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Title: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on May 17, 2016, 11:39:02 PM
I am finally working on the sawmill. Here is some pictures of what I have been doing this week. I had to buy a welder and teach myself how to use it. The welding is getting easier every day. Did some bartering with a fabricator he got his stuff done and I got the shaft. So Had to start welding myself a little slow at first but going good now. I hope to have the log stops and the locks on the sawmill frame in the next couple of days. I will post more pics tomorrow of the saw mill boxes I am building for the head and bearing holders for the pulley shafts sure takes a lot of time prepping everything to weld and the grinder has gotten me a few times. LOL   

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Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Ljohnsaw on May 17, 2016, 11:48:07 PM
Larry, do you have an iPhone??  You might want to look at your post on a normal computer and see if you can rotate your pictures - I'm getting dizzy! :D

Did you build the trailer frame or did you purchase that and are adding your mill track?  Looks pretty heavy duty!  Tandem axle to boot - planning on hauling logs with it as well?  Did you put on the removable hitch?
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Picky2016 on May 18, 2016, 06:54:16 AM
Nice bed, I'm watching. Giving me some ideas for my next build lol.
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on May 18, 2016, 07:38:53 PM
Quote from: ljohnsaw on May 17, 2016, 11:48:07 PM
Larry, do you have an iPhone??  You might want to look at your post on a normal computer and see if you can rotate your pictures - I'm getting dizzy! :D

Did you build the trailer frame or did you purchase that and are adding your mill track?  Looks pretty heavy duty!  Tandem axle to boot - planning on hauling logs with it as well?  Did you put on the removable hitch?
I did buy the trailer but I have been rebuilding it I have pics in my gallery of what I started with and I did put the removeable hitch on it I hate hitting my shins  thanks
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on May 18, 2016, 07:39:51 PM
Quote from: Picky2016 on May 18, 2016, 06:54:16 AM
Nice bed, I'm watching. Giving me some ideas for my next build lol.
Thanks
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Ox on May 18, 2016, 08:00:15 PM
Looks stout and with nice paint.  Mills like to rust what with the wet sawdust and all.
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on May 18, 2016, 08:09:36 PM
Here is more pics of what I got done today Sawmill tension box, log stops installed,and Saw Mount Drive Pulley Arbor and idle side pulley arbor 

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Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on May 18, 2016, 08:14:00 PM
Quote from: Ox on May 18, 2016, 08:00:15 PM
Looks stout and with nice paint.  Mills like to rust what with the wet sawdust and all.
Thanks tractor paint. Sanded Primer and 2 coats should last a little while. LOL I hope
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: tnaz on May 18, 2016, 08:42:57 PM
Looking good!!!
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Ljohnsaw on May 18, 2016, 11:49:14 PM
Larry, I thought you had welded on the angle iron for your carriage to ride on but that doesn't look like the case.  What will your saw head be traveling on?
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on May 19, 2016, 12:51:54 AM
Quote from: ljohnsaw on May 18, 2016, 11:49:14 PM
Larry, I thought you had welded on the angle iron for your carriage to ride on but that doesn't look like the case.  What will your saw head be traveling on?
On the bottom outside angle I will weld 1x1 angle upside down so the v groove wheel Ride on upside down angle. I just Ordered the wheels tonight. Plan on making the sawmill lift boxes, and the log locks tomorrow
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on May 19, 2016, 09:46:37 PM
Didn't get much accomplished today spent the day chasing down welding gas and looking through the scrap yard for more steel. Got one of the moveable log locks built, and cut the bottom of the log back stops out so they will slide up and down instead of making different lengths of the stops 

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Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on May 20, 2016, 10:04:38 AM
John, I did figure out how to rotate the pics in the gallery but I am not sure how to rotate the ones that are in the post Sorry, I see I can rotate them when posting
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: pineywoods on May 20, 2016, 10:09:57 AM
Larry, I think you have missed an important point.  There are NO pics in your post, only a link to the pic in the gallery...therefore fixing the gallery takes care of the problem...Keep it up, your build looks quite well done...
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Ljohnsaw on May 20, 2016, 11:09:26 AM
Quote from: pineywoods on May 20, 2016, 10:09:57 AM
Larry, I think you have missed an important point.  There are NO pics in your post, only a link to the pic in the gallery...therefore fixing the gallery takes care of the problem...Keep it up, your build looks quite well done...
Well, yes and no.  IIRC, Jeff posted a thread about fixing pictures.  Yes, you fixed them in your gallery.  But go back up the thread and you will see a couple of pics that are stretched.  Jeff stated that  IF the "modify" is still available on those posts, you can click on that, delete the link to the picture and the re-insert the edited picture link.  Then all will be good.
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on May 20, 2016, 05:07:00 PM
John, I looked at my post and Pineywoods said I have no pics in my post I looked at the post and the pics are showing up when I look at the post. I hope they are showing up thanks for your help and sorry about the bad pics
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Ljohnsaw on May 20, 2016, 06:12:35 PM
NO, what Piney was saying is that your pictures are NOT IN your posts, there are LINKS to your gallery in your posts.  So, when you alter a picture in your gallery, it changes things in your posts where that picture is referenced (linked).  The thing that Jeff mentioned is when you rotate a picture, the original link had some information in it on how it should be displayed.  When you rotate a picture, the length and width are swapped.  But the original link in your post doesn't know that and it will be stretched or squashed one way or another.  This is why you need to delete the link and re-insert (re-link) your picture with the new information.  Hopefully that makes sense.
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on May 20, 2016, 10:32:15 PM
Thanks John i will try that thanks
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on May 20, 2016, 11:09:31 PM
I got the log stops cut so they will go up and Down Still have to weld a bolt on the side of the log stops  Got the log locks built and one installed before the welder quit working This is all that I GOT DONE TODAY. I HOPE THESE PICS ARE DONE RIGHT  lol

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Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on May 21, 2016, 09:50:28 PM
Thanks Pineywoods, Coming from you means a lot. I have been admiring your work for about a year now. If you see anything that I can do it improve anything I am all ears.I am just trying to get it to cut some wood. then I plan on adding hydraulics after words I would have had the saw head built but my cheap welder died, gotta wait till Monday to order the part for the welder. I am going to use wheel chair motors for the up/down and drive the saw head forward and reverse. Thanks again
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on June 02, 2016, 11:19:41 PM
New welder finally came in and got the saw mill boxes built. They will ride up and down on 3x3 square tube 

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Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Ox on June 03, 2016, 08:34:34 AM
Good way to do it - take the piece you want as a base and weld things around it until it fits!  Custom, I think, is the word.  Nice job.  Looks good and rugged like your frame.
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Czech_Made on June 03, 2016, 08:41:27 AM
Coming along nicely  smiley_thumbsup
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on June 05, 2016, 10:14:04 PM
Got a little more built today I got the saw head T's built still got finish the wheel covers hopefully Bye the end of the week I will have a rolling saw head. Thanks everyone for your comments and if you see something that would be better please speak your mind I am all ears 

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Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: 4x4American on June 05, 2016, 10:17:34 PM
Lookin real good!
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: MikeZ on June 05, 2016, 10:41:18 PM
larrydown60- Looks very sturdy. I weighed my complete rolling mill head after new upgrades, it weighed 1160#. Kind of surprised me. You are going to be right up there also, that is some serious steel you have going there.
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on June 05, 2016, 11:16:14 PM
MikeZ, Yes I am worried about the total weight might have to got motor vehicle to adjust the weight.
Everything in the saw head is 3x3x3/16  and 1/4 plate  but there shouldn't be any twisting going LOL
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: MikeZ on June 05, 2016, 11:39:25 PM
larry- Dang it. I just spent 10 minutes typing and my session timed out before I got it posted. Anyway I was telling you that is the same mat'l I used. I originally had planned on a single upright with one drive motor for my acme screw drive, but as I progressed thought better safe than sorry so added second drive motor to other side. Also used the springs for lift assist and needed 2 more vertical posts for stuff. Second set of posts are 1/8". Keep up the good work and try to envision everything you might want to mount or add because it's a lot easier done now.
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Ga Mtn Man on June 05, 2016, 11:55:47 PM
MikeZ, if you're referring to your Forestry Forum login timing out, you can set it to keep you logged in indefinitely.  If it's some sort of internet connection timing out, you can type your post in an email or Word document and then copy and paste it to the forum without having to worry about losing all your work.
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on June 06, 2016, 04:11:01 AM
MikeZ, I am planing on adding 2 more 2x2 for the back post to hang the gas tank and water tank and going to use acme 7/8-6 to raise the saw up and down thanks for your comments and compliments.I figured I would weld them after I get the saw frame mounted on the track just becaue of the weight difference. the saw frame is going to to be around 70" tall after all the gears and cover go on the top 3x3 post. thanks Larry
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on June 08, 2016, 09:41:24 PM
Got a few more things built over the last few days Got the stabilizing legs built and all the log holders installed. If anyone see anything that I am doing wrong please tell me thanks

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Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Ox on June 09, 2016, 08:44:12 AM
Can't see anything wrong - looks like one of the stouter homemade mills.  Things generally don't seem to show up wrong until you need to use something and you find out something's messed up then it's like, duhhhhhh, what was I thinking.
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Ga Mtn Man on June 09, 2016, 09:26:21 PM
That is looking really good!  The only thing I've noticed that might be a problem is the weld bead between the top of your log bunks and the cant stops.  It could cause the cant to lift when you clamp it tight.
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on June 09, 2016, 10:52:21 PM
Thanks OX And Ga Mtn Man thanks for the heads up I will Grind the welds out in the morning Thanks again all feedback is welcome will have more pics in the next day or two
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on June 10, 2016, 09:25:15 PM
Update  here is a few more pics of what I got done today I also got the trailer weighed today it came in at 2340 without the saw head I got stabilizers installed and painted I also got everything prepped to install the angle iron and welded and saw head installed tomorrow 

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Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on June 10, 2016, 09:30:14 PM
Quote from: ljohnsaw on May 18, 2016, 11:49:14 PM
Larry, I thought you had welded on the angle iron for your carriage to ride on but that doesn't look like the case.  What will your saw head be traveling on?
ljohnsaw here is a few pics of how the saw head will be installed thanks again for all the Help getting the pic posting straightened out
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: 4x4American on June 10, 2016, 10:45:44 PM
Good eye, Paul.

Larry what you might like is what Cook's has on their ac-36 they have spikes that force the cant down into the bed and get a good grip.  I believe they have a 6 part video on youtube on their ac36 and it should show that in there.  Prolly a good video to watch for other ideas.  I see you already copied their paint job lol.  Looking great!
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Magicman on June 10, 2016, 10:53:52 PM
I may have missed it but I see a need for a wiper fore & aft of the rollers to remove sawdust or rather to prevent sawdust buildup.
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on June 10, 2016, 11:58:01 PM
Thanks 4x4 I have seen the video will watch it again
Thanks Magicman Cooks sawmill has a plastic wiper on there mill that I like the look of and Plan on installing something similar.I am getting excited I am just getting it ready to do some manual milling first then I will add all the hydraulics and electric motors after I get to mill some wood. I can't wait to try it out it has been about 1 1/2 years of reading all the posts on this forum and drooling all over the pictures. I did buy a set of  sawmill plans, but if you look at the pics you will see a little bit of something from all the mills. I hope to have it sawing in the 2-3 weeks I will keep posting pics of the progress Then I will be needing a lot of help with some of the finishing touches Like how to do a lever to engage the drive belt and wiring of electric motors hopefully I won't drive everyone crazy Thanks
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on June 11, 2016, 09:42:27 PM
Not much accomplished today Got the saw head T's set on the track And Run out of gas for the welder can't get any till Monday

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Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: 4x4American on June 11, 2016, 10:53:35 PM
I think you can get gas at TSC if you're desperate
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on June 11, 2016, 11:24:21 PM
4x4 they want 250.00  for a small tank and won't exchange my tank I'll just wait till Monday for a 40.00 tank exchange
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: thecfarm on June 12, 2016, 06:46:05 AM
Too late now,but on the Thomas that I have they put a 2x3 piece of angle iron on edge and run what looks like the same type of wheels that you have in reply #34,3rd picture down. No need for wipers.
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on June 12, 2016, 10:01:49 AM
Quote from: thecfarm on June 12, 2016, 06:46:05 AM
Too late now,but on the Thomas that I have they put a 2x3 piece of angle iron on edge and run what looks like the same type of wheels that you have in reply #34,3rd picture down. No need for wipers.
Thanks thecfarm I built this with the intention of putting the wipers on the front of the wheels magicman suggested before and after which I will do. I thought there would be a lot of side to side movement in the wheels riding on top of the angle Cooks saw mill has the wipers on their mill that I like and it looks simple to make and add to my mill
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Joe Hillmann on June 12, 2016, 12:12:51 PM



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You may not want to fully guard the top of your carriage wheels like that.  On my mill the wheels get packed with sawdust and it needs to be picked out.  With the guards you won't see when it gets packed in or be able to easily get it out.  Although if you have brushes before and after the wheels to remove the sawdust from the track it may not be an issue.

Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on June 12, 2016, 01:10:20 PM
Thanks Joe Hillmann for the heads up I will keep my eye on the wheels and if it becomes a problem I can always pull the wheels and drill a couple of holes to make clean out easier
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Kbeitz on June 12, 2016, 06:07:27 PM
I never yet had any sawdust get under my wheels...



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Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: never finished on June 12, 2016, 08:54:37 PM
 Kbeitz, you need to saw a big ole pile of syp. It gets every where, and sticks every where it gets.
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Kbeitz on June 12, 2016, 09:02:10 PM
I dont think that will happen. We dont have that up here in Pa.
I did saw a lot of white pine but I still had no problem with buildup.
I'm sure someday I will find something that will need lube.
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on June 12, 2016, 10:39:00 PM
Some more pics of the top cross member with different views all I could get done before gas tank ran out. it fits between the side t's

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Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Ljohnsaw on June 12, 2016, 10:45:49 PM
Larry,
You really need to invest in a good old Lincoln arc welder!  I've had mine for 29 years now.  So much cheaper to run than gas.  I have both and much prefer stick welding.  Its faster, too.  And on the plus side, you can see when you are running low on sticks. ;)  That last bit of acetylene can sure disappear fast!  I save the gas for whenever I need to heat up something to bend it or to braze.
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on June 12, 2016, 11:14:45 PM
ljohnsaw I just got rid of my old tomb stone lincoln 225 arc welder could not get the hang of it the mig welder is a lot easier to use for me I don't think the valve on the tank worked right on the last tank I noticed this tank the pressure kept dropping even with the valve turned off.
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Ox on June 13, 2016, 12:29:17 AM
You can still tack weld things until you get gas to run a bead.
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: sandsawmill14 on June 13, 2016, 05:36:04 AM
its about as dirty as a stick welder but i use the flux core for almost all my wire welding i can use the gas to mig weld with the same machine but the flux core does fine  :) but at least 95% of my welding is done with my stick welder  :D i keep at last 50lb of rods on hand all the time but right now i have over a 100lb left i was at a salvage yard were they sell used electrical parts and equipment and saw 3 boxes of welding rods on a shelf and ask what he would take for them and he said 25 bucks a box and i said i will take all you got ;D the problem was he only had the 3 boxes  :-\ they were 6011 and 6013 but if you know how to weld they will work fine on mild steel but the 7018 is my go to rod for pretty much everything but at 50 cents a pound i will use these till they are gone unless it is cast or something under high stress load then i will use the 7018 , nickel , or stainless depending on what it is :)
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Kbeitz on June 13, 2016, 05:51:53 AM
I'm with you on the ARC welder. Years ago I bought a $3500.00 Mig machine and it sits unused.
My X bought me a Sears buss box when I was 16 years old and thats what I still love.
Most of my rods come from the junkyard. For every 10 boxes I find about 3 are good.
Once I found 800lbs of Nicad rods. I learned to weld cast real fast. Today they sell for around
3-4 dollars each rod. Mig is great for new xlean metals but I weld a lot of old rusty stuff.
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: sandsawmill14 on June 13, 2016, 06:14:54 AM
the old rusty metal is where the 6011 shines just take a hammer and beat the flakey stuff off and it will weld like new steel :)  which helps me alot cause i dont buy new steel until i have been to all the scrap yards to see what i can find ;D :D :D :D i have bought a lot  I & H beams and heavy channel from scrap yards  :)
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Kbeitz on June 13, 2016, 06:27:06 AM
I just had to post this... I think I own the oldest electric welder. I've had this posted
for around 8 years on the internet asking if anyone could come up with one thats
older. No one has yet. It's a DC welder and it works great. I tryed it one time to
just see if it still worked.



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Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on June 13, 2016, 08:32:31 AM
Thanks guys For tigering my mind I have 4-5 rolls of flux cored wire in my tool box ::) only problem is it is Monday and I can refill my tank 8) what an idiot I am could have finished my saw head yesterday with all the flux cored wire
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: fishfighter on June 13, 2016, 08:39:38 AM
Quote from: never finished on June 12, 2016, 08:54:37 PM
Kbeitz, you need to saw a big ole pile of syp. It gets every where, and sticks every where it gets.

I saw a lot of it and don't have any problems with it sticking on my wheels. I have the same wheels like Kbeitz. To help keep the wheels clean, Woodland had installed some about 3/8" cable that rides above the wheels and loops around half the wheel front and back sides.

Once it stops raining, I will try to get a picture of the set up.
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: caveman on June 13, 2016, 09:14:09 AM
 Ijohnsaw stated "That last bit of acetylene can sure disappear fast!  I save the gas for whenever I need to heat up something to bend it or to braze."

I would not recommend using acetylene as a shielding gas for gas metallic arc welding (MIG).  Usually CO2, or a combination of Argon and CO2 (75%Argon/25%CO2 for example) are appropriate shielding gases.  On new or clean metal, the MIG process should be much more time efficient.  Even with painted or rusty metal, I usually prefer to clean it and use a MIG welder. 

If you are running out of gas quicker than you think you should, it may pay off to check your hose, fittings and regulator with soapy water to determine if you have leaks.  I worked for a guy who was a miser and he would adjust the regulator/flowmeter as low as possible without compromising the weld quality.  This was in a Florida shop in July.  He would also lower the roll up doors to only be open a foot or so to reduce breezes that would blow the shielding gas away from the welds.

For me, it is much easier to get decent out of position welds using a properly set up MIG welder than using a stick machine.  Good luck with your build.  I admire anyone who can build a functional mill.  There are so many variables to consider.
Caveman
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: fishfighter on June 13, 2016, 09:52:49 AM
Here are a couple pictures of how my mill wheel cleaning system is.



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As you can see, the wheel and track stay clean. Very easy to install these. Hope it helps.
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Czech_Made on June 13, 2016, 10:27:26 AM
Ingenious!

Quote from: fishfighter on June 13, 2016, 09:52:49 AM
Here are a couple pictures of how my mill wheel cleaning system is.



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As you can see, the wheel and track stay clean. Very easy to install these. Hope it helps.
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: fishfighter on June 13, 2016, 11:05:34 AM
I had nothing to do with it. Woodland mills did it all. :D
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Ox on June 13, 2016, 11:22:19 AM
Elegant simplicity always brings a tear to my eye.  :'( :D
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on June 13, 2016, 11:32:53 AM
Fishfighter thanks for taking the time to take pics  It has given me some ideas like drilling a hole in the top of wheel cover and using a little bigger cable because my wheels are wider. Thanks for the help
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: plowboyswr on June 13, 2016, 11:50:35 PM
Fishfighter thanks for taking the time on the picture that'll help me out on mine.
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: fishfighter on June 14, 2016, 05:50:36 AM
Was no problem. Guys here has help me out a bunch. 8)
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on June 18, 2016, 08:39:28 PM
A few more pics of what I got built today. This is the frame top cross member with tie down for the saw head and bearing holders on top  and acme rod support on the bottom saw mount boxes on. Tomorrow I will square everything up and weld the crossmember in and square up the saw track and weld that in place. Next up the motor mount and saw mount. 

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Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: fishfighter on June 18, 2016, 09:33:41 PM
Looking good. You going to need a crane to ;oft that head off once you done. ;D
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on June 18, 2016, 10:52:44 PM
Quote from: fishfighter on June 18, 2016, 09:33:41 PM
Looking good. You going to need a crane to ;oft that head off once you done. ;D
Thanks It will fall off easier than lifting it off lol
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Ox on June 19, 2016, 08:59:05 AM
Look nice a shady there too!  There's not much out there worse than welding on a hot day in full sun.  Unless you're not a sweatin' type person.
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on June 19, 2016, 11:12:45 PM
Quote from: Ox on June 19, 2016, 08:59:05 AM
Look nice a shady there too!  There's not much out there worse than welding on a hot day in full sun.  Unless you're not a sweatin' type person.
The only reason it is shady in the pic is because it is around 730 pm other wise I am in full sun all day unless I go set under a big maple in the back yard lol
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: valley ranch on June 20, 2016, 02:59:51 AM
Looking good Larry!







I'll see if I can install cable to keep the wheels clean like some of the guys have, my wheels are covered so it won't be that easy to get to.
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on June 20, 2016, 11:04:20 PM
Valley ranch Thanks and thinking of  drilling a couple of holes in the wheel cover  shouldn't be hard to do
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on June 23, 2016, 09:28:10 PM
Ok I will update yesterday everything I welded had to taken apart today. Last night I just had to say enough is enough and turn the lights out and start over today. Here is some pics of the saw mount I built over again today got saw plates built so I can mount the saw arbors and the guide posts installed and the Idle tension box installed and mounted the Idle side arbor plate installed on the tensioner Tomorrow I will get the engine mount built and installed on the saw mount. 

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Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Ox on June 23, 2016, 10:20:55 PM
Ugh.  Having to do things over again sucks so bad...  Don't feel like the lone ranger, bud.  I completely understand as it happened to me more than once.  Just realize it won't last forever and sometime you'll be done and milling.  Looking like good metalworking skills anyways.
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on June 23, 2016, 10:52:42 PM
Thanks Ox I have never done any welding or metal work before I am an ex carpenter by trade building this mill has been a good learning experience maybe 3-4 weeks and it will be finished and ready to mill some wood I hope
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Ox on June 24, 2016, 08:47:29 AM
Building a mill that cuts straight and nice is one of the hardest things I've ever done.  It may be up there for you too by the time you're done!  It took me over 2 months working on it every day between 2 to 6 hours.  I'm looking forward to seeing your end product as it looks super large and rugged.
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on June 24, 2016, 09:59:42 PM
Thanks Ox I started almost a year and a half ago. I bought a saw mill someone started but they got killed when a tree fell on him before he could finish it. His parents and had it setting on their farm and kept having to move out of the way they sold the farm and sold the saw mill mill to me for 500.00 great deal till I got it home and found out the saw head was 6" out of square and bent. It also had a camper frame under the saw mill frame I couldn't see having 2 frames so I took the axles off the camper frame and started all over again that is the story and I am sticking to it. the rest is pictured in my gallery
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on June 24, 2016, 10:14:18 PM
Here is some more pics of today's accomplishment got the motor mount built and ready to weld to the saw mount bottom of the mount will have a threaded rod to tighten the belt tension the motor mount slides back and forth as you can see in pics gotta to f order some 1-14 fine thread rod  to finish the sliding mount

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Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: fishfighter on June 25, 2016, 04:47:12 AM
That will make things easy when adjusting.
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on June 25, 2016, 10:41:31 AM
Forgot one pic of the saw head all squared up and welded and painted all ready found one problem with middle stableizers they hit the saw head when they are up and I need to add my acme suopprts yet so I will need to take a piece of tube and move them out 6 " from the frame

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Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on June 25, 2016, 10:53:30 AM
If anyone has any Ideas of how I need to mount the fenders and make them removable I am all eyes and ears thanks Here is a pic of my fenders sitting on wheels

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Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: fishfighter on June 25, 2016, 11:14:35 AM
Weld some tabs to the fenders and weld some slots that the tabs will slide in. Then drill some holes for quick connect pins.
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Kbeitz on June 25, 2016, 11:16:46 AM
Two tubes welded to the frame...
Fenders slide into the tubeing...



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Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on June 25, 2016, 10:43:12 PM
Thanks fishfighter and Kbeitz the pics make world of difference I think I can do that thank you  Kbeitz I will definitely need your help when I get to the wiring. I can do about everything but wiring when it comes to wiring I am dumber than an Ice cube LOL
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Kbeitz on June 26, 2016, 01:46:17 AM
Start with this and add safety switches and fuses or whatever you want later...



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Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on June 26, 2016, 10:23:02 PM
Just a few pics of the saw mount got everything finish welded and and ready for paint

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Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Ox on June 27, 2016, 07:45:36 PM
Too bad steel didn't stay that way, huh?
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on July 07, 2016, 11:05:41 PM
A little bit more finished today I got all the tensioners finished on the Idle tensioner motor mount slide and the idle side blade guide to much going on with family coming in town for the long weekend hope to get the motor arbor built tomorrow and then the blade covers built maybe over the weekend.

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Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Ox on July 08, 2016, 08:01:17 AM
Noice.  Thinking outside the box and building super rugged to boot is a winner in my book.
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on July 08, 2016, 03:35:57 PM
Thanks OX it is heavy duty for sure :laugh: It is getting almost to heavy to for my table
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: fishfighter on July 08, 2016, 05:38:34 PM
Looking good. You will be sawing in no time. ;D
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on July 08, 2016, 05:52:04 PM
Thanks fishfighter, only one problem I welded the the adjustable tensioner for the guide wheel upside down LOL
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on July 10, 2016, 10:14:59 PM
A little more done today got the saw mount clamped to the saw couldn't get it welded today because it finally rained on and off all day not complaining. Also got the motor arbor built not pictured. got to build the guides and the covers and that is it for the fabrication.  I should have it running really soon I can almost taste it 8)

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Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Czech_Made on July 11, 2016, 06:27:40 AM
Nice progress  :)
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: gww on July 11, 2016, 06:37:34 AM
Larry
QuoteI should have it running really soon I can almost taste it

You have my mouth watering.  Nice.
gww
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on July 11, 2016, 07:17:29 PM
A couple of pics of motor arbor and tensioner 

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Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on July 11, 2016, 08:56:42 PM
Quote from: caveman on June 13, 2016, 09:14:09 AM
Ijohnsaw stated "That last bit of acetylene can sure disappear fast!  I save the gas for whenever I need to heat up something to bend it or to braze."

I would not recommend using acetylene as a shielding gas for gas metallic arc welding (MIG).  Usually CO2, or a combination of Argon and CO2 (75%Argon/25%CO2 for example) are appropriate shielding gases.  On new or clean metal, the MIG process should be much more time efficient.  Even with painted or rusty metal, I usually prefer to clean it and use a MIG welder. 

If you are running out of gas quicker than you think you should, it may pay off to check your hose, fittings and regulator with soapy water to determine if you have leaks.  I worked for a guy who was a miser and he would adjust the regulator/flowmeter as low as possible without compromising the weld quality.  This was in a Florida shop in July.  He would also lower the roll up doors to only be open a foot or so to reduce breezes that would blow the shielding gas away from the welds.

For me, it is much easier to get decent out of position welds using a properly set up MIG welder than using a stick machine.  Good luck with your build.  I admire anyone who can build a functional mill.  There are so many variables to consider.
Caveman
Thanks caveman I did find that the pressure valve was really loose and was leaking Really bad tightened it up and no problem or leaks only took me 3 tanks of gas to find it I tested everything  a couple of times never knew there was a valve on the bottom of the gauges The only reason I found it is I could hear it leaking I hope this helps someone else Live and learn lol
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on July 23, 2016, 11:49:06 PM
Sorry it's been to hot and to busy to work on the sawmill but I did get blade guards cut out today and will try to finish them tomorrow Did get all the bearings pulleys and gears ordered will be in Monday. The guards are made out of 1/8 steel and 4" wide with plywood front covers

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Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Joe Hillmann on July 24, 2016, 10:13:29 AM
I think the ply wood fronts on the guards is a good idea.  If a blade ever jumps off  the plywood will do less damage to it than metal.
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on July 24, 2016, 09:30:09 PM
Joe Hillmann, yes it might save a blade or two I hope
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Magicman on July 24, 2016, 09:39:51 PM
If your sawmill throws a blade, something is wrong.
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Joe Hillmann on July 24, 2016, 10:27:54 PM
Quote from: Magicman on July 24, 2016, 09:39:51 PM
If your sawmill throws a blade, something is wrong.

He is building his own mill and learning to saw while trying to work the kinks out of it, I would say there is a very good chance he will have a couple blades come off.  I know I did when I first got my mill running.
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Ljohnsaw on July 24, 2016, 10:47:37 PM
Quote from: Joe Hillmann on July 24, 2016, 10:27:54 PM
Quote from: Magicman on July 24, 2016, 09:39:51 PM
If your sawmill throws a blade, something is wrong.

He is building his own mill and learning to saw while trying to work the kinks out of it, I would say there is a very good chance he will have a couple blades come off.  I know I did when I first got my mill running.

+1 on that.  Took me two times to learn NOT to back the head up with the blade running :-\ and once I put on a new blade and didn't have the tracking right - the blade decided to take a stroll...
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Magicman on July 24, 2016, 10:50:07 PM
I understand, but thrown blades most probably would also suffer some kinking/bending which could be more damaging than bent teeth.  My comment was directed toward the fact that after the build and tuneup, thrown blades should not be a normal or regular occurrence.
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on July 24, 2016, 10:52:14 PM
At least I will know how to fix the sawmill when I am done building it.LOL
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Magicman on July 25, 2016, 08:25:40 AM
And even with a "bought made" sawmill, you had better understand it and know how to fix it.  I admire your ingenuity.    smiley_thumbsup
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on July 26, 2016, 03:04:19 AM
Thanks Magicman I did buy a set of plans Which were pretty good when I followed them instead of just looking at the pics. lol The hardest part is trying to remember that what I am building is usually backwards. I have had to rebuild several pieces over again I am almost ready to start assembly but I had a mix up when I ordered all the pulleys and bearings and gears and didn't order enough parts. Only ordered one of everything so time to get some more parts on the way.
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on July 26, 2016, 10:58:12 PM
Just a few pics of the safety cover hangers the covers will be removeable

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Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on July 28, 2016, 09:49:49 PM
Got the idle side safety cover built today drive side tomorrow

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Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Czech_Made on July 29, 2016, 08:49:59 AM
Looking good  :)
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on July 31, 2016, 10:03:31 PM
Got the drive side safety cover finished and a few more pics of the safety cover hangers and how they hang. the angle iron is welded to back of the covers and it makes the covers removable I have to wait a few more days for the rest of the bearings to come in before I can hang the safety covers 

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Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: tnaz on August 01, 2016, 05:34:50 AM
Sure looks good.  Pretty work! 8)
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: fishfighter on August 01, 2016, 06:44:36 AM
Looking good. As I posted before, that's going to be one heavy sucker. You might need to add another axle to your trailer. :D
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on August 01, 2016, 08:54:34 PM
Thanks Tnaz and yes Fishfighter it is a heavy mother can't wait to get the thing weighed might have to jump the registration weight up  ::)
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on August 01, 2016, 09:02:46 PM
Got the wood safety covers made today also quit raining long enough today so I got saw beam welded in today 

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Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on August 10, 2016, 07:13:35 PM
It was Christmas Monday got all the bearings, pulleys and belts. Installed the drive arbor and Idle arbor with bearings and safety cover hangers clamped on will hang the safety covers tomorrow

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Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Ox on August 10, 2016, 09:47:23 PM
Lookin' good, bud.  Looks like a professional Cooks machine!
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on August 10, 2016, 10:31:50 PM
Thanks Ox a little slow finishing up been really hot lately and tired of the heat
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Joe Hillmann on August 11, 2016, 01:13:34 PM
How can you stand putting that much time into a machine before you use it?  Mine didn't even have an engine, carriage, or track before I started using it to cut lumber. 

You are doing beautiful work but I want to see that thing put together and running.
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on August 11, 2016, 09:25:47 PM
Joe Hillman being disabled low on funds has slowed things down a bit and I had open heart surgery that slowed me down for about 6 months all feels better now, but it is almost ready to run got to wait on getting the last few things Machined. I have everything as far as parts Maybe a week or two I will have a video of this monster running
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on August 11, 2016, 09:50:41 PM
A few more things done today got the Safety covers mounted and removable plywood covers installed and I had to make different levelers because the lower acme rod holders were hitting on the old levelers had to move them out 7 inches I got 2 done today before it started to sprinkle. I also Installed the 19" band wheels installed just to check clearances all is good.  It is starting to look alot like a saw mill 8)

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Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Ljohnsaw on August 12, 2016, 12:42:53 AM
Wow, I really like your blade guards!  On your stability / levelers - that is a pretty good leverage arm, when you drop a few thousand pound log on the bed, they are going to take a beating.  Are you going to add more gussets to reinforce them?  I think they would have been better welded to where the cross pieces are attached.  That way the beam would be less likely to twist under the forces.
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on August 12, 2016, 01:20:49 AM
Ljohnsaw Everything I used for the stabilizer is 3x3 x 3/16 with a 4'x4'x1/4 plate welded to the 3x3 then I welded 1/4 plate welded to 8" C channel frame which it is 3/8 thick do I need to still put a gusset on  or should I weld a 1/4 stiffener top and bottom of the t on the horizontal to the vertical leg? I am all eyes and ears This the first thing I have ever built with metal/steel so I am open for suggestions  Thanks for any help
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Post by: fishfighter on August 12, 2016, 06:34:50 AM
I would do the later. That should give it real good support. Looking good.

On my out riggers, I installed them at a angle. Once weight (log) is placed on the bed, the weight is transferred downward at the angle. I have no flexing at all. Also, by doing it this way, I got a wider foot print. I used 2 1/2", 3/16 tubing and a 4"x4", 1/4" plating for the foot.



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Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on August 12, 2016, 11:57:04 AM
Thanks Fishfighter I can weld a piece of 1/2" plate at 90% under the horizontal tube to the vertical tube I  need the space on top for clearance do you think that will be good enough?
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Ljohnsaw on August 12, 2016, 12:12:33 PM
One other thought...  Could you take some 1/4" wall 3" tube and weld it on the bottom of your cross supports, extending out the necessary amount for your upright section of tube?  Then add a small gusset on that joint to help it with the stresses.  Make sense?  I know, hate to have to redo, but this would be soooo much stronger and only relying on one stressed welded joint.
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: fishfighter on August 12, 2016, 12:17:34 PM
Quote from: larrydown60 on August 12, 2016, 11:57:04 AM
Thanks Fishfighter I can weld a piece of 1/2" plate at 90% under the horizontal tube to the vertical tube I  need the space on top for clearance do you think that will be good enough?

1/4" would do and if you can, add it to each side. That will keep it from shifting.
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on August 12, 2016, 12:26:08 PM
Thanks ljohnsaw and fishfighter I like the idea of the tube going under the whole frame that way it wont interfere with the hydraulics I plan on adding over the winter Thanks again for your help
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Joe Hillmann on August 12, 2016, 02:05:55 PM
Quote from: larrydown60 on August 12, 2016, 01:20:49 AM
This the first thing I have ever built with metal/steel so I am open for suggestions  Thanks for any help

I would have never guessed that with how nice you are building everything.  It looks like a very thought out and built mill.
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Ljohnsaw on August 12, 2016, 05:42:39 PM
Quote from: larrydown60 on August 12, 2016, 12:26:08 PM
Thanks ljohnsaw and fishfighter I like the idea of the tube going under the whole frame that way it wont interfere with the hydraulics I plan on adding over the winter Thanks again for your help

One complete piece running all the way across would be the strongest and easiest way, but simply having it go 6 or 8" under the current cross support would suffice.  Though, you don't look like you are trying to save weight on your build ;) :D
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on August 15, 2016, 08:28:08 PM
A few more things finished up today got the motor arbor bearings and pulleys all set to weld in place got the rear drive pulley mounted and the mid blade cover built and the rear drive pulley cover built  ready to mount the motor tomorrow 

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Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Ox on August 15, 2016, 09:16:06 PM
Yessir, I always like when the hardware goes on - makes it look like more of a complicated machine.  Looking better all the while, bud.
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on August 22, 2016, 09:42:29 PM
A little more progress today got things painted over the weekend had to final weld the motor arbor in place once the pulleys were lined up had to rehang the idle side safety cover then I had to cut down the mid blade cover. Painted the pulleys yellow

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Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on September 01, 2016, 07:37:06 PM
Sorry no updates Lately but I had to order bearings and they all finally made here need to send them to Texas to finish up the machining the blade guides and I will be done and ready to run got the upper parts of my blade guides built and ready to weld on the saw mill

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Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: 4x4American on September 01, 2016, 10:15:58 PM
Quote from: larrydown60 on July 26, 2016, 03:04:19 AM
Thanks Magicman I did buy a set of plans Which were pretty good when I followed them instead of just looking at the pics. :D The hardest part is trying to remember that what I am building is usually backwards. I have had to rebuild several pieces over again I am almost ready to start assembly but I had a mix up when I ordered all the pulleys and bearings and gears and didn't order enough parts. Only ordered one of everything so time to get some more parts on the way.


Did you get the Australian plans or something?
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: 4x4American on September 01, 2016, 10:17:36 PM
Looking good...next time I'm visiting in DeRuyter I'll have to stop down and check this thing out
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on September 01, 2016, 11:28:27 PM
4x4 that will be fine about 2 weeks everything will be running by then
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on September 15, 2016, 09:14:05 PM
Ok update time, all my machine work is done and in transit from Texas. I will have it Monday afternoon. I did get all the rest of the bearings in and the Acme threaded rod in and got the motor installed and electric clutch installed, BUT I am thinking I might just put a pulley on the motor and figure out how to put a An Idler pulley on and a lever to engage the The belt to the band wheels. If Anyone has some pics I would appreciate all the help I can Get

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Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Ox on September 16, 2016, 07:31:04 AM
Neat!  Is this a homemade style guide system?  Why not go with a ready made guide system like Cooks?  Cost I'm sure is a factor - it usually is.
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on September 16, 2016, 08:45:05 AM
OX, yes cost is a factor but this system is very flexible and been proven to work good these guides were used in the video on youtube under texasben5 saw mill 2 he used it to cut mesquite this is the sawmill that I built. I will be posting more pics later I am sure you will see the resemblance the only difference is that mine is on a trailer and mine will cut a 36" wide and 36" tall by 20 foot long log
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on September 16, 2016, 09:32:07 PM
More pics of the motor and electric clutch , drive abor set up and had to rebuild the rear cover I moved the motor arbor to get more clearance on the belt that runs from the motor arbor to the the band wheels.Once I moved the arbor up 2" it made the rear cover not fit over the belts. Also pictured is the threaded rod used to tension the motor belt and on the drive arbor there is a bolt for tightening the belt that goes to the rear of band wheel on the drive side more pics tomorrow

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Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Ox on September 17, 2016, 06:49:09 AM
Yessir, you shouldn't have any flex issues under tension.  :laugh:
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: fishfighter on September 18, 2016, 07:39:22 AM
Looking really good. ;D
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Magicman on September 18, 2016, 08:08:00 AM
The phrase "built like a Sherman Tank" comes to my mind.   ;D
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Kbeitz on September 18, 2016, 08:37:55 AM
With the pulley setup you have it looks like your really going
To be high RPM with the blades.
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on September 18, 2016, 09:38:38 PM
Thanks fishfighter and Magicman yes it is built very heavy duty it has gotten a little bigger than I thought when I first started. I don't think I will have to worry about upgrading anything but the motor for a while.  I will  have it finished really soon, a lot more pics to come over the next few days. I will add hydrolics over the winter
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on September 18, 2016, 09:53:47 PM
Kbeitz I have 19" band wheels 4"electric clutch to a 5 3/4 pulley on oneside on the other side of the arbor pulley is a 8 1/4 that runs to a 14' pulley that shares the same shaft as the 19" drive pulley 16 hp motor I hope this make sense to you and I hope my calculations are right.
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Ljohnsaw on September 18, 2016, 09:56:50 PM
Quote from: larrydown60 on September 18, 2016, 09:53:47 PM
Kbeitz I have 19" band wheels 4"electric clutch to a 5 3/4 pulley on oneside on the other side of the arbor pulley is a 8 1/4 that runs to a 14' pulley that shares the same shaft as the 19" drive pulley 16 hp motor I hope this make sense to you and I hope my calculations are right.
What rpm will you be running when cutting?  What FPM are you hoping to have?

Using your numbers: 4/5.75 x 8.25/14 x 19/12" x 3.14 gives you 2.04 feet per engine revolution.  At an engine speed of 3,400 rpm, that would give you almost 7,000 fpm cutting speed - that is pretty darn fast!  IIRC, for a small engine (14-20hp), the desired is around 3,500-4,500?

If you swap the jack shaft pulleys around : 4/8.25 x 5.75/14 x19/12" x 3.14 is just under 1 foot per engine revolution.  That puts you at 3,400 fpm cutting speed.
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: gww on September 18, 2016, 10:29:25 PM
To ljhonsaws point.  I had my mill running at about 9000 fpm and was going through guide bearings.  The saw did cut but I slowed it down and do believe it made it better.  My blade might be lasting a bit longer also.  Nice mill.  I am almost dissapointed that you are putting hydrolics on over the winter.  I will have a hard time waiting that long to see you cut your first board, always and exciting thing for me.
Good luck
gww
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on September 18, 2016, 10:32:12 PM
ljohnsaw Thank you you for the info I will switch the pulleys around tomorrow, nice catch Kbeitz  you guys just saved me some headaches later on thanks again
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Ljohnsaw on September 18, 2016, 10:48:37 PM
Larry,
That is assuming your engine speed is at or about 3,400 rpm.  You could throttle back but then you are not in the right part of the engine's power curve.  Best to have the right gearing!  Good luck on your homemade bearing guides.  Mine didn't last (went through 3 sets I believe) and I went the Cook's route and have been very happy with them.
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on September 18, 2016, 10:49:36 PM
gww, I will have it up and sawing very soon installing the lift system tomorrow and guides also received all the machined parts Saturday. I have had bronchitis for a week and half now. just can't get my energy going, new meds hopefully it will clear up soon. just plugging along now. I won't make everyone wait till spring to see this sawing. LOL. I will be gathering everything I need over the winter to put the hydraulics on come spring
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on September 18, 2016, 10:55:09 PM
Ljohnsaw I do believe the motor is 3500 rpm I will post pics of the guides tomorrow just need to get some bolts to finish them up. I hope they work
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: 4x4American on September 18, 2016, 11:06:12 PM
I am excited to see this thing sawing.  What are you gonna saw first? 
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on September 19, 2016, 06:20:41 AM
4x4American all that I have to saw up right now is some good sized Locust logs. A friend had a tree taken down the other day and there is some good lumber lying there. There is a couple of 36" x 8' and bunch of 30"x 6' pieces and lots of short pieces of 4' lengths and some good looking crotch pieces. Going to borrow a friends trailer that has grapple loader on it to pick these logs up. I am now going to have to either upgrade my truck or add the 2500 suspension to my truck so I can haul the weight around. It never ends LOL
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on September 19, 2016, 09:23:05 PM
Ok all my my blade guides are all welded up and ready to weld to to the saw here is a few pics

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Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: 4x4American on September 19, 2016, 09:50:06 PM
Looking good.


Cook's just posted a video on blade speed, thought you might like to see it:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yCZ9YMs0jA
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on September 19, 2016, 10:45:53 PM
Thanks 4x4american video is a good bit of info thanks again
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on September 20, 2016, 08:13:50 PM
Just a few pics of the acme threaded rod setup lower cup with bearing and an a adapter for the acme rod and the the acme rod lift tube battery ran out before I could get more pics, tomorrow is another day

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Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: 4x4American on September 20, 2016, 09:20:43 PM
Now how do you know that tomorrow is another day??   :D
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Magicman on September 20, 2016, 09:29:01 PM
'Cause it ain't yesterday.   ;D   :D
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on September 20, 2016, 10:37:34 PM
BECause only the good die young and I am to miserable,stubborn and rotten to die. So I know I am here for a lot longer. 8)
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on September 21, 2016, 08:07:43 PM
A few more pics of the acme rod set up and lift. Stripped the saw mill down to paint everything one last time

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Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on October 23, 2016, 07:16:50 PM
Sorry it's been awhile since I posted anything. Made some changes to the saw mill added 2 more post to the head added the water jug holder and gas tank holder and battery box installed and put the final coat of paint on everything. going to assemble everything tomorrow. Finally got the winch for the lift and waiting on machine shop to modify it. Hopefully get the blades ordered tomorrow or Tuesday Everything is finally coming together hope to have it running by next weekend

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Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: fishfighter on October 23, 2016, 07:36:32 PM
Looking great. Bet you can't wait to bust up that nice paint job. ;D
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Ox on October 23, 2016, 07:42:43 PM
Yeah, don't scratch the paint now!  Looks great.  Big too!  Hopefully it performs as good as you're hoping it will.
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Gearbox on October 23, 2016, 07:49:10 PM
I may be wrong on that engine . On my 27 HP water cooled Briggs it has a torque curve that is flat from 2000 RPM on up with all most no rise to 3600 . So you should be able to throttle and cut any where above 2000 RPM .
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on October 23, 2016, 08:05:30 PM
Not worried about the paint I just want to see this thing cut some logs. Plus I have more paint to use up LOL
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Picky2016 on October 24, 2016, 08:10:18 PM
Nice job Larry, keep up, you'll be cutting in no time!
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on October 29, 2016, 09:01:42 PM
A little progress today got everything ready for the wiring tomorrow and hopefully running if everything goes according to my plan here is a couple of pics of my homemade guide wheels installed. Still waiting on machine shop to finish the winch modification.

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Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Ox on October 30, 2016, 10:00:07 AM
I still can't get over how rugged everything seems to be.  I predict zero flex.
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Kbeitz on October 30, 2016, 04:20:00 PM
I my my mill very rugged. I got flex from the roller bearings that the carriage rode on.
This was my fix... Slack adjuster.



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Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on October 31, 2016, 10:31:33 PM
Kbeitz On the drive side I only have 20 thousands spacing in my saw box that goes up and down, on the idle side there is 1/4 clearance on saw box 1/8 on each side of the 3x3 tube that was figured in for flex so the blade won't brake it gives it a little flex Have not run it yet maybe tomorrow then I still have to order some blades more pics tomorrow
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: fishfighter on November 01, 2016, 05:51:09 AM
Over all, what is the biggest log you will be able to saw?
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Kbeitz on November 01, 2016, 06:01:02 AM
Quote from: larrydown60 on October 31, 2016, 10:31:33 PM
Kbeitz On the drive side I only have 20 thousands spacing in my saw box that goes up and down, on the idle side there is 1/4 clearance on saw box 1/8 on each side of the 3x3 tube that was figured in for flex so the blade won't brake it gives it a little flex Have not run it yet maybe tomorrow then I still have to order some blades more pics tomorrow

I put the bearings on to stop oscillations from the blade. Even a little play
will start them. Just last week I needed to tighten them up a little.
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on November 01, 2016, 11:56:11 PM
Quote from: fishfighter on November 01, 2016, 05:51:09 AM
Over all, what is the biggest log you will be able to saw?
I SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO 36" WIDE AND 20' LONG
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on November 05, 2016, 08:57:57 PM
It runs ,all wired up and motor runs electric clutch works great. Still waiting on the machine shop to finish the winch modification then the lift will work. Here is a few more pics of the work I got finished this week. Now I will Order some blades  any suggestions for what blades to order? I have some big logs of Locust to saw And some pine.  Thanks ahead of time 

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Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: gww on November 06, 2016, 08:37:07 AM
larry......
Very exciting!
gww
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Ox on November 06, 2016, 10:16:13 AM
Almost there, how cool!  Will you be able to take a video of it when running?  As far as blades, I've used Cooks Silvachrome and Lennox both 10 degree and both worked good in seasoned black locust.  If I had a choice, I'd choose 7 degree Lennox at this point, if there is such a thing. 
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on November 20, 2016, 08:54:29 PM
Been awhile I just got a pic from machine shop of winch finished and I can pick it up Monday. The only problem is we are expecting a foot of snow tonight,we already have 4-5" inches on the ground and it is not suppose to stop snowing till tomorrow night. I am not sure if it is safe to weld in the snow????? I have built everything everything outside in my back yard with no cover. So I might have to wait for the snow to melt so I can finish it up

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Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Kbeitz on November 21, 2016, 06:26:13 AM
So....
Why did you have the shaft extended on your winch ?
If you was looking for a 12 volt reversible motor you could have bought a tarp motor.



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Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on November 21, 2016, 12:32:24 PM
Kbeitz I don't know what I am doing I just followed directions on the plans and that's what he called for. I did not know these existed probably cheaper too.  I have 160.00 invested in the winch and machine shop, but I did get a remote with the winch LOL. A gear sits on the shaft to drive the acme threaded rod up and down. Maybe I could use 2 of these to drive my head down and back. I bought a scooter for the motors  and turned out it only had one motor driving both of the back wheels I think it was a jazzy scooter and I don't want to run a 24 system. the head weighs a ton and pushes to hard by hand so I hope these would work to drive the head down and back on the track. What do you think?? 
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: JRWoodchuck on November 21, 2016, 02:33:52 PM
Quote from: Kbeitz on November 21, 2016, 06:26:13 AM
So....
Why did you have the shaft extended on your winch ?
If you was looking for a 12 volt reversible motor you could have bought a tarp motor.



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Kbeitz,
Can you speed that motor up as well? Do you have a good source for them?
Thanks!
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Kbeitz on November 22, 2016, 01:19:36 AM
Quote from: JRWoodchuck on November 21, 2016, 02:33:52 PM
Quote from: Kbeitz on November 21, 2016, 06:26:13 AM
So....
Why did you have the shaft extended on your winch ?
If you was looking for a 12 volt reversible motor you could have bought a tarp motor.



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Kbeitz,
Can you speed that motor up as well? Do you have a good source for them?
Thanks!

It's a standard 12v dc motor that can be controlled with a DC speed controller.
E-bay has the tarp motors.
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on December 10, 2016, 12:39:25 AM
I finally got my blades ordered and they showed up today. now I have to figure out how to align everything up to make it cut. I kinda got to wait till it gets a little warmer outside. No cover over mill just the cold and wind to deal wit. I will post a video of it cutting wood once it is aligned
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on February 24, 2017, 11:24:22 PM
I am still alive but haven't done anything to the saw mill since Dec to much snow and wind. It has been in the 70's for a couple of days but ground is really soft and the truck is sinking 6" in the lawn. I did upgrade my truck to a 2500 HD so I can haul some logs. I am really getting the urge to get this mill finished a few hrs and it will be ready to saw something finally April will be 2 yrs since I started. If the ground either freezes or dries up it won't be long I have about 30 logs to pick up also. I will update once I can do something.
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: breederman on February 25, 2017, 06:41:53 AM
I understand soft ! I don't live too far from you ,In fact I was in Cortland Thursday. Ive been gone all week came home last night and backed into the driveway and sunk in about 6 inches ! no frost and all that snow going off slow ,it is just saturated . :o
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: gww on February 25, 2017, 08:49:34 AM
larry
Once that erge takes hold, I think we will be seeing the vidio or pictures pretty soon.  I for one can't wait though I do understand bad wether.
gww
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on February 25, 2017, 09:57:05 AM
I also forgot to mention I also bought a new 20hp Kohler motor to upgrade the the motor, but I will get everything aligned first and do some cuts with the 16hp before I change motors Hopefully it is enough hp to run the mill and I plan on using a 6.5 hp motor to run the hydraulics
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: gww on February 25, 2017, 10:39:44 AM
I was cutting with a nine horse and some mills come from the factory with seven horse and a bunch of home builts have the 13 horse on them.  I would say that the 16 will do real well expesially since the hydrolics have their own motor.  All sounds really cool.
gww
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on March 08, 2017, 08:49:22 PM
Ok ground has dried up a lot got to move the saw mill today and got some welding done winch is all mounted. Tomorrow I will get the chain in stalled and bam My saw head should be operational. Then I just need to get everything aligned up and install a blade and try some cutting. I am worried about trying to align everything up. I am going to spend the night on youtube watching videos on how to do it. Wish me luck.

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Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Ljohnsaw on March 08, 2017, 09:00:16 PM
I'd be a little worried about the gearing you are using on the winch.  The winch moves pretty slow, you are gearing it way down and the ACME thread is going to gear it down even further.  Your head is going to move really, really slow!  I think you might find you need to swap the sprockets on top (without the chain on them) to get a respectable head speed.  Or, with the help of an idle sprocket, take the long chain that drives both screws and go around the winch sprocket as well (direct drive).

Looking good, though.  Nice to have the weather on your side!
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on March 08, 2017, 09:26:53 PM
Quote from: ljohnsaw on March 08, 2017, 09:00:16 PM
I'd be a little worried about the gearing you are using on the winch.  The winch moves pretty slow, you are gearing it way down and the ACME thread is going to gear it down even further.  Your head is going to move really, really slow!  I think you might find you need to swap the sprockets on top (without the chain on them) to get a respectable head speed.  Or, with the help of an idle sprocket, take the long chain that drives both screws and go around the winch sprocket as well (direct drive).

Looking good, though.  Nice to have the weather on your side!
ljohnsaw  Do you mean switch the big gear to the winch and the small one to the acme threaded rod? I welded the gears on backwards my mistake not paying attention trying to rush things
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Ljohnsaw on March 09, 2017, 01:38:24 AM
Well, 100% sure, but I'm thinking it will be going pretty slow based on my experience with winches (they move pretty slow to begin with).  Try what you've got.  If it works fast enough for you, great.  If not, try making the long chain engage the winch sprocket before you start cutting the sprockets of the acme rod.
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on March 09, 2017, 06:15:15 PM
ljohnsaw,  You were 100% right that is slower than a wheelchair with a dead battery. It took 5 mins to raise the head 10" I guess it is back to the drawing board for for that idea. I am going to try changing the gears around. Acme threaded rod has 20 tooth gears and above that is a 15 tooth gear that runs to a 54 tooth gear on the winch if anybody has other ideas on gearing please let me know thanks. I did weld the gears on backwards which I will turn them around unless someone has a better idea on the gearing thanks. Supposed to snow tonight so I will have 4-5 days of crappy weather before I can work on it again according to the weatherman thanks ahead of time.
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Ox on March 09, 2017, 06:30:14 PM
If you know the RPM of the winch and the TPI (threads per inch) of the threaded rod it'll be easier to figure out.  It won't slow your winch down much when running the chain so maybe just run it for 15 seconds, count the rotations and times that by 4 for your rpms.  You might want to shoot for around 1/2" raise/lower per second.  This is how fast I can crank mine by hand and it seems about right for fine control with a winch motor.  I don't know what the mills are from the factory regarding speeds.  Maybe someone else can pitch in on this?
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: gww on March 09, 2017, 06:54:29 PM
I wonder if you couldn't just find a differrent dc motor and use it like it is.  Maby one of the wheel chair motors like K uses on his mill.  I wonder what the rpm is on one of those?   Or find some way to get to the main shaft of the winch and get rid of the gear reduction portion of the winch. 

I may be an idiot and so take the above with a grain of salt.
These are just spur of the moment ideals.
gww 

Ps if you turn the gears around with out having to buy new stuff to do it due to being fixed solid.  It might be right as it is with what you are working with.   
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on March 09, 2017, 07:33:23 PM
gww, that is what I was hoping I could use what I had. I was trying to keep from adding an alternator and an extra battery to run a 24 volt wheelchair motor. I will change gears around and see what happens I will change whatever I need to too make lift faster.
Ox, the acme threaded rod is 7/8-6  Specs on motor Says it will pull 4' of cable a min. thanks for the help.
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Ljohnsaw on March 09, 2017, 07:40:43 PM
Quote from: larrydown60 on March 09, 2017, 07:33:23 PM
I was trying to keep from adding an alternator and an extra battery to run a 24 volt wheelchair motor.

You can run a wheelchair motor on 12v.  It will just run at half speed.  Now, if you could get one with the speed controller (which might need 24v), then you could raise/lower fast until close and slow down to hit the mark.
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: gww on March 09, 2017, 07:47:33 PM
I figured you were hoping to not have to buy and build more things.  I also knew you had welded things solid and might ruin things trying to switch the gears around.  I bet if you can switch them that your speed will be lots better.  If you think you have to buy all new allthread and you might ruin you shaft on the winch trying to get the pullys off.  I would be looking at how to get direct drive from the winch and get rid of the built in winch gear reduction.  I don't even know if that is possible but I don't think the winches are really that big of a motor, it just has a really big gear reducer.  My problim would be figuring out the math of what you end up with and wether it would work. 

I like you would try to do what was easiest with out having to buy a bunch of stuff.  I think by looking, that your origional plan that you accidently got backwards is probly still good if you can switch the sprockets.  It might still be a little slow but looks like it will still be tons faster then the way it is now.

Hopeing it works for you.
gww
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Ljohnsaw on March 09, 2017, 08:11:01 PM
Quote from: larrydown60 on March 09, 2017, 06:15:15 PM
...above that is a 15 tooth gear that runs to a 54 tooth gear on the winch ...

So the winch currently has a 15 tooth and the big gear is 54 tooth?  If so, then you are gearing down 1:3.6  If it (really) took 5 minutes to lift 10" the switching the two gears around (if my math is correct) will result in the 10" lift taking 23 seconds.  My math is 5 minutes = 300 seconds.  Back out the 3.6 ratio reduction (divide) and then apply the 3.6 speed increase (when you switch the gears).  So, 300 / 3.6 / 3.6 = 23 seconds or 2.3 seconds/inch of lift.  That is actually pretty quick but manageable.  So, if at all possible, swap them.  If you have enough shaft on each, perhaps cut each leaving as much available on the sprockets but equal to the remaining shaft.  Then use a section of appropriate pipe with the right size I.D. and either bolt (preferred) or weld on.
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on March 09, 2017, 08:13:18 PM
gww, I think I can take a 1/4- 1/2 off the top off the threaded acme rod and hub with a cutting wheel or drill the weld out of the top of the hub. I can also lift the acme threaded rod straight up and out of the saw head and use the bandsaw to cut the hub free.
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on March 09, 2017, 08:29:18 PM
ljohnsaw,  thanks I will get the 54 tooth sprocket off by cutting it or drilling the hub I only welded the top of the hub on this gear only thank god the rest are welded on the top and bottom the hub on the winch was not welded yet just a key and set screws Thank you again for your help I will let you and everyone know how it goes, weather is supposed to turn crappy tonight. I will get it done as soon as possible. there is video on youtube under texasben5 sawmill2 it looks like it lifts pretty fast. I bought the plans from him and made mine wider and taller and on a trailer. thanks again for you help
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: gww on March 09, 2017, 08:38:49 PM
Larry
If you don't lose too much length from the top of your all thread by having to do your cut off from the bottom of the sprocket but can some how get it lose from the top.  You can gain more room by cutting the collars off the bottom of the sprocket its self.  I think you are going to come out ok if you can get it done.  I am not sure of this but if it is still a little fast after the switch like ljohn said it might be.  You could probly throw a couple of diodes between the battery and the winch which would lower voltage a little and should lower the speed a little.  Running motors on too little voltage can cause over heating but this is not a run all the time situation and you could probly get by with it.  I think you are going to be golden with just the sprocket switch but if it gets you close, it will still be pretty easy to adjust from there.  I do bet it takes a bit of practice to hit your mark with out over travel.  It might be nice if there was some way to move it manually every once in a while.

I bet it works great if you can get the sprocket switch made.
gww
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Ox on March 09, 2017, 08:53:17 PM
gww - your voltage reduction idea gave me an idea which is maybe a house dimmer switch would work with the 12 volts quite well.  120 volts at 5 amps would be 50 amps rating at 12 volts, right?  Or would it be .5 amp rating at 12 volts?  I used to know this crap forwards and backwards doing my engine and generator experiments...
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: gww on March 09, 2017, 09:22:42 PM
Ox
I think you have your numbers right but the wire rating will be based on amps and so if you use 14 guage wire and that is rated for 15 amps, It would not matter if it was at 10 volts or 200 volts and those volts in ac or dc.  In the end the wire will only be rated for 15 amps.  So if a dimmer switch is rated for one amp at 120 volts ac, it will still only be rated at on amp at 12 volts dc.  Now with all that being said, it doesn't mean I wouldn't try it in a place where I was not scared if it caught fire.  So I might not try it in my kids bedroom but if I had one it would not scare me a bit to try it on a mill out on a rail where if it caught fire it had nothing to burn.

Cheers.
gww
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Kbeitz on March 10, 2017, 08:14:22 AM
Some wheelchair motors are 12 volts. A 24 volt motor will run on
12 volts. Most 24 volt wheelchair gear motors Gear Ratio is 26.25 : 1
Motor Speed ±5% (RPM): 3550. or output 135 RPM.
E-bay has 17 listings for 12 volt motors right now.
The one thing real nice about the wheelchair motors is that they
don't draw near the amps the a winch does and they are continuous
duty. 
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: gww on March 10, 2017, 09:38:19 AM
I am guessing a winch is about 7 or 8 rpm after its reduction.  So If I am correct (questionable)  you would go from 7 rpm to 135 rpm.

I have no intention of thinking I know what that would transulate towards a speed increase compared to what it is doing now.
Good luck.

I am still betting that the sprocket switch will get you close speed wise.
Cheers
gww

Ps, I find on my mill that the up and down with the boat winch that I use is not bad and I don't mind it.  My wish list if I really had one would be first the self forward movement like K has on his mill to cut and second log turning.  My mill not being a four pole makes self feed harder due to it not really being solid enough to just pull from one side.  So In the end I just sit back and look at the niceness of you guys mills with envy but live with mine as it is.
Cheers
gww
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: gww on March 10, 2017, 09:48:34 AM
K
I looked at the ebay listings yeasterday.  I see they list them as left and right side wheel motors.  Are those motors reversable by just reversing the pos and neg imput?
Thanks
gww
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: pineywoods on March 10, 2017, 10:38:58 AM
Quote from: gww on March 10, 2017, 09:48:34 AM
K
I looked at the ebay listings yeasterday.  I see they list them as left and right side wheel motors.  Are those motors reversable by just reversing the pos and neg imput?
Thanks
gww

Yep, just switch the wires. The left or right side designations has to do with which side of the gearbox the shaft comes out of. If less power on 12 volts is a problem, use a motor and gearbox off a scooter, not a wheelchair. Scooter use only 1 motor, twice as powerful..The speed controller off either one will require 24 volts...
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: gww on March 10, 2017, 10:43:11 AM
Piney.....
Thanks for the answer.
gww
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Kbeitz on March 10, 2017, 11:01:13 AM
I'm using a wheelchair motor for my lift.
My sprocket is 3 to 1 driving a worm gear winch.
I don't know the winch ratio.



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Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on March 10, 2017, 03:42:54 PM
Thanks guys for all the input. I do have scooter motor I got last year I was going to use it to power the saw head back and forth on the track.  But then again I don't want to put 2 batteries and an alternator  on the saw head I guess I am going to try the tarp motors to move the saw head back and forth instead Here are some pics of the scooter motor. still thinking on what I am going to do. I do plan on adding hydraulics this year. I have 6.5 hp gas motor I plan on

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Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Clover on March 11, 2017, 08:39:41 PM
I had a 6.5 hp engine for my hydraulics but almost immediately upgraded to a 13 hp unit. My head speed was faster on the return and I am able to feather the spool valve for forward speed. My claw log turner clamp also works much better. It has twin lift cylinders and can lift a house now, I can fling a cant or log off the mill if I want. Your hydraulics will be faster with a bigger power unit. Strength will be the same for both units.
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on April 24, 2017, 10:01:07 PM
Still making slow but steady progress have to finish up the dip system wiring and the drive chain then I will be ready to align the guides and make some sawdust but we are suppose to get rain tomorrow hope to have everything finished up by the weekend. then I have to have surgery Mon Morning on my toe and will be out of action for a while

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Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: gww on April 24, 2017, 11:06:31 PM
You are going to have it so pretty you are not going to want to get it dirty. :D
gww
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on April 24, 2017, 11:13:24 PM
gww, Just trying to get everything right the first time. Might paint every thing one more time while I am recovering from surgery LOL
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Ox on April 25, 2017, 06:00:34 AM
Pretty impressive for building in your yard.  Do you have a way of shooting a video?  I'm interested in seeing/hearing that winch motor run and in action.
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on April 25, 2017, 10:21:45 PM
Ox, I will try to get a video with my phone tomorrow. The winch is not to fast but it works good stops on a dime as soon as I let off the switch. I am happy with the way it works but what do I know I have never sawed anything in my life. LOL I think it will be easy to hit my mark or measurement.
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on May 13, 2017, 09:53:14 PM
A little update sawmill lacks one weld on drive motor bracket and need to align guide wheels and I am ready to start making sawdust. I had surgery May 1st on 2 toes I hurt falling down some stairs. They had to fuse the 2 toes so I am in a cast for another week or two. Then I go to a walking boot then I hope to get finishing the sawmill up. Sorry Ox I just ran out of time before surgery, I promise I will get a video for you on the winch working. If anyone is interested this what my toes look like after surgery

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Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: trapper on May 14, 2017, 12:07:21 AM
you in competition with MM?
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Ox on May 14, 2017, 11:11:16 AM
Take your time, man....it's not that big a deal at all.....just heal up the right way.  Everything else don't matter much
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: gww on May 14, 2017, 01:12:16 PM
Hey man, this aint a dateing site, no need to show off your legs ;D.

I put the smiley so you know that was a joke.  Good luck on your recovery.  From the looks of your mill, I think you are ahead of the game and this won't be that big of a set back.  Life gives bumbs but you are still only one weld away.  You tape it and I will watch it.
Cheers
gww
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on May 14, 2017, 06:39:33 PM
Here is a few more pictures of the winch lift system don't have the winch control in this pic, my drip system, control panel with oil, amps and electric clutch,chain drive and 12 volt motor and the chain adjuster for the acme threaded rods is on top side

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Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: jimdad07 on May 14, 2017, 07:14:53 PM
I just read through your thread on this build.  Amazing work, just amazing, can't wait to see it run...great job.
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on May 14, 2017, 09:15:06 PM
jimdad07 Thank you. It has been 2 years in the making can't wait to see it cutting myself. As soon as I can get healed up I will post the long awaited video LOL. Still have a little wiring to do and an alignment of the blade guides and it will be ready
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on June 25, 2017, 08:40:05 PM
Ok the saw mill made its  first cuts tonight after 2 years in the making thanks to my cousin Louis Loiselle coming over today helping put the finishing touches together I only had a small log to try cut what a pain. More modifications needed to cut small pieces. Now I need to pick up some of the bigger logs to cut. Seemed to cut ok. No video it started raining so we had to stop the trial run We must have gotten everything aligned up ok blade didn't fly off in the four cuts that we did make here is a few pics of the little piece of maple we cut.

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Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Ljohnsaw on June 25, 2017, 08:49:19 PM
Cool! Success!   8)  Should only get better from here!
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: gww on June 25, 2017, 09:48:24 PM
larry.....
You must be feeling better and that is good and to get to use your mill after two years is even better. 

You will have to give us a run down on your thoughts and what you are happy with and what you might change after using it a bit. 
I can't wait and I have always thought you were doing a really good job of it (except for speed of build keeping me holding my breath :))
Cheers
gww
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on June 25, 2017, 10:09:37 PM
gww, Foot is still in the boot till july 6th hopefully I will get into a shoe. 2 months down and one more to go till it is fully healed, just getting a little inpatient. Sorry it took so long to finish but it is paid for LOL. I have already up graded the log locks from the screw type to the cam locks I saw posted on here, and I want to upgrade the back stops to something close to what cooks has on their mill. Thanks to everyone for the help, encouragement, and ideas.  I also have add a few more things to the mill o I can saw short logs 3'-4' That is what I saw today LOL
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Ox on June 26, 2017, 01:01:39 PM
 smiley_beertoast
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: SineWave on June 26, 2017, 01:29:23 PM
Congratulations, the mill looks real good. It must have been a relief to see that it worked the first time!

Best of luck with her ... now, let 'er eat! smiley_horserider
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on June 28, 2017, 10:23:36 PM
A few modifications to day so I can cut small logs 3' had a heck of a time cutting them Sunday So I made a couple of back stops and new cam locks. A huge thank you to john n john2 for sharing your design they work fantastic and nothing will move once I lock them down.   

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Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: fishfighter on June 29, 2017, 05:42:27 AM
Congrats  8) Before long some of your friends will be coming out the wood works to have some logs sawed. :D
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on July 03, 2017, 11:18:38 PM
Update the motor broke after sawing up 5-6 small logs. I guess I took to long building the mill I was sawing along really good and just started cutting slower and we checked all the belts and everything couldn't find anything and just figured it was the blade got dull. The next morning we tried cutting some more and it was not cutting the poplar very good or fast my cousin found that number 1 cylinder was dead. So he changed the spark plugs out they were crappy looking still no power ,so he took the valve cover off and found the push rod not where it was suppose to be so he put it back and adjusted the valves ran great for a little bit and went back to not having power again pulled the valve cover and the rocker assembly had broke. So we ordered another complete head for parts I guess the motor had a stuck valve so I am just waiting on the new head to come in but with the holiday slows everything down the head will come in on Monday  and we will have it running by next Wednesday should have a lot more power LOL Will post a video then
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: gww on July 04, 2017, 08:12:19 AM
Larry
Sorry for the trouble but excited about seeing a vidio.
Cheers
gww
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Ox on July 04, 2017, 09:28:27 AM
I second what gww said.  I hope your parts cure the problem.

I've seen problems with sticky valve guides in these small engines (always was bent pushrods but not broken rockers yet) and I was told by the lead mechanic at John Deere that it was due to ethanol gasoline.  Hopefully you have access to non ethanol around there.  I know it's a bit more expensive but you won't miss a few bucks when it keeps these types of problems away.

I would suggest pushing in on the valves to make sure they're free just to be sure.  You've got a little down time now waiting on parts, right?  Might have to pull them and polish the stems but hopefully not.  Just take the wooden end of a hammer and push them in and out quick and fast and you'll see real quick if there's a problem.

You'll be up and running in no time.

I want to let you know about Kasco blades.  So far they're my favorite and I've tried 5 different ones so far.  They made me and my mill happier still.  Just a friendly suggestion - I'm not affiliated!
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on July 04, 2017, 09:48:48 PM
Ox I have had good luck with cooks 10 degree so far I have cut Maple and Spruce and it cut like butter Started on the poplar and started having engine problems I am going to try the 7 degree rippers next. I will keep your suggestion on the kasco blades on my list of blades to try. I will try the Ethanol free gas. I will have my cousin check the pushrods I think he got the complete head with rockers and pushrods suppose to arrive Monday will be back up and running Wednesday for sure. My cousin has been working part time at a chainsaw and mower shop and motorcycle shop for years, I am glad he does he knew what was wrong with the engine in a few minutes and saved me a pile of money in shop fees LOL
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on July 04, 2017, 09:52:47 PM
gww, thanks got video camera now just need to learn how to upload a video can't be any harder than when I first tried to upload pictures here LOL
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: gww on July 04, 2017, 10:44:06 PM
I hope you get it down loaded here.  I can't get on face book cause I never signed up.  I almost think trying to figure out how to load a vidio might be harder then building a mill.  I do hope it doesn't take two years :D.  Seriously though, I would never put pressure on someone to take pictures and such because I don't do well at it myself.  I will say that if you do get it done, I will happily watch it.
I am an ideal thief and just love seeing how people have done things.  My opinion is that you should be proud to have stuck with your build and finnished it. 
Cheers
gww
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on July 05, 2017, 09:24:29 PM
Today we got the saw mill drive motor wired up with a dead man switch forward and reverse with speed controler on the forward speed only thanks to my cousin Louie. Also installed
a box so you can walk next the saw head while cutting it has
about 3' cable Here is a few boards of poplar and pine we were practicing on when the rocker arm broke. Next week it will be running again and with all the improvements it should cut pretty good with less energy.

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Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on July 19, 2017, 04:54:28 AM
Today a day of many firsts I cut my first walnut log was short piece  3' long and about 20" round. I have found out the short logs are very difficult to cut. I made some improvements when I cut some short maple pieces last time and today I found out I need a few more improvements hold them still to safely cut them. If there is no rain I will post pictures later of the modifications. Here is few pictures of the walnut shorty I cut today the saw cut nice till I hit my first nail I guess i need to get a metal detector LOL

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Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: fishfighter on July 19, 2017, 06:54:28 AM
Well, that didn't take long to hit your first metal. :D Back stops are worse. :o

In my case, I can't use a metal detector due to having a CRT-D implant.
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: reedco on July 20, 2017, 11:19:42 PM
         Nice boards !!
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on July 25, 2017, 06:50:15 AM
I got a few short spalted maple logs to practice on I have been busy doing a few upgrades so I can cut these short pieces safely,I have had a couple of these short ones jump off the saw mill while cutting them. I will post the long awaited video in a few days I have to finish getting getting the bugs out of the saw mill first.

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Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on July 30, 2017, 11:06:17 PM
Still working out the bugs I finally got the head leveled out and the blade guides leveled out so it i cutting good and level and straight. My cousin comes back from his vacation the 3rd and then we will have the electronic feed working again. I opened up the smallest of the four small maple logs and found a nice surprise. Any idea what these could bring would be nice to know thanks a head of time the first two pics are 4/4 x 3' and the 3rd and 4 th pics are 8/4 x 3' and the last 2 pics are just close ups of the grain of the 8/4s

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Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Ga Mtn Man on July 31, 2017, 07:43:40 AM
purdy  :)
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on July 31, 2017, 10:04:46 PM
Icut this log up today and think I need more horsepower I have a Briggs Vanguard 16hp cutting this Maple is really bogging the engine down I am using a cooks 10 degree blade and this Maple has been down for a month and a half  Any ideas would be helpful thanks

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Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Magicman on July 31, 2017, 10:19:07 PM
I am seeing some hefty saw blade marks.  Was the blade sharp?
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on July 31, 2017, 11:10:52 PM
Yes Magicman brand new blade it was a Cooks 10 degree excel blade Maybe more tension on the blade or more down pressure on my blade guides? It was a wavy cut also. Thanks
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Kbeitz on August 01, 2017, 03:09:37 AM
4 deg for low Hp.
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Bruno of NH on August 01, 2017, 05:06:40 AM
Try a 4 degree band
I have some cooks bands don't use them anymore they just don't cut well on my mill
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Ga Mtn Man on August 01, 2017, 07:38:04 AM
Ditto on the 4° blade.
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Ox on August 01, 2017, 07:47:04 AM
Yep.  Kasco 4 degree blades are the best blades I like so far out of trying 5 different ones.  Order through the ads on the left.
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on August 01, 2017, 11:00:04 PM
I picked these up today I think I left a nut in the grass moving this big one around on the mill by hand I got these 2 logs to see if I can cut soft wood with the 10 degree blade, while I wait on 4 degree blades to come in. I also figured out the engine I have someone took the governor off so I ordered one off Ebay this morning

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Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: fishfighter on August 02, 2017, 05:48:29 PM
Guess it is time you start looking at a arch trailer. ;D Tail gates and logs don't mix and don't ask me how I know. >:(
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on August 02, 2017, 09:35:34 PM
Ok Today I tried the Cooks 10 degree blade on the spruce log it cut like crazy and did real good on the log stop to LOL I guess I need to try to sharpen my blades with the dremel till I get some new blades   
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Kbeitz on August 02, 2017, 09:43:23 PM
Quote from: larrydown60 on August 02, 2017, 09:35:34 PM
Ok Today I tried the Cooks 10 degree blade on the spruce log it cut like crazy and did real good on the log stop to LOL I guess I need to try to sharpen my blades with the dremel till I get some new blades

I did that for a long time. It take one 3/8 stone for each sharping . You can buy bags of 50/100 off
E-bay cheap. I think it did a good job but it sure is slow going.
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: gww on August 03, 2017, 09:26:07 AM
Larry
I used cooks excel blades (20 of them).  I am now using thier super sharp 8 degree blades.  I like them better and as I also use a dremal to sharpen while the blade is on the mill.  I find it easier to sharpen the super sharp blades then I did the exels.  I bought the silver not the black.
These are the only two blades I have ever used and so can't say I have tested them against other brands.
Cheers
gww
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: fishfighter on August 03, 2017, 01:29:13 PM
My $25 blade sharpener. ;D



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I keep a new Kasco blade of 7 degree and just dress the stone as needed. ;D
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on August 03, 2017, 10:35:37 PM
Thanks gww I will order one to see how it works. Thanks fish fighter I like the looks of that every body around here thinks those saws are worth a gold mine LOL I will look for a cheap one Thanks again
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: sawmilllawyer on August 03, 2017, 11:18:56 PM
Fishfighter, the more I see what you have done with what has been available to you the more I am truly impressed with your genius. Keep on keeping on!
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on August 08, 2017, 10:32:25 PM
Here is the log I was sawing when I tried to cut the log stop off LOL I also ruined my last blade. I was surprised how far it cut into the log stop all 1/4 steel with a Cooks 10 degree blade

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Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on August 19, 2017, 09:42:40 PM
Started the rebuild on the 20 hp Kohler Command backup engine I picked up it looks nasty on the outside but it only has a hundred hours on it sat outside it's whole life but inside is like brand new. My friend ran it on his stump grinder and ran straight pipes and no muffler and it burned up the oil rings and started smoking. I am just waiting on the rings and gaskets to come in and it will replace the 16 hp engine that is on the saw mill now, boy Kohler parts are pricey. LOL I also got a new tool today

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Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on August 26, 2017, 06:36:27 PM
Just got a cant hook given to me from a friends dad

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Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: gww on August 26, 2017, 08:46:25 PM
Nice gift.
gww
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on September 03, 2017, 11:55:54 PM
Me and my cousin finally got the rebuild done and put back together today complete with new muffler. This engine has a 1 7/16 shaft. I went to all the tractor stores and auto parts stores and no one carries a pulley that size so I ordered one from Surplus Center. I will try to mount it tomorrow and do the break in.

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Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on September 10, 2017, 07:59:30 PM
I finally got the rebuilt new motor installed and running, runs great and quiet with the new muffler. A friend gave me an old lever off some farm equipment to slide the motor back and forth to tension the belt what a great idea to tension the belt and release the the tension simplicity at it best.Tomorrow I will weld it up and try the new 7 degree ripper out if all goes well

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Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Kbeitz on September 10, 2017, 08:47:14 PM
You will need to put belt guards on the sides of your belt so it doesn't drag the drive pulley when released.
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on September 11, 2017, 12:00:23 AM
kbeitz thanks are they like the ones on a mower deck?
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Ljohnsaw on September 11, 2017, 12:16:16 AM
You need to have a guard all the way around just a little bit away from the belt when engaged.  That way, when you loosen it, it is supported by the guard and stays away from the pulleys.  Prevents the belt from continually dragging around the pulleys and keeping the blade turning.
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Kbeitz on September 11, 2017, 06:08:07 AM
 

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Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on September 11, 2017, 06:36:54 AM
Thanks Kbeitz and ljohnsaw
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Jemclimber on September 11, 2017, 06:57:42 AM
My little chipper uses a pin/shaft, one on top and one on the bottom, outside the driver pulley to keep the belt from rubbing when it's disengaged.  It might be easier to make than a shroud around the whole pulley.
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on September 11, 2017, 10:36:13 AM
Quote from: Jemclimber on September 11, 2017, 06:57:42 AM
My little chipper uses a pin/shaft, one on top and one on the bottom, outside the driver pulley to keep the belt from rubbing when it's disengaged.  It might be easier to make than a shroud around the whole pulley.
Thanks Jemclimber any pictures?
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Kbeitz on September 11, 2017, 08:56:52 PM
Quote from: Jemclimber on September 11, 2017, 06:57:42 AM
My little chipper uses a pin/shaft, one on top and one on the bottom, outside the driver pulley to keep the belt from rubbing when it's disengaged.  It might be easier to make than a shroud around the whole pulley.

A lot of mower decks are made that way...



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Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on September 11, 2017, 09:25:42 PM
Thanks Kbeitz Got everything welded on and cut some wood forgot to take pics. I don't know which one made the biggest difference the new motor or the blades but I think I'll keep the mill now LOL the difference is night and day. Now I have to pick some logs up tomorrow and make the video and put the pins in to hold the belt on. Did I saw how happy I am with the new improvements. LOL Thanks everyone for the help.
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: gww on September 11, 2017, 09:32:06 PM
Larry
Back in buisness. smiley_thumbsup smiley_thumbsup
gww
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Ox on September 12, 2017, 10:07:25 AM
 smiley_thumbsup
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on September 12, 2017, 09:16:32 PM
Here are the pics of the tensioner instead of a clutch the lever is off from an old hay rake. The lever slides the motor to tension the belt, works great I like the way it locks when I tension the belt.

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Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: trapper on September 12, 2017, 09:58:47 PM
made an 18"x14"x4' block for neighbor to mount his anvil to.  He can cut to length.  Also finished another poston  log planter.
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: grouch on September 12, 2017, 11:36:02 PM
larrydown60,

You need to add steam locomotive sound effects to that. (Hide the noise-maker so spectators won't know the secret). Spin some hand wheels, pull back on the old ratcheting belt tensioning lever -- chugging starts and speeds up as you pull it back (naturally, straining to control immense power that the onlookers can only imagine), yank on a rope to give a couple of steam whistle warning toots, and start sawing. Guaranteed to draw a crowd.

Ok, that might be over the top, but I really like the way you've used that old lever and ratchet.
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on September 13, 2017, 06:07:30 AM
grouch my friend that gave me the handle and the idea, uses one on his garden pulling tractor he said he pushes it forward and when he wants to go further he pushes the lever another click forward  LOL
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on September 14, 2017, 10:21:22 AM
Ok saw mill is cutting fantastic but I have no machinery to load the logs so I started collecting and gathering materials to build a log loader. I am going to build something similar to the cooks mp32 log loader. Everything will be under the frame 3x3 will slide into the 4x4 and be pined in place while installed

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Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Darrel on September 14, 2017, 10:40:56 AM
Good concept. Will be watching.
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Ox on September 14, 2017, 10:45:52 AM
You gonna put those swinging dogs to keep the log from rolling back down?
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on September 14, 2017, 10:33:15 PM
Ox I don't think so at first Maybe over the winter but I am going to use the 6 x 6 for now I need to get cutting some logs before that white stuff flies. I keep finding things to improve on I just need to cut some wood the only thing I have is a couple of small piles of spalted maple sad, But I have some nice logs if I can get them on top of the mill

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Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Darrel on September 15, 2017, 12:02:25 AM
Those 6X6's be kinda steep. What ya gonna use to pull the logs up that grade?
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on September 15, 2017, 07:36:30 AM
Darrel I am thinking probably a 3000 lb electric winch
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Crusarius on September 15, 2017, 10:59:09 AM
Weld a 20" flat piece on the end of the ramp and use a highlift jack lift the platform till level or a little higher then use a cant hook to roll it onto the bed.

Could also setup a jib crane using the winch in place of the high lift.

I think it be a lot easier raising the loading ramps to level than trying to pull a log up the full length of the ramp.
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: gww on September 15, 2017, 11:23:40 AM
The winch will probly roll the log up that.  What I find with a 2000 lbs winch is that when I stop part way up my ramps (which are much less of an angle) the winch break will not hold the bigger logs while I go around and make adjustments to the log when it goes sideways.  I use blocks in front of one end of the log to help turn it and blocks behind the log to keep it where it is untill I adjust the chain or cable from the winch.  Your situation makes ox's suggestion of putting little rotating stops along your ramp a pretty good ideal.  So try it with out them but if you have control problims, some kind of auto stops to keep the log where it is so you don't lose ground while making adjustments can be added if needed to bring it home.

Good luck
gww
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Crusarius on September 15, 2017, 11:53:54 AM
The auto stops also work nice if the log gets to twisted you just reverse the winch and the log should straighten up to the stops.

Very simple cantilever design to make auto stops.
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on September 17, 2017, 11:15:43 PM
Thanks everyone for the the advice, I do listen to them and use what I can. Right now I am about to lose 5- 20" black walnut trees that are about 20' long and 3 - cherry that are 25" by 10 foot long if I don't get them very soon. So this is what I am throwing together for right now. I will be putting a real hydraulic log loader on in the spring. The 6 x 6 is 6ft long I hope it will work for now. This is what I got done today I will have it done tomorrow. Sorry it gets dark here to early  In the one pic it shows a shiney plate that will bolt to bottom of the 6 x 6  and drop inside the 2 x 2  pocket to hold them in place

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Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Darrel on September 17, 2017, 11:36:16 PM
I got lost when I saw the tall square tubing that's too tall to stay in the picture. Not sure how that will help logs get on the mill. I'm sure that I'm just missing something even if it is in my own head.  ;D :D
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on September 18, 2017, 10:11:35 PM
Quote from: Darrel on September 17, 2017, 11:36:16 PM
I got lost when I saw the tall square tubing that's too tall to stay in the picture. Not sure how that will help logs get on the mill. I'm sure that I'm just missing something even if it is in my own head.  ;D :D
Darrel ck out the video on youtube for the Cooks mp32 the log loader is near end of the video
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on September 20, 2017, 10:28:49 PM
Got a little more done today just need a winch and fix all the wiring I mean clean it up

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Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Darrel on September 20, 2017, 10:57:14 PM
That most certainly looks like it will work splendidly!  And yes, I was missing something.  :P
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: 5quarter on September 21, 2017, 12:10:05 AM
Hi Larry...just catching up on your build...Wow! Absolutely outstanding job. Now stop tinkering and start sawing!  ;) :D :D
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on September 21, 2017, 01:11:29 PM
5quarter,I am just trying to get everything running good. I don't want to look any more foolish than I already do when I get to a job.I would hate to have a break down on my first job,when I go to someone's place the mill will be the best it can be. I have been cutting in my backyard to get all the little quirks out. I think I might have them really soon.I have quite the audience when I am sawing, a lot of the neighbors come over to watch it work LOL After 2 years of grinding and banging in the backyard they probably glad to hear it run. LOL I know I have enough parts to repair anything that goes wrong or breaks been ordering extras all along the build I might even try to get a video of it working by the weekend :)
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on September 23, 2017, 10:08:36 PM
After a little more testing I think I have the saw mill cutting very good Started on a spalted maple log tonight but it got dark way too early again,got one very nice looking slab 27" at the widest part by 4' long. Tried the ramps out to night using a strap and my truck The ramps weren't too steep for my truck to slide them on the mill LOL will pick up a winch on pay day video coming tomorrow. I cant rember 7 degree blades for pine and 10 degree blades for hardwood? Or do I have it backwards

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Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: fishfighter on September 24, 2017, 07:53:01 AM
I use 7 degree for everything. ;D
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on September 24, 2017, 08:58:43 PM
Quote from: fishfighter on September 24, 2017, 07:53:01 AM
I use 7 degree for everything. ;D
I tried the 7 degree blade on the maple And the 10 degree seemed to cut faster and smoother I have some cherry logs to cut next week I will give the 7 degree another chance Pics of the spalted maple I cut up today with 10 degree and a few of the cherry I am going to cut next week. Sorry everyone I went get a video today and the camera baterry was dead I guess it sat in the truck to long waiting to get a video  LOL

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Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on September 29, 2017, 10:43:58 PM
I should have the winch - loader all done tomorrow. Yesterday I messed around loading this monster on the saw mill with my truck and forgot to put the log stops up and rolled it off the other side of the mill LOL After a lot of bad words and messing around I finally got it back on the mill :-\ Before the next log goes on the mill I will have the winch hooked up  this one is 27" x 7' and heavy

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Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: grouch on September 29, 2017, 11:24:42 PM
That thing has warts and could hurt your shins.
Should make some pretty boards.
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on September 30, 2017, 10:28:15 PM
Ok I finally got my winch installed on the log loader I hope it makes loading easier ???

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Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Kbeitz on October 01, 2017, 12:47:44 AM
Oh yes you will like that...
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: fishfighter on October 01, 2017, 07:16:57 AM
Larry, one thing to remember, the dryer the log, the harder it is to saw. That is why the 10 degree blades are sawing a bit faster. When you get fresh fell logs, you will be a happy camper. ;D
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: grouch on October 01, 2017, 12:37:36 PM
That first picture messed with my head -- I was trying to figure out why you'd stand a log on end to load it.
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: JRWoodchuck on October 04, 2017, 06:25:05 PM
I have a winch set up that is quite similar. I put a port on both sides just incase I needed to load a log from either side. Turns out it comes in handy!
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on October 04, 2017, 10:15:08 PM
JRWoodchuck I can easily switch sides with mine just need to weld some more pockets on the other side for the ramps Sometimes I can use my head for more than a hat rack LOL
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Ga Mtn Man on October 05, 2017, 10:19:13 AM
Quote from: grouch on October 01, 2017, 12:37:36 PM
That first picture messed with my head -- I was trying to figure out why you'd stand a log on end to load it.
To slice cookies off of the bottom of course.
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on October 06, 2017, 02:51:22 AM
OK here it goes made a small video today, hopefully it works on here I sawed 3 - 1 x 12 in the video and a couple of short shots of what some of the options are I still have to hook up the drive motor and speed controler and a few other odds and ends but it saws very good and straight  :embarassed: sorry it took so long to get a video for you all. Enjoy it I will post more of cutting and post when it is all painted  finished up. If you see anything I can improve feel free to let me know thanks for everyone's input
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXfjEoufpaI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9feNgIOECo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yry5PnEzCVY
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: fishfighter on October 06, 2017, 07:38:20 AM
Looking at the first video, when rolling backwards, it looks like your blade is making full contact with the cant. If so, there is a good chance you might throw the blade.
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Magicman on October 06, 2017, 07:55:51 AM
That sawmill is very professionally built Sir.  Your efforts will be rewarded with much high quality sawn lumber.   8)
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: gww on October 06, 2017, 09:26:35 AM
Larry
I waited two years for this and now that I have finally seen it, it embarrasses me so much I want to take my pictures of mine down so no one can see how much worse it is than yours.  Very nice.

Did you load that log with you new log loader or is that the big one that was already sitting on the mill?  Just curious of how the loading is going?

Verry nice
gww
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on October 06, 2017, 11:30:14 AM
Thank you everyone without your help, ideas, pics and prodding I probably never would have finished this project it has been fun and aggravating all at the same time. I will keep posting upgrades, because every day that I use it I find minor things that need improvement. Fishfighter I was was not raising the blade I was seeing if everything was staying straight when I was cutting, it was. I normally raise the head when dragging the head back. gww I did use the winch to get that log up there It took about 2 mins total and I did not even break a sweat. LOL The winch is a cheap harbor frieght 2500 lb 73.00 I got the extended warranty all total out the door was 125.00 the nice thing about the winch is that it came with a remote I can stand on the loadinding side away from the winch and straighten the log as needed when loading I will shoot a video of it loading as soon as I get more logs. I cut everything I had laying around. LOL over the winter I am collecting hydraulic parts for the next phase loader ,turner and ?
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: JRWoodchuck on October 06, 2017, 06:21:32 PM
I would say toe rollers. When milling long stuff they are real handy for getting the log exactly where you want it. Mine are manual and my mill can cut 18' 2" with rollers I can put and 18'2" log on there and get it perfectly where I need it.
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: fishfighter on October 07, 2017, 06:12:26 AM
Got you Larry. Looks like it is sawing real good. Your hard work will be rewarding. ;D
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on October 08, 2017, 07:13:49 PM
Sawed up those 2 little pines and ended up getting 210 bft out of them. Today I added a sawdust deflector to shoot the sawdust into a 5 gal pail

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Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Kbeitz on October 08, 2017, 08:48:48 PM
The only time I us a bucket is when someone wants the sawdust.
I cut some sassafras the other day and they wanted the sawdust
for smoking meat.
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Crusarius on October 08, 2017, 08:54:15 PM
how many times did you have to empty the bucket on that pile of lumber?
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on October 08, 2017, 09:58:50 PM
Quote from: Crusarius on October 08, 2017, 08:54:15 PM
how many times did you have to empty the bucket on that pile of lumber?
I just put that on today I only sawed about 8 piece to day I just cleaned up some I bys that were from opening up the logs with lots of wane you can see whats in the bucket I am just trying to keep the saw dust from killing the grass in the backyard ;D
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Crusarius on October 09, 2017, 09:16:45 AM
Larry what did you use for a fuel tank? that looks just like something I was thinking about doing. Yesterday when working on my sawmill I thought that would be the perfect spot for it to.
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on October 09, 2017, 11:42:07 AM
Quote from: Crusarius on October 09, 2017, 09:16:45 AM
Larry what did you use for a fuel tank? that looks just like something I was thinking about doing. Yesterday when working on my sawmill I thought that would be the perfect spot for it to.
It is a 6 gal boat fuel tank. I pick it up at Walmart
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: 47sawdust on October 09, 2017, 12:24:26 PM
I had a bucket hanging off my Lt30 for quite a while.I found it to be a nuisance,slowed down what passes for production here.Now I let it fly and clean it up with the bucket on the tractor.Not a criticism,just personal experience.
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on October 11, 2017, 10:19:54 PM
I got sick of the belt flying off so I built these today I hope they work once I got these bolted on they are closer than they look in the photos I will find out tomorrow in the daylight. Did I say how much I hate the early dark nights

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Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on October 14, 2017, 10:59:07 PM
Ok here is the log loader in action https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maDd4MDkvBE
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on October 14, 2017, 11:13:05 PM
Here is A load of wood I got today And another load to get Tues or Wed and a second video of the log loader with a longer log I couldn't center it on the mill because I had a couple hundred board ft sitting on the end of the mill and couldn't move the head back all the way so the log just cleared the blade covers

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3b8IXuq8qQ
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Ljohnsaw on October 15, 2017, 02:19:52 AM
Looks good!  A simple fix will help a lot with off center or odd log loading.  Use a V shaped cable.  Run a cable from a few feet on each side of your winch and hook the middle to the winch cable.  The two cables will load the log evenly.
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on October 15, 2017, 06:38:13 AM
Thanks ljohnsaw I will do that
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: gww on October 15, 2017, 09:39:39 AM
Thanks for the vidio, very nice.
gww
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on October 17, 2017, 11:09:14 PM
Log Loader fail back to the drawing board I am going to weld a 2" x 4" x 1/4 in the place of the 2 x 2 

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Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Ljohnsaw on October 17, 2017, 11:50:52 PM
ouch :-\

Since the bottom cable does not move, it should be attached as low as possible when hauling the log up on the mill.  As it is, it is pulling on the arm when it doesn't need to.  You could even attach it to the winch tower below the rail height.

Also, the height of the winch only needs to be high enough for the cable to clear the far rail when the log is on the ground.  You might think about making a truss with the tower.  Place a 6 to 8" or so piece of 2x2 as a strut on the back side half way up.  Then run a strap from top to bottom over the strut.
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Crusarius on October 18, 2017, 03:25:34 PM
Does the winch stay in place all the time or only when you are loading?

The cable could be from the winch around the log and back to the bed instead of the tower.

If the winch does not stay in place all the time just add a brace from the winch to the bed. Or add a removeable gusset. I would not feel bad at all about removable gusset and continue to use that setup. As long as you connect the cable to the bed instead of the tower.
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on October 18, 2017, 08:07:06 PM
I went to the local welding shop today showed the pictures of what happened and we went outside to the scrap pile and they fixed me up with a 3" x 6" x 3/8 tube and said this one won't bend LOL it is a heavy piece I also trimed all the knots off the log should load a little easier now. Crusarius the loader is removeable and I can load from either side of the mill I will have it all welded and back together in the morning.

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Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Crusarius on October 18, 2017, 08:21:02 PM
are you going to be able to remove it and lift it now? :)
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on October 18, 2017, 08:37:26 PM
Crusarius I don't know  ??? I will have to put grade 8 bolts on the winch now LOL
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: gww on October 18, 2017, 08:46:42 PM
With that log, you are going to get to check the brake on the winch if you have to stop and straiten the log while going up.  My little winch would pull it but if I stopped it would back down the ramps.
Cheers
gww
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on October 19, 2017, 08:15:34 PM
I won today I finally got that big log loaded after rebuilding the log loader I used 3" x 6" x 3/8 tube with 2" x1/2 flat stock for the gusset supports and it worked flawlessly. I think I could pull my truck up those ramps

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Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: gww on October 19, 2017, 08:38:20 PM
 smiley_applause
gww
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on October 19, 2017, 08:43:06 PM
gww I forgot to mention I did stop this log 3/4 of the way up the ramps and the winch held it
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: thecfarm on October 19, 2017, 09:19:26 PM
Next problem.
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: gww on October 19, 2017, 09:22:39 PM
larry
I am surprized cause yours does not look that much differrent then mine and my angle of attack is deffinatly not as steep.
Sounds great and I am jelous of you machine.  I am not jelouse of how long it took to build though ;D.
Cheers
gww
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on October 19, 2017, 10:37:57 PM
Quote from: thecfarm on October 19, 2017, 09:19:26 PM
Next problem.
They are getting fewer everyday Learning as I go.I wish I had spent some time around a saw mill be fore building one I could have saved a lot of time redoing things. gww I had a very limited budget every month and a few surgeries The last few months I have neglected my truck repairs to finish the mill. Snow is coming soon time to repair truck for the snowplowing.
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on October 26, 2017, 04:46:17 PM
A little update I am able to cut 8"wide pine 1/8 thick x 8'long but the other day I put a new blade on and I could not cut straight to save my life every cut dove badly after 6" into a cut. Long story short 6 hrs later and after rechecking everything and walking away from the sawmill for the night, the next morning I changed the blade again and it was back to cutting straight again. The blade was the problem brand new out of the box. My lumber pile is slowly growing and all the scrap is too LOL

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Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: thecfarm on October 26, 2017, 04:52:13 PM
My OWB would like the scraps. Hard to burn that stuff in a wood stove. Kinda have to mix it in. Takes a while to get rid of a pile.
Glad to hear it was the blade.
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Kbeitz on October 26, 2017, 06:29:24 PM
Check your set. Sounds like you need more.
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: fishfighter on October 27, 2017, 07:33:47 AM
Scrap is a problem for me. I can't give it away most of the time. But, I do have a buddy coming this weekend to get a few loads of oak for firewood. We will NOT burn any pine in the fireplace. :o
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on October 27, 2017, 10:26:05 AM
Quote from: Kbeitz on October 26, 2017, 06:29:24 PM
Check your set. Sounds like you need more.
Kbeitz I have been running these blades for a little while 7 and 10 degree they have been cutting great that is why when it started diving I thought something was out of wack but it turns out it was just that blade. After the new blade started cutting straight I put the blade that was diving back on and it was still diving I will send it back when I order next batch of blades. I will try some 4 degree blades next batch
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Kbeitz on October 27, 2017, 11:58:00 AM
Quote from: larrydown60 on October 27, 2017, 10:26:05 AM
Quote from: Kbeitz on October 26, 2017, 06:29:24 PM
Check your set. Sounds like you need more.
Kbeitz I have been running these blades for a little while 7 and 10 degree they have been cutting great that is why when it started diving I thought something was out of wack but it turns out it was just that blade. After the new blade started cutting straight I put the blade that was diving back on and it was still diving I will send it back when I order next batch of blades. I will try some 4 degree blades next batch

Check the set of both the good and the bad blades and let us know if there is a difference.
Maybe you got a blade with no set.
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on October 27, 2017, 05:05:22 PM
Today I loaded my biggest log yet 28" x 10' white pine the winch loader loaded it up with no hesitation.  I think I like it LOL

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Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Kbeitz on October 27, 2017, 05:47:44 PM
I love White Pine. On my mill I need a lot of set in the blade to get a nice cut...
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Crusarius on October 27, 2017, 07:24:35 PM
I need to get my mill done. I am getting jealous.
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on October 27, 2017, 09:38:13 PM
Quote from: Crusarius on October 27, 2017, 07:24:35 PM
I need to get my mill done. I am getting jealous.
Crusarius your build is flying compared to mine it took over 2 years to build mine you are making me look bad and really slow LOL
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Darrel on October 28, 2017, 08:35:06 PM
Quote from: larrydown60 on October 27, 2017, 09:38:13 PM
Quote from: Crusarius on October 27, 2017, 07:24:35 PM
I need to get my mill done. I am getting jealous.
Crusarius your build is flying compared to mine it took over 2 years to build mine you are making me look bad and really slow LOL

And it took the rest of us two years just to read about it and look at the pictures! 8)
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Crusarius on October 28, 2017, 10:10:32 PM
I am just really anxious to get sawing and get my shop.
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on October 29, 2017, 08:52:15 PM
Crappy day out today rain and chilly with 1,000s of geese headed south. these are some pictures of the lumber I got out of the last log I loaded up. I would like to know if I should be getting more bft out of a blade?  I am only getting about 400 bft out of a blade and in white pine I am getting wavey on my 2 x 4 s around knots is this normal?  I am using 7 degree blades on this go round.

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Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Kbeitz on October 29, 2017, 09:22:48 PM
If they are in NY today then I guess I'll be seeing them tomorrow in Pa.
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on October 30, 2017, 09:17:15 AM
Quote from: Kbeitz on October 29, 2017, 09:22:48 PM
If they are in NY today then I guess I'll be seeing them tomorrow in Pa.
I am only 40 min from Pa Border 30 mile north of Binghamton NY They probably took them 20 mins as the crow flies I kind wish the geese would stay and the damned crows would leave, they come to the city in the winter and crap all over everything and tear the trash bags open all winter and there is no open season on them in the city. LOL
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on October 31, 2017, 11:06:28 PM
Got another load of spruce today Got the last of the white pine loaded onto the mill and went to start the mill and all I got was sparks jumping out of the motor slide must be I have a bad ground.I will move the ground wire from the saw frame to the bolt on the motor mount. 

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Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Darrel on November 01, 2017, 10:25:06 AM
I really like your mill!
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on November 01, 2017, 10:47:28 AM
Thanks Darrel
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Crusarius on November 01, 2017, 11:06:57 AM
Larry, do you find the need for 2 axles? Mine is going to have a 24' bed and I was only planning 1.
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Florida boy on November 01, 2017, 08:07:52 PM
From what I can tell with our syp  is that a slightly dull blade will leave wavy cuts, knots will definitely  wave even with a sharp blade of you don't go slow. I usually get more then 400 bf but am also usually cutting 2x material. I thinking I get between 700 and a thousand but if there is sand or dirt in the logs it drops significantly. Just my 2 cents
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on November 01, 2017, 11:52:10 PM
Quote from: Crusarius on November 01, 2017, 11:06:57 AM
Larry, do you find the need for 2 axles? Mine is going to have a 24' bed and I was only planning 1.
not yet  but I am planning on a trip to florida with the mill it will help with speed and the distanceI will be driving. The mill weighs about 4000 lbs
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Jack S on November 02, 2017, 11:16:32 AM
When I built my mill trailer I put tandem axles also, mainly for stability and ride. A single axle tends to bound where as a tandem just seems to float going down the road. I feel it will make it a lot easier on the mill. When Larry goes down 81 and 95 he will appreciate what I mean especially when going over every bridge overpass. been running that route over 25 years and it never gets any better  Jack
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Crusarius on November 02, 2017, 12:00:46 PM
I have a torsion axle from a horse trailer. I dunno how bad it is going to bounce. we will see.
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Jack S on November 02, 2017, 02:20:33 PM
  Crusarius, I have a 12 foot enclosed trailer with the torsion suspension and it works great. 20 years so far but having owned tandem equipment trailers they just ride so much better, they just float over the bumps. My feeling is why not help keep our mills from getting kicked around. might keepem more accurate. by the way you and Larry both have been doing a super job on your mill builds
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on May 14, 2018, 11:57:46 AM
 Hi everyone after a year of surgeries and healing from toe and knee surgeries I am back and started sawing again  I will be showing a few videos later of a few things I have done in the last couple of weeks. 
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: bwstout on May 14, 2018, 02:34:27 PM
 I like your mill have one looks a lot like it I got plans from Texas Ben off ebay.
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on May 14, 2018, 10:35:32 PM
Quote from: bwstout on May 14, 2018, 02:34:27 PM
I like your mill have one looks a lot like it I got plans from Texas Ben off ebay.
That is who I got my plans from but I made it wider 36" and I also made so it would lift 36" tall and a few other modifications. 
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: bwstout on May 15, 2018, 01:17:28 PM
i whish I had done the same I stayed with the plans and now have a pecan log and sycamore that is the 36" range I will have to do a little chain sawing before I can cut them. My intentions  were to build a mill so to cut bowl blanks and not have to split the logs with a chain saw. But as it always happens it gets bigger and friends what something now I saw lumber and have plans to build a kiln before summer ends
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on May 16, 2018, 10:02:29 PM
bwstout, I also have plans on building 1-2. Just got a 1964 2010 John Deere Industrial tractor with a front loader to help lift the logs on to the mill and move the logs around
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Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on May 16, 2018, 11:21:38 PM
Hi everyone, I have a few videos of a band saw blade sharpener I built while I was recovering from knee replacement and a heart attack. I have also been updating the saw mill I will posting more videos of the upgrades and some jigs I built for cutting beveled siding I have been busy the last couple of weeks.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkPuorYKcf4
 
and  the second video is of it sharpening a blade with it.
Homemade band saw blade sharpener sharpening a blade - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOmiLi-Fihw&t=375s)
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Darrel on May 16, 2018, 11:46:54 PM
I'm impressed Larry. 
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on May 17, 2018, 01:01:57 AM
Thanks Darrel, Here is another video of siding jigs I built a couple of weeks ago they cut 8" siding 1/4 x 3/4 they are real simple to build they are complements of JosalJo Won on youtube he shows how to build them. I have cut over 200 pieces of siding with them so far with no problems. My neighbor liked the siding I cut so much he wants me to to cut 1000 sq ft of hemlock for a house he is restoring 

Sawmill cutting beveled siding - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qo7aLvCI41w)
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: larrydown60 on May 17, 2018, 01:10:25 AM
Sorry I thought I explained the jigs in the first video so here is a short video explaining them a little .

Sawmill siding Jigs - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KeqoykGDA4)
Title: Re: More Pics of my sawmill build
Post by: Darrel on May 17, 2018, 09:51:40 AM
Very simple and very nice.