Well i have had a second Lombard chassis hanging around for about 35 years and finally started to work on it !!!! ;D I have been thinking about powering it with a few of the original engines ,but decided i wanted to be able to run it and not worry about breaking down and not finding any engine parts.I decided to make a "Cleve West special"! ;D Lombard only made 1 diesel Lombard the last machine built in the late 1930's,it was powered with a big Fairbanks-Morse 6 cylinder diesel engine. Well in the late 1940's a Errol N.H. logging contractor Cleve West decided to make 1 of his gas Lombards over into a diesel, the only one to do this as far as i know. He took a TD-18 International engine and installed it into his tractor,it was quite successful,on a few jobs for Brown Co. in Berlin,and Hollingsworth and Whitney of Waterville maine he hauled between 10,000-12,000 cords of wood between 5 to 7 miles and landed them at lake .and riverside landings.The diesel being more economical,and having a higher RPM range then the old gas engines, cold move the tractor at a higher speed. West was the last known operator to use a Lombard tractor in the woods.
I salvaged an engine out of a TD-18A international crawler at the scrapyard this fall and i been working on doing the conversion,heres a few pictures of my progress so far.
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you cant work on this old iron without having an occasional beverage !!!! ;D ;D Don
I will really enjoy this thread! Please keep the pictures and details coming and thanks for sharing.
I'll probably get the side panels finished tomorrow,then i will make up the steering chains,need to go to Maine radiator for a core, and i want to get the deck done,thats as far as i probably get before snow ;D i got to go back to the scrapyard and shear a bunch this week,and muzzle loader season is here !!! so much to do so little time . ;D ;D Don
This is really cool 8)
I can't wait to hear it run! I've really got the hankering for some more IH diesels. I might end up with that 16, but an 18 or a 24 would also be cool. With an IH, you can start it anytime, anywhere you want. I've crank started my UD-9, but haven't quite gotten the courage to try the 16 yet.
Dave, If you ever watch ice road truckers, a guy i know is on there once in a while,Joey Barnes he goes by "THE KING OF OBSOLETE" he lives in Lynn lake, Manitoba and uses a bunch of the old international crawler tractor for sled train transport, he has a bunch from td 6 thru td 18 crawlers , and likes their starting system in the great white north!!! He has a bunch of lombard sleds that he uses as well as a linn log hauler. A while ago on craigslist there was a UD-24 engine for sale in vermont,i think its long gone now.We had a Link-belt 98 crane in the scrapyard for a while ,it had a ud 525 engine in it just a bit bigger and newer then your ud-16,some friends of mine bought it and are clamshelling their gravel pit with it. Im not real fond of the early International bulldozers ,they had the reputation of being a "CAST IRON" bulldozer,but their engines were pretty good !! ;D ;D Don
No question in my mind, if a bear came along you would tackle it with your bare hands. I admire your spunk. 8)
I see KoO posting on the IH forum. He's got a nice collection, and it's cool that he still uses them.
Those and his "SCREAMIN" ford!! he loves that 318 Detroit in that thing!!
I ran a GMC General with a 318 and a 13 speed a few times. Did pretty well hauling corn. I'll stick to Cummins, thank you. :) I've actually been wondering how hard it would be to put a UD-16 in my Loadstar 1800.
Glad to see that I am not the only one here that enjoys old iron.
Nice job Loggah. Keep us in the loop on the progress.
I do like threads like this. ;D
Please keep us updated!
I am getting in on this also. I would love to see it running.
Geez all it takes to do that is a propane torch and a bottle of brew! I am in!
I got the hood panels built yesterday,made them out of 1/8" plate,pre rusted!! ;D i had to put a bump in one to clear the international fuel filters,i still have to attach the handles to each panel,but the international engine fits pretty well. Heres a few pictures. Don
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It takes a special breed of cat to be a junk yard dawg .Not eveybody is up to the task .I like it myself . ;D
Al, i get all my best tools at the junkyard!!!people throw away good old american made stuff and buy new chinese crap !!!! ??? actually today i found a standard cutlery Bowie knife made in England around 1900, one on e-bay for $400 !!!! ;D
I raid the scrap tubs at work .Industrial dumpster diving so to speak .I've gotten several chainsaws from other dumpster divers that needed very little repair .One is very fine running McCulloch model 700
Fact I've gotten 6 Stihl chainsaws from a dealers dead pile for very little cost and they all ran after a little work .Then I can't help but scratch my head when they talk about spending 7-800 dollars for a dang chainsaw to cut firewood. ???
So I guess if you aren't a junk yard dawg you better have a lot of money --or good credit . ;)
You should see my farm! Pretty much make a living off other peoples throw away stuff, it can be aggravating at times but I always know where to find parts ;D.
Loggah,
Do you ever do anything light!?
Wow,you are in the right business.
Mick
;D Just light beer !! in my old age. ;D
Quote from: loggah on November 03, 2014, 05:27:19 PM
Al, i get all my best tools at the junkyard!!!people throw away good old american made stuff and buy new chinese crap !!!! ??? actually today i found a standard cutlery Bowie knife made in England around 1900, one on e-bay for $400 !!!! ;D
Do your local scrap yard sell by the pound? Its 15 cents a pound here. That is where I am getting most of my metal for my mill build. If I had time I would see if I could build a mill totally from the scrap yard.
It depends on what it is to sell,just steel pretty much by the lb.old equipment,engines ,stuff like that he just sets a price on.
Heres a few more pictures,i have the hood handles on, the steering chains on, fitting the td-18 fuel tank,and the newly cast platform chairs bolted on. I have a radiator core being built by Maine radiator in Auburn Maine,and today sawed out a big white oak to build the platform that the cab would bolt to. I am bolting down the platform green so it will dry in place.Heres a few more pictures.
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smiley_thumbsup smiley_thumbsup Great project 8) 8)
So what are you going to do with it when you're done? :)
Peter,I haven't thought that far ahead ! ;D ;D I know i will run it a few times at some snowmobile meets, got to compete with the model"T" ford snowmobiles.I intend to finish making a couple sets of sleds to pull behind it ,for a historic display. Don
Auburn is only an hour from me. When you come pick on the raditor,just a little bit more will bring you to my place.
Who do you use for casting work? We use an Amish place in PA.
There is a non-ferrous foundry in Franklin about 30 miles from me,Patriot Foundry,great people to do work with,young couple own it and are very accommodating,i brought parts in loose with no patterns,and they did great work.The only iron foundry left in N.H. is in Nashua. Years ago when i had iron castings made i used Buchanan brothers foundry in Chelmsford Mass.
If you need iron cast , CanDo in StAnne ,Illinois will ship across the country . send him a part or pattern . He will make the parts you need . I watched him cast an exhaust stack for a Case steamengine . It was about 65" tall . He makes brake shoes for modelT fords on a standing order . I have had a lot of parts cast myself . I think he does a good job . let me know if you need any info for CanDo Metals
I gottta throw my 2 cents worth in this one of the most interesting posts I have followed in a long time loggah you the man !! ;D
Hi Loggah
I live in NH and my BIL lives in Campton and is in the logging trade .
When you run the tractor I would love to see it run .
Thanks Jim/Bruno of NH
Jim, Who is your BIL?? send me a pm with his name ,pretty shore i know every logger in town. ;D I wont have this machine running until next summer. I got called from Maine radiator today ,my core is ready headed over to Maine on monday morning. I have the deck half done,will finish it tomorrow and then finish mounting the fuel tank. Don
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Heres a few more pictures,i have the hood handles on, the steering chains on, fitting the td-18 fuel tank,and the newly cast platform chairs bolted on. I have a radiator core being built by Maine radiator in Auburn Maine,and today sawed out a big white oak to build the platform that the cab would bolt to. I am bolting down the platform green so it will dry in place.Heres a few more pictures.
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I the last pic you may want to beef up that center drive shaft. Looks a little weak to me. ;)
The Lombard factory tried pretty hard to build things that wouldn't break ! ;D the shaft is solid 2 1/2" diameter steel and has some massive u-joints on each end. I have seen main axles spirlal twisted off and left in the woods and they are 3 1/2" in diameter! :o Don
Over the weekend i finished building the deck and then i finished bolting down the fuel tank.The floorboards in side the cab area are removable and the center panels over the driveline are also.I bolted and screwed this together out of White Oak we just sawed last week had about 500 board ft out of 1 log,i had a bunch of it sawn into 1 3/4" that i will stick and let dry to build the cab frame. Heres some pictures of the deck.
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Nice work Loggah.
Wish I could be their to lend a hand.
I like that old equipment. ;D
Buddy, My work is pretty crude compared to your restored equipment! ;D Snowing and raining today drove to Lewiston Maine and picked up my radiator core. I plan on bolting the radiator together tomorrow,and then start building my front skis.
Are the skis W Oak too?
Peter,I actually have a set of skis all built out of red oak,they are on the back of my other tractor for display purposes.I am going to weld these up out of steel they are always in contact with the ground and wooden ones rot out pretty quick.I know they wont be right but they will be "NO" maintenance.
Good Idea, 6 or 8" wide 4 or 5' long ½" steel plate?
maybe you could cover the top of the skis with white oak . make it look like wood skis and very few would know the truth.
5' long,5" wide and 1' high.I will just let them rust,very few people know whats right or wrong,and most dont care.
:D Oh but they can tell you all about it.
Well yesterday i put the radiator together and bolted it in the tractor.This morning i finished making up the hoses and filling the radiator with 15 gallons of antifreeze mix. Heres the pictures of the radiator with core in place.
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My next step is to weld up the skis for it,and throw away those half rotten blocks of maple its sitting on!!!!! ;D ;D
Real nice there Loggah, sure dont see any of them down here. :)
I see I have a few more reasons to come visit. Impressive!
did they ever make them with a wheeled axle ?
Lombard made a axle assembly for summer use,i have one i made for my other tractor identical to a factory unit.I been cutting out the steel plate for my skis most of the day,probably take a several days to get them fully welded up and mounted.Heres my other tractor with wheels,the ski assembly is in front of it.
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The skis must last a long time with steel over the w oak like that. Is there a finn on the underside of the steel runner?
There is a 1/2" x 2" steel skeag under the 1/2" x 5" steel shoe,just like on a snow mobile .
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There is a 1/2" x 2" steel skeag under the 1/2" x 5" steel shoe,just like on a snow mobile .
Yeah, I thought so. Back in the day they must have parked the back tracks up on some wood so not to freeze in. Like my 690 JD got it up on AT&T poles.
Nice to see that loggah, I remember going to the maine antique tractor festival one year out of many and seeing a couple of guys who had brought out a Lombard. They restore them and had several pictures of them actually working when the first were bought and a timeline of the fix. They are one tough machine. It looks like you definitely know what you are doing so keep on trukin.
Peter,when they were not running these machines they were kept in a warm shed.Once the machines were started they were run outside and the tracks were run up on wood blocks and the machine was left idling while the tracks were allowed to cool off. They found that running a warm tracked machine directly into the snow, the snow would build up and freeze on the tracks making the grousers basically worthless.Mainer that would be the Brettons from Vasselboro,they have a number of lombard machines. Don
How was the rear deck used ? To add weight for more traction or to haul supplies or smaller product out of the wood?
The deck was used to haul supplies,extra gas, reach poles, tools, just anything they wanted .Some may have put extra weight on it ,not sure.Here is an original picture of the machine im working on now,Ed Lacroix number 9 from the Allagash,churchill depot.This tractor is pulling a pretty good string of sleds.
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How did they stop all those sleds?
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How did they stop all those sleds?
At a guess they didn't use them on hills? ;) :D
Air brakes !!!! ;D ;D ;D Actually they did haul on some hilly ground.They had what were called "ROAD MONKEYS" usually green guys or old loggers that were not really able to log any more that kept hay or put gravel,sand in the sled ruts to slow them down. on some of the steeper grades the driver would put the tractor in neutral and coast that way the engine wouldn't overspeed. In the lombard brochures it is stated that the tracks were able to stand speeds of up to 20 miles per hour ;D
Bet that was quite a ride! How fast have you had one of yours?
Probably 7-8 miles per hour,but i didnt have 100 tons of wood behind me. ;D the brakes will stop the tracks with no problem ,but if you did that with loaded sleds behind you your going to jack knife.In the steam log haulers you could put the "JOHNSON BAR" to the reverse side and feather the throttle to help on a downgrade.
I'd like one of those for Christmas,but I don't know if I've been good enough!
Excellent work,great post.
Mick
You should have taken better care of the ones that were used at maidstone and wenlock and you would have one for christmas !!! ;D ;D
Well im getting the skis put together slowly,my wife took a few pictures of what im up to !! tacking them together before i finish welding them up.
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No snow in those pics... must have missed you in NH.
Ski's look great, and you are fast.... like Lyle Niemi. ;D
Well we got about 8" of snow so far,since noon. My wife took the pictures this morning. ;D
I got to this party late... all I can say is WOW!!!
I hate to see your project go into hibernation Don, but I know what you mean about time.
Well i got 1 ski all done ,except for the 1/2" x 2" skeag on the bottom,and still working on the other one. Heres a few pictures . The bud lite bottle is for scale !! ;D these skis are 6' long 12" high,and 5" thick,all made up of 1/2" thick steel plate.When there all together there a bit heavy !!!! ;D ;D
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Nice job, Must be 200lb each. What color are you going to paint them?
I like your scale ;). I hope you don't drop one your toe, that'd hurt for awhile! How'd you put the bow in the steel, heat, bend, and weld as you went around? They look great, I have a buddy that can do that sort of thing with that heavy of iron and minimal tools to work with it, I'd just screw it up :-\.
Don,
Is there a crane attached to the roof of the RV?I know your a rugged old bear but ........
Closer to 300 lbs each with the mount bolted on ,im just going to leave it rusty for the moment!!! ;D ;D like a barn find. No crane , i do have a chain fall in the front of the shed ,but not where im welding. i pre-bent the top pieces using my big cletrac track and 280 lbs of dead weight,me !!!! ;D ;D,then fine tuned the bend as i welded it in place.
300lb, well it won't do a wheelie. ;D
Actually the old time operators use to rear them up a bit and just hit the clutch for a second dropping the tractor and catching it in the air to break frozen sleds loose !! ;D ;D which resulted in bent frames on the early machines that didnt have the extended outside frame rails! ;D Lombard then pit a 1" thick steel plate the full length of the inner frame and then extended the outside frame and tying it back to the inner frame. He also used a strap iron strongback under the frame also. Both of my frames are braced up ,and they still are bent a bit.In logging you know how it is if a machine was designed to move 3 cords at a time most will try to pull 6 !!! ;D ;D Hopefully i will finish the other ski today and then i can slide them in place. In this picture you can see the 1" plate inside the channel iron and where it was notched out for bolt heads.The original engine only weighed about 1500 lbs and the international engine weighs 3000 lbs,that should help keep the wheelies down also ! ;D
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What was the relationship between Linn and Lombard????
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Don't let Slider see these trucks. ;D
Ah, Joey Barnes Linn Logger,and a Linn c-5 Cattruck !!!! Not sure of the Cattruck owner ,but i know Rene Elliott used to have one for sale !!!!
Harry.H.Linn used to have a traveling dog show and traveled around New England in the early 1900's He lived in Maine and had heard about lombards steam haulers and he was looking for a better method to pull his trailers around the state on Maines dirt roads in all types of weather. Lombard built 2 vehicles for Linn,one a traveling house trailer, dual wheels in the front and tracks in the rear ,and a single track machine with two wheels in front and a single wide track in the rear. That machine also had a portable generator built in to power the lighting for Linns show. Linn was very happy with the machines as they worked well,so he became lombards first traveling salesman.
Linn worked for lombard for quite a few years, and later he decided to move to Morris New York and manufacture his own machines,he started making them in his factory in 1916 in Morris. The Linn machines had a few modifications that actually made them a better machine for contractor purposes. they had a 4 speed transmission with reverser so they had 4 gears in reverse,they had final drives off the differential so they had more ground clearance,also dual sprockets to drive the tracks better. Lombard actually took Linn to court over patent infringment !!!!! because linn was claiming he invented the crawler tread, that soon got dropped when Linn took back his claim. Linn actually made around 2500 trucks and tractors total ,compared to lombards couple hundred . I could go into a lot more detail but my 1 typing finger is getting a cramp !!!!! ;D Heres a picture of my Linn truck ,i will be getting a cab rebuilt this coming summer ,i think !!
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Heres a few pictures of the Lombards that were made for Linn !!
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Right before he "invented" the caterpillar track? This single units are neat. Do you have one of those?
lombard only made a few of the single track machines, seems they tipped over easily! ;D As far as anyone knows theres none left. The house wagon used a set of steamer tracks on the rear.
What do you suppose the belt driven gizmo is off the side in that middle pic? A generator? Did all these have proprietary gas motors?
It was a generator for his tent shows, There was a Brennen engine in the house wagon, not sure on the single track machine.Lombard made his own engines for a short while but evetually bought from several engine manufacturers, Brennen, Lombard, Van Blearke, Wisconsin,Sterling,Hercules and 1 Fairbanks Morse Diesel
Well i finally got my skis all welded up and slid on the axle. I been slacking off because my glasses kept fogging up under my helmet !! >:( so i ordered a 2x diopter for my helmet off e-bay and it came the other day,no more glasses while welding . ;D heres the pictures.I'm not stoned in the first picture,my wife had me staring into the sun !!!! ;D ;D
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Your ski's turned out great.
I have the opposite welding issue with my eyes. Being nearsighted, I have to remove my glasses now when reading or welding.
Those skids look cocker,good job,nice work. Wished you was closer
would love to work with ya,one could learn a lot from ya.
Whitepine2
Those skis are great! Are you happy with them?
Have you run it around the yard yet???
Nice Job, I thought The skeags would be bigger.
Don,
Have you priced those Ranger boots lately?Last time I checked they were over $200.00.Crazy?
Lotta guys over here look like their staring into the sun, but there not.
The engine was a good runner when i took it out of the international TD-18A tractor. I had to cut the old dash out of the frame it had so many holes in it ,it looked like swiss cheese. I welded in a new dash out of 1/8" thick steel and i have not done anything with engine controls,i was waiting for warmer weather to do any of that . I have to make the starting mechanism,and a new throttle quadrant assembly.I also have to cut the holes for the gauges and engine starter switch.I made the skis look like the factory originals,im happy they wont rot out !!!!! ;D the skeags on the original ones were about 5/8" thick,i made these out of 1/2" its hard moving these things on and off trailers and i didnt want the skis digging in real bad. I haven't priced any lately ,there good boots,but i have punched thru them before with frozen hemlock stubs. I guess i better be carefull with these at $200 a pop!! :o :o. I still plan on putting a radiator louver on today,mostly for protection of the core.I have to make make the keepers to hold the skis on the axle ,front tow hitch,radiator cap and rear tow hitch this winter. I might even build the cab but not assembly it on the tractor,not sure on that tho.
This is a totally fascinating project. Something that I had no idea ever existed so I am enjoying watching.
Lynn, Lombard was the man who made the first practical crawler tread, all crawler machines originated from his work !! There never were to many sent down south, The army quartermaster corp. had one for hauling supplies when they were chasing Pancho Villa. Well I got a set of radiator louvers out of the junkyard a while back. I cut them down and fitted them to the radiator today.I wanted them on there to help protect the core from being damaged.I installed it after i put a new battery in Cheryls car, a new fuel filter in one of my pickups,and a new filter on my gas pump. It was 8 degrees this morning and all my stuff informed me they wanted attention !!! >:( ;D Heres a few pictures of the shutter in place..
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Looks factory original. That should help keep that big engine warm. Does the Lombard cab have a heater? If not, I would hide a bus heater under the seat. :D
Dave, The engine will throw plenty of heat back into the cab. The wooden seat sits basically on the deck theres no room under it for anything! In most of the photos i have of the machines running in winter,the operator has the upper door open. ;D
Sounds like my old JD combine :D. The louvers look as good as the skids!
Great thread.
When I was a young buck in 62 and 63 or so I worked some in as Bargemonkey calls it Scary county NY.
There was a semi abandoned Linn beside one of the roads near Blenheim that i was told they used in severe snow conditions.
Those old machines are fascinating and your work is first rate!
Cant wait to see the finished product.
Pete, Theres a pretty nice restored Linn log hauler in the Blue Mt. Lake museum in the Adirondack park.Theres also a bunch in private hands. Gould paper co.used to have a bunch of them. If you get a chance the video "CABIN COUNTRY" taken by Rev.Frank Reed has some pretty nice logging and Linn tractor shots.
Loggah,I have seen the one at the museum.
I pass by there on my way to my camp 10 or 15 times a year and visit the museum about every 5 yrs.
Frank Reed the loggers preacher gave us a talk when I was at The Ranger School in Wanakena in 1958.
I have read his book, I think it is called Adirondack Sky Pilot, several yrs ago but need to re read it.
I think I remember watching the video , but will try to find it again.
Keep up the great restoration work.
If i ever shut my mill down I may try to get to your place.
Today i got the Keepers for the skis built and on the axle,and also made up the front drawbar and bolted that on,tomorrow i plan on making the radiator cap ,its a big oval shaped piece . If its not raining to hard tomorrow i'll try and con my wife into taking a few pictures. ;D
Great job on the rebuild, Loggah!
Today i worked a bit on the rear drawbar until i got soaked in the pouring rain!!! seems its supposed to keep raining for the next couple days and my photographer is on strike! ;D
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my photographer is on strike! ;D
That's what you get when you spend to much time with a Lombard tractor :D :D :D :D
Well when the rains let a bit today Cheryl took a few pictures of the little bit of tinkering i did ,the keepers for the skis,front drawbar and rear drawbar,just little things.
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Nice fab jobs.
Thanks,the only other thing im going to do this winter is the radiator cap. I may build the cab sections and Roof but i wont install them this winter.
I am really enjoying this re-build.
I just found this thread and read the whole thing. Very impressive Loggah.
Are those bronze fittings? Are you casting them?
Dave, There just rusty iron and steel! ;D Theres not much Bronze on this tractor,the other one has a bunch of Bronze on the engine.
Well i made up the funky radiator cap,and stripped the paint off the fuel tank. Im starting to build the cab tomorrow ,i probably wont install it until spring. Heres a picture of the front of the machine as it sets for the winter.
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Looking good Loggah
Thats gonna be one good lookin piece of loggin equipment art. :)
Im thinking about painting it flat black, the early steamers were black and i think it would be the easiest color to cover all the angles .i dont know as i would call it art!! ;D ;D
your really going to let that snow mobile sit all winter?
who needs a cab?
You are true Yankee Loggah!
This work is quite impressive and thank you for the history lessons.
JJ
Are you going to put a dual function grapple on it? :D
;D It would make a good snowmobile retriever with a dual arch grapple!! ;D One year at the ski area i used my other Lombard to haul 8 kegs of beer halfway up the ski slope for the gusto cup !!!!! Those were the days ,Capitol Distributors used to put it on .On the way out of the valley at night there were usually all kinds of new holes in the snowbank !!!!! you cant get away with that stuff now !! Started ripping out and planing out the oak for the mortise and tenon framing of the cab side panels today.
Are there enough pieces from old cabs to be able to recreate the original design?
There are,i saved them when i built my other cab. The first gasoline lombards didnt have a cab ,just a open wagon seat.Im thinking that would get old very quickly! ; i built this cab a few years ago ,using the pieces as a pattern. I almost built 2 at that time but i didn't! >:( ;D ;D
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Mighty fine piece of equipment ya got there Loggah. :)
Quote from: loggah on December 20, 2014, 05:01:55 PM
There are,i saved them when i built my other cab. The first gasoline lombards didnt have a cab ,just a open wagon seat.Im thinking that would get old very quickly! ; i built this cab a few years ago ,using the pieces as a pattern. I almost built 2 at that time but i didn't! >:( ;D ;D
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How about a description of the engine it that beast.
The engine in the restored lombard is a Wisconsin water cooled model PT engine. It is a 6 cylinder "T" head ,with the blocks cast in pairs ,5 3/4" bore x 7" stroke 1090 cubic inch. The crankcase is bronze,the oil pan is aluminum, the intake manifold and water pluming and water pump are bronze,brass . the crankshaft has 4 main bearings the rear one is 5 1/2" long, The engine is rated 100-110 H.P. at 1000 -1100 R.P.M. torque rating 560ft.lbs. at 650 rpm basic weight is 1650 lbs !!!!!! I just happen to have an old spec sheet!!! ;D ;D These engines are extremely rare i searched for years before i found a complete one out in Sparta Wisconsin a gas engine collector had it.. The original ones had been all vandalized and anything bronze or brass stolen off them. Here is a better picture of the engine after i restored the tractor.
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Does that thing sound like three old John Deere tractors in a row when it is running?
;D ;D kinda, but it has a sound of its own with the straight pipes. When the engine is running under load the flames come about 1 1/2' out of the pipes. :laugh:
Does each set of cylinders have two throws on the crank or one ?
As kid we would have up to four of them 2bangers out plowing . The best sound was working close and passing in different directions .
It had to be dusk or darker to see the flames but them gas burners would put a good flame out at a little over a foot also.
Do you have a video of the gas tractor running (with sound) ? I would like to hear that .
I have an old straight eight flathead Pontiac engine I would like to get running .The plan is to set it up with headers for each pair of cylinders that fire 90 deg. apart .
Don, Theres a separate journal for each piston. heres a few seconds of it running, but not to well,it takes a while for the engine to warm up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aI0D7cYYd4
Heres a bit longer running time,back before i rebuilt the cab!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEcNpp7mj6U
That does sound good. Thanks.
Back in the day when the Lombards were being used hauling wood from Waterville to Campton,my grandfather said they could hear them coming for miles. In the winter in the late 1920's there wasn't many internal combustion machines running. :laugh:Well i got my cab pretty well done,i'll see if i can get my wife to take a picture or two in a day or so.
Loggah that thing sounds great, I'd love to hear it in person.
Maybe you can bring it down sometime and we can haul some logs "old school". ;D
Might take a while to get there at the blistering pace of 6 M.P.H.!!! say nothing about the 1000 gallons of gas it would take !!!! ;D ;D
Well Loggah if you got the gas I got the time. :D
Just discovered this thread. WOW is all I can say. I will stay tuned for sure.
My brother Ray and i have been building a new cab up in Rays garage, nice heated shop. We kind of turned it into a wood shop for a while. Heres some pictures of our progress,Ray is a pretty successful dirt track and ice racer you might see some of his trophies in the pictures. We still have to hang the doors,put in the windows, and put the linseed oil to it. The green pieces were the original cab,and our patterns.
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Now that looks nice.
Nice looking cab . did I detect a mid 30s chevy in the background? and it looks like someone won a feature race or two .
1934 chevy pickup,and quite a few feature races!
The cab looks great, please pardon my stupidity but is the roof tin? I wish they raced those super mods around here, I've read a lot about them just never got to see them run.
The roof is tin! its off the original cab along with a couple roof bows.had to have a few original parts on the cab.
Very interesting read!
Very nice,looks like doug fir,beautiful wood.Looks like Ray's rigs go faster than yours do.Bet there was a day that wasn't true!
Keep up the great work,
Mick
western fir wainscoating, and white oak framing! I had the oak cut and stuck about 6 years ago ,we just planed it and sized it as we needed it.i have pretty much got the wood working all done, need to finish sanding and put the linseed oil to it, install the glass and doors and door latches. then i'll stack it away untill spring to assemble. Cheryl took some more pictures today maybe she will post them tonight or tomorrow morning.Once upon a time i had a few fast machines, motorcycles and cars!!! super sport chevelles 396 and 427's!!!! glad i made it thru my younger years !!!! ;D ;D
Well heres the pictures of the cab parts ,tool boxes and new seats.The seats and toolboxes are copied from original ones,that were pretty beat up and somewhat rotten. I have to finish sanding and put the boiled linseed oil to them ,glass,and doors and latches ,and then they will be ready to install next spring,summer.
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Loggah, This is an amazing restoration. Nice work!! I look forward to seeing it complete.
I'LL SAND IT IF I'M THE FIRST TO DRIVE IT LOL smiley_whacko smiley_whacko
Welcome to the forum DEERE2720, but get in line :D
THANKS, FOR WELCOMING ME, I MIGHT HAVE A LITTLE PULL? : I'M ANOTHER LITTLE BROTHER TO LOGGAH :D :D
Well I guess I'd better get in line then :D
Great job!
Wow you are certainly a Jack of all trades. The machines and the wood. Great job and thread! Thank you.
Welcome to the Forestry Forum, DEERE2720.
Welcome DEERE2720, I bet he lets you sand and then he will take the 1st drive anyways, you are the little brother... :D
I might let him be the first rider!!!! gonna be a bit getting the bugs out of it im sure !!! ;D spent part of the day putting linseed oil on one side of the cab. got to flip it tomorrow do the other side,then flop it again for a second coat on the outside.
Hay how many loggah brothers are there,must be nice to have them around when ya need a hand.
DEERE2720,welcome to the forum.
3 brothers and 2 sisters ! my sisters got displaced some time ago !!!! they both live in Maine . ;D ;D
Quote from: loggah on January 05, 2015, 07:52:30 PM
3 brothers and 2 sisters ! my sisters got displaced some time ago !!!! they both live in Maine . ;D ;D
Lombard Country....
;D Ya, i got them scouring the state for parts !!! ;D ;D
I get this nice image of steam Lombard in my UM allum mailer:
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Though nicely restored machine, I think they are posing, as there is no smoke or steam in image.
JJ
Is that the loggah brother's?? :D
Quote from: JJ on January 07, 2015, 08:33:27 PM
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Though nicely restored machine, I think they are posing, as there is no smoke or steam in image.
JJ
The old steamers can be run off compressed air. They might be towing a big engine-driven compressor that we can't see in the picture. I think that is one of the two machines at Leonard's Mills.
I know when they first got the steamer together they did use a compressor towed behind it to try it out.Those guys did a real nice restoration,to bad Bill Lynch who started the restoration ,didn't live to see it finished !!!! the other machine there belongs to the Harry Crooker family. They were lucky to have a steamer there to go by,when we rebuilt Clarks machine all we had was a carcass , and parts of 5 different machines ,along with a parts book. ;D
I'm really enjoying this thread, Loggah!
Here is a video from Leonards Mills. Shows the refurbished Lombard running on air then steam.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=druj7pqbJxw
nice video!! looks like they were having a bit of a time getting the Stanley Steamer to fire off.I got a glance of a little sign on the back of the steamer ,looks like they dedicated it to Bill Lynch. The little model W cletrac made a few people happy.
Enjoyed the video. Nice old machine.
Pretty Much got the cab all done,Just have to make the door latches. My brother Ray and i went and got an old solid tire trailer axle i have had for years out of the woods. I'm going to make it over so i can put it on in the summer to move the machine around. I have to make a drop axle out of it so it fits correctly. 35 years ago i loaded it into my pickup by myself,yesterday we pulled the wheels off the axle and loaded it in pieces!!!!! who knew it would put on weight over the years !!! ;D ;D maybe i can con my wife to take a couple pictures today. :)
Quote from: loggah on January 12, 2015, 07:18:54 AM
Pretty Much got the cab all done,Just have to make the door latches. My brother Ray and i went and got an old solid tire trailer axle i have had for years out of the woods. I'm going to make it over so i can put it on in the summer to move the machine around. I have to make a drop axle out of it so it fits correctly. 35 years ago i loaded it into my pickup by myself,yesterday we pulled the wheels off the axle and loaded it in pieces!!!!! who knew it would put on weight over the years !!! ;D ;D maybe i can con my wife to take a couple pictures today. :)
Are you saying we all get old and fat. :D :D :D :D
Well not sure on the fat,but the "OLD" is a given!!!! ;D seems everything is heavier now !!
One of the few things that get smaller is clothes. My old Navy uniforms shrunk really bad just sitting in boxes. :D
;D ;D i did notice clothing hung in closets get small also ! well my wife was to busy photographing snowflakes today!! over 650 photos, my log hauler axle pictures were off the radar !!!
Well heres a couple pictures of the old wheels and axle. I will have to cut it and make a drop axle out of it to keep the tractor at the right height.
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(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/29767/IMG_4460sm.jpg) The 15 ton coffing hoist and 12 ton snatchblock were recently got out of the scrapyard!!
loggah
Never a dull moment around your place. Anxious to see the trailer build.
Thanks to your wife for getting the pics for us too. ;)
It's really sad some of the things that go in the junk. :-\
I see you have a little arbor press, aren't they the handiest little things to have around? A friend of mine got a bigger one, and gave me his old little one. Much better tactile feedback than hydraulic.
That coffing hoist was just like new, i knew it was expensive when i saw it,when i got home i looked it up on google!!!! $5,135 new,its like new !!! the snatch block is about $500.00, i asked my buddy who owns the yard if he wanted them and he said no. i bought them for $50.00 and he made money at that,its crazy!! oh ya the #3 arbor press was from the junkyard also $10.00 . I just cant stay away from that place.!!!!!!!!
The scrapyard I go to they usually save all the good treasures because they might need them someday. Surprisingly I was able to buy my wood boiler from them. The father was going to use it as a garden shed. ::)
And the guy that sold it for scrap has no idea what he had and too stupid to find out :D
It was in a pile of stuff dumped out by some ski area! i figured they both required physical labor and they were told to scrap them! just crazy!!
gee, guess i start hanging out at the junk yard more and more. or maybe i'll inhairet in when the time comes? i'm depressed :D :D love ya... deere2720 , would make a good bday present for someone on the 17th hint hint
Tom, Stop trying to butter me up !!!! ;D I was at the junkyard yesterday and someone had dumped 120 -12' lengths of 3/8" steel square stock ,no rust clean, stock,cleaning out a machine shop was what they said. Well it came home with me, now i just have to start figuring out what to do with it ?? ;D ;D
Bring it up to Chesterville,ME. I have plenty of room. ;D
;D I know where to store it, just dont know what i'll build with it !!
Would make a spiffy headache rack for the Lombard? :) 8)
mike
i think i probably wont build one of those! :D my wife will probably think of some artistic use for it!!! ;D
Back to the Diesel lombard!!!! we built the cab back in the winter,and i finally got the deck and the cab on in the last few weeks. I still have to make all the controls,put in the gauges, and do the wiring before i can get it running. I believe i will have it running efore August,hopefully. Heres some new pictures of the progress.
looking down in the cab ,without a roof.
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basically the chassis is done,just got to tie up the loose ends. Don
That's a show piece, for sure. 8)
Nice work.
Who knew you had to be a cabinet maker to restore old logging equipment? :D That UD-18 will be a great engine for that rig.
Well you have made me a believer. That is S W E E T! :)
The woodwork looks like the wheelhouse in a luxury cabin cruiser. :)
I think you guys are giving me a bit "TOO" much credit !!!! im still toying with the idea of painting the iron flat black to make a "RAT" lombard!! ;D ;D
That looks mighty nice. And than some!!!
U B riding in style.
Don't forget a cool hat when you ride around in that!
JJ
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Absolutely love it!
Maybe just clear coat it and leave that natural patina!
It has two coats of boiled linseed oil on it now, i may only paint the metal parts. I got everything done except the wiring today, i should have it running next week. ;D ;D
Looks like an uptown job !!
You do nice work !
Jim/Bruno
Took me an hour and a half to read through this entire thread! VERY INTERESTING! I admire your craftsmanship and your devotion to preserving history--facts and machinery! smiley_clapping
I did get it running today !!!! hooray!!!! ;D got a few bugs yet may get them ironed out tomorrow ! ;D
Good. Maybe a video when the time is right?? Maybe?
we will see, i have no way of taking one,i think my wifes newest camera can tho. ;D
Pretty hard to make it move well with skis on gravel,so i started building my hard rubber tire front axle. heres a picture after i slapped some flat black rustoleum on it.
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How many cans of paint did you go through? :)
Very nice, Loggah, as you know the Lombard machine and I have quite a bond, seeing how we were born in the same city. The Lombard will always be my guardian angel tractor, or sign tractor. Considering there are so many others I could have chosen, it'll always be special to me. My ancestors roamed the New England woods since the days of the Pilgrims and even before.
I love seeing your project unfold. I hope I make it back to New England eventually--if I do, I'd like to arrange to stop in and see you and your collection.
:) (wish we had a Lombard Log Hauler smiley)
well 8 cans and im far from done!!! ;D its just a change the rust brown,to black color for now maybe next year i will do the real "GREEN" paint job. Jim you need a lombard avatar!! ;D
Quote from: loggah on July 16, 2015, 06:40:01 AM
Jim you need a lombard avatar!! ;D
Hmm, do you have one to suggest?
Oh, look, it's my 6000th post!
Congrats Okra, but your next one will mess it up. ;D
Yup now he has to shoot for 10,000 !!!! ;D i been working on my front axle a bit today should have it finished tomorrow !!!"MAYBE" !!! ;D
Quote from: Magicman on July 17, 2015, 09:08:32 AM
Congrats Okra, but your next one will mess it up. ;D
Oh, snap, you're right! :-X
I got my front steering axle welded up.it lets me move the machine around on dry ground,and i only have to pull one pin to put the skis back on it.It steers pretty mean but it will only get used a few times then the skis go back on. heres a few pictures.
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Awesome !!!
That's cool, and you are quick on the build!!
I am down to the headlights and brackets left to do ,changed out all the zerk fittings and greased the old girl today!!! ;D first grease job in 80 years!!!! ;D
That's a loggers hot rod !!!
Jim/Bruno
Lombard"RAT ROD" !!! ;D ;D
Quote from: Bruno of NH on July 19, 2015, 05:35:58 PM
That's a loggers hot rod !!!
Jim/Bruno
You hit the nail on the head. (old saying)
Loggah, when you're finished, you can cruise the streets. Put a BIG stereo system in that thang, turn your hat sideways and pull your pants halfway down. You'll have women coming outta tha woodwork. :D :D :D :D
I can only think of two things wrong with your thinking !!!!! State Police and my "WIFE" !!!!! ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: loggah on July 19, 2015, 06:32:38 PM
I can only think of two things wrong with your thinking !!!!! State Police and my "WIFE" !!!!! ;D ;D ;D
:D
Thank you for sharing! It looks great. I have enjoyed each and every post.
I'd like to see a video of it running if its possible...when you're finished.
Keep history alive. One lombard at a time. ;D That looks good.
Love it! Does the axle steer harder than the skis would (and why) if it's moving?
The hard rubber tires let you know where any rock or irregular ground is and transmits it back to the steering wheel. ;D The skis having more flat surface on the ground on both sides cancel that type of action.The wheels are to basically just to be able to load it on and off lowbeds and move it around a bit on dry ground,when winter rolls around i plan on putting the skis back on.
Of course I'm sure you could put rubber tires on it. . . .
Logga, you may have mentioned this before, but what is the weight split between tracks and front axle? They always did look nose-heavy.
Not sure on the weight split,from the front idler sprocket to the rear is 7 tons, this one is now about 1400 lbs heavier on the front with the diesel engine.The engine alone weighs about 3000 lbs.
This diesel is 1400 lbs. heavier than the gasoline engine it replaced, you're saying?
Quote from: loggah on July 19, 2015, 06:32:38 PM
I can only think of two things wrong with your thinking !!!!! State Police and my "WIFE" !!!!! ;D ;D ;D
Loggah, what a dandy build, I really appreciate the old Iron thanks for sharing.
I would like to suggest you have parties to be concerned about incorrectly ordered :)
Best
DGDrls
Jim,the Diesel engine is 1400 lbs heavier then the gas engine, and yes my Wife should have been first,State police second !!! ;D ;D
Looking Good Logger 8) 8) 8)
Thanks,Peter. All i can say is its complete,not restored,someone from the younger generation can do that. ;D
looks good with the axle. got to put flames on the engine panels to make it a real rat rod.. lol :D :D i'll finish the restoration
Paint it green, get the bobsled on the front-- take pictures when the snow comes. :)
Then you'll have all next year to build ten sleds for it to pull. . . . .
I showed you this, right?
A couple years back, I made this virtual lego model. Virtual legos are so much better, because you never run out of bricks of the right shape and color!
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Jim,Yup ,thats the full width cab version !!!! ;D ;D Nice avitar !!!! ;D I intend to build a couple sets of sleds ,but i really need to build a giant pole barn next,got to get this stuff under cover.
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,but i really need to build a giant pole barn next,got to get this stuff under cover.
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Very nice build. I watched "Adirondack Sky Pilot" a few times, a couple of years ago. Your Lombard sure look a lot like the tractor pulling that long train of sleds full of logs in that video. Sure looks like you can build anything you put your mind to.
Excellent job!!
Maple Flats, That was a Linn tractor built in Morris New York,Linn worked for Lombard and moved to Morris in the early teens and started building his own tractors. Theres a bunch of Linns left in N.Y.,no.1 is still in Morris on display ,and theres a restored linn Log hauler at The Blue Mtn.Lake museum in the Adirondack park. I lo have a Linn dump truck that needs restoration in the back yard.
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Remind me what the yellow one is behind it, Cletrac F series? Do you have a picture of it handy? ;D
Jim,Its a 1952 Cletrac model FDE one of the 2 that Great Northern Paper co.owned,the last tractors to pull lombard sleds,it has a Cat 17A D 7 nose on it ,the guy i bought it off up in Monson Maine ,Clarance Turner used it as a dozer for a while. Heres a couple pictures.
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That is cool :) :)
It can pull a lot of wood !
Jim/Bruno
Very nice. Does it have the original engine, or did the engine come from the D7 also? Too bad the front end messed up the looks a little. But if that's how they used it, it's a piece of history.
Its got the original 160H.P. Hercules diesel in it ! ;D You got to remember back when this was built a cat D8 only had 120 H.P. !!!!! ;D ;D with that horse power and differential steering,power to both tracks all the time in the Cletrac, comparatively the cat was a pretty "sick" puppy as far as getting power to the ground. ;D ;D
Yep, Cat usually had the lowest hp:weight ratio of the four major manufacturers at any given time. Some would say that is why they rarely busted their drivetrains, unlike Intersmashional. . . . .
A few days ago i finished up the work on the tractor,got the headlights on,loaded the skis on the rear and parked it beside the other Lombard.I may paint it green next summer,not sure,but its pretty much ready for snow. :D Heres a few pictures of the finished tractor. I have been working at the sawmill changing my sawdust blower drive setup,getting ready to saw lumber for my equipment shed. don
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How big a shed?
From all the pics of machines I have seen a couple acres under roof should do it for the important stuff.😀
Peter, 24' x 84', enough for 7 bays 12' wide,that will take care of some of the old junk i got hanging around ! ;D
That is one neat machine, I really enjoyed this thread.
My guess loggah, within a day you'll find it's much too small ;) :)
It wont be big enough as soon as its built!! the problem is most of the back land floods when the river has ice jams,i only got so much high ground! :(
I have plenty of high ground. ;D
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I have plenty of high ground. ;D
I can see that cfarm is hoping you will build a shed and store your
junk neat stuff on his property!
I see that !!! ;D I do have high ground on another piece of land i own about 5 miles from the house, but i kind of like making sure that parts of these machines dont get legs !!! I would be seeing pieces come into the junkyard by the local meth heads !! >:( >:( I spent years locating parts and getting this Lombard stuff out of the Maine woods,would seam a bit strange to haul them back to Maine for storage !!!!! :D :D :D
Yeah, I see your point. Can't blame thecfarm for an honest try!
Went up to the Cole transportation museum in Bangor, Maine last week and they have some Lombard and Linn stuff, as I'm sure Loggah knows!
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I remember when Manley Haley had that Linn in Sangerville in the barn! It was in really nice original condition. There was a Linn for sale In Uncle Henrys magazine a few weeks ago,i think it was the one Arthur Bailey owned in Parkman Me. ;D Most were sold by Ford and Smiley in Skowhegan who were Linn and Buick dealers. I see they also have a steam lombard track assembly at Coles museum, I know they also have a big Cletrac"80" snowplow unit there also.I have never been there personally but have talked with the curator a few times.
The top of the steam track is visible in the side shot of the linn. There is a blurb about the guys hauling it out of the woods. They have a few Cletracks and the plow is right next to the Linn.
I went to the Coles museum over 20 years ago. It is great place, definitely worth the visit if anyone's in the Bangor area. They have the Linn and Lombard with snowplow, Cletrac 80 with snowplow, and IH TD-40 with snowplow, if I recall correctly. They also have a Cletrac EN, John Deere GP, and a number of trucks, as well as a train locomotive (can't remember what kind) and various miscellaneous cars, farm equipment, a nice collection of fire trucks, and so on.
Also worth visiting if you're in Maine in the summertime is the Owl's Head transportation museum in Owl's Head, down on the coast. Loggah probably knows if they still have their steam Lombard there. Unlike Coles, Owl's Head has a number of airplanes there. They also have cars and trucks and various such things. They hold a number of meets and special gatherings each year, especially on summer weekends, often with warbird flyins, etc. I went to a few of those. Sometimes they will have random special attractions, like "antique truck day" or "Corvette day" or whatever, where people will bring their vehicles from afar. Check their website for special events.
The steam lombard that belonged to the "Harry Crooker" family used to be at Owls head,it is at the new forestry museum in Bradley Me now,where another steamer was just completely rebuilt .
Ah ok. Good to know. I do need to get up to that museum in Bradley one day.
the cletrack at coles i remember seeing plowing the road here once must have been in the mid 60's. it may or may not be the same one it was parked on appleton ridge for years .there was also 1 or the same 1 at the blue goose in northport for years
I get the Uncle Henry mag every week, One time I missed a 1968 corvette by 5min for $2,000
Uncle Henrys has cost me a bunch of money over the years ! ;D Im pretty sure the Coles cletrac was the one parked by the Blue goose, a friend of mine also owns a Cletrac 80 snowlow, the machine is in Franklin but the plows are still in Mass. :( :(
It was indeed the Blue Goose plow for a few years
Last weekend i had the Diesel lombard out at a antique snowgroomer meet,heres a link to the short movie my wife took ,running along in 2nd gear.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULkhxqP6xRU
Very cool machine 8) Thanks for the video.
You should have come down,everyone had a good time. :D the 3" snowstorm pulled it off !!!!
I had planned to come over but the weather was too nasty.
Glad to see you had a good turn out !
Hoping to bring my J5 with a winch next year.
That is awesome! Would that machine been able to take that much motor in actual use fully loaded?
Great build Loggah...
I always felt Lombard got the raw end of the deal when Benjamin Holt stole his idea and got the better part of the claim for a tracked machine. Lombard I know felt the same way all his life and jumped into the fray during the Holt/Best split, but still, he got short changed in my opinion.
Like others, the whole thread was interesting to me, and not just from the build itself. My wife is from the North Country of NH, and like your sisters, got dragged to Maine on account of love. Well partly; she made me get married there, North Haverhill to be exact, and being a Saturday wedding her cousin showed up ready to go to the track. In every wedding picture there is his race car sitting on the trailer ready to go. I wonder if he raced with your Brother; his preferred track was just over the line in Vermont?
Her Grandfather is a direct relative of the Stanley Steamer brothers too, so as I said; a very interesting read. Myself, a lover of old crawlers; I think I would trade my wife and the first born for an CleTrack!
One question though, and no disrespect implied at all; but some say the Centipede was the better of the two designs (in regards to steam), but do you find that to be true?
That looks and sound great !
Jim
Joan, That would be great if you and the J5 make it next year ! ;D The Phoenix centipede"STEAM HAULER" was Lombards first style machine which he made up untill 1908,Then he changed to the 2 cylinder horizontal ,saddletank machine with differential and chain drive.He licensed Phoenix Manufacturing Co of Eau Claire Wisconsin to manufacture his old style machine with them paying Lombard a $1000 royalty on each machine. They worked well but the differential action wasn't very efficient ,relying on the steam engines to compensate during a turn. The other problem with the vertical 4 cylinder style was at times the engines would become synchronized together resulting with the front of the steam hauler to jump up and down !!!! ;D ;D Dave, The Lombard gas machines actually had a bit more torque then the ud 18A engine i put in,The 1 diesel log hauler that lombard made with the big Fairbanks-morse 36A 5 1/2 Diesel probably had another 300 or more ft.lbs. of torque close to what a td 24 engine od early D8 cat had.
Wow.... Just read the whole thing... Very nice tractor.
About 20 years ago my neighborer scraped a Wisconsin p2 engine.
He tried to sell it to me knowing that I collected Hit and Miss and steam engines.
But the thing was just way to big and heavy for my collection.
It looked ruff but I think it was all there. We both had no idea what it came out of.
I told him that it was probability worth a gold mine to the right person.
But I think he scraped it. I don't even thing I had anything that would have moved it.
Slightly off topic but after reading through and thoroughly enjoying the whole threads about Loggah's Lombards, I'm hoping either he or some other fount of historical northern New England logging knowledge might see this and be able to help with a question that I so far have not been able to determine a conclusive answer for. I'm posting my query here in hopes of this post being seen by those who would be most likely to have knowledge on this topic and not disappear in the wider spectrum of the entire forum. If it turns out there is significant discussion or anyone objects to this being posted under this thread, I can gladly move it to a new separate thread.
I would like to build some accurate scale models of some of the 1940s-1950s era logging trucks and equipment of the Brown Company (Beyond Brown Paper online collection at Plymouth.edu is a spectacular resource if anyone hasn't seen it yet- including photos of some of the equipment (but not lombards) of Mr. West from Errol, NH who Loggah mentions in relation to Lombard operations ).
The challenge I have is that because nearly every photo from that era is black and white, paint and lettering colors are not clear. I -believe- the woods trucks of Brown Company were painted dark green, with either white or light yellow lettering, and at least some also had a somewhat darker outline or "shadow" on the lettering.
So with that said, I was just wondering if perhaps Loggah or anyone else here might be able to assist in my quest to find the historically accurate paint and lettering scheme for the Brown Company trucks, either by verifying or refuting my belief above about the colors used, or if it anyone knows if any color images showing Brown Co. trucks? So far I have asked several individuals, some of the local historical societies, the librarian of the Brown Collection at PLymouth, etc. and always come up empty handed other than a few sources who have agreed with dark green as the base color. Can anyone say definitively that that is correct, or what the lettering color was?
Thanks for any information, images, or leads anyone might be able to provide or suggest!
Welcome to the forum Newoods! I hope you start a thread on your project.
Loggah I too just finished reading this whole thread. Amazing work!
Really nice to see it run! Thank the wife for the video. Great build and thread!
I hope you don't mind, I've been using your picture of the Hauler as my Facebook background picture for quite a while! I finally switched it out recently.
You know i dont mind ,you being a native "MAINER" and all. I just hope we can turn up more of Ray Vigues manuscript !!!! :D :D
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You know i dont mind ,you being a native "MAINER" and all. I just hope we can turn up more of Ray Vigues manuscript !!!! :D :D
I know.
Friday I found three old sheaves of truck technical data he gave me, but I don't think it was anything he wrote himself. It was called "Truck Talk" and was a lot of mimeographed technical data--seems like things like frame stress calculations, etc. I don't have it in front of me at the moment.
Ah, Joey Barnes Linn Logger,and a Linn c-5 Cattruck !!!! Not sure of the Cattruck owner ,but i know Rene Elliott used to have one for sale !!!!
Harry.H.Linn used to have a traveling dog show and traveled around New England in the early 1900's He lived in Maine and had heard about lombards steam haulers and he was looking for a better method to pull his trailers around the state on Maines dirt roads in all types of weather. Lombard built 2 vehicles for Linn,one a traveling house trailer, dual wheels in the front and tracks in the rear ,and a single track machine with two wheels in front and a single wide track in the rear. That machine also had a portable generator built in to power the lighting for Linns show. Linn was very happy with the machines as they worked well,so he became lombards first traveling salesman.
Linn worked for lombard for quite a few years, and later he decided to move to Morris New York and manufacture his own machines,he started making them in his factory in 1916 in Morris. The Linn machines had a few modifications that actually made them a better machine for contractor purposes. they had a 4 speed transmission with reverser so they had 4 gears in reverse,they had final drives off the differential so they had more ground clearance,also dual sprockets to drive the tracks better. Lombard actually took Linn to court over patent infringment !!!!! because linn was claiming he invented the crawler tread, that soon got dropped when Linn took back his claim. Linn actually made around 2500 trucks and tractors total ,compared to lombards couple hundred . I could go into a lot more detail but my 1 typing finger is getting a cramp !!!!! ;D Heres a picture of my Linn truck ,i will be getting a cab rebuilt this coming summer ,i think !!
I recalled this thread when I found these photos. The top photo is a Linn tractor on a hydro site along the Beaver River in NY. The lower photo i'm guessing is the same area, Croghan/Lowville area
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I think i have a Linn brochure with a picture of the Linn moving that huge transformer, they had to pile a lot of ballast on the Linn to get enough traction. Don
Loggah,
You have to find that and post it!!
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I will take a look tomorrow,it somewhere in my Linn archives. Don
Heres a couple pitcures of the linn brochure, the transformer is not the same one ,because the linn is hauling transformers for weight for traction.
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Loggah,
Thank you for posting that,
I did a quick Google search and found this which I believe is the source
of that photo,
UG&E developed Hydro Power in the Mohawk Valley region of NY.
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Yup, you done good !! ;D The Linns were pretty awesome machines, They would get it done. Don
Do you have pictures with a snow plow on one ?
I saw one of those sitting roadside in the Catskills a few years ago. I bet they did well in off road work. Did they mount ski's on the front for deep snow?
Yup ,they could use both wheels ,or a front ski steering sled. There is a Linn log hauler with skis restored at Blue mtn.lake museum in the Adirondacs. Don
The link below splits this thread, I started a new one for Linn Tractors in an effort
not to hi-jack Loggah's efforts here with his Lombard.
https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php/topic,99385.0.html
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loggah,being a newbie,I hadn't seen your thread.That is an amazing machine:I have seen pictures and museum displays of linn and lombards,but never one actually moving. My grandfather worked on a survey crew in the Whites in the 30's ,and had told me stories of the amount of wood they could pull.
How does a lombard steer? Is it only with the skis,or is there some sort of differertial in the rear;if so ,are there clutches like a dozer?
thanks for a great story.
There is a big worm drive differential with spider gears,it only steers with the front skis or wheels. That is why it is called an "AUTO-TYPE" tractor, basically anyone who could drive a truck could drive a lombard. Don
Loggah, do you have a water powdered sawmill and a yoke of oxen ? Just kidding, happy new year, keep up the good work.
I have a big set of bevel gears from a water powered gristmill ! ;D ;D no oxen,to high maintainencw. Happy new year !!! Don
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qUXQVudr4o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoVWBouchHA
Those guys at the Bradley Museum worked pretty hard to get the steamer going,including a whole new boiler assembly made in Canada. I see Terry Harper and Paul Bretton playing engineer and Herb Crosby filming and narrating . They can all be proud of their work.
I got to see the Lombard up close and personal and finally meet 'loggah'. Sorry no pic of us but I'm excited to have seen the Lombard move !
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Fascinating machine.
Joan, Glad you made it down to see the old iron,or old aluminum! My brother Ray came over to me and said"She knows a lot more about these bombardiers then i do "!! I said "YUP" ;D Some year we will have frozen snow . Don
Thanks, Don ! Great to meet you and Ray and the other nice folks there.
And it was fun talking with a couple that want to buy a snowcat and were looking at the different brands.