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Offline starmac

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Re: figuring out how to charge
« Reply #20 on: November 13, 2017, 09:14:49 PM »
Here is a pricelist for our only real source for rough cut spruce.

https://northlandwood.com/roughlumber/
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« Reply #21 on: November 13, 2017, 09:18:05 PM »
All of our local mills are Amish and they all quoted me the same rate for custom sawing. 50 cents a Bft. And they keep the slabwood.
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Re: figuring out how to charge
« Reply #22 on: November 13, 2017, 09:23:20 PM »
I only saw by the hour $65/hr for first three hours and $55/hr after that. That is the only system It is fair to saw by the hour as it compensates for the wide range of log quality. Otherwise I would have to have a different bf price for every job based on logs.

I had a guy ask if I can beat a quote, that seemed way low. I told him to hire the other guy and walked off. I don't work for people who only care about taking advantage of others.

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Re: figuring out how to charge
« Reply #23 on: November 13, 2017, 09:24:39 PM »
I call those kind of guys "tire kickers". They are just trying to see if they can get you to drop you're price even when they know they got a good deal especially when no one else in the area could even handle the job. Or didn't want to. Let me guess after you did the job he wanted you to saw more? When I get a customer like that I tell them to go back to their cheap Sawyer. They generally come back with their tail between their legs and have me do their sawing. And they are much easier to deal with from their on out.
If they give me too much hassle I just refuse doing any more work for them and I am better off. I know it is agrivating but sometimes their is nothing you can do. People are goofy. Sorry for the rant but hopes this puts you're mind at I ease. I don't think you are doing anything wrong except maybe not charging that guy enough😂😂
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Re: figuring out how to charge
« Reply #24 on: November 13, 2017, 09:26:35 PM »
Peter, why the change to hourly over 16 foot? Is it just because it is more work to handle longer logs and boards, or does the longer logs slow down your board foot average. Just trying to learn something here.
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Re: figuring out how to charge
« Reply #25 on: November 13, 2017, 09:38:46 PM »
A lot more work and heavy, Most times it's long timbers, Side boards are cut shorter.
Boxing the heart and stuff. Going slower that way. 8' to 16' I can jam. :D
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« Reply #26 on: November 13, 2017, 09:45:11 PM »
I can understand that. I just had it in my mind that the extra board foot in the log would compensate for it taking longer, but I haven't sawn anything over 16 foot to speak of.
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« Reply #27 on: November 13, 2017, 09:56:58 PM »
I'm sawing framing lumber now. Big nice SYP.
Today I sawed 1000 BF of 2x12x12. Beautiful boards.

I charge .25 cents a bf or $250.00 / thousand.
Just me and my Backhoe with forks on it.

Each board cost him about $6.00. About 42 boards.
A 1-1/2" x 11 1/4" x 12 Pine board at the building center is $25.68.

Just saying.
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Re: figuring out how to charge
« Reply #28 on: November 13, 2017, 10:00:30 PM »
Just like when I sell timbers,  the customer pays for the whole log, not just the timber out of it in the price. Then I sell the boards again. ;D
 

  

  

  

  
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« Reply #29 on: November 13, 2017, 10:02:42 PM »
BAM!
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« Reply #30 on: November 13, 2017, 10:07:20 PM »
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Re: figuring out how to charge
« Reply #31 on: November 13, 2017, 11:24:08 PM »
I don't see how the OP is cutting many 40" logs on an LT28 unless he's splitting them first. Back with my LT28 those sized logs would take a half-day or more each. I'm $.50/bdft or $75/hr now, straight through. I decide which when I look at the job and see which works out the best overall. I like the idea of just going straight board foot pricing and scaling the logs instead of the lumber. With the often crooked and half-hollow hardwoods I cut that would improved the bottom line and make things simpler.

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Re: figuring out how to charge
« Reply #32 on: November 14, 2017, 12:32:01 AM »
I wouldn't even turn my mill on for 12 cents per bdft.
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I charge 50 cents per bdft and turn people away from getting too much business.  I refused two jobs today.  I have more than I can do to feed my kilns anyway.

I was the highest guy around, everybody else charged 30 cents per bdft, and Craigslist was full of sawyers.  Now, they are gone, out of business, and I'm the only one around, at least that's what the customers are telling me. 

Charge what you are worth and what it takes to keep you in business, let the other guys race toward the bottom.

Don't let a customer make you feel guilty.  Tell him to go buy a mill and give it a go. 
 
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« Reply #33 on: November 14, 2017, 01:46:24 AM »
A smart man told me years ago,   "double your price, you will only have to do half the work for the same income and the customers you receive will be twice the quality of the cheap ones".

I cant/wont compete with low quality/price.

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« Reply #34 on: November 14, 2017, 05:35:10 AM »
Chop Shop, Yellow Hammer, You guys are right on the money. smiley_beertoast
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« Reply #35 on: November 14, 2017, 06:57:46 AM »
Yellow is right on the money...may become my new hero!  :D

That's my model also. (particularly with my other business). Right now it's a race to the bottom over there, but our quality and top-of-pyramid paradigm remains. Customers migrate back once they feel the pain near the bottom.  It can test one's patience in the meantime though.  :-[
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« Reply #36 on: November 14, 2017, 07:23:21 AM »
I can't imagine how you could possibly be making any money at that price. I'm not in the sawmill business but I am in the service business and I'd be bankrupt quickly at $45.00.  I have a $4,000.00 pressure washer we use a lot and if I'm not making $125.00 an hour off of it and 1 man I leave it home. Even at $125.0 an hour, I'm not getting rich.
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« Reply #37 on: November 14, 2017, 07:24:19 AM »
When I started the firewood business,  I tooknall my cash costs my investment costs labour everything that cost me money. Then added profit. If they did not buy my product that was just fine I do not need to go broke because some one wants to do it cheeper. I see lots of guys on here doing things for next to nothing, maybe making a wage if that,  a good product and good service will win over cheep price.
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« Reply #38 on: November 14, 2017, 08:00:05 AM »
I don't see how the OP is cutting many 40" logs on an LT28 unless he's splitting them first. Back with my LT28 those sized logs would take a half-day or more each. I'm $.50/bdft or $75/hr now, straight through. I decide which when I look at the job and see which works out the best overall. I like the idea of just going straight board foot pricing and scaling the logs instead of the lumber. With the often crooked and half-hollow hardwoods I cut that would improved the bottom line and make things simpler.
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« Reply #39 on: November 14, 2017, 09:34:44 PM »
   Somebody (but I forget who - maybe cwimer? They say your memory is the second thing to go and I can't remember what the first was) recently posted his policy of charging a flat rate fee per each log and had a specified size restriction on how big the log could be based on his mill constraints.

    I still keep kicking that around and if anybody else is or has been doing so I'd love to hear an update. Both the customer and the sawyer know exactly how much it will cost before the first board is ever cut.
Yep you're right on cwimer. He charges for a base price for 8' logs regardless of diameter. $100 I believe.
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