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Sharpening a ripping chain
« on: January 29, 2016, 09:05:14 PM »
Thanks in advance I am new to chainsaw milling in fact just ordered a 42 inch bar for my 044 and a full skip chain to go with it. I have heard to sharpen to a 10 degree angle. I would like to know why and could I go closer to 20 or even leave it at 30 I want to use it for crosscut too. I am not going to be using it very much but I sold my bandmill but still want to cut slabs. I have bell-saw for lumber.

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Re: Sharpening a ripping chain
« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2016, 10:28:59 PM »
The standard will rip but not leave a smooth finish like the dedicated chain. If you like the look or have a planer it won't matter.
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Re: Sharpening a ripping chain
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2016, 04:49:29 AM »
42" is a lot of bar for 70 cc's.

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Re: Sharpening a ripping chain
« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2016, 08:35:39 AM »
I know it will be fairly slow but can't afford a new saw right now. If I use it much I will move up. Gotta use what you got

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Re: Sharpening a ripping chain
« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2016, 05:46:21 PM »
A lower top-plate angle will give a smoother finish, as the cutters don't pull sideways quite as hard, leaving a smoother and narrower kerf. I like Stihl chains, and they don't make factory ripping chains anymore. I always start with stock 30 degree factory angles, then slowly adjust the top plate angle down each time I sharpen, to maximize cutter life. Works fine, and i end up ripping with 30 degree top plates all the time. Most people like 10-15, some even go down to 0 (square), but I've found that it's better to have some amount of positive angle, and 10 or 15 or so works pretty good.

The Husqvarna roller-guide sharpener works really well for ripping chain. I find it easier to file to 15 degrees or so with it than to 30, even though that's what it's designed for. It also offers a progressive depth-gauge depth filing plate, which will keep your chain cutting much better as the cutter wears (compared to fixed-depth depth gauge filing plates).

I have milled up to 24" softwoods with my MS440, but wouldn't want to go much wider than that with that saw. Tune it rich and take it slow!

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Re: Sharpening a ripping chain
« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2016, 08:48:39 PM »
Here's how I look at chainsaw milling .Not everybody agrees with me .As a rule the sawyer is salvaging logs that otherwise would be firewood which is okay .

Even with a standard chisel chain which will cut or rip circles around a rip chain and  the cut is smoother  than say a circular saw .If the lumber is for wood work, furniture projects etc. it's going to be planed any way so why bother with a slow cutting ripping chain ?Chainsaw milling is slow to begin with why add additional misery ?

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Re: Sharpening a ripping chain
« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2016, 10:28:26 PM »
Yeah I'm not to worried about being smooth as long as it's flat and even. I got planners and sanders.

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Re: Sharpening a ripping chain
« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2016, 10:36:10 PM »
Is it doable to cut 36" hardwoods with the 044 ? I bought a skip chain. I know it's not ideal but it should cut. I will probably do it very little anyway. I will do most of my sawing on my circle mill. I sold my bandmill a month ago and already miss it.

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Re: Sharpening a ripping chain
« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2016, 08:33:06 PM »
Is it doable to cut 36" hardwoods with the 044 ? I bought a skip chain. I know it's not ideal but it should cut. I will probably do it very little anyway. I will do most of my sawing on my circle mill. I sold my bandmill a month ago and already miss it.

 I do not believe an 044 would do 36in hardwood or last very long if it does. But good luck.

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Re: Sharpening a ripping chain
« Reply #9 on: February 02, 2016, 11:08:27 AM »
If you attempt this - running a 36 inch bar on an 044/440 - run your mix at 20:1 so you dont fry the cylinder.   

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Re: Sharpening a ripping chain
« Reply #10 on: February 02, 2016, 01:13:17 PM »
Like others have said, a 36" cut for any saw is a heavy pull, best done with the biggest available.  70cc is a little on the weak side.  You may be able to pull it off, but it will be slow going, and as sharkey said, mix your gas a little heavy on the oil, I would use 32:1, let the saw idle plenty after a cut, and never let it run out of gas, if it does the lean out thing in a heavy cut while it is hot, it might not start again, as you may well damage the piston/cyl.
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Re: Sharpening a ripping chain
« Reply #11 on: February 02, 2016, 02:13:10 PM »
Not trying to steal this but would a Jred 2188 be big enough to do this?
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Re: Sharpening a ripping chain
« Reply #12 on: February 02, 2016, 04:43:49 PM »
Is it doable to cut 36" hardwoods with the 044 ? I bought a skip chain. I know it's not ideal but it should cut. I will probably do it very little anyway. I will do most of my sawing on my circle mill. I sold my bandmill a month ago and already miss it.

I wouldn't mill 36" hardwood with my 440. I like the saw too much.

If you decide to go for it, tune it rich (at least 1000 rpm under max with a tach), and take it really slow, allowing the saw to rest and cool down often.

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Re: Sharpening a ripping chain
« Reply #13 on: February 02, 2016, 04:47:29 PM »
Not trying to steal this but would a Jred 2188 be big enough to do this?

It has the power. Also, those saws have an awful lot of platic on them. Melting the plastics would be a concern. Saws get hot during long cuts on the mill. It's a concern with many of the newer production saws, IMO.

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Re: Sharpening a ripping chain
« Reply #14 on: February 02, 2016, 06:07:21 PM »
If saw plastic was melting, I'd think we'd be hearing about it.

But I hear nothing...   anyone?
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Re: Sharpening a ripping chain
« Reply #15 on: February 02, 2016, 07:32:59 PM »
Thanks guys I have a ash log bout 38 inch and 15 ft long that's to big for my little woodland 126
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Re: Sharpening a ripping chain
« Reply #16 on: February 04, 2016, 07:14:10 PM »
I will not be cutting that big often at all i will be looking for a 660 in the meantime.

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Re: Sharpening a ripping chain
« Reply #17 on: February 04, 2016, 09:19:20 PM »
You can rip cut, mill with a smaller displacement saw but it's slow as a snail .I tried it with an 048 Stihl cutting 18" red oak .Wow was that a chore .

Now that said if it were I it would be at least 100 cc if not larger .066 Stihl  would do it but it won't beat any speed records .

Like I've said many times chainsaw milling in my opinion is an option  to salvage lumber from what other wise would become fire wood so use what you can get your hands on .I wouldn't recommend a 42 cc saw though for a task like that as if anyone would .

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Re: Sharpening a ripping chain
« Reply #18 on: February 06, 2016, 10:59:10 PM »
So I've been milling with a chainsaw mill for a few years and have done around 20 or so logs, plus a few for buddies. I only mill logs 32" wide and up and are 10'-14' long. Anything smaller isn't worth the work and gets turned into firewood. Not bragging, I'm still learning every time I do it. I have gone through a fair amount of chain trying to find the "perfect" ripping chain and what I've learned among a ton of other things is this: It works the hell out of my 880 and 660. You are asking your saw to work at max capacity for long periods of time. I would never put a 42" bar on my 440s. I'd bet dollars to donuts that you will burn it up and spend a lot of time doing it without much gain. Sharp chain filed evenly and correctly with the rakers filed correctly is essential. Skip chain is essential. Round gound filed at 10 degrees vs square ground at stock is noticeable only in smoothness. "Store bought" ripping chain is no better in performance than stock chain filed to 10 degrees. Chisel chain is rougher than semi-chisel chain. Old nails in trees are not good on chain. So, in summation and trying to stay on the topic of your post, my advice is this:  Get a 660, put a max air flow air filter on it and a dual port muffler and put that 42" bar on that and save your 440. You WILL kill that wonderful little saw trying to mill anything bigger than 24" with it, and even then, I'd be nervous.  Also, try having the dealer make a chain at 10 degrees and get another leaving it stock and see for yourself.  It may cost a little extra, but it's nice having an extra chain and you'll know first hand how it differs. let us know what you end up doing and what worked and what didn't. Maybe I'll learn something new.
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Re: Sharpening a ripping chain
« Reply #19 on: February 08, 2016, 09:56:52 PM »
Beauj5, have you tried 0 degree ripping chain compared to 10 degree?


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