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Re: Hello From NY
« Reply #20 on: January 02, 2018, 01:30:39 PM »
My recommendation would be to saw for shares only if you have a need or a sale for your share.  In 15 years of sawing I have sawed for shares only once and then only because I had a need for some Cypress lumber.  Of course this is because I am in the sawing business, not in the selling business.  Choose your market.
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Re: Hello From NY
« Reply #21 on: January 02, 2018, 02:42:20 PM »
   I'm completely in agreement with dividing the logs - if you can use the wood. I have poplar running out my ears and can go cut a tree any time I need to fill an order so it has no value to me to saw on shares.

   I will saw walnut or cherry or locust and such that I consider high value and useful on shares. I tell the customer we will divide the logs then flip a coin to see who gets which pile. I scale and write the bf on each log and divide as equally as I can. Then I show the piles and the tally for both piles and make sure the customer agrees they have been divided as equally as the logs will allow. Then I surprise him by telling him he can go ahead and pick the pile he wants. That makes him think he got the better deal. The last time I did that for a neighbor there was one log he really wanted for a fireplace mantel and was afraid he would not draw it so he was very happy with my offer. Good deal for me, stay in good graces with the neighbor and all was right with the world.

   BTW - these logs had sat on a neighbor's yard for half a mile up the road for over a year waiting for him to cut them at a cheaper price than I first offered. When he gave up on the other guy and came back and asked me to go ahead and saw them I had finished building some storage and told him I'd saw all for cash as previously discussed or could saw on halves and he is always cash poor so he was doubly happy with the offer.
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Re: Hello From NY
« Reply #22 on: January 02, 2018, 03:15:59 PM »
 Toss a coin.One  party divides the logs, the other gets to pick which pile they want.Keeps it pretty fair.I heard of 2 brothers who inherited a large farm and after a while of working together and starting families they wanted to divide the propery. Thats how they did it.
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Re: Hello From NY
« Reply #23 on: January 02, 2018, 04:31:00 PM »
If you saw for shares of lumber have your friend pick a board and the you pick
a board. Keep going till there gone...
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« Reply #24 on: January 02, 2018, 05:49:48 PM »
On my only "share" experience we both wanted as many 1X8's as possible so we alternated boards as they were sawn.  One for him and the next one for me.  He also got any of my boards that I did not want plus he had to haul off the slabs.
 

 
 

 
My share.  We were both satisfied.
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« Reply #25 on: January 04, 2018, 11:11:36 PM »
3 questions for fellow loggers

1) Does anyone know if there is a product that you can pour into a section of a cookie slice that is partially rotten in order to make it more solid  ?   I have a slice of Monterey cypress and there is a spot in middle that is rotten (which is why I cut it down), and I'd like to make a round table using the whole thing but the rotten part is only semi-solid (it's not cracking off but it is softer than the surrounding good wood.  (see photo)

2) also, does anyone know if the IPEX brand is as good as anchorseal

3) if a 2 foot diameter log of monterey cypress is left on the ground but covered from the sun and rain then how long can it be there before the wood behind the bark begins to decompose and not be usable (millable) ?  I hoping to mill it in one month or so ... but is this too late ?

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Re: Hello From NY
« Reply #26 on: January 04, 2018, 11:28:23 PM »
Hi Ronald

Welcome to the Forum.  I have seen guys use epoxy to fill in areas on the cookie like you mention, some even color the epoxy, I don't know the brand but I am sure there are wood workers on here that can direct you to one or another. 

We don't have any cypress around here so I can't specifically speak to that wood.  Not knowing where you are kind of complicates this answer as well.  For us heat raises havock with logs that are sitting out.  Pine will begin to blue stain very quickly in the summer heat around here - couple of weeks sometimes.  This time of year - no problem at all.  Same holds true for insect issues, warm, moist air = more bugs, dry, cold air = no issues at all.  So if you are in the southern hemisphere right now, then perhaps you want to get to that log as soon as possible, my gut tells me a month will not cause any major issue at all unless some critter decides it really likes your log. 
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Re: Hello From NY
« Reply #27 on: January 05, 2018, 12:04:13 AM »
I can't imagine a time when I would mill for shares of lumber, especially if I also had to haul the logs, or travel to the site.

That said, I do have an arrangement that works with some of the tree guys I buy logs from.  They bring a load of logs (for me that might be up to a dozen logs - I'm small time) and I scale and value the logs.  They pull out any logs they want milled and I mill them at my regular rates.  Any logs left (value already determined) are credited against the milling fees.  One of them runs a tab with me.  He brings logs, doesn't want a check so he gets a credit for them.  A couple of times a year he'll bring logs, or bring a customer with him, and have logs milled.  The milling fees are subtracted from his credit balance.  End of year we settle up.   
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Re: Hello From NY
« Reply #28 on: January 05, 2018, 12:10:16 AM »
the sap will start to degrade then rot after 2 years over here but the log should be good for more than 5. lift it of the ground,ie put it on gluts  but dont put a tarp over it ,that would accelerate the rotting process
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Re: Hello From NY
« Reply #29 on: January 05, 2018, 02:35:02 AM »
Like John says, Monterrey cypress will last a long time in log form. If you haven't end sealed now, don't bother. It doesn't end check badly anyway.

Off the ground, and under cover will be best. Don't wrap if under a tarp, think more like a gazebo or carport, with just a roof. Keep the sun and rain off, but let the air circulate over the logs.

It doesn't seem prone to bag attack. Only time I've seen them in it is living trees that are still green, but starting to get rot pockets. Or logs that are already badly rotted. Once it starts drying bugs don't seem interested.
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« Reply #30 on: January 05, 2018, 02:51:30 AM »
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We don't have any cypress around here so I can't specifically speak to that wood.  Not knowing where you are kind of complicates this answer as well.  For us heat raises havock with logs that are sitting out.  Pine will begin to blue stain very quickly in the summer heat around here - couple of weeks sometimes.  This time of year - no problem at all.  Same holds true for insect issues, warm, moist air = more bugs, dry, cold air = no issues at all.

You are right about pine, bugs and stain get into that fast in the warm weather.

Monterey cypress is a different beast, more like a cedar. In NZ they can grow up to maybe 9ft dia, in a bit over a 100 years.
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