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Compact tractor sized forwarding trailer?
« on: November 30, 2017, 01:30:57 PM »
I've been wishing I had a small forwarding trailer for my compact tractor for years, but could never justify it. Over the past 6 months, I've had a couple of friends express interest in going on together on the purchase of one. We may round up another couple of people and make the leap. Our goal is not to get into logging in a big way. It's more to pick up the odd few sawlogs here and there, but which are too small a job to interest someone in the business full-time to come and get the wood out of the forest. We have friends with sawmills that we'd love to be able to take the wood to for special projects. Once we own it, I'm sure it will get used in some of our firewood harvesting operations as well. Most of us are in the rolling foothills of the Green Mountains in the Champlain Valley of VT, but it would also get used in some of the neighboring mountain towns.

We think we're looking for something with a load capacity of about 5000# - bigger than the 2000# ATV-style trailers, but small enough to still be a good match with a compact tractor or a small 4WD pickup (like a Toyota Tacoma / Ford Ranger).

I think we want self-contained hydraulics, since not all of us have a tractor we can plug the hydraulics in to.

I'm wondering about other features we should be considering:

Brakes: surge? electric?

Max log length: we'd love to be able to get 16' plus trim. Are we going to have to scale back to something smaller in this load capacity range? I suppose we could accept hauling 12' logs, but if we had to go shorter than that, we'd probably drop the idea.

How handy is it to be able to power the trailers wheels with the hydraulics?
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Re: Compact tractor sized forwarding trailer?
« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2017, 02:00:32 PM »
Just a quick word of caution on going together with friends on a purchase, partnerships are ships that can sink. If you have multiple parties owning one asset, have it spelled out IN WRITING, and a SIGNED AGREEMENT who owns what. Inevitably the asset need to be liquidated, and one party will have to buy out the others. Speaking from expensive experience. My two pennies.
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« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2017, 02:18:19 PM »
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Re: Compact tractor sized forwarding trailer?
« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2017, 03:14:45 PM »
On road or strictly off road? 

I’ve moved several logs with a single axle tilt bed trailer and a come along behind a minivan.

Then there is the DanG/Deadheader arch and winch solution.
http://www.forestryforum.com/board/index.php/topic,17613.0.html

Also parabuckle over the trailer side.

Then there is this propane arch (which I haven’t got to try out yet).  Mine has a hand winch, but there are hydraulic models out there.


Wouldn't fool with hydraulic drive trailer axles.  If that mucky, best to stay home before breaking something.  Though AG type flotation tires and tandem walking axles may make a lot of sense.
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Re: Compact tractor sized forwarding trailer?
« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2017, 04:01:22 PM »
The problem with a hydraulic drive axle is uncoupling it for neutral.. And making it match the gearing of the power unit.  The tire friction drive ones cover these issues but arent terribly effective.


I suggest a walking beam and limiting to 12ft logs.  A load of 16s has a whole lot of tail drag unles the trailer is very tall.  The first time you either get stuck or dump a load of 16s crossing a gully because the overhanging logs hung up on the ground youll understand why im saying this.
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Re: Compact tractor sized forwarding trailer?
« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2017, 04:36:53 PM »
Just a quick word of caution on going together with friends on a purchase, partnerships are ships that can sink. If you have multiple parties owning one asset, have it spelled out IN WRITING, and a SIGNED AGREEMENT who owns what. Inevitably the asset need to be liquidated, and one party will have to buy out the others. Speaking from expensive experience. My two pennies.

Good advice. Several of those interested are people I'm already in a land partnership with (16 area families jointly own a wooded parcel which is conserved as a working forest). We formed an LLC and established some ground rules going in. It was well thought-out, but even so, we've learned a few things we might do differently next time.

Maybe we'll form an LLC for this as well. We haven't gotten that far yet, but there will definitely be some legal agreement to sign, which will include a way out (probably requiring that the share be offered back to those the group first and can't be sold to an outsider, as well as a way to force an irresponsible member out.
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« Reply #6 on: November 30, 2017, 05:02:55 PM »
John, definitely get the hydraulic drive assist. Our big Farma trailer doesn't have it because we don't often use it in the woods (not the primary use) but from the little we have used it in the woods and on slopes, even behind a 120hp 4wd tractor, the drive is a must. We cleared a spot for a pump station this summer on our sugaring project, probably cut 10-15 cords of wood out of there. We were loading 2+ cords on, and it wouldn't make a hill we thought would be no problem, needed a push with the excavator each time.

Our trailer does have hydraulic brakes, but they're pretty much all on or all off.

Get the longest boom you can on whatever platform you get- it will never be long enough. I don't know how well the boom mounted winches work, but probably would be handy to have a second tractor (or prebunch) with a winch.
Most trailers offer a bunk extension so you can load longer wood- You can usually have a few feet of overhang too, especially with stuff stacked on top of it.
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Re: Compact tractor sized forwarding trailer?
« Reply #7 on: November 30, 2017, 05:45:15 PM »
another option
a skidder and a self-loading logging truck
skid the logs to the loading area, then load
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« Reply #8 on: November 30, 2017, 05:55:25 PM »
another option
a skidder and a self-loading logging truck
skid the logs to the loading area, then load

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Re: Compact tractor sized forwarding trailer?
« Reply #9 on: November 30, 2017, 06:14:41 PM »
What's the budget on this? 

Have you thought about getting an old forwarder like an Iron Mule?  Could use your CUT as a winch to skid to trail, then use the forwarder to move logs.
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Re: Compact tractor sized forwarding trailer?
« Reply #10 on: November 30, 2017, 10:47:03 PM »
To answers some of the questions:

This will be used mainly in the forest, not as an over-the-road trailer (though occasionally it might be pulled up to a few miles over the road behind a tractor)

I have a logging winch on my compact tractor that we can use to get the logs trailside. (If we get more serious about this, I'm going to need to trade up to a bigger tractor, which is a bummer, because I've finally got this one set up nicely for working in the woods.)

We're trying to keep this small-scale. We're landowners with occasional need to get out more logs than is practical to do pulling one at a time in an arch. We'd like to avoid skidding the logs all the way out - don't want to tear up our trails and load the logs up with dirt.

A skidder, log truck or Iron Mule is not really in the cards for us. A mini forwarder would be as big as we wanted to go, but those are prohibitively expensive new, and no one is selling them used (at least not in our area)

We haven't really set a budget at this point. US$8 - $10,000 is do-able. We might be able to go higher. We'd certainly consider used in good condition, but haven't seen much for sale (we also haven;t been looking for very long.
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Re: Compact tractor sized forwarding trailer?
« Reply #11 on: December 01, 2017, 07:16:39 AM »
I looked into this a while ago. At that time there were no small forwarding trailers set up with road-worthy tires, wheel bearings brakes and lights. Likewise, none of the road-worthy self-loading trailers were designed to serve as forwarders. I hope this has changed, but I haven't seen any evidence.

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« Reply #12 on: December 01, 2017, 10:51:36 AM »
Hi John.  First go on Youtube and write  : Bombadil logging farm tractor boreal forest. Look at those wonderfull and instructive video .
I have the very same equipment,  1643 Massey Ferguson, (4X4) 43 hp hydrostat transmission. 351 Farmi winch that I use to pull the logs to my main trails and a METAVIC 1150 m14 forwarder trailer exactly like m. Bombadil .  It can carry +- 8000 pounds of logs ( I put some 16 footers in it, hemlocks logs over 1000 pounds each. ). The bed is 11.5 ft long, the boom is 14 ft , do not buy a shorter boom. It can be equipped to go on the road, it can have traction ( those are options you have to pay. It is the exact size  of my tractor (66 in.wide)  Of course my trails are wide and the land is flat. The whole forwarder weight 2500 pounds ( 1250 for the trailer, 1250 for the crane) Mine has no options and cost me $15,000 ( Canadian money) .
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« Reply #13 on: December 01, 2017, 01:07:39 PM »
Thanks, Roger. I've seen those Bombadil videos. In fact, I believe I posted a link to them a while back (but that may have been on a tractor-focused forum, rather than here on the FF).

Metavic is one of the ones I was looking at. I was looking at the M95 Tractor model, just because some of the folks who are interested have smaller equipment to use with it (small pick-up trucks or compact tractors). My own tractor is a New Holland TC33D (33 HP Hydrostatic). I keep thinking I should step up a size, but it's hard to make the jump, since I've added some modifications to this one, and all of my implements are sized for it.
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« Reply #14 on: December 01, 2017, 02:34:32 PM »
John, I looked at your tractor spec,  your hydraulic pump give  7.6 gpm, If I remember well Metavic recommand 8 gpm and 2500 psi ( my tractor has enough gpm but my release valve is set at 2276 pounds on Massey's tractor so I cannot use all the power on my crane but it still strong enough for my needs) . If you buy a bigger tractor you must know if your hydraulic has an  **open center or a close center hydraulic unit. ** Most of tractor under 60 hp are open center BUT John Deere  and bigger tractor are all close center ( I think) only check that if you buy a used forwarder.  If new , they set the hydraulic for your needs.  Have you seen a M95 in real ? Some think they can use them with an atv......then the trail have to be clean and flat and a rigid axle, I cannot imagine them carrying a full load with such a tow vehicle, but a small tractor could easily tow and a pick-up also. But I do not think you can carry a 16 footer with those.
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« Reply #15 on: December 01, 2017, 03:47:23 PM »
Roger -

I'm going to look at an M95 in the near future. It's not something I would pull with an ATV. There are much smaller & lighter units that are more suited to an ATV. This will be pulled by tractors similar to mine. If we could come up with enough $, maybe we'd bump up to the 1150. I'm just worried that art 2500# empty, we've used up a bunch of the tow capacity of some of the vehicles that would be pulling it.

I'm also hoping to look at the Woody 105-HD loader on their 9-58 trailer. Unfortunately, the nearest dealer only has larger stuff in stock.

I keep going back and forth about one of those vs a larger unit, or just going with parbuckling or DanG-Deadheader log lift on a less expensive trailer.
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« Reply #16 on: December 01, 2017, 04:01:21 PM »
Hey John, just a couple of things to consider. if the trailer and loader are used by others then on your gear hydraulic fluid problems may be transferred to your gear. If someone else uses poor or used hydraulic oil then it will enter your gear if you use your tractor hydraulics, or if metal bits are about the same. So with multiple users maybe independent hydraulics on the loader.  You will also come across two types of legs.. telescopic or fold out stabilizer legs. On sloped or rough ground  , in my experience at least the  fold out legs did better.   In a tippy sitch the can be extended out and prevent a rollover.  In the older models they provided a wider stance. The real problem with a loader is how to get the smile off your face once you use one.   :D
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« Reply #17 on: December 01, 2017, 06:13:23 PM »
Thanks for the tip about the legs, Stephen.

There is no way I would hook up group-owned equipment to my tractor's hydraulics. Originally, I was thinking PTO pump, but since some of the group want's to use it behind a pickup or tractors without hydraulic remotes, we'll probably be going with the gas-engine powered hydraulics
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« Reply #18 on: December 01, 2017, 07:45:39 PM »
John, 16 ft. logs are possible depending on the bed length. Depending on how much is hanging off the back traction up and down hills can be a problem. The bed on my trailer is 13 feet and a full load of 16 ft logs gets a little harry going down steep hills. Brakes would be mandatory if you do not have the hydraulic drive assist. The hydraulic drive assist is not cheap ( between 8 and 10 thousand extra

  

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« Reply #19 on: December 01, 2017, 09:42:21 PM »
John, 16 ft. logs are possible depending on the bed length. Depending on how much is hanging off the back traction up and down hills can be a problem. The bed on my trailer is 13 feet and a full load of 16 ft logs gets a little harry going down steep hills. Brakes would be mandatory if you do not have the hydraulic drive assist.


I think we are gong to have to scale back from our original 16' goal. However, given the hills on which we need to operate

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The hydraulic drive assist is not cheap ( between 8 and 10 thousand extra, but worth every penny if you are doing this full time. Part time it could be hard to justify the added expense.

Ouch! I didn't realize they were that expensive. That may have to be relegated to the "we hope to retrofit one some day" list
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« Reply #20 on: December 02, 2017, 05:08:16 AM »
Definitely you’ll want good tire chains and 4wd for whatever tows it, especially without the assist. I forgot they were that expensive but now I remember that’s a big part of why our farma was so affordable for a big trailer.

I don’t know if this is possible with your group land ownership, but have you considered owning the trailer yourself and maybe renting the service of the trailer for when the others need to use it? Seems like it could solve some of the problems but probably introduce more too... just a thought, I know I’d rather be sole owner on something like this. And sole operator...
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« Reply #21 on: December 02, 2017, 08:28:43 AM »
I don’t know if this is possible with your group land ownership, but have you considered owning the trailer yourself and maybe renting the service of the trailer for when the others need to use it? Seems like it could solve some of the problems but probably introduce more too... just a thought, I know I’d rather be sole owner on something like this. And sole operator...

The problem with renting is that you are now a commercial operation and can have significant liability if something goes wrong and someone get's hurt (including if they get hurt from their own ignorance or lack of familiarity). Even having someone sign a waiver  does not protect you - they can't waive their spouse or children's right to sue, or their medical insurance company's right to sue to recover costs (known as "right of subrogation"). This is one of the reasons companies renting equipment have major-league liability insurance policies. A co-owner is not held to the same standard.

Owning equipment as a group does require a different mode of thinking: "I'm letting someone else use my equipment" vs "I'm using our equipment." You do have to pick your partners carefully.

BTW, the co-owners on this would not be the same as the co-owners on the land. Three of the landowners would be in (including me). My forester (who also happens to be a good friend) and a couple of others so far. I still don't know if this will actually happen. The price tag may still scare enough people off that the attempt falls apart.
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« Reply #22 on: December 02, 2017, 09:23:43 AM »
Does no one in this group have a welder? 

Find an old k30 or f350 dually dump, pull the cab and bed, make operator station up near the radiator, chain it up, weld the steer axle differential, sell the bed and weld on some bunks.  Pitch in to buy a crane and bypass rotary grapple together and run it off the trans PTO.  Transport it with a car trailer and pull all the 16 footers you want.  The guys with toyotas can man up and get real trucks.   Logging is heavy, if you wanna play logger youre gonna play heavy equipment too. 
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« Reply #23 on: December 02, 2017, 10:47:32 AM »
It's a nice concept, Mike, but there are plenty of people in our area with large equipment when we have that need. We are intentionally looking to go small and light here. None of us are interested in logging full time. This is for smaller jobs and going after the occasional trees which were blown down in a storm or grabbing a few trees for a special project - both situations where we don't want to open up the forest for larger equipment. Most of us are doing this sort of work on occasion now (not commercially), we're just interested in making it a bit easier to do and minimizing the distance we drag the trees, tearing up trails and loading the logs up with dirt

The guys with the small trucks got them small on purpose, not because they couldn't afford a larger one. They understand their usage will be limited in this application. Odds are, they'll call on one of us with a tractor to get the wood out to an area that is easier to reach with their truck, and they'll do the haul from there. The small truck use is sort of incidental to the whole project: they'll be used where the trails are good enough (and flat enough) to allow it to free up the tractor for the more difficult stuff.

There are folks doing this sort of thing with ATVs. In fact, there used to be a guy in the area from a 3rd generation logging family that left the business, then got back into it doing horse logging with a sideline of ATV logging. The ATV stuff in particular is more specialty work: he can reach places that larger equipment can't get to (at least not without some major trail work).

We're looking at a step bigger, without going "full-scale". Most of this is for personal use or for local specialty projects. My own current interest is in salvaging some nice red oaks that blew down in a windstorm. Not enough to interest someone to come in and do some commercial work, but some of it might get used as flooring in the tiny house my son is building. If I can make it easy for them to get at, a local mill will send their truck to pick it up and turn it in to flooring for us, but for them to send their crew in to pull out a dozen downed trees just doesn't make sense.

As we get further in to this, I'm thinking that our hope of pulling out 16 footers may be too ambitious - at least in most cases, and especially with the larger diameter hardwoods.
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« Reply #24 on: December 02, 2017, 01:25:38 PM »
Its been a long time since i was around anyone with spare money, ive kinda forgotten those days. I guess when you have spare money and just want to do something because youd enjoy it, you just can.   Only people with spare money can consider a $15k trailer to get a few trees because economically its just preposterous.  But then again so are vacations.  Yet theres nothing wrong with vacations if you can afford them. 


I guess i get your goals now.  I think youre coming around to the idea .. But ill state it clearly.  If you want to mess around with a trailer load of wet 16' red oak thats big enough to get some lumber out of, youre talking crawler tractor power unit.  Even a big 4wd AG tractor will get pushed around by that load on anything with a side slope or hill.   

16' sticks are also gonna take a bigger road unless you have some really well designed trails and favorable terrain.   With compact tractors, I think an an arch up front and a skateboard dolley on back is how thatd have to be done, one stick at a time, to keep from digging up the trails.  If you cant lift one end of a log it just tears the heck out of a place and feels like it weighs 3x more. 
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« Reply #25 on: December 02, 2017, 01:49:50 PM »
Btw, im not saying dont do it or dont have fun in the woods or anything like that.   I am all for that.  But if you need a community owned piece of equipment it means no one person has the cash for it or theyd buy it alone.  So from that perspective i say, go have your fun with what youve got.  I have done what youre talking about with stuff other people literally scrapped, and i have enjoyed building it just as much as working it.  Maybe even more.  Find some junk, whip something up with your buddies and drink beer.  Go try it, break it, drink more beer, change it and try to break it again. 














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Re: Compact tractor sized forwarding trailer?
« Reply #26 on: December 02, 2017, 01:58:19 PM »
Only people with spare money can consider a $15k trailer to get a few trees because economically its just preposterous.  But then again so are vacations.  Yet theres nothing wrong with vacations if you can afford them. 

I guess i get your goals now.

Well, you sort of get the goals. That's exactly why no one of us would buy the trailer. We simply don't have enough need of it to justify paying that kind of money. Some of us would use it a lot more than others, but none of us are in this full time. No way I could justify $15K for my own use, however, I could certainly justify $2,500.
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Re: Compact tractor sized forwarding trailer?
« Reply #27 on: December 02, 2017, 02:06:21 PM »
Btw, im not saying dont do it or dont have fun in the woods or anything like that.   I am all for that.  But if you need a community owned piece of equipment it means no one person has the cash for it or theyd buy it alone.  So from that perspective i say, go have your fun with what youve got.  I have done what youre talking about with stuff other people literally scrapped, and i have enjoyed building it just as much as working it.  Maybe even more.  Find some junk, whip something up with your buddies and drink beer.  Go try it, break it, drink more beer, change it and try to break it again.

Nice pics. Hard to believe that little thing is moving those logs.

At least two of those involved could afford to buy it, but that's not the same thing as justifying spending the money for their own individual use (and one of those with the $$ also has the least experience and least need. For him, it's just something for fun: "I want to make something out of this log that came form my own land", and he's hoping to learn a bit from the others involved). 5 or 6 of us could keep it busy and get enough out of it to have it make some sense.
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Re: Compact tractor sized forwarding trailer?
« Reply #28 on: December 02, 2017, 02:29:26 PM »


I agree that is amazing.

John Mc, i did a quick search on the Vermont craigslist and found some interesting items
use some of these searches
Logging
grapple -hay -bail
crane
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set the price to 2 and 3500

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Re: Compact tractor sized forwarding trailer?
« Reply #29 on: December 02, 2017, 02:48:47 PM »
saw this

Homemade skidders

this gave me the idea that a pickup could be converted to a small logging truck
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Re: Compact tractor sized forwarding trailer?
« Reply #30 on: December 02, 2017, 03:24:16 PM »
Btw, im not saying dont do it or dont have fun in the woods or anything like that.   I am all for that.  But if you need a community owned piece of equipment it means no one person has the cash for it or theyd buy it alone.  So from that perspective i say, go have your fun with what youve got.  I have done what youre talking about with stuff other people literally scrapped, and i have enjoyed building it just as much as working it.  Maybe even more.  Find some junk, whip something up with your buddies and drink beer.  Go try it, break it, drink more beer, change it and try to break it again.

Nice pics. Hard to believe that little thing is moving those logs.

At least two of those involved could afford to buy it, but that's not the same thing as justifying spending the money for their own individual use (and one of those with the $$ also has the least experience and least need. For him, it's just something for fun: "I want to make something out of this log that came form my own land", and he's hoping to learn a bit from the others involved). 5 or 6 of us could keep it busy and get enough out of it to have it make some sense.
Just a quick question how large of logs are you expecting to pickup, as well as how much weight are you going to pack? Only reason I ask we have a Farmi forwarder trailer that we've used here and there to do road clean ups ect with on a 90 horse Deere tractor it's no forwarder or shovel to put it nicely does it work for light stuff yes, now to the bad the brakes being hydraulic on ours are a pain they're either locked up or you free wheel, then the turning tongue has its place but most of the time it's pain, the loader is on the light side and the landing gear love to sink they need wider pads.

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Re: Compact tractor sized forwarding trailer?
« Reply #31 on: December 02, 2017, 05:07:17 PM »
That poor little JD.  :o
Need to shorten up a truck for it to really shine in the works,getting a truck turned around in the woods ssome room.
There is a guy just a few miles from me that shorten up a Ford truck,for a plow truck. The rear tires are just about 3 feet behind the cab. I stopped in to see how he did it. I forgot now,but it survived last winter.
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Re: Compact tractor sized forwarding trailer?
« Reply #32 on: December 02, 2017, 06:53:35 PM »
Make it yourself.



This winter I'll convert it to a forwarder. It runs on charcoal, that is what the tanks are for.

Maybe you need a portable mill, swing or chain.

Get a light weight trailer or build one. Use a winch to load in the woods. Then use a road machine to deliver it. Keep your cash for something that will not loose value.
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« Reply #33 on: December 02, 2017, 07:13:10 PM »
 I think a good (log rite) log arch would be enough for occasional log retrieval.
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Re: Compact tractor sized forwarding trailer?
« Reply #34 on: December 02, 2017, 07:21:44 PM »
Just a quick question how large of logs are you expecting to pickup, as well as how much weight are you going to pack?

We're hoping to be able to haul 5000# or so, but some of the tow vehicles probably won't be able to handle that in the rougher terrain, so they'll be using a lighter load (or waiting for someone with a more capable vehicle to do the pulling). I suspect the log size will be limited by the loader capacity. On these smaller trailers, you can only pick up 1000 - 1500# depending on which one we get.
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Re: Compact tractor sized forwarding trailer?
« Reply #35 on: December 02, 2017, 08:15:16 PM »
Puffergas - finding a trailer and setting it up for parbuckling or using a DanG Deadheader log lifter is still in the running. If we go that way, I'll probably just own it myself or with one of the guys who are in the landowner group. Just trying to consider all the options before we decide.

gspren - We've already got access to an arch (well, some of us do). We're looking for a step up from an arch for the times we have more volume to move

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Re: Compact tractor sized forwarding trailer?
« Reply #36 on: December 02, 2017, 11:34:14 PM »
Just a quick question how large of logs are you expecting to pickup, as well as how much weight are you going to pack?

We're hoping to be able to haul 5000# or so, but some of the tow vehicles probably won't be able to handle that in the rougher terrain, so they'll be using a lighter load (or waiting for someone with a more capable vehicle to do the pulling). I suspect the log size will be limited by the loader capacity. On these smaller trailers, you can only pick up 1000 - 1500# depending on which one we get.
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« Reply #37 on: December 03, 2017, 07:39:13 AM »
Alstor maybe?
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Re: Compact tractor sized forwarding trailer?
« Reply #38 on: December 03, 2017, 08:44:31 AM »
John, if you want go on my photo gallery and have a look what we could log with an ATV. on a very hilly trails.
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Re: Compact tractor sized forwarding trailer?
« Reply #39 on: December 03, 2017, 08:55:00 AM »
Mike & Skeans1

Is this what you are talking about?





Looks like a great machine, but the price SK550,000 (Swedish Krona) amounts to over US$65,000. A good bit out of out range.
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Re: Compact tractor sized forwarding trailer?
« Reply #40 on: December 03, 2017, 10:03:35 AM »
Last night as I was explaining to my wife a second time why the junk forklift I drug home was such a good deal... :), I realized another nice bit about it.

A hydraulic drive axle!  Or at least I think it's hydraulic drive. 

If you are thinking build instead of buy, would be worth looking at some junk equipment or equipment salvage yards.  A combine rear axle could give you a steerable powered axle for tight trails...

I've also thought that an old 4x4 hydrostat combine stripped down and reversed would make a good redneck forwarder, but may be too wide for a lot of people. 

There's also a thread on here somewhere where someone built a small forwarder out of an old ditch witch trencher.
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Re: Compact tractor sized forwarding trailer?
« Reply #41 on: December 03, 2017, 08:21:20 PM »
Here ya go:






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Re: Compact tractor sized forwarding trailer?
« Reply #42 on: December 03, 2017, 08:41:09 PM »
Mike & Skeans1

Is this what you are talking about?





Looks like a great machine, but the price SK550,000 (Swedish Krona) amounts to over US$65,000. A good bit out of out range.
This is more what I was thinking of https://www.mascus.com/forestry/used-skidders/kranman-t3000/eihnalct.html

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« Reply #43 on: December 03, 2017, 08:55:35 PM »
Bigblue12v on arboristsite i think built one of the best trencher skidders ive seen.  For their size trenchers are extremely potent because they use narrowed truck axles and weigh a ton.  I have a burkeen b30 project for my next mini skidder.  Also a ditchwitch 350sx.  Very specialized parts you cant find cheaply anywhere else.

Alstors are cool but i could have a knuckleboom, skidder, dozer, truck and trailer for that. 
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« Reply #44 on: December 03, 2017, 10:27:50 PM »
Bigblue12v is member here also, yes he has built some impressive stuff.

The only advantage those homemade forwarders have over a two wheel drive tractor and trailer is, that they turn a little sharper and have a bit more traction on the drive axle. Probably fine for a couple of cords.
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« Reply #45 on: December 03, 2017, 10:58:00 PM »
This is more what I was thinking of https://www.mascus.com/forestry/used-skidders/kranman-t3000/eihnalct.html

Looks interesting - or the T4500. 

The Kranman web site doesn't seem to post a lot of specs on their equipment. Any idea how long the loading area is on the T3000 (or the T4500, for that matter)?
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« Reply #46 on: December 03, 2017, 10:58:23 PM »
Bigblue12v on arboristsite i think built one of the best trencher skidders ive seen.  For their size trenchers are extremely potent because they use narrowed truck axles and weigh a ton.  I have a burkeen b30 project for my next mini skidder.  Also a ditchwitch 350sx.  Very specialized parts you cant find cheaply anywhere else.

Alstors are cool but i could have a knuckleboom, skidder, dozer, truck and trailer for that.
If you look at the link I put up that's a much cheaper option

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« Reply #47 on: December 03, 2017, 11:15:30 PM »
This is more what I was thinking of https://www.mascus.com/forestry/used-skidders/kranman-t3000/eihnalct.html

Looks interesting - or the T4500. 

The Kranman web site doesn't seem to post a lot of specs on their equipment. Any idea how long the loading area is on the T3000 (or the T4500, for that matter)?
No idea but found a video of the smaller one that's self contained it looks like it'd do 16's but I don't think you'd be doing 20's.

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Re: Compact tractor sized forwarding trailer?
« Reply #48 on: December 04, 2017, 06:56:16 PM »
Another advantage of the  2wd tractor forwarder hack is what I call the wiggle factor. If it is somewhat stuck there is a fair chance that a wiggle, by steering left and right, will free it. A lot of old tractors with patched front ends and worn out steering boxes out there, also less desk desirable narrow front ends. Although brakes would be nice.
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Re: Compact tractor sized forwarding trailer?
« Reply #49 on: December 09, 2017, 10:32:35 PM »
Hey John, by what you’re describing you want to do I’d have a serious look at the FARMA 4.2-6 (site sponsor too)
It’s a 14’ telescopic boom that uses a 4 cylinder rack and pinion turnhouse. The trailer has a capacity of 6 tons, the length is adjustable and comes with metal encased foldable brake lights/ flashers.
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« Reply #50 on: December 09, 2017, 11:08:46 PM »
Chubby - thanks for the link. I looked at the Farma offerings and I'd love to own one, but I'm afraid they are just too big for what we need. We'd be happy with a 3 ton capacity (and could live with 2.5 ton payload). I had actually contacted someone asking if any smaller units were planned for the future, but was told that is not in your plans.

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« Reply #51 on: December 10, 2017, 12:55:24 AM »
Chubby - thanks for the link. I looked at the Farma offerings and I'd love to own one, but I'm afraid they are just too big for what we need. We'd be happy with a 3 ton capacity (and could live with 2.5 ton payload). I had actually contacted someone asking if any smaller units were planned for the future, but was told that is not in your plans.

Any chance you guys are going to be at the Northeast Forest Products Equipment Expo in Essex Jct, Vermont on May 11-12? I'm going to be checking out equipment there, if we haven;t already made the leap. It's usually quite a show.
It's cool show I've been to it once in the early 2000's is a different kind of show then what we get here in the PNW is nice seeing some smaller equipment for once.

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« Reply #52 on: December 10, 2017, 08:17:48 AM »
Chubby - thanks for the link. I looked at the Farma offerings and I'd love to own one, but I'm afraid they are just too big for what we need. We'd be happy with a 3 ton capacity (and could live with 2.5 ton payload). I had actually contacted someone asking if any smaller units were planned for the future, but was told that is not in your plans.

Any chance you guys are going to be at the Northeast Forest Products Equipment Expo in Essex Jct, Vermont on May 11-12? I'm going to be checking out equipment there, if we haven;t already made the leap. It's usually quite a show.
It's cool show I've been to it once in the early 2000's is a different kind of show then what we get here in the PNW is nice seeing some smaller equipment for once.

Yeah. I've been several times, since I live about 30 miles from the Essex Junction location. It always draws a good crowd.
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« Reply #53 on: December 13, 2017, 02:56:55 PM »
Chubby - thanks for the link. I looked at the Farma offerings and I'd love to own one, but I'm afraid they are just too big for what we need. We'd be happy with a 3 ton capacity (and could live with 2.5 ton payload). I had actually contacted someone asking if any smaller units were planned for the future, but was told that is not in your plans.

Any chance you guys are going to be at the Northeast Forest Products Equipment Expo in Essex Jct, Vermont on May 11-12? I'm going to be checking out equipment there, if we haven;t already made the leap. It's usually quite a show.
It's cool show I've been to it once in the early 2000's is a different kind of show then what we get here in the PNW is nice seeing some smaller equipment for once.

Yeah. I've been several times, since I live about 30 miles from the Essex Junction location. It always draws a good crowd.

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« Reply #54 on: December 13, 2017, 03:58:28 PM »
I bought a used one of these for about $6K.  Works pretty good but it can be a little janky in operation when grapple is near capacity especially if the trailer is empty.  You just have to mind what you're doing and how you're set up.  I think the track width needs widening for my terrain but its narrowness can be a plus.  The bunk length will take an 8-footer but I've had 12s on it as long as you keep it hooked up to your tow vehicle.

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« Reply #55 on: December 14, 2017, 03:15:48 PM »
Another idea for you: I bought an old New Holland hay wagon running gear locally for $250, dirt cheap but needed tires.  It's 20' long and the length is adjusted by changing the length of the center connecting pipe.  It's four wheel, front steer, has a 10K load capacity.  Just needed to put some bolsters on it and it's good to go.  Nice because with no tongue weight or landing gear, you can just park it where you want it to load it up and then haul it off.  With the self-loading trailer you have to stay hooked up to it.  Since I do my skidding with a CTL, I just skid to the trailer and then load the log directly.  If I use the self-loader, it's a two step operation.  If I have room for the modded hay wagon, it's faster work.
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« Reply #56 on: December 15, 2017, 07:19:53 AM »
Do the have a parking brake of any sort?  Ive been kicking the hay wagon idea around but none have come my way.  Theres a stripped motor home chassis near my house that ive considered haggling for to put bunks and a drawbar then pull behind my dozer
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Re: Compact tractor sized forwarding trailer?
« Reply #57 on: December 15, 2017, 07:45:58 PM »
The tongue that slides is easier to hook up. Seen them with brakes but never parking brakes. Never seen an old one with any brakes.

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Re: Compact tractor sized forwarding trailer?
« Reply #58 on: December 15, 2017, 09:11:44 PM »
Mike, I thought you had a kiln full of "parking brakes" drying.   ;D  :D

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That motor home chassis would be heavier than a travel trailer or mobile home frame.  IE, it should do the job. 

Don't guess your dozer has a 3 point on the back.  Makes moving tounge heavy pintle hitch trailers real easy.   ;) 

If not, Mother Earth News had an article on using a car frame as a hay wagon including tying a tounge to the tie rods for steering.

https://www.motherearthnews.com/diy/hay-wagon-zmaz76mazhar

The best tongues have a slide extension that can be unlocked and pulled forward to hitch, then back the tractor up to hit a spring loaded pin to lock position, then drive off.  Always made sure that wagon was my lead before we got a gooseneck hay trailer as wagons are harder to move when loaded and can be a real pain to hook up loaded without a spotter.
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Re: Compact tractor sized forwarding trailer?
« Reply #59 on: December 15, 2017, 09:38:48 PM »
I wish it did have a 3pt but dozer only has a drawbar for now.  And i broke the kiln again so i guess my parking brakes will be wet!
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Re: Compact tractor sized forwarding trailer?
« Reply #60 on: December 18, 2017, 01:53:05 PM »
My parking brakes look a lot like tire chocks.
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« Reply #61 on: December 18, 2017, 07:18:59 PM »
You could make a trailer or a wagon out of an old truck that has air brakes. Maxi Cans (spelling ?) makes a good parking brake. But an air compressor would be needed.
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