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Started by parrisw, March 16, 2006, 12:24:15 AM

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parrisw

Whats the advantage of running a skip tooth chain, I have a 288xp husky with a 28" bar at the moment, with a standard low kick chain, non skip.  Will it cut better faster with a skip tooth?

Thanks

Will

Ianab

Skip tooth chains come into their own when you are running a really long bar.
They give you less teeth in the cut, so you dont need as much power, and have more space to clear the chips produced from by the long cut.
Your saw and bar combo is pretty sensible, I dont think skip chain would give you any advantage.
If you wanted to hang a much longer bar off your saw, then skip chain would be the way to go.

Cheers

Ian
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parrisw

Thanks, I also have a Larger bar for it, a 37" and non skip chain, although I don't use it very often, most things I cut the 28" is just fine.

Thanks

Will

barbender

  From what I've read, any bar 24" or longer will benefit from a skip tooth chain. Is your chain acually safety chain or does it just have bumper drive links? If you go to skip chain from a safety chain you better be ready to cut some wood  :).  I actually picked up a 24" skip for my 2171 that I'll be using for the first time today, I'll let you know how it cuts.
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parrisw

Ya let me know, I really dont know excatly what chain I got, the guy just made it up for me.  I ve never really bothered to learn much about saws before, until I got my newer saw.  So far its impressive how it is right now.  POWER compared to my old one. ;D ;D ;D

leweee

Will..... check out this chain
                                            http://www.oregonchain.com/pdf/chain/72LG_FB_0403.pdf

it will make that walkerized Husky 288xp sit up & take notice :o


Full comp. will cut faster than skip if you have the power(walkerized)  ;D

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fishhuntcutwood

I run full skip on most of my stuff, most of the time.  I usually run 24"+.  Full skip just makes sense for all the reasons Ian mentioned.  He's spot on.

And yeah, if you're running safety chain, ditch it and get full skip or full comp, it doesn't matter, you'll be cuttig circles around your old self!

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Alta

My advice would be to buy a loop and do your own side by side comparison - its cheap, you'll have another spare chain, and you'll find out how skip tooth really cuts. Then post your results here   ;D

parrisw

Cool thanks guys, the guys I cut with all the time are already annoyed at me cause I can outcut them 2:1 since I got this walkerized 288xp, now they will be really annoyed when I outcut them 3 or 4:1 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

parrisw

"leweee" thanks for that link, so if I tell, the guy at the shop I want a oregon chain 73LG/JG thats all I need to know??  its 3/8 .o58 chain I need.

Thanks 

Will

leweee

Will.... 73LG is the( standard) or full comp. version
           73JG is the (full skip)version

I would try the 73LG on the 28" bar & 73JG on the 37". ;D
just another beaver with a chainsaw &  it's never so bad that it couldn't get worse.

rebocardo

I notice a big difference in oak with full skip, so all my 28" chain is either full skip or semi-skip. I usually get the 30RCS from Baileys, though I try other stuff too.

parrisw

So the 73lg is non skip version??  or semi skip.  Sorry for the dumb questions

leweee

Will.... here is a link that might help

BTW there are no dumb Questions ;D

http://www.madsens1.com/Oregon2.htm

yes 73LG is standard or full compliment.....cutter , tie strap, cutter, tie strap, etc.
      73JP is full skip.....cutter ,2 tie straps, cutter, 2 tie straps, etc.

Oregon chain loop# 73LG92E for your 28" bar.
(super guard)Tm 3/8 pitch, full comp., 92 drive links, .058 gauge.

Oregon chain loop# 73JG119E for your 37" bar
(super gaurd)Tm 3/8 pitch, full skip, 119 drive links, .058 gauge,

Hope that helps ;D
just another beaver with a chainsaw &  it's never so bad that it couldn't get worse.

parrisw

Yes that helps immensly.  Thanks allot.

Will

barbender

  I finally got to run my Jred 2171 with a 24" bar and skip chain (Oregon 73JP)  I was using it cutting aspen on the landing, and it cut really nice, probably a little faster than full comp, and it is a lot faster to sharpen since there aren't as many teeth. I'm happy with it.
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SawTroll

Quote from: fishhuntcutwood on March 16, 2006, 01:29:49 PM
... And yeah, if you're running safety chain, ditch it and get full skip or full comp, it doesn't matter, you'll be cuttig circles around your old self!
...
What different people refer to as "safety" chain varies a lot.

The ones that should be ditched are only those with bumper tie straps between the cutters.

The ones with just a small ramp on the driver, directly in front of the raker, (Oregon LP, BP, VP etc - and probably also Stihl RSC3) are usually fully servicable chains (I don't quite know about the Carlton/WP variants, as both the ramps and the rakers look larger to me than on the Oregons). The combined size of the ramps and rakers are not much larger than the rakers alone on chains like LG and RS/RSC.
Some of them may even cut better than their "non-safety" counterparts  when bore cutting, because the rakers themselves are smaller and doesn't hit the wood in the same way at the nose of the bar..... 
Information collector.

snowman

Like anything theres a tradeoff, skip tooth is far superior in clean wood, falling and bucking.On the landing, I prefer full comp, yes its slower to sharpen but on the other hand you can run full comp duller and still cut, skip tooth needs to stay SHARP to do its thing.

TexasTimbers

I ran a full skip (Oregon) and a full comp (Carlton) cutting the osage with a 32" bar on a 372XP and the full comp seemed to do much better. Now you are going to ask me specifics about the chain and I don't know them off hand. The full skip has a "72" stamped on it. There is alot to learn about chain it seems.  :P  :P  :P
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sawguy21

The 72 just means 3/8 pitch .050 guage.
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barbender

 I am finding with my full skip chain the farther I take down the rakers, the better it cuts.  It is a wee bit grabby now though  :).  I don't know how far I took them down, I didn't use a guage I just counted the file strokes on each one. Before that I was really having to put pressure on the saw to get it to cut, now it has to be held back, the 2171 has plenty of power to pull it I guess.  How far down do you fellas usually run the rakers on your saws?
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