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BargeMonkey

   Im just wondering what other guys in the northeast are getting for a cord of seasoned wood. Ive heard in NH-VT its over 275-300 in spots, just wanting to get a better idea.

Maine logger88

Here in Maine I'm getting 250 but I've heard of others getting more
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luvmexfood

Here in SW VA. I saw it listed a couple places on CL for $120 a cord. Wouldn't cut it for that.
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rick f

around here we are getting $225 green and goes for $250 seasoned if we have any left.
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Woodboogah

I dont sell cut split delivered wood but the going rate in SE NH is 250-280 seasoned.
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thecfarm

Maine logger88 is right. Buy it in June for 200,maybe 180.Put it in woodshed,come Dec.it's seasoned. Save 50-70 a cord.
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BargeMonkey

 90% of my customers arent smart enough or have funds enough to buy ahead. I deal with the state heating program and I have SMASHED thru a pile of wood this year. Yeah the price is about the same as here, problem is to stay ahead of it, try cutting 5-700 cord in your "part time".. lol

Mountain_d

I am in the Pembroke area Ontario and getting $275 delivered for green wood delivered In spring and $290 delivered for seasoned wood delivered in fall. Beech and maple.
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Firewoodjoe

$195 here. Needs to be at least $50 more in my opinion.

SwampDonkey

BargeMonkey, if they don't have it now, they won't have it later. It's called saving up knowing that you need wood every year. Waiting until the day before is expensive and foolish. I get firewood delivered a lot cheaper up here and I buy ahead. Put it away inside, bone dry by the time I need it. Don't need anything but a couple sheets of newspaper to start it if I let it out. The neighbors just burnt their shop down burning green stuff off the stump. I have been seeing them wading snow the last few weeks with the tractor and return with a bucket of green wood each time. I was wondering how long this would last. Last summer they tore down a bunch of outbuildings that were falling down around them, all linked together and right beside that OWB. And quite near the house they were. Good thing they cleaned that mess up or it could have been far worst.
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Raider Bill

I'm assuming that is for a full cord and not a rick?

$60 a rick in Tenn delivered and stacked 2 rick min.

$125 rick here in Florida delivered.
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$100 - $150 per standard cord in my town delivered.  In Virginia, it is law that to advertise the sale of a cord of wood, it must be a standard cord; 4 feet x 4 feet x 8 feet.

enigmaT120

Quote from: Firewoodjoe on January 07, 2014, 05:13:38 AM
$195 here. Needs to be at least $50 more in my opinion.

It's about that around here, for Douglas Fir.  More for hardwood, but not a lot more.  I've never sold any, I just cut about 5 cords a year for myself.  Pre-commercial thinning.
Ed Miller
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thecfarm

enigmaT120,I know things are different where you are. Here in Maine you could not give softwood away to burn. Even hemlock nobody wants to burn. That will coal down a little and can control it better than white pine.
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beenthere

Just heard that Propane has just taken about a 20% jump in price, likely due to the cold snap and an opportune time to rake in some big bucks on refills.

Might reflect itself in increased price for seasoned firewood along with an increase in firewood demand.
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GRANITEstateMP

I get $205 cord green, seasoned / dry WAS $235 a cord, haven't had any in months!  A local fella has Kiln dry wood and that is going for $320 a cord delivered.
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luvmexfood

Down here I can't give any wood away. If they would cut laps and cull trunks to get them out of way. Don't even have to pile the brush. And I'm talking oak, hickory, maple, walnut.
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BargeMonkey

 I ran short a few years ago and bought 16 baskets I could slide into my kiln or set inside the heated mill building to get it under 20 % MC. There used to be alot of guys around selling 20-50 cord a year, well they have went the way of the dinosaur.  Im gone 6 months out of the year on the boat, so to keep 200-400 cord on hand can be a little hard. The problem is by the time you figure in the cost, the equipment and insurance you arent left with much.

Southside

Holy ol' bald headed, throw me down the stairs my hat, with the price like that me gonna skip the second week of deer camp and cut some fire wood, I heard a guy on the swap show on the radio today with a garage for sale, I am gonna call that guy and buy that garage, I move it to the camp with the rusty ol' Chevrolet, it make a good wood shed that garage.   :D
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SwampDonkey

In my area, hardwood pulp prices keep the firewood prices in line.
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ReggieT

Quote from: SwampDonkey on January 07, 2014, 05:34:03 AM
BargeMonkey, if they don't have it now, they won't have it later. It's called saving up knowing that you need wood every year. Waiting until the day before is expensive and foolish. I get firewood delivered a lot cheaper up here and I buy ahead. Put it away inside, bone dry by the time I need it. Don't need anything but a couple sheets of newspaper to start it if I let it out. The neighbors just burnt their shop down burning green stuff off the stump. I have been seeing them wading snow the last few weeks with the tractor and return with a bucket of green wood each time. I was wondering how long this would last. Last summer they tore down a bunch of outbuildings that were falling down around them, all linked together and right beside that OWB. And quite near the house they were. Good thing they cleaned that mess up or it could have been far worst.

Hey Swamp...how did they catch the shop on fire & burn it down with green wood?
I always heard that green had so much moisture...that all it did was mostly hiss and you use all your fire just trying to get it to burn...

Just curious...looks like I've got a neighbor or two who are doing the same thing! :o
Burning tons of willow & box elder...and hour or two after felling!!!

Thanks
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KyLogger

We have heated with wood my whole life, and I would burn nothing but green wood! Hardwood granted, but green none the less. I have work hand who keeps firewood cut and split on the landing (I pull out cull logs, paperwood size stuff, and cutoffs) for him to work up. Load it up once a week and take it home, burn, repeat. It burns hotter, and it will creosote up a bit more than seasoned wood, but we will burn half as much wood compared to seasoned. Just my observations...

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thecfarm

Swampdonkey said they had an OWB. When I tried that green stuff,both hardwood and soft wood,I felt I burned twice as much wood. I maybe a little high on the twice,but I still think it takes more green wood than even dead wood.
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KyLogger

Just my observations, we have an Surflame OWB for the house, and a wood stove in the shop. The green wood, once it gets really burning burns hotter and doesn't want to smuther down as much with the damper.
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beenthere

Ky
QuoteIt burns hotter, and it will creosote up a bit more than seasoned wood, but we will burn half as much wood compared to seasoned. Just my observations...

That doesn't calculate out very well.

Keep on observing..  ;D
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ga jones

120 to 175 here. It'll remain there as long as coal stays at 165 a ton .coal is still big here.
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beenthere

Curious, how is the coal marketed there?  As stoker coal, where an auger is used to move it to the fire pot?

Or in some other form?

I recall the 50's when I had to fill the stoker hopper with coal. Recall I liked the oily smell of the coal in the coal bin.
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SwampDonkey

Creasote build-up, flu caught on fire. Flames and wind equals flame thrower. I didn't think that would be hard to reason out. ;D And the OWB it seems wasn't lost. I thought they had everything heated with the OWB, but maybe they had a separate stove in the shop. But I see the OWB is still working. It's a wonder it didn't burn up though, right beside the shop. And the smoke was not unusual for them. That thing smokes a lot, I have posted their smoke clouds on here before.

I think someone's math is a little shotty here though on there green wood consumption. There is no heat in water, so consider the green volume in hard maple or oak compared to 12-16 % MC of wood. Around 15 % of the volume is water when green, so 5-8% difference in volume due to water, plus the heat required to get the extra water out. Plus there is a lot more weight from water in green wood since wood will hold water in voids of the wood that don't change it's volume. And that water has to be gotten rid of with heat to. The neighbors burn 3 or 4 times as much wood as I do to heat their house. Used to be they had the greenhouse on the OWB to, but 32 cords compared to 8 or 9 I burn between my house and shop is quite a huge difference. You ain't convincing this old boy to burn no green wood. We'll see how much green wood you start chuck'n in the stove when it's -20 below or colder to keep from freezing to death. :D 10-20 F ain't nothing. A damper closed on green wood is a recipie for a fire.
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KyLogger

Shoddy math! Ha! Ok, well you may have got me there. Math never was my strong suit :D......And I do not measure the amount of wood I burn on a yearly basis, I have got a lot better things to do than count sticks of wood. The burning of green wood around here is very common. Some of the old timers will burn nothing but. One of the logging "legends" around here who is in his late 70's now will burn absolutely nothing but green hickory! For a place where electric did not become widely available until the 1960's and not common until the late 60's early 70's and wood was used for a cooking and heat source, and still is in probably over a third of the residences in the county, we have almost no house fires due to wood stove related accidents. I mean sure you have the occasional idiot who has the couch too close to the stove but I am talking "tending" or creosote type fires.

You all use what works for you and us backward @$& "Hillbillys" will use what werks fer usuns! ;)

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SwampDonkey

Realize that keeping that flu hot enough in extreme cold versus what we call mild weather in KY standards can be a challenge. A lot of fires up here occur from a dampened down stove of less than ideal wood in mild spells. And the flu fires in houses most often occur up in unheated space of an attic. Your a lot younger than I am. I've lived in uninsulated houses ( people never insulated places until the 70's or what was there was no thicker than a wool blanket), had kitchen wood burning cook stoves, lugged water and used out house facilities. KY life style was no more or less than right up here young fellow. And there a few that practice your wood burning methods, but that only works for awhile up here. Besides that, I doubt your statistics very muchly. ;D
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Piston

Quote from: KyLogger on January 07, 2014, 09:50:54 PM
We have heated with wood my whole life, and I would burn nothing but green wood! Hardwood granted, but green none the less. I have work hand who keeps firewood cut and split on the landing (I pull out cull logs, paperwood size stuff, and cutoffs) for him to work up. Load it up once a week and take it home, burn, repeat. It burns hotter, and it will creosote up a bit more than seasoned wood, but we will burn half as much wood compared to seasoned. Just my observations...

Tom

According to the laws of thermodynamics, that is physically impossible.  I'm not doubting that your wood lasts longer, as it takes a long time to burn the moisture out of the wood, but it's not "opinion" or observation that proves you can not get more BTU's out of green wood than seasoned. 

Perhaps you just mean that you burn a lot less wood, but at the same time get a lot less heat out of it as well?  I'm not doubting what your saying, I think it just came out wrong the way you stated it. 

It almost sounds like you mean that heating with wet wood will give you more heat and last longer than heating with dry wood.   :D  I'm sure it's just a misunderstanding that's all.
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Sawyerfortyish

The firewood business stinks here in NJ. Nobody is callin.Everyone has wood everywhere after superstorm sandy. seen adds for 150delivered and stacked. I have not advertised wood for sale in 20 yrs now i am. When someone calls and i dont pickup i have only a few minuets to respond or they get someone else its that fast. Log length wood is being offered to me by trailer loads for 350 a load if i say bring it in Ill get burried it aint selling. I hauled 10 tri axle loads in myself im tryin to pay for yet. At least now its cold so everyones wood pile is disappearing. startin to get some calls now. back in november when i should have had at least 50 cords ordered i did 6 for the whole month.I havent changed my price for wood im at 180 and have been for 3 yrs now and i dont stack period. Ive lost some business because of that but now ive got some time to do the things i enjoy and never have time. went blackpowder huntin and going to do some ice fishin

Alexanderthelate

I'm going to add to what Kylogger said, we burn a combination of green and dry, most old timers would sooner have green then dry around here. The green wood makes the fire last longer so we burn less wood and don't get roasted out. We normally get most of our wood cut in the spring and go for a load or two every so many months in the winter so we have plenty of green on hand.

I've never seen seasoned firewood for sale. A cord of firewood goes for $150 delivered. Pickup truck loads go for around $75-100 delivered. You can also buy a cord of wood for $90 from a local roadbuilding company which they brow up in their yard for you, uncut. My father bought a few cord from them last fall, I couldn't believe the size of the wood, most of it was saw log material  :-\

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enigmaT120

Quote from: thecfarm on January 07, 2014, 12:42:47 PM
enigmaT120,I know things are different where you are. Here in Maine you could not give softwood away to burn. Even hemlock nobody wants to burn. That will coal down a little and can control it better than white pine.

I don't know how to compare, but I got the idea that Douglas Fir is a pretty hard soft wood, whilst our alder and bigleaf maple are fairly soft hardwoods.  I burn all three, but I have a lot more fir than I do the other two.  Sometimes I'll have a Pacific Madrona tree fall down, and I'll cut it up and burn it.  Never enough to have an opinion on how it burns.

I'm getting a bunch of wild cherry trees volunteering in some areas, and I'm encouraging them.  If I can't find a market for the logs eventually, I know I like cherry wood for firewood.  And the blooms are pretty in the spring.
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Southside

Enigma,

We moved to Virginia from Lake County, OR and years ago lived in Maine.  Things are different in all three areas.  We would burn some poplar in Maine as a fire starter - it just burned too hot and fast, never would have dared burn fir, pine, or hemlock.  Out west, everybody burns the Doug Fir, my father-in-law was visiting here from OR this fall and asked me why I was dragging pine tops back into the skidder trails and not making them into fire wood - he could not believe that it was not burned over this way, he asked me what the difference is and I honestly do not have an answer other than "because".
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Firewoodjoe

I burn green and I think u get more out of it rather than dry having flames blowing out the stack faster than the water and pump can circulate to transfer the heat my opinion. And I'm getting $180 a cord and it's not enough. I've been putting income taxes together and wow! I'm not making anything! I don't even want to do it next year!

ga jones

Well anthracite coal is sized like this. stove nut pea rice for house coal. stoker uses rice. Hand fired could be any of the others. There's mines all over the i81 corridor from Harrisburg to Scranton.
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John Mc

I've heard and read that depending on the species of wood burned, you can lose up to 40% of the BTUs by burning green wood as opposed to properly seasoned wood. (I wish I could find those references now.) It takes a lot of heat to warm up all that water.  It takes a huge amount of heat to vaporize that water (Google "latent heat of vaporization").  That's heat that could otherwise be heating your home.

Part of the preference for green wood in some areas could have something to do with the type of stove you are burning it in and the home you are heating.  I could see that in an old steel or iron stove without a lot of firebrick inside, a slower-burning green-wood fire might give you more even heat over a longer period of time - especially if you are burning some of the species that would otherwise tend to burn hot and fast. Burning seasoned wood in one of those, and burning it efficiently (i.e. not smothering the fire with the damper) might drive you out of the room when it's burning hot. A house that was not as well insulated might also be a factor here.

In this case, getting the max efficiency out of the wood may not be the goal -- more even heat and comfort (especially in a house that may not be as well sealed and insulated) may be what they are after.

I'm just guessing here... I've got a tight house heated primarily by a 60,000 BTU Hearthstone woodstove (the soapstone really helps even out the heat)
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SwampDonkey

A dampened fire burning green wood is a dance with the fire devil. Anyone local here that has done it has had many flu fires or just burned the place down. Even a lot of the local certified chimney sweeps will tell ya whose been burning green and whose place was almost lost, and sometimes whose flu they had to replace. I've seen a lot of people get wood late and green and burn an old house down they just moved into.

I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything because people have to make up their minds. I don't care what others do.  ;D
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Alcranb

I get $225 for 128 cu. ft. which is how one can legally advertise firewood for sale in Mass. All my sales are word of mouth but if you really want to get depressed go on CL and see what some folks are willing to give wood away.
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SwampDonkey

Probably have the clean the yard to get it though. ;D
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SliverPicker

Heating your house (with ANY fuel) is a function units of heat per unit of time.  SO if burning your green wood puts out enough heat in a short enough time span to keep your house at whatever temp you desire your house to be then green wood burning will work for you.  In some other situation green wood might not do the trick.  Its pure physics not green is superior to "seasoned" or vice versa.
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Alexanderthelate

We can cook our selves alive some days with dry wood. Particularly in winter when there is a fair bit of snow on the ground. (insulation). Green wood keeps the place comfortable and spares the wood along.

John Mc

I do agree that "A dampened fire burning green wood is a dance with the fire devil. (What a great way of phrasing it.)

I also know that burning appropriately dry wood is far more efficient than burning green.

Those are two reasons why I burn dry wood.

My earlier post was not meant to advocate for burning green wood. I was just hypothesizing about why some folks might prefer to burn it, and the different circumstance which might make it SEEM more desirable.

A good friend who really knows his stuff about wood combustion splits all the firewood for his wood stove down to the point that most folks would consider to be kindling. His reasoning (and he has the science to back this up) is that smaller pieces burn more efficiently, so more of the BTUs get used to heat your house. He's had some influence on me, and I now split a lot smaller than I used to. However, I do understand that maximum efficiency is not always someone's number one goal - having my stove fire last through the night and be ready to roll first thing in the morning is one reason that last load of the evening gets loaded with bigger chunks, rather than stuffed full of smaller ones.  Greener wood might accomplish the same thing, but I don't want to risk the creosote build up.
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SwampDonkey

My previous post was not a response post John.

But anyway, I only load my forced air furnace once every 6-7 hours on normal winter days. It will consist most of the time of two small pieces of hardwood like your kindling and a couple slabs on top. In severe cold it can be 2 hrs less. I do not need fire and fan running all the time to be toasty warm. I know some people with better insulated houses up here that burn even half what I do because they don't need fire all the time. No fire at night at all. Plus they don't have two story with all the extra windows I have. Newspaper will light my wood like cedar. If green I would need cedar kindling. I've got some cedar for kindling but have not even used it up in 20 years and there is only a wheel barrow full down there. I clean pipes once a month and all there is a powdery soot, not glassy creosote. Clean the flu in the fall and mid winter, get some creosote in the unheated attic section, which would be far worse with green wood. I get a 3 gallon pale full from the clean out and maybe half another for 10 months of fires Sept-May. Down in the shop 1-1/2 cord does me all winter, small space. And no where near a gallon of stuff cleaned from the flu and pipes. It's an ancient stove, so lots of air...and heat. The shop never freezes I'll tell ya that. :D Tonight it is mild, I put wood in at 7 pm and won't put no more in until 6 tomorrow. Pretty darn good for two slabs of wood. ;D
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John Mc

I guess we're really drifting off the OP's original intent for this thread anyway...
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CRThomas

Quote from: BargeMonkey on January 05, 2014, 11:35:34 PM
   Im just wondering what other guys in the northeast are getting for a cord of seasoned wood. Ive heard in NH-VT its over 275-300 in spots, just wanting to get a better idea.
In Southern IL I get $250.00 for a rank of firewood bundled and I only sell Ash. When the big freeze went thru a rank of firewood green went from $45.00 a rank to a $100.00 a rank. They about drove me nuts calling wanting firewood but I tell them I don't sell bulk firewood. Now the price is back to $60.00 a rank. I sell in a town of about 35.000 people keep me as busy as I want to be.

CRThomas

Quote from: SwampDonkey on January 07, 2014, 11:46:49 PM
Creasote build-up, flu caught on fire. Flames and wind equals flame thrower. I didn't think that would be hard to reason out. ;D And the OWB it seems wasn't lost. I thought they had everything heated with the OWB, but maybe they had a separate stove in the shop. But I see the OWB is still working. It's a wonder it didn't burn up though, right beside the shop. And the smoke was not unusual for them. That thing smokes a lot, I have posted their smoke clouds on here before.

I think someone's math is a little shotty here though on there green wood consumption. There is no heat in water, so consider the green volume in hard maple or oak compared to 12-16 % MC of wood. Around 15 % of the volume is water when green, so 5-8% difference in volume due to water, plus the heat required to get the extra water out. Plus there is a lot more weight from water in green wood since wood will hold water in voids of the wood that don't change it's volume. And that water has to be gotten rid of with heat to. The neighbors burn 3 or 4 times as much wood as I do to heat their house. Used to be they had the greenhouse on the OWB to, but 32 cords compared to 8 or 9 I burn between my house and shop is quite a huge difference. You ain't convincing this old boy to burn no green wood. We'll see how much green wood you start chuck'n in the stove when it's -20 below or colder to keep from freezing to death. :D 10-20 F ain't nothing. A damper closed on green wood is a recipie for a fire.
In my area they urn tire batterys any thing they can get thru the door. They don't buy firewood they barrow it at night.

SwampDonkey

How many car batteries and old tires do people out there have in the back yard to burn? :D
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KyLogger

He must live in E. Ky too! Guys I am no physicist, I do not know the exact BTU (British Thermal Unit..Ain't I smart ;D ) content of each hardwood species, I know which ones burn the best for my application. I do not monitor moisture content (that's for hay) I did not mean to convey that green wood was more efficient than seasoned (that's a no brainer) We generally have mild winters, 30's-40's common with the occasional snap of below 20 and into the single digits on occasion. I have burned "seasoned" wood before and it does produce excellent heat, too much heat usually. The green wood (and by green I mean cut and split for a couple weeks to a couple months) "seems" to  provide a longer lasting more regulated heat. I do not appreciate the remarks about my age being a factor in this, that is totally irrelevant. I appreciate the wisdom that experience has to offer but I am by no means a young idiot either (not saying that's what you called me) And if you doubt my statistics on the "ruralness" of this area and the percentage (granted it was an estimation) of homes that heat with wood solely or as a supplemental heat source, you have an open invitation any time. ;D

I don't like to getting into #*&&$^# contests and hope I have not ruffled any feathers too much.

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SwampDonkey

If it was in the 40's here all winter I'd only burn about 3 cords. It's been in the 30-40's here for 4 days and I haven't burnt even a wheel barrel load of dry seasoned wood. :D ;)

As far as age, that is very much a factor in what I said, because you never lived back then. Just as I never lived back in the 1920's. Capiche? ;)
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Piston

Quote from: Alcranb on January 11, 2014, 01:52:48 PM
I get $225 for 128 cu. ft. which is how one can legally advertise firewood for sale in Mass. All my sales are word of mouth but if you really want to get depressed go on CL and see what some folks are willing to give wood away.

Alcran,
Tell me about it  >:(
I did just that last week, I couldn't believe how cheap people are selling firewood.  Even the "professionals" as they claim, are selling wood for 200 a cord.  However, I did see an add that advertised the wood as "Seasoned firewood" in log length form, but they "cut and split" as they go.  I don't know how they get away with advertising that as seasoned. 


The people giving it away for so cheap won't be around that long. 
-Matt
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Alcranb

Piston, they probably get away with it the same way they get away with advertising it as a "cord" Mass. General Law ch. 94, sec. 298 is very specific, however, I'll bet every ad you read said "cord"
IMHO I agree those selling cheap,won't last, however, they get replaced by others so damage done :(
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Piston

Quote from: Alcranb on January 15, 2014, 07:13:10 AM
Piston, they probably get away with it the same way they get away with advertising it as a "cord" Mass. General Law ch. 94, sec. 298 is very specific, however, I'll bet every ad you read said "cord"
IMHO I agree those selling cheap,won't last, however, they get replaced by others so damage done :(

Your exactly right!  Every time I see it advertised as a cord, it makes me skeptical that they are legit or not.  Most are probably backyard firewood folks that sell 5 or 10 cord a year. 
-Matt
"What the Lion is to the Cat the Mastiff is to the Dog, the noblest of the family; he stands alone, and all others sink before him. His courage does not exceed his temper and generosity, and in attachment he equals the kindest of his race."

enigmaT120

I don't understand what this means:  "However, I did see an add that advertised the wood as "Seasoned firewood" in log length form, but they "cut and split" as they go."

It would be easy enough to measure out a cord of logs, especially if they were 8 or 16 feet long.  If you cut and split a cord of logs for me, I would expect more than a cord of finished firewood.

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Corley5

A cord of 100" (2X8X8) firewood will not process out to 128 cubic feet of 16" firewood.  It'll average 2.5 16" face cords.  Sometimes more sometimes less.
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Firewoodjoe

Corley I'm so glad u think that also. There's so many that think because it's 100" that you'll get 6 16" rows 4x4. But 16" pieces stack a hole lot tighter then 100". And "seasoned" wood around here is stained. There not advertising as "dry"!

SwampDonkey

There's actually different conversions for lengths and species groups (softwoods/hardwoods) when figuring cords. We have tree length tables, same as a cruise volume table (except measured on the but as it is scaled in piles not standing tree), then there is 8' conversions and so on. If you go on weight of green wood for instance and not seasoned you come pretty close to 2.5 metric tonne of hard maple per cord. I've bought log truck loads of tree length logs for firewood and when bucked up I always get a good solid 12 cords when stacked and slightly more on the average. These loads are off self loader trucks. Anyone moving a lot of wood knows what their truck holds quite religiously. ;D
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BargeMonkey

 We refuse to sell log length wood just for the fact you can never be exact, and "oh you said 8 cord and it was 7-2/3" is always what you will hear. Years ago alot of guys peddled wood off the truck, people figured they where getting such a deal, but with pulp prices where they are it doesnt pay to deal with Joe-Blow homeowner, backing across lawns and unloading near building and wires. Nope. Not me.

SwampDonkey

It's certainly not for everyone. But I never had a complaint, and I was buying. Logger /trucker always left the yard with his pay in hand. :) I have a yard here that can be unloaded away from wires. But if I was a trucker I would be selective with the locations to. ;D  I know lots of folks that buy it 8 foot or treelength, folks have for years around here. I no longer do, I just buy it all processed. One less bunch of handling and finding the time to get it done during the busiest time of the year. Pulp prices here set the base for firewood prices. A short haul for the same money is a lot better than 100 miles away and all the extra fuel costs. Why would I pay more for a green firewood log than a pulp log, I won't. The mill won't neither. If it's dried out and not fresh the mill won't even buy it around here. Just say'n.
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1 Thessalonians 5:21

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Piston

Quote from: enigmaT120 on January 15, 2014, 01:10:59 PM
I don't understand what this means:  "However, I did see an add that advertised the wood as "Seasoned firewood" in log length form, but they "cut and split" as they go."

It would be easy enough to measure out a cord of logs, especially if they were 8 or 16 feet long.  If you cut and split a cord of logs for me, I would expect more than a cord of finished firewood.

I think what the ad was saying, that I was referring to, was that they were selling seasoned firewood.  Which, implies that the wood is seasoned one year according to their ad, however, seasoned "logs" are a lot different than seasoned "firewood". 

Sort of like a white lie the way they were describing it. 
-Matt
"What the Lion is to the Cat the Mastiff is to the Dog, the noblest of the family; he stands alone, and all others sink before him. His courage does not exceed his temper and generosity, and in attachment he equals the kindest of his race."

Corley5

  Northern hardwoods such as maple and beech, not oak, will season very well over the course of a year in log form if stacked on runners off the ground in an area with sun and good air flow.  If it's stacked somewhere with stagnant air and shade, not so well.
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