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How much lube water do you use?
« on: June 13, 2018, 10:00:35 PM »
Ok I get that it depends upon the species, speed and type blade.

Cutting pine I seem to use about twice as much water detergent mix as I do cutting poplar or oak.  Is this typical?
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Re: How much lube water do you use?
« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2018, 10:04:45 PM »
If you are having a problem with sap build up then yes, this time of year you will use a lot more to keep the band and belts clean.  
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Re: How much lube water do you use?
« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2018, 10:10:40 PM »
I had a blade dive on some pine.  The only issue I could ID was pitch build up.  I flooded the blade with water and retried the cut.  It was fine.  

In an 800+ board feet day of sawing pine (poles) I use three containers of water.  With the extra water come the other issues, like sawdust build up in the chute at the fingers.
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Re: How much lube water do you use?
« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2018, 10:15:15 PM »
How many feet did you have on the band at that point?  Are you using your debarker? Sand in SYP  bark will dull a blade quickly.  What are you running for bands? 
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« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2018, 10:17:17 PM »
No matter how much water I run my saw does not have issues with sawdust build up at the fingers, some cakes around the edge of the chute, but that is all, even red cedar stringy bark does not build up on the fingers, I suspect it has to do with the fact two of the fingers are in my scrap metal pile.  
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Re: How much lube water do you use?
« Reply #5 on: June 14, 2018, 07:06:26 AM »
I saw mostly White Pine, and a 5-gallon jug of water with soap will usually last me five or six days!

The biggest exception is when I get some "standing dead" pine, then I get build-up, so the flow of lube is increased and I can go through a gallon in one log!

Then, once in a while I'll get a few Ash logs and I seem to always get build-up so again, I use more lube!
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Re: How much lube water do you use?
« Reply #6 on: June 14, 2018, 08:27:59 AM »
I'm with Chuck on this.
I use either pine sol or ZEP 50 as an additive.
Still get some build up on the blade but spray with diesel when needed.
This seems to do no harm the the b57s
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Re: How much lube water do you use?
« Reply #7 on: June 14, 2018, 08:38:23 AM »
 The band had maybe 150 board feet (2 or 3 logs - poles). Running the debarker.  All I use is WM Double Hard 4 degree bands.  Was trying to conserve water at the time since I was having to haul water to the mobile sawing location.  By all accounts the blade "should" have been fine, the rosin buildup was the only thing I could find.

Maybe I need to increase the dishwashing liquid and use diesel spray?
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« Reply #8 on: June 14, 2018, 08:44:25 AM »
Are you using any Pine-Sol or Murphys Oil Soap in the mix as well? Cotton Picker Spindle Cleaner works well too.  
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« Reply #9 on: June 14, 2018, 08:45:40 AM »
For what it's worth I used to have issues with 4's and SYP, went to Turbos and solved that issue. 
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Re: How much lube water do you use?
« Reply #10 on: June 14, 2018, 09:35:52 AM »
I find Iím using less and less water.  On cedar I donít use any, walnut is the same.  I was using water on some Doug fir and had some pitch build up so I cut the water and the heat seemed to remove the pitch.

Anyone else use little to no water?  Is there a downside that Iím not seeing?

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Re: How much lube water do you use?
« Reply #11 on: June 14, 2018, 10:24:40 AM »
I haven't used water in about 3 years. I have a dish soap bottle full of vegetable oil by the mill and if the blade starts to get build up on it I squirt a little oil on it before every cut. Works for me on all types of wood.

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Re: How much lube water do you use?
« Reply #12 on: June 14, 2018, 10:45:54 AM »
No dount, try to use as little fluid as possible, it results in much better everything.  However, the band geometry, horsepower, mill alignment, log species, log freshness, feed speed, knots, etc will dictate how much the band can be pushed through the log and remain pitch free and cutting well.  Once pitch builds up, the band overheats and game over.  Too much fluid, and the sawdust packs against the sides of the band like wet flour, which pushes the band off alignment, causing friction and waves and overheat and game over.  

It's a game of give and take, but try to have the sawdust come out of the kerf relatively dry, about the same moisture level as the log being sawn.  If you can hit that happy optimum, then you can hang the sawdust brushes and scrapers on the wall.   

  

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Re: How much lube water do you use?
« Reply #13 on: June 14, 2018, 11:41:35 AM »
Ok I'm getting it, I'm using too much water on my pine.   Poplar, maple and oak I have no issues with.  On the hardwoods I get nearly dry sawdust.  I adjust the water to a small enough amount that the water stays on the top of the blade when the blade is stopped and the water still running.  In pine I've had the water running off the blade.   Apparently I'm wasting a lot of water on pine and causing sawdust to clump and stick.

Next time I saw, it will be all pine so I'll have a chance to monitor and adjust the water.  I'll try some pinesol or Murphy's in the water as well. 

As always I appreciate the advice from all.  Still learning stuff about portable saw milling everyday.
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Re: How much lube water do you use?
« Reply #14 on: June 14, 2018, 07:09:21 PM »
But if/when you do get blade buildup, run the mill with the blade flooded until the pitch clears.  With SYP I usually use 3-5 gallons per day with Cascade.  All bets are off with Longleaf or with logs with damage/lightening.  I sometimes have to run with the water full force with those.  :-\
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Re: How much lube water do you use?
« Reply #15 on: June 14, 2018, 08:04:12 PM »
I thought you were the Official Glug Man
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Re: How much lube water do you use?
« Reply #16 on: June 15, 2018, 05:06:22 AM »
I've been increasing the size of my glugs in the last few days. 

And decreasing the flow. Fill one bottle instead of three. 
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Re: How much lube water do you use?
« Reply #17 on: June 15, 2018, 06:18:04 AM »
I use 10 to 15 gal of water a year, no soap. Cutting slow will gum your blade.
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« Reply #18 on: June 15, 2018, 08:18:27 AM »
I use 10 to 15 gal of water a year
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Re: How much lube water do you use?
« Reply #19 on: June 15, 2018, 08:46:51 AM »
Much depends upon the species and log condition.  If you have pitch buildup on the blade it has to be removed or you will get blade dive, etc.  There is no one size fits all.
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