450 Timberjack Skidder

[Mountain_d]

I am shopping around for a used skidder.  I noticed some good prices on a few 450 Timberjacks.  Does this machine have any inherent problems that anyone is aware of?  I seem to be able to get a good looking 450 for less money than a 230 or Clark Ranger.  Seems odd?
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[ga jones]

What year? I just bought a 380c my one buddy has one and his buddy has a 450c. There good machines. The 200 series is out of this world price wise. Everyone wants those.the 380s and 450s are a lot bigger than the 200s. The 450 is longer.bigger axles than the 380. Most times they have much bigger rubber.

[Dave Shepard]

That was my thought as well. Bigger rubber, more fuel, need more room in the woods. A friend of mine has a 450, said it will suck up a lot of fuel. I think he said 80 gallons a day, but that may have been the forwarder running too.

[Jamie_C]

There is no way that a 450 skidder could suck up that much fuel, even the older Tigercat 845 harvesters from the late 90's early 2000's would have had a hard time burning that much.

[Dave Shepard]

It must have been both the skidder and the forwarder then. I can ask the next time I see him. I just remember it was a lot of fuel.

[loggah]

 maybe a 450 grapple could use that much fuel ! ;D

[ga jones]

Another friend of mine had a 460 grapple it used 45 gal a day.

[ga jones]

The first tank in my 380 was 1.67 gal per hour.ill keep you posted

[cutter88]

That was my thought as well. Bigger rubber, more fuel, need more room in the woods. A friend of mine has a 450, said it will suck up a lot of fuel. I think he said 80 gallons a day, but that may have been the forwarder running too.

no possible way it burns that much fuel if I work my 640d all day move like 70 trees skidding 3000 feet the most I would burn is about 130 letres

[ga jones]

130 liters that's a lot of soda! cause that's the only thing here in liters

[ga jones]

34.34 gallons for the rest of us

[ehp]

had a couple 450's , I sure would take a good one over what I'm running right now which is a 230 , If you push the 450 real hard in big timber I know I could not make it to 5 oclock on a tank of fuel but in most cases about 25 gallons a day would be a normal , I burn that in the 230 a day

[ehp]

is it a 3 speed or a 4 speed trans in it , I have had both

[Kemper]

I have a 460d grapple and I can run it from sunrise to sunset and not burn that much fuel.  Cost per ton I come out a head with big skidders. Need a good driver who can get big and heavy drags to make it pay off though.

Another friend of mine had a 460 grapple it used 45 gal a day.

[rfm7fxfox]

We own a 450c DA grapple and it does not burn a lot of fuel. I have not figured out how much a day yet but I run it all day, pull decent size hitches up  steep hill and I cant complain about its fuel consumption. But I also don't hold it to the boards while running the grapple, I like our equipment to last. Its got the 6cyl Cummins, recently rebuilt. I love the machine, runs 28l x 26 tires with bear paws on all 4. Has a 123" cat grapple on it from a 535, grapple is a little over kill for the machine but it'll pull a big hitch. Stable as all hell. Only had to use the locker once on it. Machine grips good, have no complaints as of yet, been running it for almost 2 months now. Still new to me but I love it! Dual arch is nice cause you have more reach and you can bring your hitch up onto the machine putting the weight more over your axle then off the back of the machine. It was definitely a smart investment for us! Good luck with your new purchase no matter what it might be!

[Maine logger88]

Ga jones does your 380 have a 6bt Cummins

[Dave Shepard]

Like I said, I wasn't entirely sure about the number, so let's not get too wound up about it.  ;) It is a grapple machine with a 6BT. Forwarder has a 4BT. I think it's a 610 TJ.

[ga jones]

Yes mine is a 6bt. My buddies 460 was a single action grapple 6bt and it was BAD on fuel. Maybe operator maybe pump setting maybe both.it was electronic.maybe that too?

[ehp]

all our motors are opened up on the pumps as we end up doing long skids with big hitchs as road cost is just way to high so we just pulled farther , Not all the time but I have seen mile skids lots of times and that burns fuel

[ga jones]

Kemper a 460 d is a deere engine and trans isn't it?

[Maine logger88]

That's a good motor I have one sitting in my barn id like to do something with someday! Ehp I have the same road problem as you seems like half the wood u cut is close to a half mile yard last year I cut a lot idk how far the yard was but it took 2 to 2.5 hours per twitch to drive in cut and drive back out and I ran 3rd or 4th gear on the 540 and burnt a lot of fuel doing it

[Kemper]

Kemper a 460 d is a deere engine and trans isn't it?

Yes, it's the same as a 648. Even has JD floor mats.

[Mountain_d]

Ok, thanks for the info on fuel consumption. It is a 1981. I am not sure on the engine yet but thinking a 453?

[ga jones]

Detroits are really good on fuel. Noisy( unless its a 453t )there almost as quiet as a cummins. Simple to work on cheap to rebuild.

[Maine logger88]

Did the older 450s come with a 453t

[ga jones]

The 350s did I would think its a possible.

[coxy]

don't know how the jacks are but my kitty cat has a BAD  drinking problem  :D :D 8)

[Maine logger88]

Yeh I'm sure they would I don't know much about the 350/380/450 all I have ever been around is 200 series machines I bet a 450 with either a 453t or a 6bt would pull quite a twitch tho. Is there much difference between your 380 and a 450

[ehp]

the 350 we had was a 3 cylinder turbo , the older 450 was a 4 cylinder but no turbo but had lots of power with a 3 speed trans.

[ga jones]

My 380 is a short frame. The 450 is long frame and has bigger axles same body though. smaller than the 460 .

[Maine logger88]

Ok thanks i like being up on the different models! How many cord will the 380 bring to a time

[ga jones]

Oh man we don't do much in cords. Like 4 twenty inch hemlocks tree lenght.whatever that is .

[Maine logger88]

Yeh if it's like the stuff I'm in now and 70 to 75 feet tall that must be around 2.5 but idk which is a good twitch hemlock draggs hard! Around here the mills all buy pulp buy the ton and of course logs by the board ft but we  still unofficially figure stuff by the cord guess old habits die hard haha

[ga jones]

I've been wanting to get some pics of her in in action but its hard when your in the seat!

[Maine logger88]

Yeh same here

[rfm7fxfox]

I see you say the 450 is smaller than the 460 which makes sense but a buddy of mine has a 460 and we recently bought the 450, they both have 28l 26 tires, ours is a dual arch his is single and our machine is same height, same width but longer frame... the distance between axles is longer on our 450..is that because its the dual arch? also the front end of our machine is longer than the 460...idk if its because his is a couple years newer? the front section of the frame is longer though then his 460 as well as the back section..idk why or if our 450 is an extended frame or something... does that make any sense? could the axles be mounted farther forward in the front and farther back in the rear then a single arch 460? I always assumed the 450 was smaller but in this case its actually bigger then his 460... now im confused haha!

Back to the man looking at the timberjack..if it has a 453 itll sip fuel, nothing like the cummins, our little treefarmer with the 353 barely uses any fuel, granted its a cable machine but still its a strong pulling machine and the fact that it sips fuel is great, id say we dont burn more than 5 gallons in that little detroit and thats working her all day... before we had the motor tuned is used a little more fuel, but properly tuned detroits run great, I was very skeptical at first about the detroit but the more i run it and the more i learn it i absolutely love it! easy to work on, but not easy on the ears! She's deffinitley a screamer! The turbo models I hear are a lot quiter but have never heard one run..

[Jws_78]

I'm going to look at a late 70's model 450 this weekend. Does anyone have any information about the 450's?

[CCC4]

I have operated about 10 450c in the last 3 years. Good machines, easy to operate, easy to work on, can run from 28L to 35.5 tires with no issue.

The other day our OP pulled like 2 drags on a full tank if fuel before breaking down...next morning tank was bone dry, now that is some fuel consumption!! Lol! Reckon some tweaker had anything to do with that???? Lol! Thieving idiots!!!

[Jws_78]

Ccc4, have you ever been around the older 450's? I need to know if I can haul on on a gooseneck trailer and a 3500 dually pickup, or do I need something bigger?

[so il logger]

I don't know about the older model 450 but I have a 95 c model. Mine has the big rear ends and 30.5 32 tires. I would not haul mine behind a pick up, around here it is not uncommon to see a 440 or a 225 being towed on a gooseneck behind a 1 ton but a 450c or 540 or 640 never

[coxy]

you have a bigger set than me if you want to haul a 450on a 1ton even the older ones have to be close to if not more than 10ton jmop 

[ga jones]

26000

[BargeMonkey]

you have a bigger set than me if you want to haul a 450on a 1ton even the older ones have to be close to if not more than 10ton jmop 

My 450C had 24.5 rubber and I made the mistake of trying to put in on my tag trailer, barely fits on a good straight shot. I don't care cable or grapple you would have to be short of brain cells to try and haul a 230-240-450- 540-640 on a tag trailer behind a 1 ton truck. A chained up 440D weighs over 17000 so your instant CDL including truck +trailer, if you ever had an accident or got into DOT and put on scales you might as well just give up right there.  :D

[loggah]

Put it on a tag along behind a pickup. and you will spend the rest of the week straightening the trailer,and putting new springs in the one ton !!!!! :laugh:

[xalexjx]

and im hesitant to put my 450c with 30.5x32 on the 25 ton tag. little sketchy loading and unloading if not perfectly level, (over a foot of tire hanging off on each side)

[BargeMonkey]

and im hesitant to put my 450c with 30.5x32 on the 25 ton tag. little sketchy loading and unloading if not perfectly level, (over a foot of tire hanging off on each side)

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The ride off the trailer seems worse than it really is, you have so much ground clearance you won't know it. Don't ask me how I know this.  :D  got a rear tire slightly off when loading, which only got worse when I went to unload, tried to slide it with the grapple which compounded it. Never again. Lowboy only.

[xalexjx]

yeah but hate to make a mess of a 2 year old 25ton cam superliner, ;)

[timberjack 450]

We used to put my 450b single arch on a tagalong for years. It had 28l tires. I just bought a 450c with 24.5 tires and dual arch. That will be going on a 25 ton tag along also. Can't get in a lot of our roads with a low boy. Once my 450b had a back wheel fall off the trailer. Made me sit up but never went over, not even close. By the way I am looking for a good used 24.5 tire.

[1st450Jack]

I've got a 450 single arch 3 speed Clark power shift 453 Detroit gearmatic winch. She had been robbed of her hydraulic filter. Donaldson filter system in tank. Hydraulic oil return to tank. Its a filter cartridge. Missing from the machine when I brought it home. Tk 450 Ser #452788. Can someone get a part number for this filter please. Thanks.