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Putting together a 25995 under CDL single axle Log Truck.
« on: October 25, 2016, 11:21:03 AM »
Had a chance to pick up this 2005 Int 4300 cab and chassis with 95000 miles on it.  So it will replace my 25 year old Ford CF7000 that has served me well. The Ford had a flat bed so I added bolt on bunks. This one will have a regular log bed. My Son-in-law and I were able to get a lot of the bed built last weekend. The bed should weigh about 1900 lbs and should bring the truck in at about 11000 lbs.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 
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Re: Putting together a 25995 under CDL single axle Log Truck.
« Reply #1 on: October 25, 2016, 01:07:47 PM »
 Nice looking job, be a handy sized truck. About 1800bdft to a load ? We built a truck about 5yrs ago and you can make a nice truck for 1/2 what they want for one up in NY.

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Re: Putting together a 25995 under CDL single axle Log Truck.
« Reply #2 on: October 25, 2016, 02:09:10 PM »
Hydraulic brakes?  If I remember right, something with air brakes requires a CDL, right?  No matter the GVW?
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Re: Putting together a 25995 under CDL single axle Log Truck.
« Reply #3 on: October 25, 2016, 04:20:09 PM »
No cdl required as long as it's under 26,001 pounds. If you pull a 1 ton truck with a 10 ton trailer and hauling commercially you will need a cdl. This combination doesn't have air brakes. I use a one ton and a dual tandem trailer and no cdl but I fall into the farmer and 150 miles from home.
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Re: Putting together a 25995 under CDL single axle Log Truck.
« Reply #4 on: October 25, 2016, 08:31:39 PM »
The new truck does have hydraulic brakes. They are disk all the way around. The CF 7000 has air brakes.  Both trucks are under 26001.

As I understand the Regs and have been assured by the PUCO, which is the DOT in Ohio. No CDL required if truck is under 26001 and is not pulling a trailer with a GVW of more than 10000. If you fall into that category, breaking system does not matter.
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« Reply #5 on: October 25, 2016, 09:11:26 PM »
The trailer can be over 10k lbs you just can't exceed 26000lbs combined.  In Maine at least, but I thought this was all federally established and therefore the same?
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Re: Putting together a 25995 under CDL single axle Log Truck.
« Reply #6 on: October 25, 2016, 10:50:25 PM »
The trailer can be over 10k lbs you just can't exceed 26000lbs combined.  In Maine at least, but I thought this was all federally established and therefore the same?

Federal Dot laws state that the cdl becomes necessary at 26001 on the truck or 10001 on the trailer. Not 26001 combined. You can pull a 10k gvw trailer with a 26k gvw truck. You cannot however pull a 10001 gvw trailer without a cdl. Even if you pull it with a Ford Ranger and the trailer is empty. I spent out a little north of $1700 on this mistake last year. I was pulling my 14k trailer with my F250 with a gvw of 8600. I was loaded only with my stump grinder which weighs in at 1200.
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Re: Putting together a 25995 under CDL single axle Log Truck.
« Reply #7 on: October 25, 2016, 10:58:39 PM »

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Re: Putting together a 25995 under CDL single axle Log Truck.
« Reply #8 on: October 25, 2016, 11:51:06 PM »
You don't need a CDL for a trailer over 10000 pounds everywhere.

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Re: Putting together a 25995 under CDL single axle Log Truck.
« Reply #9 on: October 25, 2016, 11:52:56 PM »
By the way to the OP that "log truck" is very nice. Looks like it will be a great rig. What engine and tranny does it have?
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Re: Putting together a 25995 under CDL single axle Log Truck.
« Reply #10 on: October 26, 2016, 12:18:02 AM »
This is from the Federal CDL Manual.

You must have a CDL to operate:
Any single vehicle with a gross vehicle weight
rating (GVWR) of 26,001 pounds or more.
A combination vehicle with a gross combination
weight rating of 26,001 or more pounds, if the
trailer(s) has a GVWR of 10,001 or more pounds.
A vehicle designed to transport 16 or more
passengers (including the driver).
Any size vehicle which requires hazardous
material placards or is carrying material listed as
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Re: Putting together a 25995 under CDL single axle Log Truck.
« Reply #11 on: October 26, 2016, 08:20:24 AM »
The trailer can be over 10k lbs you just can't exceed 26000lbs combined.  In Maine at least, but I thought this was all federally established and therefore the same?

Federal Dot laws state that the cdl becomes necessary at 26001 on the truck or 10001 on the trailer. Not 26001 combined. You can pull a 10k gvw trailer with a 26k gvw truck. You cannot however pull a 10001 gvw trailer without a cdl. Even if you pull it with a Ford Ranger and the trailer is empty. I spent out a little north of $1700 on this mistake last year. I was pulling my 14k trailer with my F250 with a gvw of 8600. I was loaded only with my stump grinder which weighs in at 1200.
that's strange must be a state thing. A lot of the utility companies around here have class b cdl. Say they drive the large digger truck that weighs 46,000 but pull the pole trailer which weighs around 4,000. You only need a class b for that one since the trailer isn't over 10,001. I pulled a 14,000 lb gooseneck with a one ton dodge which was 11,200 and I was still under the 26k. I didn't need a cdl.
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« Reply #12 on: October 26, 2016, 10:15:49 AM »
By the way to the OP that "log truck" is very nice. Looks like it will be a great rig. What engine and tranny does it have?

Both trucks have the same transmission. Eaton 6 speed. The International has a 225 hp DT 466   and the Ford has a 170 hp 6.6 ford engine.
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« Reply #13 on: October 26, 2016, 10:33:52 AM »
I really like the 466 and the other variants. I've been looking for a single axle international with a 530 manual pump for awhile. Seem to be fairly rare.
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« Reply #14 on: October 26, 2016, 10:34:02 AM »
Bill, is that 6x6 tube for the bunks? .250 wall?
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« Reply #15 on: October 26, 2016, 10:50:25 AM »
Wow you have a good eye. It is 6 by 6 .250.  Bunks are 60 inches high. Will be adding gussets. They are cutout just not installed yet .
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« Reply #16 on: October 26, 2016, 05:16:07 PM »
There are two seperate loggers here, well actually one as one is shutting down his operation, that uses similar trucks. They have them setup to dump. The one does most of his skidding and all of his loading with a bobcat and moves a suprising amount of wood. With the dump he has fast turn around times.
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« Reply #17 on: October 28, 2016, 10:47:51 AM »
There are two seperate loggers here, well actually one as one is shutting down his operation, that uses similar trucks. They have them setup to dump. The one does most of his skidding and all of his loading with a bobcat and moves a suprising amount of wood. With the dump he has fast turn around times.

Are there any problems dumping with bunks ? Right now I use a standard dump body (smooth sided). I can haul small loads into the mill w/o being in the way, dump them quickly, and be gone. Don't bother or wait for the  loader/scaler who is usually busy with a big load. I was thinking of converting it to bunks but wondered how it would dump.

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« Reply #18 on: October 28, 2016, 03:19:05 PM »
I have a friend with a flat bed dump with bunks. He loads with small end of log forward. He has damaged the bunks a couple times with logs catching when dumping. He dumps a lot of firewood logs and some saw logs.
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« Reply #19 on: October 28, 2016, 07:22:00 PM »
Thanks Bill - I wondered about that. BTW that is a super nice truck you are building !!

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