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Author Topic: Logs to saw but can't saw em. Need switch.  (Read 3879 times)

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Logs to saw but can't saw em. Need switch.
« on: December 29, 2017, 12:01:20 PM »
Had a man bring in quite a few logs to saw.  Going to make boards and framing lumber out of them.  Put the first one on the mill and made about 4 cuts and the mill just died.  It was a nice big denim pine and the mill head is about 20 inches above the deck.  I start trouble shooting.  Seems to be the switch.  According to Cooks it is a 35327CAV.  I took it off and it does appear to be a Lucas 35327.  Cooks don't stock it.  He suggested I contact Perkins, which I did.  After giving the man at Perkins in Columbus Mississippi the serial number, the build number and taking pictures of the control panel and sending them to him, he told me that was supplied by Tradewinds .  He don't have the part either.  Said that was added after Perkins sold the engine.  I called one of the Tradewinds numbers, and the man took my information and then in about 15 minutes he called me back and said that their outfit was shut down untill Tuesday, Jan. 2 2018.  Oh well .  I have went by the local Carquest with several cross refrence numbers and called Napa as well as a Cat dealer in Tupelo Miss.  Cat ownes Perkins I am told.  They cant cross the number either.  I do a good bit of business on ebay, so I looked there.  You can find plenty of Lucas 35327 swithches there....but they are all in England, and it will take about 2 weeks to get here.  I ordered one, but I would like to get one before that. 

I tinkered around with it some after it quit, an got it to start, but as soon as I turned loose of the key, it died again.  Its almost like there is a kill switch gone haywire. (There are two in different places) ( it also has a bunch of tattle tale safety switches)  There was a terminal on this switch that broke off and makes me think it had a problem .... all the other terminals are good and solid ... you would have to be really trying to break one.  This one just basicly fell off.  Any one have a Lucas 35327 they want to sell? 

Here is the logs (about half of them) that I guess I will cut someday.  Banjo

  

 
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Re: Logs to saw but can't saw em. Need switch.
« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2017, 12:13:00 PM »
It is frustrating when things like you describe happen. 
I think it is becoming more common as manufacturers do not maintain their supply lines as they once did. 
I fear that it will only get worse the way things are changing in the supply business.

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Re: Logs to saw but can't saw em. Need switch.
« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2017, 12:30:45 PM »
 They use that type of switch on some agriculture equipment and lawn mowers.  Steve
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Re: Logs to saw but can't saw em. Need switch.
« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2017, 12:44:02 PM »
Nice wood, Too bad about the switch, ladylake has a good point,
Tell us more about the truck in the first pix. ;D
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« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2017, 01:08:57 PM »
Love hydraulics, hate electric.

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« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2017, 02:00:53 PM »
Pine you sure got the frustrating part right.  One thing that really got me wound up was that the switch I took off has no part number on it.  You know what that means... someone bought a box car load of them from a land far far away, and I don't mean England.   ;D  Then after I got the number from Cooks, its pass the buck time.  We didn't put it on....We didn't put it on...

Steve, This switch has 7 pins on it, and the wiring inside the control box where the switch is is loaded with an abundance of wires that go to different places and other switches, so I can't take a chance with something a little different.  The PM I got showed six...so I am scared of it.  It might work, but I cant take a chance.

I do like the hydraulics, but right now the mill is 20 inches up above the bed and I can't get it down until I can get the mill to at least run for a minute or two.   :(  Its already pretty tall, and  I had just started on a nice sized log when it quit.  You could probably rig an electric to come back down to earth.

Peter the truck is a 1957 Chevy.  It belongs to a friend of mine from North Dakota, who can't take the cold anymore.  This is his second winter to spend here on the place.  He pulls the Chevy here inside a 53 ft trailer with a tiny car on top of the bed of the Chevy.  The pull truck is a 1960 KW.  And it looks pretty sharp too.  I wonder if he brought all this cold weather down here with him.  Banjo
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Re: Logs to saw but can't saw em. Need switch.
« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2017, 02:37:59 PM »
Seems like some of these switches are not built heavy enough for the load put on them.

Had the same problem with my tractor once, it would run on the start position but when the key was let go to the run position it would stop.

I took the switch apart and it had plastic that had melted over the contact from over heating so I scraped the plastic off and used the switch until the new one came.

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« Reply #7 on: December 29, 2017, 02:47:07 PM »
Thats an idea, but this little booger is pressed together in 4 different places with a pretty good indention in each one.  If I try to get it apart to look inside i will probably bust it, and I need it for a pattern to hook up the new one with.  Banjo
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« Reply #8 on: December 29, 2017, 02:52:17 PM »
Mine has a pigtail with a plug on the end so it was easy to replace as far as wiring goes.

I use to draw wire locations out for reassembly when repairing things, now I will take a few pictures before taking things apart.

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« Reply #9 on: December 29, 2017, 02:55:09 PM »
I did both. :D  I got to loose the book and my phone to mess up.  Not that I am not capable.  Banjo
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« Reply #10 on: December 29, 2017, 02:59:09 PM »
Can`t help with the switch but was taken by the truck pic, heres mine..

 

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Re: Logs to saw but can't saw em. Need switch.
« Reply #11 on: December 29, 2017, 03:07:27 PM »
From the sound of it ,might be time to buy 2 switches.Most of my equipment is old and I've taken to doing just that,within reason.
 Good story about your friend from North Dakota.
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« Reply #12 on: December 29, 2017, 03:19:22 PM »
I did both. :D  I got to loose the book and my phone to mess up.  Not that I am not capable.  Banjo

Haha, probably not a bad plan.

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« Reply #13 on: December 29, 2017, 03:41:13 PM »
That is a very sharp truck you got there.  Vehicles back then had soul.  You could see one coming a quarter of a mile away and know what it was.  Now I need to be 20 feet away to even find my wife's kia.  It looks like a multitude of other small cars.  Its good they have come up with all the weird paint colors, its the only way to tell the difference sometimes.

I will be on the look out for another switch.  I keep a list of items that I could use a spare of for the mill and when I get a chance to pick one up at a bargain. I put it my box at the mill.  I got a relay and a woodward solenoid on the list to go with it.  I keep a small supply of toggle switches and such as well on hand.  Things that I have found will go out and are hard to find in Iuka Mississippi.  Banjo
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« Reply #14 on: December 29, 2017, 06:01:44 PM »
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« Reply #15 on: December 29, 2017, 09:26:17 PM »
Lucas; now there's part of the problem. Joe Lucas, the prince of darkness. Here's a sample of the wit and wisdom concerning Lucas electrical thingamabobbery.
http://www.mossmotoring.com/prince-darkness-joseph-lucas/
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Re: Logs to saw but can't saw em. Need switch.
« Reply #16 on: December 29, 2017, 10:29:36 PM »
It kind of sucks that they would use a switch that is not common and do not stock it either, but I guess that is just business anymore.

On a side note, what does your friend use the truck in the frst pic for?
I have a very similar truck, GMC short nose with a 453 Detroit for power.
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« Reply #17 on: December 30, 2017, 08:28:06 AM »
If you follow Kbeitz's link to Lucas you will find a detailed wiring diagram of the terminal layout. Should not take long to jump around the bad terminal. Depending on which one is bad, you can add a SPST or a momentary on switch externally until your new one arrives.

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Re: Logs to saw but can't saw em. Need switch.
« Reply #18 on: December 30, 2017, 09:30:13 AM »
Does this thing use any contactors or PLC's? 

It sounds like a contactor losing its hold voltage, the way it turns on and kicks out when you let off key.
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« Reply #19 on: December 30, 2017, 02:52:36 PM »
Thanks for the responses so far.

Kbetiz: I have ordered a switch just like that one you have pictured.  Question for any who can help,  What does the Piercing C F mean on the diagram Kbetiz had on his post?  I think I have the rest of it figured out.

As to Lucas having a bad name....not much you can do about it, as they just about have the market corned on some things.  Seems they might have been on the receiving end of some bad jokes.  I had an MG once and the main thing that it gave trouble with was the hydraulic slave cylinder on the clutch not the electrical, which I would think had a lot of Lucas stuff in.

As to the 57 Chevy truck... I think its kind of like the sawmill in the weeds that the owner just cant part with.  He did use it to pull a trailer that had all his handy man tools in... now he just cranks it up and drives it a little to keep it limbered up.  I haven't seen that he has a real need for it, but don't we all have a few things like that?

Pete, I think you have an AC 36, so you know how many wires are in that control box.  If I had pretty weather and the time, I might give it a try to try and do some by passing.  But after today there is not going to be any decent sawing weather for a week or so at least.  Supposed to be about 11 degrees here Tuesday morning, and cold all week.  My southern blood just can't handle that. 

Mike I can't answer your question cause I just don't know.  Its just a switch with contacts in it or so I would think.  Kbetiz has a picture of the back of the switch in the link of his post. 

Thanks for your interest, I will let you know how things go.  Banjo
Cooks AC 36--Prentice 210C--Morgan edger--Kubota M7040 with loader--Case 580 K with extendahoe--Case 850C dozer--Int 1700 series twin cylinder dump/log/flatbed truck--logging arch--2 Logrite mill sp.--Cat claw sharpening system--And a bulldog to make sure it all stays here.


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