A day cutting wood

[SlowJoeCrow]

The only difference is dye and taxes.

[redprospector]

I often wonder about things like "off road diesel".
Red diesel is about $0.13 to $0.20 a gallon less than "on road diesel" here.
Our road use tax is $0.54 ??? I think.
If I'm not using red fuel on the road, how come it's not $0.54 cheaper?
I guess I should quit thinking, and just accept what little discount they're willing to let me have. :D

[Grizzly]

Da goberment don't pay us to think. Stop it.

[Peter Drouin]

Oil man coming Wednesday,  8)
Called Ross [Wood Mizer of Maine] Getting a price on a board return for the edger.
It will be nice to send a flinch in the edger, hit a switch, lumber and waste flips on a conveyor then all comes back to me. Don't even have to move my feet.

[Dave Shepard]

I often wonder about things like "off road diesel".
Red diesel is about $0.13 to $0.20 a gallon less than "on road diesel" here.
Our road use tax is $0.54 ??? I think.
If I'm not using red fuel on the road, how come it's not $0.54 cheaper?
I guess I should quit thinking, and just accept what little discount they're willing to let me have. :D

Because somebody has  buy tt loads of fuel, store it somewhere, then load it in a truck and deliver it to you a few hundred gallons at a time.   ;)

[78NHTFY]

Peter--it's probably OK now, but just make sure you get the "winter blend" red stuff --you don't want that nice cat of yours "gellin up" on ya!  I don't buy the stuff in the winter: off-road diesel at the pump is used much more slowly, so that the winter blend fill up doesn't happen 'till well into the winter (at least at the local areas around here) and even then the pump tank may not be empty and so the winter blend is diluted.  All the best, Rob. 

[NorcalMatt]

What a great thread!  I appreciate all you taking time to update us.  I've been reading for a couple weeks to get caught up.  I feel like I've learned some things, time will tell.  I don't post often, but I do enjoy keeping up with what you all are doing.

[Dave Shepard]

And don't let anyone slip you any biodiesel! The Canaan, NY, highway dept. got a load of it this winter and it gelled everything. EVERYTHING. Over $1,000 in filters to get running again. I guess when you make fuel out of pig fat, it turns back to pig fat when it gets cold.

[Peter Drouin]

The winter blend is just more kerosene in it.
I think spring will be here by ½ way into March, Then the road bands will be up.
I hope not, but, The old farmer's almanac from Dubland NH said so.  :D :D :D
They're 80% on the money.


 

[paul case]

I often wonder about things like "off road diesel".
Red diesel is about $0.13 to $0.20 a gallon less than "on road diesel" here.
Our road use tax is $0.54 ??? I think.
If I'm not using red fuel on the road, how come it's not $0.54 cheaper?
I guess I should quit thinking, and just accept what little discount they're willing to let me have. :D

Because somebody has  buy tt loads of fuel, store it somewhere, then load it in a truck and deliver it to you a few hundred gallons at a time.   ;)

Don't they do the same thing with on road fuel. I can not see the markup being different.
Off road diesel is 33 cents cheaper around here.

PC

[Southside]

It may be that there is a specific excise fee on off road there, government hates to loose a tax so they come up with new ways to call a duck a pig.

[Peter Drouin]

It's the Tax thing Mr Case. All of it is mixed for winter, Some have red in it for the off road thing.

[Dave Shepard]

I often wonder about things like "off road diesel".
Red diesel is about $0.13 to $0.20 a gallon less than "on road diesel" here.
Our road use tax is $0.54 ??? I think.
If I'm not using red fuel on the road, how come it's not $0.54 cheaper?
I guess I should quit thinking, and just accept what little discount they're willing to let me have. :D

Are you talking about fuel delivered to you, or are you buying offroad at the pump somewhere? I don't know of  any off-road being available at the pump around here, except maybe right at the distributor.

[Kbeitz]

We have off-road fuel at our stations.

[redprospector]

I often wonder about things like "off road diesel".
Red diesel is about $0.13 to $0.20 a gallon less than "on road diesel" here.
Our road use tax is $0.54 ??? I think.
If I'm not using red fuel on the road, how come it's not $0.54 cheaper?
I guess I should quit thinking, and just accept what little discount they're willing to let me have. :D

Are you talking about fuel delivered to you, or are you buying offroad at the pump somewhere? I don't know of  any off-road being available at the pump around here, except maybe right at the distributor.

Yep, buying it at the pump. They'll deliver, but it's an extra $15 to bring less than 500 gallons. My tank is only 300.
I know that we are all only a sorce of revenue for the government. So like I said, I need to just accept what little discount they let me have.

[paul case]

2 of our local farmers cooperatives and 1 casino gas station here have it at the pump. Same as with regular deisel and gasoline, prices may vary.
My dad and I have a 300 gallon tank on a trailer just for getting our farm fuel home. 2 fills a year usually does us.

PC

[starmac]

Hope the big bad dot boys don't notice your 300 gallon tank, da fines get bad.

[Southside]

Was thinking the same thing. Even empty you need a hazmat CDL for a tank that size.  Makes no sense.

[bozzaa69]

Cat man, I have air getting in the fuel line, Think it's coming from the new fuel pump that was put in.

 

That Cat man coming all the time is a scary thing for profits aren't it?
                                                                                                                                                                 

[starmac]

Was thinking the same thing. Even empty you need a hazmat CDL for a tank that size.  Makes no sense.

That is the easy part, you also need hazmat authority and insurance to haul hazmat, for any tank over 119 gallons.

[paul case]

I caint hear a word you all are saying.

PC

[Peter Drouin]

That Cat man coming all the time is a scary thing for profits aren't it?

It's all how you look at it. He dose good work, I could have Mickey Mouse do it.
Sometimes you have to spend $$$.
I don't give $$$ away, But, I'm not cheap, I have time to do the job one time, not over and over. 
He only gets $140.00 an hr.                                                                                                                                   

[paul case]

He only gets $140.00 an hr.                                                                                                                                 

I only get $75, but I do not work on someone elses stuff. I only saw their logs.

PC

[YellowHammer]

We bought our diesel tank and pump from the COOP, and to get some fuel delivered just grab the IPhone, hit dial, and the fuel tanker magically shows up.  The lower cost of off road or farm diesel is because no road taxes are levied which is why you never, never want to get caught on the road with it, say in your truck.  Might as well sell the truck to pay the fines.  Around here, the troopers will set up stings at the farm shows and cattle auctions and test everybody's tank and see what color it come up.  If somebody has been filling their pickumup truck at their farm tractor fuel tank, they will have their evening ruined.  It never happened to me, but a buddy hauling logs got stopped on the side of the road and had his fuel tested.  It didn't end well.   

I believe the off road is a kinder blend for tractors and other heavy diesels, but it results in higher pollution, so can't be used for on road use. 

We started buying our propane fork lift bottles by the delivery truck, also.  It's cheaper than retail, and again, all I have to do is dial the iPhone and magic, another truck shows up. 

Good for you Peter, I hope the board return works out. 

[Dave Shepard]

Oil man coming Wednesday,  8)
Called Ross [Wood Mizer of Maine] Getting a price on a board return for the edger.
It will be nice to send a flinch in the edger, hit a switch, lumber and waste flips on a conveyor then all comes back to me. Don't even have to move my feet.

Is this on WMs website? I'd like to see how it works.