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Making Paper
« on: August 10, 2006, 11:19:57 pm »
Tom and I ovserved some interesting behavior just outside of the cabin backdoor. A swarm of Bald Faced Hornets had been using one of our Mountain Ash trees as a source for pulp for making paper for thier nest. Its unreal what they have done to this tree and its really, at least to me, a work of art. If this tree eventually succombs to this behavior, I plan on getting it for some sort of project.  Below are some photos and also a link to a movie I made. I was right in with them. Something I would not usually do as most know that bald faced horntets stings are like getting hit with a ball bat, but this was just too cool and them honets were just too busy. :)
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Re: Making Paper
« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2006, 11:33:23 am »
  Jeff , I have seen that here a few times , they had some pin cherry looking awfully like that ...  you sure that is mountain ash in the pic  ???
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Re: Making Paper
« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2006, 11:48:58 am »
Absolutely. We planted it. It was innitially damaged when one of the boys up to the cabin shot it with a pistol. We staked it up and tied it off and it strengthened and started growing like heck. If you look at the one pic, you can make out the tell-tail orange clusters of fruit from the tree.
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Re: Making Paper
« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2006, 11:55:28 am »
Here is a zoom that shows the leaves and fruit. Your right Marcel though, the trucnk strongly resembles cherry.


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Re: Making Paper
« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2006, 12:15:05 pm »
 
   It would make a nice lamp .... Standing on its branches over in the corner of the cabin behind a rocker .   ;D   
   Thats a nice tree , I am going to get me one and plant it on the farm . Do the birds like those fruits .
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Re: Making Paper
« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2006, 06:03:05 pm »
That's neat, where's the nest Jeff?

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Re: Making Paper
« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2006, 06:49:54 pm »
No clue, they were tailing off through the woods. If I go back up with Pete and Lynda this week, and they are still working that tree, I'll see if I can follow them.
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Re: Making Paper
« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2006, 07:18:13 pm »
Well doc you see I was chasing these hornets back to their nest... :D :D

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Re: Making Paper
« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2006, 08:07:42 pm »
Two of the photos sure look like sapsucker holes to me.  Hornets are for sure grabbing something there though. 
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Re: Making Paper
« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2006, 08:44:55 pm »
Could it bee they are after the sap in the tree?

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Re: Making Paper
« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2006, 08:55:22 pm »
We were right in close enough to see the wasps clipping out the bark with their front mandibles. There were also other bees there getting sap, but the hornets were harvesting the bark. I couldnt capture it with the camera, although I tried and tried.
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Re: Making Paper
« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2006, 08:56:56 pm »
I'm sure they were using the sap, but, I think they were also collecting fiber.  These holes are square, not the round hole of a pecking bird.  The hornets were industriously working in the new squares and the squares seemed to be getting bigger.  I think that is the fiber that they are making their nest from.
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« Reply #12 on: August 11, 2006, 09:25:02 pm »
I got stung on the leg by one a few yrs ago when I was playin in the woods with my cousin, and it left a huge welt on my leg.  Lately been seein mud wasps here, building long tubes and stocking them with spiders to feed their larvae. It's pretty amazing how big some of the spiders are.

I got stung by a regular wasp the other day and the swelling was pretty bad but finally going down today.  I got stung on the eyelid last summer and almost no reaction, so I think I might be developing an allergy to them :-\
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Re: Making Paper
« Reply #13 on: August 11, 2006, 09:46:18 pm »
My last house I put up a western red cedar fence around a firewood shed and compost bins, 1" X 6" in 6' lengths.  On the West and South side, (maybe because they were the warmest or most dry,) wasps of some sort came in and peeled off layer after layer of fiber for nests.  The fencing was rough sawed and eventually looked planed.  Probably took off a 1/4 inch over the course of 12 to 14 years.
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Re: Making Paper
« Reply #14 on: August 12, 2006, 10:41:04 am »
The place you'll find that nest will be along the edge of a thicket, where the sun can hit it part of the day. I was thinning a couple years ago and I almost stuck my face in one of their nests and with that Stihl in hand and harnessed to me, you outta have seen a fella swatting hornets and trying to get that quick release (yeah right) undone.  ::) I was lucky with the face shield they never got at my face and I don't think they even stung me, as I was swatting to beat the devil.  :D But, they didn't want me any closer than 100 feet from that nest. I remember that a skunk or some other night prowler must have got them, because the nest was in shreds a couple days after and everything was calm again. ;D

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« Reply #15 on: August 12, 2006, 04:16:11 pm »
Christmas tree farms are havens for hornets and other stinging creatures  :o
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« Reply #16 on: August 12, 2006, 04:34:58 pm »
.....and choke cherry patches along line fences, where my mother always sent me into the abiss for cherries to be used in her jelly.  ::)

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« Reply #17 on: August 12, 2006, 04:52:45 pm »
Christmas tree farms are havens for hornets and other stinging creatures  :o

Any idea why that would be?   ::) ???
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« Reply #18 on: August 12, 2006, 05:17:32 pm »
I dunno beenthere, but I find them alot in fir thickets also. Can't really say they have an affinity to fir trees. I beleive it's more likely you run into them more often in those situations because you are covering almost every square inch of your ground weather it's pruning Christmas trees are spacing fir and spruce stands for future logs. Sometimes the blasted things will let me walk by them, and I won't notice them, when hanging ribbons and as soon as the brush saw operators come by, they attack. So I get blamed for not marking the nest, even though I never seen the nest nor got attacked. ::)

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Re: Making Paper
« Reply #19 on: August 21, 2006, 09:10:31 am »
While at the cabin I took a few more photos of the Mountain ash and Hornets. They are relentless. I didnt take the time yet to try to find the Hornet nest but I know which direction it is, and its straight through the thickest bunch of tag alders on the place. :)






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