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Started by tlandrum, October 17, 2012, 08:42:02 PM

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Quote from: sealark37 on October 20, 2012, 10:07:09 AM
Judging from the horror stories I hear about loggers and their ethics, I am amazed that skidders and trucks are still left in the woods, unattended.  Seems that property owners most always get the short end of the stick when it comes to selling their timber to loggers.  After sitting in on a "negotiation" between my neighbor and his logger, I would not even wish to be within 30 feet of the logger in a public place.  It must be tough living with so many landowners having you on the top of their list.  There must be some honest loggers out there, but they certainly keep a low profile.  Regards, Clark
The flip side is landowners can be just as bad as the worst logger out there. I have figured out it is as important to interview the seller as it is to see what the wood and ground is like. Some folks are not worth dealing with no matter how good the woodlot is..

jd540b

Quote from: sealark37 on October 20, 2012, 10:07:09 AM
Judging from the horror stories I hear about loggers and their ethics, I am amazed that skidders and trucks are still left in the woods, unattended.  Seems that property owners most always get the short end of the stick when it comes to selling their timber to loggers.  After sitting in on a "negotiation" between my neighbor and his logger, I would not even wish to be within 30 feet of the logger in a public place.  It must be tough living with so many landowners having you on the top of their list.  There must be some honest loggers out there, but they certainly keep a low profile.  Regards, Clark
If a landowner falls victim to a pirate logger, they have noone to blame but themselves.  There are plenty of good loggers out there and plenty of resources available to find them...word of mouth and reputation being the least of which.  I would say amen to the last post as well, many times the landowners are the unethical ones......I have tiptoed away from a few myself.

jd540b

As far as "landowners getting the short end of the stick when selling their timber" maybe they should have a go at cutting it themselves and see how lucrative and easy it is.......

thecfarm

I am very happy with my logger and the money I get. I usually get a good amount of green stuff when he's here. I get a feeling some landowners don't get much sometimes for whatever reason. And if the hunters knew anything about deer and logging  they would welcome the loggers. I see more deer when I'm cutting than any other time. My step son came to see me once and could not believe the deer that he saw when we was standing there. No big deal I said to him, I see it every day. Than the deer come back the following year to feed on the new sprouts.
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Quote from: jd540b on October 20, 2012, 04:26:09 PM
As far as "landowners getting the short end of the stick when selling their timber" maybe they should have a go at cutting it themselves and see how lucrative and easy it is.......
the thing I find amusing is I show up with logging equipment people think it cost NOTHING to run. Show up with the excavator @ 130/hr plus the move no problem.

Ken

We've actually been very fortunate around here with respect to equipment vandals.  Last fall someone took the the valve stems out of my porter tires but didn't do any damage.  Someone also dropped some sand in the skidder fuel tank about 10 years ago.  A few years back a hunter shot the window of a harvester that was parked alongside a woodlot.  Other than that we have been lucky.  I do however suspect that fuel thefts will continue to rise as the price of heating oil climbs so am more cautious where I leave my fuel barrel.
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Quote from: Bobus2003 on October 18, 2012, 07:42:43 PM
Also had "Tree Murderers" written on the Windows of his skidder

I assume that whoever wrote that has furniture made entirely of plastic and lives in a house that is made with brick or stone walls and that has a metal roof. 

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hardtailjohn

On a somewhat different tangent.... I was running a grader one time and came to work on Monday and found a note taped to a broken window, with a guy's name and number and a $50 bill, saying he'd gotten stuck and had to break into the grader to get pulled out. He hoped the $50 would cover it. I called him back and thanked him for his honesty and sent him the change (about 20 years ago, the small flat window he broke didn't cost much).
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thecfarm

Loren,hope they don't use toilet paper either.  ::)  There is no way to do it,but every time someone tries to argue the "You should not cut trees" point with me,I would like to press a button that does away with all wood products for a month and than hear them say the same thing in a month.   ;)
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gjersy

Sorry to hear about the vandalism, Im blocking my logging road with my skidder to keep the hunters out (they're wrecking,rutting, beyond use, my logging road), I have the county boards permission to block. Anyway I'm worried about the same thing happening to my skidder. These punks need to be brought to justice hope the long arm of the law catches the perps. 
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Ron Scott

Blocking or rutting up hunter's access with a skidder or any equipment to make them impassable into their regular hunting areas especially during the rifle deer season is a sure way to invite vandalism to the equipment. We usually pull out of the woods during the two week rifle deer season, at least the first week anyway. ;)
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Jeff

That's what I was going to say. By intentionally blocking a hunter's path to a place they are accustomed to having access to, and I use the term hunter very loosely in this instance, you are just inviting trouble.

Back in the mid 80's, we parked a timberjack skidder out of the way on a state job in gladwin county for the weekend. It may have been bird season, but not firearms deer. That was a small job where we provided the grapple skidder and loader truck for a three man crew. It was the end of the job, where the loader was hauled off late saturday afternoon and it was decided to go back and get the skidder on Monday morning.  When the driver got there, he found what was left of the skidder still smoking. It was burnt up in the front end, but the back end, which had a brand new set of tires on it from the week before was untouched. At first it was thought that something in the wiring must have caused the fire, but on further inspection, it was found that the big brass fuel tank screw cover that has the big timberjack mule on it was gone. That's when we knew it had been vandalized.
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gjersy

This road was built by loggers for access to logging only, it's bermed most of the time, hunters can't drive in there, they are not accustomed to having access to the road. The only time the berm is down is during logging operations like now and there not allowed to use it then either. If they try to climb berm they get big fines, anyway the job will be done by the regular 9 day gun season and i'll berm it back up. If they want to hunt in there they have to walk in it's the law. the forester won't let me put a cable up because of liability issues. But he will let me put big concrete culverts in the way so I got some coming mid week. I just wish people respected the county signs that are up, that should be enough. Yes it's a good idea to pull out of the woods during the 9 day gun deer hunt or the equipment might get it. Did they catch the perps that burned your Timber-jack?
If life gives you lemons, throw 'em into a quart of vodka.

Jeff

Nope, they never did. If it would have happened 10 years later, we probably could have kept a look out on ebay for the fuel cap.
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lumberjack48

If i didn't pull off the job, i worked everyday during hunting season. Around here they all drive around or over berm-ed roads including the locals. Trying to block roads here would just pee people off, including the locals. It seems easier to just kind of let go of it for 9 days or you'll have a small war on your hands. A lot of the old roads they try to block these guys have been using for 50+ years.
Third generation logger, owner operator, 30 yrs felling experience with pole skidder. I got my neck broke back in 89, left me a quad. The wife kept the job going up to 96.

gjersy

Yep, go hunting during deer gun season! Thats what we do, meat for the fam good times. Might work a couple days but my .300 mag is by my side ready 4 venison.
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tlandrum

any hunter worth a crap as a human being would respect a mans property ,his equipment and his livelyhood and hunt elsewhere. if i catch who damaged my skidder they better pray to god that im not in the position to phsically get to them. i promiss bodily harm will come to them. who in there right mind would destroy another mans way of making a living. i have employees that depend on the stuff as well as i do. ive got deer hanging on my wall from 120 class to 170 class and never tresspassed ,vandalized,poached, or interupted any loggers in the process of getting them. good lord foks just be a man worth his salt and not bother others stuff. i dont guess the jerks that vandalized my skidder realize what lengths ill go to to put them behind bars or give them a long dirt nap.
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gjersy

Ur'e right tlandrum! I've tented out to catch the punks! Good Times!
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lumberjack48

Their not only hunting deer ! This was about 35 yrs ago, i was up at the local pub having a beer. A friends wife was setting at the end of the bar talking to the bar maid. friend of hers. A couple deer hunter were setting between us, i heard one of them say something about the women. I wasn't sure what he said, so i asked him. He said thats one of the reasons they come up north to hunt, because all the women are like she dogs in heat. I took him off the stool with the first swing, and had the other one by the neck, while the bartender pried my fingers from around his throat, he told-em they weren't welcome anymore.

Deer hunting season around here was just like the New Orleans Mardi Gras
Third generation logger, owner operator, 30 yrs felling experience with pole skidder. I got my neck broke back in 89, left me a quad. The wife kept the job going up to 96.

gjersy

Awesome Lumberjack48! You're a brethren 4-sure!
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Okrafarmer

I wish we could still do that now, LJ. Nowadays, we'd end up in jail for assault.
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WDH

The problem we have here in Georgia is that the gun season for deer is 3 months long  :).  You can't wait out the hunters. 
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Okrafarmer

Here too. If I remember right, it's from the middle of October through the end of December. 2.5 months.

I haven't hunted in probably 5 years, 'cuz I just don't have time. I can raise my meat a lot easier, and know where it is.  ;D

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