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Started by cutter88, November 09, 2014, 05:31:36 PM

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cutter88

delivered a guy a 5 face ford load of wood in august he's never paid me, I got a hold of him last week he told me to f off he wasn't paying... any suggestions >:(
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barbender

When I hauled wood, wood didn't hit the ground until payment was in hand. I don't know what, if any, recourse you have now.
Too many irons in the fire

clww

Most of my suggestions aren't legal.
I would chalk this up as a life/business lesson. I only deal with reputable buyers and I only accept cash.
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kwatvrider

Not sure how it works there but in Va. you can get a warrant in debt and take the person to civil court. It would be General District Court b/c of the value.
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Billbob

Like the other gents stated it is a civil matter. :-\  Your only recourse is to take him to small claims court.  As well I would touch base with some of the other firewood suppliers in your area and give them his name and address so that they can steer clear of him as well.  No since others falling into the same misfortune.
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cutter88

Can I take a police officer with me and go get it
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Holmes

Quote from: cutter88 on November 09, 2014, 07:33:52 PM
Can I take a police officer with me and go get it
That would be trespassing unless the wood is on a public way.
Think like a farmer.

Firewoodjoe

Bad deal. I've been lucky and only had one issue and he paid. I've had friends stand face to face yelling with spit flying and they didn't pay. The problem with wood is there's no proof. No SN or VIN. You have to be a good judge of carrector and stay till they pay. If not then call the cops and your still there with the wood and the truck. Good luck😁

drobertson

Sounds bad, real bad, not sure what to do, take some pictures if it's still there?  go to court, maybe help him burn it?
only have a few chain saws I'm not suppose to use, but will at times, one dog Dolly, pretty good dog, just not sure what for yet,  working on getting the gardening back in order, and kinda thinking on maybe a small bbq bizz,  thinking about it,

husky2100

Find out when no one is home and take it back but it won't be bad if a cop was their

36 coupe

Bum idea..Sheriffs will summons him to civil court here.In the future do not load or unload until you have cash payment in your pocket.

Thewoodman

its theft, he never intended to pay you at all. Talk to the cops. Gain from fraud etc
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codemunk3y

Did he say why he's not paying?

Talk to the cops- it's stealing.

It might just need a third party to negotiate what's going on

Billbob

Quote from: cutter88 on November 09, 2014, 07:33:52 PM
Can I take a police officer with me and go get it

In Canada if you make an agreement, verbal or otherwise, to receive payment for goods or services then that is a contract.  Contracts are civil matters.  The police only deal in criminal matters.  Unfortunately the police will refuse to accompany you to buddy's property.  They will tell you to get a lawyer or go to small claims court. I'm not 100% positive it is the same in the USA but would be pretty much the same way depending on which State.  In my books and yours, it is theft.  But the law makes that determination.  I'll bet money though that this guy is well known to the police.
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ely

I would call the fire dept. because that wood would definitely be on fire.

Mooseherder

Small Claims court should take care of this.  I think it is your best option.  He'll pay you before the court date if he is smart.

LittleJohn

...so Lighting hit his wood pile  ;)
Quote from: ely on November 10, 2014, 09:00:15 AM
I would call the fire dept. because that wood would definitely be on fire.
...or maybe a misplaced lit cigarette  :D

mart

While it is tempting to seek retribution, if you go on his property at this point you'll be trespassing and in the wrong. Take him to small claims court, get a judgment and then if you still haven't been paid you have the option to place a lien on his property and/or vehicles. That may not get you paid but he will be unable to sell those things until the lien is satisfied. With a judgement you may also be able to report him to a credit reporting service which will make getting credit difficult for him. Some states will let you recover your property with a judgment and a sheriff escort.

It's a sad commentary on today's society that we cannot go deal with this man to man but that's the society we as Americans have allowed to develop.

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Cuttr88
Take him to small claims court.
When I delivered firewood I never unloaded until I had cash in hand checks were limited to a select group of repeat customers.
I dealt in full 8 ft cords, minimum 3 cd load (20 yrs ago) and I never chiseled on the load the customer always got a little extra.
I never advertised word got around from satisfied customers and I had all the orders that I could handle in fact too many as the lots I cut on shares were heavy to softwood not lots of birch or black ash.
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DeerMeadowFarm

Unless you have some sort of receipt saying he received it you'll have a hard time getting any money back. I run into the same issue with hay customers (people with horses are the worst). I don't unload unless payment is in hand. I have very few customers I let pay me with a check, only one in fact and he doesn't have horses otherwise I wouldn't.

I think the best bet would be to talk to any of the other local wood sellers; tell them what's up and black ball him. He's going to be in trouble if you're the only one who will sell to him; which of course, he'd have to pay you for what he owes you first.

My FIL used to sell cordwood. My BIL went to deliver a load to his highschool football coach once. The deal my FIL insisted on was cash in your hand before you dump the wood. We got to the coach's house (who was an adze in my opinion anyway) and of course he has no cash, would we take a check? I turned to go back to the truck to leave when my BIL says "sure". I told him on the side that he was nuts and his dad was going to kill him but he kept saying that it was his coach. Of course, the check bounced and my BIL ended up paying for the wood. Lesson learned!

Good luck!

Thewoodman

When it comes to life's requirements people will try it on. It doesn't surprise me about the hay, horse people are nuts any way and can get pretty obsessed by them.
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Skidder Kev

That is a bummer getting stiffed on the firewood,  One thing I will say is don't go and load it back up,  it will make the problem even worse.  My wife is in account receivable and does lots of collections, so if you want a bit of help or to see what you can do just send me a PM and I can ask her for you

Kev

Busy Beaver Lumber

I would make a second delivery to his house. This time it would be a dump truck of extremely heavy rocks dumped right in the entrance to his driveway.  >:(
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Quote from: Busy Beaver Lumber on November 10, 2014, 05:21:53 PM
I would make a second delivery to his house. This time it would be a dump truck of extremely heavy rocks dumped right in the entrance to his driveway.  >:(
Got any pig farms near by that would be better than rocks
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Alexanderthelate

I know how I would deal with it. My attitude for these sort of situations is that he will pay the money- whether to me or someone else. Luckily I've never once been stiffed for work I've done.

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