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Fence posts
« on: February 05, 2018, 08:55:05 PM »
Iíve been reading many of the discussions on here and am interested in using hedge posts or black locust. Iím in north Georgia. Most everyone here uses pressure treated pine. Can anyone give me some direction on where to find these other woods? Iím putting up 3000í of fencing for horses. Much Thanks!

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Re: Fence posts
« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2018, 10:52:32 AM »
Welcome to the Forestry Forum, chipandcharm!

Up here, the Amish refer to the Black Locust as being the permanent fence post!

IMHO, I think they'll outlast the pressure treated stuff!
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Re: Fence posts
« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2018, 11:16:51 AM »
I have just regular pressure treated 4x4's as fence posts after about 10 years the core of the 4x4's started rotting out.
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Re: Fence posts
« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2018, 02:50:47 PM »
In my pastures, I use cedar. I have found that the ones that grow in the forest last longer, than the ones found in fence rows or along field edges.  Figured it has something to do with the growth of the field vs the one found in the woods (grow slower, tighter core)  ??? ........ always heard that Locust was first choice for fencing

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Re: Fence posts
« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2018, 07:35:11 PM »
The same forest vs field grown applies to locust too. The old timers will let them season before putting them in the ground as well.

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Re: Fence posts
« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2018, 08:27:21 PM »
Osage orange,hedge is probably the best .Black locust is good .Believe it or not catalpa .Red mulberry which is a second cousin to hedge is good also .

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« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2018, 08:29:45 PM »
We got some cedar post on the place that have been there since the early 80s
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« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2018, 06:39:36 PM »
ChipandCharm - It's believed that Black Locust is native to the Southeast, including northern Georgia, however, the exact native range is not known, since it has been spread to all of the lower 48 US (as well as to other countries). Odds are there is some of it growing somewhere not too far from you.

I don't think I've ever seen it for sale in local lumber yards, but when I need some for a post for some project or another, I just go out and cut some down from a stand on my property.
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« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2018, 09:26:28 AM »
They say when the nail rots out your black locust post is half used up.   Its pretty hard to find where i am now though.  I had a few sapplings in my woods someone actually stole.


Ive been seeing really good rot resistance in sourwood which is sorta useless other than for bees and arrows.
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« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2018, 09:37:01 AM »
I had a few sapplings in my woods someone actually stole.

Someone stole your Black Locust saplings? Around here, they are considered weeds. My forester tried to convince me to cut all of the small population I have growing not far from the house, so they wouldn't spread. I declined, since I have some good use for them.
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Re: Fence posts
« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2018, 12:18:52 PM »
A lot of people are really poor where i live, and theres lots of abandoned property so if you need some kinda junk you just poke around.  I dug 2 fenceposts and a dish antenna post up a month ago from the burned house next door for a project.

  I wasnt living here at the time, but had a picture of the tree in full thorns and knew exactly where it was, stump is there, and i didnt cut it.

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« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2018, 10:54:55 PM »
Welcome to the Forum Chipandcharm.  
I agree with Al Smith - Hedge are the best.  We have some here on the farm that are over 70 years old.  Locals claim that hedge doesn't rust as quickly as nails (laugh).  

One downside of hedge is that you need to use it soon after it is cut or it becomes VERY HARD.  The old posts that we have here would challenge anyone to drive a staple into them - they are as hard as a rock.


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« Reply #12 on: February 20, 2018, 07:54:48 PM »
My grandmothers farm, she was a widow, was about 2 miles deep .The line fences where all hedgerows  My cousin and I would cut the posts when we were teenagers with at that time a brand new 250 McCulloch chainsaw with a bow bar and a slow as a snail Clinton  .Thousands of them  .Granny bought the saw, paid us I think 20 cents  a pop and sold them for 50 to 75 cents each .She always sold out come spring time .Good money for a kid plus we got grannys cooking .In the years we did it we never got completely around the farm .

That said she passed in I think 1996 .The last I was ever on the farm .However at that time there were still stout fences erected by uncles in the early 50's when I was just a little boy and they were still bull strong posts .Fence was getting a little rusty .

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« Reply #13 on: March 08, 2018, 08:41:56 PM »
I cut my own, and treated them with diesel fuel, and copper napathate.  You can buy it in bulk, and mix it at a 2% .  Check out copper napathate on the internet, and it sells in 5 or 50 gallon drums.  My dad put in pine 4x4s and treated them with Cuprinol (same as the two percent solution), and they have lasted over 35 years.  Cheaper, and reliable. 
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« Reply #14 on: March 09, 2018, 11:03:10 PM »
It might have something to do with the soil conditions .On my grandmothers farm in Knox county Ohio it was gravel  under .In  the  blue clay where I live it could be several  hundred feet of same  before you hit the limestone.

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« Reply #15 on: March 10, 2018, 08:37:08 AM »
   I don't know what kind of wood they used there but strangest sight I ever saw for post or poles was in the Gobi Desert in Mongolia. Even though it was very dry there was something in the soil that would eat or rot out a post in short order. I don't know if it was a chemical reaction, microbes or insects. All the telephone poles I saw there were strapped to concrete posts about 6" square. I don't know how much was in the ground but they'd leave 5'-6' sticking up above ground and put 2 metal straps around the poles at the top and bottom of the post. The poles were about 5"-6" in diameter and probably less than 20' tall. All I remember was a single wire running from pole to pole across the desert. Sort of like the old telegraph wire in old western movies.
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Re: Fence posts
« Reply #16 on: March 10, 2018, 01:50:32 PM »
Go with the local standard I would say. Up here above the snow line we always used eastern white cedar. They to are best made from the slow grown stuff. There are still old cedar rail here on abandoned farmland placed there over 100 years ago. They were usually up out of the mud and on rocks that were hand picked from the original land clearing. I do know however that beaver killed cedar will stand for longer than I've been around. ;D

Pre-commercial thinning pays off. :)

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« Reply #17 on: March 11, 2018, 03:49:24 PM »
Not fence posts but western red cedar is used for utility poles in these parts .Those and southern yellow pine .The pine is treated and as far as I know the  cedar is not .I've pulled 40  foot cedars  out of the ground in the 80's that were butt stamped in the 50's and they were still good .The part below ground never goes bad .Above ground it's the part above the ground,the last foot or so that degrade .
Here of late they use a treated paper sleeve placed about 6 inches in the ground going up another 6 or so the help prevent  butt rot .What it is I have no idea but if it works on a pole I should think it work work on a fence post .

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« Reply #19 on: March 11, 2018, 06:37:10 PM »
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