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Title: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: HolmenTree on November 04, 2018, 08:06:50 AM
It's official first shipment came in last Thursday Nov. 1.
MS462 CM and CMR (wrap).
Arctic models will be in next month.

Photos here thanks to friend Gary who just picked his up at his dealer in Winnipeg, Manitoba on Friday.

New air filter which is washable looks impressive.
No non CM models coming. Those have to be ordered out of Europe but you'll have no dealer support or warranty.

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Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: outinthewood on November 04, 2018, 08:17:10 AM
Be interesting to see how the airfilter set up lasts, a pal in the USA who has been running one for some time has noted that after only around a few weeks the way you "lock" the filter on is already not as positive ? A bit of a concern if cutting hardwoods with the finer dust ? Anyway not the end of the world as it looks like a fine saw and trust you will keep us updated how the new owner gets on with it ? 
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: HolmenTree on November 04, 2018, 08:23:59 AM
outinthewood, I think you're referring to the older black coloured HD2 filter the fella in the U.S. is using.
The filter pictured above is brand new. The pleats are white not black, according to Gary his dealer can't even find it's part number on the system yet. 
That's how new it is.
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: realzed on November 04, 2018, 08:40:33 AM
Wonder if it will fit a newer 261 and interchange with the present type? Would be great if it did..

 
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: HolmenTree on November 04, 2018, 08:52:06 AM
Quote from: realzed on November 04, 2018, 08:40:33 AM
Wonder if it will fit a newer 261 and interchange with the present type? Would be great if it did..


The new filter was measured and is bigger then the older HD2 filter.
But I'm sure this new washable filter will be available for the 261/362 too.
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: John Mc on November 04, 2018, 01:01:38 PM
now we just need it to show up in the US
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: outinthewood on November 04, 2018, 02:09:20 PM
It's the way the filter is secured that seems a little iffy for the long term , he reported to me,  not the actual filter although the fact that there is already a new type of filter on such a new saw would make me pay attention ?  
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: HolmenTree on November 04, 2018, 02:33:40 PM
Quote from: outinthewood on November 04, 2018, 02:09:20 PM
It's the way the filter is secured that seems a little iffy for the long term , he reported to me,  not the actual filter although the fact that there is already a new type of filter on such a new saw would make me pay attention ?  
Yes it will be interesting to see if this new filter has improvements.
But over the decades with my experiences testing and being involved with Stihls development I feel confident the loosening problem has been taken care of.
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: HolmenTree on November 04, 2018, 03:18:29 PM
Quote from: John Mc on November 04, 2018, 01:01:38 PM
now we just need it to show up in the US
With the recent introduction of the Stihl  MSA 160T  battery saw in Canada, it is confirmed to enter the US market in January.  So I'm confident the MS462 will also be showing up then.

The above pictures I posted of the Stihl Canada  MS462 from Winnipeg,  Manitoba reminds me of a story I once read of Stihl entering the North American market in the 1930's.
(Winnipeg is the geographic centre of North America.)

In 1937 Andrea's Stihl upon hearing of a Dolmar saw was being tested in B.C. Canada he feared the Dolmar may become the saw of choice in the booming Canadian forest industry.
With 5 saws weighing 120 lbs each he travelled with them on a ocean liner to Montreal. From there he rented a car and travelled west with the saws across Canada.

By the time he got to the west coast in Vancouver, B.C. where all the big timber barons wanted to see his saws, he had already sold everything he had.
They weren't interested in his brochures or his European charm, they wanted to try out his saw hands on.
Andreas spent the best part of the next week retracing the 1400 miles back to Winnipeg where he looked up his latest customer and managed to borrow back the chainsaw he had just sold him.

With the saw in his rental car he drove back to Vancouver, B.C.
With a working saw to show he took a good advance order of saws.

While there he set up D.J. Smith Company as his North American distributor and sales agent.
From that period on timber harvesting was never the same.
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: HolmenTree on November 04, 2018, 03:38:49 PM
I think of my car trips to the west coast via the Trans Canada highway through the bald prairie  and the rugged Rocky Mountains on beautiful smooth pavement .

Andrea's Stihl made those back and forth 1400 mile trips on primitive gravel and dirt roads in a 1930's Model A type of car. :D
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: lil171 on November 04, 2018, 07:18:47 PM
That is quite the interesting story. And to add that yes, that would have been one heck of a trip back and forth in those days.
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: realzed on November 04, 2018, 07:37:10 PM
Willard - why do you consider that Stihl wouldn't provide any subsequent warranty or customer service for models that aren't M-Tronic equipped? They made 261's without the electronic modules and warrantied them and provided and still do, service for them.. is it that they just want to force everyone down a certain path or is this just a somewhat short-sighted and German (read - stubborn) stance?
In doing so from what I can tell from those I often see post comments to the effect "I will never trust any electronics to control my saw" and/or saying "I will never buy one that I can't adjust myself" type of thing.. aren't they just cutting off a noticeable and somewhat legitimate portion of their potential customer base?  
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: HolmenTree on November 04, 2018, 07:38:09 PM
Quote from: lil171 on November 04, 2018, 07:18:47 PM
That is quite the interesting story. And to add that yes, that would have been one heck of a trip back and forth in those days.
There was a lot more to that trip for Mr Stihl I didn't include .
He single handedly drove into many remote logging camps in that mountainous terrain to demonstrate that saw.
He was the ultimate salesman.
Then everything went to hell in a hand basket for him a few years later when WW2 started. His German patents were then worthless, his factory flattened by allied bombers.
Then on top of all that his saws in North America were copied to the exact screw bolt (kinda like the Chinese today)and a hundred saw companies opened for business in North America.
The Swedes were lucky they stayed neutral during the war.
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: HolmenTree on November 04, 2018, 07:45:23 PM
Quote from: realzed on November 04, 2018, 07:37:10 PM
Willard - why do you consider that Stihl wouldn't provide any subsequent warranty or customer service for models that aren't M-Tronic equipped? They made 261's without the electronic modules and warrantied them and provided and still do, service them.. is it that they just want to force everyone down a certain path or is this just somewhat short-sighted and a German (read - stubborn) stance?
In doing so from what I can tell from those I often see post comments to the effect "I will never trust any electronics to control my saw" and/or saying "I will never buy one that I can't adjust myself" type of thing.. aren't they just cutting off a noticeable and legitimate portion of their potential customer base?  
realzed, re read my comments. I said if someone decides to order saws from overseas ..then don' t expect your dealer in Sudbury, Ontario to cover its warranty if something goes wrong with it.
Same goes for Husqvarna or any other brand.
Maybe I wasn't clear, your Stihl dealer can't order a saw from overseas.
But someone there can send you one. 
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: HolmenTree on November 04, 2018, 07:53:13 PM
And if you search various saw sites there are lots of Europeans who will send for profit a 462 cm or non cm to North America,  but when you get it you're on your own , no dealer support. Every saw serial # is recorded at each dealership for record.
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: sawguy21 on November 04, 2018, 09:33:05 PM
Quote from: HolmenTree on November 04, 2018, 07:38:09 PM
Quote from: lil171 on November 04, 2018, 07:18:47 PM
That is quite the interesting story. And to add that yes, that would have been one heck of a trip back and forth in those days.
There was a lot more to that trip for Mr Stihl I didn't include .
He single handedly drove into many remote logging camps in that mountainous terrain to demonstrate that saw.
He was the ultimate salesman.
Then everything went to hell in a hand basket for him a few years later when WW2 started. His German patents were then worthless, his factory flattened by allied bombers.
Then on top of all that his saws in North America were copied to the exact screw bolt (kinda like the Chinese today)and a hundred saw companies opened for business in North America.
The Swedes were lucky they stayed neutral during the war.
Peter Holmquist did the same thing with Husqvarna, he hated the Stihl distributor. :D
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: HolmenTree on November 04, 2018, 10:37:19 PM
Well I wouldn't say he invented a chainsaw but he was a good promoter and able to speak Swedish.

He was born and raised on a farm in Saskatchewan just down the road from our farm.
He showed up at a chainsaw contest I was at about 40 years ago promoting his saws. I was running a Stihl.
He cracked a joke about Husqvarna making guns to shoot the Germans in the world wars.
I said "yeah they may have made them but they were too chicken to use them".
He didn't like that. :D
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: barbender on November 04, 2018, 10:50:55 PM
Haha good come back!😂😂
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: joe_indi on November 05, 2018, 06:06:49 AM
So, finally it has arrived! Have fun.
Frankly, I found the new 382 enough of a saw for our use here to support the 460s and 461s.

A bit worn out and shop shabby :(

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Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: HolmenTree on November 05, 2018, 06:44:10 AM
That's awesome Joe. ;D
You were one of the first persons on earth to hold and see a MS462 working, old news for you. :)

I still haven't touched one yet, might be a while as this first shipment is sold out.
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: teakwood on November 05, 2018, 08:54:24 AM
Quote from: HolmenTree on November 05, 2018, 06:44:10 AMI still haven't touched one yet, might be a while as this first shipment is sold out.


You didn't assure one from the first order before they sold out??

How much $ is the saw in Canada? That was a subject on a tread some time ago 
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: HolmenTree on November 05, 2018, 09:17:35 AM
Quote from: teakwood on November 05, 2018, 08:54:24 AM
Quote from: HolmenTree on November 05, 2018, 06:44:10 AMI still haven't touched one yet, might be a while as this first shipment is sold out.


You didn't assure one from the first order before they sold out??

How much $ is the saw in Canada? That was a subject on a tread some time ago
I just found out a day ago they came into Canada.
I guess my friend and I aren't that close. Him and another guy in B.C. are buying them and shipping them into the US. Only 35 came into Canada on this first shipment so he says.
I'm in no rush as I got a sweet 066 hybrid and 261to keep me happy for now.
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: barbender on November 05, 2018, 10:07:23 AM
Some friend lol. 
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: HolmenTree on November 05, 2018, 10:28:13 AM
Quote from: barbender on November 05, 2018, 10:07:23 AM
Some friend lol.
Yeah I guess he has more CAD to share with forum members in the US :D
Another warning for the guys in the US who are buying these saws from Canada, you are on your own if you need warranty.
We may be neighbors but both Stihl Canada and Stihl Inc. in Virginia beach are 2 totally separate identities.
Warranty rules for one doesn't work for the other.
Stihl Ultra and orange bottle mix in both countries are different. Canadian mix is manufactured by Castrol and American mix is manufactured by Omni Specialty Packaging  LLC.
Emissions are different too.
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: John Mc on November 05, 2018, 11:56:46 AM
 So if I buy a saw  where I live here in Vermont,  then moved to Canada the warranty  Will not be honored by Stihl?
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: HolmenTree on November 05, 2018, 02:28:43 PM
Now why would you move to Canada John? :)
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: John Mc on November 05, 2018, 02:50:54 PM
Quote from: HolmenTree on November 05, 2018, 02:28:43 PM
Now why would you move to Canada John? :)
I guess to be able to get an MS 462? 
Or maybe to live in a country where polite, rational discourse is still possible?
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: realzed on November 05, 2018, 03:05:45 PM
Quote from: John Mc on November 05, 2018, 02:50:54 PM
Quote from: HolmenTree on November 05, 2018, 02:28:43 PM
Now why would you move to Canada John? :)
Or maybe to live in a country where polite, rational discourse is still possible?
There's not much of that allowed here in our country anymore either - save you self the time and trouble of moving!
We here now are having it just as bad or worse.. since our media has been hijacked.
As for the same question I posed last evening (and it disappeared) about moving and having my valid warranty honored elsewhere - considering Stihl's own proud advertising about their Worldwide network of dealers and support around the Globe - it would be interesting as to what the answer is from a Stihl Rep.. 
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: John Mc on November 05, 2018, 03:21:03 PM
Well, let's not go any further down this rabbit hole. I don't want to see the thread get moved.
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: snowstorm on November 05, 2018, 04:49:43 PM
Quote from: HolmenTree on November 05, 2018, 10:28:13 AM
Quote from: barbender on November 05, 2018, 10:07:23 AM
Some friend lol.
Yeah I guess he has more CAD to share with forum members in the US :D
Another warning for the guys in the US who are buying these saws from Canada, you are on your own if you need warranty.
We may be neighbors but both Stihl Canada and Stihl Inc. in Virginia beach are 2 totally separate identities.
Warranty rules for one doesn't work for the other.
Stihl Ultra and orange bottle mix in both countries are different. Canadian mix is manufactured by Castrol and American mix is manufactured by Omni Specialty Packaging  LLC.
Emissions are different too.
2 yrs ago i toured the irving oil refinery in st john nb. there was many barrels of oil labeled castrol  made by irving. along with other brands carquest kimpex and a few others
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: snowstorm on November 05, 2018, 04:51:08 PM
Quote from: John Mc on November 05, 2018, 02:50:54 PM
Quote from: HolmenTree on November 05, 2018, 02:28:43 PM
Now why would you move to Canada John? :)
I guess to be able to get an MS 462?  
Or maybe to live in a country where polite, rational discourse is still possible?
i was just going to say the last part
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: HolmenTree on November 05, 2018, 07:51:51 PM
I took my family to St. John last year, my brother and his wife have a summer cottage on the St. John river.
Irving is huge there.Too bad their diesel fuel refinery had that big explosion recently. Then a couple days later at the same time a barge also blew up there along with the pipeline explosion in B.C.

Sounds suspicious to me.
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: Builtbybross on November 14, 2018, 11:23:14 PM
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 I just ordered one from Russia, it was just over $1,000 shipped and will be here late December. I can wait to get it
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: HolmenTree on November 15, 2018, 06:54:39 AM
Builtbybross, Very nice!
I'm thinking you're in the U.S. as a $1000 USD is $1323 CDN.
Sounds like a deal too good to be true.
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: teakwood on November 15, 2018, 08:07:25 AM
I would be skeptical. What's with the warranty?    
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: realzed on November 19, 2018, 05:56:34 PM
I visited one of my local Stihl dealers today - and there it was sitting pretty on the shelf amongst many others - a spanking new 462CM with a 24" lightweight bar to boot!
Very nice looking machine and hoisting it around was pretty easy even compared to the 362 and 261 parked nearby.
Its certainly no lightweight for sure, but was a lot lighter than I fully expected it to feel like.
One beautiful piece certainly..
I asked about pricing and got $1409.95 plus taxes and that was with a regular 20" bar and chain set up. I would assume with the 20" or bigger light bar it would climb up quite rapidly though..
If I cut big wood regularly and could afford it - this would without a doubt be 'the one'..  
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: HolmenTree on November 20, 2018, 08:31:02 AM
Randy, that Stihl 20" ES Light bar will raise the price considerably.
The one I recently bought for the 066 cost me $180 CDN.

My dealer won't bring a 462 in, order only, not a big enough market here.
I'll order one in 4 months.
I'm on my off season right now won't cut wood until next April.
In my warm workshop and it's 40 below out side. :)
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: realzed on November 20, 2018, 09:11:38 AM
40 below eh.. Oh how I miss North of 55 - NOT!  :D
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: HolmenTree on November 20, 2018, 10:11:14 AM
Quote from: realzed on November 20, 2018, 09:11:38 AM
40 below eh.. Oh how I miss North of 55 - NOT!  :D
I can dress for it as snug as a bug in a rug. :D
Just took this photo on my front step at 9am right now facing NWW.

Sun is shining brightly with a beautiful blue sky.
This snow will stay till spring and the most we will get over the winter is knee deep.
Now I worked alongside many loggers who worked in your area of Ontario and they hated it. Too much snow and always wet. Plus hardly any sunshine, very depressing.  Same goes for B.C. and the east coast. Lol.
We don't call "Sunny Manitoba " for nothing.  :)

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Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: realzed on November 20, 2018, 10:56:06 AM
Yep - we do get a lot of wet crap and very little sun here for the most part your friends are correct!
I do fondly remember many beautiful clear days and nights up in N. Manitoba  with the Northern lights just buzzing away when the temps got down into the minus '60s occasionally, but as it got colder it also got a lot drier and calmer as a function of that type of weather, so it actually is pretty enjoyable OR 'was'.. time and beer can deaden memory cells though obviously! :).
I but I do know when the oil thickens to the point where it won't flow enough to keep the space heater stove going and it's time to throw a couple of gallons of AV gas into the 45 tank to keep it runny - it's far colder than I would ever handle well now or even want to experience again!
Many of my old work friends - some with families, spent a lot of Winters at INCO's exploration camp in Moak Lake close you, before Thompson as you now know it was even built..
The wives who did must have been true 'troopers'..  
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: realzed on November 20, 2018, 11:11:51 AM
The reason I stopped in at the dealership (aside from wondering if they might have a 462 stocked), was to see about one of those loop handles as pictured on that 462CMR(R) pictured in Stihl's new saw flyer that you noted  ???
They obviously would never stock a 461R rescue saw - but they did allow that it would make for a better grip for me and my bad hands - and said it was only $6 to bring in - so I ordered one and if it is too big or clumsy I'll just park it on my power washer or something else..
That 462 IS one nice looking piece though. Just one of many other  reasons I wish I was younger and had more money to play around with..
as it would be with me right now here as I write this! :P   
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: HolmenTree on November 20, 2018, 03:54:48 PM
At my stage in my life the 462 will probably be the last saw I will ever buy. But having said that a fuel injected MS500i would be the final grand finale. 
But also having said all that.... a brand new Husqvarna 572XP would have to offer assistance to back those saws up. :D
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: HolmenTree on November 20, 2018, 10:29:56 PM
Maybe I should have ordered a new MS462. ... because the water line contractor who hired me last week to remove those 12 poplars,   called me up this afternoon and wants about 35 more trees removed along that busy street.
And what I see there may be more . The recent  cold weather has set his crews behind schedule a bit and no time to deal with trees with their big backhoes and hauling them away.

It's warming up for the rest of the week and weekend so I'm comfortably back to chopping wood.
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: barbender on November 21, 2018, 01:18:26 AM
Go for it Willard, we need the review!👍👍
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: realzed on November 21, 2018, 06:21:14 AM
I just happen to know (wink) where there is a nice one with a 20" light weight bar available today! 8) HA!  
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: teakwood on November 21, 2018, 07:30:39 AM
Quote from: barbender on November 21, 2018, 01:18:26 AMGo for it Willard, we need the review!👍👍

X2 on that!

I would a have ordered that saw in an instant, just to stare at it when you bring her home and then i would find a tree or log to try her. i could not wait 4 month.  Maybe you CSA isn't that bad as mine(https://forestryforum.com/board/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif)
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: HolmenTree on November 21, 2018, 08:25:02 AM
Well I'll see today how much wood they need me to remove. From a quick tour yesterday most of the trees are alot closer to the street and sidewalk. Apartment buildings are closer too.
I'm going to have to raise my price for the close quarters plus the fact their taking me out of my winter hibernation.

Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: HolmenTree on November 21, 2018, 09:14:22 PM
Well guys I'm off for the winter, now I can get some shop time and get my equipment gone over for next spring.
Also got a hotsaw rebuild project to finish.
So no need for a new MS462 for the winter.

Turned out this contractor  was just playing with me.
He called me late this afternoon and said he wants the next bluff of smaller trees removed on the weekend.
He said he's leaving in the morning for home in the big city and I can give him the invoice next week when he gets back.

Well a few hours later in the dark. I take a drive past that worksite and I see his backhoe operator took out  all the trees except one.
I pull over behind his pickup where he's sitting and walk up to his window. His eyes were like saucers and I said to him "looks like you won't need me John, your operator can handle that last tree eh ?"

Grinning he was a little lost for words and I could smell the booze on his breath.
From my further questions I found out he was removing some of the sidewalk and doesn't need me to remove any more trees.

Lesson learned dealing with big contractors, more ammunition for my future endeavors.  :)



Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: ODPS on November 22, 2018, 07:28:47 AM
Anyone know where to get a Shop Manual or IPL for the MS 462?
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: Builtbybross on November 25, 2018, 07:58:06 PM
I received mine on Friday and used it to cut up a big white oak. It performed flawlessly and was a lot nicer to use that the slightly older 461
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: HolmenTree on November 25, 2018, 08:44:48 PM
Yup I heard lots of good reports too. Put some hours on it and you'll have a great performing saw.
I'm waiting for a 462 Arctic with the heated handles and carb, won't be available until February. 
Welcome to the forum Builtbybross.
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: Builtbybross on November 25, 2018, 10:30:48 PM
I received my 462 Friday and used it over the weekend. It is a smooth saw and had all kinds of power with a 25" bar with a carbide chain. The new kill switch and anti vibration handle is very nice and compared to our couple year old 461 it is a lot more comfortable to run
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: John Mc on November 26, 2018, 07:12:16 AM
Quote from: Builtbybross on November 25, 2018, 10:30:48 PM
I received my 462 Friday and used it over the weekend. It is a smooth saw and had all kinds of power with a 25" bar with a carbide chain.
What are you cutting that you need a carbide chain for?
They do hold up well, but I've not tired one yet that I like the cutting action on, compared to a well sharpened regular chain.
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: HolmenTree on November 26, 2018, 08:11:33 AM
Quote from: Builtbybross on November 25, 2018, 10:30:48 PM
I received my 462 Friday and used it over the weekend. It is a smooth saw and had all kinds of power with a 25" bar with a carbide chain. The new kill switch and anti vibration handle is very nice and compared to our couple year old 461 it is a lot more comfortable to run
I was wondering if you bought the MS462 CM R (rescue saw) with carbide chain and without the bar depth control guard Stihl was advertising?

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Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: realzed on November 28, 2018, 12:21:25 PM
Watched a new YouTube video from Sweden - Skogsforum.se on YouTube Stihl MS 500i - First Review Chainsaw w/o Carburetor - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoNyZEjX2bs) last evening on the new 500i saw. All I can say is Wow!
Does Stihl do this in Sweden just to drive Husky crazy right in their own back yard!??  
Weighs basically the same as a new 462 and yet puts out close to 7hp - cuts like crazy- said to be scheduled for 2019 year whenever that means in 'Stihl-time'..
They showed it up against a 362 and it would hack through a big log in virtually half of the time.. not that I care that much about cutting for speed, but it does illustrate the power from somewhat a decent comparison sake.
The price was in Euros and a wide range at that - 1400 - 1600!!!
It better be good for that much - unless that all changes by the time it hits here!
I would never need or even want one (a nice 262i would be great) but amazing speed, power, lightness, and look once they opened up the filter and top covers to allow a peek inside and there's not much there - thus much of the lightness!
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: HolmenTree on November 28, 2018, 02:43:13 PM
Randy, thanks for sharing this video. You beat me to it :)

Very impressive saw and video.
Only complaint I have is it cut on a logging site for 20 straight tanks of fuel , which is normally about three 7 hour logging days without cleaning.

The result shows fine dust working its way past a very dusty air filter into the intake.
Now we all know cutting spruce or other softwood like in the video is very dusty and sappy alot more then cutting straight hardwood.

Now if the logger had any worth in maintaining his saw he would have at least tapped out the air filter the best he could to clean it after a 7 tanks or a 7 hour day.

Yes Stihl has taken the lead in the industry with the 500i and 462, and will for years to come.
Unfortunately I hate to say Husqvarna will have to sell more lawn mowers and sewing machines.
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: ehp on November 29, 2018, 07:26:24 AM
Im still waiting on my 462 , London says they donot have any but I never asked when the next shipment is coming in
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: ehp on December 13, 2018, 09:58:23 PM
finally came in late today
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: HolmenTree on December 14, 2018, 07:55:55 AM
Quote from: ehp on December 13, 2018, 09:58:23 PM
finally came in late today
Ed, were you able to get a Arctic?
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: ehp on December 14, 2018, 07:29:55 PM
No, I did not , 462 is lighter than the 461 but once full of fuel its no where near as light as the 562
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: HolmenTree on December 14, 2018, 10:25:04 PM
Well I heard the latest upgraded 562 is about .8 lb heavier then the old ones.
Should be more then a 462 now.
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: teakwood on December 15, 2018, 07:17:37 AM
and the 562 is a 60cc saw, the 462 is 70cc. two different classes
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: ehp on December 15, 2018, 08:44:02 AM
the 562 is pretty new and heated handles on it but then again lets just saw the cylinder should be quite abit lighter than a stock one , for some reason none of the ports look like the stock one does
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: HolmenTree on December 15, 2018, 11:21:12 AM
Quote from: teakwood on December 15, 2018, 07:17:37 AM
and the 562 is a 60cc saw, the 462 is 70cc. two different classes
Yeah those 2 model numbers can be confusing  :D
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: ehp on December 15, 2018, 02:24:24 PM
not confusing at all, Just the 462 is lighter than the 461 but not like I was hearing it was , everyone was saying it was the same as the 562 which its not
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: ehp on December 15, 2018, 02:26:14 PM
and my 562 will eat it for lunch, ya it runs good the 462  but not even close to the 562
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: HolmenTree on December 15, 2018, 03:21:35 PM
Quote from: ehp on December 15, 2018, 02:26:14 PM
and my 562 will eat it for lunch, ya it runs good the 462  but not even close to the 562
Ed, a little massaging with your porting tools on the 462 will blow away your 562. ;)
:)
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: ehp on December 17, 2018, 05:07:18 PM
going to run it for a while and see how it ends up  before doing anything to it , only fair way to see how it cuts
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: Phil_Oz on December 17, 2018, 11:52:20 PM
Listed on the Stihl AU website for AUD $1959 (roughly USD 1490). So they are here too.
I was at the local Stihl dealer yesterday, didn't see one there, but wasn't looking for it either.

On Youtube, the 'Swedish Homestead' guys do a review (and also review the Husky 572XP?). Nice, but I can't justify it for what I do - firewood etc.

[Edit to add]
...And the Husky 572XP is also on their site - by some strange co-incidence - it is exactly the same RRP as the Stihl MS462 C-M.
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: ehp on December 19, 2018, 06:52:43 PM
the 462 is starting to seat the rings , its seems to run ok, its abit lean on idle once its up to temp but no bog . once its totally broken in I will test it against some other stock saws and see how it compares
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: ehp on December 22, 2018, 08:52:28 PM
461 for sure has more torque than the 462 , but I find the 462 nicer to use and for sure nicer to limb with compared to the 461 . That's mainly cause its thinner in design . Once I got say 50 tanks of fuel threw the 462 I will run it against a stock 461 , I think I got 3- stock 461 sitting here with about those number of tanks threw them  
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: nativewolf on December 22, 2018, 09:06:09 PM
Looking forward to hearing more.  I couldn't wait so bought a husky to hold me for a year.
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: ehp on December 27, 2018, 08:35:48 PM
the 462 is coming around some now , rings are starting to set but compression still is not up to full yet I am sure . Cut bigger hardwood today with lots in the 36 to 42 inch dbh , its a nice saw to run . I like the mounts on this saw far better than say my 362 . Its nice for cutting limbs being thin like it is . Yesterday thou I had to get stuff cut so I ran the ported 461 . once the 462 is  ported if  I can end up at even 80% of the power the 461 makes I will be happy . I know Im not going to end up close to the same in power mainly cause the 461 produces so much torque .
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: barbender on December 27, 2018, 11:24:30 PM
Thanks for all the updates on the 462, ehp👍
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: ehp on December 28, 2018, 04:28:13 PM
In stock form the M tronic on this saw works the best of any of the Mtronic or autotune saws I have run , its pretty good
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: ehp on December 29, 2018, 06:25:20 PM
today she finally kicked back a couple times when starting cause just not pulled hard enough, never did that before so maybe now the rings are starting to set
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: teakwood on December 30, 2018, 08:01:50 AM
Quote from: HolmenTree on November 20, 2018, 08:31:02 AMRandy, that Stihl 20" ES Light bar will raise the price considerably.


Willard, can you weight your 20" light bar and give me the exact kilos? I could not find anything online. I'm trying to calculate if a 462 with 20" light will be the same weight as my current setup, 361 with 18" ES bar.
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: HolmenTree on December 30, 2018, 02:11:18 PM
Quote from: teakwood on December 30, 2018, 08:01:50 AM
Quote from: HolmenTree on November 20, 2018, 08:31:02 AMRandy, that Stihl 20" ES Light bar will raise the price considerably.


Willard, can you weight your 20" light bar and give me the exact kilos? I could not find anything online. I'm trying to calculate if a 462 with 20" light will be the same weight as my current setup, 361 with 18" ES bar.
Ramon, the 20" ES Light bar weighs 0.907 kg. (2lb 0 oz exactly)

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/21589/20180822_202202~0.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1546197064)
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: realzed on December 30, 2018, 03:31:00 PM
As an aside - considering we talked about the cost somewhat of having one of these 'light' bars.. earlier in this or another thread - I did ask our local dealer here that had the new 462 model on display - just how much it added to the cost and his response was a $120.00 to upgrade.. it was a 24" size as well..
Not sure if that is a typical cost - but it was what I was told it was there at least!
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: lxskllr on December 30, 2018, 04:01:52 PM
$120 sounds really high. That's about what it costs to buy the bar outright(in USA).

Been debating light bars myself. It's an extravagance I don't need, but... I like the way the Stihl bars look, and the branding matches, but the Sugihara are a good bit cheaper.
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: realzed on December 30, 2018, 06:09:10 PM
It appears the dealer was either wrong OR he doesn't want to sell very many - as I now see Stihl lists the saw on their website around $60 or so over a model with a 16" regular bar (who would ever want one with a 16" bar?)..
Anyway - possibly what he meant was that the 24" lightweight bar would cost an additional $120 over and above a complete saw albeit carrying a 16"er.. - that would make more sense and $$ logical..
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: HolmenTree on December 30, 2018, 07:29:35 PM
Quote from: realzed on December 30, 2018, 06:09:10 PM
It appears the dealer was either wrong OR he doesn't want to sell very many - as I now see Stihl lists the saw on their website around $60 or so over a model with a 16" regular bar (who would ever want one with a 16" bar?)..
Anyway - possibly what he meant was that the 24" lightweight bar would cost an additional $120 over and above a complete saw albeit carrying a 16"er.. - that would make more sense and $$ logical..
Randy, I ordered a 20" ES light bar from my Stihl dealer and with tax it was $180.
But if I ordered a  new MS462 the 20" light bar upgrade would only cost $50.
$60 for a 24"
$75 for a 28"
$85 for a 32"
So with my next new saw purchase I would order it with a 28" and then be set with all the versatility I'd need for what I cut.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/21589/FB_IMG_1533303373797.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1546216165)
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: teakwood on December 31, 2018, 05:26:50 PM
Quote from: HolmenTree on December 30, 2018, 02:11:18 PMRamon, the 20" ES Light bar weighs 0.907 kg. (2lb 0 oz exactly)


Thanks Willard.

the 18" ES bar is 1.1kg, so doing the math: the 361 is 5.6kg, the 462 is 6kg. the light bar is 0,2kg lighter but the saw 0.4kg heavier.

the new setup of the 462 with a 20"light will just be 0,2kg heavier than my current 361 with 18"bar and i will gain 2" of bar length and 1.4 hp of power. Wow, that will be great!!(https://forestryforum.com/board/Smileys/default/grin.gif)

i researched the fuel capacitys on both saws, the 361 has 680cc and the 462 has 720cc, so they're almost the same. makes you wonder if the 462 will fly thru a tank?? 

Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: ehp on December 31, 2018, 06:24:51 PM
as mine breaks in its getting better on fuel and it has a lot more jam than a stock 361
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: DelawhereJoe on December 31, 2018, 06:27:08 PM
Do you think the dealers down your way will have the electronics to hook up to the saws ? They are still selling the 051 and looking at the website they don't have anything thats m-tronic, most things look like they are 1+ model behind the times.
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: DelawhereJoe on December 31, 2018, 06:28:35 PM
It would be terrible to buy a saw and have no one who could work on it because of the technology of it.
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: teakwood on December 31, 2018, 06:45:14 PM
I never had any serious trouble with any stihl over the last 20years, so why start now??(https://forestryforum.com/board/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif)

They have 2-3 M- tronic saws already, one is the top handle saw. My dealer already has the stihl training for the new saws. not much sold here though.

The 051 isn't sold anymore, they just never update the homepages, but you are right: we are 1-2 models behind but that doesn't mean that i can't set new standards around here with trying out newer models.
The dealer sells some things they didn't because of me insisting on getting them. 
I brought 2in1 file guides from the US and sold them here to some local loggers who had a hard time to get a good edge on their saws    
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: ehp on December 31, 2018, 06:53:34 PM
if your a dealer here you have to have the machine to fix it , this 462 will remind you a lot like the 362 but to me , its got far better mount system for logging, 362 mounts are pretty soft for falling I find, more power and a nice saw to cut with
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: ehp on January 02, 2019, 06:18:00 PM
Im thinking the 462 should be about as good as its going to get by now so when I get a chance I will test it against a 461 and a 372
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: teakwood on January 05, 2019, 09:22:02 AM
ehp: If i get a 462 can i open up the muffler so the saw wakes up some more and breath a little better and runs cooler? What would you recommend for modifications? i just want the saw to run a little better for all day use, don't need a screaming saw which spend double the amount of fuel.
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: ehp on January 05, 2019, 05:48:45 PM
yes you can open up the muffler , I ordered another 462 today. I cut with this saw most of the time and got lots of fuel ran threw it , its good so I want 2 . I will take the 362 out of the pickup and replace it with another 462 and then I got 2-461 arctic;s and 2- 462 with me . I have to say that this 462 is by far the cleanest stihl I got as far as how dirty the air filter gets , mine still is like new and have not touched it yet, my 461's I clean everyday
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: ehp on January 05, 2019, 05:50:45 PM
just open muffler up abit and try it , they take a while to break in . Lots of guys think this 462 is ported but its stock yet but it sounds kind of like its ported and you run it like its ported
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: teakwood on January 06, 2019, 07:12:17 AM
thanks ehp, i don't need one right now, teak market has dropped by 50% so that sucks big time and the spending money part is suspended!
Of course the saw will never be available here, so if any of you guy comes to Costa Rica on a vacation trip will have to bring me a 462 in the suitcase!
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: ehp on January 11, 2019, 10:28:42 PM
looks like I will not get the next 462 until close to the end of the month, Stihl Canada is sold out again and waiting for the next shipment of saws
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: ehp on January 21, 2019, 06:41:29 PM
today was a very good test day for the 462 , Im cutting on a hill very close to Lake Erie so a lot of wind , with wind chill it was -34 or -35 for most of the day . It was -24 without wind chill, its to be -25 or more in the morning without wind chill . Air has a lot of ice moist in it so most mtronic/autotune cannot adjust for that, the 462 never missed a beat and ran quite well. Wood was quite hard to with the water/frost in the tree.
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: barbender on January 21, 2019, 09:39:57 PM
I'm waiting for your verdict on it, ehp...how does it compare to a 461? I need to update my larger saw soon, and I'm having a hard time deciding if I should wait for the 462, go with a 461, or even a Husky 576. The 576 is a lot less money at the local dealer than the 461.
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: ehp on January 21, 2019, 11:46:28 PM
462 is the best deal I feel right now as a saw to use everyday , its a lot nicer to fall timber with , its lighter, narrow and feels good in my hands , I donot have the arctic but the handle bars are not steel so even today my hands were fine to cut with. I have zero complaints about this saw and did order another one , They must be pretty good cause Stihl Canada cannot keep any in stock, always sold out but I should get my other one in about a week I was told . Price wise from what I have seen guys say they are to pay in the USA is a lot more than what I pay in Canada, not sure why that is other than someone is making money off you guys . One thing thou I found it takes a while to break the 462 in so what you start with is not what you end up with . I think the 462 is out in the USA now . It turns a higher rpm in the wood compared to the 461 , it has a little torque but in cutting speed its a pretty close race between the 2
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: ehp on January 21, 2019, 11:49:36 PM
its kind of like running the old 044 in a lot of ways power wise but 462 has a better mount system and a way way better air filter setup, Its the best filter setup I have ever seen on a stihl  
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: barbender on January 22, 2019, 12:26:34 AM
Thanks ehp! Yeah I'll have to see what they're priced at, the local dealer that is typically pretty fairly priced has the 461 up around $1100 I think. We'll see when they get some 462's. I really like the 261cm I got last winter, it's a torquey little beast and just runs really well. I had a 346xp before that, the 261 doesn't rev as much or as high it seems, but personally I prefer a torquey low end power curve. If the 462 ran just like that 261 but way more if it, that's what I'm looking for😊
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: HolmenTree on January 22, 2019, 09:28:29 AM
Quote from: ehp on January 21, 2019, 11:49:36 PM
its kind of like running the old 044 in a lot of ways power wise but 462 has a better mount system and a way way better air filter setup, Its the best filter setup I have ever seen on a stihl  
Thanks Ed for taking the time to share your experiences with the 462.
I don't own one yet but my feeling about the 462 from everything I read about it reminds me of a 044 also.
At the time in the late 1980's the Husqvarna 268XP and the Jonsered 670 ruled supreme in the 70cc class.
So at the time myself being used to a 064 and a 038 Magnum the 044 had a much different powerband... not as much torque but more high rpm power. My early 1989 10mm 044 was light, narrow profile and a zippy high power saw for the time period.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/21589/20170124_103319_resized.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1485281445)
 
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: barbender on January 22, 2019, 02:45:18 PM
So help me get this straight...the 462 is a higher rpm, power up top type of saw? What about the 461, is it a low end grunt machine. I like a nice smooth power delivery, starting down low.
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: barbender on January 22, 2019, 02:45:49 PM
So help me get this straight...the 462 is a higher rpm, power up top type of saw? What about the 461, is it a low end grunt machine? I like a nice smooth power delivery, starting down low.
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: HolmenTree on January 22, 2019, 05:42:40 PM
Quote from: barbender on January 22, 2019, 02:45:49 PM
So help me get this straight...the 462 is a higher rpm, power up top type of saw? What about the 461, is it a low end grunt machine? I like a nice smooth power delivery, starting down low.
I think with a handle like "barbender" a 461 may be more suited for you :D
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: joe_indi on January 22, 2019, 08:54:35 PM
Quote from: barbender on January 22, 2019, 02:45:18 PM
So help me get this straight...the 462 is a higher rpm, power up top type of saw? What about the 461, is it a low end grunt machine. I like a nice smooth power delivery, starting down low.
The low end grunt was more in a 460 (with a dual port), the 461 because of its exhaust stratification would run undecidedly at the same low speed, but move the throttle up a notch and it the power and from there onwards it is the smooth delivery you prefer. 
The 462 with its lower displacement and fancier breathing and electronics delivers the power of the other two if not a bit more, but it needs the rpms. I think you would be very happy with a 461 with a dual port. With that and a 460 ignition coil I found the 461 can run a 16" solid nose bar fitted with a 404 chain. Something the other two could not do
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: ehp on January 23, 2019, 06:50:32 AM
I have all of those saws here in pretty much new just broken condition, the 462 is a nicer saw to run than any of the others , it does not have the grunt of a good 461 but because it cuts at a higher rpm it cuts at pretty well the same speed , the grunt is close but not the same as the 461 but I like running the 462 better than the 461 . Im very happy with my 462 , now Im also happy with my 461's .
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: ehp on January 24, 2019, 06:19:00 PM
dealer called , my new 462 I guess got to him later today, I will pick it up and break it in then do a timed cut trail with all the stock saws, 460, 461 and 462
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: sawguy21 on January 25, 2019, 12:44:50 AM
Quote from: ehp on January 21, 2019, 06:41:29 PM
today was a very good test day for the 462 , Im cutting on a hill very close to Lake Erie so a lot of wind , with wind chill it was -34 or -35 for most of the day . It was -24 without wind chill, its to be -25 or more in the morning without wind chill . Air has a lot of ice moist in it so most mtronic/autotune cannot adjust for that, the 462 never missed a beat and ran quite well. Wood was quite hard to with the water/frost in the tree.
What in tarnation are you doing cutting in those conditions? :o
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: ehp on January 25, 2019, 06:58:03 AM
making money to feed my family
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: Grandpa on January 25, 2019, 10:21:30 AM
Thanks for the real world reporting Ed. Sounds like a winner so far.

I do have a question though. I have some carpal tunnel problems and would like to know how the vibration compares to other saws. I am currently running a 562xp and a 372xp xt. I am ok with these saws but cannot run a rubber mounted saw. I know the 462 is spring mounted and wonder how it compares to Husky. Any feedback would be appreciated.

Also, I can't find an IPL for the 462 online. Does anyone know if the 462 is available with a choice of hard or soft springs.
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: ehp on January 25, 2019, 04:19:56 PM
462 to me is abit stiffer in mounts compared to say the 562   , I find the 562/365/372 a bit to soft for falling timber in frozen wood, WE have to bore cut almost every tree , higher grade timber plus high wind almost all times . Even on the landing I prefer abit stiffer mount cause of doing under cuts , the soft mount lets the power head move to much for me . Husky does make a stiffer mount thou . I picked up the other new 462 just now so it will be working tomorrow .
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: Grandpa on January 25, 2019, 08:59:54 PM
Thanks for the reply. I am watching this thread with a lot of interest. Nothing like a real logger to test a saw. Please keep the reports coming.
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: WWright on January 26, 2019, 06:35:28 AM
 Hi I too have been watching this thread with a lot of interest,especially ehp real life reports. I have been running a couple 460's I think since they came out. I really like this saw. I have been thinking I would like to get a 462 when they show up,the power to weight ratio interest me.

One of my employees went to local equipment dealer to get Kubota parts yesterday and they told him they were getting 462 in next week. I was really surprised to hear that. I will be checking in with them and keep you posted

The only curve ball now is that Stihl has also come out with this MS 500i. What do you guys think about this saw compared to the 462 ?

Great thread !
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: ehp on January 26, 2019, 05:49:31 PM
I put a couple tanks threw the new 462 today but mainly ran the other 462, I think the new 462 might be stronger than my first one , it pulling pretty good and if it gains as much breaking in as the first one its going to be pretty strong light saw
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: ehp on January 26, 2019, 05:52:53 PM
I might be off on the mounts , the 462 is pretty nice . Once I get a second I will test all of them on that part. Im thinking the 460 is worse by abit for how your hands feel after 8 hours on running it
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: teakwood on January 27, 2019, 10:38:57 AM
Quote from: WWright on January 26, 2019, 06:35:28 AMThe only curve ball now is that Stihl has also come out with this MS 500i.


I wouldn't count too much on the 500i, it gets released this year in Europe i think. If they need the same time to adapt production like with the 462 which isn't really available or always sold out, it could be at least mid 2020 before they hit the american market. Just a thought
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: ehp on January 28, 2019, 05:55:40 PM
ya Im thinking a year or 2 before we see the 500i over here , been using the newest 462 on the landing bucking logs up, it works just like the first one . I ran a 28 inch bar on the first 462 falling big maple , we bore cut from both sides and saw handled it pretty good
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: HolmenTree on January 28, 2019, 06:25:08 PM
I won't be cutting a stick here until at least April.  I got my mind set on a MS462 C-M VW with heated carb and handles. I heard rumors there was a wiring issue on the earlier models, might be why their not here in Canada yet.
Will get the Arctic VW as long as it's a half wrap handle. No 3/4 or full wrap for me.

Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: ehp on January 28, 2019, 07:48:32 PM
I think I read the arctic is quite abit heavier , Im working in -30 and my hands have not been cold yet , the steel handle bar saws my hands freeze so need heated on them
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: ehp on January 28, 2019, 07:53:27 PM
got 2 different weights on the heated saw but the latest weight is only .1 kg more so hope that is the true weight for the saw
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: HolmenTree on January 28, 2019, 09:02:15 PM
Ed, your 462 carbs  icing up at all?
Can you get the plastic winter cover for the rewind housing or just using duct tape ?
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: ehp on January 28, 2019, 11:15:02 PM
So far not a single problem and Im thinking unless I get into deep snow I will not have a problem , the air the carb gets on the 462 is a lot cleaner than either a 461 or the 460/660 so no wood chips or snow to the filter, I have not even cleaned the filter on the oldest 462 yet and its still clean
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: ehp on January 28, 2019, 11:17:05 PM
stihl did a good job on making the 462, if the 500i is better yet there will be no need for a difference saw for a pro person .
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: MG2186 on January 29, 2019, 10:15:00 AM
Ed you ever looked into the 572? You seem to like about any flavor
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: ehp on January 29, 2019, 05:26:05 PM
No I have not and most likely will not unless I get sent one , Im pretty sure I will not be buying one .
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: ehp on January 29, 2019, 05:27:56 PM
we got some 40 below C weather coming starting tonight with wind chill , we got over another foot of snow last night and today , its not to be snowing right now but you can hardly see the road
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: olcowhand on January 29, 2019, 05:42:52 PM
Ed,
You specified -40 degrees C, but what is that in "F"? (Old Engineering joke......).
I much enjoy your intensive testing of these Stihls, as you probably put more wood chips through one in one week than I do in a year (In fact, I think it was one of your posts that convinced me to get my MS461, and that saw is a beast...).
Be careful out there.
Steve
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: ehp on January 29, 2019, 06:03:00 PM
ya LOL, -40C is about the same as -40F or another word is its dam cold , wind is to be 50 mph tomorrow so Im sure bad blowing snow
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: MG2186 on January 29, 2019, 07:58:44 PM
Don't like what the 572 has to offer I take it? Thanks for answering
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: ehp on January 31, 2019, 07:30:55 PM
I run what ever I feel works best for me and my business , if Walmart built a better saw than what I had I would buy it , I do not care what brand or make it is , if it makes my life easier and makes me more money I will own it . The 572 Im sure is a great saw but im very happy with the 462 .


So ran both the 461 and 462 today in -40 c temps . No question the 462 is ALOT smoother on the hands , its lighter and nice to run . Ran the ported 461 today as well . Had not run it much in about a month and all I can say is WOW that thing sure moves ;D
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: MG2186 on January 31, 2019, 08:40:21 PM
Makes sense, how long before you port the 462 after running your ported 461?
How many saws do you have at your access any way
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: FloridaMike on January 31, 2019, 10:59:28 PM
Thanks for the 1st hand reports!  Sound like the MS462 CM is a "keeper."  I think they should start showing up here soon.

I wonder when the 500i will hit Canada (at least six months to a year before the US most likely)?
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: ehp on February 01, 2019, 03:23:59 AM
Im thinking about a year before I see a 500i , just came out with the 462 so it should be a while before the 500i shows up here,

Lets just say there is more than a few saws in my inventory , Dolmar makes a good saw to
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: MG2186 on February 01, 2019, 12:16:16 PM
I can only imagine!
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: ehp on February 01, 2019, 08:10:10 PM
Guy here that cuts a lot of firewood and is mainly a husky guy bought a new 462 a couple days ago and is pretty happy with it
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: ehp on February 02, 2019, 10:09:31 PM
I talked to the stihl dealer I worked at before and they got schooled last week on the new 500i so its coming
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: ehp on February 04, 2019, 04:52:30 PM
newest 462 is a part now waiting its turn on the operating table , It will be a bit before I get it done as got so much other stuff going on, logging, other saws to do but Im hoping in a week or so I should know how much I slowed this 462 down :D
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: ehp on February 05, 2019, 03:13:33 PM
its so wet outside here you cant even think about cutting trees so took a look at the 462 this after noon, Stihl did their home work on this cylinder , port timing is about where you would want it , cylinder plating ends up where the combustion chamber starts so I hope guys seen that before cutting big time on squish band as not a lot of play room before top piston ring has nothing to run on . intake port area is very small but we can change that . Piston is not light but not as heavy as others . So will put piston on a diet
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: ehp on February 19, 2019, 07:31:22 PM
462 arctic is to show up tomorrow I have been told , hope it runs as well as the other 2 normal 462's
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: teakwood on February 20, 2019, 06:33:18 AM
You'll buy a third one?
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: ehp on February 20, 2019, 07:11:13 PM
already got it  and yes its the third one , nice saw to cut timber with . been bucking the trees into logs with the 461's
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: MG2186 on February 21, 2019, 07:47:24 PM
How'd porting go on them, did you achieve big gains like you get from other saws
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: ehp on February 21, 2019, 08:10:38 PM
did you not read on all the other forums  that the 462 does not take well to porting . :D. It's kind of like lots of builders will not port the 365/372 XT's cause that engine platform will not stand up . I have not had a single crank bearing problem nor have guys that log with the ported 365/372 XT's , Bob has had the longest running xt I have ever built and its still going and it has cut for I think now 7 years and he is a logger, takes good care of his stuff. I built him 2 xt's and he put the other on the shelf when this one finally lets go, I use the limited coil and that's huge for a saw running everyday , even on smaller saws I really donot want to see the rpms above 14,000 to 14,500 out of the wood and that's where the limited coil helps a lot , most ported saws will turn a lot higher rpms than 14,000 , lots are near 16500 to 17,000 rpms out of the wood , ya it make sound cool but that's really hard on the rod and crank bearings , same thing with everyone saying a ported saw has to have 225 pounds of compression , that's really hard on crank bearings as well . I like 180 to 185 pounds of compression  
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: joe_indi on February 21, 2019, 09:43:10 PM
Do the 462s come with ventilated clutch drums?
When we got them here for field trials they had them
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: JJinAK on February 22, 2019, 10:50:55 AM
Not trying to hijack the thread, but has anyone heard anything about when the 462 might hit the US?  I'm really surprised we haven't seen it yet.  And nothing that I can find on the StihlUS website.  It's like the worst kept secret ever....

I really want to take a close look at one when (and if) they do arrive, and possibly swap out for my 461.
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: HolmenTree on February 22, 2019, 10:58:41 AM
JJ, already in the US.
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: JJinAK on February 22, 2019, 12:58:44 PM
I guess I'll have to look harder!!

Thanks Willard.

J
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: ehp on February 22, 2019, 04:00:59 PM
no holes in my drum
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: marsolais on February 22, 2019, 10:04:24 PM
Picked up my MS 462CM yesterday in North Carolina. Was going to break her in tomorrow but 80% chance of rain. So that's not going to happen.
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/54366/IMG_8044.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1550890990)
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: ehp on February 23, 2019, 07:17:51 AM
it takes a while to break in , first one took I'm guessing 30 tanks to fully get up on power
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: MG2186 on February 23, 2019, 12:29:39 PM
Well I did read that but you're not on other forums and you seem to have a lot better perspective on saws than most so I was just wondering is all, sorry to ruffle you up. You're the only guy I've ever heard that actually likes x-torque 372/365's and has good results with them
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: ehp on February 23, 2019, 04:41:16 PM
you did not ruffle me at all, the xt is a better saw than the old xp design as far as a work saw . put a 24 inch bar on both and cut the same bigger  hardwood log and the XT will win, biggest thing with the XT is the carb has to set proper to make power , most times the carb is set to lean and yes I said it ,
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: ehp on February 25, 2019, 07:43:51 PM
ran the new 462 arctic today , first 3 or 4 tanks she was a dog and handle bars did not get very warm but by 4 or so this afternoon it started to come around , another 1000 or so more rpms in the wood and handle bars were better , the arctic 462 has a nice thing saying arctic on clutch cover , . Im hoping tomorrow it comes around a lot more
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: olcowhand on February 26, 2019, 06:03:06 PM
Ed,
Is the Oiler on the MS 462 (non Arctic) better than the oiler on the MS 461? I don't think my 461 throws enough oil, and I've been contemplating getting the HO Oiler installed on it.
Based on your reviews above, I may just pull the trigger on the MS 462 with a positive report on the oiler..... 
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: ehp on February 26, 2019, 06:36:07 PM
I use good bar oil and have ran up to a 28 inch bar on the first 462 with no problems , Im running a 24 inch on the arctic . Now with out a doubt the arctic cuts more trees per tank than the first one , first saw would cut 5 trees per tank and the arctic will cut 8 of the same trees , Arctic is not broken in yet and I hope it ends up at 5 trees per tank as the first saw is faster , I have cutting white oak which is the hardest on bar oil I find in my area
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: ehp on February 26, 2019, 06:37:12 PM
462 is ALOT nicer to fall timber with compared to 461
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: overclocking on February 26, 2019, 08:57:11 PM
Quote from: JJinAK on February 22, 2019, 10:50:55 AM
Not trying to hijack the thread, but has anyone heard anything about when the 462 might hit the US?  I'm really surprised we haven't seen it yet.  And nothing that I can find on the StihlUS website.  It's like the worst kept secret ever....

I really want to take a close look at one when (and if) they do arrive, and possibly swap out for my 461.
My local dealer said they just became available in my area on 2/20. I ordered the first one with the 25inch bar, I wanted the arctic, but he said it wasn't listed for him yet. It should be in on Wednesday or Thursday this week.
Coming from a 372xp I'm a little worried whether or not I am going to like the ergonomics of it. Been running Husqvarna for 20 years now.
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: overclocking on February 26, 2019, 09:00:34 PM
Quote from: olcowhand on February 26, 2019, 06:03:06 PM
Ed,
Is the Oiler on the MS 462 (non Arctic) better than the oiler on the MS 461? I don't think my 461 throws enough oil, and I've been contemplating getting the HO Oiler installed on it.
Based on your reviews above, I may just pull the trigger on the MS 462 with a positive report on the oiler.....
I can't speak from experience, only research, but there's a pin on the bottom that you pop in and it will allow the 462 oiler to run at max. From the feedback they gave when doing this it was actually too much oil for them.
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: teakwood on February 27, 2019, 06:50:58 AM
Happy birthday ehp!
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: ehp on February 27, 2019, 06:41:47 PM
Thanks Teakwood, well today the arctic finally started to make some power , been cutting bigger white oak, maple and walnut . I find saws make no power until you start to see the outer muffler cover start to turn blue and today it turned blue . Also the heated handles are starting to produce heat so engine is turning more rpms in the wood
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: starmac on February 27, 2019, 08:44:36 PM
It seems odd that the heat goes up with the rpms, is it because it is just making more electricity?
Is there a way to turn the heat off?
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: ehp on February 27, 2019, 09:00:46 PM
yes there is a switch to turn off and on, more rpms the more power from the generator to heat the handles , its along ways from what the 461's make heat wise but there totally broken in
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: RaulP on March 05, 2019, 06:48:28 AM
It reached to the shelves here in Estonia too but...how could I buy it if the 500i is coming soon? 
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: teakwood on March 07, 2019, 06:27:00 AM
The 500i is too big and heavy for my needs, the 462 it will be for me.
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: Drew62 on March 07, 2019, 02:23:52 PM
The 500i is 0.2kg heavier than the 462-unnoticeable you would think?
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: HolmenTree on March 07, 2019, 03:36:46 PM
The 500i is credited to have the best power to weight ratio on the market.
It's 13.7 lbs PHO which is incredibly light for a 80 cc saw. Many of the latest 60cc saws share that weight bracket.
6.8 hp/13.7 lb.
0.5 hp/lb. (1.2kg/KW)
That's 1 hp for every 2 lbs.
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: ehp on March 07, 2019, 05:26:15 PM
Im very happy with my 462's and to the point I tried falling with one of my 461's the other day and after about 5 trees I was switching back to the 462 arctic . I still cut on the landing with a 461 arctic and they are a great saw . Now in my thought and mind the 461 will out cut the 462 if in bigger hardwood , now I cut 2 hard maple Monday that were over 60 inches on the stump so the 462 will cut big hardwood you just got take your time abit more
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: teakwood on March 08, 2019, 08:10:04 AM
Quote from: Drew62 on March 07, 2019, 02:23:52 PMThe 500i is 0.2kg heavier than the 462-unnoticeable you would think?


That's true, but as my teaktrees get bigger in diam i need to upgrade the saws, go bigger and bigger. I started with the 260 and now us the 361, which i really like, so that is 0.8kg more. manageable because the 361 has a lot of power more. Now, in a 18" tree the 361 bogs down a little and in the next thinning i will upgrade to a 462 which is 0.4kg more, you see where i'm going with that!?
we work in the 27-35C (80-95F) range in steep slopes, with chainsawpants, measuring tape, hatchet and wedges adding more weight. every gram counts

and those are dry weights, fully tanked they are a lot heavier
 
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: JJinAK on March 08, 2019, 03:04:48 PM
Yesterday was the first day where I noticed that the StihlUSA website has updated their product line to include the 462, and they removed the 461.  There is also now a press release.  Still shows no availability on any west coast dealers that I checked, and obviously not in Alaska yet.  But hey, one step closer.....

I was hoping to do a side by side comparison to the 461 before they removed it, but no such luck.  I've heard several mentions of sticker shock, so it will be interesting to see the actual numbers.

JaJ
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: barbender on March 08, 2019, 07:25:16 PM
I was just at a Stihl dealer the other day, a 461 was $1069, which was $240 more than the comparable Huskys. I'm afraid of how much the 462 will be!
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: tacks Y on March 08, 2019, 08:09:14 PM
Bought mine last week for 1100 + tax
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: ehp on March 09, 2019, 01:57:02 AM
I see guys post around $1000 for the 462 in usa coin,
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: WWright on March 09, 2019, 07:00:51 AM
Hi Guys, I bought mine a month ago it was $900 and change plus tax= around a $1000. The dealer had 4 of them,one of my guys went in there last week they said thats the only one they have sold. I was surprised

Will
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: tacks Y on March 09, 2019, 08:13:37 AM
So I got hosed again? I am getting a light weight bar with it, back ordered now. And keeping the one on it, both 24". Going to try it this am, have not run it yet.
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: medved on March 11, 2019, 05:25:28 PM
Boy I wish I could find one of these! I've been following the saga since last year and now I actually need a bigger saw and don't know if I can wait any longer. Out here in WA, my local dealer had never heard of the saw, and had to look it up on the internet while we were chatting. His latest catalog still only has the 461, and he says we typically don't get things for 3-4 months after east coast gets them.

Pretty bummed. I'd prefer not to drop the money on a 461, as I actually like the mtronic and am excited about the weight.
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: lxskllr on March 11, 2019, 05:30:51 PM
Maybe take a short vacation. Find a place that sells the 462, and has something you want to see, then bring the saw back with you.
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: medved on March 11, 2019, 05:37:46 PM
Quote from: lxskllr on March 11, 2019, 05:30:51 PM
Maybe take a short vacation. Find a place that sells the 462, and has something you want to see, then bring the saw back with you.
Love it! A little scared of having a service center that can't do much with the new saw though :)
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: medved on March 13, 2019, 04:53:12 PM
Patience is a virtue, I guess they were waiting for dealers to get in for training sessions. Came in stock today, ordered one to pick up Friday! Having lived in the 30cc and 50cc world, I'm looking forward to giving this saw a try.
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: WWright on March 22, 2019, 06:22:31 AM
 How often do you guys with 462s running them through the auto tune process ? I actually ran mine a couple days before I read the book a learned I was not doing it right.Once I did it by the book it made a big difference. I'm real happy with this saw  

Will
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: tacks Y on March 22, 2019, 07:58:22 AM
So I have to read the book?
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: pgk1 on March 22, 2019, 10:50:22 AM
Quote from: WWright on March 22, 2019, 06:22:31 AM
How often do you guys with 462s running them through the auto tune process ? I actually ran mine a couple days before I read the book a learned I was not doing it right.Once I did it by the book it made a big difference. I'm real happy with this saw  

Will
Will,
I just picked up a 462 last week, what difference did it make? More power, smoother running, higher rpms??
Pete
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: WWright on March 23, 2019, 07:44:14 AM
 I usually just look at the pictures  :P Once I tuned it I gained rpms and power. It only takes a couple minutes to do. It seems like I do it once a day thats why I was asking what other guys were doing.The weather changes every day here this time of year, warm,cold,rain. Just wondering how finicky they are  

Will
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: leeroyjd on March 24, 2019, 06:36:35 AM
Hi @WWright (http://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=38370) !
What were you running before the 462 ?
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: WWright on March 24, 2019, 06:55:25 AM
 Hi @leeroyjd (http://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=18320) Ive been running a 460 since they came out with them. I was impressed with that 440 or 044 you had when you cut logs here. I have loved the 460 been pretty much problem free. What are you running these days?
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: leeroyjd on March 24, 2019, 03:59:49 PM
Been running a 461 @WWright (http://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=38370) . I assume you are pleased with the 462.
Do you notice the weight difference? The numbers sure look good.
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: WWright on March 25, 2019, 06:00:14 AM
 yea Lee the thing I like the best is the weight difference and quick rpm response,handles real nice quick and smooth.They did a good job with filtering I cant believe how clean the air filter stays.
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: ehp on March 26, 2019, 10:04:20 PM
they are a good saw , nice and light but they do take lots of tanks of fuel to get broken in totally . I finished ,y ported 462 but will have to wait till it dries up to run it . Ya it seems pretty good but I want to run it a bunch and seat the rings again
Title: Re: MS462 CM in Canada!
Post by: pgk1 on March 28, 2019, 02:06:34 PM
 
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/54860/IMG_20190328_124222538.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1553796052)
 

I haven't used this 462 enough yet to know if necessary but have always had good luck with Outer Wear pre filters. Fits like a glove, if interested here is the link and part number. TEMP* | 20-2120 | 9081 (https://www.outerwears.com/proddetail.asp?prod=9081)

Pete