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Found this old planer setting outdoors on a hill and decided to rescue it and get it running again if possible

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I now have a pile of parts on my workshop floor.

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Got the cutter head bolts out yesterday . They look ok I think.

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Still a bit more to remove and things to unstick and then start to clean and paint.

Interesting project and I am learning a lot as I go

Quebecnewf

Great... I'll be watching... Nice to see someone else doing the rust thing.

Yes I saw you are into the rust as well. I think you are far ahead of me in this dept. This is my first real rebuild. Sad to say I do not weld so I have to be real careful not to break anything. This unit has come apart very good so far. I have been using a mix of ATFand acetone mixed 50/50 . Seems to be doing the trick. Glad I got all those cutter head bolts out without breaking any. I do have some stuck shafts that are a concern. Still have not went at them with full force yet. Just heating and squirting so far. Giving them time and notice that they are going to come loose one way or the other.

Quebecnewf

I don't use a lot of force. If something does not move like a bolt
I just bump it back and forth many many times. You can't see it
but it is probably moving maybe only a 1000's of an inch. That will
grow. Next thing you know it's moving 2000's of and inch. I have
spent an hour tapping a wrench one way then the other without
seeing it move. Keep at it and you will win.

Cast iron parts can be soaked in muriatic acid to completely remove rust and make them look new, flush well. Planers are a finicky machine requiring much adjustment and maintenance. After your complete teardown it will hide no secrets from you and you will not hesitate to make needed adjustments. Frank C.

Great project.  I have a similar but different 24" Porter planer that I haven't started on yet.  Who's the maker of yours?  What will you power it with? 

You probably know, lots of ways to remove rust, including plain old cleaning vinegar, citric acid, the commercial rust remover chemicals and electrolysis. 

Those curved spokes suggest it is very old. Any info?

When you get it finished and want to keep it looking good
and you want a slippery top get a can of (SlipIt Sliding Compound).
It also protects it from rusting again. This stuff is great for table saws.



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Quote from: grouch on August 21, 2017, 09:14:16 AM
Those curved spokes suggest it is very old. Any info?

As do the counterweights versus springs. 

Here's what I know. The planer is badged Bournival . This was a guy ( Doctor) in Montreal who had a business selling woodworking machines . Machine was made by Continental Machine Works in Montreal. Their production line was bought out by Jos Poitras ( my three sided planer was made by Jos Poitras. They in turn were bought out by General tools of Drummondville . Small, world. No idea of the age maybe 1940 ,s . Not sure about that.

Quebecnewf

I was one told the all curved spokes are made in England or out of USA.
All straight spokes are made in USA.

Sign up over at OWWM.org  (old wood working machines) and post a picture.  Those guys know everything about vintage machinery.

Quote from: Quebecnewf on August 21, 2017, 05:41:47 PM
Here's what I know. The planer is badged Bournival . This was a guy ( Doctor) in Montreal who had a business selling woodworking machines . Machine was made by Continental Machine Works in Montreal. Their production line was bought out by Jos Poitras ( my three sided planer was made by Jos Poitras. They in turn were bought out by General tools of Drummondville . Small, world. No idea of the age maybe 1940 ,s . Not sure about that.

Quebecnewf

That's were most of this info came from . Been posting over there as . Lots of good info to be had

Quebecnewf

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Spent the day up righting my kiln that blew over last fall

Hey!
It's good to see that "high wind casualty" being put right-side up again!
Will you install ground anchors and cables as hold downs this time?

Also, looks like a great planer find.
Looking forward to seeing more photos of the clean up and restoration project.

Quote from: Kbeitz on August 21, 2017, 06:29:55 PM
I was one told the all curved spokes are made in England or out of USA.
All straight spokes are made in USA.

Curved castings were made to relieve stresses regardless of country of origin. See, e.g., the old curved wrenches that became the focus of a collector fad a few years ago.

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The upright went well. Got it pulled back near its original location . Will shore it up in the coming days and make some repairs . Inside will be gutted and redone , water damage .

Quebecnewf

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Just need to be jacked, levelled and shored

Quebecnewf.

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Got the rest of the planer took apart yesterday . Time to start cleaning and painting . Then hope that I took enough pictures to put it back together again

Quebecnewf

Quote from: Quebecnewf on August 22, 2017, 05:55:31 AM
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Just need to be jacked, levelled and shored

Quebecnewf.

And anchored. ;)

Your planer looks like a great project.  Keep us in the loop, and good luck on the refurb.  Regards, Clark

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Got all the cutter head bolts removed. They look good. Just need new washers.
Big believer in the 50/50 acetone and ATF mix as a release agent. I never broke a bolt on the whole tear down.
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Bed all cleaned up and ready for painting .

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Getting some painting done.

Now looking for

A place In Canada if possible to get info and buy some flat belts.
A place in Canada if possible to buy a small amount of Babbitt

A power supply maybe a new or good second hand engine gas or diesel

Some method to clutch in this engine after startup . Maybe a PTO but most likely just something jury rigged to move the engine and put tension on the belt.

I'm sure you guys have pics of some of your setups that will help me in this regard.

Please feel free to jump in with any comments. This is a new road for me .

Quebecnewf

Does that have the square heads in it ?

Yes this is a square head machine . It has an 18" wide cut .

Quebecnewf

I was at an auction and no one would bid on a planer because it was a square head.
They said it was a widow maker. Very dangerous. I guess they kick like a mule.
Please don't get hurt.

Be careful and never stand behind the planer when in use. I had a close friend who was almost killed when one kicked a board back. He spent over a month in the hospital with ruptured intestine and torn liver. It took him a year to recover.

I have heard that said a few times as well. I think kickback can be traced to two causes. Improperly set up planer and or feeding stock with too great a thickness difference.
Just because a planer of this type can hog of a1/4" of wood at a time does not mean  you should do so . As I'm feeding lumber into my planers now I am always feeling the thickness as I handle each board. If I feel a thick one it gets tossed aside to be fed in its own later. I am only planing the lumber I saw and I watch my sawing carefully .

Never had kickback yet . Hopefully with good setup, good sawing , and good feeding habits ( no standing behind a board ) I can avoid this problem .

Quebecnewf

Also looking into installing anti kickback Pawls as a safety add on .

I suffered a kickback from a square head planer. It gave me a compound fracture of my arm. I was in the hospital for a week. I would not use a square machine.   :(   Muggs

Try a outfit that makes belts for swathers, potato Conveyors etc, I googled flat pulley flat belts, lots to look up. Here is a babbit supplier.
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Bob

Quote from: muggs on September 04, 2017, 09:53:14 AM
I suffered a kickback from a square head planer. It gave me a compound fracture of my arm. I was in the hospital for a week. I would not use a square machine.   :(   Muggs

Very sorry to hear that., Now that the incident is over and looking back . What caused the kickback? Operator error . Improperly set up machine ? Something else ?

As we know these machines were used for many years and I am sure there were accidents as there still is today with new " modern " machines

Quote from: rjwoelk on September 04, 2017, 10:31:35 AM
Try a outfit that makes belts for swathers, potato Conveyors etc, I googled flat pulley flat belts, lots to look up. Here is a babbit supplier.
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Bob

Thanks so much will check it out

Quebecnewf

There is a place in Williamsport pa. that will make you a spiral head for you
for that machine.

I set up the planer when I was young and dumb. I set the knife projection too far, taking too big of a bite. Once the board got past the front feed roller nothing was holding it. The board came out at the speed of the cutterhead. The difference between the square and the round cutter head is, the round is self limiting, where the square head is not. The same machine also threw a knife, breaking the table.

The set up is very important on these machines. If you do something wrong they do not forgive . That being said this wil be my first square head so I am carefully studying all the aspects of proper setup.

Do you know the cause of the thrown knife?

Quebecnewf

Quote from: Kbeitz on September 04, 2017, 12:22:30 PM
There is a place in Williamsport pa. that will make you a spiral head for you
for that machine.

Can you send a link . It might be worth checking that out

Quebecnewf

I believe the thrown knife was caused by using it past its prime. Too short. Another reason for not liking square heads, is the noise. They do not cut through the air like a round cylinder does.    Muggs

Now that is strange . It was my understanding that square heads were the quiet ones. If I am correct there was a video on YouTube showing this. I am sure there will be some of the learned folks on this forum who will chime in on this .

So without being too judgemental both problems with the unsafe square head were caused by human error.

Quebecnewf

I could see the square head making a bit more wind noise but round or square, a straight blade is going to make more noise in the wood.  The advantages of a spiral head is it will take less power to make a cut and, with the right design, changing the blade is cheaper.

My old Yates 199 jointer, 2000 lbs. round head has two blades on Babbit bearings.
When I looked into the spiral head conversion, the prevailing thought was that more power was needed because more "cutting edge" was in the wood at any given moment.
I haven't searched here on the FF, but if memory serves, it was a discussion about Grizzly planers, spiral heads and the amount of power needed before and after a conversion.
I've decided to leave my jointer the way it is, 'cause the babbits are in good shape and will probably outlast me.

Quebecnewf, this may deserve some looking into as you pick a motor to drive the planer.

I just do not see a spiral head in my future for this machine. I am going to use it as the first pass machine in dressing out rough lumber after that it goes to the three sided planer.

My next big thing is getting the belting in order. Looking now on line for flat belts and an engine to drive it.

Quebecnewf

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Got her all rebuilt . Just waiting for a new engine . Should have that today and a couple of new v pulleys .

Will, most likely move her by floating dock to the sawmill site in the next few weeks before the weather gets too cold .

My plan is to do a test run in front of my workshop before the move to be sure everything works . Will try to get a small video and post that.

Overall very pleased with this project . Have what I think is a good old tool. Saved it from the scrap heap . Total money invested about 1500.00 . Most of that was for the new engine .
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Quebecnewf

You did a fine job bring that back to life.

Well done!  The pleasure derived from doing a working restoration on old iron is ongoing.....you get to save a great vintage piece that would otherwise be gone forever and you get a wonderful tool useful for more generations.  Anyone with funds can go buy something new.... it takes a special interest to save and restore some vintage iron.  Looks good.

What is your engine plan?

I picked up a 24" American planer.

I have a long term plan of putting it on a trailer with a small engine to power it.

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Planning to use this new 15 hp Lifan engine. A knockoff of an Honda I guess. I have read mostly good things about them .

I am planning to mount it above the planer on a sort of step ladder wooden set of bedding . I guess a picture will be needed to explain this . I will post it once I get it built. So far it is just a pic  in my head, and it's not a clear pic.

Quebecnewf

I'm trying to figure out how to make a chip blower part of it too.

Man, that looks nice, good job.
On the kickback, we had an old 1904 square head machine in one shop I worked in and it did shatter a friends hand as he was feeding multiple sticks and had his hand on the end of one pushing it in when it kicked back.
These machines usually had a solid front feed roller as opposed to sectional feed. A solid feed roller climbs up on top of the thickest point and is holding only at that point, side to side it might be able to feed from 2 points since the roller is sliding up and down at each end. a sectional feed roller has essentially multiple feed wheels floating on a driveshaft, every inch or so a spring loaded feed wheel section can drop down and adjust to a different thickness. Solid infeed is fine for one board at a time but if you feed in several sticks and one is thin... don't be surprised if it comes back out of the machine. My friend was rough planing 2x2 sticks, the planer had a 24" wide mouth and he was keeping several sticks going. When we realized the feed rate this knocked us back to they got a new old planer, moved up bout 50 years to one with sectional feed and we could again feed multiple sticks at a time. Anyway, that was a roundabout way of saying in a kickback like those the square head might be partially responsible but the feed and the way it is fed are also part of it.

And John Deere colors to boot.  Nice Job, smiley_clapping

Now in the process of trying to fab up an A frame over the planer . The drive engine will go where the pulley sets . Once I get it finished that is .
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Meanwhile we are finishing up the last of our logs and getting them dressed out and ready to deliver.

A load of mostly 2x material sawed,planed and butted for a customer
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Quebecnewf

As always, your work ethic is impressive.

Quebecnewf - are the triangle shaped stacks the way you air dry your lumber?
. . . and is the A frame for shipping the planer to the mill site?
Keep the photos ands post coming - very interesting !

Fantastic looking restoration!

I've run round heads and square heads and the only one that ever kicked was a round head. 8 ft 2x4 sent about 50 feet and stuck in a pack of lumber and had only dropped about a foot in that distance. And the problem was human error.

I'm sure you checked that you have the right rotation. ;D

Quote from: fishfighter on November 03, 2017, 06:24:18 AM
I'm sure you checked that you have the right rotation. ;D

Yup, but when there is nothing holding the board, you're at the mercy of that rotation.  And that is something to be feared be it round or square.

Quote from: Darrel on November 03, 2017, 12:24:34 AM
Fantastic looking restoration!

I've run round heads and square heads and the only one that ever kicked was a round head. 8 ft 2x4 sent about 50 feet and stuck in a pack of lumber and had only dropped about a foot in that distance. And the problem was human error.

Can you elaborate further on the error and what happened?

Quote from: Andries on November 02, 2017, 11:08:32 PM
Quebecnewf - are the triangle shaped stacks the way you air dry your lumber?
. . . and is the A frame for shipping the planer to the mill site?
Keep the photos ands post coming - very interesting !

We pack triangle for drying lumber quite often . No stickers needed and it dries flat .

The a frame is the bedding for the gas engine .

Quebecnewf

It was a 4 head moulder with a 4"x8" capacity that we were using to surface all four sides of 2x4s. For what ever reason, this particular board got stuck and wouldn't move and the power reverse wouldn't back it out. So being young and not really knowing any better I loosened up the hold downs and fences, And it still wouldn't move forward or backwards. I then raised the feed rollers and just like that the board was gone!  I could see it and then I couldn't. When the 2x4 disappeared, I did hear a funny noise however. There was a guy standing near the infeed end of the moulder and it missed him by only a couple of inches.  He didn't even know it had gone by!

 :D I did something similar with a 5 head machine. The shop I was working in had bought a 4 head through feed molder with a universal 5th head option bolted on the rear. It was a neat head, I could put it under, over, or on either side of the board. The last feed wheel was behind the 4th, top, head on the main machine and the 5th head was push fed from the stock behind it. I don't know what I was thinking, you know where this is going  :D. I set up a base cap cutter on the 5th head but had it climb cutting. When that first stick was pushed past the last feed wheel I had walked to the rear and had my hand lightly around the stick looking and feeling. The next thing I knew was there was kindling falling off the far wall and I had a couple of nice cuts across my hand... oops.

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Have the motor mounted. It set on a hinged board and can be cranked up and down to tighten the belts. A poor mans clutch .

I still have to add some bracing and then once my belts arrive it should be good to go.

This frame will be removed when I move the unit to the sawmill then reinstalled once the planer is in place there.

Will run everything here in the workshop and if that test goes well it will be time to move .
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Some 2x4x12 packed triangle for a contractor customer . He had never seen this method either. Was very impressed how straight and dry the lumber was when he came in to do the job .
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They replaced this bridge with a new alum one. The 2x4 and 4x4 we cut was used for the cement form work on each end ..

Quebecnewf

Belts have finally arrived . Should be making chips tomorrow , if all, goes well .

Wish me luck


Quebecnewf

Good luck!

What HP is your motor?

My engine is a 15 hp Lifan

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Posted this short video of the first run of the old planer . Ran real smooth and quiet.

Very pleased

Quebecnewf

Very nice! 8)

You did a very nice job rebuilding that planer and adapting it to the gas motor.

That machine is very similar to a 24" J.A. Fay  Co. 24" skip planer that I passed along to a friend who restored it for a working museum down in Georgia.  Very similar castings and adjustments.

Nice work!

 smiley_clapping

That's gorgeous!  Now what sort of wood crafting will that enable during the long winter?

Maybe you could fabricate some type of sheet metal side guards? Those gears and belts could grab some lose clothing or a finger pretty quick.

Wow, that is really nice!  Would it originally have had guards or shields around all the moving gears and flywheels?

Quote from: SlowJoeCrow on November 12, 2017, 06:53:21 AM
Wow, that is really nice!  Would it originally have had guards or shields around all the moving gears and flywheels?

No.  They did not come with guards.  There are copies of original brochures for machines of this vintage at the vintagemachinery.org website, and none of them, including my 1916 30" Whitney #32 planer, were manufactured with guards.

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Quote from: SlowJoeCrow on November 12, 2017, 06:53:21 AM
Wow, that is really nice!  Would it originally have had guards or shields around all the moving gears and flywheels?

No.  They did not come with guards.  There are copies of original brochures for machines of this vintage at the vintagemachinery.org website, and none of them, including my 1916 30" Whitney #32 planer, were manufactured with guards.

Yep, pre-OSHA and pre-Lawyers... ;)

Back in the old days I don't think any tools had guards.
I know my Cresent band saw had none.



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In those days they figured that if you weren't smart enough to keep yourself out of moving machinery, you weren't smart enough to use the body parts you lost.

Don't let any hipsters run it!! :D :D

Those days were natural selection. I miss those days :)

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Fabed up some anti kick back Pawls for the old planer. Gave them a test run. They work real well .

Quebecnewf

Looks good!  I assume they are sharpened where they make contact with the lumber so they will dig in in the event of a kickback.

No there was no need to sharpen them . The bungee cord puts a little downward pressure on them and that is enough to make them dig in . Another good point you can release them very easily.

Quebecnewf

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Decided to move planer to sawmill site yesterday . Here it is all strapped on sleigh and ready for trip to sawmill
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This is the hill we have to get over. Made it almost to the top , got stuck, hooked up second snowmobile and made it to the top .
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Heading down the back side . Sawmill in the distance 
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All tucked into the new home . Ready to go to work come spring .

Quebecnewf 

@Quebecnewf (http://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=2408)  Great job there for sure.  Those blades look like the ones on my chipper!!!  Do you have any photos of the triangle stacking you use?  I have never seen that and am wondering if we could use it down here.  Thanks

The triangle stacking is very simple . Lay three PCs of whatever your stacking in a triangle and just keep adding rows. You can , if you wish put 3 or 4 pcs in each leg of the triangle in order to get as much as possible in each stack before it gets too high .

The contractor who we made the stacks for in the pic ( 2x4x12)  had never seen this stacking system either. He was very impressed with the quality of the lumber and how dry and straight it was. Given the quality of the material being found at the big box stores now that is no suprise .

Quebecnewf 

That's called crib stacking and was actually pretty common back in the day with SYP in the south. End racking up here with hardwoods was pretty common too. There was a demonstration rack my neighbor set up a Mabry Mill years ago, it may be gone by now.

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Are those yellow counter weights on the long yellow arms on the bottom of the planer?  Are they for the downpressure feed rollers?  

@Don P (http://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=17) do know if that dried SYP faster that our modern sticker stacking?

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Are those yellow counter weights on the long yellow arms on the bottom of the planer?  Are they for the downpressure feed rollers?  

Naa - that's just to give it some weight so it does not bounce around, you can see how flimsy that thing is.  (https://forestryforum.com/board/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif)

 :D :D :D

Nice job,

Quote from: Southside logger on February 25, 2018, 01:21:07 PM
@Don P (http://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=17) do know if that dried SYP faster that our modern sticker stacking?

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We have the old planer set up at the mill now. We have been doing some spring sawing . Going to make the first planer run later today . Have about forty pcs. Of 2x4x12' that we are going to dress four sides.

This will be the first real trial of the old planer . Pic will be posted later tonight . 

I have rebuilt the old engine that came with the planer . Carb needed rebuilding . Many thanks to good guy from The Smokstak Forum ( angry sailor ) for the rebuild. Started the second pull and runs smooth and strong . 
Quebecnewf 

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Here is the old engine . It's a Montgomery /Onan . Made in Brazil of all places. 

Around 10 hp I think 

Quebecnewf 

No pic today. Ran the planer a bit but having issues with the belt lashing that I used. Did manage to plane about 10 pcs. And that looked real nice.

Try again tomorrow with new lashing . Maybe pics tomorrow.

Quebecnewf 

Flat belt planer running after 18 years - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0QGtLdvSR8&sns=em)


A short video of planer . Ran 50 pcs of 2x4x12 through it . Once I get all the belting issues sorted it's going to be a great machine. Ran these 50 pcs . Very smooth finish . Planes at a good clip . I was just keeping 2 pcs at a time in the throat but I am sure if I was wanting to you could easily run 3 pcs at a time . Very little vibiration this is where the 1000 lbs of weight comes into play.

Was a great thrill to see it run again . When I think back to how it looked at the first I am more than pleased .

Quebecnewf  

Great job on the restoration!  Always nice to see old iron running again!

Very good chance that I will be getting another planer ( same name as the other ) to rebuild in the coming  weeks . Will post pics if I get the deal done .

Quebecnewf 

Other planer has arrived and the rebuild has started. Same name as the first one but 20" and a round head .

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Planer is in much better shape than the first one .

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This big old electric motor came with it .3 hp /220V . Runs real smooth but weighs 100 lb .

More pics to follow

Quebecnewf

I'd bet that is an honest 3 work horses. If you ran it I'm guessing its single phase 240 volt.
The planer looks about identical, was the round head stock or swapped out later? A round head produces a better cut if that factors into keeping one or the other.

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First tore it down


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Then painting and cleaning 

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Then start rebuilding

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Going to be an amazing machine I think .

QUEBECNEWF 

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Got the old electric motor all cleaned and painted . Ready to work again . 

Quebecnewf 

Like your metal floor 8) 8)

 
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Quote from: Quebecnewf on September 04, 2018, 06:57:34 PM

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Holy crap I can't believe I've missed this thread!!!
I have to give you a standing ovation for what I've seen even though I've only skimmed this thread (it's 2am and I've been working all night recommissioning my kiln).
I cannot wait to read it in detail tomorrow.
Congratulations and great work!

What a great pair of machines. i have to old old planers 1 is a 20in and the other is 24in i hope to set them up so i can plane 2 sided sorry no pics at this time

 
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I found a few Pics

 
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 We're going to need more ,and better pics  from you Jimparamedic . Those are just teaser pics. You really can't see the machine very well . We're also going to need a bit of history of the machines. Once you start at this there is no halfway.

Got my second machine running . Will post a small video later today on YouTube and put a link here. Going to also swap out the v belts for flat belts . It's the look more than anything .

A couple pics

Quebecnewf

I will get some better pics those are old. I like the idea of putting the motor over top the machine its like its hooked up to a line shaft. i believe that my planer is an American Jewel. there are no tags or markings. The family i got it from said their dad and grandad bought it when they built there home in the very early 1900.