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Storage/Display question
« on: December 10, 2017, 10:02:54 AM »
   I know this has never happened to any of the rest of you  :D but I find I am running short of storage space for my lumber, benches and slabs.

   My immediate concern is a place to store heavy mantels and live edge slabs where they can continue to air dry and be displayed when customers are interested in them. I keep looking at places I can add on to my existing shed
 

 
   This is my existing lumber storage shed/pole barn shed when first built. All bays are full as are the shelves I built on the back side and ends.

     I have thought about trying to add a couple more posts on to the end and making a 4-6 foot shelf with a cover attached to the end of the existing shed or possibly just building another small shed for this purpose. I thought about horizontal and even vertical storage and wonder about the pros and cons of each when storing thick slabs (2"-4") and such. I'm thinking 8.5' -10.5' slabs/mantels. I even thought about boring a hole in the end and hanging on a peg but decided that would be too difficult (and dangerous). If stored on their sides or ends is cupping and bowing going to increase significantly? I thought about storing on sides with stickers between and keeping tension with ratchet straps. Then to display I could release the straps and open them like pages on a book then close back when done. Don't know how well that would work.

    For those of you who cut and store heavy pieces like this and have storage that is working well for you I'd love to see your options and I am sure others here would too. Thanks.
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Re: Storage/Display question
« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2017, 01:15:09 PM »
Add on 1 more section or take an existing section and build a second floor.
A small set of steps from the outside of the shed to the 2nd floor and you would have a really nice upstairs room to display your benches.
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Re: Storage/Display question
« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2017, 01:47:01 PM »
David,

   I already built shelves on both ends and against the back wall. Below is the end section with the 2 shelves there. The end is already full of 4/4 walnut and I have 2" slabs on the shelf along the back wall. I have long stuff underneath the shelves.

   I have similar shelves in the middle on both sides of the first bay and against all the back wall.  The only place inside I have not built shelves yet is along the middle between the second and third bay and I will likely eventually build there.
 

 
    I am hoping to build storage along an outer wall where I can drive my little tractor with FEL close enough to slide heavy slabs/mantels directly off the forks on to the shelves.

   I am thinking about adding about 3-4 feet on the very end of the shed as one option.
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Re: Storage/Display question
« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2017, 02:13:08 PM »
You don't need more shed/storage space.  You just need to sell more lumber.....problem solved.   ;D 
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Re: Storage/Display question
« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2017, 03:07:54 PM »
Lynn,

   Thank you for you gracious offer. When can I expect you to come get a big truckload? :D

David,

   BTW - I don't have room for another section on the end unless it is about 3' (and that may be an option). I first built 2 bays then realized I had room for another and built the third. I'm only about 3' from the white oak at the end and the fence makes a pie shape down there as it drops off to the creek below. I thought about adding in front but then I lose a lot of maneuverability for my equipment and such there.
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Re: Storage/Display question
« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2017, 05:36:14 PM »
Could you build another shed somewhere else on the property that is convenient enough to store your lumber/slabs instead of adding on etc?
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Re: Storage/Display question
« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2017, 05:49:12 PM »
I can't really tell from the picture, but it looks like you're mostly using the floor.  That's the same problem I'm having, although I'm starting to stack pallets now and use more of the vertical space.

One thing's for sure:  There is never enough storage space.
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Re: Storage/Display question
« Reply #7 on: December 10, 2017, 06:33:13 PM »
WLC,

   Yes. that is an option. I have other spaces in the area I could build sheds and such if I have to do so. I was also hoping to see any really creative racking and such or hear of anyone's successes or lessons learned when storing and displaying such items.

btulloh,

   I am using pretty much all my floor space and have built internal shelves about 3' wide up about 6' high on all the interior except the dividing wall between the 2nd & 3rd bays and will eventually build one there. I try to store my slow moving stuff up there but it makes it difficult and dangerous to put them up there by hand and show to a customer.
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Re: Storage/Display question
« Reply #8 on: December 10, 2017, 08:55:04 PM »
I have the same problem.  I cut too much wood and don't sell enough.  My wife said I am a wood collector! I needed to cut a log of pines back in the summer, but it was molding because I didn't have a place to stack with fans. 
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Re: Storage/Display question
« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2017, 10:10:23 PM »
WV, I'm afraid air drying and storing / showing lumber are 2 different animals. I'M in the same boat, I've got 120' sawing / drying shed, and a 24 x 40 shop but am slowly grading a spot for a kiln and an insulated showroom. My land isn't as hilly as yours, but it is either uphill or downhill and it takes time to get a suitable building spot.
 

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Re: Storage/Display question
« Reply #10 on: December 10, 2017, 11:17:22 PM »
WV, I'm afraid air drying and storing / showing lumber are 2 different animals.
I agree that the two have different requirements.  We air dry ours for about a year before we finish them in the kiln.  So we get them out of the way, in a separate shed, stacked high to get as much weight as possible on them.  Or we put them on our concrete pad, stacked high, pallet on top of pallet, with a sheet metal panel as roof. We palletize in about 800 - 1,000 bdft units, which means the individual stickered packs are about 4 maybe 5 foot high, depending. Then we stack two, if not three packs on top of each other.  So maybe up to 3 MBF stacks per 4x8 foot parking space.  Pallets or skids work wonders as the rigid runners of each pallet act as rigid crossmemebers and push evenly down on the one underneath, putting a lot of even, downward pressure on them.  A forklift is a great thing for moving and transporting these packs.  Even if a customer wanted a specific one, I wouldn't break the carefully stickered pack down to get it.   

Once they are dried, we break everything down and deadstack on pallets.  We put some slabs and thick pieces in the rack, but the majority are left on the pallets where customers can pick and choose easily. 
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Re: Storage/Display question
« Reply #11 on: December 11, 2017, 07:55:41 AM »
If I attempted to air dry/store hardwood in any quantity outside, the powder post beetles would be tying there bibs on and liking there chops!
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« Reply #12 on: December 11, 2017, 08:21:41 AM »
This isn't my lumber yard, its down the road a little, but air drying outside is standard practice in these parts.

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« Reply #13 on: December 11, 2017, 08:28:52 AM »
I broke down and built a dedicated, insulated, kiln dried lumber and kiln dried slab showroom.  The wood will be stored vertically in bays along the inside perimeter of the building.  Just finished, and I am creating the bays at this point in time.  12' wide roll-up door so that I can drive right in with the pallet of wood with the tractor (kiln is limited to 10' lumber, so I only saw 10' lumber for sale).  Air conditioned and heated.  Will control humidity with dehumidifiers. 

My experience is that you need dedicated air drying space and separate space to store and protect dried lumber.  Also a place for the customers to shop.

Here is one of my two air drying sheds.

 

 

The new Hamsley Hardwood Lumber Room. 

 

 

I figure that if I am going to do this, I may as well have something nice for as long as I am able to do this  :).
Howard, you might have to just go out on a limb (old saying) and bite the bullet (old saying) and build you a lumber storage room.  It never ends....(True Old Saying).
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« Reply #14 on: December 11, 2017, 08:44:03 AM »
Danny, that new building looks great!  Congratulations.  HHWH (Hamsley Hardwood World Headquarters) is growing!   8)

An edit on my previous post, we air dry thicker slabs for about a year, but 4\4 lumber only about a couple months or so. 
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« Reply #15 on: December 11, 2017, 10:59:25 AM »
 :o  Well I can say that I knew you back when.  :)  (old saying)
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« Reply #16 on: December 11, 2017, 06:19:08 PM »
   Thanks for all the responses. I checked your location SCLeigh and looks like about 220 miles away so I guess borrowing your kiln services is not an option :D. I am real small potatoes compared to most of you guys who do this for a living. I do it as supplemental income and hobby so don't have the equipment and such you guys usually need and have.

   I have about decided to just extend the roofline on my hay barn/tractor shed and make a 4' shelf area there. I can extend the 5 ridge tin roof about 6' to cover the wood. Just need to put in about 3 posts then attach the other side to the existing shed wall. I have to drive right past it from the mill to current storage and just around the corner if I need to show a customer.
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« Reply #17 on: December 11, 2017, 08:53:38 PM »
    I checked your location SCLeigh and looks like about 220 miles away so I guess borrowing your kiln services is not an option .

I thought SCLeigh picked up and delivered?
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« Reply #18 on: December 11, 2017, 09:11:49 PM »
   Yeah but those mileage fees are a killer. :D
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« Reply #19 on: December 11, 2017, 09:26:34 PM »
He probably offers free shipping on orders over $50  :D.
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