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Re: Cord of wood on a 1\2 ton
« Reply #60 on: February 13, 2018, 07:22:43 PM »
Caveat Emptor ;D ;) :)

What a novel idea :D ;)
exactly.  The only thing this thread has established is that nobody knows what a cord is.  If the buyer is happy paying $150 for that pickup load, it doesnít matter

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Re: Cord of wood on a 1\2 ton
« Reply #61 on: February 13, 2018, 08:15:48 PM »
A cord either way
But there isnít the same amount of wood in each is there.  Like the fellow mentioned above, a bush cord of 24Ē dia logs might not stack the same when split but itís still a cord
every cord of block wood i ever cut always split out more than a cord not much but more

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« Reply #62 on: February 13, 2018, 08:21:07 PM »
From the sounds of things I think some of these guys take a tape measure and micrometer to the wood with them when they cut wood
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Re: Cord of wood on a 1\2 ton
« Reply #63 on: February 13, 2018, 08:35:12 PM »
Under the heading of Truck Abuse . . .

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This looks like some of the guys we've seen on I-66 hauling firewood into the Metro DC area.   Not a day went by that we didn't see 2 to 3 firewood or tree service guys way overloaded driving 65 mph in 4 and 5 lane bumper-to-bumper traffic.    I'm so glad we retired and moved out of that mess.
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« Reply #64 on: February 13, 2018, 08:57:19 PM »
From the sounds of things I think some of these guys take a tape measure and micrometer to the wood with them when they cut wood
:D my cousin has a guy that makes him pile every cord he brings he has his wall in the wood shed marked  but anyway the other day i went to help pile it when we where done there was about 15-20 pieces left on the truck and the guy goes aren't you going to put them in the  pile matt said no you want a cord and you make me pile it every time to make shur you don't get short changed  so I'm taking them home i don't want to get short changed the guy told him here is your money don't come back ill find some one else to get wood from  :D :D  the nerve of some people

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« Reply #65 on: February 13, 2018, 09:20:57 PM »
From the sounds of things I think some of these guys take a tape measure and micrometer to the wood with them when they cut wood
:D my cousin has a guy that makes him pile every cord he brings he has his wall in the wood shed marked  but anyway the other day i went to help pile it when we where done there was about 15-20 pieces left on the truck and the guy goes aren't you going to put them in the  pile matt said no you want a cord and you make me pile it every time to make shur you don't get short changed  so I'm taking them home i don't want to get short changed the guy told him here is your money don't come back ill find some one else to get wood from  :D :D  the nerve of some people
I would thrown the money back at him and loaded the wood up and left
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« Reply #66 on: February 13, 2018, 10:01:17 PM »
And there was a little Whiskey & Rye involved

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Re: Cord of wood on a 1\2 ton
« Reply #67 on: February 14, 2018, 08:24:03 AM »
A cord of wood to most people is really only a face cord or rick.
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Re: Cord of wood on a 1\2 ton
« Reply #68 on: February 14, 2018, 10:16:58 AM »
second what Coxy said, almost always more when split

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« Reply #69 on: February 14, 2018, 06:38:33 PM »
That hasn't been my experience.
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« Reply #70 on: February 14, 2018, 08:12:25 PM »
second what Coxy said, almost always more when split

That's been my experience as well. (assuming you are talking about 16" long rounds vs 16" long split wood.) The air spaces may be bigger between the rounds, but there are a lot more of them when it's split. As a friend of mine once said: I can't stack 'em as tight as nature did.

The smallest difference is when I am splitting a cord of some nice straight logs with nice straight grain - like white ash. When I split and stack that, it comes out fairly close to the dimensions of the stack I had before splitting (If I stack very carefully - which I don't usually do.)
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Re: Cord of wood on a 1\2 ton
« Reply #71 on: February 15, 2018, 05:13:43 AM »
That hasn't been my experience.

I've always found it goes either way, by at least a heavy wheel barrow load. And the wheel barrel I use holds a lot of wood. The loads of split wood I have bought come loose thrown from a processor. Unless one is always deliberately over throwing the load, which I doubt very much, it varies from one side of the cord to the other. But then, if you charge enough being over a little now and again covers the loss. There's no one giving freebies, and I don't blame them. If it makes the customer feel good the day goes much better and great for advertising. ;D

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« Reply #72 on: February 15, 2018, 05:20:59 AM »
second what Coxy said, almost always more when split

That's been my experience as well. (assuming you are talking about 16" long rounds vs 16" long split wood.) The air spaces may be bigger between the rounds, but there are a lot more of them when it's split. As a friend of mine once said: I can't stack 'em as tight as nature did.

The smallest difference is when I am splitting a cord of some nice straight logs with nice straight grain - like white ash. When I split and stack that, it comes out fairly close to the dimensions of the stack I had before splitting (If I stack very carefully - which I don't usually do.)

You have not bought 8' and treelength firewood logs then. ;D  DNR always scaled these piles roadside averaging depth and length, as I suspect many do. The loader on the truck always tries to stack the load as tight as he can going to a mill, to get the maximum tonnage per load. Stacked a lot nicer than sitting roadside in a pile.  ;D

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« Reply #73 on: February 15, 2018, 08:15:51 AM »
I assume you guys are cutting your 8' logs into 16" rounds, stacking them into 4'x8' piles, then splitting them and having no loss, [or more wood]. What was that 4x8 pile of rounds before you cut and stacked it? [In log form].  I've always kept track of the semi loads we pay for. I have to know what kind of profit I'm making off those logs after it's all said and done. I would be shocked if you said you bought a 12 cord load of logs and still had 12 cords of split, DRY firewood in the end. We notice alot of shrinkage in a few days drying in kilns. Like I said, we always end up with close to 20% loss in the end due to shrinkage, short ends, that knarly knot you can't split down, so it goes in the boiler pile....This is all nice wood cut 16" for fireplaces, and packaged wood. Maybe you'd throw in the short ends, and knarls for furnace wood and have less waste. I know if I'm buying a semi load to heat my home, I'm burning all of it. But if I'm selling that load to fireplace users, I'd better keep the non-sellable junk myself and keep my customers :)
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Re: Cord of wood on a 1\2 ton
« Reply #74 on: February 15, 2018, 08:52:19 AM »
  I average 50 16" face cords per 20 pulp cord train load of hardwood pulp.  That's average.  If I get less than 47 I'm not real happy.  Less than 45 I call my supplier and let him know ;) ;D  100" saw bolts process the best.  Twenty cords of them will make better than 55 face cords.
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« Reply #75 on: February 15, 2018, 11:53:07 AM »
second what Coxy said, almost always more when split

That's been my experience as well. (assuming you are talking about 16" long rounds vs 16" long split wood.) The air spaces may be bigger between the rounds, but there are a lot more of them when it's split. As a friend of mine once said: I can't stack 'em as tight as nature did.

The smallest difference is when I am splitting a cord of some nice straight logs with nice straight grain - like white ash. When I split and stack that, it comes out fairly close to the dimensions of the stack I had before splitting (If I stack very carefully - which I don't usually do.)

You have not bought 8' and treelength firewood logs then. ;D  DNR always scaled these piles roadside averaging depth and length, as I suspect many do. The loader on the truck always tries to stack the load as tight as he can going to a mill, to get the maximum tonnage per load. Stacked a lot nicer than sitting roadside in a pile.  ;D

As I said, "assuming you are talking about 16" long rounds vs 16" long split wood" -- basically, wood that is ready to go to the splitter, vs wood that has just been split. I would certainly agree that comparing 8' logs to split 16" lengths, the split 16" will almost always stack more densely (and significantly so). I suppose if you are buying perfect "telephone pole" logs it might be different, but if you have logs like that, I have to wonder why you are splitting them up for firewood.
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« Reply #76 on: February 15, 2018, 01:01:37 PM »
A cord of cut and split fire wood is 66% wood and the rest air. Customers will sometimes fill in all the spaces and say it's short.  Also it's a rough measurement and will run over and under but not much.

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« Reply #77 on: February 15, 2018, 01:51:27 PM »
A cord of cut and split fire wood is 66% wood and the rest air. Customers will sometimes fill in all the spaces and say it's short.  Also it's a rough measurement and will run over and under but not much.

THat matches pretty well with the old rule of thumb that a cord of firewood contains about 85 cubic feet of actual wood (with the rest being air): 85/128 = 66%
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« Reply #78 on: February 15, 2018, 02:47:46 PM »
True cord wood which is round and cut in 4ft lengths stacked 4ft high and 8 ft long should be cheaper priced than a cord of split wood cut 16 inch and stacked the same 4x4x8.
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« Reply #79 on: February 15, 2018, 02:49:17 PM »
A cord of cut and split fire wood is 66% wood and the rest air. Customers will sometimes fill in all the spaces and say it's short.  Also it's a rough measurement and will run over and under but not much.

THat matches pretty well with the old rule of thumb that a cord of firewood contains about 85 cubic feet of actual wood (with the rest being air): 85/128 = 66%
that would depend on who stacked it.
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