Anyone here running one? I need an edger asap, I called around and the only thing I can find without ordering is a woodmizer e.g. 200. They have a gas and diesel available for me to pick up right now. It's a 500 mile drive one way but I can't really afford to wait for anyone to build one. I did a search and came up empty on finding any users out there.
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I have the ED26, which should be the same thing. Its been great, but is a little limited in width. About 24" throat, and I think 15" max board width. It's only an issue really if you are doing a lot of really big logs. It'll up your grade value over edging on the mill.
Bruno, thank you for the suggestion. I will give them a call tommorow and check availability.
Dave will you wm edge 8/4 cut at 2 1/4. My buyer wants their 8/4 cut at 2 1/4". Wm website says the 200 will cut 2" thick . I wonder if that is exactly 2" or if it will cut an 8/4 board that is milled at 2 1/4 ". I suppose I'll have to buy the sales guy again tommorow and ask him.
Learned yesterday I can edge 2 1/4 but 2 3/8 is too thick. The problem you may run into is a thick and thin situation where your blade dove and you find out when the flitch is stuck in the edger.
I'm not sure. I know it's rated for 2", but I suspect it may do more.
Southside, I called Riehl steel today but it sounds like they are busy and at least 6 weeks out. I really can't afford to wait 6 weeks at the moment. So when they say 2 1/4" on their website they mean 2 1/4 . I was curious if there were any give to the specs .
I can't add anything, other than to say I think your buyer wants 9/4 at 8/4 price😁
My point was that when you try to run something to the max rated, or even exceed it, you get into the zone of having zero room for error, and you will have error with rough sawn lumber.
We have the eg 200 it runs 2" stuff no problem 2 1/4 will run but no room for more. Ours is gas and cuts fine. Only complaint is the feed seems a little slow for 2 lol but fine for 1.
Darrel , if you run something a little too thick. Say 2 3/8 does it bind in the machine or just come out the other side not cut all the way through?
Busybeaver I'm believe it would jam. we ran some 9/4 the thru it but no room to spare.
Thank you Darrel. Wm is telling me that 2 1/8 is max clearance. I talked to three different wholesale buyers today and they all say they 2 -3/16 is the minimum for 8/4 and every grade Sawyer is telling me they cut that or 2 1/4. I really want the e.g. 200 but if I can't run industry standard 8/4 through it it simply won't work for us. Timber king called me back today and said they can get me a talon 900 early next week so those are my options at this point. I wish I could take a 2 3/16 board and try to run it through the e.g. 200 but I'm in Michigan and the edger available is in Pennsylvania
Quote from: barbender on June 26, 2018, 12:41:56 AM
I can't add anything, other than to say I think your buyer wants 9/4 at 8/4 price😁
Nope, hardwood is different than softwood. 8/4 hardwood is no less than 2 1/8" we saw it at 2 3/16" or 2 1/4" depending on what the buyer wants. Softwood 8/4 is 2"
Just another way the industry confuses everyone with all the crazy rules they have for everything.
Not runnin anybody down just a clarification for anyone reading this that don't know.
I'm not sure softwood is supposed to be measured using the quarter system anyway. ;)
Thank all you for your input. So my father and I have been sitting here going over the specs in the Timber king and woodmizer brochures. Besides the fact that it appears the e.g. 200 won't cut 8/4 lumber the way it seems all grade sawyers are required to cut it, there is one other stat that jumps out at us. The weights of the two machines. Timber king talon 900 listed as 800 pounds, woodmizer e.g. 200 at 2260 pounds. For those of us that can do simple math that's a 1460 pound difference. I had to use a calculator but that's a whole lot of difference between the two. Anyone care to speculate why such a big difference. Is it the roller tables versus the belts? I've never seen either one of these in person and the way it looks is I'll be seeing one of these for the first time after driving 8 hours one way to buy it.
There are a LOT more moving parts on a belt drive system vs a roller system. So there is the weight and maintenance issues to consider. I will say Woodmaster, which is the sister company to Timber King, has a philosophy of building equipment which weighs less, but don't let that fool you into thinking the equipment is any less effective. I have WM 4000 and a WM 725 and they both weigh less than their competition, but they stand up and run hard. For example, my 4000 has an aluminum table vs the cast iron table in the ph360, lot less weight, but she is not going to flex at all.
Had a good talk Busybeaver on the ph, Hope I was some help. Good luck.
Yes Peter i appreciate you taking the time to help a new guy. Honestly I am still surprised at how much support I've been getting from the community here. Both on the forum and over the phone from forum members. There are guys here that will shut down their mill when I call to take the time to send me in the right direction wether it takes 20 min or 2 hours. I am amazed at these guys willingness to help without expecting anything in return. Then there is the other guy who will help me out while running his mill, I get valuable advice and get to hear a lt70 singing in the background at the same time. The true multi tasker Doug, 4x4 american.
So after much deliberation, hours of phone calls and weighing the options my father has made his executive decision to drive to Marty's in Pennsylvania and pick up our new diesel powered e.g. 200 this Saturday. Personally I think both the Timber king and woodmizer each have their own positives and negatives. One of the main deciding factors was diesel power. Another deciding factor, and I'm slightly embarrassed to admit this is. I wanted the color to match the lt70. If I go out with the wife or to church I don't even take into consideration if I'm wearing matching clothes but tools are somehow different. I like those to look the same.
I looked My edger has 14" blades. Someone here cut 2" off the top of the opening so they can cut 4" thick wood.
Thank you Peter . I talked to Marty Parsons for a couple minutes this morning and he told me he knew a few customers had modified the machine to cut thicker the way yours has been modified. It's good to know that if the need arises the edger can be modified to accommodate much thicker boards. Thanks again
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I've modified my edger to cut 4 inch. Getting to three inch is relatively easy as its just enlarging the opening. That last inch was a bit of work as you can see the kickback lifter shaft is in the way. Also geared it down with a new set of pulleys and belt. Starting the cut is hard as the hold down rollers have to lift quite a way but when I need alot of 4x4 cut outta small logs, I two side the logs on the mill and after accumulating a whack of 4 inch flitches, I get the first one started and run continious end to end till they are done. It is more productive than 4 siding on the mill.
Mine is not cut up, Percy, your the man, :D :D :D :D :D
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Mine is not cut up, Percy, your the man, :D :D :D :D :D
Yeah, I think I took some flak way back when I first did this...that poor old edger dont owe me a dime Got it new in 2002 and its on its third motor....I have to make sure my blades are sharp with the 4 inch especially. Here it is today eating a three inch Yellow Cedar flitch. Motor has the hormones to cut it easy. My exhaust blows on the front panel making the poor old thing look like a dogs breakfast....but it gets it done. I love that old thing....
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Percy , thank you for posting the picture and video . That thing looks like it eats pretty fast. What motor is on it?
Quote from: Busybeaver on June 29, 2018, 06:33:39 PM
Percy , thank you for posting the picture and video . That thing looks like it eats pretty fast. What motor is on it?
This one is a 28 hp Subaru with EFI. Its the best one so far. It came with a 25 hp Kohler, carberated version. Lasted forever with only one head gasket job and bent pushrod from over reving, my bad, I would run over and push on the governor lever whenever I was in a tough cut. Then a used honda 24 hp. Was wimpy but ran great for a long time. I got the Subaru at Princess Auto(Canadas Harbour Freight) for about half the price of a 28hp Kohler. Its the most powerful engine I had on this edger...Next motor will be the 38 HP EFI Kohler. I hate edger jamups.....seriously hampers production.... :D
Hey glad to hear you're getting an edger, especially awesome that it has a diesel. What is it a Yanmar? how many ponies? I have to admit I talk on the phone quite a bit while I'm sawing, it's nice having hands free telecommunication.. I just have to talk really loud, making me look silly to whoevers watching lol
Busybeaver what size blades are in the edger you will be getting? I was on WM website last night and I believe it said they are using 10" blades now. If that is the case you may not have enough blade to modify it to cut thicker if you were thinking of doing that down the road.
It does say 10", but that would surprise me. You could probably put 14" in, but they are a chunk of change.
Quote from: Dave Shepard on June 29, 2018, 09:12:18 PM
It does say 10", but that would surprise me. You could probably put 14" in, but they are a chunk of change.
Aint that the truth. I think mine, carbide, are $150/ea.
Percy, I've had a couple Subaru motors over the years and also have been happy with them. 4x4 I'm not even sure what diesel they are using. I've talked to so many company's lately I can't remember. I think it's a kohler 21 horse. Pa mizerman, Dave I think they are coming with 10in blades now, if you look on the wm website it says 10" in the description but list 14" in the specs. I think to get a thicker cut I'll have to open the throat up wider and buy a set of 14" blades.
Well the edger is more than halfway back here from Pennsylvania. Dad sent a few pics and confirmed that it is a 24 hp yanmar diesel. Happy about that , I much prefer the yanmar to the kohler. I see a lot of yanmar diesels around the marina and I've never heard an owner say a bad thing about them. Here she is in stunning woodmizer orange.
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Mmm she so purdy!
Very nice, 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) smiley_beertoast
Talk about colors matching, I have a orange sawmill with a green and grey offbearing conveyor feeding a green green (Tom) chain, feeding a red edger, and a blue resaw. And I wear a white shirt that has no collar
Doug and Peter yes very Purdy and very nice. As far as colors matching I'd take whatever tool is available and suited to the task at hand. As far as shirts, I rarely wear one around in the summer unless I leave the house or have a guest over. My dad and uncle had a safe trip and I got her home and in the barn. First impressions, this thing is built like a tank and very heavy for its size. I didn't have any flitches handy but I did have some 4/4 hard maple boards that I had cut and stickered a few weeks ago to take a few test passes with. This machine is loud and angry and fast. So far I'm pretty impressed. It was a real pain getting the outfeed roller table off the top of the machine by myself due to the size and weight but wouldn't be too bad with help. The only thing I don't like so far is the outrigger jacks. I don't plan on going portable with this machine but if I was first thing I'd do is try to get some of those nice fine adjust rigs like the 70 comes with. I've liked most jobs I've had and always like getting new tools but this milling bug has got me more excited about doing hard work than anything I've experienced before. Here she is in all her bright orange glory ready to eat wood for breakfast,lunch and dinner.
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Found another pleasant surprise regarding the new edger today. The boy wanted to see what was hiding under her hood so I told him to figure how to open it up. He is a smart kid and I've been trying to teach him how to turn wrenches for a couple years now. He looked at the machine for about 15 seconds and said looks like i just gotta take these couple bolts out hand me the 1/2 inch. It's not complicated but for a ten year old I was impressed. I had to break one of the 4 bolts loose for him. So to my amazement, we opened the blade housing cover and sure enough 14 inch blades. This really surprised me because two different woodmizer sales people told me it has 10 inch blades. The website contradicts itself and says 10 inch on one page and lists 14in in the specs. I pointed this out to the sales people and was told the 14inch was a misprint and was assured it would come with 10 inch. I looked over the machine and for the life if me can't figure out why woodmizer wouldn't just open up the housing opening to increase capacity. The only thing I can think of is maybe they feel that running thick material might be too hard on the engine or machine itself. At any rate modification looks very simple and if the need arises I'll be opening her up like other members have.
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Also the website specs a 21 hp diesel that I was told I was getting not the 24hp i received so really a double bonus. Bigger blades and bigger better motor than what I was quoted. Can't beat that
How easy will it be to change the blades?
Bruno, it looks easy to change blades as far as a person with a little mechanical ability would have no problems. It's not a split stobe blade so they will have to come off the shaft and be realigned. It's one of those technically simple things to do but a little time consuming. When the time comes I'll give my ten year old a quick rundown and hand him the tools to get her done.
Wait til Marty reads this and finds out where the 14" 24hp machine is that a customer is coming to pick up! :o
;D
Quote from: Busybeaver on June 30, 2018, 03:51:01 PM
Well the edger is more than halfway back here from Pennsylvania. Dad sent a few pics and confirmed that it is a 24 hp yanmar diesel. Happy about that , I much prefer the yanmar to the kohler. I see a lot of yanmar diesels around the marina and I've never heard an owner say a bad thing about them. Here she is in stunning woodmizer orange.
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Can't beat brand new orange paint when you're buy wood sawing equipment. She should serve you well for many years! I'm envious! ;D
Sam , I'm sure this is the edger we were supposed to get. I just think the sales people are getting their info on some of the equipment wrong. Maybe a change in production and they weren't aware of it yet. They picked the machine up from Marty himself. They forgot the hitch for the truck and Marty let them borrow his. Said he seemed to be a really nice guy and both if them had nothing but good things to say about their experience there. My uncle said he was shipping Marty's hitch back to him tommorow. I'm gonna have to give him a call and remind him just in case.
Lawg dawg I'm sure this edger will last a long time and with the yanmar diesel it should be quite a few years before it needs a motor replacement. If you want to talk about envy, how about those barn pics you put up in the watcha sawing thread. I'd love something like that, first thing I thought was wow that's nice my township probably wouldn't even let me build something like that.
Any of you guys modify your woodmizer edgers for dust collection? I have a woodmaster 5 horse blower hooked up to my mill right now and would like to set it up for collection on the edger as well.
Quote from: Busybeaver on July 07, 2018, 06:51:00 PM
Any of you guys modify your woodmizer edgers for dust collection? I have a woodmaster 5 horse blower hooked up to my mill right now and would like to set it up for collection on the edger as well.
Years ago I had a blower/sucker/whatever hooked up to a box I built under the edger. It worked ....ok... but the time saved shoveling was offset by dealing with plug ups from short chunks of edgings getting jammed in the piping and the blower took a beating from knots and alla the short sticks that went thru. Perhaps you could build a "Grizzly"(simple device under edger with slots/boards that are at about a 45 degree angle. The sticks and chunks slide down the the 45 degree angle but the wind from the blower sucks the smaller sawdust..
That diesel looks awesome. smiley_thumbsup smiley_thumbsup
Nice talking with you today, I hope I helped you fix your new edger. Call anytime. :)
Percy, thanks for the tips on the dust collection. I'll try to rig something when I have time.
Peter, thank you for the advice. I did as you instructed and pulled a line through the machine from tip to tail. Blades and rollers were straight and square but fence alignment was about 3/16 out of line. This explains why short boards like 8' and 9' would come out fairly straight while the longer boards were unacceptable. I aligned the fence to the blades and ran a few long boards through and it is cutting much better so far. I'll see how it does tommorow when we get back into production. Thank you for your advice, it is greatly appreciated. Woodmizer trys to be helpful but I've learned right away if I have an issue to call people like you, Gary, Robert and Doug. Guys that run this equipment full time day in and day out to make a living. The knowledge you guys have from years of experience is mind boggling. Marty Parsons and his staff are very knowledgeable as well and have been great to work with. He called me Friday night after hours and had a couple suggestions as well. We are probably going to be buying an incline conveyor and transfer table through them and will definitely use them for all future woodmizer purchases.
A little update. I had questioned the capacity of this edger before purchasing and couldn't really get a definitive answer. I have ran a few hundred 2 3/8" thick flitches through this thing now with zero issues. I've even ran a handful of 2 1/2" thick through it. You have to give it a little shove to get it to start feeding but no issues. I have ran walnut, hard maple, hickory, cherry and some oak at 2 3/8 thick. What amazes me is with the diesel on this machine it eats the 2 3/8 at the same speed it eats 4/4 and it doesn't bog the motor in the least. It's like the machine doesnt even know the wood is there.
That my friend is why I got the 26 horse Cat, That thing will EAT.
Good yours is working like you want. 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
I run an electric eg200 and can cut 2 1/4". Just ordered the eg400 that should ship 10/11/18 which is supposed to cut 4 inches thick.