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« on: June 12, 2018, 02:30:14 AM »
so, since others may have this to build i have started this post.
any ideas or suggestions are welcome

here in Oregon i need to set up a fire fighting station on a 16 foot trailer so i can work in my woods during the fire season.
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https://www.oregon.gov/ODF/Fire/FirePreventionDocuments/2017%20Fire%20Season%20Requirements.pdf

water storage, two pallet water tanks. each tank will weigh about 2,300 for a total of 2.3 tons
Pump, Wick Si 250-7S Pump
then a reel of one inch booster hose that is 250 feet long, and 250 feet of lay flat hose.

I have two 5HP bulk water pumps that i will use to fill the water tanks



 
I will rotate the black pipe 90 Degrees so there is no "Hump"


 
the large 2 inch is the fill pipe
the smaller 3/4 inch is to let the air out during the fill


 
to find the center i took a piece of paper the width of the area then folded it in half


 
then used a dental pick to mark where to drill


 
then heated the plastic lid with a heat gun and used a 3/4 metal pipe to put threads in


 
and an electrical conduit nut to hold the pipe connecter
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Re: fire equipment
« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2018, 02:34:23 AM »
after the fire season i will remove the equipment from the trailer



 
will cut the Fill pipe and use this rubber splice to re-connect for next time
the black pipe is connected with  whatever this lever connector is


 
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Re: fire equipment
« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2018, 06:19:23 AM »
Looks good, would you like me to shoot a picture or two of our tanks?

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Re: fire equipment
« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2018, 09:47:39 AM »
Nice work.  Where are you getting the water?

A friend of mine down here has a car trailer with two tanks on it and a $600 gas pressure washer.. He makes about $400-600 a day just pressure washing sheds, houses, RVs etc etc all summer long.  He started off sealcoating and ended up with more work for the pressure washer.  
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Re: fire equipment
« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2018, 07:14:02 PM »
Looks good, would you like me to shoot a picture or two of our tanks?
YES
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Re: fire equipment
« Reply #5 on: June 12, 2018, 07:47:04 PM »
 

 

 
250 on the reel, 750 in the box with the intake filter, all the rest of the tools.

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Re: fire equipment
« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2018, 07:03:49 PM »
Nice work.  Where are you getting the water?
we have a 15 GPM well that my dad and i "witched" at two different times. we came within a foot of each other. it is 85 feet deep and almost an artesian. tastes great and is very soft.
I have a total of 4 water pallets. two for the trailer and two at the well. then use a 150 GPM pump to fill the trailer tanks. gravity feed is not feasible.
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Re: fire equipment
« Reply #7 on: June 14, 2018, 06:48:22 AM »
Did you drill and case it yourself?
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« Reply #8 on: June 14, 2018, 12:03:36 PM »
no, we had it drilled by Mohr well drilling, Roseburg, or
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« Reply #9 on: June 14, 2018, 12:34:32 PM »
I first thought of organizing the trailer like this.
but then the fuel cans would be too close to the pump engine.
the pump is removable so i can take it home each day. why leave $1,600 for some one to take.


 
will be changing the cheap Harbor freight jack to a stronger jack

so i changed to this


 
now the hose from the pump to the reel is too long, but usable

plan to make a wooden crate to hold the fuel cans
three off road diesel and one ethanol free gas

for now i am using scrap 2x6 and 2x4 to layout how i want the box.

will also make a locking wooden box to store the fire hose and stuff.


 

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Re: fire equipment
« Reply #10 on: June 14, 2018, 12:41:53 PM »
photos of the three stage pump


 

 

 

and the reel with 250 feet of hose


 

 
hose connection: Right to Left
1.5 inch hose
1.5 to 1 inch reducer
1 inch close
1 inch swivel connector that came with the reel
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Re: fire equipment
« Reply #11 on: June 14, 2018, 01:21:55 PM »
Something I was always told is the pump has to always be ready on the tank well on an operation during fire season.

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« Reply #12 on: June 14, 2018, 01:49:14 PM »
Yep.

my plan is, install pump, then work.
https://www.oregon.gov/ODF/Fire/FirePreventionDocuments/2017%20Fire%20Season%20Requirements.pdf

a quote from page 2
NEW IN 2017. Fire watch shall be on duty during any breaks (up to 3 hours) and for three hours after all power driven machinery used by the operator has been shut down for the day. Note: Some ODF districts waive this requirement based on the IFPL in place. Check with the district in which you are working. Douglas Forest Protective Association

Fire watch shall:
 Be physically capable and experienced to operate firefighting equipment.
 Have facilities for transportation and communications to summon assistance. 
 Observe all portions of the operation on which activity occurred during the day. 

after all of the above requirements have been done then remove pump and bring it back to home.
then the next day bring it back and re-connect.
we have a lot of theft in this area.

if i have to leave the pump then i will be installing a wireless trail camera system around the fire trailer.
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Re: fire equipment
« Reply #13 on: June 14, 2018, 01:51:59 PM »
If it was me Id keep the pump on just in case theres a fire then youre covered.

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« Reply #14 on: June 14, 2018, 11:40:04 PM »
Made a box for the pump frame


 
and left enough room for vibration movement


 

here is the fuel box


 
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Re: fire equipment
« Reply #15 on: June 15, 2018, 12:50:00 AM »
I have a total of 4 water pallets. two for the trailer and two at the well. then use a 150 GPM pump to fill the trailer tanks. gravity feed is not feasible.
What if you mount the two at the well up on a short tower, perhaps two feet higher than the tanks on the trailer?
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« Reply #16 on: June 15, 2018, 03:27:42 AM »
I have a total of 4 water pallets. two for the trailer and two at the well. then use a 150 GPM pump to fill the trailer tanks. gravity feed is not feasible.
What if you mount the two at the well up on a short tower, perhaps two feet higher than the tanks on the trailer?
yes i thought of that but the tower would have to be 7 feet tall and able of holding 2.3 tons
trailer height = 3 feet tall
pallet tank = 4 feet tall
total = 7 feet. plus the 2 feet taller you suggested = 9 feet
plus gravity flow is slower than pump flow.

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« Reply #17 on: June 15, 2018, 10:55:05 AM »
plus gravity flow is slower than pump flow.

True, but with an unrestricted 2" line, you would be amazed at how fast it can flow!  I have 1" line coming off my tank that gravity flows through about 40' of PVC with a vertical drop of about 2 feet.  With the ball valve open, it is delivering about 10 gpm - just no pressure to speak of.  In general, doubling the diameter of pipe increases the flow by a factor of 4.  I found a site that shows for each doubling in size of the pipe, the GPM goes up by a factor of 6.  So, if you only have the restrictions at the valves and your fill lines are 4" (on top of the tank), by gravity you would be looking at 2 to maybe 4 minutes to transfer the water.  Just a little less hassle then having to hook up and fire up a pump, IMHO.

A simple pole structure with X bracing (like you see for the old steam train locomotive towers) would do the trick.  Easy for me to say, I'm not doing the work! :D
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« Reply #18 on: June 15, 2018, 12:46:59 PM »
I need to rig up a tower like that to collect the roof water for the garden.  Lugging buckets out of the pond is gonna get old.
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Re: fire equipment
« Reply #19 on: June 15, 2018, 02:49:02 PM »
collect the roof water for the garden

I've got an aqua-ponics setup (feed fish that fertilize the plants).  I have three 275 gallon and one 330 gallon IBC to capture/store the rain water.  Then a 275 receiver after the garden that pumps up to a 275 holding tank at the top of the hill.  That slowly (3-5 gpm?) feeds into a 330 "fish tank" and back through the garden.  When all things are working right, I use up about 5 gallons a water a day for 10 grow beds (only tomatoes this year).
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