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« on: October 17, 2017, 05:15:11 PM »
Hey so I'm skidder shopping and would like to know about the  c4 tree farmers. A local guy down the road from me has a tree farmer c4 that he is considering selling. It has a gas engine, four like new forestry tires and a spare gas engine to go with it. Says it doesn't have brakes but it is a really clean skidder. So are they underpowered with the gas motor? What kind of brakes did they have? I'm not sure what winch but it's not a gearmatic that I know for sure. So any knolage would be good and thanks.
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« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2017, 07:50:22 PM »
Can you still get parts for them? Are the gas  motors good?
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« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2017, 08:55:29 PM »
Nothing wrong with a C4 Treefarmer. I'm currently making one into a forwarder. I also recently purchased a C3 Treefarmer, it has a 172 Ford diesel in it. Never saw one with a gas engine in it but I'm sure it will still do the job. I converted a Timberjack 201 to a 250 chevy engine about ten years ago and it works fine, just dosen't have the torque of a diesel. The brakes are a type of band brake, not sure how good they work but any trouble and I will convert to a disk system. They are a component machine just like the old timberjacks.

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« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2017, 08:59:28 PM »
Ok this has a Ford gas engine. But your probably right it could still do the job.
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« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2017, 09:10:44 PM »
Same engine as the 172 diesel only it is a gasser. The Ford farm tractors came with them in either the gas or diesel versions. You can still get whatever parts you need. Whatever happened to that small skidder you were doing the engine for?

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« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2017, 09:15:38 PM »
That skidder from the Spring you were working on looked like it was well on its way to haul logs for years to come with all the work done to it ?

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« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2017, 09:18:52 PM »
Ok great that's good news, I sold it unfinished to a guy in ct that was going to finish it and pull firewood with it. This skidder doesn't have the gearmatic it has a different one maybe a Tulsa or Braden I'm not sure.
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« Reply #7 on: October 19, 2017, 05:55:29 AM »
How much will it cost to run a gas engine? That would be a big concern.

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« Reply #8 on: October 19, 2017, 07:37:16 AM »
I figure about $20 on average a day for fuel consumption. But I think it would be a advantage come winter being that it will start easy in cold temperatures.
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« Reply #9 on: October 20, 2017, 09:11:42 AM »
Where are the fuel tanks supposed to be on these skidders I believe this one has a boat tank strapped on the back?
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« Reply #10 on: October 20, 2017, 07:07:50 PM »
The fuel tank is in the rear frame usually under the winch, if it has a rear mount winch. The Braden is a good winch just mechanical, in my opinion better than the problematic oops I mean the gearmatic!

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« Reply #11 on: October 21, 2017, 08:02:33 AM »
Ok thanks so much bushmechanic you have been a big help so far. I too am not a fan of gearmatic I've had a few of them almost all had some sort of issue. I'm hoping to get together very soon to go look at it and maybe make a deal soon.
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« Reply #12 on: October 21, 2017, 09:23:15 AM »
I run a 1.6L ford gasser powered bobcat 742 that i brought back to life from a basketcase.  Same "7M" crossflow engine that was in the ford cortina and anglias, and formula ford racing series.  I couldnt keep the points alive for more than a few hours due to distributor wear, couldnt source a replacement, couldnt get a bushing kit or anyone to rebuild it.  Believe me i tried.  Finally discovered pertronix for a whole new electronic triggered unit for $300ish (which died in the first month and was warranteed recently) 

It runs every day but is gutless and drinks fuel like crazy, i cant keep the thing off empty.   The 743 is worlds apart and only difference is a kubota.  Id rather light a fire under my diesel in the morning than nurse my gasser all day.

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« Reply #13 on: October 21, 2017, 03:50:07 PM »
Sorry for your troubles, not sure it is the same engine though.
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« Reply #14 on: October 21, 2017, 07:57:51 PM »
If its a 172ci Gas motor then its the same as used in the 8xx series ford tractors. In a tractor working at PTO speed they burn something like 4+ gallons an hour, the same motor in diesel was right around 3 gallons per hour IIRC.

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« Reply #15 on: October 22, 2017, 09:02:57 AM »
It might be same I'm not to sure. But I feel fuel consumption would be a little less for me.
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« Reply #16 on: October 22, 2017, 09:27:59 AM »
Those motors were kind of gutless unless you have them wound up. When your winching and skidding I'm sure you will burn equally as much or more fuel than in a much smaller farm tractor.

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« Reply #17 on: October 22, 2017, 10:15:00 AM »
I'm not sure on that to be honest I'll have to ask the owner about those things. I'm only going to be skidding pole firewood for the most part and won't be working it to hard.
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« Reply #18 on: October 22, 2017, 05:16:23 PM »
  My experience with gasoline powered farm tractors is that they use more gas doing chores like loader work and moving wagons than on a steady RPM job like running a hay baler, mower, saw mill edger, planer etc.  That's what I've observed with H and M Farmalls as well as a 300, a MF 180 with a Perkins gas and others.
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« Reply #19 on: October 22, 2017, 08:08:56 PM »
I decided to walk away from that guy wanted to much money and machine needs to many repairs and seemed fishy!
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« Reply #20 on: October 22, 2017, 08:10:29 PM »
Were supposed to get together tomorrow to look at the c4 and if it's what I want mite make a deal.
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« Reply #21 on: October 22, 2017, 09:09:09 PM »
Been looking at your old posts,just how many skidders have you looked at and bought or not?You should be well versed enough in old iron to do a book. :P :P :P
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« Reply #22 on: October 23, 2017, 07:30:28 AM »
I've owned a few some I bought to fix and resell others I've bought and used for awhile. But it's good to know from others about a specific brand or model. Helps me to know about potential problems with them. This skidder was talked about briefly awhile back on here by another member here in ri.
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« Reply #23 on: October 23, 2017, 03:39:09 PM »
Well I finally got to check out the skidder, I was actually pretty surprised of the shape it was in. It was in pretty good shape for a old skidder. No major leaks, good forestry special tires. Braden winch works but was a little hard to free spool out probably do to a little surface rust on the drum. Blade and steering pins tight, center had a little play but not bad at all, cradle pins tight and engine fired right up with no abnormal noise or smoke and seemed healthy. Only thing that didn't work was the service brakes probably because they had hydraulic oil on them. Overall didn't find anything that would steer me away.
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« Reply #24 on: October 23, 2017, 04:42:40 PM »
Is there a place I can get new brake shoes for it if I buy it?
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« Reply #25 on: October 23, 2017, 07:42:30 PM »
One other thing I noticed was the rear frame seemed to be longer than a normal c4 and I didn't see any after market welding.
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« Reply #26 on: October 23, 2017, 07:45:23 PM »
Depends on what transfer case is in that machine, either a Rockwell T32 or a Cotta. You should have no trouble getting a set of shoes Aftermarket Parts or Davco will carry them.

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« Reply #27 on: October 24, 2017, 09:01:48 AM »
Well that's a plus being able to get the parts to keep her going. Just waiting now to figure out what kind of deal we can make.
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« Reply #28 on: November 06, 2017, 06:53:35 AM »
Getting real close to making a deal I sold some stuff so now I have some cash flow to put down on it plus I been busy selling firewood.
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« Reply #29 on: November 08, 2017, 08:36:28 PM »
Soooo where's our pictures of said machine???

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« Reply #30 on: November 09, 2017, 11:36:18 AM »
I'm not in possession yet I've been crazy busy with firewood sales and wood lot estimates. But hopefully by the end of the month at the latest.
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« Reply #31 on: December 25, 2017, 03:13:03 PM »
Getting really close to getting the c4 im hoping by the end of this week i can bring it home into the shop and go through it before putting it on a job.
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« Reply #32 on: December 25, 2017, 04:57:39 PM »
Glad to hear she's getting close, looking forward to pic's.

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« Reply #33 on: December 25, 2017, 07:45:43 PM »
Same here i cant upload any pics unfortunately.
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« Reply #34 on: February 02, 2018, 12:39:22 PM »
Well finally decided to buy the tree farmer now to shell out the green backs and get it home and into the shop and go through it for its first job. I think i will make out good as it comes with another motor and trans,  both need rebuild but i can have them gone through and fixed so i have replacements should something happen.
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« Reply #35 on: February 02, 2018, 05:08:01 PM »
Im excited about working with this machine and going back to work
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« Reply #36 on: February 02, 2018, 06:56:08 PM »
So is this the gasser or the one with the Ford diesel ? You looked at two different C4s   right?
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« Reply #37 on: February 03, 2018, 06:29:16 AM »
This is the older gas powered skidder, the other one sold before i could look at it.
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« Reply #38 on: February 03, 2018, 09:27:10 AM »
New machine will arrive today!
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« Reply #39 on: February 03, 2018, 10:32:04 AM »
Would anyone possibly have a parts manual for this skidder?
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« Reply #40 on: February 04, 2018, 07:10:09 AM »
I don't think you will be sorry with that machine. If your not happy with the engine you can always swap it for something else. A 172 Ford diesel will be a direct replacement for the gasser. I would love to have a parts manual for my C4B that I'm building into a forwarder, but it probably wouldn't be much good as there aren't much on it original equipment. :D I have a C3B that I've yet to try out also

 

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« Reply #41 on: February 04, 2018, 07:17:13 AM »
Do you have any kind of digital camera or cell phone?
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« Reply #42 on: February 04, 2018, 07:42:19 AM »
Wow didn't know they made a c3! Im sure ill be asking lots of questions on it. Its actually still very much a original skidder and its in surprisingly tight shape. One thing i did notice is that it steers very slow. The blade is working as it should with no issues. A guy told me that it has some sort of valve that you can switch to make it less twitchy when at high speed so ill have to look for that after i give it a good degreasing and power wash.  Yes i do have a cell phone but this site will not let me down load pics .
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« Reply #43 on: February 04, 2018, 08:30:41 AM »
The valve is located on the left side of the machine almost underneath the radiator. It looks like a flow divider to me and I think it was supposed to be controlled from the dash by cable.

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Yup i found it and flipped it the other way im learning lots!
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« Reply #45 on: February 04, 2018, 09:24:37 AM »
If yours is kaput, any adustable flow control will work, plumbed into either the A or B steer port in series, as long as its a 2 way restrictor and not a one way.   

If you were using one ways youd need one in each port.  Id mount in cab where i could reach from seat.

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« Reply #46 on: February 04, 2018, 12:36:11 PM »
I think this is your gallery.

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Then click on "upload". Sometimes it is easier for someone to answer a question if there is a photo.
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« Reply #47 on: February 04, 2018, 04:59:54 PM »
I found the valve and moved it to the other position.  I haven't got to try it yet i have to replace the boat tank on it first to get the fuel delivery system fixed so i can run it.

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« Reply #51 on: February 04, 2018, 06:08:11 PM »
Make sure you get that rats nest cleaned out in the belly pan.  :o
Pretty straight forward looking skidder, good luck with it.  :)
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« Reply #52 on: February 04, 2018, 06:33:08 PM »
Its going to get a full powerwashing/degreasing!
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« Reply #53 on: February 04, 2018, 06:41:59 PM »
Ooooooh I see you have the pic problem figured out! That's a good looking machine for the year of it. I guess the G in the model number stands for gas :D I see the cable is still hooked up to that valve is it up in the dash or gone? I think the rear looks longer than normal because the winch is mounted so far ahead on the rear frame. Are the floor boards still in it? If you don't mind I'd like to see a pic of them as on both my Farmer's they are missing and I'd like to make some new ones.

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« Reply #54 on: February 04, 2018, 07:19:11 PM »
That is a nice machine! Thanks for the photos.   ;D
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« Reply #55 on: February 04, 2018, 07:23:35 PM »
Your welcome. Its not a standard c4 its a long frame one btw only one ive seen.
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« Reply #56 on: February 05, 2018, 05:18:49 PM »
Well guys after putting on a new tank and filter and figuring how to start it, operator error also. I brought it outside to power wash it after i had flipped the lever and yup sure enough that made a huge difference!
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« Reply #57 on: February 05, 2018, 06:16:06 PM »
Now on to getting the brakes to work tomorrow. Hopefully i wont need any parts other than the shoes. Does anyone know where i can get them?
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« Reply #60 on: February 06, 2018, 06:46:36 AM »
They sure always look like total different machines after being pressure washed!  :D

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« Reply #61 on: February 06, 2018, 07:01:51 AM »
Good on you logman.I hope you and that skidder work well together.Doesn't look like it's been hacked on.
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« Reply #62 on: February 06, 2018, 07:02:14 AM »
Yup they sure do!
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« Reply #63 on: February 06, 2018, 07:04:24 AM »
No it hasnt been be cobbled together at all one of nicest old skidders ive seen and owned.
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« Reply #64 on: February 06, 2018, 10:02:18 AM »
Nice find
That  machine has not been abused with a paint job it would look like it just came off the assembly line, which incidentally was located 25 miles from where I reside.
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« Reply #65 on: February 06, 2018, 11:37:20 AM »
It would be be pretty darn close thats for sure!
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« Reply #68 on: February 06, 2018, 06:42:38 PM »
Logman81, you are a lucky man! Now that is some nice iron.   ;D
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« Reply #69 on: February 06, 2018, 08:09:43 PM »
Thank you im very eager to get it finished and back to moving wood!
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« Reply #70 on: February 07, 2018, 03:57:07 PM »
Put a new seat on it today, welded a new tab on to keep one of the side engine covers on. Started to take apart the winch and i think i figure out how to get it to free spool.
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« Reply #71 on: February 09, 2018, 08:57:38 AM »
How do i adjust the free spool on this braden winch?
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« Reply #72 on: February 09, 2018, 05:56:53 PM »
There should be a nut that you can adjust on the shaft that the snap clutch is attached to. You need to back it off for more freeplay.

 
It's the one right next to the pressure plate with the three arms on it. Wait you would have to unscrew it to get the disc's out, have you taken the disc's out and cleaned them up? If it's not free spooling then I would say our friction disc's and plates are dirty and rusty you need to take them out and clean them up. I did mine last summer and the difference is unbelieveable, release the clutch and the chockers hit the ground and you can run with the cable. I'm not sure if the Braden is the same as mine but it should be close.

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« Reply #73 on: February 09, 2018, 07:12:20 PM »
Thanks i was able to tap on the nut a little and it free spools now. I didn't bother to take the clutch out cause i couldn't get the nut off. I think i should be ok now but ill know for sure once i try it.
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« Reply #74 on: February 10, 2018, 04:19:42 PM »
Took the old girl out of the shop for the first time to test out the functions and push up a firewood pile. Seems all that is left to do is replace a steering cylinder bushing and put new service brake system in.
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« Reply #75 on: February 15, 2018, 07:59:31 PM »
Skidder is almost ready to pull wood! Done a ton of work and replaced many parts and made many adjustments. Tomorrow is test and tune day hopefully all goes well and passes the test.
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« Reply #76 on: February 15, 2018, 08:40:29 PM »
Good deal.  Take some pics!

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« Reply #77 on: February 15, 2018, 09:18:22 PM »
Will do
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« Reply #78 on: February 15, 2018, 09:38:28 PM »
Looking great, keep pictures coming!
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« Reply #79 on: Yesterday at 08:16:42 AM »
Thank you and will do. Ill give an update later today on what ive been up to on it with pics.
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