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Author Topic: Winch (gathered wheel chair and scooter motors)  (Read 4689 times)

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Re: Winch (gathered wheel chair and scooter motors)
« Reply #20 on: January 24, 2018, 09:26:24 PM »
Scooter motor has twice the power of wheelchair motors. They also have a builtin disk brake. Remove the brake if you don't need it. It is spring loaded on, have to apply power to hold it released.
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Re: Winch (gathered wheel chair and scooter motors)
« Reply #21 on: January 24, 2018, 10:02:24 PM »
This one ran so smooth I can't imagine that it had the brake on, but idk. Any idea why the wheel chair motors seem so slow?

Any idea how to connect speed control to scooter motor or find out if it works?

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Re: Winch (gathered wheel chair and scooter motors)
« Reply #22 on: January 25, 2018, 02:29:05 AM »
I forgot to add I had both motors hooked to 12v not 24.  I know the scooter is 24v, but I am just assuming the wheel chair motors are...
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Re: Winch (gathered wheel chair and scooter motors)
« Reply #23 on: January 25, 2018, 06:28:36 AM »
This is what I used for a speed control. Got it off E-bay...

 

 
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Re: Winch (gathered wheel chair and scooter motors)
« Reply #24 on: January 25, 2018, 07:01:54 AM »
So, can you use the speed control that came with the scooter (if it works)? Will that controller work for any of these motors I have? Or, is there something I need to check before I get it?

This is what I used for a speed control. Got it off E-bay...

 

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Re: Winch (gathered wheel chair and scooter motors)
« Reply #25 on: January 25, 2018, 07:15:24 AM »
So, can you use the speed control that came with the scooter (if it works)? Will that controller work for any of these motors I have? Or, is there something I need to check before I get it?

This is what I used for a speed control. Got it off E-bay...

 

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Sure you can use it... It might be a joystick and hard to control.
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Re: Winch (gathered wheel chair and scooter motors)
« Reply #26 on: January 25, 2018, 07:56:21 AM »
So, can you use the speed control that came with the scooter (if it works)? Will that controller work for any of these motors I have? Or, is there something I need to check before I get it?

This is what I used for a speed control. Got it off E-bay...

 

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I am still using the chair controller on my mill. If the motors are 24V and the controller is 24V, you will have to supply 24V for it to work. My way around that is that I use two 12v lawn tractor batteries. I am using two motors on my mill. One to raise/lower the head and the other for tracking. The controller is a joy stick. To use the motors, I just engage or disengage the gear box I want to use. Those lawn batteries last a couple days sawing till I have to charge them.

 

 

 

 

 

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Re: Winch (gathered wheel chair and scooter motors)
« Reply #27 on: January 25, 2018, 08:37:07 AM »
So, can you use the speed control that came with the scooter (if it works)? Will that controller work for any of these motors I have? Or, is there something I need to check before I get it?

This is what I used for a speed control. Got it off E-bay...

 

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Sure you can use it... It might be a joystick and hard to control.

I ordered one like you have. Any idea how to make the speed control on the scooter work until it comes in? How does it connect to the motor?

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Re: Winch (gathered wheel chair and scooter motors)
« Reply #28 on: January 25, 2018, 08:39:57 AM »
Thanks fish. I like your setup with the chain, but I don't have any. I do have the plenty of cable though  I will probably run mine on it. Where do you find that chain used.  I'm sure you can order it but what do they come on used?

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Re: Winch (gathered wheel chair and scooter motors)
« Reply #29 on: January 25, 2018, 09:30:52 AM »
You will find that the controller for scooter and wheelchair are much more than just speed control. Lots of safety features built in.
self check diagnostics, soft start, soft stop, brake actuation, fwd/reverse, max speed both fwd and rev, battery condition, joystick position. Example..If the joystick is even slightly off the neutral position or the throttle is not in stop position, on power up, shut down and lock the brake. The wheelchair controllers won't power up unless 2 motors are hooked up and operational. Do a search, there's lots of info on here...Another thought. wheelchair/scooter motors have built in gear reduction are sealed, rated for continuous duty, and are long life.
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Re: Winch (gathered wheel chair and scooter motors)
« Reply #30 on: January 25, 2018, 10:41:23 AM »
So, can you use the speed control that came with the scooter (if it works)? Will that controller work for any of these motors I have? Or, is there something I need to check before I get it?

This is what I used for a speed control. Got it off E-bay...

 

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Sure you can use it... It might be a joystick and hard to control.

So, with the speed control that you have does it matter much what gear sizes you have to move the sawhead back and forth? Because regardless of the gear size you should be able to adjust speed.  Right?

Thanks!

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Re: Winch (gathered wheel chair and scooter motors)
« Reply #31 on: January 25, 2018, 12:34:10 PM »
So, can you use the speed control that came with the scooter (if it works)? Will that controller work for any of these motors I have? Or, is there something I need to check before I get it?

This is what I used for a speed control. Got it off E-bay...

 

 (Image hidden from quote, click to view.)

Sure you can use it... It might be a joystick and hard to control.

So, with the speed control that you have does it matter much what gear sizes you have to move the sawhead back and forth? Because regardless of the gear size you should be able to adjust speed.  Right?

Thanks!

You kinda want to get it geared in the middle so you have room to play with
the speed. Also you cant use just the joystick. There needs to be a control
box somewhere. The joystick is just the switches that controls the control
box. Did you get everything? Even with the control off e-bay you will still
need at least a couple toggle switches to tell it when to go and in what
direction.
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Re: Winch (gathered wheel chair and scooter motors)
« Reply #32 on: January 25, 2018, 12:54:14 PM »
So, can you use the speed control that came with the scooter (if it works)? Will that controller work for any of these motors I have? Or, is there something I need to check before I get it?

This is what I used for a speed control. Got it off E-bay...

 

 (Image hidden from quote, click to view.)

Sure you can use it... It might be a joystick and hard to control.

So, with the speed control that you have does it matter much what gear sizes you have to move the sawhead back and forth? Because regardless of the gear size you should be able to adjust speed.  Right?

Thanks!

You kinda want to get it geared in the middle so you have room to play with
the speed. Also you cant use just the joystick. There needs to be a control
box somewhere. The joystick is just the switches that controls the control
box. Did you get everything? Even with the control off e-bay you will still
need at least a couple toggle switches to tell it when to go and in what
direction.

I am planning on using the scooter. It doesn't have directional control. It seems to only go forward and reverse. The gears and all come with it. I will try and post better pictures of what I have tonight. The two wheel chair motors are still connected to the tires. They are very old I would think. They only go in forward or reverse too.

Kbeitz, I also see where you used a wireless remote for a winch to move your power feed. How has it worked? I have one of those too that I may use.

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Re: Winch (gathered wheel chair and scooter motors)
« Reply #33 on: January 25, 2018, 01:20:24 PM »
It works... More a show off toy... I'm so used to running the mill without
it that most of the time I don't use it. I have safety stop switches mounted
so I can just send my mill off for a cut and go a rip a few boards until it
gets done sawing. Then I send it home and carry my board away with out
any worry about what my carriage is doing. I wear the controller on a chain
around my neck. Most of the time I forget it's there or I forget to get it out
of my shop.
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Re: Winch (gathered wheel chair and scooter motors)
« Reply #34 on: January 25, 2018, 03:50:42 PM »
That gold thing on the end of the motor is the brake.
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Re: Winch (gathered wheel chair and scooter motors)
« Reply #35 on: January 25, 2018, 05:16:22 PM »
So, can you use the speed control that came with the scooter (if it works)? Will that controller work for any of these motors I have? Or, is there something I need to check before I get it?

This is what I used for a speed control. Got it off E-bay...

 

 (Image hidden from quote, click to view.)

Sure you can use it... It might be a joystick and hard to control.

So, with the speed control that you have does it matter much what gear sizes you have to move the sawhead back and forth? Because regardless of the gear size you should be able to adjust speed.  Right?

Thanks!

You kinda want to get it geared in the middle so you have room to play with
the speed. Also you cant use just the joystick. There needs to be a control
box somewhere. The joystick is just the switches that controls the control
box. Did you get everything? Even with the control off e-bay you will still
need at least a couple toggle switches to tell it when to go and in what
direction.

I am planning on using the scooter. It doesn't have directional control. It seems to only go forward and reverse. The gears and all come with it. I will try and post better pictures of what I have tonight. The two wheel chair motors are still connected to the tires. They are very old I would think. They only go in forward or reverse too.

Kbeitz, I also see where you used a wireless remote for a winch to move your power feed. How has it worked? I have one of those too that I may use.

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Re: Winch (gathered wheel chair and scooter motors)
« Reply #36 on: January 25, 2018, 05:38:20 PM »
So you put a huge honkin quote in your post as a warning, got to love it.
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« Reply #37 on: January 25, 2018, 05:42:27 PM »
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Re: Winch (gathered wheel chair and scooter motors)
« Reply #38 on: January 25, 2018, 07:45:49 PM »
It make it tough when your trying to answer one person.
That's why I quote someone.
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