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« on: December 24, 2017, 11:03:23 AM »
Hello,
 Attempting to keep up. Here are some pictures of this weeks service. Hope you all who own sawmill equipment learn from what I post and what others are missing. Pictures are from Wood Mizer equipment but I bet the any other equipment would be the same.

 

 

Check the tire pressure! Just had a customer bring in a mill. Towed it about 150 miles. Tire got hot. Not good for the tire.

 

 

 This tire needs to be at 100 psi!

 

  



 

One way to repair the fuse.  ::)   All fun until things get hot and the whole operation goes up in flames.

 

  



  
Amazing how much stuff one little mouse can carry.


  



 
This mill was purchased online. They drove from Delaware. I asked them if they felt lucky. This was a 1984 mill. Yikes.
 

 

Log turning chain tension. You need to have this adjusted should be able to form around the log but not loose enough to rub the block on the metal.

 

  
This hydraulic oil gauge is here for a reason. I found no leaks.



 

Holds about 15 gal. (20 gal total) I put 10 in the tank.  :o This is from a LT70 Super.

 

  



  



 

If you use the grease fittings ( attach grease gun hose to fitting and pump)  more often would make life so much easier!!

 

 



  



 

I have this customer being watched by the equipment abuse task force. LOL The pictures kind of tell the story. 1997 was a long time between service to the fittings. I heated it red hot and it still would not move. Grinder did the job to split the tube.

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« Reply #1 on: December 24, 2017, 11:20:59 AM »
Thanks Marty - looks like the makings of a "Rolling Wreck" there.  Yikes.
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« Reply #2 on: December 24, 2017, 11:22:15 AM »
Four different mill shown.
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« Reply #3 on: December 24, 2017, 11:43:58 AM »
Marty: thank you for your always excellent posts.
They serve as a reminder for me, that "maintenance is far cheaper than repair".
. . . . and I'm pretty sure that the Parts Department at WM does less business because of these posts.
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« Reply #4 on: December 24, 2017, 12:26:31 PM »
Four different mill shown.

Ahh - that makes more sense.
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« Reply #5 on: December 24, 2017, 12:27:13 PM »
Marty: thank you for your always excellent posts.
They serve as a reminder for me, that "maintenance is far cheaper than repair".
. . . . and I'm pretty sure that the Parts Department at WM does less business because of these posts.
Happy Holidays and the best wishes to you and yours!

I was always told that "Grease is cheaper than gears" - it has a catchy tune to it. 
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« Reply #6 on: December 24, 2017, 12:41:31 PM »
I like it!
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« Reply #7 on: December 25, 2017, 07:43:53 AM »
I grease things every day  I would rather have a little mess over being broken down because of something that could be prevented

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« Reply #8 on: December 25, 2017, 07:56:10 AM »
Southside logger,Grease is cheaper than parts,that was my Fathers saying. Even if we was only going to bale 50 bales of hay,out would come the grease gun,and grease is cheaper than parts. I can still hear him say that. Thanks for the memories.
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« Reply #9 on: December 25, 2017, 08:00:56 AM »
I learned the hard way all grease is not equal.  Always use a high pressure (red) grease rated for wheel bearings
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« Reply #10 on: December 25, 2017, 09:32:23 AM »
One of my old bosses used to say " Son ,preventive maintenance is the key. "

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« Reply #11 on: December 25, 2017, 09:41:04 AM »
No lithium grease is rated for bearings.  For use in bearings you need moly grease. Lithium is good for low pressure applications only, like pivots.
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« Reply #12 on: December 25, 2017, 11:26:56 AM »
You would need to tell that to the folks that make grease.
 

 
The grease that I use on my sawmill says Lithium and Wheel Bearing.
 

 
The key wording is: NLGI #2.  What I found out is that it will not harden and clog the sawmill's grease fittings.
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« Reply #13 on: December 25, 2017, 12:25:46 PM »
AH............ the best of both worlds.  Country and Western.    Sorry I had too.      Lazerdan

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« Reply #14 on: December 25, 2017, 12:58:38 PM »
Some moly greases can cause real issues, I won't go into that here. What I will say, is that ANY grease would've been better than what was used on the mill Marty had to fix😁
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« Reply #15 on: December 25, 2017, 01:01:55 PM »
Color doesn't necessarily mean anything, but that nlgi #2 rating does👍🏼My go to grease is blue, I know another good grease that is grey, both are nlgi #2 greases. Either would have been a great option on that LT70😂
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« Reply #16 on: December 25, 2017, 01:12:58 PM »
Yup, I have seen/used green and even blue grease with the NLGI #2 rating.  The thing to avoid is a "general purpose" grease without a rating.
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« Reply #17 on: December 25, 2017, 01:38:28 PM »
Yup, I have seen/used green and even blue grease with the NLGI #2 rating.  The thing to avoid is a "general purpose" grease without a rating.

I agree MM, but my point here was the grease used on that mill wasn't a grade or quality issue😂
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« Reply #18 on: December 25, 2017, 02:12:52 PM »
Oh, I was following you.   ;)  Marty's example was not a grease issue unless lack thereof counts.  ;D

My replies were based upon my using what I thought was a good grease and I was constantly having to use the grease "unstopper" to clear hardened grease out the grease fittings.  That has not happened since I started using the above grease.

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« Reply #19 on: December 25, 2017, 03:50:47 PM »
I noticed Marty was tapping a hole for a screw in grease cert, it would be nice if woodmizer would do this to start with, instead of using the press in certs.
Maybe they do now, but on my old mill they were pressed in, not really a huge deal, but many folks do not know what to do with them when one gets stopped up or goes bad, or even disappears.
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« Reply #20 on: December 25, 2017, 04:07:29 PM »
The last I knew they were still pressed in.  I have had to tap and replace a couple mine which wasn't a big deal.  The failures were not due to the fact that they were pressed in.  I broke them off.   :-X   :-\
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« Reply #21 on: December 25, 2017, 05:04:05 PM »
I use a red grease and it's a moly grease...
For stopped up fitting I use a grease hammer.
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« Reply #22 on: December 25, 2017, 07:36:41 PM »
I use a red grease and it's a moly grease...
For stopped up fitting I use a grease hammer.
Never seen one of them, must need sandpaper gloves to swing it. :D Just kidding.....now show me your grease hammer... Merry Christmas  ;D ;D
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« Reply #23 on: December 25, 2017, 07:43:17 PM »
Hello,
  Yes the grease fittings are pressed in. Sometimes we learn which battle to fight and which one to leave alone. Frequent cycling your grease gun on the fitting would solve most of the issue of the fittings coming out. I drill many out and tap with new fittings. 7/32 dill and 1/4" 28 tpi.
I have purchased the grease hammer tool, not had much luck with it.
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« Reply #24 on: December 25, 2017, 08:27:01 PM »
I use a red grease and it's a moly grease...
For stopped up fitting I use a grease hammer.
Never seen one of them, must need sandpaper gloves to swing it. :D Just kidding.....now show me your grease hammer... Merry Christmas  ;D ;D

 

 
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« Reply #25 on: December 25, 2017, 11:32:32 PM »
The grease hammers work great, but you have to fill them with a light oil, I usually just use diesel.
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I just use motor oil...
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« Reply #27 on: December 26, 2017, 07:29:49 AM »
Marty, I don'tremember having any trouble with the grease fittings coming out, but I don't know how many different things I have worked on that has had busted grease fittings, I have even had some new ones here lately lose the ball out of them. What I was talking about, is some folks don't know what to do with a pressed inone, when they might have changed it if it was a screwed in type.
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« Reply #28 on: December 26, 2017, 08:04:46 AM »
All grease fittings must not be equal. I've noticed that some on my equipment are really nice and fit/work great. Other equipment has rather crappy ones that either won't accept grease, fall out, or just terrible fit.

I'm guessing it's a scale-of-economics issue whereas if the manufacturer can save a few cents per fitting x 10 fittings x5000 units, that's $1500/yr.
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« Reply #29 on: December 26, 2017, 08:19:49 AM »
Most if not all of my personal grease fitting woes go back to my using what I "thought" was a good grease.  I was talking with a customer who is a logger and he made a comment about all grease was not equal.  What?  I thought grease was grease.  That is when I found out about NLGI #2.  I have not had a fitting clogged with hardened grease since then.
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« Reply #30 on: December 26, 2017, 01:11:30 PM »
I always use Lucas Red'N'Tacky#2 NLGI red grease.
On things that require "more", I use Mobile1's or Amsoil Red synthetic.

Dewalt 18V grease gun and a tube of that, equals fast-n-easy joy!!  ;D
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« Reply #31 on: December 26, 2017, 01:30:50 PM »
I use Mystic Semi-synthetic, in a Milwaukee grease gun. Anytime I have had to remove a pin on the forwarder, they are still wet with grease, and the forwarders only call for a 40 hour grease schedule. Coming from construction equipment, which we ways greased daily, it was hard to get used to greasing just once or twice a week. In fact, I used to try to be a hero and grease the forwarder daily, I finally had to give up on that because I would have grease all over my windshield🙄 The Mystic is good grease, also, the Ponsse machines use the perforated bronze bushings that hold grease very nicely.
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« Reply #32 on: December 26, 2017, 02:17:52 PM »
These things have grease fittings?  .... :laugh:(sorry, couldn`t resist

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« Reply #33 on: December 26, 2017, 06:51:09 PM »
You would need to tell that to the folks that make grease.
 

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The grease that I use on my sawmill says Lithium and Wheel Bearing.
 

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The key wording is: NLGI #2.  What I found out is that it will not harden and clog the sawmill's grease fittings.

Point taken, but I'm not going to use that stuff in my bearings. I just don't trust lithium grease for bearings,  too much load. Maybe I'm just too old school.
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« Reply #34 on: December 27, 2017, 12:43:19 AM »
My 15 foot bush hog style cutter had some frozen grease bearings (and other problems) when the service guy came out within the first year, and he zapped some of them with a propane torch to "wake them up".  Only had to replace one if I recall correctly. It's a delicate operation since grease is "probably" flammable.

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« Reply #35 on: December 27, 2017, 06:46:06 PM »
I will second that all grease fittings are created equal. It seems like the new ones are built cheaper, if that is even possible. The last two spicer u-joints I have put in my log truck had to have one of them changed right off the bat, and even one of the replacements leaked as soon as we supplied grease, so had to be changed out again.

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« Reply #36 on: December 27, 2017, 08:13:20 PM »
I'll bet cheap grease clogs easier in colder climates, too.  Used to buy cheap then realized I wasn't spending/buying all that much anyway, so I went to better stuff overall.  Fewer problems since, it seems but that is not statistically calculated.  Marty's photos are a wake up regardless if you've been skipping and/or skimping.

If you have lots to grease, might pay to buy a drum(s) and pump your own if you can settle on one type for your stuff?

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« Reply #37 on: December 27, 2017, 09:03:58 PM »
I been using schaeffers moly 238 supreme for a good while I had bought a case of it and boy thats some tough grease great for pins Ive never seen a harder grease out there.  But lately in this cold I been using some of that Lucas red n tacky cause its easier to pump.  Also have some of that mobil stuff.  Good grease is good grease I reckon
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« Reply #38 on: December 27, 2017, 10:09:29 PM »
When you say mobil, are you talking about their synthetic?

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« Reply #39 on: December 28, 2017, 07:05:00 AM »
Mobile1's synthetic is excellent....well, I think all of the good brand synthetics are. It's super-cheap "insurance" so I use good-quality grease and grease often. Well...err....truth be told: I'm just excited to use my Dewalt electric grease gun!  :D

I grease my tractor's loader, front end, and the mill's arms every 10 hours or so. It takes 10 minutes.
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Re: Service on Wood Mizer
« Reply #40 on: December 28, 2017, 02:09:41 PM »
my grease hammer worked pretty good til I put it down one day and, well you know the rest.
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Re: Service on Wood Mizer
« Reply #41 on: December 28, 2017, 02:25:16 PM »
When you say mobil, are you talking about their synthetic?




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Re: Service on Wood Mizer
« Reply #42 on: December 28, 2017, 09:20:31 PM »
X2 on Mobil Delvac Extreme.  I buy it by the case at Cat, ends up at about $4.50 a tube, cheap enough for good grease.  I could save a buck a tube at the fleet & farm place but if the machine I'm greasing costs 5-6 figures, what's a buck?
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Re: Service on Wood Mizer
« Reply #43 on: December 30, 2017, 10:51:00 PM »
Marty, can you tell me where I would find the fuse for the lube mizer on my 2016 LT40?

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« Reply #44 on: December 31, 2017, 09:26:30 AM »




I bought this grease gun fitting at the John Deere nortrax and it works great!! It will seal up and lock on like no other fitting. It will even snuff the battery operated grease gun before leaking. It seemed expensive at the time $45 but has saved a ton of time and honestly, I'm sure has got grease to fittings that might have got the (I'll get back to that later) thing.
I was taught from a ole time rock crusher guy to try to grease while shafts/bearings are turning/running (dangerous I know, I know) but this thing minimizes "hands on" time. 
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Re: Service on Wood Mizer
« Reply #45 on: December 31, 2017, 10:37:13 AM »

 

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I have one of these and use WD40 in it.   Works great.



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Re: Service on Wood Mizer
« Reply #46 on: January 01, 2018, 08:59:58 PM »
Hello,

The fuse is located behind the Lube Mizer switches. Should be 4 Phillips head screws.

Fuse should be 2 ATO Grey and 4 ATO Pink.

The 4 amp goes to the Pump

The 2 amp is for the timer module.

Best to unhook the red wire to the pump before turning on after you replace the fuse. If it still trips then it is the wiring. ( Not very common ) You then know the pump caused the fuse to blow. Winter time pump is frozen, or the pump does not like to be inactive for long times. The pump magnets will rust to the armature, if the pump runs it burns off the moisture and runs for ever.  :o well almost. You get what I am saying?

I have not had much luck removing the pump and dissembling it to fix the issue. Is has happened though. 

Hope this helps.


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