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Started by motif, October 29, 2010, 02:20:32 PM

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motif

I got two stumps which I cannot cut either with my electric nor gasoline chainsaw :(
After a minute chain is hot and getting dull. What kinda tree was that?
Any ideas how to cut to pieces very hard, dried stump?
small explosive maybe?  ???  :P

beenthere

When cutting stumps, the chain dulls very quickly because of the dirt. That is what I expect you are experiencing. A dull chain won't cut and will get hot.  Getting dull happens first.

Up to you if you use dynamite.  :)

Stump grinders is another option, or a backhoe of some type.
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Jeff

If you are in the U.S., and you think you are going to use dynamite these days, be prepared for a visit from a line of black cars with darkened windows.
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submarinesailor

When I was a young man, you could just go down to the farm store; sign for it and buy it.  I wonder how you could go about it legally now?  Anyone know? 

Bruce

ely

i am pretty certain that the days of regular folks owning and using explosives are over. it is to the point that even i will not own up to having any of the stuff. ::)

your best bet is to lay a bag of charcoal on the stump and lite it. repeat in a few days if it goes out before it is gone.

Buck

Go tell the authorities that you were told that there was contraband buried under them.  They might dig them up looking for the stash.
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Skiddah

As far as I know you need to get a Federal Explosives License from the ATF in order to purchase dynamite or explosives.  Of course you'd need to pass a background check and one of the requirements is that you need explosives for work.  Then you'd need to show your storage space, transportation of explosives, etc. and that it meets all safety requirements.  I guess blasting groups, demolition crews, and the like aren't using regular dynamite anymore, but have switched to plastic explosives.  I've worked around a lot of blasting crews on various right of way projects over the years and witnessed one of the most horrific accidents with explosives.

beenthere

My younger days we would just walk in the farm store and buy dynamite. No questions asked.
Then came the days we could also buy bags of ammonium nitrate fertilizer and some dynamite caps with some fuse. Pour in some diesel fuel and touch it off. Pound for pound would get close to same as dynamite. Blew some huge duck ponds with that fertilizer mix.

Then the no-goods started blowing up buildings and they had to make it illegal to get.
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motif

I have read somewhere that average farmer in US has more chemicals in his garage then Sadam had in Iraq :)
from which you can easily prepare some explosives, but this is not the point. Point is that it would be waste to throw these stump away, I need to figure out how to break them.

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Jeff

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BrandonTN

My wilderness ranger friend with the Forest Service showed me a video he recorded on-the-job the day before when a hired explosives-man was called in to blow up a giant (spruce maybe ?) stump. Got the job done...loud & fast!  ;D My friend spent some time refilling the crater, though.

See how much it costs to hire a specialist....but, please......video record it for posterity!!! 8)
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John Woodworth

Drill multiple holes 1'' or bigger deep into the stump without going clear through and keep them filled with deisel and once fully saturated should burn out.
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DanG

Are you trying to save the stump to use for something, or just trying to get rid of it?  If it is one of the few species of which the stump is useful, it is worthwhile to hire someone with a backhoe to dig it out.  If not, it may be better to just let it rot, or burn it out.
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I would like to see the video of the black cars arriving ....  BOOM it. ;D
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Holmes

Motif are you trying to make fire wood from the stumps?
Think like a farmer.

motif

Quote from: Holmes on October 29, 2010, 10:19:18 PM
Motif are you trying to make fire wood from the stumps?

yes, I gather and cut all the year whatever I can for winter not to have to buy a wood.

thecfarm

We did some blasting here for the house,$600 did it for us about 10 years ago..They had to do it twice.Was not all that exciting,darn it.The first time did not get the rock or more like ledge. The second time they must of put more of a charge in it,because we could see some smoke that time.Kinda quite too.Thought I would get charged for the second blast,but $600 they quoted me on the phone and they stuck to it.They drilled into the ledge to put the chargers in.
Hard way to get wood from a stump,by the way.Be better off taking the brush down to and inch and burning that too.
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motif

Quote from: John Woodworth on October 29, 2010, 09:16:59 PM
Drill multiple holes 1'' or bigger deep into the stump without going clear through and keep them filled with deisel and once fully saturated should burn out.

I thought also about something like that - drill one deep hole, not to clear, fill it with gun powder and light it up...

northwoods1

Quote from: motif on October 30, 2010, 06:19:33 AM
Quote from: John Woodworth on October 29, 2010, 09:16:59 PM
Drill multiple holes 1'' or bigger deep into the stump without going clear through and keep them filled with deisel and once fully saturated should burn out.

I thought also about something like that - drill one deep hole, not to clear, fill it with gun powder and light it up...


Ha ha, with the gunpowder idea nothing much really would happen if you did that. Not to the stump anyway... but depending on what type of gunpowder you try & use you could potentially blow yourself up :D  in such small amounts blackpowder is too slow burning to do anything unless contained and if you used smokeless, well... lets just say, don't even contemplate that.
Still kind of confused as to why your cutting up stumps for firewood is it in short supply there? When my dad was a kid they used to go around and gather up pine knots and parts of old stumps from what they called pitch pine (just white or red pine but from the old growth) and they would use that for the cookstove. You really had something if the woodbox was full of that stuff it put out a lot of heat. I remember my dad telling me about clearing the land on the farm where I grew up, was probably in the late 40s' that he was doing it. Didn't take much to get dynamite back then. He would pull the hay rack out to the field and would get under that for cover when the blast was going off. One morning he was out blasting stumps and had doen several large ones. At noon he came into the house for lunch and as he was eating the nieghbor came driving up the driveway and asked him to come down by his house for a minute so he did. Laying right outside the nieghbors front door was the last stump he blasted, neighbor lived quite a ways from where the stump had previously been situated  :o I don't think he knew what he was doing exactly even though he did manage to get the stumps out. As someone else pointed out if you know what your doing it doesn't take much.


isawlogs

Hue , Northwoods .. it don't take much either if ya don't know what your doing, and I strongly beleive this may be the case here with our friend  :P  ;)
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timberfaller390

In Georgia it is still legal to use explosives for agriculture. The Official Code of Georgia states "Explosives may be used without liscense for agriculture purposes such as land clearing, trenching, destruction of bever dams and etc. provided the charge does not exceed 200 pounds and the blasting operation is done on land owned by the blaster and is remote from ajoining property." You are supposed to notify the local sherriff and fire dept. The trick is none of the powder companies will sell you the powder without a liscense. My best advise to you is if you don't know whtat your doing when it comes to powder DON'T DO IT!!! There are easier ways to get firewood and you really don't want your family to have to bury whatever parts of you they can find.
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northwoods1

Quote from: timberfaller390 on October 30, 2010, 10:52:43 PM
The trick is none of the powder companies will sell you the powder without a liscense. My best advise to you is if you don't know whtat your doing when it comes to powder DON'T DO IT!!!

Not to try and encourage the idea of stump blasting with balckpowder, but here in WI, and I think it is across the U.S., anyone can have up to #50 of blackpowder and I imagine that would be enough to blast just about any stump. Lots of guys I know have cannons and you ever seen an anvil shoot?

timberfaller390

I was into civil war reenacting for quiet a few years. When I said powder I wasn't refering to black powder. Most any kind of explosive is refered to as powder. Also there are different grades of black powder and we used 1f or 2 f in our cannon. blasting grade black powder is courser than 1f.
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okie

Not to add fuel to the fire so to speak, but I believe there is a discussion on here somewhere about tannerite. May be a viable option if you study enough. ???

Found it.   https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php/topic,36709.0.html
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