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Ash tree help
« on: July 07, 2017, 09:17:29 PM »
Hi-

I have a couple of Ash trees (I think) in my backyard. One looks healthy to me, the other not so much. Can anyone verify they are ash? If so, any thoughts if the unhealthy one might be subject to EAB. Here are three pics of the 'healthy' one.






And here are three of the unhealthy one

I may be difficult to see but there are a few dead branches half way up on the left side






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Re: Ash tree help
« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2017, 10:28:59 PM »
Yes, they are ash.
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Re: Ash tree help
« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2017, 04:42:05 PM »
Thanks for the confirmation WDH.

Anyone have thoughts on the health of the second tree?

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Re: Ash tree help
« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2017, 08:16:02 PM »
It does not look the best, but give it some more time to see if if might get better.
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Re: Ash tree help
« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2017, 07:02:52 PM »
They are definitely Ash. Look for Borer marks on the bark you will see little holes. They can have death in the canopy for various reasons other than EAB and it is difficult too see in your photos if there are borer holes. If you see the holes the tree will not recover on its own. You can purchase products off of Amazon that are very easy to use you just drill into the bark and tap the spike in that contains the instecticide. If one of the trees has it the other will as well.
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« Reply #5 on: September 02, 2017, 05:11:18 AM »
That epicormic growth on the trunk of the unhealthy tree is another EAB indicator.  Check for loose bark and bark splits. Many times you can pry open the splits a little and see the galleries created by the larva.  We found the D shaped exit holes,  suckering,  loose bark,  and splits are usually evident on the south facing trunk first when EAB was the culprit.  Bayer Tree & Shrub has worked well on a couple yard trees we wanted to save and had been treating for a few years before EAB became evident in the area.  They're the only (2) mature ash trees for miles around.  It did not do much for trees at another location that had been under obvious attack though.

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Re: Ash tree help
« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2018, 08:39:31 PM »
My land is surrounded with beautiful white ash if I ever see someone from the city bringing ash firewood to my place I think I'll have a heart attack. I'm even considering having family and friends wash their cars before coming over.
But I'm resigned with the fact that sooner or later they will be trashed. I started planting oak and walnut to eventually take their place
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« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2018, 11:16:03 PM »
Not to dampen your spirit there but now the walnut has thousand canker disease and the white oak has wilt, so.... On a good note - there ain't nothing that is killing Sweet Gum!!  
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Re: Ash tree help
« Reply #8 on: March 22, 2018, 07:51:05 AM »
Sweet Gum?? I just looked it up. It a beautiful tree but not sure it will grow this far north. I'll talk to some people I know at a tree farm not far from here.
Thanks for the suggestion. But i am pretty discouraged about what is happening to our trees. Are they the canaries in the coal mine?
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Re: Ash tree help
« Reply #9 on: March 25, 2018, 09:01:46 PM »
Lumbergent,

   I think Southside is pulling your leg. I think the reason nothing bothers the sweetgum is that nothing wants or uses them (except beavers love them).
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Re: Ash tree help
« Reply #10 on: March 26, 2018, 09:23:09 AM »
When I had goats they preferred the sweet gum over all the other trees. I have white oaks that are slowly dieing off over a few years I think its from Oak anthracnose. The snow and ice storm from last week only seemed to really damage the red maples. Lost 3 trees completely and will have to drop 3 or 4 more that were so damaged from having all there branches ripped off that if left they will just die.
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Re: Ash tree help
« Reply #11 on: June 29, 2018, 10:15:41 PM »
It's been almost a year since my original post, here's an update.

Here's the one that was 'healthy' last year (picture 1 from original post). Not looking so good now.





Looks like EAB got it  :(





Here's the 'unhealthy' one (picture 4 from original post). Looks about the same as last year, no bore holes noticeable.





Probably take the infected one down in the fall.

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Re: Ash tree help
« Reply #12 on: October 17, 2018, 09:46:43 AM »
I ended up taking them both down this past weekend. Replaced one with a White Oak.




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Re: Ash tree help
« Reply #13 on: October 20, 2018, 07:14:54 AM »
It's a shame, these are noble, pretty, and very useful trees. I have taken down around 40 or so in the last 10 months on a 10 acre plot. All dead or nearly so. I have also been marking others to watch through the growth season, none of those are healthy either, but I am keeping some for a few years while they are still viable. We got a sawmill to make some lumber out of them because there is so much and you can only use so much firewood. It's a shame to make those nice big stems into cord wood. They have been dying here for years now and I am just looking for a healthy one at this point. I wish they would release a lot more of those predator wasps to eradicate this *danged insect.
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Re: Ash tree help
« Reply #14 on: October 20, 2018, 09:28:45 AM »
Believe it or not the ash will probably make a come back .I've lost track of how many I had to fall .Kept the saw logs and processed the firewood .
With the removal of these dead trees I literally have hundreds and hundreds of ash saplings that have sprouted because the sun light can reach the ground .
Having said that even if they return it will be well  over 100 years before anybody sees those 100 foot 30 to 36" in diameter ash trees again .What they do for baseball bats until then I haven't a clue .Maybe the crack of the ash will be replaced with the bonk of aluminum  but it won't be the same . :(

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« Reply #15 on: October 20, 2018, 05:59:19 PM »
Around here ash grows like weeds. Arthur knocked down some big overstory aspen along the road that grow on old farm ground. Now that those aspens are gone from the canopy, the ash is growing like dog hair in the new light. We do have confirmed ash borer in northern New Brunswick and Maine now, so it will likely continue south. But at least those small seedlings and whips are not big enough for bug homes. So maybe they will just move through like budworm for 3-5 years and not return in numbers for 2 or 3 decades or never. Well, one can hope. ;)




Pre-commercial thinning pays off. :)

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« Reply #16 on: October 20, 2018, 10:51:44 PM »
What they do for baseball bats until then I haven't a clue .Maybe the crack of the ash will be replaced with the bonk of aluminum  but it won't be the same . :(
Here's an interesting article...maple? - https://deadspin.com/how-maple-bats-kicked-ash-and-conquered-baseball-1828559282

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« Reply #17 on: October 21, 2018, 05:45:03 AM »
I've always liked maple axe handles to, over ash. I've ignored the experts and found often stuff works better if you don't know what you're suppose to. :D They don't bust a crack along the pore grain. In fact never split one yet. But yeah, they get chewed up like any wood around the collar of the axe, but still not as fast because the grain is closed. ;D

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Re: Ash tree help
« Reply #18 on: October 21, 2018, 10:11:04 AM »
Good old hickory probably makes the best axe handles .I don't think however it makes the best ball bats.
They claim the EAB invasions can be tracked to an Asian automotive  parts plant near Detroit from packing cases made in the Pacific rim.From there it propagated .It was said the ash made up about 20 percent of the trees in Ohio and most likely killed all of them over about 3 inches in diameter.

In addition to the saplings I have some that propagated from the roots of large ash that were about 100 feet tall .These are know 12-15 feet tall,doing well but most likely will fail once and if they gain any size .They may get large enough to have seeds and replant the stock or they might not .Somebody will know in maybe 30 years .At 70 years old now it's not likely that I will .

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« Reply #19 on: October 21, 2018, 03:01:34 PM »
Could be, but no hickory in sight here of 100's of miles. ;) I know Roy Underhill said fast grown hickory was better than slow grown, more dense closed grain latewood in fast grown hickory.  :)

Down in southern Maine where Ray (TheCFarm) is at, his one hickory he claimed was a transplant. Never seen any others in his area.

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