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Title: Timber Frame Patio - self taught
Post by: rcarlo233 on December 14, 2017, 07:31:52 PM
I've just completed my first Timber Frame project. have a look.
it took just over a year to complete, purchasing the lumber in June of 2016 and erecting it in July of 2017
it was a long road, but a fun one. i laid out the structure in Solid Works, and then started with the knew braces, worked up to the trusses, and finished up with the main posts.  i worked over the entire winter on the project, but really got moving once spring hit.
my two buddies that are Iron Workers help me to erect it.
the hardest part was no real person to talk to about how to go about it, so after lots of reading, i figured i'd just build it one piece at a time.
i'm looking for some comments, good and bad of what i ended up with.
tell me what you think?  please!

thanks, bob


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Title: Re: Timber Frame Patio - self taught
Post by: DPatton on December 14, 2017, 08:08:29 PM
I'm not a technical guru when it comes to timberframe joinery but you my friend have created a beautify piece of work! Congratulations on a job well done.
Title: Re: Timber Frame Patio - self taught
Post by: rcarlo233 on December 14, 2017, 09:07:49 PM
Thank you DPatton,  i appreciate the comments.  have a nice Christmas
Title: Re: Timber Frame Patio - self taught
Post by: PC-Urban-Sawyer on December 14, 2017, 09:27:17 PM
Beautiful project. Well designed and exceptional execution.

Herb
Title: Re: Timber Frame Patio - self taught
Post by: MbfVA on December 15, 2017, 12:20:59 AM
 Hope ours looks that good when we're done.  "Not bad"  for the level of experience you profess.   Understatement of the year.  You certainly have developed a touch for doing the complex joinery that I have read about on here.

You probably haven't figured out yet how much fun it's going to be to show that off to your friends.
8) 8) :) :)
Title: Re: Timber Frame Patio - self taught
Post by: 50 Acre Jim on December 15, 2017, 06:54:21 AM
Beautiful Rcarlo!
Title: Re: Timber Frame Patio - self taught
Post by: WDH on December 15, 2017, 07:28:27 AM
Looks like good ole southern pine and very fine!
Title: Re: Timber Frame Patio - self taught
Post by: samandothers on December 15, 2017, 08:30:39 AM
I am no expert but it looks great to me! Congratulations on your, feat quite a creation!
Title: Re: Timber Frame Patio - self taught
Post by: rcarlo233 on December 15, 2017, 09:41:41 AM
I've built it from Larch, from a local Amish Saw Mill close to where i live.
it's supposed to be a good choice for outdoor structures, bug and mildew resistant
i ended up using a Linseed and Tung  oil with some uv and mildicide protection
it went on very easy, hoping it will look as good in the spring. i soaked it pretty well
bob
Title: Re: Timber Frame Patio - self taught
Post by: scsmith42 on December 15, 2017, 10:50:42 AM
Bob, that is very nicely done, and very artistic.

I for one would like to see more pictures.  Especially of the king post on the front.

Thx.

Scott
Title: Re: Timber Frame Patio - self taught
Post by: scrout on December 15, 2017, 12:14:57 PM
Where's the beef?   I think we just found it, looks like it could hold a tank on it.
Title: Re: Timber Frame Patio - self taught
Post by: bbaley on December 15, 2017, 02:06:01 PM
Quote from: rcarlo233 on December 14, 2017, 07:31:52 PM
I've just completed my first Timber Frame project. have a look.
it took just over a year to complete, purchasing the lumber in June of 2016 and erecting it in July of 2017
it was a long road, but a fun one. i laid out the structure in Solid Works, and then started with the knew braces, worked up to the trusses, and finished up with the main posts.  i worked over the entire winter on the project, but really got moving once spring hit.
my two buddies that are Iron Workers help me to erect it.
the hardest part was no real person to talk to about how to go about it, so after lots of reading, i figured i'd just build it one piece at a time.
i'm looking for some comments, good and bad of what i ended up with.
tell me what you think?  please!

thanks, bob


It's beautiful !
What is the span ?
Title: Re: Timber Frame Patio - self taught
Post by: Crusarius on December 15, 2017, 02:10:46 PM
I am envious and jealous. That is beautiful. Maybe some day I can aspire to that level. Right now I am better equipped for steel. cut it wrong, weld it back together and do it again. Not so much with wood :)
Title: Re: Timber Frame Patio - self taught
Post by: rcarlo233 on December 15, 2017, 08:34:34 PM
scsmith42 - here are a couple more pictures for you.  the king post was fun to make, there are a lot of cuts/holes in these posts, and without the posts being exactly straight it was quite interesting to cut.
what i ended up doing was to use a level to reference my plane. so i cut one of the Haunch cuts, then used a level to be sure the next Haunch was parallel to the first, and then on the opposite side, i re-leveled the Haunch and cut the other side parallel.  one of the King posts twisted about 5/8 of an inch so it was interesting cutting them.
have a look, see what you think
i posted more pictures in my gallery as well

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bob
Title: Re: Timber Frame Patio - self taught
Post by: Farm29 on December 18, 2017, 08:51:16 AM
That looks really good I'm decently no expert but always dreamed of building a structure like that I got to help erect my uncles timber frame house and I don't know what is is about driving wood pegs but I'd do it again in a heart beat first I'd better learn milling before I move to joinery awesome project and awesome job  8)
Title: Re: Timber Frame Patio - self taught
Post by: rcarlo233 on December 24, 2017, 03:14:31 PM
Here is a video of the Peg Making Process
i used a Hydraulic Log Splitter as a Broaching Machine to drive the Oak Pegs through a Die.  the die is cutting an Octagon shape about 0.020" under the nominal 1" that the holes are.  the points of the peg penetrate about 1/32" into the 1" ID Hole.
i ended up making about 200 pegs in just a couple hours
the planks i used were rough cut 1" oak.  i started by cutting the pieces to length, in this case 12".  then split 1" wide pieces to ensure the grain was straight.
once i had the square blank, i was able to drive it through the die to shape the outside.
it worked really well, and much much faster than hand shaving the pegs down to size.
i work in a pretty large machine shop, so was able to make the die up at work.
the octagon shapes have some relief on the back side, but a square cutting edge.  it's made from a basic A2 Tool Steel hardened to 60rc.
i made two sizes, one set was 10" long, for the 8" thick timbers, the others were 12" long for the 10" timbers.  i ended up cutting them just 1" longer at the end, because i wanted them a little shorter.
have a look, see what you think. .

here's the YouTube Video link  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrwSld2DdkM&feature=youtu.be

if someone knows how to get the video to run within the post, i'm all ears :)

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Title: Re: Timber Frame Patio - self taught
Post by: Ljohnsaw on December 24, 2017, 03:34:20 PM
Nice set up!  Looked like you were going to try and do 3 at a time?  Too difficult to get them all lined up?  Or are those for different diameter pegs?
Title: Re: Timber Frame Patio - self taught
Post by: WDH on December 24, 2017, 06:56:52 PM
Very ingenious. 
Title: Re: Timber Frame Patio - self taught
Post by: DPatton on December 24, 2017, 09:14:54 PM

Looks like it really works slick!
Title: Re: Timber Frame Patio - self taught
Post by: ChrisGermany on December 25, 2017, 08:51:50 PM
Not bad at all, brother. A heck of a lot prettier than I could make. Good on you!  ;D
Title: Re: Timber Frame Patio - self taught
Post by: rcarlo233 on December 26, 2017, 09:57:34 AM
Quote from: ljohnsaw on December 24, 2017, 03:34:20 PM
Nice set up!  Looked like you were going to try and do 3 at a time?  Too difficult to get them all lined up?  Or are those for different diameter pegs?

The Extra Holes are different sizes. when i made up the tool i wasn't sure what type of fit i was going to have. so i made 5 holes total, in 0.020" increments, from nominal to plus 0.04", and Minus 0.04", this way i'd be sure to be able to fit the pegs to the hole i was drilling.
it's a little nerve racking driving your first peg, as you already spent a lot of work on the job and you don't want to split the timber. 
they drove in really nice, and seem to be pretty tight.  only time will tell.
i lubed up the hole prior to driving in the peg, so everything went together very nice.

bob
Title: Re: Timber Frame Patio - self taught
Post by: scsmith42 on December 26, 2017, 10:37:30 AM
Very clever Bob.  Thanks for the additional pix too. 

Are you already thinking about your next timber frame project?
Title: Re: Timber Frame Patio - self taught
Post by: rcarlo233 on December 26, 2017, 01:52:01 PM
Quote from: scsmith42 on December 26, 2017, 10:37:30 AM
Very clever Bob.  Thanks for the additional pix too. 

Are you already thinking about your next timber frame project?

Ironically, I'm thinking of building a Large Table and some furniture, plus an outdoor bar or something.  i see you make Slabs?  where are you located?
I'm in Wilson NY.
I have some boards left from the trees I had the timbers cut from, so i was thinking of making the table from them.
I wanted to incorporate a truss like structure as the table base, with the same acorn tip as my trusses.  i thought it would look nice.

secondly, I thought I'd make a small piece like an end table to show how the pieces fit together. not to many people understand the mortise and tenon structure, so if the end table was made like this, then i could have the pins loose fitting, so i could take it apart and show how it all fits together.  what do you think?
Title: Re: Timber Frame Patio - self taught
Post by: scsmith42 on December 26, 2017, 03:32:22 PM
Quote from: rcarlo233 on December 26, 2017, 01:52:01 PM
Quote from: scsmith42 on December 26, 2017, 10:37:30 AM
Very clever Bob.  Thanks for the additional pix too. 

Are you already thinking about your next timber frame project?

Ironically, I'm thinking of building a Large Table and some furniture, plus an outdoor bar or something.  i see you make Slabs?  where are you located?
I'm in Wilson NY.
I have some boards left from the trees I had the timbers cut from, so i was thinking of making the table from them.
I wanted to incorporate a truss like structure as the table base, with the same acorn tip as my trusses.  i thought it would look nice.

secondly, I thought I'd make a small piece like an end table to show how the pieces fit together. not to many people understand the mortise and tenon structure, so if the end table was made like this, then i could have the pins loose fitting, so i could take it apart and show how it all fits together.  what do you think?

Both good ideas.  I can see where a large slab table made using timberframe joinery would be really attractive.

In answer to your question I'm in New Hill, NC, about 30 miles SW of Raleigh.
Title: Re: Timber Frame Patio - self taught
Post by: rcarlo233 on December 28, 2017, 04:35:14 PM
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Custom Made Post Mount, laser cut with my logo
All the mounting hardware I used was stainless steel
The post sits onto a 1" riser to keep the lumber off the concrete
I used 1/2 all-thread and finished them off with ss acorn nuts
A little artistic features, and you have yourself a nice post mount like none-other
The Cement Piers are 18" in diameter, and minimum 48" in the ground for a solid base
I squared them off on the top to allow the Pavers to fit snug, rather than trying to fit around a circle.

bob