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A Bark Eating Animal/Rodent
« on: February 16, 2012, 04:55:30 PM »
A Bark Eating Animal/Rodent
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Has anyone seen this type of damage before?
What type of animal/rodent might be causing this damage to my tree?
What can I do to stop this damage and protect the tree?

I have a mulberry tree that is having its bark eaten away by an unknown animal/rodent.
I noticed this damage on one of the limbs a little over a week ago Feb 7th. Pictures were taken on the 12th threw the 16th. 
The damage begins at a spot 6 feet from the ground where the limb is about 3Ē in diameter and extends 30Ē up the limb, as of Feb 16th.
1 to 2 square inches of bark is being removed nightly.
There is virtually no wood or bark chips on the ground under the limb, less than a teaspoon full. The chips that are there are very small less than 1/8Ē.
There is a honeysuckle vine being supported by this limb. There is no damage to the honeysuckle bark.
The bark on the mulberry tree where the honeysuckle branches touch or are in close proximity to it has not been removed.
 I have skunks and opossum in the area but Iíve never known of them too eat the bark off of trees.
The tree is located in Elverta, CA a small community in the Sacramento Valley just north of Sacramento.
 

 
 

 
 

 
 

 
 

 
 

 
 

 
 

 
 

 
 

 
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Re: A Bark Eating Animal/Rodent
« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2012, 04:58:09 PM »
Porcupine is my guess.

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Re: A Bark Eating Animal/Rodent
« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2012, 05:16:43 PM »
Man..That sucker was hungry!
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Re: A Bark Eating Animal/Rodent
« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2012, 05:22:27 PM »
Could it be a BEAVER with a LADDER?  I've never seen anything like this.

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This was on the Internet:
Garden pests often sneak in at night, making it difficult to identify the culprit. Many kinds of wild animals feed on the bark of trees, including fruitless mulberry. The primary bark-eating offenders are mice, voles, rabbits, squirrels and deer.

Read more: What Eats the Bark Off a Mulberry Tree? | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/info_8612615_eats-off-fruitless-mulberry-tree.html#ixzz1maQ5cQ4K
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Re: A Bark Eating Animal/Rodent
« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2012, 05:27:17 PM »
I'd say porcupine also .

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Re: A Bark Eating Animal/Rodent
« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2012, 05:31:31 PM »
Definately porcupine!
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Re: A Bark Eating Animal/Rodent
« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2012, 05:39:35 PM »
Sure looks like a porcupine was feasting on that tree.
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Re: A Bark Eating Animal/Rodent
« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2012, 06:12:10 PM »
Yup I'd say a Porky.
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« Reply #8 on: February 16, 2012, 06:14:35 PM »
yup pig pine used to be a bounty on them when i was a kid. $.50 fot there feet. my mom worked for the town so she paid the bounty. she would never look in the paper bag to see if they were there or not. most were killed by hitting them in the nose with whatever they had

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Re: A Bark Eating Animal/Rodent
« Reply #9 on: February 16, 2012, 10:42:04 PM »
Only thing I could add is it's a fat porcupine  :-\.

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Re: A Bark Eating Animal/Rodent
« Reply #10 on: February 16, 2012, 10:45:00 PM »
It would probably fry up good.  That is amazing.  I am glad that we do not have them in the deep south, but, we do have our share of noxious critters, though.
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Re: A Bark Eating Animal/Rodent
« Reply #11 on: February 17, 2012, 12:01:29 AM »
Could it be a BEAVER with a LADDER?  I've never seen anything like this.

Are you testing a new De-Barker for Woodmizer?  :D

Very funny POSTONT40HD you even got a good chuckle from Mama on that one. She wants to know ďwhere would a beaver get a ladder?Ē
Do you think that if I called Woodmizer that they might be interested in a bark powered de-barker? Not only de-barks but also removes it from the area with little to no clean up. 
Iíve been using an axe to remove bark then pushing it onto the landing and driving the dozer over it to finish busting it up and grind it into the dirt.

Well it looks like the consensus is that my mystery animal is a porcupine. Although Iíve lived in this area for over 40 years and have never seen or heard of any sightings of them here doesnít mean that they are not here. Maybe all the urban sprawl and development thatís been going on around the area is pushing them my way. I just donít understand why they have to build housing tracks & shopping centers on prime farm land.
Anyway back to my mulberry tree, I called the county wildlife department and left a message. Iím now waiting for a call back sometime tomorrow from Trapper Steve, hoping that he can shed some more light on the subject.
Thank you all for your responses, now Iíll probably spend the rest of my evening surfing the web looking for any thing and every thing to do with porcupines. And of course catch up on the posts in the forestry forum.
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Re: A Bark Eating Animal/Rodent
« Reply #12 on: February 17, 2012, 02:58:12 AM »
BBM, in 38 years of living here (my entire life) I've seen exactly 2 live porcupines, but have seen the damage they do to trees.  I always knew they were around you just never see them.

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Re: A Bark Eating Animal/Rodent
« Reply #13 on: February 17, 2012, 09:00:51 AM »
I've seen a few trees like that. I have no idea where the tree is meaning in town so you can't shoot it. By the looks he is not living too far away. Check it quite often through the day,you might catch him up there. I've killed a few up a tree before. But I think a fence around it MIGHT slow it down. They are a kinda slow moving animal I can caught up to them with a club to hit them on the nose. I have used just about every tool or rocks to kill them things. No chainsaw yet though.
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Re: A Bark Eating Animal/Rodent
« Reply #14 on: February 17, 2012, 09:16:00 AM »
I'm glad that we don't have Porkys, because somebody would surely be trying gumbo.   :-\  Yuck !!!
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« Reply #15 on: February 17, 2012, 09:18:58 AM »
I'm glad that we don't have Porkys, because somebody would surely be trying gumbo.   :-\  Yuck !!!

You know that's right Magicman. I bet they'd taste better than beaver or raccoon though.

I always liked having porcupines around up North. Always made me smile when I'd see them waddling around. Not so much if your dog got a nose full of quills or if they stripped your yard tree of its bark, but an interesting animal.

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« Reply #16 on: February 17, 2012, 09:22:33 AM »
Them thing will damage trees. I've seem them climb out on red oak limbs and chew the limb off so the branch and acorns would hit the ground. He hit the ground too when I got done with him.
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« Reply #17 on: February 17, 2012, 09:28:34 AM »
Here, most people shoot them on sight.

They do damage a lot of good timber.

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« Reply #18 on: February 17, 2012, 09:37:31 AM »
I saw a certain wanna be Yooper jump outta my truck and chase a porky through the woods to get a picture  :D :D :D

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« Reply #19 on: February 17, 2012, 04:32:03 PM »
  We have a camp near the alleghenny national forest that we had to cover with metal because the porcys were eating the siding right down to the studs.  Not allowed to shoot any animals in Pa that doesn't have a season for hunting!

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« Reply #20 on: February 17, 2012, 04:37:37 PM »
  We have a camp near the alleghenny national forest that we had to cover with metal because the porcys were eating the siding right down to the studs.  Not allowed to shoot any animals in Pa that doesn't have a season for hunting!

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Very funny POSTONT40HD you even got a good chuckle from Mama on that one. She wants to know ďwhere would a beaver get a ladder?Ē
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« Reply #22 on: February 17, 2012, 04:48:42 PM »
  Shotgun-   Ya t1-11   Must be salty,  they love the stuff

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« Reply #23 on: February 17, 2012, 04:51:41 PM »
I had a dog do that to the bottom of a cypress tree one time.  He totally girdled the tree. >:(

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« Reply #24 on: February 17, 2012, 04:52:46 PM »
If you have a trail camera put it in the tree and post pics.   ;D

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« Reply #25 on: February 17, 2012, 04:54:48 PM »
I finally had to cover mine with 1/4 inch mesh, the only wat to protect it that I knew of.  I think it's the glue.  It might be a karma thing with me though.  I've killed a number of  porcupines. Yes, even chain saws work on them.
 
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« Reply #26 on: February 17, 2012, 05:07:47 PM »
When I was in Alaska we went to my cousins cabin on a lake that was only accessible by boat down a river, all the vehicles were left in a parking lot and surrounded by little fences to keep the porkies from chewing all the belts and hoses off them. At first I thought they were just pulling my leg but apparently they have quite a taste for rubber also.

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« Reply #27 on: February 17, 2012, 06:19:50 PM »
 Back in the days when our public parks still had wooden outhouses the Porkys would chew the seats out of them. Ya had to be sure and look before stepping in because the floor might be gone as well.

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« Reply #28 on: February 17, 2012, 07:45:20 PM »
I catch all kinds of critters in a box trap , there just looking for a free meal like some people I now :D I mark them and bring them out a mile or so (loging road) and let them go . if they come back well. ill bring them 2 miles out  :D :D I give everything and people too a second chance, but then look out :D :D. just buy a have a hart trap bait it and in the morning throw a blanket over the trap put in the truck and go for a ride, but if theres someone in town you dont like then let the thing go in there yard :D :D :D :D :D :D ;D ;D
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« Reply #29 on: February 17, 2012, 10:59:23 PM »
I do that to Peter.  I have a box trap at my chicken pen.  I have caught over 30 opossums in 3 months.  I don't have the heart to shoot them so I take them about 3 miles down the road and let them go.

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« Reply #30 on: February 18, 2012, 07:47:55 AM »
The blanket works to keep skunks from spraying.  just talk nice to them to keep them from getting excited while placing the blanket.
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« Reply #31 on: February 18, 2012, 07:51:34 AM »
Tie a rope to the trap handle and drop it in the pond.  5 minutes later pull it up and your problem is solved.
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« Reply #32 on: February 18, 2012, 07:55:14 AM »
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« Reply #33 on: February 18, 2012, 09:04:51 AM »
I do that to Peter.  I have a box trap at my chicken pen.  I have caught over 30 opossums in 3 months.  I don't have the heart to shoot them so I take them about 3 miles down the road and let them go.

Good for you Bogue Chitto.That's real nice of you.  :) My wife tells me to shoot the possums. I won't. They don't hurt anything, they haven't done anything to me, and I don't particularly care to eat them so they don't meet the criteria for me to shoot them.

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« Reply #34 on: February 18, 2012, 09:08:49 AM »
My problem is armadillos and they tear up the yard big time.  I have not had one to be able to swim inside of that trap yet.  Skunks either and they do not smell.  Just dump them out.
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« Reply #35 on: February 18, 2012, 09:15:10 AM »
Yep, them armadillos will root the yard good. Now armadillos supposedly make good table fare down in Mexico. I'd try it but I don't wanna clean it. I'd even try porcupine.

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« Reply #36 on: February 18, 2012, 09:19:55 AM »
Armadillo on the half shell, possum in the pot, some folks are just picky.  Me, I wouldn't eat either one.
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« Reply #37 on: February 18, 2012, 09:25:02 AM »
Oh come on now Texas Ranger. I bet some of these Louisiana folks could make you a armadillo or possum sauce picante that'd have you licking your chops. (Notice how food worked it's way in this thread?)

I ordered some blackened gator the other day. Delicious. Wife put a piece in her mouth and wrinkles her nose. It was a total mind thing because it tasted like blackened chicken. 

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« Reply #38 on: February 18, 2012, 09:37:13 AM »
Problem is, armadillo can actually carry and transmit leprosy to humans.  Particularly if eaten.  And possum, just a nasty critter.  Leprosy shows up now and then in Louisiana. 

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« Reply #39 on: February 18, 2012, 10:34:44 AM »
You know ...I remember now Andrew Zimmern mentioning that when he did the armadillo show down in Mexico.

Mystery meat ....nice.... from now on when I order gumbo, picture me picking through it with the spoon looking at those chunks of meat with speculation. Hmmmm ...... ;)

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« Reply #40 on: February 18, 2012, 10:43:28 AM »
You are not 'sposed to look at what is in good gumbo.   :o   And everyone knows full well that only edible stuff is used.   :D
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« Reply #41 on: February 18, 2012, 12:20:42 PM »
Just the same I think I'll make my own gumbo from now on, thank you.  ;D

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« Reply #42 on: February 18, 2012, 12:54:01 PM »
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« Reply #43 on: February 18, 2012, 01:41:44 PM »
Actually it is usually during the Summer and the water is warm.   :)

Seriously, armadillos, etc. have no predators to control their population.  Sometimes country folks have to do what country folks have to do, and after all, buzzards gotta eat too.
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« Reply #44 on: February 18, 2012, 02:09:12 PM »
Stick/pig where are the pic's of the little bugger at work !! and then on the dinner plate !!

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« Reply #45 on: February 18, 2012, 05:01:09 PM »
Actually it is usually during the Summer and the water is warm.   :)

Seriously, armadillos, etc. have no predators to control their population.  Sometimes country folks have to do what country folks have to do, and after all, buzzards gotta eat too.
That's odd, guess I didn't know buzzards liked gumbo, hmmmm.....  :D

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« Reply #46 on: February 18, 2012, 05:22:48 PM »
After a good day's sawing I know someone that might smell like a buzzard, but then, I don't think that I have actually smelled a buzzard.

You scared me for a moment there sandhills.  I thought that we were going to have buzzard gumbo.   :o :o 
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« Reply #47 on: February 18, 2012, 07:04:32 PM »
  We have a camp near the alleghenny national forest that we had to cover with metal because the porcys were eating the siding right down to the studs.  Not allowed to shoot any animals in Pa that doesn't have a season for hunting!

PA does have a season for porcys and it's in now, shoot 6 per day! Even before the season you could shoot one that was damaging your building.
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« Reply #48 on: February 27, 2017, 12:47:59 AM »
I all most forgot about this post so just to catch you guys up the bark eater has been caught and was eaten. The critter, believe it or not, was a field mouse or vole. My hunter cat Fuzzy caught, tortured, and ate him.
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« Reply #49 on: February 27, 2017, 01:11:11 PM »
The critter, believe it or not, was a field mouse or vole.

Truth be told, I have a hard time believing a mouse or vole could do that much damage to a tree.  (I had to look up vole--I've never seen one.) 

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« Reply #50 on: February 27, 2017, 01:26:50 PM »
Porky will strip the bark off most any tree, even bitter pin cherry. Bleck. :D

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« Reply #51 on: February 27, 2017, 01:29:49 PM »
The critter, believe it or not, was a field mouse or vole.

Voles will damage raspberry, blackberry and mulberry. That seems like a lot of chewing there for a little vole. They are generally base of the stem type feeders though, not up in the limbs. Musta been coming back a lot of times.  ;D

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« Reply #52 on: February 27, 2017, 01:56:05 PM »
That certainly in not vole. He may have been seen up there after the fact for a nibble, but the original culprit was certainly a porcupine.
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« Reply #53 on: February 27, 2017, 04:13:05 PM »
Porkys have been very scarce in CA for some time.  I'd guess ground squirrel or tree squirrel.  Look at the size of the teeth marks.  Mice are about as wide as a pencil line, squirrels about as wide as a crayon line. That's a lot of damage for a mouse but a squirrel could do that in a few days.

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« Reply #54 on: February 27, 2017, 05:38:11 PM »
+1 on scarce Porkies.  I've been "in the country" in northern California (not far from the OP) for nearly 30 years and have never seen nor heard of any encounters.  We've had a number of dogs that tangled with skunks, mice, gophers and voles but never porkies.

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« Reply #55 on: February 27, 2017, 05:53:05 PM »
Well, I'd bet there was at least one 5 years ago.
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« Reply #56 on: February 28, 2017, 01:49:37 AM »
Well I guess I have some explaining to do.  First off the tree is a mulberry tree located at my winter residence in Elverta CA., a small farming community about 15 miles north of down town Sacramento. I live here in the winter time because my unincorporated Nevada City property is inaccessible in the winter time.
There was 3 to 4 square inches of bark was being removed from the tree nightly over a period of approximately 8 to 12 weeks. If this was porky then he was most certainly a light eater.
The teeth marks left in the bark are less than a 16th of an inch wide much too small to be a porcupine tooth.
I have spoken with Trapper John from Sacramento County wild life management and he assured me that there are no porcupines in this area.
My primary reason for believing that it was a mouse eating the bark is because after I seen Fuzzy jumping out of the tree with a mouse in his mouth there was no more damage done to the tree. Of course Fuzzy wasnít about to let me close enough to inspect his catch to find out what type of mouse it was. He was probably afraid that I might take it away from him. Iím assuming that it was ether a field mouse or a vole.
Yes I to find it hard to believe that a mouse can do this much damage to a tree.
Anyway that particular branch of this tree has long since died and is now being used as a trellis for a Honey Suckle bush.
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« Reply #57 on: February 28, 2017, 05:21:57 AM »
That does spell out the situation much better now. ;)

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« Reply #58 on: March 22, 2017, 11:19:16 PM »
This is a pic of a squirrel I caught stripping a tree in January of last year![imgleft]http://[imgleft]

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« Reply #59 on: March 22, 2017, 11:23:51 PM »
I too thought it was a porcupine, but had never seen one in our area! I only seen this behavior last winter![imgleft]http:///imgleft]

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« Reply #60 on: March 23, 2017, 04:45:07 AM »
I've seen red squirrels debark small patches in spring time on hard maple and come back to it to lick the sap. Right now I have a porcupine though, that is mostly targeting hard maple and stripping the main stems. He is also in the larch and also a fir here and there. He completely girdled a 20" yellow birch. He's got to go I'm afraid. I have been trying to locate his den with him in it. ;D

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« Reply #61 on: March 23, 2017, 07:10:37 AM »
Michigander53, I've never seen anything like that, and wouldn't have believed it without the photo.   :o
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« Reply #62 on: March 23, 2017, 10:02:00 AM »
Nothing to gauge it's size,but looks big next to a Maine gray squirrel. I think a grey one in no longer than a foot.And saying that,the ones around here are always on the back side of a tree.
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« Reply #63 on: March 23, 2017, 07:19:42 PM »
the chips on the ground are way to big for a squirrel I would put money on a pork pine

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« Reply #64 on: March 24, 2017, 07:58:15 AM »
This is reminding me of a topic from long ago called "Making Paper" < LINK  where on first observation, one would think the sap suckers flying in and out had pecked up a tree very bad, but until you actually new the truth, that it was wasps harvesting bark and the sapsucker visits incidental.   I'm betting the squirrel was the secondary visitor, just like the sapsuckers in the aforementioned topic. There are definitely porkies in the Frankenmuth area.  If you have woods in Michigan, it is possible of not likely you have porcupines.

I still clearly remember the day Mr. Tom and I discovered this going on and I got in there to document it. The section of tree is now in my little cabin in the back yard.








 
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« Reply #65 on: March 24, 2017, 01:42:18 PM »
jeff did you ever find the nest

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« Reply #66 on: March 24, 2017, 09:44:54 PM »
Not as I recall.
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« Reply #67 on: December 22, 2017, 10:13:31 AM »
Dead gum that feller is hungry, or that is a mighty sweet tree.   Might want to put a trail cam. on that and post it. 

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    I found this on You Tube about a squirrel stripping a tree!


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