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Started by SCSawyer, January 03, 2009, 06:10:38 PM

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SCSawyer

hey guys just needing some ideas I have already bought a trailer and mounted a swing arm in the front center and I plan on mounting a winch to this so I can pic up all these free logs around any idea how big a winch i need ? ie.1500lb or what? Its just to much trouble to load the tractor un load take logs home go back load tractor again.
Silas S. Roberts , Bluff Mtn. Timber

pineywoods

Assuming you talking electric winch ? Bigger is better, I'd go with at least 3000
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SCSawyer

yes electric 12 volt I didnt really know the weight of decent size logs to go by
Silas S. Roberts , Bluff Mtn. Timber

tyb525

There's a log weight calc in the forum extras. Of course you gotta factor in sliding resistance
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wtf

Don't know about the free logs (my free logs have dryied up ) but I'd go 8000 lb. You could parbuckle up the side or pull them up the end with a gin-pole, or if the trailer tilts, that works well too.
PS. you might look at electric over hydraulic also.


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tyb525

I pull logs up from the back, my sides are too high for it to be practical to pull them up over the sides.
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breederman

Search for DanG-DeadHeader log lifter here on the forum.
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Ironwood

Definitely Fla Deadheader set up, simple stupid, cheap, effective. There it covered everything necessary for me to be interested ;D Really cool design.

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sgschwend

My experience with 12V lifting winches is that they lift far less than specified.  I wish I could say how much less, it is something like half or less.  So the 80000 pound suggested earlier is probably a good choice. 

One last thing, be sure and set a large battery next to the winch and use big cables, don't skimp on the cable size.
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Chuck White


Also, keep in mind that some winches are not made for lifting, just pulling!
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jander3

I use a manual 1500# winch with a brake.   I can lift 800# without much effort.   The brake holds the load in place and prevents freewheeling.


Warren

I think most winches are rated for max pull with the first layer of cable on the spool.  As you add more cable to the spool (diameter increases) the pulling capacity goes down. 

Winches are one area where I think it is better to err on the "Bigger is better" side of the equation....
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Dodgy Loner

If money's an issue, you may look into manual winches instead of electric.  I can mount two manual winches on my trailer and have used them to purbuckle several logs in the 3000-5000 lb. range with little effort.  I don't know what the winches are rated for, I got them for free from a friend.  I can tell you they are very heavy duty :).
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        Chek out portable winch,You could use it in your wood lot,and 100's of other uses.
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mike_van

You can pretty much double any winches pull by using a snatch block on the load. 
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Dakota

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metalspinner

I've got an 8000lb electric on the front of mine and have yet to find a log that cannot be loaded.

Including this one...;D





With all the weight you are putting into motion, you do not want to be wondering if your winch can handle it while it's on the way up. ;)
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SCSawyer

Quote from: breederman on January 03, 2009, 08:20:39 PM
Search for DanG-DeadHeader log lifter here on the forum.
Alright dan explain how this contraption works ?

Silas S. Roberts , Bluff Mtn. Timber

bck

I have a #9000 electric winch and like metalspinner I have yet to find a log it wont load. Just be sure to start with a fresh battery. I am using a 1000cca battery and can load several big logs with it but I wouldnt try (  :) again  :) ) for two trips without recharging the battery each trip.

stumpy

I have a setup like Dakota.  It works great.  I use a 10,000# Warn winch and even though this setup doesn't do a dead pull, It grunts a bit on huge logs.
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ohsoloco

It's been mentioned already, but winch most winches are rated for rolling weight, like a vehicle.  I have a 9,000 lb. winch on my trailer, just drag them up the back, and I gotta use a snatch block on the big'uns.

DanG

Quote from: SCSawyer on January 04, 2009, 02:54:07 PM
Quote from: breederman on January 03, 2009, 08:20:39 PM
Search for DanG-DeadHeader log lifter here on the forum.
Alright dan explain how this contraption works ?



SCSawyer, the one pictured was built and owned by Getoverit.  He built his as an A frame, which seems to work pretty well.  The principle is simple.  The arch is hinged at the bottom, and you simply lower it by reversing the winch, which is attached to the top.  Once you've lowered it an appropriate amount, which will be obvious, you simply attach the end of the log to the top, via a chain or cable, and winch it forward.  As it moves forward, the top of the arch also gets higher, which lifts the end of the log onto the trailer.  At that point, you can either lower it and reattach the log further back, or simply hook the winch directly to the log and drag it aboard.  It works really good on a trailer that is low, with rails or wheels that are higher than the bed.  I used a 10,500lb Milemarker hydraulic winch on mine.  Getoverit had a 8000lb Harbor Freight electric on his and it worked well too.
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bandmiller2

Si,electric winches are quick and easy but have kinda severe duty cycle limits and will bring a battery to its knees fast.What I did was get a commercial grade electric winch with a burned out motor [common]and mounted a hydraulic motor in its place,unlimited duty cycle,easy control.If you have any way to get hyd. give it some thought.Junk yards seem to always have big old pto winches around too hard for the average person to hook up.A real winch small gas engine and alot of cable, yard and load.Frank C.
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SCSawyer

Silas S. Roberts , Bluff Mtn. Timber

ohsoloco

I mounted a master disconnect switch in my engine compartment, and hooked it up to the battery with some 2/0 welding cable, then ran the same 2/0 cable from the switch to the back of the truck along the frame.  Used a connector I got at a welding shop to hook up the cable to the winch that's mounted on the trailer.  I also have to hook up the ground cable on the winch to the bumper of the truck.  Let the truck run when I'm winching logs.  Never had any ill effects to the truck or battery.

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