One of my buds runs a 385 non stop. Getting older. Wants a new saw. Wants similar power in a lighter package to pull a 24in bar. My suggestion was to let me build him his old style 372 with a 372xpw top end, new bearings & seals.... no base gasket & my typical tweaks etc. Mostly OEM...good torque.. a lot lighter than a 390.. a mild build that doesn't push the components too hard.
He wants new. Did his "on line" research and has decided to chase a 576 a local dealer has for 900 bucks with a 24in B&C. $$900??? That sounds really pricy when he can get 390 for approx. $1000 with bar & chain & tax from the same place!
SO Why a 576 vs. a 372xp or 372xp built into a 372XPW??
He can still buy a new 372. If I wanted a smaller saw that's what I'd buy. I'm not familiar with a 376 but I have run a 375. If I had to earn a living with that I pump gas instead.
I like the 372 myself, good power to weight and balanced well, a little lighter than a 576.
I have no answer to that question, other than when a guy wants something sometimes he just has to get it. I personally would go 372xpw of those options, maybe he needs to do his "online research" in a different place. ??? :D Good luck with him and the new or "new" saw either way. :)
Quote from: Jhenderson on August 29, 2015, 06:19:08 PM
He can still buy a new 372. If I wanted a smaller saw that's what I'd buy. I'm not familiar with a 376 but I have run a 375. If I had to earn a living with that I pump gas instead.
LOL I'm assuming that's 576 & 575 that would lead you to pumping gas...
Any 372 version is a great saw and feels a lot lighter in the hands than the 576's I have run. I don't know the actual weights but, the 576's feel the same weight as my 385 XP. I'm sure they aren't but, I'm also sure they aren't a lot heavier than the 372's either. They just feel this way to me.
I run about 3 gallons of gas today through my 385 cutting logging butt offs and, crotch wood into firewood. That is where this big saw really shines. It is a hoss. However, while I love that saw, after going through the big stuff and moving into the 4-10 inch stuff found in the tops, I am simply pooped from swinging that saw out in front of me for 6 hours. I was wishing for my 372 my uncle is borrowing. It would have been much better. I can't see where the 576 would have made in difference in felt weight versus the 385. But, know I would have noticed a difference if felt weight using the 372. I'd go with the 372 all day, every day.
In my opinion, there is no better saw made in pound versus output than a 372 or 440. Especially a tricked out one that can pull those longer bars with ease through big hardwoods. So, the decision would be simple for me if I didn't want to run a 385 any more. I'd buy a tired ole 372, go back through it and put a new lower end and, let you build the top end. It is the perfect saw. I think you will agree after watching many of your videos online. ;D God Bless
Edit: BTW, I'm no expert either.
A 576XP Auto tune is smoother and will pull a 32" b/c better then any 372.
The 576 AT has been around for over 5 years now and is a proven performer.
From my contacts info in the PNW many timber fallers are replacing their 390XP's with 576XP AT's
No real difference in weight between a 372 or a 576. The thicker top handle of the 576 fools a lot of people making them think it's heavier.
I'm sold on autotune. If I were buying new, between those two saws I'd probably get the 576.
Quote from: HolmenTree on August 29, 2015, 11:55:44 PM
A 576XP Auto tune is smoother and will pull a 32" b/c better then any 372.
The 576 AT has been around for over 5 years now and is a proven performer.
From my contacts info in the PNW many timber fallers are replacing their 390XP's with 576XP AT's
No real difference in weight between a 372 or a 576. The thicker top handle of the 576 fools a lot of people making them think it's heavier.
Better than a 372xpw built at .020 squish? And do you think the 576 is going to be around in the Husqvarna product offerings for a while vs. the 372XT? I do agree they are smoother with more torque than any X-torq 365/372. Worked on a 575 a month or so ago, they were built heavy. Haven't worked on a 576 yet. I too am a fan of Autotune. Wish Husqvarna didn't drop the 455 auto tune! ::)
Most guys in the tree business seem to prefer the 576 over the NE 372 x-torx saws.
Just to compare PHO dry weights.
http://chainsawrepair.createaforum.com/husqvarna/husqvarna-pho-weights/
OE 372 the ones I liked. 14lb 3.5oz
385 16lbs 7.3oz
NE x-torx 372 xt 14lb 6.3oz
575 15lb 4.8oz
576 15lb 7oz
390 16lb 3oz
I ran a 576 non-AT demo saw when they first came out at one of my gtg's and they were ballsy in the cut compared to stock 372. In other words more torque.
The 576 Auto Tune runs even stronger then the 576 non AT.
Quote from: Cut4fun on August 30, 2015, 03:08:12 PM
Most guys in the tree business seem to prefer the 576 over the NE 372 x-torx saws.
Just to compare PHO dry weights.
http://chainsawrepair.createaforum.com/husqvarna/husqvarna-pho-weights/
OE 372 the ones I liked. 14lb 3.5oz
385 16lbs 7.3oz
NE x-torx 372 xt 14lb 6.3oz
575 15lb 4.8oz
576 15lb 7oz
390 16lb 3oz
I ran a 576 non-AT demo saw when they first came out at one of my gtg's and they were ballsy in the cut compared to stock 372. In other words more torque.
According to the offical Husqvarna website:
372XP XT 14.11 lbs
576 XP 14.55 lbs
576XP AT 14.99 lbs
390 XP 15.65 lbs
Pretty sure C4F has all the weights posted right on the scale over on csr. Same scales used with pics to verify.
http://www.husqvarna.com/ca/en/forest/products/xp-saws/husqvarna-chainsaws-xp-saws/
Wonder why that much weight difference on the AT vs. non AT
Micro processor , wiring and hardware probably add up. Not sure if they both have the same 2 barrel carb.
Here's 3 nice new 576XP Auto tune I had 5 yrs ago for the speed competition.
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But a 372XPW at .020 can't be bought at his local dealer. 'course there's this guy in Cortland I know who can build one. :) 576 and 372XT will ride into the sunset together in about 18 months or so when the new saw I can't talk about replaces them.
For a guy who hates vibration as much as you do, the 576 would be a Godsend. As smooth as your 555. This is almost a "forgotten chassis" for Husky. Guess I need to bring one up to the farm next trip so you can experience it, eh? (I did have a 576AT up there a few years ago the very first time I came up BTW.) Willard's overall assessment is pretty accurate IMO.
Weight generalizations in this thread are a bit off. The 575 was indeed heavier and closer to a 385 than the original 372. But the 576 lost weight, while the 372XT gained weight and they are now pretty much the same in feel. (Except those vibes!).
Willard: Are those all G models on your tailgate? They have the low top air filter cover. (Which Walt has a thing for. LOL) The only G available in the states was the non-AT version. I did manage to score a couple 576XPGW's before they went away. Properly tuned, a regular 576 will stay with the AT, but the AT is obviously better at staying at the top of it's game.
Quote from: Spike60 on September 02, 2015, 09:25:38 AM
Willard: Are those all G models on your tailgate? They have the low top air filter cover. (Which Walt has a thing for. LOL) The only G available in the states was the non-AT version. I did manage to score a couple 576XPGW's before they went away. Properly tuned, a regular 576 will stay with the AT, but the AT is obviously better at staying at the top of it's game.
Bob, not G models. These are the very early 2009 units if I remember correctly. I'm with Walt I like the low top model too. Why does a saw that has the best air filtration on the market need a bigger air filter?
But I can see the HD filter high top being a good seller in the PNW where the 576 appears to have received a good customer base. ... low top would look out of place matched up with those long bars. :D
It's hard to beat the new and used factory and aftermarket parts availability for the good ol' 372xp....
Quote from: HolmenTree on August 30, 2015, 11:25:41 PM
Quote from: Cut4fun on August 30, 2015, 03:08:12 PM
Most guys in the tree business seem to prefer the 576 over the NE 372 x-torx saws.
Just to compare PHO dry weights.
http://chainsawrepair.createaforum.com/husqvarna/husqvarna-pho-weights/
OE 372 the ones I liked. 14lb 3.5oz
385 16lbs 7.3oz
NE x-torx 372 xt 14lb 6.3oz
575 15lb 4.8oz
576 15lb 7oz
390 16lb 3oz
I ran a 576 non-AT demo saw when they first came out at one of my gtg's and they were ballsy in the cut compared to stock 372. In other words more torque.
According to the offical Husqvarna website:
372XP XT 14.11 lbs
576 XP 14.55 lbs
576XP AT 14.99 lbs
390 XP 15.65 lbs
I should have said, weights posted are ACTUAL weights. Not wishing what they were on printed paper like you show from husky. :D
Kevin , there's probably a 1/2 lb of bar oil and sawdust on those saws you weighed.
Not including the fuel and bar oil in the carb, oil pump and lines. :D
Something I've come across in my industry is that all the 5 series auto tune saws and even more so on the Stihl auto tune saws don't work well unless they are running flat out. Log home builders tend to do around 30-50% of their time at part throttle and the auto tune saws tend to seize within a month when run that way. I've heard from some of the firefighters that the smoke also screws up the auto tune saws. It makes sense that the otherwise older outdated model of 372 wouldn't still be around unless there was a demand the 576 couldn't fill.
I have more 372s come through my shop more than any other saw. That is because of the number of loggers I have for clients. The 576 comes at me from time to time. Great saws for a guy that pays his bills with a saw. You asked for experts... I shouldn't place myself in that category but I think the 372 would be my preference.