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What ate my wood?

Started by Brad_bb, March 04, 2015, 09:38:32 PM

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Brad_bb

I opened up a reclaimed beam and found these tracks, probably 5/16ths diameter. It's lone gone whatever did it.  What was it?


 
I also have a couple with these holes and tracks in not only the sapwood, but below in the solid wood.  Is this Powder post beetles?  The tracks are about 7/64 diameter.


 
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hunz

Looks like another case of the braces bill goat, gets my lumber piles when the pastures aren't green.

I'm of no help, although I think powder post beetles make smaller holes.....
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POSTON WIDEHEAD

Brad, what species of wood is that?
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Magicman

I'm ah wonderin' bout da species of da goat??   ???
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Dave Shepard

Second pic looks like PPB to me. I don't know what the first would be.
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POSTON WIDEHEAD

Quote from: Magicman on March 04, 2015, 10:45:34 PM
I'm ah wonderin' bout da species of da goat??   ???

:D Powder Post Goat
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bandmiller2

I'd say carpenter ants wollowed out the boards, little holes are powder post beetles. Frank C.
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Chuck White

I'm guessing PowderPost Beetles, the beams most likely had some bark left on them, and that's where the PPB's start!
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WDH

The first pic looks like termite damage.  The second pic is powderpost beetles.
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Brad_bb

I believe it's Beech.  This beam came out of a grainery further south along with about 9 others I have.  One of the beams was totally toast. In the center it was all eaten out and turned to powder as I milled it.  Carpenter ants in my experience leave a bit more structure in their nest with more clear defined tunnels than what I found here.  One tree service guy thought it was termites on the larger holes and chewed out areas.  We don't really have termites in my area, but this set of beams came from 4 hours south.  Most of the beams had a lot of the smaller tracks/holes.  It looks like the PP beetles had a field day with some of them.  Luckily I only this pile like this.
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DMcCoy

First one could be a borer.  All different kinds - google white worms in firewood, some get amazingly big.
http://extension.oregonstate.edu/sorec/what-are-those-worms-my-firewood
Second one is PPB.


Magicman

 

 
These were inside of a Water Oak.  :) 
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You can catch a stringer of Brim with that bait Magic.  :)
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SW_IOWA_SAWYER

I have some experience with powder post beetles, and although difficult to tell for sure without something to gauge those hole sizes with. I have had PBB in ash and red oak and walnut sapwood, the holes are very very small almost to small to see. These holes look more the size I see in Butternut lumber from time to time. There are many different kinds of bugs I am sure however PBB holes are very small and when you have them they leave a fine powder in piles as the exit. It feels like baby powder in between your fingers.
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Macgyver

I've sawed a few pieces that had been sitting around, and zipped right through a few of the creatures that Magicman is showing...they pretty ugly, but left some neat tunnels. 

I was doing a job in Manhatten last year and a guy had made a really neat table for a gallery out of what he called cypress.  Not sure exactly what it was but the slabs were practically rotten, and were loaded with holes and tunnels about 1/4" in diameter.  Those holes, combined with the fact that he was told it was a submerged cypress that was hundreds of years old made the slabs worth about $5k each...2" thick, 14-18" wide, and 12' long.  They didn't look like anything anything more than rotting pine to me, and practically fell apart if you touched them.  It's funny how wood prices can skyrocket with a story.  You might just have some highly valuable holy wood there!
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LittleJohn

Quote from: Magicman on March 05, 2015, 09:50:14 AM


 
These were inside of a Water Oak.  :)

Looks like LUNCH! ...for a GOAT

CalebL

Looks like flathead borders to me.  They can stay in lumber/logs for a very long time.
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Cypress Man

That definitely looks like carpenter bee trails. You can see the entry holes where they came in.
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redprospector

If you leave a deck of Pine or Fir logs very long around here the borers will get in them. Sometimes there are so many bugs in the deck that you can hear them munching away on the logs.  :(
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Chuck White

In this area, we have Pine Beetles (I don't know the species name) and they will get into the Pine logs if they are left laying around a little too long!

The only way I've seen bugs bother sawn lumber is if there is a little bark left on it!
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DMcCoy

You know Magic at the end of the day sawing you might smell just like a log to those bugs. 

WDH

Are you inferring that MM has bugs?  :D
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DMcCoy

Quote from: WDH on March 06, 2015, 08:03:50 PM
Are you inferring that MM has bugs?  :D
Looks like he's taking a risk to me, smelling like bug-food and all.  How about a few of those in your socks at the end of the day?  If I dropped those on the floor inside the house...oh I hate to think about the noise I would hear.

4x4American

Oh yea I heard em munchin away in some pine here over the summer.  They wizzed me off
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