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Title: Can you I D this baby tree?
Post by: Banjo picker on June 16, 2019, 08:26:12 PM
Some of you may get this right off...others may have a harder time with it.  I'll give you a hint...its not an oak.  Not much of a hint was it?  Banjo


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Title: Re: Can you I D this baby tree?
Post by: caveman on June 16, 2019, 10:04:33 PM
It is a little difficult for me to see but I can tell that it is simple and opposite which rules out sugarberry or hackberry which is what the leaves look a bit like.  I do not think leaf base is just right or cordate enough to guess that it is a catalpa.  

I cannot see the veins but I am leaning towards flowering dogwood.
Title: Re: Can you I D this baby tree?
Post by: low_48 on June 16, 2019, 10:54:28 PM
Walnut?
Title: Re: Can you I D this baby tree?
Post by: Southside on June 16, 2019, 11:03:02 PM
That's my thought too
Title: Re: Can you I D this baby tree?
Post by: caveman on June 16, 2019, 11:32:23 PM
After zooming in 300% and seeing the new, what looks to be a compound leaf on the tree on the left, I think that Southside and Low48 are right.  
Title: Re: Can you I D this baby tree?
Post by: Banjo picker on June 17, 2019, 05:33:13 AM
Sorry thats not it.  Here is another pict.
  Banjo(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/18028/20190616_191152.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1560730791)
 
Title: Re: Can you I D this baby tree?
Post by: WDH on June 17, 2019, 08:03:42 AM
Tree of heaven maybe.
Title: Re: Can you I D this baby tree?
Post by: firefighter ontheside on June 17, 2019, 08:41:48 AM
Are you sure it's a tree and not some sort of brushy plant.  Looks like some thing I see in the woods.
Title: Re: Can you I D this baby tree?
Post by: btulloh on June 17, 2019, 08:46:29 AM
Not tree of heaven.  I get to see too many of those babies.  Looks familiar, but . . .
Title: Re: Can you I D this baby tree?
Post by: Banjo picker on June 17, 2019, 09:24:18 AM
Quote from: firefighter ontheside on June 17, 2019, 08:41:48 AM
Are you sure it's a tree and not some sort of brushy plant.  Looks like some thing I see in the woods.
Yes its a tree.  My mickey mouse tree book says it grows to 75 to 100 foot.  So not a bush.  Also it is a native plant, not an import.  Banjo
Title: Re: Can you I D this baby tree?
Post by: Nathan Harp on June 17, 2019, 12:03:57 PM
Yellowwood
Title: Re: Can you I D this baby tree?
Post by: Babylon519 on June 17, 2019, 12:32:08 PM
Looks like ash to me.
 - Jason
Title: Re: Can you I D this baby tree?
Post by: Banjo picker on June 17, 2019, 03:08:58 PM
No, & no.  Here they are when they were just sprouting.  Banjo


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Title: Re: Can you I D this baby tree?
Post by: firefighter ontheside on June 17, 2019, 03:11:32 PM
Ok, I thought you were looking to identify them.  Didn't realize it was a game.
Title: Re: Can you I D this baby tree?
Post by: GAB on June 17, 2019, 04:05:41 PM
Could it be butternut?
GAB
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Post by: Southside on June 17, 2019, 04:19:12 PM
Coffee tree  ;D
Title: Re: Can you I D this baby tree?
Post by: Texas Ranger on June 17, 2019, 04:27:39 PM
black locust, or honey
Title: Re: Can you I D this baby tree?
Post by: Banjo picker on June 17, 2019, 08:54:11 PM
Quote from: Southside on June 17, 2019, 04:19:12 PM
Coffee tree  ;D
Bingo.  Ky. coffee tree.  
Title: Re: Can you I D this baby tree?
Post by: Banjo picker on June 17, 2019, 09:20:44 PM
That was a slight hint on post 12.  Thats coffee boxes they were sprouted in.  I watched a couple of things on youtube about how some have got them to come up before they arrived.  The method I used was to take a file and cut a light groove into the outer shell.  I will say that is the hardest wood product I have ever seen.  a file will just barely knotch it and you have to bear down at that.  A few looked to have already been swelled, so I just planted them.  Here is a picdture of the seeds with a dime as reference.


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You can see where I put a slight knotch in each seed...both sides...just didn't go very deep so as not to mess with the innerds of the seed.


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Here are the same seeds after soaking in water for about 30 hours or so.  Something that looks like shellac came off them, then I put them in this little incubator that I made out of a power aid bottle.
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I finally put a paper towel on the bottom as well as the top and just kept them damp untill they started to send out a sprout.  As soon as I saw that I put them in some composted horse  manure.   I got 6 little trees so far and several more prospects.  I hope they continue to do well.  I have heard they develope a large tap root so I wonder when I should put them in the ground.  Dont want them to stay in the pot too long.  Thanks to those who posted and followed this.  Banjo
Title: Re: Can you I D this baby tree?
Post by: Ron Wenrich on June 18, 2019, 05:38:11 AM
Glad to see everything worked out okay.  I'm finding ones that are coming up in the yard after last year's pod drop.  It will be interesting to see how these develop in a wooded situation.  They tend to be bushy as a yard tree.  
Title: Re: Can you I D this baby tree?
Post by: firefighter ontheside on June 18, 2019, 04:49:46 PM
Interesting.  Don't think I've ever seen one.  Tried to get some logs for free last year, but guy never got back to me.
Title: Re: Can you I D this baby tree?
Post by: DPatton on June 18, 2019, 09:45:16 PM
Here's a photo of one in my neighbors side yard. It was nothing but a 20' tall bullwhip when Steph and I first moved in 19 years ago. It turned into a pretty nice tree since that time.


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Title: Re: Can you I D this baby tree?
Post by: Banjo picker on August 14, 2019, 10:54:07 PM
I ended up with 5 real nice young plants...had one more but it didn't look like it would make it in the woods.  I planted the 5 in a place that they should do well.  Planted them about 35 foot apart with plenty of young popular coming up in between them... I will cut the popular back as needed to get the shape I need for the ky coff. trees.  Don't want a plain shade tree type so will let the young populars make them stretch out for a while.  Put a stake by them with a red flag on top so I won't loose them.  Hope they do good.  Banjo
Title: Re: Can you I D this baby tree?
Post by: Banjo picker on September 20, 2019, 09:08:14 PM
Its been a little over a month since I put them in their forever home.  They seem to be doing very well.  We have had a couple of weeks with no rain so today I took a little water back to them.  I gave them all a drink although they didn't look like they needed it.  They are said to be drought resistant.  Here is a couple of pictures.  I will need to open up some space for one of them, but the other 4 are getting 6 hours or better of sunlight each day.  The one in the shade looks just fine also.  I have harvested several large popular's from the area and I bet there are several thousand little ones trying to take their place.

I know why there is an old fiddle tune called the holler popular.  When they get to 20 to 24 inches around here you need to cut them or they are gona be holler.


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I am going to let the little populars force them to get some height.  Thanks for the seed....you know who you are.  ;) Banjo
Title: Re: Can you I D this baby tree?
Post by: Banjo picker on March 28, 2020, 08:44:56 PM
Well they made it through the winter.  Will be interesting to see how much growth they develop this year.
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Title: Re: Can you I D this baby tree?
Post by: kantuckid on March 29, 2020, 09:45:38 AM
Quote from: firefighter ontheside on June 18, 2019, 04:49:46 PM
Interesting.  Don't think I've ever seen one.  Tried to get some logs for free last year, but guy never got back to me.
The easiest time to spot one (from the road) is when the leaves are gone but the seed pods are hanging on limbs. They seem to be found on edges similar to cherry? My local school has a row of them planted along a creek beside the parking lot.
Title: Re: Can you I D this baby tree?
Post by: Banjo picker on March 30, 2020, 10:32:50 PM
I had never seen one except in books and on this forum until I started these little ones.  I reccon they are either Male or female.... I have 5 so hopefully I will have a mix.
Title: Re: Can you I D this baby tree?
Post by: Weekend_Sawyer on March 31, 2020, 05:58:50 AM
Just found this thread. It's pretty interesting.
Can you make coffee out of the beans?
Jon
Title: Re: Can you I D this baby tree?
Post by: WDH on March 31, 2020, 07:43:31 AM
It is dioecious.  Male and female plants.  Some info from Native Trees of the Southeast:

"Roasted fruits or seeds were once used as a coffee substitute, but the raw seed contains poisonous alkaloids."