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cowcumber, paradise, and shoemake?

Started by hackberry jake, October 22, 2015, 09:04:27 PM

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hackberry jake

I have a chance to buy these logs. Never heard of em. I looked up cow cumber and it said it was a magnolia. Any advice?
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WDH

Cucumber tree, Magnolia acuminata, has green heartwood, just like yellow poplar.  Wood is very very similar to yellow poplar, so it will be nice to mill and be easy to work with on projects.  May be prone to blotching when staining, like yellow poplar.  Southern magnolia, the ones with the big white flowers, and the ones that you sit under to sip mint juleps, has a dark brown heartwood.  Both yellow poplar and cucumber tree are in the Magnolia family.

I have no experience with tree of paradise, Ailanthus altissima, but I believe the wood is soft and kind of bland.

Shoemake, more properly known as sumac, has very beautiful wood.  very coarse grained.  A novelty wood as the sumac never gets very large.  Check out Forum member @phinds wood ID website.  It is excellent.  Best on the web, by far.

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Kingmt

There is different kinds of sumac. But some people have reactions to sumac. It burns pretty.
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Around here the mountain folk call poised sumac shoemake.
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Kingmt

I've heard it called shoemac & I thought that was it's name until I was probably 20.

How big is the sumac? I have three biggest I've seen around here. I've cut & burned my biggest one about 10 years ago. Seems it was around 10-12". I still have one that is 7-8 that I know of. There could be more.
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   We generally call the Sumac Stinkwood around here as it has a pretty foul smell. Very few around me get big enough to cut for lumber (except the one I cut a few years ago that took down the power line and knocked out the power up and down the creek here for several miles).
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In this area, the only Sumac that I've heard of is Staghorn Sumac, I've never seen any of it that was over a couple of inches in diameter.

Wasn't aware that there were more species of it!
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Kingmt

Yelp. I know of three. I only know each of the names by sumac tho. A Google search would probably list then tho.
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phinds

My site shows at least half a dozen kinds of sumac (genus Rhus), some of them pretty obscure. My favorite is staghorn sumac which has its own page because it's by far the most known and available sumac.  It's very colorful and, just as importantly, it keeps the color over time. Also it fluoresces brilliantly under UV, as I also show on the site.

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Kbeitz

Here in Pa we have two kinds that I know of.
A tall one that gets a red cluster of something that looks like a fuzzy cluster of seeds.
Some people make tea with that cluster... Not me...
The other kind of sumac that we have grows only about 12-16" tall and gets a white flower
on top. I was told that this is the poison sumac. We dont have a lot of that.

sumac tea...
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Quote from: Kbeitz on October 24, 2015, 06:14:53 AM
Here in Pa we have two kinds that I know of.
A tall one that gets a red cluster of something that looks like a fuzzy cluster of seeds.
Some people make tea with that cluster... Not me...
The other kind of sumac that we have grows only about 12-16" tall and gets a white flower
on top. I was told that this is the poison sumac. We dont have a lot of that.

sumac tea...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xCzSWXfdXY

Yep, we had the same in lower NYS.  I heard the poison sumac would give a rash, but I never tried to see if I would get a reaction. ;)  In 8th grade at a week-long camp, we made Sumac tea and root beer (Sassafras) tea (and ate other things growing around there).  I thought both were good but took a lot of sugar...

Funny the local names of trees.
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coppolajc10

Quote from: Kbeitz on October 24, 2015, 06:14:53 AM
A tall one that gets a red cluster of something that looks like a fuzzy cluster of seeds.

I grew up on a bee farm, my dad had almost 800 hives, and one of his favorite smoker fuels was those red clusters.

Kingmt

Quote from: coppolajc10 on October 24, 2015, 07:33:54 PM
Quote from: Kbeitz on October 24, 2015, 06:14:53 AM
A tall one that gets a red cluster of something that looks like a fuzzy cluster of seeds.

I grew up on a bee farm, my dad had almost 800 hives, and one of his favorite smoker fuels was those red clusters.
Interesting. You learn something new on here every day.

What makes it you favorite?
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etroup10

I'd stay away from the paradise. We get some in to shave and they seem to have really bad tension, as you can see in this picture(I've seen this in probably 1/5 of the paradise logs that come in but not usually this extreme).
I actually had one split into 3 pieces when it dropped in the shaver from the log deck.
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JB Griffin

Shoemake can get big here, My Granny has two in her front yard that are 20"+ DBH and 12-16' to the first limb. Grampa always called em tame shoemake.
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phinds

I assume that's NOT staghorn sumac but some other kind, right?
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Dodgy Loner

:D This is probably the only website on the internet where you could type those three words into a title and people would actually know what in the heck you were talking about.

But yeah, WDH nailed each one. Ailanthus altissima resembles ash, but softer and lighter. It's pretty useless as far as I'm concerned. The others are interesting, especially sumac if you can get it with any kind of size.
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