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Title: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Geeg on November 28, 2012, 07:36:10 AM
Well thats what I was planning on doing with it until we finished raising the shop and the boss took a step back and laid claim and decided it was going to be our new retirement shack.

I thought I would share with those that wish or are in the process of setting out to do the same thing, that is build a timber frame home, not to have your wife confiscate your shop ;)

My plan entailed building my shop and then outfitting it with all my toys which would enable me to build the main timber frame house. My best friend (my wife) and I wanted to build a business for when we retire to keep us busy and in shape. The plan involved building a net zero home, one that cost nothing to operate, being well insulated and using bio fuel to heat the home and all electricity cost to be offset with a 10KW solar system. Well, after 3 years of still working on it, we have gained headway and the house is somewhat complete with another year to go or so. The shop is now back on the drawing board and while it won't be a timber frame it will be a place that I can hang all my tools and do what I set out to do which was to have a place I can go to build stuff, I guess with all things, sometimes you just have to compromise.

I will post more of the pictures as I get them uploaded.

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Sub-floor ready for the frame. This build was on an existing foundation (55 years old) but in hindsight should have removed it and started over.
Foundation is 50'x30'
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My wife and I waiting for the guys to show up.
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Remote control crane
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2nd bent
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2 bents up
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Hammer beam going up
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My contractor keeping an eye on things.
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Me pounding some pegs
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Not bad for a days work!
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View from second story loft.
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: thecfarm on November 28, 2012, 07:41:56 AM
I can see why she did that. Nice looking!!! Build a stick built one next time.  ;D
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Leigh Family Farm on November 28, 2012, 08:17:33 AM
Nice looking shop...or house, apparently it depends on whose talking!  :D
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Geeg on November 29, 2012, 03:02:40 AM
The next step was having the SIP's delivered, they came from Foam Laminates in Vermont. I found that the cost was almost half than buying them from Canada and that included the shipping.

I used 6-1/2" for the walls and 10-1/8" for the roof, the basement foundation has 1 1/2" foam sheeting on the outside (a story for another day) and 1-1/2" on the inside with an additional layer of roxsol R22 bringing the basement R value to approx 39R. The SIP panels were pre cut except for the window locations. It took about a week to install the all the SIP's.

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The SIP's finally arrive, takes 1 hour with 2 tractors to offload and stack them.
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Panels stacked up around the house.
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Second story loft
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All the SIP's are up and the windows and doors have been cut to the proper sizes.
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: sawmillhand on November 29, 2012, 05:37:53 AM
geeg   

that sure is super nice i would love to be able to build a shop or home like that we simple dont have the trees down here in the south for that  a plus job there. ;D
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Geeg on November 29, 2012, 09:41:57 PM
Quote from: sawmillhand on November 29, 2012, 05:37:53 AM
geeg   

that sure is super nice i would love to be able to build a shop or home like that we simple dont have the trees down here in the south for that  a plus job there. ;D

Hi sawmillhand, we could only find about 1/4 of the white pine here and ended up finding the rest on your side of the border but that was 3 years ago?
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: WDH on November 29, 2012, 09:54:08 PM
That is inspirational!
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Jay C. White Cloud on November 29, 2012, 09:56:58 PM
Hi Geeg and Sawmillhand,

Geeg, your frame is beautiful, you must really be happy. 

Sawmillhand, you shouldn't give up on your dreams of building what Geeg has.  There are trees in your area as nice or nicer than they have in Canada.  I'm in Vermont and our forest are similar to what our brothers and sisters to the North have, but I would give anything to have your choices.  You have what we do, plus a whole lot more, and I have seen, (and helped build,) some excellent frames with "Southern" wood.  You can build what ever you dream, just take your time, ask questions, and be patient with yourself.  ;)

Regards,

Jay
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Geeg on November 30, 2012, 07:08:18 AM
Quote from: Jay C. White Cloud on November 29, 2012, 09:56:58 PM
Hi Geeg and Sawmillhand,

Geeg, your frame is beautiful, you must really be happy. 

Sawmillhand, you shouldn't give up on your dreams of building what Geeg has.  There are trees in your area as nice or nicer than they have in Canada.  I'm in Vermont and our forest are similar to what our brothers and sisters to the North have, but I would give anything to have your choices.  You have what we do, plus a whole lot more, and I have seen, (and helped build,) some excellent frames with "Southern" wood.  You can build what ever you dream, just take your time, ask questions, and be patient with yourself.  ;)

Regards,

Jay

I agree with you Jay, Sawmillhand I wouldn't worry about wood, you can get it anywhere. I had this dream for a very long time and took it one day at a time, did a lot of research and more dreaming. If you want something bad enough, you will find a way to make it happen.

Yes Jay, I am happy with the outcome, even though it didn't turn out quite as expected it has been quite a learning experience and one that I can look back on and say, ya that was a lot of fun.

Regards,
Geeg
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Jay C. White Cloud on November 30, 2012, 07:43:28 AM
Hi Geeg,

As a professional timber wright, I can tell you that with each frame, (big or small,) the joy gets stronger, (at least for me.)  You will always see things in your work, (we did 5 frames in our collective shops this past month,) that you would do differently.  I think it is in the blood of anyone that comes to this craft, to forever fall further in love with it, but at the same time become self-deprecating the longer we do it.  I think that is why I love teaching it as much as doing it, for I live vicariously through those I share the craft with.

Regards,

Jay
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: bedway on November 30, 2012, 08:03:49 AM
Beautiful craftsmanship and i enjoyed the photo process.
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Geeg on November 30, 2012, 11:16:40 PM
Quote from: Jay C. White Cloud on November 30, 2012, 07:43:28 AM
Hi Geeg,

As a professional timber wright, I can tell you that with each frame, (big or small,) the joy gets stronger, (at least for me.)  You will always see things in your work, (we did 5 frames in our collective shops this past month,) that you would do differently.  I think it is in the blood of anyone that comes to this craft, to forever fall further in love with it, but at the same time become self-deprecating the longer we do it.  I think that is why I love teaching it as much as doing it, for I live vicariously through those I share the craft with.

Regards,

Jay

Jay, sounds like you are living the dream!. Its great to see people like you who are passionate about what they are doing or are trying to accomplish. As WDH just said, "That is inspirational!"

Regards,
Geeg
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Jay C. White Cloud on December 01, 2012, 12:25:26 AM
thank's Geeg,

Now, feel that "poking" in the right side of your brain, that is the teacher in me going, "more, more, come on...what's next?"  Look forward to watching you create and making us all better timber wrights. ;)

Jay
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Geeg on December 01, 2012, 05:59:46 AM
OK, now on with the build.. next step was to get the house enclosed and start getting the utilities in on time for the winter. The windows went in easy using the Prazi Beam Cutter Saw and the Hot Knife to notch out for the 2x6 frame. The windows were bought from Anderson Windows in Canada. they are double pane low "E" and PVC for low maintenance. The shingles went on at the same time to keep the elements out of the house, Grace Ice and Water Shield was used on the entire roof to make sure there was no leakage, then the IKO Armourshake shingles were used http://www.iko.com/products/residential/residential.asp?task=ProductDetails&product_id=859&region_id=18

The electrical was installed underground, the previous house had the electrical overhead, a 200amp service was installed. The furnace was also installed at this point. We have no natural gas in this area so went with a propane furnace which in the future will be used only as backup heat. the furnace installed was a 80,000 btuh Carrier MVP Infinity 94% high efficiency condensing gas furnace with ECM fan motor. We also installed a GE Energy Star Heat Pump Hot Water Heater rated at 1856kwh running about $198.00 a year to operate, now having said that, we would be only running it in the summer since the boiler will be heating this water in the winter, now in the summer the unit will use electricity to operate and the by product is cold air that will help with the home AC cooling in the summer time. We also installed a 2 ton high efficiency Carrier (Payne model) R-410A Air conditioner 14 SEER.

The water pump in the basement pulling water from our artisan well decided to stop working so we had to replace this. We also added a new technology water sofener system that does not use electricity to operate, it uses turbine blades that controls the system when the water is run.

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Applying the foam before the 2x6 is inserted
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Windows and doors now in.
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Oops, missed one window
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Tyvek while not required was added for extra protection.
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The house now closed up for the winter.
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And just in time! nice dumping of snow.
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A beautiful winters day!
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Carrier MVP Infinity 94% high efficiency condensing gas furnace with ECM fan motor
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GE Energy Star Heat Pump Hot Water Heater
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The old water pump that packed it in
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The new water pump
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Water softener system
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Forgot to add this one, shows the ecobee module for adjusting the heating/cooling over the internet.

Next step was framing the interior, since it was going to be open for my shop, the wife changed this to 2 bedrooms and 2 bathrooms.
Will dig out the photos and upload - stay tuned!
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Jay C. White Cloud on December 01, 2012, 02:43:31 PM
 :o "Good Googley Moogley,"  :o

What did you say you did for a living?  That is a very neat and clean job site!  Great job.
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: WildDog on December 01, 2012, 03:32:10 PM
What a work of art, great job Geeg
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Geeg on December 01, 2012, 10:48:56 PM
Thanks for the kudos guys! just happy to share and maybe it will help someone who has similar ideas or plans.

Jay, I am a bus driver, take people from point A to B and I spend a lot of time waiting but hey its a job and pays the bills, not as fun as making sawdust!
Here is my bus,

ETIHAD AIRWAYS Airbus A380 | First Takeoff in full livery - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAVS9MUTJ-o)

Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Jay C. White Cloud on December 01, 2012, 11:10:21 PM
O.K., now I am truly impressed!  Well, before you leave the Middle East, check out some of the timber framing in that part of the world, it is beautiful.  You could retire from "bus driving," to "Timber Wright."  I'd pile sawdust next to ya any day.

Regards,

Jay
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Geeg on December 02, 2012, 12:53:27 AM
Quote from: Jay C. White Cloud on December 01, 2012, 11:10:21 PM
O.K., now I am truly impressed!  Well, before you leave the Middle East, check out some of the timber framing in that part of the world, it is beautiful.  You could retire from "bus driving," to "Timber Wright."  I'd pile sawdust next to ya any day.

Regards,

Jay

Thanks Jay!, haven't seen any TF in this part of the desert, mostly concrete and stone that doesn't last long in this climate. Basically hot and sunny 364 days a year, it rained yesterday for the first time in over a year, it was GREAT! well except all the flash flooding.

Regards,
Geeg
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Leigh Family Farm on December 02, 2012, 08:17:33 AM
The house looks great! When's the FF Housewarming Party? Invites are in the mail, right?  ;)
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Jay C. White Cloud on December 02, 2012, 05:48:59 PM
Hi Geeg,

Well, the ones I really wanted to send you to, are in the mountains in Northern Syria, alas I don't recommend a visit at this time, and they may have been blown to smithereens by now.  They had been some of the oldest, (undocumented,) domestic timber frames in the world, at around 7000 years of age.  Many generation had lived in, added on to and built on the original "dry laid," stone foundations, of the preceding structure.  Now just to the North, In Turkey, that is another story, and a great place for you to get to before you leave that part of the world.  If you really are interested, I could perhaps put you in touch with one of my friend/students from there.  A trip into the mountains with Erikin, would reveal timber frames like you haven't seen before.  Good luck and keep make'n sawdust.
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: GeorgeK on December 02, 2012, 06:07:22 PM
Awesome shop you are building. Nice ride. I am a recently laid off DC-8-73 Captain from DHL/ASTAR. Been back and fourth to your neck of the woods (sand) a few times.
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Geeg on December 03, 2012, 04:16:52 AM
Quote from: kilgrosh on December 02, 2012, 08:17:33 AM
The house looks great! When's the FF Housewarming Party? Invites are in the mail, right?  ;)

Well, the Party will probably be a week after our return in 2 years 204 days 23 hours. Having said that no invites are necessary and anyone here is more than welcome to come, just BYOB

Quote from: Jay C. White Cloud on December 02, 2012, 05:48:59 PM
Hi Geeg,

Well, the ones I really wanted to send you to, are in the mountains in Northern Syria, alas I don't recommend a visit at this time, and they may have been blown to smithereens by now.  They had been some of the oldest, (undocumented,) domestic timber frames in the world, at around 7000 years of age.  Many generation had lived in, added on to and built on the original "dry laid," stone foundations, of the preceding structure.  Now just to the North, In Turkey, that is another story, and a great place for you to get to before you leave that part of the world.  If you really are interested, I could perhaps put you in touch with one of my friend/students from there.  A trip into the mountains with Erikin, would reveal timber frames like you haven't seen before.  Good luck and keep make'n sawdust.

Jay, wow 7000 years of age, man I hope mine last that long.  Agree about Syria we use to layover in Damascus, now its just in and out.  Do you have any pictures of these TF? would really like to see them.

Quote from: GeorgeK on December 02, 2012, 06:07:22 PM
Awesome shop you are building. Nice ride. I am a recently laid off DC-8-73 Captain from DHL/ASTAR. Been back and fourth to your neck of the woods (sand) a few times.

Hi George, sorry to hear about your situation. As you know this business can be quite challenging at times, it sure isn't what it use to be and the good old days are long gone. Well at least you have your LT40, congrats on that. I actually envy you!, you have a sawmill and you flew a classic! Whats your plan, any chance of getting recalled?

Regards,
Geeg
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Jay C. White Cloud on December 03, 2012, 10:28:38 AM
Hi Geeg,

Pictures are hard, time wise and I would make the effort if I had any of quality.  I'm horrible for taking pictures, (in that I don't as much as I should.)  Erkin is going back in a few months, but I'm not sure if he will get into the mountains this trip, (his 90+) father is going to take a lot of his time.

Now, what I can do is this.  If you want to see just many different random pictures of "Turkish Timber Architecture," that I can accommodated.  Do the following, go to Google Images, and use the following (cut and paste) in the "search" box:

Kemaliye evleri

"Hımış" yapım tekniğindeki

That should get you going.  I almost forgot, "Kemaliye" is a style of timber architecture, and "Himis" is a technique.  I have never been able to get a good direct translation of the word, other that "yes, yes, timber frame."  Erikn lives here in the state's (he speaks and reads Uzbek, German, English, Turkish and a spattering of Middle Eastern languages), and we both have the same career paths.  We both timber frame in the same styles, and we both "Mountain Guide" and teach "Wilderness Ed.-Indigenous Life Skills," as it is called in the experiential education field.  Let us know what you think.

Regards,

Jay 



Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Geeg on December 04, 2012, 07:49:55 AM
Thanks Jay, Will see if I can google it.

Regards,
Geeg
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: ekutanoglu on December 04, 2012, 02:05:34 PM
Hi Jay&Geeg,
I wanted to contribute your discussion from Turkey with some photos about timber frames in Turkey. With my limited knowledge on the topic, I can say that we have two types of timber frames here.
First timber frames with "Çantı" technique. Çantı timber frame is similar to or combination of your timber frame and plank and log buildings which uses mortise and tenon with no nail. It's difficult to see examples of Çantı and is a technique older than "Hımış" Jay mentioned.

Hımış timber frames use shorter timbers with long nails-barn spikes and can be seen in everywhere  in Turkey (including Kemaliye which is a county in the east Anatolia)and throughout the Europe. This is an infill system; wall cavity is filled with cob, brick, plaster etc and whitewashed.

I created albums for both.

Unfortunately,  Turkey is a country surrounded with concrete buildings now and  Çantı and Hımış timber frames were left for dead although we have some legislations to protect them . And the most important point is there is no any resource, workshop  to learn/remember  these techniques, at least I could find any in Turkey.  Fortunately, we have Sobon, Benson and Shappel . 
Regards
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Jim_Rogers on December 04, 2012, 03:53:39 PM
ekutanoglu:

Welcome, can you post a link to your gallery here on the forestry forum where you have your pictures?

Thanks.

Jim Rogers
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: beenthere on December 04, 2012, 04:33:33 PM
Maybe post pics in your own gallery here on the forum. ;)
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Jay C. White Cloud on December 04, 2012, 09:46:31 PM
Welcome Ekutanoglu,

It is an honor and exciting 8) to share the forum with you.  I would love if you would start a New post topic called: "Turkish Timber Framing," or I could and you could join in.  I'm confident that folks here would love to see timber frames from that region and discuss them.

I, for one, would love to here more about you and your interest in timber framing.  You mention not finding any, have you looked in the mountain regions. There are some "elders," up in the mountains that still can cut frames in both "Hımış" and ""Çantı" style.  My friend Erikin and you should try to make contact.  I would love to share a conversation with both of you.  Erikin would love to start a historical interpretive program in Turkish Indigenous folk architecture and I know, when he comes to visit his father there, he goes to the mountains to look for programming locations.

Please give us a link to your photos or set up an album here at the forestry forum and again karşılama!

Regards,

Jay
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: ekutanoglu on December 05, 2012, 01:09:12 PM
Many thanks Jay for karşılama  :),

I can start a new topic on Turkish Timber Frame if you guys interested but let me start with a couple of pictures for now. Actually I wanted to add them to this post but I could not achieve. I copied the link of my gallery I created in the forum. I hope it works.

https://forestryforum.com/gallery/index.php?cat=29612

Actually I have a 8-5 job and my interest and knowledge on timber framing is only in theory, limited with reading books, forums (for now). My interest has started after reading a blog about building timber frame house, as I remember it was "massiehouse" a member of FF as well, then discovered this forum and stuck on.
I would be happy contacting with you and your friends Erkin as we have common interest.

and Jim,

I forgot to say in my previous e mail; "Fortunately we have forestry forum and Jim Rogers."
Many thanks for your effort to share your knowledge on TF.
Best regards
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Jay C. White Cloud on December 05, 2012, 10:07:16 PM
I'm waiting for a book that Erikin has on traditional architecture of Turkey.  I would love to know any books you know of on the craft.  There doesn't seem to be any on the technical aspects of the different forms.  I have hinted to Erikin about writing one.  As our conversation develops, or you see something of interest, we could start a new post.

Regards,

Jay
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: thecfarm on December 05, 2012, 10:14:36 PM
I looked in your gallery earlier. Nice looking buildings. maybe this will help.

Go to your gallery, Click onto your album,than click onto whatever picture you want, it will get bigger, then scroll down a little to find, Insert Image In post, click onto that, say yes and that is it. I like to hit the enter key at least once or twice to move the picture down away from a post. The enter key really helps to leave some white space if posting more than one picture. Somewheres I think it says to add 10,000 to your user number or something like that to make a click-able icon to your gallery under your user name. use the preview button to see how it looks.
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: ekutanoglu on December 06, 2012, 12:56:02 PM

Many thanks Thecfarm, I noted this.
By the way, Geeg's shop, I love it and that is also my dream. I think it's time to go back the "dream shop" after opening a paragraph for TFs in a different country.
Regards
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Geeg on December 08, 2012, 02:20:24 AM
Springtime came and we found 2" of water in the basement during the thaw, I had mentioned this on one of my other post about building a house on a current foundation. Before the main sub floor was installed the front wall was found bowed so they tore it down and replaced the block., new weeping tile was installed and attached to the old clay tile and back filled. Note to self, don't ever re build on an existing foundation.

We needed to install a new septic system since the old one was found to far gone and had not been taken care of over the years, this was a big project that we had not taken into account and was quite costly. Since the equipment was there we decided to dig up the foundation and replace all the weeping tile since it had obviously failed. This project was also quite time consuming and came at another unexpected expense (the joys of building a house, I don't like surprises). Once the foundation was dug up, we noticed right away that the block wall's had cracks and the weeping tile in places was completely blocked with clay, this happened due to the fact that when the foundation was originally installed, they did not back fill with stone and sand. The foundation wall cracks were parged after removing the tar and a rubber spray on coat was applied to make the foundation wall water tight. New weeping tile was installed and gravel and sand was was used to back fill. This was a huge job due to the clay and the rain that we had had while trying to complete this job.

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Front wall has a bow in it, was removed and replaced with new block, footing was also
extended about a 12"
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Wall being removed, fast job of it with that equipment.
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New block installed and ready for taring.
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Diging for the septic system, the original one was located on the other side of the house.
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This company made fast work of installing the septic system, was still expensive though
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Ready to lay the tile bed.
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1500 gallon tank installed.
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Sewage tubes running through the foundation into the house.
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Old cay weeping tile, some were completely blocked with clay
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Foundation dug up, septic system is now installed.
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Notice the water at the footings, that stuff was like glue to walk in. It was a nightmare that
I didn't think was going to end.
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Used some scrap wood to lay down so that we could walk on it. Helped a little.
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Our temporary gang plank to get into the house, two weeks of using this.
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Walls cleaned and re parged. We ended up having to pump water out since there was
nowhere to go.
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The sealer spray was added, this stuff stretches 1800% and then returns to its normal state.
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Membrane being applied with a spray gun.
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Dimpled delta wrap being applied.
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Weeping tile installed, gravel layed down and the insulation installed then the downspout
big O installed.
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Sono tubes installed for the sun-room and wrap around deck.
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Temporary access installed and graded.
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Rough grading completed, glad that it's almost over!
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Crushed rock added to driveway and driveway re-routed to a new access.
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All the sono tubes installed and ready for pouring.
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Jim_Rogers on December 08, 2012, 08:45:05 AM
I'm not sure of your timing of foundation back filling, but I thought you didn't ever back fill until the first floor deck was installed to prevent the back filling process from bowing the walls?

And it looks like you've done just about everything you could do to prevent water from getting into your basement through the walls now. I hope it works for you.

Thanks for all the pictures.

Jim Rogers
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: thecfarm on December 08, 2012, 09:03:02 AM
Where did all that water come from?? Looks like you have a few springs. But kinda looks like your house sits up on a sight incline. Have alot of clay? I'm on a small hill,nothing drains down to me,it's all down hill from here.  ;D
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: samandothers on December 08, 2012, 09:58:15 AM
Geeg,
Thank you for taking the time to post this information and pictures.  It is really informative.  How is the interior framing going or has that been on hold for the exterior septic and water issue? 
Looks like you should have a dry basement in the future.
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Geeg on December 09, 2012, 12:13:39 AM
Hi Jim, Because of the load of the TF, the engineer requested that (if memory serves me correct) every 4 feet there was rebar installed vertically in the block and it was filled to the top with cement to reinforce the walls. The contractor figured that it was ok to carefully back fill the one wall with sand but I do see your point though, guess we got lucky?

Hi thecfarm, we have an artisan well about 50-75 behind the house, it comes out of the ground and in the winter, it never freezes and is always wet. There is all clay around the house, I think this was a big problem with the basement flooding due to the fact that there was no where for the water to drain since the weeping tile was plugged in spots and the clay was back filled  up to the foundation wall instead of using gravel at the base and sand above to get the water to drain down to the new weeping tile. As of today, there is no water in the basement, and it is dry as a bone. Hopefully this will last for my lifetime!

Hi samandothers, Yes, we unfortunately had to put the interior framing on hold due to these issues but it wasn't long before we got to the framing. Will dig these pics out and post them.
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: thecfarm on December 09, 2012, 09:12:32 AM
Sand-gravel around a foundation will really help. And the clay drains will really help too. Mine was back filled with sand. But as I said everything drains away from me. Sounds like you have water around your place.
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: frwinks on December 10, 2012, 10:57:20 AM
Looks great Geeg.   We built ours on existing foundation too and the last set of pics looks waaay too familiar :D
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Geeg on December 11, 2012, 02:08:29 AM
Hi thecfarm, I guess they didn't lay gravel and sand back in the day? but yes this is that way that it should be to get rid of the water and yes we have a spring just behind the house and it drains right towards it but looks like we have fixed the issues.

Hi frwinks, Did you have to do the same water issues? what was the age of the existing foundation?.
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Geeg on December 11, 2012, 03:43:13 AM
Now that the septic system and the foundation issues were finally fixed, we could now concentrate on the interior framing. The drawings had to go back to the architect since the initial "shop design" then turned into our "retirement shack". We decided on a 2 bedroom 2 bathroom (well my wife did, I just paid the bill), the interior walls were standard 2x4 studded walls with sound proofing insulation. During this time we also installed 1 1/2 foam sheeting in the basement interior walls and then added 2x4 studded walls that allowed us to install an additional 6" of roxul R22 insulation.

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Started with the basement rigid foam installation, panels were glued to the block wall
and sealed with tape.
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Utility room with 200amp power supply, nothing fancy.
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Stacked roxul insulation waiting to be installed.
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Main floor bathroom and hallway on the right, heating duct leading to the second floor.
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Heating duct installation
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Drywall on the roof was installed before the roof went up.
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Double door will lead to the outdoor sun-room.
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Second floor framing completed, little tricky cutting to fit around the beams.
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First floor framing completed.
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That light was great!, it was cold outside and this is all we used to keep the house warm at 1000watts
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Me wondering what to do next?
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Upstairs shower base install, both bathrooms have showers, no tubs. Figured its easier
to walk in than stepping over a bathtub when we get older ;)
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All electrical and heating is now in.
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Downstairs bathroom was completed first as we needed this.
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Just have a plastic sheet for privacy, hey it works.
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Finished the upstairs bathroom however the drywall and paint has not been completed. Used
all black slate 1'x2' tiles and in floor heating for both bathrooms. Also had the taps installed
as you enter the shower so ya don't get wet before the water has a chance to heat up.
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Main floor bathroom, minus the toilet.
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Since we don't have a kitchen yet, needed to boil some water so I improvised.
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Thought I would throw in some food since I know how many of you like it. Got to have a nice meal after a hard days work.
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Jay C. White Cloud on December 11, 2012, 09:15:30 AM
That is awesome.  Is the whole space going to be "shop?"

Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: frwinks on December 11, 2012, 10:56:21 AM
wow, black shower tile... looks like our wives have similar tastes.. :D

The old cottage was built in the 70's, no expenses spared back then with a 6" concrete floor and all.  It was a pain to jackhammer through all that crete as our frame required a number of point load footings inside, and underpinning of existing footings :o  Much fun for many nights ;D
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Poor dog thought all that work was just so he could bury his pink teddy
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We had water problems. No cracks in the foundation, but we're on clay, and that stuff mixed with many springs around us (we're in the Headwaters afterall :D ) can plug up weeping tile in no time.  When I redid it, I used landscaping fabric, and pipe with a sock on it, plus backfilled with stone all the way up to grade.  Like you, I don't want to do this job ever again on this house, so I used Blueseal, and the Delta dimple board together.
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while down there I added 4" of xps all the way up and around
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On the inside, I used 2" xps on walls and slab, last winter we heated the whole house (all three floors) with a 1500W plug in heater located in the basement ;D.  This winter so far we're running a 2000W 240v heater on the 750W setting....we're spoiling ourselves :D
When you're back from the jungle, we should get together and swap some stories :D 
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Geeg on December 12, 2012, 01:31:54 AM
Quote from: Jay C. White Cloud on December 11, 2012, 09:15:30 AM
That is awesome.  Is the whole space going to be "shop?"

Hi Jay, the main living space which includes the kitchen, dinning room, family room will be in 2/3rds of the building, all open @ approx 900sq ft.
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Geeg on December 12, 2012, 01:54:35 AM
Hi frwinks,

Man, you know what I am talking about!. What a job you had to do. We got a little lucky in that we had to install 3 point load footings and 9 treated (2ply) 2"x8" support columns anchored to the existing block foundation wall. I was really happy to hear that we didn't need to underpin for the extra support. Looks like you did it right and it looks great! and 4" of xps outside and 2" inside, ya that will keep it warm.

Swapping (what the heck did I get myself into now) stories sounds like a plan. The wife and I get back 2 times per year, usually in the summer and fall, winter is a little to cold for us since I think our blood has thinned out over the years from being here. Your location is the Hills, is that the Horseshoe Valley area?, That basement looks just like ours, have any pics of the place, would love to see them.

Cheers
Geeg
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: frwinks on December 12, 2012, 10:59:26 AM
a little south west, Hockley Valley area
I have some more pics in my gallery, plus a few threads on the forum ;)
double cheers
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: WindyAcres on December 12, 2012, 07:09:18 PM
Great pictures&project!! Thanks for sharing, I really enjoyed it!

All the best,
Fabian

PS
I would have build that house on a new foundation (no basement). But thats just me. I finished a 26x30 foundation (4 feet frost wall, lots of rebar, all insulated, 6 inch slab, double wire mesh) a few months ago. Did it all myself for 10,000 CAD in about 10 days. Would have cost twice as much if somebody else had done it. I did well, it was fun! I will put a timber frame hybrid on it.. It will be a workshop/woodturning studio + there is a second full floor.. I might post some pictures here too next year..
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Geeg on December 13, 2012, 02:28:48 AM
Quote from: frwinks on December 12, 2012, 10:59:26 AM
a little south west, Hockley Valley area
I have some more pics in my gallery, plus a few threads on the forum ;)
double cheers

Hey frwinks, Wow, you have an awesome place there, looks like you have invested a lot of blood sweat and tears over the years, wish I had your talent (https://forestryforum.com/board/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fsmileys.emoticonsonly.com%2Femoticons%2Fb%2Fbow_down_before_you-960.gif&hash=29ffc0b998d22aac9e977f28559ddb324bccaf8d)

Looks like your not to far from me, will let you know when we get back into town. Hope you drink beer!

Cheers!
Geeg
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Geeg on December 13, 2012, 02:40:59 AM
Quote from: WindyAcres on December 12, 2012, 07:09:18 PM
Great pictures&project!! Thanks for sharing, I really enjoyed it!

All the best,
Fabian

PS
I would have build that house on a new foundation (no basement). But thats just me. I finished a 26x30 foundation (4 feet frost wall, lots of rebar, all insulated, 6 inch slab, double wire mesh) a few months ago. Did it all myself for 10,000 CAD in about 10 days. Would have cost twice as much if somebody else had done it. I did well, it was fun! I will put a timber frame hybrid on it.. It will be a workshop/woodturning studio + there is a second full floor.. I might post some pictures here too next year..

Hi Fabian, thanks for the compliment. Your project sounds really interesting. I plan on constructing my shop the same way, just waiting for the drawings to be finished so I can get the building permit issued. I was thinking of digging the foundation out myself but since I don't want to mess it up, I have decided to have a guy dig it for me, will cost about $600 and he does this all the time. I have planned on going with in-floor heating and a SIP construction with no timbers (don't want the wife confiscating this one too). Keep us posted and make sure to post some pics for us.

Cheers,
Geeg
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Geeg on December 13, 2012, 03:19:52 AM
This past summer was a little less stressful and the wife and I had some time to well, smell the roses and enjoy our vacation back home. We went to the Kioti dealership to enquire about a new 50hp tractor with a backhoe attachment. The owner was a really nice guy and spent quite a bit of time with us and even though he didn't have the backhoe attachment in stock, he said he had one back at his house and asked if we would like to come back with him to test it out. Off we went, 20 min later I got to play with his tractor and test out the backhoe. I know that he wants to make a sale but wow, to take the time out of his busy day so I could play a little shows great dedication in my eyes and a customer that will make the purchase. That was an awesome day!

Had a chance also to break out the chainsaw and do some trail clearing since it had been years since this was done. Next on the list was to get the siding up on the house, will post these pics soon.

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Me testing out the bush hog.
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Backhoe attached, better stand well clear.
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I get to dig me some holes!, like a kid an a candy store.
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Didn't know mushrooms grow like that but they sure were beautiful
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One of my red pine stands, about 50+years
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Putting my Stihl to good use.
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Stacking a little firewood.
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Buck on December 13, 2012, 07:28:01 AM
Thanks for sharing your great project!
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Jay C. White Cloud on December 13, 2012, 10:10:14 AM
Hi Geeg,

The bracket mushroom you saw is called a "Pheasant's back,"  (Polyporus squamosus,)  If you like mushrooms, this is one of the safer ones to harvest.  In your Red Pines you should, during some seasons, find a plethora of "boletus mushroom," many are better than Portobello mushroom.  With my luck I just made you gag because you can't stomach mushrooms, sorry about that.  :-\

Will you do anything with the Red Pines?  A similar species in China, "the 18 year Pine," is planted when a child is born and when they wed, it is part of there dowry so the can build a timber frame.  Wonderful tradition and the frames are simple and beautiful.

Regards,

Jay
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Geeg on December 14, 2012, 04:10:46 AM
Hi Buck, your more than welcome, its been a pleasure to share this journey with everyone here.

Hey Jay, I love mushrooms!, we also have big puff balls that you slice and fry up in butter, yum. Here is a pic of the ones I found on some red pines, is this a "boletus mushroom"?

Interesting story about tradition, my kids have all fled the nest and there is only one left to marry off, so guess I will have to plant one when this happens. This stand is getting thinned out this winter and the rest I will pick at and turn a few of them into some wood flooring for the new place. Was also thinking of using some for cants to use in the new TF garage and milling shed or if that doesn't work out will use some of the white pines that I have.

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Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Jay C. White Cloud on December 14, 2012, 11:50:01 AM
Hi Geeg,

No, that is another bracket fungus, "Pheasant's back,"  (Polyporus squamosus,) and it looks delicious!  The larger ones I dried for stews and soups, the smaller young tender ones you can slice and saute' in butter, yum.  Many of the Boletus grow under pines on the ground, and one of there unique features, it does not have gills under the cap but pores.  This book is great:

"Mushrooms and Other Fungi of North America" by Roger Phillips

It is the one I recommend to students,  with a little caution, you can eat some delicacies like "black trumpets," that are as tasty, (and valuable) as truffles.

Good Hunting!

Jay
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: samandothers on December 14, 2012, 12:26:21 PM
Geeg
Now with the tractor and backhoe you should add a grapple and third valve.  This would allow you to use the loader to move your logs and brush really easy!  Backhoes are great toys and I use mine to dig out trees so I can push them over versus cutting and dealing with stumps.  Though on big trees I don't want to chance making my tractor a 'compact'.
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Geeg on December 15, 2012, 07:04:45 AM
Quote from: Jay C. White Cloud on December 14, 2012, 11:50:01 AM
Hi Geeg,

No, that is another bracket fungus, "Pheasant's back,"  (Polyporus squamosus,) and it looks delicious!  The larger ones I dried for stews and soups, the smaller young tender ones you can slice and saute' in butter, yum.  Many of the Boletus grow under pines on the ground, and one of there unique features, it does not have gills under the cap but pores.  This book is great:

"Mushrooms and Other Fungi of North America" by Roger Phillips

It is the one I recommend to students,  with a little caution, you can eat some delicacies like "black trumpets," that are as tasty, (and valuable) as truffles.

Good Hunting!

Jay

Hi Jay, Thought I saw some like the "black trumpets", will need to get that book as there are many different types out back, it would be nice to identify them, wish I could find some of those magic ones  :o

Cheers
Geeg

Quote from: samandothers on December 14, 2012, 12:26:21 PM
Geeg
Now with the tractor and backhoe you should add a grapple and third valve.  This would allow you to use the loader to move your logs and brush really easy!  Backhoes are great toys and I use mine to dig out trees so I can push them over versus cutting and dealing with stumps.  Though on big trees I don't want to chance making my tractor a 'compact'.

Hi samandothers, I totally agree with you there, was thinking of this one like this? What kind do you have or is there one that you would suggest?

Cheers
Geeg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DwH39W1faE
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: samandothers on December 15, 2012, 09:38:28 AM
That is similar.  My grapple was produced by a company no longer in business.  They sold to another which still makes the grapple but I am not sure the price. The unit I have was about $1000 US about 3 years ago.  I then purchased the WR Long third function valve.  The rocker switch for grapple control mounts on the control stick for the loader.  The knob on the control stick is replaced with one that has the rocker switch integrated. 

WR Long produces grapple also.  My grapple is 60" wide. The bottom of the grapple is shaped like the one if the video, but I had the manufacturer add additional tines in the bottom so they were only 4 inches apart. Did not increase the teeth, just additional tines from the round bar in the front near the teeth to the back and did not extend up the back.  I wanted this so I could haul rock and not have as many drop through.  The one I have has only one top tine and one hydraulic cylinder.

I really like mine and when combined with the hydrostatic transmission and third function valve you can move some stuff quickly!

I would consider getting a 48" wide unit if I was doing it again.  It would put more force on items when trying to up root things since there is less steel you are trying to force in the ground the force is more concentrated.  I have not found the single tine on top to be an issue. 

There are many manufacturers.  Here in North Carolina is the Everything Attachments and near Denton NC are several grapple vendors.   There is a forum for Tractor folk 'Tractorbynet' that if you search for grapple you will be reading a loonng time.

I like the backhoe as ballast due to the weight, however it is a bit long. I don't have a box blade and other attachments can be a bit light and if I load up the grapple with brush or log the tractor can be light in the back even with loaded tires.  If you get one and your land has some inclines use your tractor in 4WD.  Tractor brakes on on the rears and if you start down a hill with a load and back end is light it could make for an exciting ride!

I am enjoying your tread and thanks for sharing your adventure.
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Jay C. White Cloud on December 15, 2012, 10:05:05 AM
Hi Geeg,

You might think I'm a bit crazy, (or pretentious,) but here in Vermont, we have a fellow that makes his living working on tractors and that is his focus.  He does also sell new tractors, but for nil of what other dealers sell them.  He says, "I don't want to be a used car salesman, I want to be a tractor mechanic, so why not make the sales part really easy. That way I have lots of tractors to take care of."  Paul has been my mechanic, and friend for over 10 years.  A real old sole, dyed in the wool, "North East Kingdom," man of Vermont.

Now the funny part, he sells Lamborghini Tractors!  I had no idea, until my wife drug me to her home state of Vermont, that Lamborghini even made tractors.  Come to find out, back in Italy, that is how they started the company, building tractors.  Once Mr. Lamborghini had made enough money after WWII with tractors he started a little car company that his boy's took over, but his heart was a tractor man.  I don't know all the history, just some. Same Deutz Fahr Manufacturing and Lamborghini are one in the same company, you can get a strait up Lamborghini or you can get the Same models, they both are amazing machines. 

I have a Same 50.  There are three just on my road, from a 70 horse to a 40 horse, the 70 is from 1970 and still "kick'n butt!  The 50 I have works like most 70 horse tractors, and I looked at a lot of them, til I met Paul.  He did a wonderful job of showing me what is great about every make and model, (and year) out there.  They all have pros and cons.  My neighbor loves his John Deer, once he got rid of all the lemons, because he is now on his third of the same model. The other two just "broke all a sudden like?"  I will admit there is something appealing about that green paint to folks.  Paul states, Kubota are o.k tractors some are even down write good, but "you pay a hell of a lot of money for that orange paint!  He further stated that could be the only reason the cost so damned much for what you get, and "the parts ain't cheep."  I don't know about all of that, you see an awful lot of them, but I love my Same.

If I would recommend anything, it is if your looking at a 30 horse by a 40, if you looking at a 40 by a 50.  I love my 50 horse, but I should have bought a 70 and Paul told me as much and was willing to make it happen for me, but I thought it was to big, (I was wrong.) If you can get him, (or Russel,) out from under a tractor long enough, he would be glad to talk to you about tractors. (802-695-2500) He might be able to find you a dealer or ship you one and recommend a good mechanic. That is what is important in his mind, after care for the machine.  Not that mine has needed much, in the all most ten years of heavy use, it just had it's first major repair, and that was because an idiot neighbor drove it for 4 miles with his foot resting on the clutch half depressed, and then did God knows what else to it on a cold Vermont morning, learn'd my lesson on that one, I did!  ::)

Good luck finding the tractor you want (and need) Enjoy the mushroom hunting.

jay
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Geeg on December 20, 2012, 12:52:51 AM
Quote from: samandothers on December 15, 2012, 09:38:28 AM
That is similar.  My grapple was produced by a company no longer in business.  They sold to another which still makes the grapple but I am not sure the price. The unit I have was about $1000 US about 3 years ago.  I then purchased the WR Long third function valve.  The rocker switch for grapple control mounts on the control stick for the loader.  The knob on the control stick is replaced with one that has the rocker switch integrated. 

WR Long produces grapple also.  My grapple is 60" wide. The bottom of the grapple is shaped like the one if the video, but I had the manufacturer add additional tines in the bottom so they were only 4 inches apart. Did not increase the teeth, just additional tines from the round bar in the front near the teeth to the back and did not extend up the back.  I wanted this so I could haul rock and not have as many drop through.  The one I have has only one top tine and one hydraulic cylinder.

I really like mine and when combined with the hydrostatic transmission and third function valve you can move some stuff quickly!

I would consider getting a 48" wide unit if I was doing it again.  It would put more force on items when trying to up root things since there is less steel you are trying to force in the ground the force is more concentrated.  I have not found the single tine on top to be an issue. 

There are many manufacturers.  Here in North Carolina is the Everything Attachments and near Denton NC are several grapple vendors.   There is a forum for Tractor folk 'Tractorbynet' that if you search for grapple you will be reading a loonng time.

I like the backhoe as ballast due to the weight, however it is a bit long. I don't have a box blade and other attachments can be a bit light and if I load up the grapple with brush or log the tractor can be light in the back even with loaded tires.  If you get one and your land has some inclines use your tractor in 4WD.  Tractor brakes on on the rears and if you start down a hill with a load and back end is light it could make for an exciting ride!

I am enjoying your tread and thanks for sharing your adventure.

Hi samandothers,

Thanks for the info!. You gave some good info regarding the grapple and I didn't think of the actual width being better if it was narrower giving extra force but it does make sense. I didn't like the idea of the top split on each side and independent, not sure what this would be good for?, I would like it solid across the top as one unit. I guess I will just have to keep searching  for that perfect Grapple.

Regards
Geeg
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Geeg on December 20, 2012, 01:30:56 AM
Quote from: Jay C. White Cloud on December 15, 2012, 10:05:05 AM
Hi Geeg,

You might think I'm a bit crazy, (or pretentious,) but here in Vermont, we have a fellow that makes his living working on tractors and that is his focus.  He does also sell new tractors, but for nil of what other dealers sell them.  He says, "I don't want to be a used car salesman, I want to be a tractor mechanic, so why not make the sales part really easy. That way I have lots of tractors to take care of."  Paul has been my mechanic, and friend for over 10 years.  A real old sole, dyed in the wool, "North East Kingdom," man of Vermont.

Now the funny part, he sells Lamborghini Tractors!  I had no idea, until my wife drug me to her home state of Vermont, that Lamborghini even made tractors.  Come to find out, back in Italy, that is how they started the company, building tractors.  Once Mr. Lamborghini had made enough money after WWII with tractors he started a little car company that his boy's took over, but his heart was a tractor man.  I don't know all the history, just some. Same Deutz Fahr Manufacturing and Lamborghini are one in the same company, you can get a strait up Lamborghini or you can get the Same models, they both are amazing machines. 

I have a Same 50.  There are three just on my road, from a 70 horse to a 40 horse, the 70 is from 1970 and still "kick'n butt!  The 50 I have works like most 70 horse tractors, and I looked at a lot of them, til I met Paul.  He did a wonderful job of showing me what is great about every make and model, (and year) out there.  They all have pros and cons.  My neighbor loves his John Deer, once he got rid of all the lemons, because he is now on his third of the same model. The other two just "broke all a sudden like?"  I will admit there is something appealing about that green paint to folks.  Paul states, Kubota are o.k tractors some are even down write good, but "you pay a hell of a lot of money for that orange paint!  He further stated that could be the only reason the cost so damned much for what you get, and "the parts ain't cheep."  I don't know about all of that, you see an awful lot of them, but I love my Same.

If I would recommend anything, it is if your looking at a 30 horse by a 40, if you looking at a 40 by a 50.  I love my 50 horse, but I should have bought a 70 and Paul told me as much and was willing to make it happen for me, but I thought it was to big, (I was wrong.) If you can get him, (or Russel,) out from under a tractor long enough, he would be glad to talk to you about tractors. (802-695-2500) He might be able to find you a dealer or ship you one and recommend a good mechanic. That is what is important in his mind, after care for the machine.  Not that mine has needed much, in the all most ten years of heavy use, it just had it's first major repair, and that was because an idiot neighbor drove it for 4 miles with his foot resting on the clutch half depressed, and then did God knows what else to it on a cold Vermont morning, learn'd my lesson on that one, I did!  ::)

Good luck finding the tractor you want (and need) Enjoy the mushroom hunting.

jay

Hi Jay,  Sounds like your friend has a great business and a good business plan if your tractor breaks down but then there is the scheduled maintenance that must be preformed regularly which should amount to some good income if you have a lot of tractors out there.

Took a look at some pictures and specs of the Same tractor, real nice looking and looks well built. One of the reasons that I had planned on going with Kioti is that I have heard through some friends that they are good tractors to operate and the main reason is that the dealership is not to far from my place so getting service and parts should be painless. I do know what you mean about the size of tractor that you buy, I was initially going to go with a 40hp but I will be buying the 50hp as what I found out is that the attachments that I will be getting run much better with that little extra horse power.

Didn't know that Lamborghini made tractors, man they look like their cars very nice sleek lines.

I would only lend my stuff out to a person who I know would take responsibility if they broke it and would get it fixed, having said that not sure if I would lend my new tractor out ;)

Regards
Geeg

Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Geeg on December 20, 2012, 04:00:20 AM
Going back to the build, we were thinking of going with a board and bat siding and then thought about just vinyl siding but then ended up going with stucco siding. Although the cost was a lot more, we did some research and found that the new way of stucco is called EIFS which stands for exterior insulation and finishing system.  EIFS uses rigid insulation boards on the exterior of the wall sheathing with a plaster appearance exterior skin which in our case is acrylic which has a very long life and is very low maintenance. Here is a short video on the product that we used and here is a link to the website
http://www.dryvit.ca

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoKa-nwO3_g

The installation process took almost 3 weeks to complete and these guys did a fabulous job, very detailed work. We gained another R12 with the foam insulation on the exterior followed by the Dryvit system being applied. The exterior of the house was completely sealed but this added to the complete sealing of the structure.

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The foam insulation has been attached and the base coat has started to be applied
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Base coat was added and now the mesh is added and another coat.
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Window trim was added, this is all this guy does is trim work. He's like an artist!
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Applying the fibreglass mesh.
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Martin mixing up some compound.
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Final colour coat being added.
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We decided instead of parging the foundation wall, we would just continue with the stucco
all the way down, turned out well.
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The finished product!
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Shot looking down the driveway
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The old garage, the wife painted it the same colour as the house.
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I suggested my wife make a nice flower garden, well actually I ended getting this job.
Turned out not bad.

Next on the list was the soffit and fascia to be installed. We had the stucco company also install the drywall since they did this as well. After looking at there work on the exterior, we knew we wanted them to drywall the interior. Pics to be added soon
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Jay C. White Cloud on December 20, 2012, 05:03:06 PM
Hi Geeg,

Building looks grand, you must be pleased.  You got my gist, about the tractor horse power, 50 is bare minimum for some of the work you want to do and if you can afford to go 10 or 20 horse more, you will not regret it.

Regards,

jay
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: jueston on December 20, 2012, 07:37:32 PM
eifs has some serious problems which i have seen, it doesn't allow water to mitigate out of the building. i have removed it from several buildings and all of them had one thing in common, they did a really good job building it air tight, and then water infiltrates somehow, and the entire building rots away.  sometimes its a little bit of roof flashing, sometimes its a bathroom vent with a leak.  but whatever the cause, once the water gets between the inside vapor barrier and the very waterproof exterior, its only a matter of time.

that is probobly true of any time styrofoam/eps insulation, but i have dealt with these problems in eifs several times.

that being said i think they do some awesome stuff with it, they can make it look like almost anything.

Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Jay C. White Cloud on December 20, 2012, 11:35:02 PM
Hey Justin,

When I saw Geeg's entry from today I thought do I saw anything or just keep it light and causual?  Well you have, "let the cat strait out of the bag," didn't you?   ::)

Hi Geeg,

I was going to try to find a more diplomatic way to ask "some certain kinds of questions," but Justin's direct approach to the subject is most honest.  Did anyone share some of these challenges with EIFS?  I must admit, everything Justin has shared, I have also observed, and unfortunately a too common occurrence, particularly in the polystyrene based insulation application in colder climates.

The systems seam to work relatively well in dry/arid climates,(other that for pest infestation,) but when employed in colder climates they seem to fail rapidly unless "cold roof/wall assemblies are applied to increase air circulation around the exterior of the insulation.  I have also heard that if you have a Air to Air Heat Exchangers deployed, you can also mitigate some of this excess build up of moisture in the inner wall assemblies.  The other elements of this condition, should it start to take place, you will not notice any symptoms till the conditions have reached a critical state.  The wall system is that tight.  By then, it usually requires a major intervention.  Some of the HVAC companies that I  have heard of, can set up moisture and humidity probes in strategic location within walls to monitor for moisture build up. You can do this yourself with a simple digital hygrometer and  small drilled holes in key locations.  The readings really should not get above 50% to 60% as I understand it from HVAC folks.

Not to make things more worrisome for you, but, as a former state supervisor in pest control, you are going to have to keep an extra vigilant watch for rodent and carpenter ant infestation .  Both these pest, are highly attracted to EPS foam insulation as a nesting medium.  The chemical additives to the foam that some manufacture provide, do not perform as intended and not against Rodentia at all.  Make sure that there is no expose foam, (usually at the drip edge of the outer wall,) or access points.  If you hire a pest control company, do so only if they give guarantees and assume liability, (some spray/gas pest control products will melt/break down EPS and you can't see it happen because it is behind a covering surface.)

Sorry to be a downer, but "forewarned is forearmed."  I have read about some pretty bad situations with your system that, when the above actions steps are implemented, everything goes to normal and the system works like originally designed.

Regards,

Jay

Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: jueston on December 21, 2012, 08:47:06 AM
it sure does look great though, i have lived in a stucco house for a long time and i love the look of it.
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Geeg on December 21, 2012, 11:47:26 PM
Hi jueston and Jay,

Thanks for the input and the concern about this product. I had done quite a bit of research before going with this type of exterior siding. What I had learned was in order for this to be successful, you required a strategic plan of attack. You need to look at the type of EIFS system you wish to install, next you need to prepare the exterior wall to accept the EIFS as well as install the product by someone who knows how to install the product correctly.

I found that the reason or reasons that this type of exterior was failing was due to a number of factors, that being said, there is the "Face Sealed Barrier System" and the "Drainable EIFS System".  The Exterior Insulation and Finish Systems (EIFS) typically consists of five components; Adhesive, Insulation Board or EPS, (attached to the substrate with screws or adhesive), a Base Coat into which Fiberglass Mesh is embedded, and a Decorative Finish Coat of a desired color. This type of system is called a Face Sealed Barrier System, and resists water penetration at its outer surface. It is not intended to drain water that gets behind the system. The next system is the EIFS System known as a Drainable EIFS System, that incorporates channels between the substrate and the EIFS to allow moisture trapped in the system to drain out through weeping holes located at the bottom of the system. The majority of the existing EIFS Cladding Systems are the older faced sealed system.

The next issue that is common is that rot is formed when moisture is sitting directly on the substrate wall surface, in my case it would be the 5/8" OSB. We wrapped the entire outer surface of the house with Tyvek "moisture barrier" and sealed all windows and doors with Grace Vycor Plus flashing. I also need to point out that the installation of the product is critical and with that being said, I did my research there as well and found a installer that has been using this product his entire career and this is the only product that he uses for stucco siding. I managed to look at a few of his installs at over 10 years old, they looked brand new.

Having said this, in life there are go guarantees and the best thing that you can do is be prepared and look at all your scenarios and options. I am happy with the outcome and given my knowledge that I have obtained will keep a close eye on things.

Cheers
Geeg
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: jueston on December 22, 2012, 12:51:35 AM
it sounds like you did your research and went with a good contractor and a well thought out product, with every insulation system there is a balance, we want things to be tight to hold in the warm air, but too tight and then water can't escape.

Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Jay C. White Cloud on December 22, 2012, 02:14:11 AM
Hi Geeg,

I feel much better.  It is lack of research and knowledge by consumers, that so often lead to challenges with these new systems, you did your do diligence.  Being on top of all those possible flaws should give you good success from your system.  Thanks for sharing the details of your instillation.

Regards,

jay
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Jim1611 on December 22, 2012, 03:25:32 PM
I can see why your wife wanted this for a home! Beautiful work!!!
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: WindyAcres on January 04, 2013, 06:25:55 PM
QuoteHi Fabian, thanks for the compliment. Your project sounds really interesting. I plan on constructing my shop the same way, just waiting for the drawings to be finished so I can get the building permit issued. I was thinking of digging the foundation out myself but since I don't want to mess it up, I have decided to have a guy dig it for me, will cost about $600 and he does this all the time. I have planned on going with in-floor heating and a SIP construction with no timbers (don't want the wife confiscating this one too). Keep us posted and make sure to post some pics for us.
Cheers,
Geeg

Hi Geeg! Looks great your home!
I will start building next week (I am very excited, just need to finish my firewood for next year).. I am about to create a new post for my project!
Happy new year!
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Biocmp on January 18, 2013, 07:24:45 PM
Really nice work in this thread. It's fun watching from the sidelines.
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Geeg on February 25, 2013, 02:16:50 PM
Well its been awhile but have a few more pics of the project, have been very busy lately. We finally managed to get the drywall done and started with some priming and painting and staining. The quotes for priming that we got was between 10,500 and 13,000 for one coat of primer. Now I don't know anyone's thoughts are about this but that sounded crazy insane to me. That would mean that it would have cost me over 30,000 just to paint my small little shack and that didn't include staining the beams. That being said, we decided to keep the money too ourselves and prime and paint and stain the beams, will take a little longer but look what we will save!

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Shot looking out the front.
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Looking out the double door to the sun room (not built yet) facing south
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Feature wall, kind of aztec/southwestern to house the 80" TV if the wife approves  :D
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Got the fireplace installed, was just working on finishing the hearth.
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That TV will do for now
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Kitchen, back hall and stairs to the basement
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Spare bedroom primed, painted and stained.
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The electrical was completely finished and setup the spot lights in the corner of the beams, whole house is LED
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Master bedroom, broken window from the drywall guys, that was exspensive  :(
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Stained all the beams upstairs, took 3 long days.
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Finished painting and staining the upstairs bathroom.
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Upstairs shower.
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Shot outside the washroom.
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Need two more sections of scaffolding to finish the lower floor.
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Next on the list is getting my shop done, just finishing with the drawings, will post them soon.
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: jueston on February 25, 2013, 03:31:47 PM
it looks amazing.

for that price i would have painted it myself too.
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Brian_Weekley on February 25, 2013, 06:13:57 PM
Looks fabulous!  I was just wondering if the painting quotes are so high because of all the beams you have to cut around?  It does look very time consuming and tedious since you wouldn't want to get paint on the wood.
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Jay C. White Cloud on February 25, 2013, 06:52:07 PM
Hey Geeg,

Out standing progress... 8) 

I would say it is a the "cut-in," work that jacked the price up.  Most painters are in the $3 to $5 for average paint job per square foot, but you can double that for lots of "cut-in," time.  Do you know how many ft2 of paint surface you have?

Regards,

jay
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Geeg on February 26, 2013, 02:46:41 AM
Thanks Guys,

Jay, the area measured is 5,600 sq/feet @ $2.50/ft for the higher price. Yes there is a lot of cutting since you can't just use masking tape, it will all have to be hand cut but wow, would have to take out a mortgage to pay for that. Good thing I still have a mighty steady hand, good eyes and I am not afraid of heights ;D
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Jay C. White Cloud on February 26, 2013, 09:58:53 AM
Hi Geeg,

I figured about that, price is actually reasonable, for a skilled painter.  I'm sure you know this, but a cut in knife-guard will make the painting around beam much easier.

Good Luck,

jay 
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Geeg on February 26, 2013, 10:19:51 AM
Quote from: Jay C. White Cloud on February 26, 2013, 09:58:53 AM
Hi Geeg,

I figured about that, price is actually reasonable, for a skilled painter.  I'm sure you know this, but a cut in knife-guard will make the painting around beam much easier.

Good Luck,

jay

Hi Jay,

You have a line on a cut in knife-guard? if so please share as you see, I have lots of work to do  :(, thought those things didn't work to well especially around beams?

Cheers
Geeg
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: bigshow on February 26, 2013, 10:23:50 AM
Wow!  that is really something else.
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Jay C. White Cloud on February 26, 2013, 11:13:03 AM
Hi Geeg,

I wish I could show you, it's hard to explain, my mom made most of her's and had hundreds for each specific applicaitons.  I can cover the highlights and maybe you could find a good old local painter with "made skill," to really show you the details of the technique.  Once mastered, you can move really fast.  Its a mix of blocking with the guard and free hand cut in, both.

The guard protects the timber from getting paint on it, but have "wipe rages", detail sander/steel wool close at hand, as you move along.

When painting against a guard, a dryer brush is best, or you risk the chance of capillary effect sucking paint behind the guard.

Take your time to make good corner guards, or you will have to cut this area in by hand.

One person does the cut-in/edge work will somebody else does the field work.  The reason for this is simple, you do a better job if for the extent of the work your muscle memory is tuned to the "finer motor work," not large stroke field work.

Use "props," whenever you can, it saves you muscle strain, fatigue, and makes the work more enjoyable.

I would, for sake of speed, use the same oil wash, (Land Ark,) on the beams and a coat on the walls.  Yes it will darken you color scheme, but if you plan on applying a finish coat of oil on the beams, it is nearly impossible to keep it off the walls. It also give a very nice aged patina.

Small (expensive,) natural hair brushes (like sable,) will make the work easier.  Some folk like the sponge method as well.  Try both and do some practice work where it doesn't show much or on a "mock up."

One coat for cut in, two coats (three is better,) for the field work for good color depth.

Those are the highlights, let me know if I can help further.

Regards,

jay
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Geeg on February 26, 2013, 10:25:59 PM
Thanks Jay,

I think I understand now, unfortunately the wife cannot paint so I will be doing the cut-in/edge work and the field work. Should have some pics in about a year or two or three ;D, don't get much time there, only about 1.5 months a year and this year will be working on the original shop project but should be able to get at it on those rainy days.

Cheers,
Geeg
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Jim_Rogers on February 27, 2013, 08:04:25 AM
Back in 2003, I was hired to saw some beam for a new addition going onto a very old house in Marblehead, MA.
Here is a shot of the last beams we put up:



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These antique beams were not going to be stained. We had to install them without an new cuts showing.

The house was already built.

We had to cut the to the right depth with the sawmill and trim them perfectly to fit together to make them look like they had always been there.

To do this we installed pieces of plywood to the top side of the beams. These pieces of plywood were then screw to the ceiling joists. The ceiling was already strapped for sheet-rock. The plywood was the same thickness as the strapping so the finished ceiling was all the same level.
To protect these beams from getting "mud" on them from the sheet rock guys the general contractor had his helper staple sheets of plastic up tight to the side of the beam. He stapled the plastic into the plywood, and wrapped the plastic around the beam and covered them up. The plastic was held in place with tape. This covered these beams completely so that the guys could come in and hang the sheet rock, mud them, and paint.
I was told that after the painting was done they would take a razor knife and trim the plastic back at the point where the sheet rock met the beam. And if done correctly the plastic wouldn't show.
I searched my pictures of this job and can't find one with the plastic around a beam, but I did see the helper installing them the last day I was there.
I never did see the finished addition.

The kicker was after we had it all done, with no fresh cuts showing, to preserve the original color of the beams, the home owner decided these "brown" beams didn't match the color of the "black" beams in the other side of this house. And that they would be staining the new beams to match.
But then the plastic could be used to protect the sheet rock from the beam stain.

I'm telling this story so that in the future if someone is going to do something similar they could wrap the timbers with plastic and it could/may make things easier.

Jim Rogers
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Jay C. White Cloud on February 27, 2013, 12:29:52 PM
Hey Jim,

That was beautiful work.  Your idea is perfect.  In Asia, often, after a frame is cut, the timbers are wrapped in paper.  The frame is put together only exposing the joints to be fitted.  Then after all the finish work is done, the last step is removing all the paper.  The would looks so fresh and clean!

Regards,

jay
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Geeg on February 28, 2013, 10:25:17 PM
Thanks Jim and Jay, I really wish I had of thought of that out properly before the walls went up but that's hindsight for ya. Nice work there Jim.

Cheers
Geeg
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: frwinks on March 01, 2013, 10:39:56 AM
good to see you back at it ;)  Is that a soapstone stove?  We love our Hearthstone, wouldn't buy anything else. Very cool design and I bet that chimney drafts like a champ :D

Stay warm ;D
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Satamax on March 01, 2013, 12:51:03 PM
Quote from: frwinks on March 01, 2013, 10:39:56 AM
good to see you back at it ;)  Is that a soapstone stove?  We love our Hearthstone, wouldn't buy anything else. Very cool design and I bet that chimney drafts like a champ :D

Stay warm ;D
Hi Frwinks.

Do you know about rocket stoves? Or rocket mass heaters?  ;D
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: frwinks on March 01, 2013, 04:15:15 PM
yup sure do. That's why I said buy not build :D  If I were to build a heater, yes the rocket heater concept is fantastic.  I'm a one man show so I have to choose my battles wisely :snowball: :D  I have a lot of thermal mass in the house already, the soapstone is a great heat sink 8)
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Geeg on March 01, 2013, 08:09:09 PM
Quote from: frwinks on March 01, 2013, 10:39:56 AM
good to see you back at it ;)  Is that a soapstone stove?  We love our Hearthstone, wouldn't buy anything else. Very cool design and I bet that chimney drafts like a champ :D

Stay warm ;D

Hi Frwinks, Ya still at it but going a little to slow for my liking. Our stove is a Bari Hearthstone soapstone, heats up to 1,400 sq. ft. puts out 35,000 BTUs and efficiency of 80% and the cool thing is it swivels 180 degrees. We ended up having to install the optional vent that goes through the basement and vents outside as the house is to air tight, it drafts quite nicely ;)

Heard you guys are having quite a cold winter and a little more snow than last year. Hows your place going?, am sure your keeping nice and warm.

Cheers,
Geeg
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Geeg on April 10, 2013, 09:42:14 AM
So I am still at it, trying to finalize the shop drawings and finally got them back from the engineer and my contractor noticed 2x6 splines between all the SIP panels  :'( which would in effect cause thermal bridging which would defeat the whole purpose of using SIP's. It is a sad day when a SIP (Structural Insulated Panel) cannot hold up a building without being braced by 2x6's. I went back to my designer and told her that we needed to revamp the design using 2x6 stud walls with 2' SilveRboard Rigid Foam Insulation on the exterior. Just waiting for the new drawings that will then go back to the engineer to be stamped. Hey its only money? but the thing that bugs me is that the engineer doe not give a #$@! about anything other than if it will fall down and kill someone and he will be held liable, what about what it is that you are trying to accomplish with the building itself like energy efficiency?

Anyway here are the now old expensive drawings

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Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Jay C. White Cloud on April 10, 2013, 10:14:56 AM
Sorry about that Geeg, I feel your plight.  They pass it off as being insignificant, which in the scoop of the walls R value compared to fenestration, I suppose it is.  However, if I am going to pay the price that the panel company wants, I don't want "any" thermal bridging, that's why we stopped using "stress skins" except maybe on the roof.  There are manufactures that don't have that spline like "Foard" but very expensive.  I have come not to care for the systems in general.  They maybe good in one aspect, fast for contractor construction, but don't make much since in the overall concept of "architectural disentanglement,"  they actually make other jobs way harder, (i.e. wiring, plumbing, modification/alteration, etc.) 

Quotebugs me is that the engineer doe not give a #$@!
Not all PE are that way, that is why I recommend only PE that have done timber framing, and/or truly embrace and love the craft.  They are much more on top of things like this and would have never let this "bridging issue" take place, most likely they would have caught it in the design phase and asked you about it.  I am curious why didn't the person designing the system also didn't bring this up to you, that's there job?  Are they really going to charge you for the re-due the drawings, for things they should have asked about before going to final draft?  Look forward to the new drawings, and hope things go the way you need them to.

Regards,

jay
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: beenthere on April 10, 2013, 11:08:06 AM
Quotethat the engineer doe not give a #$@! about anything other than if it will fall down and kill someone and he will be held liable,

And an engineer that doesn't want to get sued, better be cognizant of that. Whether you lose more heat with the splines is not measurable so no liability.
Good luck getting over the hump. ;)
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: witterbound on April 10, 2013, 08:34:02 PM
Are the splines part of the sip design, or something extra required by your engineer?   The sips we used might have had 2x6s built into them at the sides...don't recall but seems like they did.
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Geeg on April 11, 2013, 12:26:50 AM
Hi Jay, Here is a pic of the spline setup, it is missing the 1" sq void running down the center of the two panels that gets filled with foam after the panels have been put together but this is what was done on the house but I guess that since the timber frame is the main structure, it does not need structural splines.

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When the designer came up with the drawings, she asked the town if they need an engineers stamp and they told her that yes they do. She forwarded the plans to an engineer that she uses who altered the drawings quite substantially, for instance, he added 2 rooms for extra building support, and these 4 stabilizer wall supports that stick out from the wall 2' and go from floor to ceiling (seriously?). Unfortunately I will have to pay for the change in drawings as well as another engineers stamp.

Hi beenthere, You are absolutely correct but it is very disheartening that something was not said before he went ahead and made all these changes without mentioning the consequences. You can always get over that hump with a little extra time and moe money.

Hi witterbound, The splines in the drawing above is the standard way of attaching the panels together, the engineer added 2x6 splines for structural strength and yes, at the corners of the building there is normally 2x6 attached to the ends like the pic below.

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Regards,
Geeg
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Geeg on August 01, 2013, 03:51:30 AM
Have had some time now for a little update with my shop project. I managed to get 3 weeks back in June to clear an area for the shop and dig the foundation, lay the footings and help with the foundation block wall construction. Lost about 10lbs during this time but loved every min of it. Managed to get some pics of the build and some videos uploaded to my youtube channel, this can be found here, http://www.youtube.com/user/TheLumberjackShack

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Shot from the house looking up to the clearing

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The Kubota doing its thing.

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Got a fire permit and started burning, even had the fire supervisor come out for a visit after I called the town to let them know if they get a call about a rather large fire in my area not to bother coming out, guess this intrigued them enough to check it out.

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Good thing, the area was quite wet.

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More clearing, took 4 days to clear the entire area.

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Digging the foundation.

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Working on getting the footings setup.

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Block walls finished and the 2" amvic foam was attached.

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The inspection was done and passed, now time to back fill.

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Slinging the sand.

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Stone was slung as well and then 2" Amvic foam insulation was laid and sealed and wire mesh installed.

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A shot of the house in relation to the shop.

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Have to clear the rest of the area back to the white pine in the background and backfill and lay pitrun, probably next year.

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In-floor pex tubing was laid to heat the floor in the winter.

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Tubing was connected and pressurized to make sure there was no leaks before the pour.

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Finished product, turned out quite good, nice and smooth.

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A Canadian toony for good luck, worth about $1.94 USD  ;D

Will post more pics as they come in as I am unfortunately not there to supervise or help out  :( The frame was started a couple days ago.
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Morewood on August 03, 2013, 06:31:40 PM
What model is the Kubota that you are using ?
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Dave Shepard on August 03, 2013, 07:36:52 PM
Looks like a KX 080.
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Geeg on August 04, 2013, 08:54:52 AM
Yes, its a KX 080-3
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: irishcountry on August 06, 2013, 10:49:30 AM
  What a awesome thread !! Great build !
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Geeg on August 08, 2013, 01:56:21 AM
Quote from: irishcountry on August 06, 2013, 10:49:30 AM
  What a awesome thread !! Great build !

Thanks irishcountry.

I have been getting some images from my contractor over the last week with an update of the shop, sure wish I was there to help out but unfortunately have to work to pay for this little project :(

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2 walls went up in the first day, good progress. This is one of the GC's helper standing in the man door.

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Installing the end truss

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The GC's guard dog

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3 walls up and ready for truss installation.

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Dan showing where the wall will be for the office.

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A couple of shots from my surveillance cameras, tight fit

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Crane truck arrives on site and yes that is a woman.

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The first of 24 truss's, took 7 hours to complete.

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Adding some bracing.

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Not bad for a days work, good going guys!

Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Geeg on August 21, 2013, 02:30:32 AM
Managed to get some more shots of the shop construction.

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Sheeting the roof

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Shot of the front side

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Shot of the rear

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Shot of the rear again with the 2" amvic insulation.

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Foam installation

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Framing the interior walls, office, washroom and finishing room.

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Foam insulation completed, next the strapping and the shingles go on tomorrow.
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Geeg on August 23, 2013, 01:13:02 AM
The shingles went up over the last couple of days. The exterior Insulation has been completed and they will seal all joints and then install tyvek over the entire structure and will strap the walls for the exterior siding. The misses and me decided since this will be the lumberjack shack, we should make it look like one so we plan on using red pine live edge for the siding and vertical board and batten for the gable ends, the question is I wonder if I need to dry the siding before I put it up or just install wet?

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Live edge siding we plan on using.
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Brian_Weekley on August 23, 2013, 05:34:23 AM
For a minute, I thought you had just put tin over your shingles.  I was thinking that guy must wear belts with his suspenders.   :D
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Satamax on August 24, 2013, 03:12:20 AM
Quote from: Brian_Weekley on August 23, 2013, 05:34:23 AM
For a minute, I thought you had just put tin over your shingles.  I was thinking that guy must wear belts with his suspenders.   :D

That's a funny expression.

I speak UK english and suspenders (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspenders) are not braces :D  And i pictured that in my head  :D

Tho, in uk, wearing belt and braces, or just "belt and braces" is making sure something is safe or right. like putting four nails in a piece of wood when only one would have been enough. That's belt and braces. Sometimes used for someone very cautious, "he's wearing belt and braces" meaning he's so cautious, that he made sure his trousers won't fall.  Never heard that for describing someone crazy.

edit: Oops, my bad, i miss understood what you meant. Anyway, i live it as it is. Just to imagine someone holding his suspenders with a belt made me laugh.

edit number 2: Where i live about 5000', there's a few houses which have shingles over tin, for looks. A real pain to work on it, like changing skylights and such.
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Geeg on July 21, 2014, 11:02:29 AM
Well its been awhile since I have posted. I finally got some time off to head back home and work a little on the house and the shop. I picked up a new tractor and dug out a 200' trench from the house to the shop to run water and power. I had some time over the winter to work on my TF plans for the addition of the sun room, mud room and screened in porch. I am planing on milling some red pines for timbers and should start on that in the spring when I get my new sawmill. I am hoping to get the electrical installed in the shop and work on getting some insulation installed and some drywall hung but unfortunately I don't have much time this year to get much done, at least the weather has been good.

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Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: WDH on July 21, 2014, 08:16:54 PM
That is one heck of a trench  :). 
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Dave Shepard on July 21, 2014, 08:29:39 PM
Yeah, but too bad he failed his Hoisting Engineers license when he straddled it. :D
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: thecfarm on July 21, 2014, 09:40:43 PM
I had a trench dug from the house to the garden for a water line. A little dirt and MANY rocks was unearthed.
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Geeg on July 21, 2014, 10:41:13 PM
Quote from: Dave Shepard on July 21, 2014, 08:29:39 PM
Yeah, but too bad he failed his Hoisting Engineers license when he straddled it. :D

Ya, I skipped that day and just made an uneducated guess.  ;D
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Ljohnsaw on July 22, 2014, 01:40:10 AM
Wow, that is a pretty trench.  Not like mine (500') -

Before (looking up hill):


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And almost the same shot (a little further down the hill),  the big cedar is in the middle of the background - note the big rocks and a very ugly trench:


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And further down the hill - a rock that could not be moved out of the way.  It doesn't look like it but the trench is about 30" deep.



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Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Geeg on July 22, 2014, 02:49:55 AM
Hi John,

That is one knarly trench nice job!. I like the way you just re-routed the pipe around the rocks. BTW, I like the cedar's you have. What kind of equipment did you use to trench with?

Not much rocks where I am, just sand and clay with only a few rocks as large as a 10". I got a little board of digging and had some beam staining to do inside the house so since I have the best wife in the world, I showed her how to operate the backhoe, funny thing is she loved it!

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Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: thecfarm on July 22, 2014, 07:33:43 AM
ljohnsaw,That's more like it.  :(   That is just about how mine looked. geeg trench looks like it was dug on a beach.  ;D  Lucky him.
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Ljohnsaw on July 22, 2014, 11:52:36 AM
Quote from: Geeg on July 22, 2014, 02:49:55 AM
Hi John,

That is one knarly trench nice job!. I like the way you just re-routed the pipe around the rocks. BTW, I like the cedar's you have. What kind of equipment did you use to trench with?

<<snip>>

I hired a backhoe operator.  He has a big Case with an extendable boom.  He had to cut a road in, dig my leach field (where all the dirt was - 8' deep and no rocks in the test pits) and then dig the trench back up the hill.  I used my Yamaha 550 with a snow plow to back fill the leach field and the trench.  I had to clean out the trench by hand, which took about 4 days (while laying the pipe) and then spent another 3 or 4 days back filling.  I shoveled the clean dirt back in until I had enough cover and then tossed the rocks in and then plowed more dirt on top.  I spent $9k on the backhoe work - I suppose I could have bought a used one for that price... :-\
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Geeg on July 22, 2014, 09:45:27 PM
Wow, what a job that was, guess I got off lucky. 9K, man I am in the wrong business!, wish I could make that cash for digging holes, well at least ones with no rocks  :D
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Geeg on September 30, 2015, 12:23:27 PM
Took longer than expected buying the mill and getting everything setup to get the siding on the "shack" its not called the shop anymore, its called the lumberjack shack, shack for short. Managed to get the siding put up  as it came off the mill and also added a lean-too to the rear to store the mill and all the implements for the tractor. Took us 4 weeks to get this all done from sun up to sun down, even the wife helped out with slinging logs and working around the mill. In total we cut down 25 red pine and 1 poplar for the roof rafters for the lean-to, what beautiful fall weather!. Also managed to slab some white pine and red oak. Enjoy the pics.

Geeg

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Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: tule peak timber on September 30, 2015, 12:42:30 PM
WOW !! What a beauty ! 8) 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Brian_Weekley on September 30, 2015, 02:05:54 PM
I like it.  Looks great!
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: WDH on September 30, 2015, 08:12:22 PM
Did you peel the bark off the siding?
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: thecfarm on September 30, 2015, 08:30:25 PM
WDH,He did not peel the bark off,his wife did it!!
That looks mighty nice.
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Geeg on September 30, 2015, 09:16:34 PM
Thanks guys,

Quote from: thecfarm on September 30, 2015, 08:30:25 PM
WDH,He did not peel the bark off,his wife did it!!
That looks mighty nice.

Ha ha, she worked hard but not that hard. Used a 10" taping knife once the boards came off the mill, the bark comes off like butter. All ends were anchor sealed before they were installed to help with the checking.
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: AK Newbie on September 30, 2015, 09:24:39 PM
Spectacular!! 
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Haggis on October 01, 2015, 09:57:00 AM
I love the live edge siding!! I think you just convinced me to do that when I build my workshop.
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: samandothers on October 04, 2015, 12:22:07 PM
Been catching up on this thread so lots of things to note. 

I like the tractor loader backhoe!  While mine is smaller it is a great tool.  Backhoe is particularly fun to use.  I have used it for ditches but also to dig up or dig around small trees to push the over when clearing.

Love the siding work.  Is the live edge tapered so the top edge is thinner for over Lapping?

Concerning the shed, what size and how far apart are the posts?  How deep are the posts and did you back fill with gravel the entire depth.  What size is the beam the rafters are resting on?

Ok enough questions for now.  Great looking 'shack'!   
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Geeg on October 05, 2015, 12:53:38 AM
Quote from: samandothers on October 04, 2015, 12:22:07 PM
Been catching up on this thread so lots of things to note. 

I like the tractor loader backhoe!  While mine is smaller it is a great tool.  Backhoe is particularly fun to use.  I have used it for ditches but also to dig up or dig around small trees to push the over when clearing.

Love the siding work.  Is the live edge tapered so the top edge is thinner for over Lapping?

Concerning the shed, what size and how far apart are the posts?  How deep are the posts and did you back fill with gravel the entire depth.  What size is the beam the rafters are resting on?

Ok enough questions for now.  Great looking 'shack'!

Hi samandothers,

I agree about the backhoe, I love the thing, just don't particularly love putting it on and usually when I do, it stays on for as long as possible.

The siding is not tapered, I cut it at 1" thick, so basically cut the log through and through and rotated 90 degrees and cut 9", 8" and 7" boards.

The shed is 47'x13' and the posts are 11'6" apart. Due to my location I had to dig 4' and I dropped in a pre-formed concrete pad, dropped the treated posts in the hole and back filled with 1" gravel, no tamping required as the posts were solid after adding the gravel. Posts are 8x8 and the beams are 2x 2x12 carriage bolted with 2x8 rafters. It is kind of overkill but due to the building code, I had to increase the size due to using my own wood.
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: samandothers on October 05, 2015, 07:55:06 PM
Yes my back hoe goes on in fall for stuff and then off in spring when the bush hog is needed.  Though the sub frame and the way it mounts is not bad.  I spend more time taking the 3 point hitch draft arms on and off!

Thanks for answering the questions.  It is a great looking build! 
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Piston on October 11, 2015, 07:45:32 PM
What a great thread you have going here!  I'm enjoying catching up on the pics and progress.  I really love the way the siding came out on the shack.  Are you going to stain it?  If so, with what?

I've been working on my own project, which I may just mill some live edge siding for now, after seeing your photos.  (My "project" consists of a small chicken coop, not exactly a shack by your standards  :D)

Is the excavator yours, or the contractors?  I rented a mini ex kubota and about fell in love. 
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Geeg on October 11, 2015, 11:04:22 PM
Quote from: Piston on October 11, 2015, 07:45:32 PM
What a great thread you have going here!  I'm enjoying catching up on the pics and progress.  I really love the way the siding came out on the shack.  Are you going to stain it?  If so, with what?

I've been working on my own project, which I may just mill some live edge siding for now, after seeing your photos.  (My "project" consists of a small chicken coop, not exactly a shack by your standards  :D)

Is the excavator yours, or the contractors?  I rented a mini ex kubota and about fell in love.

Hi Matt,

Thanks for your accolades, I managed to also get the stain done just before leaving, took about 4 hours. We used http://www.valhalco.com/ lifetime wood treatment, and used a hand sprayer, in the pics you can see from the start to the finish with the last pic there is a change in colour to the wood, this happens hours after spraying. It was easy to apply and I think it looks great and also knowing that there is nothing to do in the future to protect the wood is a plus!

The kubota excavator was a friends who help me out a little with clearing some bush, but sure wish it was mine as I could think of many things to do with it.
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Windyhill on October 15, 2015, 11:27:37 AM
Super job!
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Geeg on August 10, 2018, 04:21:30 AM
Shop Update. Well, Its been 2 years and the shop is finally back in my sites, been busy with other projects and one thing leads to another and your shop just ends up filling with stuff, amazing how that happens :D

Emptied the shop to install all the insulation, got a quote and decided to do it myself. I do however after completing this project respect the heck out of this trade but have decided that I will never install insulation, ever again. I started with having to strap the entire ceiling with 1x3 16" on centre since the truss system was spaced at 24". The insulation bats were able to slide in between the strapping. I used R22 Rockwall and doubled them up between trusses giving me R44 in the roof. Single bats of R22 went into the wall and with the 2" foam gives us R32 in the walls.

I also built a second story above the finishing room and office, I will dig out some photos of this. There was substantial time spent on electrical that needed to be added to the shop as well to make sure we have enough light throughout the building since we don't have many windows.


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Buddy our, rescue dog. Very loyal and a little to smart at times.
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: samandothers on August 10, 2018, 10:22:47 AM
Wow just looking at all that insulation made me tired.  I also reread the thread. I really admire the work you and your wife performed on the house and 'shack'.  

I really dislike painting but dislike paying so much for something I can do, though usually no where as good as a professional.  I bet you got pretty good at painting by the end of your house adventures!  What finish did you use on your frame?

Y'all have done a very nice job, looks good!  
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Geeg on August 10, 2018, 08:39:53 PM
Quote from: samandothers on August 10, 2018, 10:22:47 AM
Wow just looking at all that insulation made me tired.  I also reread the thread. I really admire the work you and your wife performed on the house and 'shack'.  

I really dislike painting but dislike paying so much for something I can do, though usually no where as good as a professional.  I bet you got pretty good at painting by the end of your house adventures!  What finish did you use on your frame?

Y'all have done a very nice job, looks good!  
Thank you, Its been a long road but worth every minute we have spent on it and have saved so much doing it this way. We used a double boil linseed oil mixed with some minwax, not sure the colour but can hunt it down if your interested. Thanks again for your accolades.
Geeg
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: samandothers on August 10, 2018, 10:02:46 PM
No need to look it up.  We may use Heritage on our frame.  I don't think I will be staining it though, not fond of heights! I also don't want to hold the builder up.

What will be the primary function of your 'shack'?
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Geeg on August 11, 2018, 05:58:33 AM
Ya, I was not really fond of heights as well but after awhile you kind of get use to it. The primary function of the shack will be manufacturing of wood products, funny I just got notice (wife) that it will be called the studio and not the shack and she talks about her studio when talking to other people, think I just lost my man space... dang :-\
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Geeg on August 13, 2018, 02:14:42 AM
Got a quote on drywall :o, decided to just do it myself, how hard could it be ::)


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Pic of the upper floor completed.


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Rented a skyjack to put up the drywall, should make the job much easier. Had to fork it up the hill since the skyjack was just spinning its wheels.


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First load of drywall.
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: J 5 on August 13, 2018, 05:19:32 AM
        Just went through your thread , amazing job , that's going to be a great spot to call home when you decide to retire .   Congrats .
                                                J 5
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: DWyatt on August 13, 2018, 09:07:04 AM
Quote from: Geeg on August 13, 2018, 02:14:42 AM
Got a quote on drywall :o, decided to just do it myself, how hard could it be ::)
I suppose you will find out :D If it's like many of my projects that I "save money" by doing myself, you will be happy you didn't hire someone and at the same time under your breath you will be cussing yourself for not hiring someone :D 
Good Luck and Amazing work on all of the buildings! 8)
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: samandothers on August 13, 2018, 09:15:01 AM
Stagger the seams!  I have known someone who did not do that.   ::)    I'll admit I didn't do the finishing. 

Judging by the rest of your work you will do a great job!
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Ljohnsaw on August 13, 2018, 09:39:03 AM
Nice trailer - doesn't look like it had any trouble with that load!  Putting the sheet rock up is the easy part.  ;) Buy (HF) or rent a lift for the rock since you got 12' goods.  Then, hire someone to tape and mud it!  That's where the art comes in.
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: TimFromNB on August 13, 2018, 12:21:24 PM
Just tuning in...great work!
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Leigh Family Farm on August 14, 2018, 11:50:34 AM
Quote from: ljohnsaw on August 13, 2018, 09:39:03 AM
Nice trailer - doesn't look like it had any trouble with that load!  Putting the sheet rock up is the easy part.  ;) Buy (HF) or rent a lift for the rock since you got 12' goods.  Then, hire someone to tape and mud it!  That's where the art comes in.
I second hiring someone to tape and mud. That was the most time consuming part for my drywall install a couple of years ago. Tradesmen theses days can tape & mud way faster than you and it always looks cleaner too. 
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Geeg on August 19, 2018, 03:51:10 AM
Got the stairs up, just tacked in for now. They were a little tight but does not interfere with door access. I plan on doing all the taping and muding myself, I am kind of looking forward to giving it a try, besides I just can't see paying for something that I could do.

Including a video (at the bottom) link of the ceiling panel install. I built a 2x4 frame on the skylift with the ceiling pitch so that it would make installing the panels easier. The drywall was the new light weight stuff,  lol there was nothing light about it... don't even want to know what the old stuff weighed in at.


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Offsite  Photo link deleted by Admin, refer to pic posting rules

I know the forum rules, The link was a video, not a PHOTO LINK.

Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Jeff on August 20, 2018, 07:31:44 AM
You can use youtube or vimeo to post a video. 
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Geeg on August 28, 2018, 07:17:41 AM
Drywalls done, painting is done and LED lights are in (reminds me of being in a dentist office), installed 2 fans. Was a bigger job than I expected but enjoyed the challenge and happy with the results, glad I had the skylift, would have been impossible if I had to climb up ladders and scaffolding all day. Just have to get the electrician in to finish with the heavy amp stuff. Going to try and sand and prep the floors for epoxy next week. then will install a fireplace in the main shop just in time for winter. Will sure be nice to have this completed so I can get my equipment in and setup. Will post more pics later.


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LED's are 2'x2' 1/4" flat panel and use 45w for a total of 900w in the main shop. I can shut half off when all the light is not needed.

Once the floor is finished, I need to add more drywall around the base of the exterior walls to cover the 2" foam that is against the concrete block foundation. Will tape, mud, paint and cap with a pine sill, wish it was all flush but that's the way the building was designed?

Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Crusarius on August 28, 2018, 07:54:50 AM
What lights did you end up using? How much they cost? Looks like real nice light but the ones they used where I work are $250 a piece. I can't swallow that.
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Geeg on August 28, 2018, 09:18:00 AM
Quote from: Crusarius on August 28, 2018, 07:54:50 AM
What lights did you end up using? How much they cost? Looks like real nice light but the ones they used where I work are $250 a piece. I can't swallow that.
These are the lights https://www.ledwholesalers.com/v2/index.php?route=product/product&path=139&product_id=1003
I paid $110CAD so about $85US which for the quality, I felt was a great price, there is no visible lines, just light emitting from the whole panel.
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Crusarius on August 28, 2018, 09:22:16 AM
they seem pretty durable? like if I were to wack them with a 2x4 when moving it around in the shop? I have a low ceiling and they would see alot of accidental strikes
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Crusarius on August 28, 2018, 09:33:34 AM
ooh they have a 1x4 version as well.
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Geeg on August 28, 2018, 09:35:43 AM
Yes they are. When I went to the store to have a look at them, the sales guy dropped it on the floor by mistake, still worked :D
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Crusarius on August 28, 2018, 09:40:31 AM
so guessing they are not glass panels?
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: Geeg on August 28, 2018, 10:02:18 AM
Correct, they are plastic and quite light for the size.
Title: Re: Building my dream Shop
Post by: TimFromNB on August 28, 2018, 12:40:23 PM
That is what you call lighting!  ;D