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Tracking Blade History

Started by Jjoness4, February 08, 2018, 01:58:47 PM

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Jjoness4

Does anybody have a method for tracking blade history.  I saw a limited amount compared to many on the FF.  I have 60 blades in inventory, 30 new in box, 15 packed and ready for resharp, 10 being accumulated for resharp, 3 not capable of being sharpened (missing too many teeth), 1 broken and one on the saw.  I have thought about a peg board with number cards each representing a blade somewhere in its life cycle.  I am just curious as to how blades fare in their trek toward the scrap metal pile.  Number of resharpenings has to be somewhat important.  Would stenciling a blade be advisable or would it potentially create a weak spot or fatigue point.  Since most blade inventories are worth probably $1000 to $1500 is this worth it.  K
2017 LT40HDD35 , Kubota 4701, Ford 3000, Stihl Farmboss

Chuck White

I track my blade history by marking them with a hand-held engraver!

I engrave a vertical mark on the blade each time I sharpen it, then when there are 4 lines, I put a diagonal across them the next time I sharpen them to indicate the 5th sharpening!

Using this marking system, I have never seen or had any issues!

~Chuck~  Cooks Cat Claw sharpener and single tooth setter.  2018 Chevy Silverado and 2021 Subaru Ascent.
With basic mechanical skills and the ability to read you can maintain a Woodmizer  LT40!

SawyerTed

Quote from: Chuck White on February 08, 2018, 03:06:00 PM
I track my blade history by marking them with a hand-held engraver!

I engrave a vertical mark on the blade each time I sharpen it, then when there are 4 lines, I put a diagonal across them the next time I sharpen them to indicate the 5th sharpening!

Using this marking system, I have never seen or had any issues!

I've not even sawn my first log yet and the OP's question has been on my mind.  The idea of engraving some way crossed my mind as well.  It is good to know that engraving small indicators of blade use/age doesn't cause issues.

Do you engrave the inside or outside of the blade?
Woodmizer LT50, WM BMS 250, WM BMT 250, Kubota MX5100, IH McCormick Farmall 140, Husqvarna 372XP, Husqvarna 455 Rancher

terrifictimbersllc

If you wanted to track blades individually you could engrave a serial number at the weld and keep the blade history in a notebook. 

I can pretty much understand a blade's sharpening history by measuring its width.  I measure this width every time a blade goes on the sharpener.

For example, from gullet to back,  my 4/32 1-1/4" WM double hard blades start out at 1.006 inches give or take. My  7/34 1-1/4" blades start at 0.98 inches.  It's been a while but I think 9/29 blades start out at 1.00 inches.

My sharpenings take off between 0.006-0.010 inches per pass. Half used blades are around 0.95-0.96".   Well-worn blades are down to about 0.90 inches gullet to back.  At 0.92,  I don't respect a blade's potential much longer and the littlest excuse will suffice to put it in the scrap pile.
DJ Hoover, Terrific Timbers LLC,  Mystic CT Woodmizer Million Board Foot Club member. 2019 LT70 Super Wide 55 Yanmar,  LogRite fetching arch, WM BMS250 sharpener/BMT250 setter.  2001 F350 7.3L PSD 6 spd manual ZF 4x4 Crew Cab Long Bed

POSTON WIDEHEAD

I know this may not sound right to some but for me tracking a blade is a waste of time in my business.
My objective is to get good lumber.
I use a blade until it just begins to get dull and then put on a new resharp or brand new blade depending on what I am sawing.
I just keep sending them back to get resharpened or until they break and are replaced with a new blade by Woodmizer.
This is just my system.  :) But tracking a blade does sound interesting......I'm a hunter.  fudd-smiley
The older I get I wish my body could Re-Gen.

Chuck White

ST; I mark them just before I start the sharpener so, they're marked on the outside!

TT; Reading the sn, then looking it up, then measuring it seems like a waste of time to me, why not just mark them and be done with it!

PW; It can make a difference if you sharpen your own or send them out, either way, I would still mark mine so that I would have a good idea of how many bf have been sawn with that particular blade, and how many times it's been sharpened!

I sharpen my own and sometimes I only get one or two sharpenings (I sharpen lightly) per blade, but average 10-12 sharpenings, my most sharpenings per blade was 22!
~Chuck~  Cooks Cat Claw sharpener and single tooth setter.  2018 Chevy Silverado and 2021 Subaru Ascent.
With basic mechanical skills and the ability to read you can maintain a Woodmizer  LT40!

Tom the Sawyer

I cycle 30-45 blades in rotation.  When I get down to 30, I'll open a new box.  I track my blades in a small database.  I engrave a serial number on each blade and track brand, model, board footage, performance issues if any (wave, nails, etc.), sharpenings, hook angle, and set.

When I started out, I used 1 brand and turned them in for sharpening.  When circumstances dictated that I needed to be responsible for my own sharpening and setting, it opened up the possibility of trying different brands and styles of blades. 

There were so many conflicting, and perhaps biased, opinions about which blade was "best", that I figured tracking my blade performance would let me find the "best" for my operation.  I am more comfortable with data than with anecdotes and memory, so a database made sense for me.

I have tried about 8 brands, and both 7° and 10° hook angles.  Kasco 7° smiley_clapping
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If you call and my wife says, "He's sawin logs", I ain't snoring.

dgdrls

I tip my hat to you sawyers who manage 30-45 bands,

I have 4 blades for my Lucas
I'm at the point one needs a re-tip and will get tune just to be certain,
It will probably go out this spring.
One on the mill two on on stand-by.
The carbides tell the story quick and easy.


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Magicman

I have never seen the value to me for tracking blades so I am with PW.  It matters not to me how many times that they get resharpened.  I send them to Wood-Mizer Resharp when they get dull and always get a full box back because they replace any rejected blade at a discount.  I have about 50-60 blades in rotation.
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It's Weird being the Same Age as Old People

Never allow your "need" to make money to exceed your "desire" to provide quality service.....The Magicman

Dave Shepard

WoodMizer blades all have numbers etched in them. A couple feet one way or the other from the weld.
Wood-Mizer LT40HDD51-WR Wireless, Kubota L48, Honda Rincon 650, TJ208 G-S, and a 60"LogRite!

POSTON WIDEHEAD

Quote from: Magicman on February 08, 2018, 08:50:53 PM
I have about 50-60 blades in rotation.

Thats a lot of sawmills.  :D
The older I get I wish my body could Re-Gen.

Magicman

Sometimes I feel like I even rotate.   smiley_dizzy
Knothole Sawmill, LLC     '98 Wood-Mizer LT40SuperHydraulic   WM Million BF Club Member   WM Pro Sawyer Network

It's Weird being the Same Age as Old People

Never allow your "need" to make money to exceed your "desire" to provide quality service.....The Magicman

POSTON WIDEHEAD

The older I get I wish my body could Re-Gen.

JB Griffin

Quote from: Dave Shepard on February 08, 2018, 08:59:42 PM
WoodMizer blades all have numbers etched in them. A couple feet one way or the other from the weld.

Not all of them do. My boss bought 60 2" wm turbo 7s  in the silvertip stock at one time, only one had a serial number.
2000 LT40hyd remote 33hp Kubota with 6gpm hyd unit, 150 Prentice, WM bms250, Suffolk dual tooth setter

Over 3.5million bdft sawn with a Baker Dominator.

SawyerTed

Maybe us novices are making it more complicated than it really is.  It just seems that keeping up with blade condition would be a focus of the operation.  After all the blades are where the action/production/profit revolve. If the blade isn't cutting the operation isn't making lumber or profit. 

It may be easier than we are thinking?
Woodmizer LT50, WM BMS 250, WM BMT 250, Kubota MX5100, IH McCormick Farmall 140, Husqvarna 372XP, Husqvarna 455 Rancher

POSTON WIDEHEAD

Quote from: SawyerTed on February 08, 2018, 09:46:00 PM
Maybe us novices are making it more complicated than it really is.  It just seems that keeping up with blade condition would be a focus of the operation.  After all the blades are where the action/production/profit revolve. If the blade isn't cutting the operation isn't making lumber or profit. 

It may be easier than we are thinking?

the-read my reply #4  :)
The older I get I wish my body could Re-Gen.

terrifictimbersllc

Quote from: Chuck White on February 08, 2018, 06:38:09 PM
TT; Reading the sn, then looking it up, then measuring it seems like a waste of time to me, why not just mark them and be done with it!
Sounded to me like he wanted to track other things than just how many times it was sharpened, and this was just a suggestion as to how to track anything he wanted. I wasn't suggesting he also measure it.
DJ Hoover, Terrific Timbers LLC,  Mystic CT Woodmizer Million Board Foot Club member. 2019 LT70 Super Wide 55 Yanmar,  LogRite fetching arch, WM BMS250 sharpener/BMT250 setter.  2001 F350 7.3L PSD 6 spd manual ZF 4x4 Crew Cab Long Bed

Magicman

Quote from: SawyerTed on February 08, 2018, 09:46:00 PMIf the blade isn't cutting the operation isn't making lumber or profit.
Very true but blades are an expendable item.  If the blade isn't cutting I take it off and put a fresh one on.  If it needs resharpening, I send it back.  If it is damaged in any way, I discard it. 

(If you resharpen then insert your operation where I send it back.)
Knothole Sawmill, LLC     '98 Wood-Mizer LT40SuperHydraulic   WM Million BF Club Member   WM Pro Sawyer Network

It's Weird being the Same Age as Old People

Never allow your "need" to make money to exceed your "desire" to provide quality service.....The Magicman

YellowHammer

Like some others, I don't track mine.  They either cut or they don't. If they don't, I resharpen them.  I will run and resharpen them until they break. I examine the break and see if it's in the gullet or the back edge.  That will tell me how my mill is running and if I got the most of the band.


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Take steps to save steps.

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Kiln drying wood: When the cookies are burned, they're burned, and you can't fix them.

Sawing is fun for the first couple million boards.

Be smarter than the sawdust

Kbeitz

I think I'm one of the few that runs a blade and it stays on the mill till it breaks.
I made a sharpener but I can sharpen while it's on the mill faster than taking it
off and taking it to the machine. Works for me.
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