The Forestry Forum is sponsored in part by:

KNOW WHAT?
Between February 12, 2018 and June 18, 2018, this space displayed 13 Million, 871 Thousand and 87 times.



Forestry Forum
Sponsored by:


TimberKing Sawmills



Toll Free 1-800-582-0470

LogRite Tools



Norwood Industries Inc.


Sawmill & Woodlot Magazine



Your source for Portable Sawmills, Edgers, Resaws, Sharpeners, Setters, Bandsaw Blades and Sawmill Parts

EZ Boardwalk Sawmills. More Saw For Less Money!

STIHLDealers.com sponsored by Northeast STIHL


Woodland Sawmills

Peterson Swingmills

 KASCO SharpTech WoodMaxx Blades

Turbosawmill

Sawmill Exchange

BRUTE FORCE Authorized Dealer

Woodshax Outdoor Vending Solutions

FARMA


Council Tool

Baker Products

ECHO-Bearcat



Author Topic: One chain for my big saws, .404 vs 3/8  (Read 966 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Online Upstatewoodchuc

  • Full Member
  • **
  • Posts: 58
  • Location: Upstate NY
  • Gender: Male
  • I'm new!
    • Share Post
One chain for my big saws, .404 vs 3/8
« on: May 10, 2018, 01:41:26 PM »
    Well, CAD got me bad, after I was maxxing out my 36" mill and 394xp I decided to get a husky 3120xp  8). The lightly used 3120xp I picked up is wearing a 24" bar/.404 chain. My 394xp has a 36" .058 bar and 3/8 chain. I'm about to be buying a 42" bar and some others as spares, I would like to use 3/8 on my 3120 since I already own a big bar for it and many chains, however if 3/8 isn't practical for 42" or 54" lengths, then I don't want to invest in it. I want my 394 and 3120 to be interchangeable on my Alaskan and mini mill, that way my 365 is always free and out of a jig for quick use, also so it lives a longer life lol. What are your thoughts?
Current collection: Husky 3120xp,  394xp, 365, stihl 017, homelite xl12.  Ford 8n with loader and forks. 78 f150 woods truck.

Offline sawguy21

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 9400
  • Age: 69
  • Location: Enderby B.C. Canada
  • Gender: Male
    • Share Post
Re: One chain for my big saws, .404 vs 3/8
« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2018, 06:22:33 PM »
I think you will be happier with 3/8 on those long bars, .404 is pretty aggressive and will bog the saw down.
old age and treachery will always overcome youth and enthusiasm

Offline Maine372

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 539
    • Share Post
Re: One chain for my big saws, .404 vs 3/8
« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2018, 08:42:53 PM »
what ever bar/chain combo you own or want to run its pretty easy to just change the drive sprocket on the power head. just an e-clip and a washer.

Online Upstatewoodchuc

  • Full Member
  • **
  • Posts: 58
  • Location: Upstate NY
  • Gender: Male
  • I'm new!
    • Share Post
Re: One chain for my big saws, .404 vs 3/8
« Reply #3 on: May 11, 2018, 12:39:04 AM »
Thanks for the input guys, I guess I was wondering if for milling one chain had an advantage over the other. Does a bigger chain mean a straighter cut on a long bar? Does the wide kerf mean they bog less from packing with chips? I don't have much experience with .404 chain.
Current collection: Husky 3120xp,  394xp, 365, stihl 017, homelite xl12.  Ford 8n with loader and forks. 78 f150 woods truck.

Offline Skeans1

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 615
  • Location: Rainier, OR
  • I'm new!
    • Share Post
Re: One chain for my big saws, .404 vs 3/8
« Reply #4 on: May 11, 2018, 06:32:06 AM »
I run 3/8s all the way up to a 60 bar, that 394 should be able to pull a 42 without any issues.

Offline Just Right

  • member
  • *
  • Posts: 44
  • Age: 48
  • Location: Barnesville, GA
  • Gender: Male
  • I'm new!
    • Share Post
    • JustRightSawing
Re: One chain for my big saws, .404 vs 3/8
« Reply #5 on: May 11, 2018, 07:44:43 AM »
The .404 as a ripping chain on the longer bars cuts straighter as it gets more filings on it than the 3/8.  Once the 3/8 loses about 20% of the tooth due to filing it won't cut as straight as the .404.  All of that is if you are using a chainsaw mill and making big slabs.  I like the 3/8 for felling as a chisel chain.
If you are enjoying what you are doing,  is it still work?

Offline Ed

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 678
  • Age: 54
  • Location: Mid Michigan
  • Gender: Male
    • Share Post
Re: One chain for my big saws, .404 vs 3/8
« Reply #6 on: May 12, 2018, 12:45:02 AM »
I prefer .404 on my 084....especially the 60" bar. It gets full skip semi-chisel.

If the 60" is on the saw where I live, your cutting something thats full of dirt, fence and only god knows what else.

You aren't breaking any speed records, just want the chain to stay sharp and have the least ammount of teeth to file when (not "if") you hit something.

OTOH, my bars & chains for the 084 won't fit a smaller Stihl, swapping out isn't a concern.

Ed

Offline Al_Smith

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 9180
  • Location: Northwestern Ohio in the center of a giant corn field
  • Gender: Male
    • Share Post
Re: One chain for my big saws, .404 vs 3/8
« Reply #7 on: May 12, 2018, 08:01:02 PM »
I did a little experiment on a Mac 125 which has legendary  power .Usually running  a 36" bar with .404 chisel chain I used an 18" hard nose bar . What is unusual about that is most were sold in .063 gauge this one was .050.Changed the 8 .404 tooth rim to 8 tooth .375 .Although I anticipated a much faster cutting speed it didn't work out that way .There wasn't much difference at all . 

Offline homestead090

  • member
  • *
  • Posts: 9
  • I'm new!
    • Share Post
    • My Website
Re: One chain for my big saws, .404 vs 3/8
« Reply #8 on: May 24, 2018, 10:31:33 PM »
I have a granberg mill with parts to switch back and forth between a 36 inch mill and 60 inch. I'm using a Canon Superbar for the 36 and one of the double-ended bars from granberg (72 inches) in the 60 inch configuration. As far as saws, I'm using a Stihl 090 with the governor removed, so lots of power. I'm using .404 chain. I have not used 3/8 but comparing the 404 to the 3/8 on the bench, I'd rather use the 404. It's bigger, tougher, more to sharpen, etc. I feel it handles dirty wood, cuts through nails, or whatever else you hit better than the smaller 3/8. I don't know how much the kerf really makes a difference as far as speed goes. In my area, 404 chain does not seem to exist, so I order it. I'm using granbergs ripping chain and also got a good deal on Ebay on a NOS roll of Stihl Ripping chain. Made up a loop for the 36 and 72. I've got some videos milling if you want to see it all in action, click on my Youtube icon to the left. I've got a video milling up some big walnut and posting a video milling up some large white oak soon. In the walnut, with a sharp chain, I was making a 100 inch long cut at 30 - 36 inches wide in about 3-4 minutes when all went well. Other than hitting one nail right on the head, any nails I hit I cut right through them. Didn't notice most of them.....but a few I did. I think the same nails with a 3/8 would not have survived. The extra size of the 404 allows more sharpening. Hope this helps.
Furniture maker and wood collector.


Share via delicious Share via digg Share via facebook Share via linkedin Share via pinterest Share via reddit Share via stumble Share via tumblr Share via twitter

xx
New to chain saws?

Started by Kevin on Chainsaws

2 Replies
1310 Views
Last post November 05, 2003, 06:25:42 PM
by Duane_Moore
xx
Chain saws...which one?

Started by Henry-Adams on Chainsaws

39 Replies
6822 Views
Last post April 17, 2018, 09:19:10 AM
by knuckledragger
xx
Own three chain saws if possible.

Started by aquacanis on Chainsaws

84 Replies
9425 Views
Last post April 01, 2018, 03:03:39 PM
by mike_belben
xx
Chain saws...which one?

Started by Henry-Adams on Sawmills and Milling

0 Replies
972 Views
Last post July 22, 2004, 08:50:42 AM
by Henry-Adams
 


Powered by EzPortal