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Offline DR_Buck

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Re: New Toy (Tool)
« Reply #20 on: November 26, 2017, 10:31:43 AM »
Yellow Hammer this is really a nice looking machine.   I'm not sure I would be comfortable around that longer cutter up ther on the top.   ::)

Question for you "WIDE" jointer guys.     Are you using these for facing and edging boards?     If for surface facing, how is this equipment better than a wide table planer?

From the pictures, it looks like the shop is a pole building and not temperature or humidity controlled.   For you guys that have shops like this, how do you avoid rust build up on the machine table surfaces?  It seems that waxing or coating the tops could become a effort if you have several machines with cast iron or steel tops.   I'm currently building the inside of my new shop and I am fully insulating it and then adding a mini-split heatpump to avoid rust problems.



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Re: New Toy (Tool)
« Reply #21 on: November 26, 2017, 12:31:11 PM »
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Re: New Toy (Tool)
« Reply #22 on: November 26, 2017, 04:40:39 PM »
I keep my woodwork shop in my unheated old farm barn.
I use this on the parts I don't want to rust like my table
saw top. Works great and makes the board slide so much
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Re: New Toy (Tool)
« Reply #23 on: November 26, 2017, 09:21:00 PM »
Planers are very good any taking out some surface defects like cup and erratic high spots but doesn't take out gradual defects like long, subtle bow in a board and long twist.  I've tried many times and many tricks to try to fix these issues with a planer, with little success.  Planers are best as thicknessers.

A jointer or facer on the other hand excels at this with its very long bed, and with the cutters in the bed.  The ability to regulate and position down pressure also helps.

You are right, my workshop is a pole barn, and rust can be an issue in the Spring, but not usually in the other times of year.  Spring is a problem when the nights are cold, the iron gets cold, and then in the morning the day warms up and the humidity condenses on the cold metal.  Instant rust.  The solution is simple, light bulbs.  In the Spring, I take standard automotive trouble lights, with 100W bulbs and hang them on the machines.  They gently warm the metal, so no condensation can form.  Easy fix.
   
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Re: New Toy (Tool)
« Reply #24 on: November 27, 2017, 06:13:37 AM »
So YH now your home all the time you let customers come during the week not just Saturdays?
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« Reply #25 on: November 27, 2017, 08:36:22 AM »
Not so much, but I will take occasional appointments because these are generally regular customers and only need a minimal amount of help.  Problem is, when people show up I have to shut things down because I'm the only employee here.  We are about to hit our peak season, so I have to spend a lot of time making sure we have enough wood to sell.  I tell people that I can't sell it if I don't have time to make it. ;D
 
I really like Saturdays, open the gates, and let folks flood in like a wave, and the only thing I have to do is help them.  We had a good Saturday this week and had 3 vehicles at the gate when I opened 30 minutes early.  We've had to hire two people to help us on Saturdays, a second cashier and a second yard man, so there are generally 4 of us required to keep up.  I spend a lot of my time in the shop, dressing freshly bought slabs with the Festool Track Saw, or using the SLR to edge people's 4/4 wood that they don't want to do on their table saw, and facing boards that they want to make into a table top.  Thats where these tools really pay off, customers can buy pieces of wood that they don't have the tools to take them to a digestible shape in their own shop.  So for example, I had a customer buy 4 rainbow poplar slabs for a big table ($150-$200 each) but he didn't have the equipment to strip the live edge off them and have the joints clean enough for a table quality glue joint.  So I cut the edges with the Tracksaw (slow but effective), faced the skip planed slabs on the SCM (one pass), and than ran them through the planer.  We put the edged pieces on the forks of the Cat for a flat surface, and they all slid together and the joints disappeared.  He was happy and it only took a few minutes for us to do it, he would have spent a day on it.
For typical 4/4 boards we charge by the bdft for both planing and straight lining.  Customers don't have to use our service, but its there if they want it.
 
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Re: New Toy (Tool)
« Reply #26 on: November 27, 2017, 11:53:50 AM »

Question for you "WIDE" jointer guys.     Are you using these for facing and edging boards?     If for surface facing, how is this equipment better than a wide table planer?


A jointer is used to flatten a board, whereas a planer is used to dimension a board.  A planer will usually not flatten out a board; ie if you put a cupped or twisted board in you will get a cupped or twisted board out (albeit at the same thickness).

Most of the time I use my 25" Oliver jointer-planer.  It makes it fast and easy because it does both sides in one pass.  With my 16" jointer, I use a power feed on the outfeed table.
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Re: New Toy (Tool)
« Reply #27 on: November 28, 2017, 05:49:06 AM »
It can be hard to get things done when customers show up.
I have had days when I only cut one log. But, My pockets are full of $$$$$$. :D :D :D
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« Reply #28 on: November 28, 2017, 05:56:35 AM »
Those tools are PAINFUL expensive, but worth every penny. (I have a Felder version).
Being able to joint big stock is a boom to customers/woodworkers for sure.

Most mills I've seen, just jam it into an old piece of big iron, stripping off the material (mega tear out).

The spiral insert cutters are a near-necessity for figured material.

Nice score on a nice machine! Congrats!
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Re: New Toy (Tool)
« Reply #29 on: November 28, 2017, 07:53:54 AM »
What do you guys do about the hub cap sized pork chop?  I've contacted SCM and they are looking for alternatives.
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« Reply #30 on: November 28, 2017, 10:29:08 AM »
Wow, awesome machine... being able to take that much off in one pass is impressive to say the least.

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« Reply #31 on: November 28, 2017, 06:11:56 PM »
Felder uses a totally different version: it's a smaller version that covers the cutter and you adjust in/out according to the size material you're working with.
Works ok, but requires manual input.
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« Reply #32 on: November 28, 2017, 09:31:52 PM »
I'm using a bridge guard (Euro guard).  I love it for edging as I can adjust it to put a little pressure against the board to hold it tight to the fence.  Took a long time to get used to it for facing and still not completely comfortable with it.  I think maybe because I used a porkchop most of my life.  My guard is the standard one (cheap) for a 12 jointer.  I would think with your 20 machine you would want one of the segmented styles.  Suva makes one I drool over.
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Re: New Toy (Tool)
« Reply #33 on: November 28, 2017, 10:55:43 PM »
I contacted SCM, they said the euro style guard satrts at $1,3000.  Ouch.  They've never seen the segmented pork chop, except for the video I sent them. 
I'll start looking aftermarket. 
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« Reply #34 on: November 29, 2017, 07:39:07 AM »
Yep. I have the Euro style one and it's good, but I can't say that I like it more or less than the porkchop style on my older machine.

Felder got better when they made a segmented one. Otherwise, when it's retracted (set for wide material) it gets in your way, or your gut.
The Euro machines are precision and brilliant. It takes owning one to understand.

Congrats on yours, Yellow. It's a fine machine, indeed!  8)
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Re: New Toy (Tool)
« Reply #35 on: November 29, 2017, 09:05:18 PM »
Congratulations on a fine machine.

I, too, have a serious disdain for the porkchop guards on large jointers.  Hard to walk around without hitting your hip all day long.  Not too good for the lower back, either.

If you want to look at different guards, I have a Surty guard on my 16" jointer that can be adjusted to act like a bridge guard.  The board passes right under it without moving it.  Nothing to dodge.

Anyways, great machine, and congrats again.  Soon, you'll be wanting a 30" facer for those big slabs! :D
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Re: New Toy (Tool)
« Reply #36 on: November 30, 2017, 07:17:54 AM »
I need to load up a trailer load of slabs and visit you  ;D
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« Reply #37 on: November 30, 2017, 07:53:46 AM »
Heck yeah, road trip.  Come on up.

I'm still very impressed with the features on this jointer and don't understand why some weren't on my previous machine.  For example, the grooved machined tables seem to make a real difference in drag in the board.  My straight line rip saw has the same grooves, and its also obviously intended to reduce drag.  Why don't all the machines have this?  It seems simple enough to manufacture. 

Also, the Xylent cutter head is simply amazing.  I've had a small two knife butterhead on a Jet jointer, and also a Byrd copy on the Grizzly.  This one literally cuts a glass smooth finish, and it actually makes the boards a little difficult to grip, which seems ridiculous, but both my wife and I noticed it.

I also immediacy noticed the adjustment knob for the out feed table is small and hidden, and not stuck out in the open like my previous two jointers.  I never understood this, once I had them dialed in, I always had to tell people who used them, "Don't touch the outfeed knob".   This machines outfield adjustment is intentionally tucked out of sight and away from peoples hands.

Also, this is the first tool I have gotten that was completely adjusted when it came for the factory.  I went over the measurements and surprisingly didn't have to adjust anything.  What a refreshing experience.

When I bought the machine, I immediately received a letter from the SCM group in the US, with a complete list of names and points of contact, including a customer care representative who would answer any and all inquiries.  I have tested this when I asked for the newer guard, and I noticed the emails I sent were responded to immediately with information, or forwarded to others with information soon following.  What kind of a company are they running, where they actually seem to want to help customers after the sale?? 
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« Reply #38 on: November 30, 2017, 09:36:33 AM »
What kind of a company are they running, where they actually seem to want to help customers after the sale??

That is indeed, a rarity. Kudos to them!
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« Reply #39 on: December 03, 2017, 12:08:45 PM »
That's one fine piece of equipment.
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