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Author Topic: Must know knowledge for land owners wanting to sell their timber  (Read 6172 times)

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Re: Must know knowledge for land owners wanting to sell their timber
« Reply #20 on: December 10, 2017, 07:18:03 AM »
I think this thread has encouraged me to engage a forester in my quest of improving my forest.

I have no specific need/reason to cut at this point, but I do wish to improve the timber growing there, particularly some help/ideas in order to help the better trees prosper and get rid of some of the scraggle and thickets that prevail amongst the lower forrest.
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Re: Must know knowledge for land owners wanting to sell their timber
« Reply #21 on: December 10, 2017, 07:54:57 AM »
DID HE CALL ME A SNOWFLAKE??   BAHAHHA :D :D :D  BAHAHA!!! :D :D :D
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Re: Must know knowledge for land owners wanting to sell their timber
« Reply #22 on: December 10, 2017, 08:00:34 AM »
Doesn't it snow in Missouri, too?
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Re: Must know knowledge for land owners wanting to sell their timber
« Reply #23 on: December 10, 2017, 08:19:58 AM »
Doesn't it snow in Missouri, too?

Did you mean Michigan?
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« Reply #24 on: December 10, 2017, 08:24:23 AM »
No, he meant Mo, as that's where our cheeky 1st amendment warrior is from.
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Re: Must know knowledge for land owners wanting to sell their timber
« Reply #25 on: December 10, 2017, 08:26:01 AM »
On a positive note yes I have seen a tract of timber survive 3 cuttings. In fact that was all that was ever harvested on that patch.best timber I ever cut, I'm talking walnut 100+ inches.there were 6 that big. And the white oak, there are guys I used to work with that won't talk to me anymore because I sent them pictures of the white oak. And by the way it's been 5years and we're gonna cut some more next week

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« Reply #26 on: December 10, 2017, 08:28:25 AM »
You are not listening. 3 cuttings of proper management versus 3 high grade cuttings are 2 totally different things.
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« Reply #27 on: December 10, 2017, 08:37:13 AM »
Cheeky. That's funny I'm glad to know you r tough enough not to kick me off the forum, for a difference of opinion. And yes everyone has one most of them stink. I think we're in big dog to weigh a ton territory , just sayin'.

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Re: Must know knowledge for land owners wanting to sell their timber
« Reply #28 on: December 10, 2017, 08:42:58 AM »
I think this thread has encouraged me to engage a forester in my quest of improving my forest.

I have no specific need/reason to cut at this point, but I do wish to improve the timber growing there

So far, a chainsaw is the best fertilizer i have encountered.
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« Reply #29 on: December 10, 2017, 09:01:59 AM »
Cheeky. That's funny I'm glad to know you r tough enough not to kick me off the forum, for a difference of opinion. And yes everyone has one most of them stink. I think we're in big dog to weigh a ton territory , just sayin'.

I don't kick off for a difference of opinion. I kick off for attitude and the way you treat other members. And the worst thing you can say to me here, in my house, is that you have freedom of speech here. As long as one is respectful of our rules and our members, there is a lot of latitude.
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« Reply #30 on: December 10, 2017, 11:03:37 AM »
Me thinks we be talking about the same thing.but due to differences in geography and vernacular we are butting heads.i believe responsible forestry management lead's to  a sustainable forest.

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« Reply #31 on: December 10, 2017, 11:15:06 AM »
And yes everyone has one most of them stink. I think we're in big dog to weigh a ton territory , just sayin'.

Me thinks we don't have a clue about what you are saying.  ::)
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« Reply #32 on: December 10, 2017, 11:20:48 AM »
Don't take advice from me I'm conflicted, I grew up in Florida and live in Missouri.

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« Reply #33 on: December 10, 2017, 11:36:31 AM »
Conflicted, confused or a bit too hip for our understanding.  ???
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« Reply #34 on: December 10, 2017, 11:54:58 AM »
Me thinks we be talking about the same thing.but due to differences in geography and vernacular we are butting heads.i believe responsible forestry management lead's to  a sustainable forest.

Yes, but high-grading is not exacty the poster child for responsible forestry, and as others have noted, Clear Cuts are not necessarily a bad thing - the treatment has been abused in some cases, and when it is, it certainly makes for a dramatic photo op. However, as others have noted, there are situations where that is what is called for. It could be something to reach a silvicultural objective, or around here it's often done for wildlife habitat (creating an opening for early successional growth).
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Re: Must know knowledge for land owners wanting to sell their timber
« Reply #35 on: December 10, 2017, 01:10:07 PM »
I agree with Jeff, clear cuts can be a healthy choice. High grading leads to trouble. Clear cuts doesn't mean the whole forest needs leveled, just the troubled areas or plantation sections, etc. It all depends on the variables.
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Re: Must know knowledge for land owners wanting to sell their timber
« Reply #36 on: December 10, 2017, 02:17:07 PM »
I've seen "high grading" defined as:
Cutting trees with the highest value and leaving those with lower value, often diseased or malformed trees, is referred to as high grading. It is sometimes called selective logging, and confused with selection cutting, the practice of managing stands by harvesting a proportion of trees.

Selection cutting and a forester developed plan is prolly what the OP is looking for.
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« Reply #37 on: December 10, 2017, 02:31:34 PM »
Wow! Super helpful posts guys. Even the troll served a purpose in bringing out a dynamic I wouldn’t have thought through otherwise.

Getting a proper appraisal and plan from a forester seems like the proper approach but I’m curious if foresters will work a detailed plan for the small size of my tract (roughly 17 acres). It seems from my reading, they are involved on very large projects...mine is failry small, no?

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« Reply #38 on: December 10, 2017, 03:21:06 PM »
If you cull all the tall folks every 20 years, soon youll have a 5ft population left behind breeding in perpetuity.  Thats high grading and you wont live long enough to see nature repair it.
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« Reply #39 on: December 10, 2017, 03:53:08 PM »
If A is from Missouri, yes, he could cut 3 times and not hurt the hardwood/walnut on a tract.  It is called selective harvest and a few trees of the size he mentioned is a significant harvest.  I worked with some of the big hardwoods in Mo, and that is not unusual.  Used to be a place called Pioneer Forest that was in the big hardwood business, a few trees an acre was significant for them.
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