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Re: tigercats new skidder
« Reply #60 on: December 04, 2017, 08:53:26 PM »
And which style pivots do they have?

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Re: tigercats new skidder
« Reply #61 on: December 05, 2017, 07:39:10 PM »




I have both, TJ and a small tractor (by today's standards). I do not use them every day and they are rather new to me. They both get herrrr done. I like them both but of course the tractor is not in the woods much but maneuvers like a real small tractor.

I like the oscillating frame the best because of maintenance. I am dreading replacing the cradle pins in the TJ. I think the oscillator is a simpler design and works well. The cradle has designed in travel limits. It is easier to design the travel snubbers into it.






OK, I have two oscillators.
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Re: tigercats new skidder
« Reply #62 on: February 23, 2018, 01:59:46 PM »
I go to the tigercat plant the week of the 25th to see the new 602 cable ,its to be ready to drive then
ehp, just wondering if you ever did end up checking out the 602 cable, and if so what your thoughts were. Anyone else get any closer to seeing one run or getting a quote?
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Re: tigercats new skidder
« Reply #63 on: February 23, 2018, 03:04:57 PM »
I go to the tigercat plant the week of the 25th to see the new 602 cable ,its to be ready to drive then
ehp, just wondering if you ever did end up checking out the 602 cable, and if so what your thoughts were. Anyone else get any closer to seeing one run or getting a quote?
FYI, first post here, long lingerer...
Likewise, interested in a report on the 602.
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Re: tigercats new skidder
« Reply #64 on: February 23, 2018, 06:31:37 PM »
Ya I went up and seen the 602, they also had 2 others being built and sounds like lots of interest in this skidder

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Re: tigercats new skidder
« Reply #65 on: February 23, 2018, 07:12:20 PM »
think their about $250,000 USA for a new one , compared to the older skidder their a good size but I guess small by todays standard , their a lot bigger than my old 230A and I mean a lot . Im pretty sure for around here I would be running 28 L on it for tires instead of the 23.1. Quite abit of weight on the front axle and Im sure would find you every sink hole in the bush with the smaller tires

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Re: tigercats new skidder
« Reply #66 on: February 23, 2018, 09:55:37 PM »
250k for a "smallish" skidder is still a lot more than most uf us people can pay!

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Re: tigercats new skidder
« Reply #67 on: February 23, 2018, 10:08:27 PM »
 ya but I priced a 648 L last spring and $316,000 plus 13% tax was the price for it , just way way to big of a machine to log in my area , by-law would not even let you drive that in the bush here

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Re: tigercats new skidder
« Reply #68 on: February 24, 2018, 08:27:55 AM »
Thanks for the feedback, ehp.

Teakwood, I agree, its hard to justify. Here in the Maritime Provinces we just don't have the quality wood to run one steady and make the payments. Without driving your woodlots into the ground, you'd have to be into a prime run of wood.

Interesting considering they're installing crane loaders on these in Europe already. Says a lot of the quality of wood and wood prices that they've got over there compared to ours here (NB, NS, at least).

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Re: tigercats new skidder
« Reply #69 on: February 24, 2018, 08:44:19 AM »
Europe is completely different, they have requirements we don't have in the states. Plus when you don't have to ship like a harvester over or a crane on the slow boat through a distributor it makes a huge difference in price. 250 for the size the machine is isn't bad at all but being a cable machine I don't see one selling the PNW unless someone buys it to anchor with for tethering a CTL setup. This last year I've been around a few guys from Rottne Sweden they've never seen our setups for a swinging grapple till they were out here they said they were amazed at how much heavier it was compared to the crane setups they use, when you're handing the lighter smaller wood they have their it makes sense.

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Re: tigercats new skidder
« Reply #70 on: February 24, 2018, 09:32:20 AM »
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Supporting payments on a $400,000 + skidder in selection treatments is no simple task.

I suspect that there are a number of timber groups made up of investors who arent trying to generate cash from timber, but tax deductions for wealth already created.  You cant just make your fortune and park it in the bank, you have to continually expand into new expenses if you want to keep last years income.  When the depreciation table is used up on those assets you buy new or buy more or expand into a new market all over.  Not exactly the same, but Its why mobsters buy construction companies, hotels, bars, nightclubs.  To launder illegal income and generate "losses" to keep it.  

Unfortunately, the rich kids playing in the woods skews the cost scale on the poor kids trying to play in the woods too.  

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Re: tigercats new skidder
« Reply #71 on: February 24, 2018, 04:05:16 PM »
Mike your going to need to get one this year for a rightoff  :D

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Re: tigercats new skidder
« Reply #72 on: February 24, 2018, 04:21:29 PM »
It would be right to have the writeoff. 
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Re: tigercats new skidder
« Reply #73 on: February 24, 2018, 06:25:36 PM »
If i wrote off one forestry tire theyd send me an earned income credit.  


Regardless, i will take a rightoff over a leftoff any day.
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Re: tigercats new skidder
« Reply #74 on: February 24, 2018, 07:43:20 PM »
Man what a beautiful looking rig.  i use a kubota tractor, logging winch and a logging trailer but it has it's limitations. I bought a backhoe attachment so i can make better roads.  I want to buy my own woodlot because I am putting to much time into building roads for somebody else. Guess if I had that skidder I wouldn't have to build roads. 
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Re: tigercats new skidder
« Reply #75 on: February 24, 2018, 08:12:55 PM »
Yes and no, anytime you can make your turns are short and as fast as possible the production you can do but rock costs a lot of money.

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Re: tigercats new skidder
« Reply #76 on: February 24, 2018, 11:49:26 PM »
Dude rock has gone waaay up in the last 2 years here.  Shotrock now costs what 1.5" minus used to.  I honestly believe its cheaper to put down geotextile at this point.  I have a section of rock on clay 12" thick thats not as solid as the patch with barely three inches of 3minus over fabric.  The stuff is a miracle. $500 a roll. 
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Re: tigercats new skidder
« Reply #77 on: February 25, 2018, 07:51:51 AM »
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Thanks for the feedback, ehp.

Teakwood, I agree, its hard to justify. Here in the Maritime Provinces we just don't have the quality wood to run one steady and make the payments. Without driving your woodlots into the ground, you'd have to be into a prime run of wood.

Interesting considering they're installing crane loaders on these in Europe already. Says a lot of the quality of wood and wood prices that they've got over there compared to ours here (NB, NS, at least).

Tigercat DWC602 preview - YouTube .

Supporting payments on a $400,000 + skidder in selection treatments is no simple task.


Thats a nice machine, the perfect combination i would need. The video is just rubbish, no close up details, who cares about 10 birdviews, i get it, the guy loves his drone but the video is just bad.

the prices in europe aren't any different than in America unless you have oak. I can't opinion about the rest of europe but in Switzerland the wages are just so high that any price on a machine is justified. The absolute minimal wage for a woodworker is starting at 4500$/month and that is right after apprenticeship at the age of 20. after that it just goes up and up.

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Re: tigercats new skidder
« Reply #78 on: February 25, 2018, 08:56:43 AM »
Aha!  So that explains it.  Entry level logging pays $10 here.  So does equipment operator. 

About a month ago i had someone ask me to climb and top some yard trees for $8 an hour.  Said thats the goin rate.  
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« Reply #79 on: February 25, 2018, 08:58:54 AM »
8$ for such dangerous work, that's just crazy


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