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Title: NOAA Satellite Imagery From Hurricane Michael - timber loss
Post by: Alligator on October 25, 2018, 05:20:56 PM
If every sawmill in America could saw nothing but Hurricane Michael downed timber, it couldn't be sawed before it ruined.
Hurricane MICHAEL Imagery (https://storms.ngs.noaa.gov/storms/michael/index.html#19/30.01981/-85.30803) 
Title: Re: NOAA Satellite Imagery From Hurricane Michael - timber loss
Post by: Hilltop366 on October 25, 2018, 06:37:11 PM
Looks like they could use some of that lumber for fixing some roofs!
Title: Re: NOAA Satellite Imagery From Hurricane Michael - timber loss
Post by: esteadle on October 25, 2018, 06:54:12 PM
This is very interesting, and it got me searching around... 

Found some interesting stuff...

Thousands of Southerners Planted Trees for Retirement. It Didn't Work Out: 
Thousands of Southerners Planted Trees for Retirement. It Didn?t Work. - WSJ (https://www.wsj.com/articles/thousands-of-southerners-planted-trees-for-retirement-it-didnt-work-1539095250)

A Billion-Dollar Fortune From Timber and Fire: 
A Billion-Dollar Fortune From Timber and Fire (https://www.forbes.com/feature/archie-emmerson-timber-forest-fires-logging/#6c6bbbeb64f9)


Title: Re: NOAA Satellite Imagery From Hurricane Michael - timber loss
Post by: esteadle on October 25, 2018, 06:57:58 PM
Quote from: Alligator on October 25, 2018, 05:20:56 PM
If every sawmill in America could saw nothing but Hurricane Michael downed timber, it couldn't be sawed before it ruined.
Hurricane MICHAEL Imagery (https://storms.ngs.noaa.gov/storms/michael/index.html#19/30.01981/-85.30803)
You know... now ya got me thinking about how we, as a community can help.

Title: Re: NOAA Satellite Imagery From Hurricane Michael - timber loss
Post by: Lawg Dawg on October 25, 2018, 07:03:19 PM
WOW! Just WOW!
Title: Re: NOAA Satellite Imagery From Hurricane Michael - timber loss
Post by: Alligator on October 25, 2018, 07:43:36 PM
The divistation along the coast is horrific to human and property. That being said the hurricane passed mainly over low population area that are mainly paper company or private planted timber land. This NOAA Imagery focuses mainly on areas that have some population. If you zoom back from the area I focused on there large blue areas that are all or mostly timber land. I know a couple of people that have a few thousand acres of timber that will go to waste. Most all timber companies are book well past the expiration date of downed Southern Yellow Pine.
Title: Re: NOAA Satellite Imagery From Hurricane Michael - timber loss
Post by: mike_belben on October 26, 2018, 09:35:01 AM
Quote from: esteadle on October 25, 2018, 06:54:12 PM

A Billion-Dollar Fortune From Timber and Fire:
A Billion-Dollar Fortune From Timber and Fire (https://www.forbes.com/feature/archie-emmerson-timber-forest-fires-logging/#6c6bbbeb64f9)
Boy how thick can forbes paint on their socialist disdain for this guy?
The market needs lumber.  It isnt his fault the world likes wood and wildfires break out.
Title: Re: NOAA Satellite Imagery From Hurricane Michael - timber loss
Post by: quilbilly on October 27, 2018, 10:36:44 AM
Although I'm no fan of SPI salvage sales are good and there are many other problems with this article.
Title: Re: NOAA Satellite Imagery From Hurricane Michael - timber loss
Post by: Alligator on October 27, 2018, 10:24:37 PM
I made a trip to our fishing cabin to blue trap the roof today. There is no way I can possibly describe the divistation. Our cabin is 5 miles north of Wewahitchka Fl. The drive from Marianna Fl. to Wewahitchka (about 35 miles) 95% of the SYP 8" to 14" were snapped 10 to 15 feet up. This wasn't just one area it was the entire distance and it seem to extend about 50 miles wide. About every 10 miles there were 1 lane roads with flagmen where power crews were restoring power lines. The houses that had roof to tarp all had blue tarps.

In some of these photos you can't see it but it is all like this
More NOAA Images (https://storms.ngs.noaa.gov/storms/michael/index.html#19/30.32618/-85.22670)
Title: Re: NOAA Satellite Imagery From Hurricane Michael - timber loss
Post by: thecfarm on October 28, 2018, 08:45:32 AM
Sad to hear and see.
I get all bummed out when I lose 10 trees in a wind storm. ::)
Title: Re: NOAA Satellite Imagery From Hurricane Michael - timber loss
Post by: DanG on October 28, 2018, 01:44:05 PM
Quote from: Hilltop366 on October 25, 2018, 06:37:11 PM
Looks like they could use some of that lumber for fixing some roofs!
The problem with that is getting it dried, planed and graded. Folks with major roof damage can't wait for that. DanG shame but that's the way it is. :(
Title: Re: NOAA Satellite Imagery From Hurricane Michael - timber loss
Post by: Alligator on October 28, 2018, 04:11:57 PM
DanG did you have any damage? It went right up your way, and you were on the east side.
Title: Re: NOAA Satellite Imagery From Hurricane Michael - timber loss
Post by: longtime lurker on October 28, 2018, 06:15:21 PM
I feel for you guys. We got hit by category 5's in 2006 and 2011 so I know what you're going through.

With regard the timber plantations the 2011 cyclone Yasi hit 30 mile to the south of us over a largish (100k acres or so) plantation estate, mostly Caribbean Pine but there were stands of Slash Pine (which is one of your SYP's). A lot was laid over but a lot more was just smashed off and standing.
Hancock were chipping them for export pulp for the next three or four years, so while its not much return maybe theres hope of getting something back from them.

My thoughts are with you.
Title: Re: NOAA Satellite Imagery From Hurricane Michael - timber loss
Post by: Alligator on October 31, 2018, 10:22:18 PM
The middle of this video has what I was talking about trees.
Hurricane Michael: Tallahassee to Port St. Joe (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdCLnjEHPos)
Title: Re: NOAA Satellite Imagery From Hurricane Michael - timber loss
Post by: Southside on October 31, 2018, 11:20:15 PM
My gosh - can't imagine how long that will take to clean up. 
Title: Re: NOAA Satellite Imagery From Hurricane Michael - timber loss
Post by: Hilltop366 on November 01, 2018, 08:04:36 AM
Quote from: DanG on October 28, 2018, 01:44:05 PM
Quote from: Hilltop366 on October 25, 2018, 06:37:11 PM
Looks like they could use some of that lumber for fixing some roofs!
The problem with that is getting it dried, planed and graded. Folks with major roof damage can't wait for that. DanG shame but that's the way it is. :(
Yep I know, the irony.  Lumber lumber everywhere.......
I hope you came out of this without too much trouble.
Title: Re: NOAA Satellite Imagery From Hurricane Michael - timber loss
Post by: bandmiller2 on November 01, 2018, 08:05:56 AM
My heart is out for those folks that were in its path, guess its the price to be paid for a warm sunny climate. Up here in the northeast the weather will pester you but won't kill you, I'll take the snow and cold. Frank C.
Title: Re: NOAA Satellite Imagery From Hurricane Michael - timber loss
Post by: YellowHammer on November 01, 2018, 10:28:47 PM
I'm way up near Tennessee and have been getting calls to buy plantation pecan logs from down there.  One guy said he had "thousands" of downed pecans.  What a shame.  
Title: Re: NOAA Satellite Imagery From Hurricane Michael - timber loss
Post by: Alligator on November 02, 2018, 12:16:39 PM
Quote from: YellowHammer on November 01, 2018, 10:28:47 PM
I'm way up near Tennessee and have been getting calls to buy plantation pecan logs from down there.  One guy said he had "thousands" of downed pecans.  What a shame.  
If you had a semi with a knuckle boom loader, and a week to spend down hear, you could pick and chose about any thing any trees that grow down here. Most all would be given away to get rid of them. Mostly they have been cleared from the road, but that it.
Title: Re: NOAA Satellite Imagery From Hurricane Michael - timber loss
Post by: Alligator on November 05, 2018, 10:32:09 PM
I'm sorry if I bore you with my continued post of Michael destruction. I grew up traveling this beautiful mostly rural agricultural and wooded part of Florida, Georgia, and Alabama, from Apalachicola to Destin, from Cairo Ga. to Dothan Al. I have driven all the main roads and a large majority of the back roads.

This is a map of the destruction that is pretty much the same in all the orange area, and to a lesser extent in the yellow area as you get further from the center where the eye passed. Michael remained a Category 2 well into the middle of Georgia. The video is in Marianna Fl. about 60 miles north of where it came ashore in Mexico Beach and was still a Category 3.

Hurricane Michael Aftermath' Video Clips 10-27-18 Marianna, Florida (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DEnqR7ILZ0)


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Title: Re: NOAA Satellite Imagery From Hurricane Michael - timber loss
Post by: Southside on November 05, 2018, 10:46:50 PM
It's not boring - I think it's actually important that folks see what actually happened there and how much needs to be done.  Our media is more concerned with who had a "wardrobe malfunction" yesterday than the true impact of this storm.