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Re: Surfacing equipment for slabs
« Reply #20 on: December 28, 2017, 09:26:10 AM »
 

 
To clarify since so many people have answered me.
We have 10 slabs 18 feet long over 40 inches wide, these are all live edge Cypress

There is an additional 8 Pecan slabs 9 feet long and 48 inches wide

We need to true fireplace mantels on a regular basis that range from 4 feet long to 12 feet long and range from 12 to 16 inches wide

In our log pile we have potential slabs to be milled from 12 feet long to 50 inches wide.

Making our own surfacing table is something we do not have time to do, we need to purchase a unit ready to go.

I currently have a Peterson ASM that I use to mill and surface large slabs. I would like to have independent equipment to do these steps. After searching the internet and this forum I have come up with several options and I would like some input from  members.
 
Baker makes a surfacing table, has anyone ever used one of theses?

I am thinking of selling my ASM and purchasing a wide slabber or wide band saw mill. Who has used one of the wide band saw mills on the market?

Can anyone recommend a surfacing table? I would use this for wide slabs, truing fireplace mantels and so on.

Thanks for the time and answers
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Re: Surfacing equipment for slabs
« Reply #21 on: December 28, 2017, 09:28:17 AM »
There are several guys out there using the Wood Wizz both for recreational/hobby reasons and Comercial/Business Related. Work load typically is dictated by how much product you have or how busy you want to be. There are guys out there that have bought one Wood Wizz already and are looking to purchase 1-2 more. I believe that speaks magnitudes to what this machine is capable of doing and how well it helps a business.


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Re: Surfacing equipment for slabs
« Reply #22 on: December 28, 2017, 09:33:08 AM »
In my experiences, with Bakers being the sole distributors, if you call Les with Wood Wizz, he will refer you back to the guys at Baker Products.

The Wood Wizz is built in Australia and distributed by Baker.  I saw it operate at the IWF in Atlanta and talked to Les Owen, the guy who designed it.  Baker is selling the bigger model and i think it is in the $15K range. It does a really good job.

 I have thought about looking to see what it would cost to buy the smaller hobby model and have it shipped from Australia.   I have also thought about buying a used Lucas mill.  Les sells a 8' surfacing blade and sander to go on them.

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Re: Surfacing equipment for slabs
« Reply #23 on: December 28, 2017, 09:54:16 AM »
tule peak timber, So my idea was similar to the baker surfacing table, only bigger, and a planer taking 16" swaths at a time.  So it would be fast.   QUESTION:  if you were building it, how wide would you go - 60"? to cover say 80-90 percent of the slabs or table tops you'd do.
  Brad I would build as wide as you can cut , and then some. 60 inches is awfully wide for a table so your estimate of 80 - 90 % is a pretty good number. We do wider stuff but break it down into pieces if we cant handle it physically.Business wise , setting up for that one in a million monster slab makes no sense to me when the gross majority of tables are 38-42 inches wide finished. Rob
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Re: Surfacing equipment for slabs
« Reply #24 on: December 30, 2017, 07:39:46 AM »
Thanks for all the information. I have made my decision to go with the Baker/Wood Wizz.
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Re: Surfacing equipment for slabs
« Reply #25 on: December 30, 2017, 09:08:25 AM »
From my chair , moving forward in the slab market is done with a little caution. Rob
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Re: Surfacing equipment for slabs
« Reply #26 on: December 30, 2017, 02:07:26 PM »
From my chair , moving forward in the slab market is done with a little caution. Rob

Agreed.  With everybody getting into it the prices are bound to drop, along with demand.
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Re: Surfacing equipment for slabs
« Reply #27 on: December 30, 2017, 02:28:09 PM »
I've been seeing several indicators here for the last year giving rise to caution. Look at a lot of the threads here on FF. Luckily I have years of dried slabs laid up and they are selling well but also a large number of buyers simply calling for pricing-not buying. The price and competition for large logs is insane. Several visitors a month come here wanting to know how to slice off " $20,000 slabs", dry them quickly, and will I do " it " for them. YIKES !!!!
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Re: Surfacing equipment for slabs
« Reply #28 on: December 30, 2017, 04:27:38 PM »
yeah, same here. I will still contract saw you slabs but no way will I cut and hold stock on my own account anymore with them. The market is oversaturated with the smaller bartop size pieces to the point where people are selling slabs cheaper then the value of the boards I could rip out of them.
Bigger stuff isnt moving much. General domestic economic conditions more then anything I think - people arent spending much.
The premium/ export market is steady but as we all know thats only a small fraction of the market and it can be a long way between sales.

I wish I had $1 for every tree that was going to cut $20k slabs people have tried to sell me.

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Re: Surfacing equipment for slabs
« Reply #29 on: December 30, 2017, 05:11:08 PM »
Bingo.
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Re: Surfacing equipment for slabs
« Reply #30 on: December 30, 2017, 05:36:28 PM »
I'd agree on the cautionary tales.  It may be a good time to be a furniture maker rather than a slab wood seller.  Or, like TulePeak develop extraordinary expertise in finishing and presenting the slabs.  Lots of folks slab and don't know how to finish and the end product is pretty ho hum to poor.
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Re: Surfacing equipment for slabs
« Reply #31 on: December 30, 2017, 06:24:27 PM »
I will keep slicing the big logs thick and wide leaving the live edge on while this market lasts. Because you can always make boards, beams, cants and the big plus is finding the figured wood too cut out of the slabs. 3"-5"-6-1/2" are safe thickness too still recover sellable product. Hot seller right now is live edge shelving 1-1/2" thick . Able to resaw some of the plain Jane slabs that don't sell well and make shelving.
 There are several big league slab sellers in NW Washington that have wharehouse full of wide slabs and they air dry for two years then dry either DH or vacuum. Some species work well Vacuum kiln straight from mill others don't. Color is a big factor.
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Re: Surfacing equipment for slabs
« Reply #32 on: December 30, 2017, 06:42:36 PM »
Red Beard....what are their prices on these tables?
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Re: Surfacing equipment for slabs
« Reply #33 on: December 30, 2017, 07:58:38 PM »
I'm with you guys.  If I was going to drop $17k, it would be on a large CNC router instead of a single function machine. 

The CNC may be slower (lower HP), but would run unattended and have additional potential revenue streams to ride out market fluctuations.
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« Reply #34 on: December 30, 2017, 08:18:16 PM »
 Poston  You could buy a nice LT 40 or TK 2000 with bells n whistles.
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Re: Surfacing equipment for slabs
« Reply #35 on: December 30, 2017, 08:44:30 PM »
I'm with you guys.  If I was going to drop $17k, it would be on a large CNC router instead of a single function machine. 
The CNC may be slower (lower HP), but would run unattended and have additional potential revenue streams to ride out market fluctuations.
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Redbeard, I'm seeing the same thing as the live edge shelving is hot, and being used for the cast iron pipe "steampunk" style shelves and furniture.  Classes are even being taught at the Big Box Stores locally.  They sell the pipe, fittings, and paint but don't have nice looking wood for the shelves.  What a shame because we have a rack of ready made shelves, 4 foot long, 8/4 live edge one side, jointed edge the other, faced and planed.  Employees who work there tell people to come see us if they want something "different".  Nice thing is, people never only buy one shelf. 
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Re: Surfacing equipment for slabs
« Reply #36 on: December 31, 2017, 02:09:55 PM »
After reading through all the information I am now leaning to a CNC router table for the 20K I will be spending, versatile and I can produce other product with a CNC table

Now for another question what CNC table manufacture for the 20K price range?

I'm with you guys.  If I was going to drop $17k, it would be on a large CNC router instead of a single function machine. 

The CNC may be slower (lower HP), but would run unattended and have additional potential revenue streams to ride out market fluctuations.
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« Reply #37 on: January 01, 2018, 02:57:40 PM »
.. . The CNC may be slower (lower HP), but would run unattended and have additional potential revenue streams to ride out market fluctuations.
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Versatility in a machine is importatnt.
Redbeard, I'm seeing the same thing as the live edge shelving is hot, and being used for the cast iron pipe "steampunk" style shelves and furniture.  Classes are even being taught at the Big Box Stores locally.  They sell the pipe, fittings, and paint but don't have nice looking wood for the shelves.  .....

I was surprised at my local big box store while Christmas shopping.
Vacuum dried, live edge slabs - in plastic wrappers!

They're produced in Quebec, and sold waaaay out West, here in Manitoba.

They're probably noticing the attendance at the "steam punk"  :D seminars and decided that there's money to be made.
Good advice in this thread re: market conditions will re-direct equipment purchases - 'cause this market seems to have shifted.
Anyone else notice these products in their area?
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« Reply #38 on: January 01, 2018, 03:05:24 PM »
The famous Poston slab for $300.00 is now mebbeee worth $140.00?
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Re: Surfacing equipment for slabs
« Reply #39 on: January 01, 2018, 03:49:22 PM »
Well, I'll be! :).   They must have been reading this thread.

Just checked the Home Depot website, approximatly $6.70 per bdft for Canadian White Pine, single side live edge.  I've been selling my pine live edge for $6, but up to 20 inches wide.  I still beat their price point.  They would not have introduced a new product stream in a saturated market, so I'm thinking the demand for 8' x 2.5" x 8"-12" is about to go up.  I'm glad I have my 20" SCMi facer/jointer.  Tule Peak, I may need to go ahead and get one of those CoMatic Jointer Feeders you helped develop.
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