Rain today so I thought you all would like to see this job. when I got to the job today I saw this :D :D :D A few logs all ln a row. so I set the mill up.
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(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22511/DSCN2408.JPG) The customer gave me the cut list and I started. the customer did a good job to line up the logs, but sometimes they get out of alignment . so I made a log mover for my self.
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22511/DSCN2410.JPG) It will work with any mill. just some 5" wheels and angle iron. the limbs are cut flush to the tree. I just roll the log up on it, I have 4"x4"x4' in front of it.
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(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22511/DSCN2413.JPG) just push the log sideways and your all lined up. will work with biger logs to.
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22511/DSCN2413.JPG) I use it all the time. it was hot to day so the umbrella came out today not to burn my but.
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22511/DSCN2414.JPG) and at the end of the day I blow off the mill. I have a aircompressor that I bring with me.
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(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22511/DSCN2419.JPG) I like to use a small tip, so I can get in all those small places. I like to blow out the filter too
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22511/DSCN2417.JPG) and then cover the mill and go home :D I made a small dent in the pile. ill go back wednesday
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Now that's a big job! Cool idea on the log mover too!
That is a nice whack of logs and a very good idea on the log mover/aligner.
What dimensions of lumber are you sawing?
Pete,good idea on that log evener,we just used the roller toe boards but only works if your on them. Frank C.
A tapered slab in the middle of the logs lets you steer it easy as you roll it also, looks like a week or so of cutting , might have to move the mill closer to pile after a coulple of days. Steve
I like that log aligner . Nice whack of logs also.
I like for the log pile to be at least 10' from the sawmill so I can adjust them with a 4"X4" as Steve suggested above.
I do have roller toe boards, but whatever method that you use, it is far easier to always have the log adjusted before it is loaded onto the sawmill.
Most times for minor adjustments on 8' logs, I roll it back onto the loader pulling the long end first and then back onto the sawmill pushing the long end first.
A good idea. What kind of wood? Rain here today too.
Great Whack O Logs Peter!
I like the idea of the "log shifter", must save a lot of hastle.
Peter, looks like you have a good system workin for you there, good job! Markd
All the wood is w pine and hemlock. the cut list is for a 24x50 barn. the customer had me cut some dry wood for the sticking. my wood, he did not want to use green wood. and yes ill have to move the mill in. I do use a tapered slab to steer the logs. but the log shifter has been a good thing to get them lined up a big help to me. the next job is just as big and the phone is ringing off the hook with lumber orders. :D :D
Clever idea .Egads you'll have a pile of saw dust before that job is done no doubt .
What a beautiful sight! All those logs lined up nice and pretty. Looks like you'll be busy for awhile. I love your log shifter.....very clever. Hey, and thanks for all the pictures.
I just finished my first portable job, and I was running into the misalignment issue. I like Peter's solution, I was thinking a small arch would be slick too.
It does not get a lot better than that.
I agree WDH, that is a dream job for sure. 8)
well I got at the job today and all the sawdust was gone and all the slabs . so I got out the atf and painted all the parts on the mill that move. :D
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22511/DSCN2423.JPG) fuel up sharp blade and here I go :D well the log shifter is not perfict the hook on the mill will get it sometimes
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22511/DSCN2426.JPG) on the cut list are some beams. the WM will cut nice and square but I check, I have a small square that I keep by my feet on the chair.
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22511/DSCN2428.JPG) but sometimes I over clamp. so I will shave the cant so its square
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22511/DSCN2429.JPG) I keep a pv on each side ov the log pile I think you can see them in the pic
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22511/DSCN2432.JPG) when im cutting I have to look out for the outside wheel the sawdust will get in there and stop it from turning :o
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22511/DSCN2430.JPG) .all and all to day went well. maybe after thursday ill have to move in. 2 days and I think im half way maybe :D :D :D
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That pile looks like it keeps getting bigger. Maybe the wood nymphs are secretly adding to it at night after you leave. You may never get finished :D. It could be the Hotel California of logs ;).
Quote from: WDH on May 02, 2012, 10:28:53 PM
That pile looks like it keeps getting bigger. Maybe the wood nymphs are secretly adding to it at night after you leave. You may never get finished :D. It could be the Hotel California of logs ;).
Quote from: Peter Drouin on May 02, 2012, 09:03:38 PM
well I gut at the job today and all the sawdust was gone and all the slabs too.
The nymphs take the slabs and dust, glue up 'logs' and put them on the end of the pile. ;D :D
JM
Nymphs are like that :D.
If you didn't have it all under control I would offer to come and help. ;D
Thanks costomsawyer :D things are going good, but today it rained well a drizzlr. made some wet sawdust :D to much work ahead to take a day off. :D I have logs to cut at home and under a roof, and only one mill :D I dont want to pull the mill back and fourth. so I though if I leave 40 at the barn and tied to the 24' ex I could cut while its raining and leave the new 50 at the job all covered up and I could stay dry :D :D I had to cleen up my sawdust this moring, just to tired yesterday
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22511/DSCN2435.JPG) you guys are right the other log pile is growing :D
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22511/DSCN2439.JPG) I caught the arm with a pice of stking and bent it ,when I bent it back :o
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22511/DSCN2441.JPG) it broke :D :D :D :D :D i did it before ill fix it again... I think its time to move the mill up for fridays cutting
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22511/DSCN2438.JPG) then bring it home to fix it and saw more logs , for a lumber order :D :D when I leave a job and kids live there I try to fix the logs so they dont move
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22511/DSCN2440.JPG) I try. the costomer wants to buy some dry stikens
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22511/DSCN2442.JPG) can do :D :D ;D
Well to day it rained , went and got the mill, muddy :D got home and fix the arm
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22511/DSCN2446.JPG) pant it black and done
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22511/DSCN2447.JPG) well I had the welder out ;DI have wanted to do this for a while . I removed a back stop off the 24' ex and put it on the mill
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22511/DSCN2448.JPG) Because sometimes when I turn A long cant it will hit the stop and chip the beam
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22511/DSCN2452.JPG) It should stop that from happening :D
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22511/DSCN2450.JPG) Boy dont that WM orange look purrrrrrty . look so good I allmost painted the hole mill :D :D :D :D that WM paint lays down well.
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22511/DSCN2451.JPG) the mill is ready to cut :D :D
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22511/DSCN2449.JPG) and the toys are in the barn
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22511/DSCN2453.JPG) :D :D :D :D I hope the sun comes out tomorrow
Good job. I missed it before, but you are loaded up with Fine Adjust Outriggers too. smiley_thumbsup
I'm short of time- too many projects, and I was really stalling about getting to this job. Problem was, the fella kept growing the pile the longer I waited :D Normally I'd be overjoyed to have a nice whack of wood to saw, but the construction loan on our house is due in 2 months, and I have a long wayto go yet. In fact I shouldn't even be on the forum probably :)
Ya MM , when I ordered the 40 I got all the find adjust out riggers,but I had to make caps for them. they will loosen
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22511/2948/001%7E0.JPG) This works for me :D
So far, mine have not loosened. Neither while sawing nor transporting.
They are very valuable options. :)
If it will stop raining I could get the job done. so I have ben cutting orders. then I needed more logs, and the logger not cutting trees becouse of the rain :D :D :D :D sometimes you cant win :D 8)
Well rain on monday , tue, and wen. so I did cut sat and im going to cut today. im all most done. Ill bring the mill home today. I had some logs show up sat :D :D
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I hear ya Peter!!!! If I see rain again before Christmas it will be too soon :( >:( ::)
Great saw job. Thanks for posting. Wouldn't it be great if all customers understood how you need to have the logs. I hope you are enjoying this job because they don't come around very often.
It has been nice watching that log pile grow smaller. I hope that you take a picture of the lumber pile before you leave. ;D
I will take some pic of the lumber MM, but he has it all over the place :D I put in 6 hrs today,rain tomorrow , tue and wen :D. he was saying something about some hemlock logs out in the woods. I don't know what ill find when I get back. When I looked at this job the logs were all over the place. Its when I got there that I saw all the logs in a pile. I have other jobs to get to, I did not think I would have this much wood I'm over 10,000 bf all ready :D and there's more. The next job I saw the 2 piles and there's 10,000 bf. And he wants me there now :D. I didn; t know the job was going to take this long. I can't find a strong back week mind tale man when you need one :D :D :D 8) 8) 8) 8) now I'm going out to cut the grass that's a foot tall :D
Your description is very vivid. Many times I have left a job for the weekend and there were more when I returned Monday morning than at the beginning. My present customer is skidding more logs this weekend, so I will see a surprise tomorrow morning. :o
Well I got the job done.a LOT OF WOOD . now for the next one :D :DI would have been done last week but the rain. I think NH has all the rain that it needs for now :D :D
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(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22511/DSCN2470.JPG) and the slab pile :D :D
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Post 2 :D :D :D Im not :D :D good at this
Peter
Nice to see the end of a good size job. Thanks for the pics.
Hopefully your customer gets his lumber up off the ground so it can dry. That pile next to a building and tight to the ground will stay some wet. ;)
What is the intended use for the stickered lumber in piles?
Looks like a nice ending to a nice saw job. Thanks for the look around. I am always glad to finish a job and move on to a new customer and new scenery. :)
To me, that is the joy of being portable.
When I got to the new job today I had to knock down the logs , a little hi :D :D
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22511/DSCN2473.JPG) Got set up and things went well. all w pine nice stuff :D I like to cut a lot of 2x4s at a time 8) 8) 8) 8)
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22511/DSCN2479.JPG) :D :D ;D
Those look like full size 2x4's.
I cut what the man wants :D Full 2x4 ;D
Well today went well. got a lot of wood cut. but some of the logs were not so good :D
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22511/DSCN2482.JPG) this one I all most cut with a chansaw being a log snob that I am :D :D :D ;D
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22511/DSCN2484.JPG) But I did get 8- 1"x14"x 12' and some 1x8 too. When I got into the pile I found this
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22511/DSCN2486.JPG) Two trees in one :D and I could not move it, so I use MM trick with the hook thing. and rolled it out
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22511/DSCN2487.JPG) then I cut it off
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22511/DSCN2488.JPG) thats my 2" pipe PV:D :D :D hope to be done tuesday, I hope :D :D :D
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(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22511/DSCN2481.JPG) Im not sure when the customer is going to stick his lumber. but best of luck to him :D
Thanks for posting all of these pictures. It helps a lot of us get our fix while we can't saw being tied up with other things.
Your wellcome Jemclimber, I did get done today. But I have to go back for the mill . not far away maybe 10 miles the rain came so I just covered it. question, do you guys cut sticking on every job? and do you do for free or charge for them, I mean 1"x1" sticking not just the edging. :D
That big pile of unstickered lumber is scary :).
Quote from: Peter Drouin on May 29, 2012, 08:00:59 PMdo you guys cut sticking on every job? and do you do for free or charge for them, I mean 1"x1" sticking not just the edging. :D
I don't cut it unless they ask me to cut it. It is a question that I ask them when we discuss the job. If they say yes, then I charge them for doing it.
If they say no then I throw all the edgings into the slab pile and they can pull them out.
It all depends on what they are going to use the lumber for.
I advise them if it's high quality hardwood lumber that they're going to use for furniture that they shouldn't use green stickers.
But if it's just barn boards for a shed or barn then using green stickers may not matter to them. I let them know that they may get sticker stain or sticker shadow on the boards/lumber. If they don't care, I don't care.
I have also built a sticker cutting frame on site and laid the stickers into it and cut them with a chain saw so that we'll have stickers while off bearing the lumber from the mill. So that we can stack and stick as we go.
If they want me to stack and stick as we go, because they are not there to do it with me then I charge them for that as it takes away my time from sawing.
I usually make my stickers 1"x2"x4' as we usually are edging in 2" drops when cutting softwood. If I'm making 2by stock then I'll edge in 1" drops to make stickers.
Hope that helps.
Jim Rogers
Peter, I really enjoyed all the pictures. I love your log of 2x4s. Thanks for sharing, I know it takes time.
Well I went and cut some logs today. the farmer fed me logs and it went well.
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22511/DSCN2523.JPG) I was eating lunch , I looked up, and some thing moved :o :o :o :o :o :o :o wheres my gun :o :o :D :D :D :D
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22511/DSCN2531.JPG) wow now I have to get a good look :D :D :D wheres the boys, I see you :D :D
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22511/DSCN2524.JPG) red deer all over . it was a good day sawing :D :D :D ;D
Looked like much better logs this time. I did not see any "trick" logs. ;D
There is an exotic farm a few miles away. I would love to ride through it and see what all they have.
Never seen any like them, are they a native species? The antlers look more like what you'd see on reindeer in Finland or around there.
This is one of the reasons I enjoy the portable milling. You never know what the next job will bring.
Great job on the milling.
Delawhere Jack the red deer I think come from europe . these deer are the ones that robinhood would shoot . the kings deer. :D :D :D
The Red Stag is native to New Zeland.
I've watched many hunts for them on the Outdoor Channel.
Hey thanks for posting all of the pics Peter, keeps a good record of what you've been doing.
Thanks for the
Ice. Now I know what I'm REALLY getting myself into ;)
I believe that red deer were imported into New Zealand. There were no native large mammals there before the hand of man.
Quote from: WDH on August 22, 2012, 07:58:06 PM
I believe that red deer were imported into New Zealand. There were no native large mammals there before the hand of man.
You been reading books again? ;D
I have read more books than there are scleriform vessel elements in a sweetgum log :D.
Actually, I got to visit on a logging benchmarking trip (work related :)), and the local Foresters told me that the red deer were introduced, and now they are trying to thin them down as they compete with the native critters. At the time that I was there, it was an open season on them.
Nice job, I just hope this guy has the stickers ready to use. I always check on this first, especially with 10,000ft worth plus, I will have the owner stack a few logs, straight ones, without knots, to cut out stickers, we cut them 42" long and pile them up. It does take a bit longer but the finish product is so much better. no double handling. Still yet if the guy has this kind of money he can do what he wishes. Great job,
Quote from: WDH on August 22, 2012, 07:58:06 PM
I believe that red deer were imported into New Zealand. There were no native large mammals there before the hand of man.
thats right.
And they do taste good!
cheers
Justin
Quote from: WDH on August 22, 2012, 07:58:06 PM
I believe that red deer were imported into New Zealand. There were no native large mammals there before the hand of man.
Bats and seals are the only native mammals of any kind. Everything else is introduced, and pretty much considered a pest if it's feral as there are no large natural predators either.
Ian
What a nice day today is. I went out to the mill today to cut some pine that I have in to 1"x21" 9'4" long. I know odd size, but look how nice it is :D
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(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22511/DSCN2560.JPG) and I got caught up on my wood turning blocks too.
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22511/DSCN2555.JPG) And I do cut some odd thing, some people love em all cherry :D :D :D :D
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(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22511/DSCN2556.JPG) and some fire place mantels I use wax on the ends. so they don;t split :D :D Did I say how nice a day it is :D :D 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
PD! very impressive! nice looking everthing. I just recently got into the wood turning blocks for a fellow that is doing this. Not quite the stock you have, but the same technique. Awsome work man, love to see this, it is good for the mojo factor for sure, you guys are a blessing. david
Wow, what a beautimous log!
Logs like that are what all of us sawyers dream of!
I also like your "wood store". :)
Wow! My SYP is not nearly that big nor that round! You go dude!
Quote from: Peter Drouin on August 30, 2012, 12:21:05 PM
I use wax on the ends. so they don;t split :D :D Did I say how nice a day it is :D :D 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
What kind of Wax do you use to seal the ends?
Hi BB. I use whatever I can get :D :D :D :D ski wax candle wax parafin wax it all works I did try anchorseal , that stuff don;t work for me,I heat the wax in a can and pant it on the big wood. the small wood I dip them in a cookie sheet, the wax is like 1" deep , It works well for me :)
Well to day I went to the tunbridge fair in vermont, what a nice fair. the men from NY where there selling mills, all sizes :D and they had some blackwallnut for sale. they do what I do try to sell a little wood at the fair. coffee money :D :D :D
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(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22511/DSCN2573.JPG) thats the new 38 horse yamar for the new 40 supper
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(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22511/006.JPG) And this is my friend yogi bear that came to see me we had a talk a bout the feeder. the bottom of the feeder is at 6'. he did say he will leave the honey bees alone :D :D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D
Hey Peter.....that's one of the prettiest pics I've seen in a while. All those Walnut slabs leaning up beside that ORANGE Wood-Mizer!
I'll bet ya'll had a good time. Nice pictures of Yogi!
Yes I did Postonlt40 It is a good fair . and that Yogi is a small one. we have a lot biger ones. In all the years I never had a problem with them. you see I have no dogs and all the wild life is allways in my yard. with or with out food :D :D
Another small job 5500 BF I get a lot of them. But this one the logs where old and the bark will come off and seem to get inbetween the cant and bed, I have to stop and clean out the bark out all the time. What a pain :D :D :D but I did get the job done day and a half
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(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22511/DSCN2580.JPG) but you know it was a nice day, a lot of sunshine :)
Nice, wish I had time to frame pics/ glad it is going that good for you.
Do they still have the horse pulls at the Tunbridge fair? I remember going there as a kid with our horses. Dont remember seeing the sawmills.
Hi sawdust lover. yes they do, and ox pull too. the mills have been there every time I go, but only WM is there. no outher mills I don;t know why, theres a big crowd there :D
Another nice day milling, small job 3 or 4k bf all w pine
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(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22511/DSCN2582.JPG) All box wood :D :D things went well. then they brought some black cherry logs in , old ones :D :D will see how that gos :D :D they use john to bring them
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(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22511/DSCN2584.JPG) there in the back and if you look good theres a b wallnut too. so the loger tells me not to leve tools behind thieves around :o :o :o well thats all I need to here. so now the extra work . Before I cover the mill I put a log on it pull the key
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22511/DSCN2588.JPG) then I pulled the hich :D :D :D
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22511/DSCN2589.JPG) the mill had best be there tomorrow :D :D
Peter, If I came to your work site at night trying to steal something and saw your mill covered up like that.........
I'D SHOOT IT !
DanG thing looks like a Dinosaur. :D eating out of a trash can.
An Apatosaurus :D.
Those cherry logs make me drool :).
Quote from: WDH on September 24, 2012, 09:42:09 PM
Those cherry logs make me drool :).
Yeah, I'm wiping slobber off the keyboard, too. ;D
Is a skidder an awesome-looking machine or what?
An awesome performing machine, too.
Hi all I finish today 3840.0 BF I would have some pic but the kodak will not work , wife says to much sawdust in it :D :D :D so I pulled out the spare .I was to get some pics of the cherry so WDH could drool all over himself :D :D :D ;D and Tree Feller can slobber more on his keyboard :D :D new job tomorrow :)
We really, really need pictures of that cherry lumber!
Please ??? ;D.
Quote from: Peter Drouin on September 25, 2012, 08:58:24 PM
Hi all I finish today 3840.0 BF I would have some pic but the kodak will not work , wife says to much sawdust in it :D :D :D so I pulled out the spare .I was to get some pics of the cherry so WDH could drool all over himself :D :D :D ;D and Tree Feller can slobber more on his keyboard :D :D new job tomorrow :)
Southern people drool and slobber by nature. Lumber have nothing to do with it. :D
How did you know that I was Southern? :D :D :D
Well WDH you do eat grits don;t ya :D :D :D
Quote from: Peter Drouin on September 25, 2012, 09:24:58 PM
Well WDH you do eat grits don;t ya :D :D :D
This just in........another thread shot all to whale due to food. :D
And to make it even worse, it was grits that did it ;D.
This just in........another thread shot all to whale due to food. :D
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Well let get it back on topic.
just one log from another day cutting wood. All the video is shot with an Iphone 4S
http://vimeo.com/50118425
28 inch small end 14 foot long knarly old aspen.
Cool video, but...
Where's The Cherry???
HI Tree Feller no pics of the cherry the camera died had to get a new one. but I did get some pics of the new job :D
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22511/DSCN2592.JPG) small job, all w pine. had a time to setting the mill, I like it level :D
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22511/DSCN2591.JPG) I started late 10 am, rain today. but it went well. got some wood cut. that fresh cut pine cuts like butter
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(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22511/DSCN2594.JPG) this is how the guy piled the logs, to hi you have to be careful :D :D
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Yeah, that could be a broke leg waiting to happen. Or worse.
You are a white-pine-cutting-rascal ;D. Also known as He-who-failed-to-take-pictures-of-the cherry :D.
Quote from: WDH on September 26, 2012, 08:28:29 PM
Also known as He-who-failed-to-take-pictures-of-the cherry :D.
Yeah, but the pics of the White Pine are very nice. Danny's right, though. You are one sawmillin' dood, Peter. ;D
Cody
I wouldn't mind a "small job" like that now and then......but a lower log pile might keep me from going completely gray.
Like the looks of those logs. Now the next job will have them every which way and spread all over the place.
If you go ahead and knock them down, you won't have to worry about them hurting you. Probably by the time that you read this, they will be sawn.
I don't like a high pile of logs either.
Other than personal injury, they could fall and roll against the mill, then damage the hydraulics and put you out of business for a few days.
I always keep the pile knocked down whenever "visitors" (customer's kids, etc) come around, because kids love to climb on log piles.
Also, at the end of the day, we always roll logs to fill the area between the pile and the mill! Sometimes it also helps to roll the logs up because we're sawing in a cow pasture and there is nothing any nosier than cattle, then they'll leave their mark right where you don't want it. smiley_bull_stomp
Hi all, well I did not get done today the guy wants to bring more logs in. So I left at 4. The logs will be there Monday :D
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22511/DSCN2595.JPG) all most maybe if I stay late :D not :D I'm going to the deer field fair tomorrow, WM will be there 8) 8). I did cut some stikings for him so all the wood will be moved out of the way :D
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(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22511/DSCN2596.JPG) just some of the wood, did I say I'm going to the FAIR and look at the new WM 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) maybe I'll get a LT50 :D :D :D :D :D
You lucky dog :D.
Hi all , A little wet today but thats ok :D went to the fair to see the new WM :D :D :D 8)
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22511/DSCN2598.JPG) jeremy from NY a little wet but having fun
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22511/DSCN2600.JPG) Ross from main showing how to use a WM
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(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22511/DSCN2607.JPG) All and all a good day even a turner mill was there
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What ? No LT 50
not yet sawmill buddy ;D I have more fairs to go to :D :D but there was a nice JD #60D excavator $ 70,000.oo, 7 ton , can move with a 1 ton and trailer the JD excavator I have now is to big 44,000 lb :D :D
Hi all, well I thought it was going to rain but it did;t good thing I wanted to bring the mill home today to fill some orders.
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(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22511/DSCN2614.JPG) I thought the guy did a nice job sticking his wood. But I would have put the wood higher off the ground, 4400 bf
Looks like that he has a lot more sticking to do :). That is a nice whack.
Hi all, today I worked at home my favorite place to work :D and was making live edge siding like a clapboard
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(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22511/DSCN2617.JPG) it goes good , but there is a trick to it :D ;D ;)
Please describe your technique.
Hey Danny he cheats. There's a woodmizer shingle/lapsiding fixture under that log...Pull a lever, saw a board, push the lever, saw another board.. ;D
Oh! It is all done with mirrors :D.
But try to get them all the same thickness. and as you go down the log the thing changes in width, and try to use all of the log, when you make a clapboard the cant is the same width , so you go down say 5/8 then 3/8 all the same . but not with a log ;D
Hi all what a day at the fryeburg fair in maine. WM was there with some mills
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(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22511/DSCN2619.JPG) and there where outher mills there too.
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22511/DSCN2621.JPG) I think it was to cut short wood, to make box lumber :D
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22511/DSCN2626.JPG) and a green one to
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(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22511/DSCN2628.JPG) But this is what I wanted ;D
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22511/DSCN2630.JPG) but at $ 32.000.oo to much money I could buy a log truck for that. not the best one but one that could carry 4000' of logs :D :D and one of these
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22511/DSCN2622.JPG) you know back in the day gypsys lived good and where good carpenters too :D
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(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22511/DSCN2636.JPG) a good day all an all
Those were some interesting pictures that you shared. Thanks for the look. :)
Hi MM , ya just when I think I can make things out of wood like furniture , and look at the work the gypys did a 100 years ago all by hand. :o it;s a lost art, you don;t see work like that no more. have a good day MM
Like those Thomas mills. ;D I always spend alot of time on that side of the fair. Looks like they run out of room and put WM by the barns. We did not go to any fairs this year. I kinda miss going and looking at all of the stuff that I want.
Hi all, A small job
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(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22511/DSCN2673.JPG) 3800 bf I did stop to see how the big boys do it :D :D :D
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(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22511/DSCN2651.JPG) they have a few logs to cut, but the saw mill, :o :o
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22511/DSCN2655.JPG) the debarker ring type nice job
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22511/DSCN2656.JPG) the old or the outher kind that will dig bark and wood, make a log round no matter what :D :D :D
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(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22511/DSCN2659.JPG) the SAW and top saw that log was going back and forth sooooo fast it made my eyes cross :D :D I talk to the sawyer . he said he started at 6 am. and had lunch at 12. I saw him at 2pm. he had cut 36000 bf by that time :o :o :D :D :D :D :D
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22511/DSCN2660.JPG) the edger with lasers :D
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(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22511/DSCN2664.JPG) the sorting table that was 100 yards long or better a lot of work and they have a geade stake mill to but I ran out of time :D :D :D
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Peter,
Thanks for all the great pictures. It appears you have done really well with your bissness since you went full time, hope it keeps growing.
Tim
I liked seeing the commercial operation, but I loved seeing yours. It is a pleasure seeing a whack of logs properly staged and ready for the WM. I also see that you saw um and leave um. :)
I like those mobile saw-jobs like your first photo Peter!
I usually go into a job looking at 1,500 - 4,000 bf worth of logs, and will usually expect to be there for one to four days, depending on just what the job entails!
Then, off to the next job. ;D
Well I got it all cut , the big cheery :D
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had to start with a chansaw
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then find the blanks :D :D
heres one
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Ilike to trim the ends, so the wax will stay 0n
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some are 23"x26" 6 to 8" deep
some nice ones :D
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I hope you guys like the pics
Very beautiful wood, and about my favorite wood to work with. Good stuff!
Peter, I like the gig you made on your mill to hold your wood.
Very insperational! thanks man, awsome job, very proffesional work!
Ya Postonlt40HD
you will find that you will have to make a lot of jigs ,for thing that have to be cut.
have fun :D :D
Well to day went well got to cut some 24' hemlock, the first one was junk. rotten in the middle, look good on the ends
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so I cut it in half for the chipper, I paid for that log now it's chips :D :D
the rest went good but you know how it gos broke a blade half way through a 24' cant
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When I cut beams I all ways look for square on the 2# face
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If I have to fix it thats the time to do it, well thats what I do :D :D ;)
then Im good
to take off the flinch I might have to cut it so ill mark it and cut it on the cant like this the 1" wood under the flinch so I don't hit it with the saw
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now to do all the flinchs with the edger :D :D
I did have a call for some slabs to make some maple syrup, can do :D :D :D
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I've seen things like this happen in person before....somewhere. :)
Good Pics Peter.
Well sat and sun was fun spent the 2 days at
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I set the mill up and made some saw dust the old men came a runing they love that and some have there own mills too.
I sold a little wood and some grade stakes but got my name out there,
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people would stop and get a card and talk, It was a good time one man has a saw mill said he can only do 20', well I said I do 45', that man was so happy I though he was going to kiss me :D :D :D
see he has this job over by the big lake on a 2,m $ house to cut the beams, but there are a lot over 20' like 1/2 of them,
see he said the customer want's to use all the wood and stone from the land, a job like this money is not a problem,there not looking for the low bid.I think I got 5 jobs and maybe a big one, well see.
monday I going to a job with 7,000 + bf 10 miles from the house, Ill get some pics
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hows that for some red oak
I had to think out side the box on this one for my fence :D :D
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drill a 1" hole and pound in a grade stake, that me a square going in a round hole, ain't that true Jeff :D :D :D :D ;) don;t get mad just kidding :D
I love those road shows, and you have an excellent setup. The is not much better way to spend a lazy day. smiley_thumbsup smiley_thumbsup
It's a lot of work to set up and brake down, but fun, and Im wellcome to set up there anytime, for 0 $ to me outher than my time and logs and gas :D :D :D :D :D :D 8) 8) 8)
The new job, well not quite what I thought I was going to see :D I had to put wood under the tires :o soft there
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some logs in a pile and some not :D
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the customer has to move some over
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and these I can't get to
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:D :D do you see the size of this w pine tree I put the saw down so you can see the size of the thing
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there moving the logs with this, a baby one :D :D
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and the first log 16' has 475 bf in it
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My poor back :D :D :D :D :D
I say it looks like a nice whack.
Since it is drying out a bit here, I got another call yesterday and two today. I just counted the list. 25 :o Thankfully some are small.
With 25 jobs thats a whack, and buy the time you get done there be 25 more :D :D Good for you MM and good luck 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
Peter,
After seeing that log, my LT15 would have quit and just went back home without me ;D.
Some will never be sawed for various reasons. I have watched staged logs rot on the ground because the landowner changed his mind, lost his health, or whatever. My list seldom gets below about a dozen jobs of various sizes.
I custom sawed some oak logs a week ago for a customer that has bought a lot of lumber from me. I did it more as a favor. After hitting a nail and several screws and ruining three blades, I decided that I will leave the custom sawing of yard trees to you professionals :).
Yeah, right, thanks. :-\ :D
Peter,I must be an old man too. ;D
Hey, no fair bringing age into the gitty-up-go picture. :D
Quote from: Magicman on April 29, 2013, 09:54:22 PM
Hey, no fair bringing age into the gitty-up-go picture. :D
at 69 MM you do well, Im 58 and hope I can still gitty, up at 69, thats why I have a chair on the mill when Im 100 , just set me in it and I cut and have a 50 something take the wood a way :D :D :D
Well to day started not good I put on a new WM blade and cut in the 475bf log and my cuts look like the ocean in a storm :D :D :D
so I slowed the blade down, well that helped but not good enough
so I put on a new blade 2# turn the log and cut, pulled the slab off and there was the ocean, now this log was not the best but come on I want a flat cut,over the years I have had new blades not work the way I want no big deal, so I am having a little fit, so put on a new blade 3# as I was backing up I hit pat for 1" then went forward but the head was not all the down to the next cut, so now I have the blade in the cant and the head going down, not good, so I backed up and that pulled the blade off
so I get blade 4#, all this in a 1/2 hr so Im putting on the 4# blade and I see the blade guard was loose :o :o :o
what had happing is theres a small allen screw that fell out
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and this is where it gos
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the pic is after I got one from the hardware store, the thing was dulling the blade and taking out the set the first time around, it would get all cockeyed :D :D :D smiley_dizzy
well after all that the mill cut like a champ
3500 bf more or less
now I have to go sharpen some blades :D :D
Next time if you leave more than a quarter for the wood nymphs, the set screw will not fall out. Down here, the wood nymphs like grits (and Jim Beam, just not together ;D).
Peter:
I know exactly what you mean.
I didn't start my day off very well.
First or second cut, right into the log rest:
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I don't think I've ever bent teeth over this bad before.
And last cut of the day:
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Last cut of the day, because I've had enough fun for one day..... :'( :D
Jim Rogers
Hi Jim, ya some days don;t go well
But to day I finish a job today 6,400 bf all but 200 bf was w pine
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the customer brought in the logs to me
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so line up was not bad :D :D
last night when I sharpen some blades I had 2 new ones that are junk when I hit the blade guide :D
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back of my truck with my junk :D :D :D
at lunch I pant my mill with ATF
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and that too
do any of you guys use the new debarker wheel it's 1/2 wide
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Not yet, but I have seen the advertisement. How does it do with smaller logs? It seems like only the lower corner would hit, but of course if it is sharp it should still cut a path.
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Not yet, but I have seen the advertisement. How does it do with smaller logs? It seems like only the lower corner would hit, but of course if it is sharp it should still cut a path.
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with w pine it works ok but with hard wood ,you have to cut slower because the lower corner will hit, you have to give it time to dig in.
will see how it gos, and MM it will throw more bark in your face then the old one did :D :D :D :D so now I hold my head off to one side when I use the debarker :D :D
thinking about the newer de-barkers made me remember back when I was shopping for a mill, and the best thing going then was the ole log wizzard that hooked to chain saws! sure glad we don't have this to worry about! what a chore this must be to clean off logs,
Quote from: drobertson on May 05, 2013, 08:19:57 PM
thinking about the newer de-barkers made me remember back when I was shopping for a mill, and the best thing going then was the ole log wizzard that hooked to chain saws! sure glad we don't have this to worry about! what a chore this must be to clean off logs,
I had one and it worked good, back in the day :D :D :D ;D
Yea, I reckon they are better than nothing at all, but they scared me into the debarker option real quick!
Well I got some butternut logs that a tree guy had got from some guys yard, and yes theres was some steel :D :D :D
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here are two I had 5
some are 2" planks and some are 4"x 14" wide
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and the steel , well I started but the steel was to deep :D
so I just cut it off ;D
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I found the steel with this
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The yellow thing :D :D
I had a pice that made a mantel too
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you don;t see a 6'x8"x16" butternut mantel at home depot :D :D :D :D
and the rest of the stuff I made turning blanks
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I use hot wax on everything
It was a good day sawing 8) 8) ;D ;)
A nice day to cut some wood, A small job with a lot of mud :D
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you can see the tire with wood under it :D
I got things going
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A slow start but thats ok, some days are like that :D
but when you work with logs things can happen,
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If not carefull they will get you, or role way off to one side then you have a fight :D :D
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I did get it down buy Letting it hit the outher logs to stop it and not hit the WM , but the line up was not that good
but my LOG MOVER work good
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the 3# log
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all lined up :D
would you all make a 4" one by out of this or toss it in the slab pile?
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I think I got 1/2 way or so Ill be there 2 more days, don;t want to kill myself :D :D
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I know Im the only one with an aircompressor on a job site :D :D but when im done I put ATF on some things , wet sawdust will rust things
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and On the debarker too
A pile of logs contains lots of potential energy and can be very dangerous.
Looks like that you have things set up nice.
Yes they can, I have to think when I go to use the metal detecter and put my back to the log pile :o :o :D
And you have your mill shed set up nice too, but with all the wood your going to have to get #2 shed up soon :D :D :D best of luck to you WDH
As a matter of fact, I have been thinking about millshed #2 :).
Nice day to day , then the thing :D :D
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what do you do with that :D :D
cut it :D
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I cut the hump and look :D :D :D :D :D
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From there I cut 1x12x10' some were 8' and I saved the short ones too :D I did ask the customer not to put it in the pile :D
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the hump he'll get it all :D :D all by the BF
When I make my piles I leave the first board out and put the length on it. and if the sawdust gets to high I can dig and know where to start counting the pile for the BF
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16 left done by noon maybe 1 :D :D
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rain at 4pm going home then to town meeting to night
to keep my tax DOWN :D :D :D :D :D
well got done to day 4700 bf, but I broke my mill :D
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the new debarker was biting hard and climbing up on the log ,and when it hit a limb stub it would jump out and bang back in to the log :o :o :o. way to much bite :D :D :D in this case biger is not better ;D ::)
well all fix now
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Iorn man wire feed works good
I have a customer in the morning with 7 or 800 bf of hard wood to do so I took the corners off to see how that works :D :D :D and yes WM will here all about it in the morning :D :D :D
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and if that don't work Ill put it on the cnc and make it like the old one :D :D I think it was 1/4 or 3/8 wide not the new 1/2"
ya know, it just seems like there is no easy way to cut large amounts of lumber. I mean even if you have to top of the line professional saw mill, you still are gonna burn thru 20 blades a day. If your one of those mills that produces all of the 2 x 4s in home depot.
I mean these high volume saw mills must be changing blades every 20 mins. Seems like there should be a better way to keep a blade sharp longer.
I wasn't aware that WM has come out with a 1/2" debarker blade.
Must take some "additional" power to run that especially if you have it really loaded! :o
I like the 1/4" myself I have only adjusted mine up/dn maybe twice since I've had the mill. I suppose if your debarker really takes a rap once in a while it may need realignment more often!
Nice saw-job Peter!
I have the same mill as Peter, and in white pine I would only use 2-3 bands a day, unless I hit something. WM says 2 hours or 800 board feet for the .055" bands, so that's about right cutting boards. Because I work alone, I don't really pay attention to the hour part.
Quote from: Dave Shepard on May 17, 2013, 10:01:30 AM
I have the same mill as Peter, and in white pine I would only use 2-3 bands a day, unless I hit something. WM says 2 hours or 800 board feet for the .055" bands, so that's about right cutting boards. Because I work alone, I don't really pay attention to the hour part.
you cut 400' in an hr alone ?
More like 300. That's 2400 feet a day/3 bands. If I'm sawing 3.5 inch planking or 30' 10"x12"s, then I might saw a lot more in a day. This is stationary with a Lull or other forklift.
What do you use 3.5 planking for, how much do you do of 1" boards in a day, say w pine :)
The 3.5" planks were for Dutch barn threshing floors. I'm not sure what I would do an hour just sawing 1" boards as I'm usually cutting timbers, so the 1" or 5/4 is incidental to the main project.
I do cut a lot of 2" and 1" ,some timbers too, the last job was all 1" x as wide as I could get some where 16",
It just seems like it takes for ever to cut 1" :D :D :D but some jobs are like that
working alone I could only cut 225 BF an hr,all 1", I think im getting old :D :D
Peter you just made me feel a bit better. I was cutting all 4/4 yesterday and the best I could do was 180 bf/hr. Granted I only had a handful of logs larger then 12" diameter and the max board width was specified as 12". So I cut some 16" down to 8" and so on. Also I'm quite a greenhorn at this. :P
With the forklift I load one log at a time, and push the slabs onto the loading arms. Boards go on one pile, and flitches go on another. I keep the piles close to the hitch end of the mill. At the end of the day I scoop up the flitches and take them to the edger. I don't have to handle slabs by hand, and I don't have to roll logs. I cut a bunch of tulip last year, all 1", I think that was just over 300/hr.
Quote from: Dave Shepard on May 17, 2013, 07:32:23 PM
With the forklift I load one log at a time, and push the slabs onto the loading arms. Boards go on one pile, and flitches go on another. I keep the piles close to the hitch end of the mill. At the end of the day I scoop up the flitches and take them to the edger. I don't have to handle slabs by hand, and I don't have to roll logs. I cut a bunch of tulip last year, all 1", I think that was just over 300/hr.
When Im home I have John deer help me ,and use the WM edger but I was working in a loggers landing, the pine was cut this past winter. when I go on a road job I just bring the mill. If I bring the john deer and the edger and the chipper I have to bring 3 or 4 men with me . then my 4700 bf job would be done in a day. I would stay on the mill all day .and let the help move the wood :D :D :D
So for an old man working alone with just the mill 67.50 an hr to cut 1" lumber I though was not bad . I can shine at 2" and biger lumber :D :D :D
I am trying to get off the road and have logs come here to me . It would be easer on me ;D
Had a customer want some cookies out of hemlock, I told him they will split but he said that will be ok, all 5" tall
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70 of them :D
do any of you know what this is for
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the bar is about 10lb and the tip is 2" or so wide and was made with the bend in it, and a T on the outher end
Quote from: Peter Drouin on May 21, 2013, 08:24:39 PM
the bar is about 10lb and the tip is 2" or so wide and was made with the bend in it, and a T on the outher end
Was going to guess bark spud but now I'm thinking a lever/wedge/treefeller thingy? ???
It is an Offbearer Behavioral Control Device.
:D :D :D "OBCD"! now thats' a good one ;D I might be afraid the offbearer might get a hold of it before me! ;D Everyday is a day of cutting something, if nothing more than through too much fat on a slab of bacon ;D david
Looks like a slate bar. 8)
the guy that gave it to me said it was use on a railroad to move cars, but I don't think so a rr car is to much weight.
I have use it to peel a log and it worked good but at 10lb you have to be in shape :D :D
But it could be a slate bar I don't know ;D
Was it on here someone was talking about putting a derailed train car back on the tracks with some sort of pry bar? This was only off the tracks a little,not 20 feet off the tracks. They claimed it did not take much effort to do it. Maybe I am thinking it happened that way????????
Think about when your hooking up a wood chipper to a truck, or a large trailer like that.
It prob could move a RR car a few inches, to make it hitch up. Like when your chipper is an inch off track from falling down on the ball. just pry it over.
My grandpa had one like that was a part of his tool kit when he was lineman on the CPR. If I remember right he said they used it to lift/pry the rails up to change out worn ties and then put the the steel plates on the new ties that the rails set on.
I think My dad still has that "crow bar".
thanks, that makes sense
started a small job to day. and the customer set it up nice
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I see one or two that have rot, the guy wants all 2"x12", 2"x6" and 8x8s all w pine, he said 5500 bf ,most are 16' logs, well see ;D
That is a well staged whack. smiley_thumbsup
It being 2" lumber and 8" squares.....should be a good day.
Quote from: POSTONLT40HD on May 28, 2013, 08:58:30 PM
It being 2" lumber and 8" squares.....should be a good day.
there will be some 1" to make 8" squares and some of the log are not good to make 2", for the cut list he has I think he has to get more logs :D :D
just got a call on a new job 6000 bf , rain tomorow but thats ok I have a customer coming to get 1500bf of lumber I have for him.
and have 3 cut list to price out. about time been a long winter 8)
Cutting is going ok, but sometimes you find a barber chair log , It did not split all the way but It made the log junk :D
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I did this to show you how the log split, then I turned it
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but I think the splt went all over
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what to do ? I just cut in to 1"x 12". some I got 16' some 8'
at the end of today It was hot 90s and I did not have the giddyup to move the log up on my mill. so I use Magicmans trick :D :D
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It work good thanks Magicman :D :D
then I was doing the count because the customer moves it at the end of the day but to day the danG smiley_furious 2x6x16' fell over
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I hate that
well I think Ill be done friday maybe :D only 15 or so logs
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Peter, Some hot out there today, i bet you wish you had a circus tent over you!!! snow 4 days ago and 90 degrees today,you did real well!! this weather is just crazy !!!! Don
Yes it was hot but I got 2200bf done to day. the last of 6000 bf 3 days to do it
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some times I don't have room for all the wood :D :D
all and all it went good.
the wood 6000bf
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I have to do a cut list for a customer on monday then the next road job tuesday ;D
Some of you new guys have asked questions. On cutting logs this is a job I'm doing 4th time he's a good customer.see how I get the guy to put the logs not the best but they're one behind the other :)
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Some may say that the cut I made is a waste of time , but I lake to get rid of the bell
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And I can see that the log look level I drop 1" and cut my 4" face this is a 12' log .I did get a 1x6x8 out of it
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Then my 6" and on to whatever a width you want
I try to get all the lumber in the log money in my wallet :D
Now this works for me you're cutting might vary :D
Heres a tip for you guys that cut in hot days and want to wear shorts and don; t like sawdust in your boot :D
I cut the toe off some old socks and put them on before your boots
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Gaiters. and I do where 2 pairs of socks year round [ lite ones]
If I had white pine to cut, and if I could not cut it, I would want you to cut it ;D. Good stuff!
Unfortunately, almost all our pine down here in the hot, humid, sweltering, South is yellow :).
Today was one of those days :D I told him to put the logs somewhere else. but this will work :D
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these are bad logs small and crooked. :D :D all by the hr
and had 2 guys talling
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I think we have a ways to go :D
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A job came in today
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one of 3 for a timber frame all w pine
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then a load that I got for another customer came in thats the 4th load this week.
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that last load had to be scaled, my wood, the wood for the timber frame is just the sawing rate .and yes thats the same truck. he hauls for a lot of loggers , young man thats not afraid to work,
I might have to get some help :D :D :D na
You may not get help, but you are gonna be busy. ;D
Looks like it's time to bolt that mill down and throw away the axle. :D
I can't do that Dave , I have 3 on the road jobs with at least a truckload of logs each :D :D
2 weeks ago we had a little nip in the air and now I have all kinds of calls.
Where were they 6 weeks ago when I was just cutting hemlock and looking for the log truck to show up
But you have to take it when you can, and when the snow hits I'l be cutting hemlock looking for a truck :D :D :D
A load came in
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one more to go for the timber frame :D
and also have to get the hemlock cut , have a load of hemlock coming in end of the week :D
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I cut 24' beams today.
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the cumtomer don't want 24' one inch wood so I cut them on the cant just put a pice of wood under it and cut , two 12' :D.
Two loads come in,one load goes out. ;D
it takes 3 loads to make one big load :D :D ;)
Very nice Sawin there Pete. Nice logs too! U would prob laugh at some I saw!
Great to see success . Gonna set my goals at your level!!!
thanks, just do a good job and the work will come :)
Well a job showed up today. I think a timber frame, I don't have a cut list yet :D
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I traded my little house away, the guys wife loves it
so I made him go up the ladder ;D
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the pic was taking through a screen :D I moved it 1 1/2 miles and set it up for him. hes a logger the trade was for one like this
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;D
Then this came in today too
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some ok logs and not so ok :D
I hope the work keeps up, and I keep up :D will see
They forgot the limbs???? looks like wood for my OWB.
You need to patent that gaiter idea! Smart thinkin there! That last load had some nice butt logs, and some REAL knotty stuff, eh? Good to see you're staying out of trouble 8)
Was that the building that you had the stakes in? And you had more people ask about the building,than the stakes? :D
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They forgot the limbs???? looks like wood for my OWB.
:D :D :D yes indeed
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Good to see you're staying out of trouble 8)
I do sleep well :D :D
Quote from: thecfarm on October 24, 2013, 07:55:40 PM
Was that the building that you had the stakes in? And you had more people ask about the building,than the stakes? :D
yes it is
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with a log load like I got I can make 50 :D
I love to tell customers that "if they had taken one step closer to the log they would have gotten the limb sawed off". :D It's good for a laugh, and still gets the point across. ;)
In another post I posted this picture:
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And the other ends looked like this:
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I told the customer that these two huge rotten logs weren't worth fighting with to get only a few planks out of. So, he cut them up and split them here in my yard and hauled them out.
That left the four top sections off of these trees. Everyone of them had a crotch in them.
I cut the crotches off:
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And I set the crotches aside:
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Above is only one of the three.
I decided not to cut the crotch of one of them.
That leaves me with these three monsters to start sawing on today:
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It will certainly be "A Day Cutting Wood"......
Jim Rogers
My cedar pile looks like that. :( Not in size though.
Sometimes you have to do what you have to Jim :D :D
Best of luck with them my friend.
First log on the mill:
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Just started cutting 2" x 12" x 10' 10" long planks for furniture. And the water bottle hose is leaking.
I've got to go to town and get a fitting to splice it back together. It's always something.
I can't wait till the customer gets here and he sees these planks. At 125 lbs each he's going to have a workout unloading them at his place.
Jim Rogers
Jim how did you bend the loader arm, on a big log like that ?
Quote from: Peter Drouin on October 26, 2013, 07:46:49 PM
Jim how did you bend the loader arm, on a big log like that ?
Plowing snow with the backhoe too close to the machine with the loader arm down.
And I didn't hit it that hard, I was really surprised when I saw it.
Now I put the loader arms up every time so I can clean out next to the mill.
Note to self, finish roof......
Jim Rogers
Both of my loader arms have looked like that. One when I bought it and the other when I returned to saw one morning and the customer had decided to clean things up with his tractor/boxblade. :-\
Quote from: Magicman on October 27, 2013, 04:40:14 PM
Both of my loader arms have looked like that. One when I bought it and the other when I returned to saw one morning and the customer had decided to clean things up with his tractor/boxblade. :-\
If I do it it's one thing. If a customer did it I would lose my temper and tell him so then packup and leave. all the time, I have customers want to load or push the logs to or set logs on my mill. Or want to help change the blade, I tell them NO stay away. I allways tell them. If you hit my mill I will not understand.
no one touches my mill, no one, ;D
Have straitened mine a time or two.
When it comes time to replace them the old loading arm will go on the trailer.
I had a local customer with a single tree, he lives on top of a mountain, and has a locked gate at the bottom of a long, steep, winding drive, he rescheduled six times in the process of getting his logs together, rain, cat broke down ect.
When I done the site eval it was made clear that there was no turn around on the goat trail and that the mill would have to be backed in all the way up and around the hill to a small landing. It was also pointed out that a lower landing would be a much better location, just pull in and set up type location. He chose the upper landing and parked the backhoe and tractor on it making for a tight setup.
He had a nice 28' log and was clear he needed four 20' 3x12 He measured it off at 20'2" laid a piece of moss on the log, I was setting up the mill and noticed the log pinch his saw, I had a wedge in my hand so drove it in so he could retrieve his saw. When he stepped back we noticed he had made pair of 14' logs. Felt bad for him as he danced around. He has more trees on the hill, just has to go thru the whole process of getting one ready again.
2 hours from gate to finish including set up and figuring out what to do with 14' logs.
For some getting a tree ready to mill is a simple task to carry out, for others it can be a much bigger and time consuming challenge.
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Only had one issue years ago with damage, not that bad, folks around here are sure not to interfere with the operation, regardless. david
Backwoods sawyer, I have had to do that before, back all the way in :D
I see the wheel off the ground in the pic. I bring boards with me to drive up on to help level the mill. And have cut cookies to put under the legs too. Good job
Quote from: drobertson on October 27, 2013, 08:54:44 PM
Only had one issue years ago with damage, not that bad, folks around here are sure not to interfere with the operation, regardless. david
It's just the folks in NH can't stand around , they want to help , so I try to find them some to do , like go get more trees :D
I have also had to pull in, unhook and turn the sawmill around by hand. It seems that virtually every setup is different.
Quote from: Magicman on October 27, 2013, 10:10:03 PM
I have also had to pull in, unhook and turn the sawmill around by hand. It seems that virtually every setup is different.
I have done that , one time the mill stared to roll away on me, I had to pull the cable for the electric brake to stop the mill :D :D :D
More of the timber frame getting cut , A lot of boards when you box the pith. some of the 8x9x24' came out of a 24" log [ top end]
I did cut the 1" into 2 12'
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the customer has been trucking wood out for days smiley_sweat_drop :D :D :D
tomorrow all 12' logs. all 1" to whatever wide :D :D
You got'em trained? :D Keep that stuff moving out the door. :)
Quote from: Dave Shepard on October 30, 2013, 08:05:52 PM
You got'em trained? :D Keep that stuff moving out the door. :)
:D :D :D :D I try
My millyard is tiny. If there is a flake of sawdust in the way everything grinds to a halt. :D
My yard is full of logs , I fact [ my logs] I like to keep the length together now there all mixup :D
About those monster red oak logs I was sawing, here is a shot of some of the crotch grain in the first piece.
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Next came loading the biggest of all of them.
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The mill couldn't roll it over by itself. I had to give it a little help with the backhoe bucket:
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With the saw all the way to the top, I made the first cut:
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As you can see by the shadows this was early in the morning.
After I made the first cut I tried to make a second one to start cutting it down to size before I had to "Bibby" it.
But I forgot that the gas tank was about empty and I was suppose to fill it up before I started sawing.
So wouldn't you know it, 2/3 of the way through the second cut it runs out of gas. Now I can't back out of the cut and I can't reach the tank.
What a bone head thing to do.
I had to get the step ladder and go up there and get the tank down and put 1 gallon or so in it to get through the cut. And then I lowered it down to remove it and fill it up full.
I never did that before.
Here is some of the 2x12's that he wanted:
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He has hauled out two logs of lumber already and I have one more to cut up.
I cut the crotch off it today, and it's next to the mill ready to load. Got rained out several times today. Note to self, finish roof.
Jim Rogers
Is that the roof in the background?
Quote from: beenthere on November 01, 2013, 05:51:28 PM
Is that the roof in the background?
It was going to be, but most likely I'll have to take it all apart and start over. it sat too long unfinished.
Jim Rogers
Good job with the monsters 8) 8)
Second note to self: check gas tank before starting to saw! :D :D ;)
Quote from: kilgrosh on November 04, 2013, 09:08:07 AM
Second note to self: check gas tank before starting to saw! :D :D ;)
I think I need to put that on a sticky note and onto the sawmill dashboard. I was just finished cutting the wedding box project on Saturday and the mill ran out of gas, again.
Jim Rogers
Pretty nice looking stuff. ;D 8) 8) 8)
Quote from: Jim_Rogers on November 04, 2013, 10:49:45 AM
and the mill ran out of gas, again.
Glad that you don't have a Diesel. ;D :D
Quote from: Magicman on November 06, 2013, 09:17:57 PM
Quote from: Jim_Rogers on November 04, 2013, 10:49:45 AM
and the mill ran out of gas, again.
Glad that you don't have a Diesel. ;D :D
I have run mine out of fuel a few times, just fill it up, squeeze the priming bulb a few times and she fires right up. surprising for a diesel but the same holds true for my tractor only it doesn't even need priming... I just turn it over and it fires... electric pump I think. both are 3 cylinder engines. :)
The first time that I cranked my new replacement engine, I primed as per the instructions and it fired right up. The old engine....no so. It was just bad, and yes I did run it out of fuel....twice.
Quote from: Jim_Rogers on November 04, 2013, 10:49:45 AM
Quote from: kilgrosh on November 04, 2013, 09:08:07 AM
Second note to self: check gas tank before starting to saw! :D :D ;)
I think I need to put that on a sticky note and onto the sawmill dashboard. I was just finished cutting the wedding box project on Saturday and the mill ran out of gas, again.
Jim Rogers
Not a bad idea. I could put that one next to my note that says, "Did you lower the toe-boards, ya' BONEHEAD?"
Did you ever have an order to fill and be short some logs. ?
I did today so I went up to see one of my logger friends. I went to the landing an made 2 trips :D
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This friend is well organized on the landing the bobcat works well and loads me.
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after that I was talking to a logger, and I made a deal to buy 200A of hemlock. he called it the black forest. thats how thick it is , not all hemlock it has w pine and hard wood too, It just has not been cut in a very long long time like 150+ years.I can't wate to see the logs. and the best part it's 1 mile away .
I will get some picks 1# load next week. 8) 8) 8)
I had a place like that. The tree,mostly hemlock was kinda stuck in time. They been the same size for years. Dead Cedar was leaned up against the trees,not much was growing under them. I went in there and cut some of them down. That will get something growing now.
Dew,my Log Dog,and me was checking it out and he cornered a porcupine. I headed back to the house for a gun. It had moved quite a bit when I got back,but he was still barking.
Quote from: Peter Drouin on November 14, 2013, 06:48:13 PM
Did you ever have an order to fill and be short some logs. ?
I did today so I went up to see one of my logger friends. I went to the landing an made 2 trips :D
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This friend is well organized on the landing the bobcat works well and loads me.
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after that I was talking to a logger, and I made a deal to buy 200A of hemlock. he called it the black forest. thats how thick it is , not all hemlock it has w pine and hard wood too, It just has not been cut in a very long long time like 150+ years.I can't wate to see the logs. and the best part it's 1 mile away .
I will get some picks 1# load next week. 8) 8) 8)
More than once, not a miss quote, but an additional requirement, thankfully a good friend is a logger with timber, and its nice to pull up and load up when necessary. david
The call was for 14' wood I had some. And I hate 14' anything . No calls for it just once in a wile. Going to be 8x8 in a timber frame. Need 22 of them. Had 10. On the 2# load I had him fill the rest of the trailer with 16'
Hey Peter, I know you chip most of your slabs/waste. Was curious, do you sell the chips? And if so do you separate by species and/or soft/hardwood? Who buys them? Sorry for the random off topic. :)
Hi John smiley_wavy
I chip most or all the soft wood , for the hard wood I put it in a pile or bundle it for sale [fire wood] the chips sell slow but they do sell for landscaping. The power company that burns it will only give $20 a ton. And it's hard to get in there because of the mechanized loggers, they move a lot of wood chips and they have a contract with them. And the wood pellet guys only want hardwood chips. I'm always looking for a market. And no one is off topic on my threads :D :D
I welcome all thoughts and opinion. :D :D ;)
Pouring rain here today.
But yesterday, I cut some 22-24" wide slabs for bar tops 3" thick.
I got a customer who wanted a 30" piece with round edge on both sides. I talked him into two 15" pieces.
He's going to come over and pick out two of these and I'll put them one at a time back onto the mill with the round edge down and trim to 15" or so. And then he can join them and make his bar top.
These are 10' pieces and I think he said he only needed about 7' or so.
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They are the greatest quality but I think he can make them work.
Jim Rogers
PS, posted here because it was all in "a day of cutting wood"
Species? From the looks of those slabs, I do not believe that he will have any trouble meeting his needs.
Looks like EWP to me.
Quote from: Magicman on November 27, 2013, 04:30:56 PM
Species? From the looks of those slabs, I do not believe that he will have any trouble meeting his needs.
Yes, Eastern White Pine (EWP)
Thanks Dave....
Jim Rogers
They look wet and heavy.
Good job Jim , I get a call from time to time for slabs. But not one this year :)
Quote from: Dave Shepard on November 27, 2013, 05:12:14 PM
They look wet and heavy.
They are wet today, it's been pouring rain here all day.
And they are heavy, I slid them off the log onto the forks so I didn't have to move them very far.
He didn't show up yet, probably because it was raining.
But maybe he'll come over Friday.
Jim Rogers
PS. I have been getting all kinds of calls for sawing up large logs. More this last one or two months then ever before.
I have been considering getting the largest CSM that they make, but I don't have the money right now.
I have these logs sitting waiting for me:
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They are around 42" on the small end of each. The customer is going to hire a guy I know to come over with his 36" bar chain saw and cut them into quarters first.
I suggested he cut them like this:
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Once they are quartered then I'll take the mill down there and cut up this city tree.
I scaled the 8' one at 664 bdft, and the 9'6" one at 789 bdft. Not counting any over run. And with the cracks and the quartering I don't expect to get much if any over run.
The butt of the bottom log has some rot in it and a small metal stain as well.
When, or should I say, if, I saw these up, I will take some pictures for sure.
After their 1/4 down it should not be too bad to cut. Is that red oak ?
And what is a CSM ?
CSM,Chain Saw Mill.
Quote from: Peter Drouin on November 27, 2013, 08:38:48 PM
After their 1/4 down it should not be too bad to cut. Is that red oak ?
And what is a CSM ?
Yes, red oak. Biggest tree on Oakley Street. Half on town property half on customer's front lawn leaning over customer's house, more and more each year. Customer was very nervous about it falling on his house.
Jim Rogers
Quote from: Jim_Rogers on November 01, 2013, 04:19:08 PM
About those monster red oak logs I was sawing, here is a shot of some of the crotch grain in the first piece.
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Next came loading the biggest of all of them.
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The mill couldn't roll it over by itself. I had to give it a little help with the backhoe bucket:
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With the saw all the way to the top, I made the first cut:
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As you can see by the shadows this was early in the morning.
After I made the first cut I tried to make a second one to start cutting it down to size before I had to "Bibby" it.
But I forgot that the gas tank was about empty and I was suppose to fill it up before I started sawing.
So wouldn't you know it, 2/3 of the way through the second cut it runs out of gas. Now I can't back out of the cut and I can't reach the tank.
What a bone head thing to do.
I had to get the step ladder and go up there and get the tank down and put 1 gallon or so in it to get through the cut. And then I lowered it down to remove it and fill it up full.
I never did that before.
Here is some of the 2x12's that he wanted:
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He has hauled out two logs of lumber already and I have one more to cut up.
I cut the crotch off it today, and it's next to the mill ready to load. Got rained out several times today. Note to self, finish roof.
Jim Rogers
Some nice logs you are sawing, I might have missed this but what does bibby mean?
Quote from: Cguignard on November 28, 2013, 05:09:32 PM
I might have missed this but what does bibby mean?
Go to the top of the page....put your mouse arrow on extras........a box will appear and then click on Dictionary.
Lots of good explanations in there. :)
Quote from: POSTONLT40HD on November 28, 2013, 05:29:33 PM
Quote from: Cguignard on November 28, 2013, 05:09:32 PM
I might have missed this but what does bibby mean?
Go to the top of the page....put your mouse arrow on extras........a box will appear and then click on Dictionary.
Lots of good explanations in there. :)
Poston, I don't believe it's in there. (Ought to be, though!)
Basically, bibbying (coined in honor of Bibbyman) is trimming an oversize log down to manageable size on the mill by rotating about 45 degrees per cut until it's small and even enough to handle it comfortably.
Quote from: nomad on November 28, 2013, 05:47:10 PM
Poston, I don't believe it's in there. (Ought to be, though!)
Basically, bibbying (coined in honor of Bibbyman) is trimming an oversize log down to manageable size on the mill by rotating about 45 degrees per cut until it's small and even enough to handle it comfortably.
Good call Nomad, I checked and didn't see it either. say_what
That is a great idea, just added something to my bag of tricks. It beats cutting a grove for your guide weel with a chainsaw. 8)
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Here is a 42" butt.
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The bibbyed butt.
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This Cypress swell butt was 45"
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Bibbyed (gun barreled) down for sawing.
45" is a lot :o but the bibby thing works well 8)
I'm going to cut some wood but I half to get there first ;D
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I bought a wood lot all hard wood. Tomorrow I'm going to haul gravel and fill for and aft.
I use 8x8"x16' and 8"x10"x16' for the beams and 2 by 6" and 8" decking 10' wide. All hemlock.
on the first pic the beams are on w oak and brick , I'm going to push gravel under it the hole thing will float.
that looks like the beginning of my sharpening shed. :D
Peter what a waste of good wood. I would of gladly sent you the rocks to do the same thing. I'm just a phone call away. :D I'm an expert at that sort of rock bridge. I have one about 100 feet long. It even skidder,forwarder rated. ;D
I have all the rocks I need, the land has rock walls . I think there was an old homestead on it. When I have time I want to walk the walls with my metal detector.
I hope the bridge will hold the skidder. :D :D
Peter, I just noticed what looks like a cinder block in the bottom right of the first picture. If I ever got caught using one of those for dunnage on a jobsite I would be run off post haste. Without mortar to hold them together they are very brittle. probably a lot easier to swap it for a piece of hardwood now, than later. ;)
rmack
Would you expand on that a bit? Not sure what the message is and not sure what you call a "cinder" block.
Or why you would be "run off" a jobsite.
Are you suggesting they will crumble and thus lose any support for that corner? Just setting on dirt or mud, they may just be pushed down into the mud when the bridge is loaded. But they may just be spacers to hold the bridge up before the gravel is hauled in a tamped down under to hold the timbers up. ?? Don't know.
Quick Peter,replace it with a rock. Remember my offer,I'm just a phone call away. :D
I would not trust that cider block for the moving weight of a skidder either. For a building I would. I feel it will crumble too.
Quotermack
Would you expand on that a bit? Not sure what the message is and not sure what you call a "cinder" block.
LONG LINK FIXED BY YOUR FRIENDLY ADMIN (https://www.google.ca/search?q=cinder+block&client=firefox-a&hs=IZ9&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=pxCaUpvTKeL5igKC_4CABw&ved=0CEEQsAQ&biw=1206&bih=960&dpr=1)
QuoteOr why you would be "run off" a jobsite.
because they are deemed unsafe to use for dunnage, unsafe acts subject you to immediate terminate depending on severity, and they are getting stickier all the time. cinder blocks for dunnage has been unacceptable for a long time.
cinder blocks look a lot stronger than they actually are, they have an advantage over rocks in that they are symmetrical rectangles, but that's about it.
R Mack you are right unsafe, but they're 4" solid blocks no holes.
it went well to day,
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It will hold a truck full of rock ;D
I think this might be a Christmas card :D
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I did put some holes in it to let the rain through.
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It's like a race track now :D ;D
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Good Job! :)
I never built a bridge before. :D
how many acres did you buy?
Good job Peter.
And it is skidder rated.
That is a nice shot of John on the bridge. Looking forward to seeing some big hitches going over it.
Quote from: rmack on November 30, 2013, 08:03:32 PM
Good Job! :)
I never built a bridge before. :D
how many acres did you buy?
Small lot just under 10A. And the price was right, and the trees are good size. The week after next I'll have some pic of the logger I'm sending up there to make a landing and cut a road through it. I was told the last time it was cut was in the 40s. I bought it for firewood and some saw logs. I'm looking at a 20 A lot now.
A lot of big A lots are cut off , these small ones no one looks at are all over and for short money. Like this one It needs a bridge and no one wants or can do it. And now I have a land abutter wants the first bid If I sell it. He came to my house and knock on the door. So you look for niche markets, I also look for niche land. ;D
Quote from: thecfarm on November 30, 2013, 08:41:40 PM
Good job Peter.
And it is skidder rated.
thanks and will see :D
A small job
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All ash , cut list 3/8"x 4" 3/4"x4" 3"x3" 2 1/2"x3 1/2" all for the a apple guy.
When I got there I did not like the set up . So he moved them to suit me you can see in the pic ;D
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He had 2 men to help , [ this Job is all by the hour]
Then I saw John looking at me :D
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Now this is a skidder. Then his dad came and got him
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I could have fun with that. I did not get a pic but on the back if the trailer the sign said " run forest run" :D :D :D
All and all a good day, and that Wood Mizer Accuset2 is on the money every time, put in what you want and go, and don't give it a thought after just make lumber
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This time of year you have to clean of the mill, because it will freeze and the mill won't work well the next day
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Looks like a nice job. All ash?
John would put a strain on your new bridge. :D
I don't know, it's so long I don't think you could get both ends on at once. :D
Quote from: Dave Shepard on December 02, 2013, 07:08:57 PM
Looks like a nice job. All ash?
Yes light and strong and It;s what the customer wants ;)
Quote from: Peter Drouin on December 02, 2013, 07:05:50 PMon the back if the trailer the sign said " run forest run"
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Maybe he needed to borrow my shirt. ;D
Quote from: Magicman on December 02, 2013, 07:38:06 PM
Quote from: Peter Drouin on December 02, 2013, 07:05:50 PMon the back if the trailer the sign said " run forest run"
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Maybe he needed to borrow my shirt. ;D
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D Maybe :D :D :D :D :D
DanG Magic....you got the FLU too :D :D :D
:D
:D but I gots my WM Way today. ;D
Looks like the mill was chunking it out, david
Looks like Magic has some pretty good second growth timber coming up on the face. ;D 8) 8) 8)
Yup, that was for our Colorado trip in October. It is gone now, but hopefully it will grow again next Fall. ;D
Today went well but cold with a hard wind. When I got there the customer had it all stage for me
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And yup the dirt was frozen on some of the logs.
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I think I made more sawdust than lumber cutting all day 3/8x 4"
Did I say it was cold and the wind kept the mill clean of sawdust too.
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But I did get some cut :D :D ;D
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Well Ill be back have to go sharpen some blades , Frozen dirt is hard on blades :D :D :D
QuoteFrozen dirt is hard on blades :D :D :D
But you've got one of those fancy dancy debarkers..... why would you have dull blades?
Jim Rogers
Nice! way to chunk'em out! Looks like a very workable area to me,, one exception,, the hard cold wind,,
david
Good pics Pete......there's gotta be a way to run a heat blower off that Diesel. say_what
Quote from: Jim_Rogers on December 04, 2013, 06:45:07 PM
QuoteFrozen dirt is hard on blades :D :D :D
But you've got one of those fancy dancy debarkers..... why would you have dull blades?
Jim Rogers
Yes but sometimes it's the way it goes. :D
Quote from: POSTONLT40HD on December 04, 2013, 07:28:59 PM
Good pics Pete......there's gotta be a way to run a heat blower off that Diesel. say_what
maybe :)
Quote from: drobertson on December 04, 2013, 07:12:32 PM
Nice! way to chunk'em out! Looks like a very workable area to me,, one exception,, the hard cold wind,,
david
I agree, very tidy site, the customer obvious cares. :)
btw, when it's windy cold I just put on a rain slicker over top of my insulation... works wonders stopping the wind chill. ;)
Hope you ordered the official Wood Mizer heated seat option. ;D
You obviously were making the best of a rather unpleasant situation. The logs looked nice anyway. ;D
Peter, do you know offhand how long your mill is overall with the extension on it? its been nasty here lately so I'm spending some time at the computer drawing things. :)
I will look today and let you know tonight. I'm moving logs from the wood lot today got the landing in yesterday.
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is that a kitty cat ;D
I see some trees in this picture that might not be there in the next one. ;D
btw, if that machine goes across the bridge you built, then it must be a pretty good bridge. ;)
The Wood-Mizer 24' extension is just a manual mill frame, which is 24' long. An LT40 is 24', plus the hitch, so the whole works is going to be about 50' long.
Quote from: coxy on December 12, 2013, 06:50:07 AM
is that a kitty cat ;D
Yes it is :D :D
Quote from: Dave Shepard on December 12, 2013, 11:10:06 AM
The Wood-Mizer 24' extension is just a manual mill frame, which is 24' long. An LT40 is 24', plus the hitch, so the whole works is going to be about 50' long.
Daves got it 50' long smiley_thumbsup Hi Dave smiley_wavy
Quote from: rmack on December 12, 2013, 09:39:52 AM
I see some trees in this picture that might not be there in the next one. ;D
btw, if that machine goes across the bridge you built, then it must be a pretty good bridge. ;)
The cat did and the bridge is ok ;D
I've given a lot of thought on how to put a building over the mill and still be able to get logs onto the extension. My primary idea is to use some W24x60 or 70 something pound beams that I have access to, but my favorite is to have a building with one 14'x14' door on the end and big enough to drive a trailer truck into and unload inside. :D
Quote from: Dave Shepard on December 12, 2013, 08:09:13 PM
I've given a lot of thought on how to put a building over the mill and still be able to get logs onto the extension. My primary idea is to use some W24x60 or 70 something pound beams that I have access to, but my favorite is to have a building with one 14'x14' door on the end and big enough to drive a trailer truck into and unload inside. :D
I've been working on a solution to cover the mill and potential extension etc. this is just a preliminary sketch, but it seems to me that timber frame is an obvious option for anyone who owns a sawmill. :)
you need sketchup to view the file, it's a free download & quite powerful drawing tool.
I used a I beam
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14' high, I had the steel guy tell me how big it had to be for the snow load,
Quote from: Peter Drouin on December 13, 2013, 06:13:13 AM
I used a I beam
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14' high, I had the steel guy tell me how big it had to be for the snow load,
that kind of stuff is worth it's weight in gold up here. I could probably buy an old self loader log truck for that $.
Well I had 1 1/2 days in getting the landing in and the road in.
And my logger did well
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I did get the bar stuck :D
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But John helped me . I loaded the one ton with John and ran back and forth with fire wood
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Then at the end of the day I left the one ton and drove John back home so I could plug it in . Too cold here. And bring home a trailer home with wood. :D
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The road in was not too bad
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all en all a good 4 days got 19 cords in and some logs ;D
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red oak
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With some ash red maple rock maple w birch and beach.
How cold was it Pete? Good Pics!
Postonm, degrees don't matter. As long as everything is frozen like permafrost, you're good to go. ;D It got up to about 14 here today, I think I'm going to make a call to get the skidder delivered tomorrow.
Quote from: Dave Shepard on December 14, 2013, 07:47:31 PM
Postonm, degrees don't matter. As long as everything is frozen like permafrost, you're good to go. ;D It got up to about 14 here today, I think I'm going to make a call to get the skidder delivered tomorrow.
Never thought of that Dave. Down here it usually don't get cold enough to freeze everything.
Just plain ol muddy, slop with sleet and rain mixed. It will chill you to the bone when the wind is blowing!
I'm just ribbin' you because I had no idea how cold it was up in NH. :) I'll take permafrost over what you are talking about any day. That damp, cold air is tough! Do you guys log through the slop, or try to pick the best days?
I still vote no on the great white north. I remember steel getting brittle and snapping and frostbite every time we had to clear the 1/4 mile driveway. Ugh :(
Give me 80 and dry in December any day. ;D 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
My hands and feet still hurt when it gets cold, and it has been over 40 years now.
Most time here in Maine,the temp in kinda warm when it snows. If it's cloudy that keeps the heat in,some what. I'm talking in the 20's now. A clear day and look out,it might get on the cold side of the single numbers.
QuoteI remember steel getting brittle and snapping and frostbite every time we had to clear the 1/4 mile driveway.
Not that I doubt what you remember, but I can't remember steel breaking when plowing 1/4 mile of my drive for the last ... 44 years.
Wore out some tire chains and had some bolts come loose, but no steel breaks. Maybe yet to come... ;)
Thought I might break a couple two three times... ;D
20-40 below, we lost draw pins, flail chains, arms on manure loaders on the tractor. I remember just fine. Pipes buried 7 ft deep freezing. Sorry, I don't miss it one bit.
I think it was +10 everything is frozen at the wood lot. When you're moving 19 cords of wood your not cold. But slippery I fell only 3 times :D :D :D
I also don't miss that. :)
Quote from: mesquite buckeye on December 14, 2013, 10:16:59 PM
I also don't miss that. :)
When was the last time you made a snow ball ? come on you know you miss it :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
I live in southern Oklahoma. Use to work with a feller from alaska and I would always laugh cause he would complane when it got down in the 20-10 degrees. He'd say it was a diff kind of cold and he couldn't take it. Lol
I agree with your Alaskan buddy , I find it very cold here with humidity compared to -20 but dry . Good thing is I no longer have to soak my wooden hammer handles to keep the heads on !
mesquite buckeye,the great white north? 20-40 below? pipes buried 7 feet and still freezing? That is not my area of Maine. Well we did have one winter where we had 2 days of temps like that,about 10 years ago?
Where was you living at the time?
The Miami of the north, Blooming Prairie, Minnesota in the late 60's. One winter there was no snow and really cold, started freezing the deep pipes that were usually ok. That spring I dug up a broken tile line and hit frozen ground at 6 ft in June. Yuk. I think we had snow on the strawberries in June either that year or the next.
Heading south seemed like a good idea. ;D
Besides, they have grits there. ;D
10" of snow makes it look different :D
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Don't know if you can see but a moose went through last night
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Then I saw this the other day
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This land has all kinds of surprises. :D :D ;)
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Not big but we have them. and they smell good too
There was this other thing ,A maple grown together, what would do with it, fire wood or ?
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And winter is here :D :D
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That looks like firewood, and it looks like you need it! :D :D
If you chain saw it the right way.......someone from Nebraska may give you $300.00 for it. poston-smiley
Poston, pick it up and bring it to a tourist town down here. Tell 'em it's a palm log, carve a face on it and call it a Tiki, and you'd get your $300 and enough on top to buy us a beer and a sammich!
Either charge hourly or leave it there, it looks good the way it is. :)
Some days it doesn't pay :D -10 today, went to start the LT40 and the battery is dead, well will not turn over fast to start, got a new battery and It fired right up. Get a pine log, load the mill, the thing is sliding all over, did not think I would live longenuff to get it set. That pine is like a rock frozen hard. I cut the slab off and the sparks are flying .[Frozen mud] and the edge are as sharp as a knife. I cut the flinch and throw it down and it breaks like a piece of glass.I get the log all cut up and the snow is coming down so I'll call it a day, went to blow off the mill and on the #2 pull on the compressor and the rope is in my hand, now I have to fix that.
Quote from: Peter Drouin on December 17, 2013, 06:17:16 PM
Some days it doesn't pay :D -10 today, went to start the LT40 and the battery is dead, well will not turn over fast to start, got a new battery and It fired right up. Get a pine log, load the mill, the thing is sliding all over, did not think I would live longenuff to get it set. That pine is like a rock frozen hard. I cut the slab off and the sparks are flying .[Frozen mud] and the edge are as sharp as a knife. I cut the flinch and throw it down and it breaks like a piece of glass.I get the log all cut up and the snow is coming down so I'll call it a day, went to blow off the mill and on the #2 pull on the compressor and the rope is in my hand, now I have to fix that.
Why I live in sunny Tucson, AZ. ;D Wish it would rain more though. :'(
Peter, do you put those plastic sheets up just for a storm, or can you roll them up?
Quote from: Dave Shepard on December 17, 2013, 07:07:41 PM
Peter, do you put those plastic sheets up just for a storm, or can you roll them up?
Just for the winter and they do roll up, to keep the snow out
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Why I live in sunny Tucson, AZ. ;D Wish it would rain more though. :'(
But you have the same weather all the time and that would be a pith ;D
Not true, very hot in the summer, with big thunderstorms. ;D
Not related to sawing per say, but our last lil winter blast kinda bit me in the rear. they called for maybe 3", we got 12" temps in the single digits, tractor would not start, lift would not start, mill did, but does no good without a deck of logs, and the drive suffered heavily, I'm ready for the next one, just hope there is no next one, I don't like it (snow/and cold) like you do Peter ;D david
It is good for people who love cold to live where it is cold and for those who don't to live where cold is absent. ;D ;D ;D
from the philosophy of Mesquite Buckeye, in ed
Some places the glaciers are thick and it is cold. Some places it is hot. Some places it is in-between.
Observations from a Forestry Forum Vetern
Live where you're happy. And the way things went today, It was a good day still.
And if a man doesn't have challenges every day he will die :)
I am challenged because my planer quite working today. Won't start. But, I still have a pretty good attitude. At least I completed the Forestry Forum Christmas Contest :).
Quote from: WDH on December 17, 2013, 09:25:46 PM
I am challenged because my planer quite working today. Won't start. But, I still have a pretty good attitude. At least I completed the Forestry Forum Christmas Contest :).
Maybe you'll come in 2nd place. Blue Creeper will get that planer running again. :) :)
Quote from: WDH on December 17, 2013, 09:25:46 PM
I am challenged because my planer quite working today. Won't start. But, I still have a pretty good attitude. At least I completed the Forestry Forum Christmas Contest :).
It's good you set a goal for the day :D
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Quote from: Peter Drouin on December 17, 2013, 06:17:16 PM
Some days it doesn't pay :D -10 today, went to start the LT40 and the battery is dead, well will not turn over fast to start, got a new battery and It fired right up. Get a pine log, load the mill, the thing is sliding all over, did not think I would live longenuff to get it set. That pine is like a rock frozen hard. I cut the slab off and the sparks are flying .[Frozen mud] and the edge are as sharp as a knife. I cut the flinch and throw it down and it breaks like a piece of glass.I get the log all cut up and the snow is coming down so I'll call it a day, went to blow off the mill and on the #2 pull on the compressor and the rope is in my hand, now I have to fix that.
Why I live in sunny Tucson, AZ. ;D Wish it would rain more though. :'(
Rather cut a cold log than a hot cactus no thanks. :)
:D
Hot stickery cactus. ;D
Pays better. ;D ;D ;D
Peter likes to saw hemlock and white pine in the glaciered North. I know I do. ;D
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And if a man doesn't have challenges every day he will die :)
[/quote]then I aint ever gona die
I love the cold and snow for 3 months then bring on spring, In a few days the days will get longer and spring is on the way, 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) ;D
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then I aint ever gona die
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Like it :D you have to keep your brain working or it will stop working. then what smiley_dizzy smiley_dizzy smiley_dizzy smiley_dizzy smiley_headscratch smiley_headscratch
Quote from: Peter Drouin on December 18, 2013, 05:25:07 PM
I love the cold and snow for 3 months then bring on spring, In a few days the days will get longer and spring is on the way, 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) ;D
Quote from: goose63 on December 18, 2013, 03:57:40 PM
::) ::)
And if a man doesn't have challenges every day he will die :)
then I aint ever gona die
Like it :D you have to keep your brain working or it will stop working. then what smiley_dizzy smiley_dizzy smiley_dizzy smiley_dizzy smiley_headscratch smiley_headscratch
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Then you just trust the Accuset 2
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I love the cold and snow for 3 months then bring on spring, In a few days the days will get longer and spring is on the way, 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) ;D
Quote from: goose63 on December 18, 2013, 03:57:40 PM
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And if a man doesn't have challenges every day he will die :)
then I aint ever gona die
Like it :D you have to keep your brain working or it will stop working. then what smiley_dizzy smiley_dizzy smiley_dizzy smiley_dizzy smiley_headscratch smiley_headscratch
Then you just trust the Accuset 2
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Yes, and I still have to use my head :D
today when I was cutting 3/8" x 4" and think I can only go down to 1' to the bed I had to look at the cut list to see what the dog board will be and fill the cut list at the same time ,and with frozen logs the clamp will not hold the ice and snow covered log, so I had to change the way I saw a log, the blade would pull the cant out of square.
It was one heck of a day :D :D :D :D :D 8) ;D now I have to go plow the yard :D :D ;)
Then there is the infamous half frozen logs! accuset was doing its best, managed 27% over cut on some pine, pitchy, real pitchy and half froze, another challenge? I reckon, after an 9 hour day in the shop I was kinda hoping for some smooth sailing, pizza and to bed, go again tomorrow, david
Quote from: drobertson on December 18, 2013, 09:12:48 PM
Then there is the infamous half frozen logs! accuset was doing its best, managed 27% over cut on some pine, pitchy, real pitchy and half froze, another challenge? I reckon, after an 9 hour day in the shop I was kinda hoping for some smooth sailing, pizza and to bed, go again tomorrow, david
That's what it's all about. 8)
I think the cold and frozen ash logs had something to with breaking 4 blades today :D :D
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And it; s really bad when you just sharpen the thing. Why can't they break when they're dull . :D :D :D ;D
That wouldn't be any fun. :)
Quote from: Peter Drouin on December 19, 2013, 06:46:05 PM
And it; s really bad when you just sharpen the thing. Why can't they break when they're dull . :D :D :D ;D
It's like hitting metal. It just don't work that way. :D
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That wouldn't be any fun. :)
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But the money was good :D :D :D :D :D :D ;D
I would rather saw full frozen the half, but then I don't like that much either, david
It'd be nice if you only broke the dull blades, but then again, if they were dull, they wouldn't be on your mill. ;)
We are out on a road trip, 200+ miles up the coast, ice down to the beach.
Milled a batch of coastal stressed Doug fir, all 20'. Smallest was 20" couple were 36".
Then we milled a batch of spruce, same kind of logs, lot of grits in these logs, went thru half a box of saws.
Then we moved inland a few miles and milled up a truck load of western red cedar salvage logs, little Jo has taken to the control panel and keeps the saw in the wood, these logs had been buried in a mud slide so rocks were in every nook and cranny, zing zing :-\
Moving the mill again in the morning, another batch of western red cedar on down the road.
Phone has been ringing steady since we pulled onto town, had to start scheduling round two for next month, this ol mill has been from coast to coast.
It's good to see things finally clicking for you Harvey. It's also good that Little Jo, has taken to the helm. What a "big" helper. ;D
Today's challenge in "A day cutting wood" is to take these two 12x12 Ebony blocks and cut them to 6/4 stock.
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Has anyone ever cut Ebony? I have some 4° blades on hand right back from resharp. I have been using them for my frozen oak.
I was going to try cutting them "real slow".....
Should make some interesting black sawdust here in the white wonderland.....
Jim Rogers
Be sure to tell us how it comes out with pics Jim :D :D 8)
Make that black stinky sawdust. ;D
Well it wasn't that stinky at all, or at least I couldn't smell it.....
Was interesting for sure.
First cut of the big piece:
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There were some strange blocks glued into the middle of these large pieces to make it one larger block.
But they are all done now:
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The antique furniture restorer who brought these in wanted them cut to 6/4 for making other things.
One of them may be put together with mitered corners to make a sculpture stand.
You never know what will come down the driveway.....
Jim Rogers
PS. took one hour, I spend more time moving the pieces then I spend sawing.
;D Like it! that is always fun doing neat projects, cool stuff for sure, david
Good job cutting wood today, :christmas:
Just like a log or a fortune cookie. You never know what is inside until you open it up. :)
Very pretty wood Jim. That's every bit of $300.00..........each. :)
did you use your 4 deg blades? how was feed rate etc? Give us some more details on what it was like to saw? (that 12" block was a hard to saw as a 18" frozen oak etc)
Opening up a piece of wood to see what is in side is what it is all about ;D
Today we canted up this deck of old tight grained wester red cedar logs/chunks. lots of little spruce sprouts using them for nurse logs,
Having equipment on site sure helped with log handling and cant handling of these wet heavy pieces.
The coastal rain settled in and the rain gear was not up for the task, we were all thurly soaked and dripping wet when we lost a saw as a chunk went around the wheel on the last log in that deck, it was a good stopping point.
Have yet another deck to mill before we take the mill home.
Little Jo has been doing most of the sawing on this trip and is a good smooth operator, she has sawn a quite a bit of wood this year, 10,000+ bft this week alone, although I may have to start carring a step stool so little Jo can see to mill these big logs. Having a second sawyer has been a real blessing, frees me up get logs ready, B.S. with customer, take a brake, B.S. with customer, off bear, B.S. with customer ect, ect :) :) ::)
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That plié of logs make my crooked snarly ones look good. Steve
Quote from: backwoods sawyer on December 21, 2013, 06:02:57 AMI may have to start carring a step stool so little Jo can see to mill these big logs.
Here is the step that I use; LINK (http://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=rv+platform+step&tag=googhydr-20&index=aps&hvadid=33023399528&hvpos=1t1&hvexid=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=1701348020511577223&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=b&hvdev=c&ref=pd_sl_6z7ymdub81_b) I have the top one listed. It has a much larger platform and can be used with the logs up or down depending upon the height needed.
It is shown in Bill Gaiche's Reply# 460 in the "Goodwill" thread. LINK (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php/topic,69061.460.html)
Quote from: schmism on December 20, 2013, 09:40:55 PM
did you use your 4 deg blades? how was feed rate etc? Give us some more details on what it was like to saw? (that 12" block was a hard to saw as a 18" frozen oak etc)
The customer is on his way over here now to pick them up.
Edit: While I was writing this he showed up. The wood was called Kamagong which is a type of Ebony.
I did use my regular 4° blades and it wasn't anything special about it. I put my water jug back on the mill and opened it up full as I figured the blade would get hot cutting such hard wood. Which it did a little. But not enough to move the needle in the gauge.
I just cut it very slow and steady. I would say it was more or less like sawing frozen oak.
I didn't smell anything different that I noticed.
He was happy with the job and will use it to do several different projects.
I didn't save a piece for myself so I only have pictures to remind me of the milling job.
Jim Rogers
Jim
Any explanation for the internal square 'holes' shown in the pics?
Quote from: Jim_Rogers on December 20, 2013, 05:17:34 PM
Well it wasn't that stinky at all, or at least I couldn't smell it.....
Was interesting for sure.
First cut of the big piece:
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There were some strange blocks glued into the middle of these large pieces to make it one larger block.
But they are all done now:
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The antique furniture restorer who brought these in wanted them cut to 6/4 for making other things.
One of them may be put together with mitered corners to make a sculpture stand.
You never know what will come down the driveway.....
Jim Rogers
PS. took one hour, I spend more time moving the pieces then I spend sawing.
???
These blocks had lots of sap wood on them. To make the blocks bigger then put the heart side of the block out, and the bark side of the blocks in. To join them they used these square blocks and glued them into these square holes.
I don't know other than what he told me that they wanted to use the blocks as a sculpture stand but they were too big and heavy.
Jim Rogers
beenthere, I highlighted the answer to your question in Jim's post in red.
Quote from: ladylake on December 21, 2013, 06:14:59 AM
That plié of logs make my crooked snarly ones look good. Steve
Surprizingly the recovery of sound wood is quite high. These old logs have some very tight grain (12-20 per inch) We are just going thru and making cants for now, some can be short as it will be resawn for window trim, did have one that had a double banna thing going on with an ant colony vein following the curve = low recovery. some of these chuncks came from huge old trees as one hunk was a quarter of a hollow log and took considerable chainsaw carving to make it 36x36.
Hey MM that little step has a fair sized working area, looks like the ticket, I may consider the adjustable legs option.
Jim were the square pegs from the same type of wood?
Quote from: backwoods sawyer on December 21, 2013, 08:56:24 PM
Jim were the square pegs from the same type of wood?
No sure I didn't get to touch or smell one. I could email the customer and ask....
Jim Rogers
Today it was -4 lite wind and sun. A job 1/2 hour away.
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The customer has a lull to move the logs around a little. He didn't put down any dunage.
The #2 pile he's going to move them ahead out of a hole there in :D
I hope it's warmer tomorrow.
The cat on the mill ran perfect. The Wood Mizer 55x1 1/4x7 cut that frozen w pine like butter. It took and hr to warm up the Accuset2, So I could see the readout.
All an all it went well ;D
Good report Peter......Brrrrrrrrrrrr! :)
Yuck. Think I would find some inside work until spring. :(
Quote from: mesquite buckeye on January 08, 2014, 09:25:45 PM
Yuck. Think I would find some inside work until spring. :(
And you'd turn up the heat to about 95 °F ;D ;D
Uh, maybe. ;D 8) 8) :snowball:
The day went well , not as cold with sun. and the customer did well with the logs
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and the wood
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They cut the wood at 16' the kiln is 16' 2" :D :D
It will fit ;D.
Nice day today +45 and sun. Got the job done 7000 bf. I have to say the saw dust on a job like this is a pith :D. The last few log I left the dust I was getting tired with all the 16' lumber :D
How would you set up a blower with a small gas engine on it and blow the dust to one side? I'll have to think about it, but if there's some ideas I'm all ears :D
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There was some nice pine 14" wide
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Tomorrow I'm cutting some red oak.
Peter.....get what I have.....you saw the pics....I hope.....of the big 5 foot wide conveyor belt I use. I just lay it on the ground along side the mill and all the sawdust blows on it. When it gets heaped up......just pull it off with the tractor to your pile. Whats under the mill....just blow it away with the leaf blower.
Nice pics you posted. :)
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You would have to change your stacking plan, but if you prop that tube up so it's blowing straight out, you can saw for a long time before it gets in your way. :D
Very cool. ;D 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
Peter:
Are you sawing alone or do you have a helper?
Jim Rogers
Another thought, along the line of the 5 gal bucket hanging on the saw head, would be a bucket (scoop) that would carry the sawdust then trip and dump the sawdust at the end of the cut. Thinking that at least the off-loading area would be free of a buildup of sawdust.
Am wondering how you keep that one high stack of lumber from tipping over and becoming a real pain?
Quote from: Jim_Rogers on January 15, 2014, 05:58:35 PM
Peter:
Are you sawing alone or do you have a helper?
Jim Rogers
Now don't be trying to put the work on somebody else! :D
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Quote from: Jim_Rogers on January 15, 2014, 05:58:35 PM
Peter:
Are you sawing alone or do you have a helper?
Jim Rogers
Now don't be trying to put the work on somebody else! :D
if you have a helper, there are lots of time that he is standing there waiting for a piece of slab, or lumber to be carried off. At these times he can dump the bucket hanging from a hook on an elbow:
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But it's hard to do that when you're alone and riding on the seat of the mill.
Jim Rogers
I tried to hang it from my Elbow......it don't work. :D
Quote from: beenthere on January 15, 2014, 06:08:16 PM
Another thought, along the line of the 5 gal bucket hanging on the saw head, would be a bucket (scoop) that would carry the sawdust then trip and dump the sawdust at the end of the cut. Thinking that at least the off-loading area would be free of a buildup of sawdust.
Am wondering how you keep that one high stack of lumber from tipping over and becoming a real pain?
beenthere, I've been thinking of doing something like that. Either a mechanical trip, or I've been trying to figure out if I can add another switch to my wireless remote so I can do it from most anywhere. :D I'm stationary, and would hook up a vacuum hose, but I don't think that will work for 45 feet of travel. I've had plugging issues with wet pine sawdust with only 20 feet of travel.
Quote from: Jim_Rogers on January 15, 2014, 05:58:35 PM
Peter:
Are you sawing alone or do you have a helper?
Jim Rogers
Just me Jim 2 and 1/2 days sawing time rain for 3 :D :D Jim I did think about the bucket thing, but I think the supper will blow the dust out of the bucket and I get enough in my eyes now. Maybe not, I have not tried it.
Postonlt40, you do have a good set up, but at home all my lumber goes out that end, and on the road I don't have John with me
Beenthere it;s all froze together :D :D and space was tight. Most times I make more piles
Dave s I have left the thing up If I have help then all the lumber goes out the end of the mill
Somebody drove a backhoe into your tomato patch :).
mater head It wasn't me! :o
One of the nice things about being portable is when the job is done you dig out a path for the tire and pull out.
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Hmmm now we got maters staring back at us!!!
Keep the backhoe out of the mater patch!!!
Did a small job today red oak
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I try to cut with the split
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0ne of the logs had a spider on the end not good
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When you see this, you should cut 2' off the log to see if it cleans up.
The wood was not too bad :D :D
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And a sassy Massey
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Then I went to the next job
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:D :D :D :D :D all froze in so I had the customer move the logs
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on the #3 log was a but so I tell the customer I want to look for steel, he said there no steel in the log :D :D :D
But my Garret metal Detector said yes there is :D :D :D :D :D :D
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See the barbed wire in it in the hole. That tree was like 125 years old and the wire was in the middle of it waiting for me :D :D :D but it did not get my blade ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D 8)
Nasty, pretty easy to see that one, never no metal they say ;D david
Looks like you had a very nice day. smiley_thumbsup
Went out and looked at this job about a month ago, there is a long clay road that is only used during the summer months that will come down off the mountain make a loop down by the creek where the logs are and no turn around if I came in from the other end which has gravel.
When I arrived the do not enter log had been removed and there were fresh mud tracks coming up out of there, I locked it in four low and eased down the hill. When I reached the first corner the road was all torn up where a four wheel drive had got crossed, my truck wanted to cross up with the mill pushing it, I picked a rut and got it all to straighten out and followed it the rest of the way down the muddy beaver slide.
He had sent his boy up to remove the log so his boy had tried to go up the hill. Then they spent a couple hours getting the truck out of the road. JR has been a Johnny on the spot helper the last couple days.
I made a bracket to hang a bucket off my sawdust chute this afternoon. As I expected, it filled up too fast. I was making 10"-12" wide cuts on a 12' long white pine log, and I could only get two cuts in one bucket. So, on a 30'+ log, I won't make even one pass on a bucket, especially if it is a much wider cut then 12". The purpose of this experiment was to see how much capacity I would need for one pass on a long log. As I mentioned before, I was thinking of having some sort of dump hopper that I could trip over a vacuum port, but I think I would need at least 15 gallons of capacity to really do what I need on long timbers. Back to the drawing board. It does look like there is a lot of dust flying out of the bucket, but there was almost no dust on the ground. It was effective, but unless you really needed to keep the ground clean, I think your time would be better spent shoveling the dust away with a shovel.
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I tried the bucket trick too. Lasted about 10 min.
The problem with a bigger bucket is when you get down to 1" off the table. The bucket tips as you go down the rail.
What I did was I put the head on the first 4/4 mark, my lowest setting. Then I put the bucket on the ground under the elbow and raised it up just enough so it wouldn't drag and tip. That way the opening of the elbow is above the lip of the bucket. You get more in it before you dump. Make your hook at that height. You hook looks to be too tall.
Now as you are sawing what are you doing?
You have a remote, so you can walk down to where the head is and swap buckets when it is full. You may not get an entire pass in one bucket because of the amount of sawdust coming out. But if you're not doing anything, like stacking boards or carrying off slabs then you have plenty of time to empty the bucket and/or swap a full bucket out and put an empty one in.;
Just be careful when you reach for a bucket that the worse thing that could happen, may happen:
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Jim Rogers
Personally.......I would kick the bucket. :D
Thanks Dave, that's what I thought would happen :D
Well I did finish to day all but 3 logs they where frozen in and the customer could not move them with a backhoe :D :D :D
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I see a mill there and told the customer if he wants to sell it I would buy it. I don't know what I would do with it, maybe set it up and look at it :D :D
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It's in a barn and he has all the parts. I know O about a mill like that.
but my Wood Mizer did so well this week I gave it a bath :D
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Quote from: Jim_Rogers on January 17, 2014, 05:55:13 PM
The problem with a bigger bucket is when you get down to 1" off the table. The bucket tips as you go down the rail.
What I did was I put the head on the first 4/4 mark, my lowest setting. Then I put the bucket on the ground under the elbow and raised it up just enough so it wouldn't drag and tip. That way the opening of the elbow is above the lip of the bucket. You get more in it before you dump. Make your hook at that height. You hook looks to be too tall.
Now as you are sawing what are you doing?
You have a remote, so you can walk down to where the head is and swap buckets when it is full. You may not get an entire pass in one bucket because of the amount of sawdust coming out. But if you're not doing anything, like stacking boards or carrying off slabs then you have plenty of time to empty the bucket and/or swap a full bucket out and put an empty one in.;
Just be careful when you reach for a bucket that the worse thing that could happen, may happen:
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Jim Rogers
I didn't have any problems with the bucket tipping.
When I am sawing, I am only sawing. I have to keep one hand on the remote so it keeps going forward. The forward lever is spring centered. Besides, if you noticed the time of the video, it only took 19 seconds to start the saw, set the feed, saw 13' and shut down again. :D
I have a remote so that I don't have to walk down the mill. :)
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This is how I did my pail hanger.
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Can still raise the chute to clear as a requred. can also slide the rubber extension tube on without tools when I need to.
Since I am portable I just let the customer shovel sawdust. ;D
Quote from: Magicman on January 19, 2014, 02:32:15 PM
Since I am portable I just let the customer shovel sawdust. ;D
So you never work alone like I do. I'm the only guy there :D :D
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Quote from: Magicman on January 19, 2014, 02:32:15 PM
Since I am portable I just let the customer shovel sawdust. ;D
So you never work alone like I do. I'm the only guy there :D :D
Me 2. :)
Quote from: Peter Drouin on January 19, 2014, 05:40:59 PM
Quote from: Magicman on January 19, 2014, 02:32:15 PM
Since I am portable I just let the customer shovel sawdust. ;D
So you never work alone like I do. I'm the only guy there :D :D
Me 2. :)
If your mill has wheels you can pull it out of the junk and either load it with a tractor and loader or shovel it up when there is nothing there to hit your head. ;D
Reply #406 & 407 indicates that there are two (2) of you !!! :o poston-smiley :D
oh the horrors of it all having two POST........ I got so scared,I can't even finish it.
Quote from: Magicman on January 19, 2014, 09:19:53 PM
Reply #406 & 407 indicates that there are two (2) of you !!! :o poston-smiley :D
I must be double clicking or something......I've been doing this several times in the past week. Gotta be more careful. :D
OK, I was like Ray and scared that you had doubled up on us. Wow, what a relief !!! :D
Can't have 2 poston oz_smiley smiley_ghost
STOP IT! Y'all embarrassing me. :D
I don't know for sure guys but there are days I feel like I should have at least 2 of me to keep up to what my brain STILL thinks I SHOULD be able to get done in a day. If you have figured out how to get 2 of your self working in the same place at the same time done ever tell any one and just run with it. ;D ;D At our age no one would believe it was real any way AND we can just blame it on the forestry forum since that is the cyber borg that has that power to clone us all.
Quote from: Magicman on January 19, 2014, 02:32:15 PM
Since I am portable I just let the customer shovel sawdust. ;D
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Dodgy Loner shoveling Cherry sawdust.
Did you bring the shovel?
Boy it looks warm there. I was cutting frozen hemlock today and it took off the corners on the blade ::)
Yup, my scoop. Dodgy finally pulled that shirt off and worked in his T shirt. :D
Knowing him, he probably took the sawdust home, too :D.
Had an early morning site evaluation to look at some over sized Doug fir logs on the way out to where the sawmill is set up now. I was plenty early to meet him at the local store in his town and it was well before breakfast so picked up a box of donuts to share with the customer.
It turned out to be one tree five foot plus on the butt, two 24' logs and two 32' logs 28" on the small end where the top had broke out. Roughly 8,500 bft. The first 60' was all over sized and ideal for a swing blade mill. He was hoping for clear tight grained CVG and some beams. Unfortunately at best it was a tight grained #3 saw log do to the number of large knots, and white speck that ran the entire length. Nevertheless he will have a pile of firewood when he gets it all cut up.
It was to foggy and the pictures did not turn out well, but the Donuts were good and spent the rest of the day milling Oak without hitting any metal.
When I finish up and pull out I like to leave a nice neat pile of sawdust and a nice neat tailing pile as sometimes it will still be there when you return next time.
some days are like that :)
Quote from: backwoods sawyer on January 22, 2014, 09:58:54 PM
Unfortunately at best it was a tight grained #3 saw log do to the number of large knots, and white speck that ran the entire length
Could you please describe what the "white speck" is ?
Thanks.
LTP
Decomp!!! I believe it is a fungis that lives on the sugars in the cells, someone correct me if I am wrong, it is visable in the end grain of the log, makes the wood to soft for structual use, can still be used for siding. When you find white speck you can usualy find a wound in the tree that allowed it to get a foot hold, this tree had the top blown out some time back.
Today was fun frozen hemlock with ice and gravel . I can't see the gravel under the ice. I would drop the logs as high as John would reach :D
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And some ice would come off. I just put it on the mill and cut
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The sawdust would freeze instantly on the cant , well it was +4 :D :D :D
Sometimes it would be one blade to one log after I cut some gravel. The hemlock would let you know when the blade was dull :D
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A wave :D :D :D
what had happen I cut some logs that where in the back of the pile and some the logger got mud all over them. And with all ice and snow you can't see it.
Sometimes I have to drop a log on them to get them loose.
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And Postonlt40 I was thinking how you ripped a wire from your debarker, So when I ordered some blades I got one of the cups for the wires.
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Fits good :D :D ;D
Way to go Peter.....WOODMIZER should cover those wires with a cup on all the mills.
I think I'll bring that up and the next ORANGE meeting. :D
.....are you out of blades? ;D
Peter, I'm guessing that the Debarker will not plow through that frozen mess?? Of course I have seen embedded rocks that it did not get either. :-\
Quote from: POSTONLT40HD on January 23, 2014, 07:26:00 PM
Way to go Peter.....WOODMIZER should cover those wires with a cup on all the mills.
I think I'll bring that up and the next ORANGE meeting. :D
let me know when it is :D
Quote from: Magicman on January 23, 2014, 07:29:37 PM
Peter, I'm guessing that the Debarker will not plow through that frozen mess?? Of course I have seen embedded rocks that it did not get either. :-\
even when I go slow it don't make it to the bark. But what to do I have to get the order out.
Maybe one big debarker for the hole log :D
I don't know how you can stand it. I would be waiting for the thaw. ;D
Quote from: mesquite buckeye on January 25, 2014, 03:23:42 PM
I don't know how you can stand it. I would be waiting for the thaw. ;D
Well it's not to bad and I like a test :D :D ;D
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It was such a nice sunny spring like day that the bee's were flying, T shirt weather ;D
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had some figure in these logs,
Whoa, that is beautiful!
It's always a nice surprise. :)
Cha ching! ;D
What kind of tree is that?
The ol boy in the boots found this batch of coastal maple in the chip pile on a logging site. Bought all he could get on a log truck for chip price and had it taken home, considered making firewood out of it until his boy who is building timber frame homes stopped in for a visit and insisted on having it milled up. This log had enough figure like shown in it to do a full set of kitchen cabinets. Another log made a stack of one live edge slabs 20-24" 14' long for counter tops, rest made flooring. It all went to the kiln today.
It looks like uncovering buried treasure. ;D
Today while milling up a batch of Oak found three chinquapin in the deck. It is not a wood that I see a lot of so got some pictures to share. Might add it was an awsome milling site with a good veiw.
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Do you know what species of chinquapin that it was?
Chrysolepis chrysophylla, the golden chinquapin or giant chinquapin:
A tree reaching 20–40 metres (66–130 ft) tall,
virginia tech tree ID app :P
Chinkapin is an evolutionary link between the oaks and chestnuts. Chinkapin fruits closely resemble those of chestnuts. They are triangular nuts borne inside sharp, spiny burrs. Their twigs resemble those of oaks - with clustered buds and star-shaped piths. Only one species of chinkapin is native to North America. It is called the golden chinkapin and it occurs in Oregon.
Size: Grows to 150' tall and 6' in diameter. Grows as a shrub at high elevations.
Leaves: Simple, alternate, evergreen. Lanceolate; 2"-5" long; stiff and leathery; green above and golden below; smooth margins.
Fruit: Sharp, spiny burr with 1-2 triangular nuts.
Twigs: Yellow, star-shaped pith.
Bark: Deeply furrowed and ridged; 1"-2" thick.
Distribution: Grows over most of western Oregon below 5,000 feet and at scattered points on the east slopes of the Cascades; it also grows throughout California.
I believe your app is in error. There is an additional species, my book lists another one as Castanopsis sempervirens. Castanopsis is the old genus name. I didn't check to see if the two species were later merged. That one is called bush chinkapin, also from the Pacific Coastal ranges.
Also, there are several trees called chinkapins from the Eastern US that are members of the genus Castanea. :P
Just sayin.... ;D
Frozen mud is really tough on blades, you wouldn't think it would make much difference but it is like cutting concrete (for you southern fellas that don't see frozen mud very often). I'd have to agree that Peter is tough out there cutting on those days where the temp is hovering around 0° :o
Quote from: mesquite buckeye on February 02, 2014, 09:34:34 PM
I believe your app is in error. There is an additional species, my book lists another one as Castanopsis sempervirens. Castanopsis is the old genus name. I didn't check to see if the two species were later merged. That one is called bush chinkapin, also from the Pacific Coastal ranges.
Also, there are several trees called chinkapins from the Eastern US that are members of the genus Castanea. :P
Just sayin.... ;D
you are right. I dug into some of my old forestry books, and found the "APP" falls short of being a complete list.
Had a customer brought me some logs today to cut. I did not say anything about size to him. :D :D :D :D ::)
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W pine top end
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Red oak
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And a bunch of cherry. :D :D
I think I will have to cut the pine in half. ::) :D :D
This might just be the motivation you need to trade up to the LT70 Wide Head. ;) :snowball:
I'd like some nice clear 40" pine butt logs to sink my teeth into. food6
And I check them and no steel. Ay 70 wide head. ;D
What did he want them cut into?
You may get a little fair-good lumber from those. ;D 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
Logs that big are not fun to mill, but soooo much wood when you get done. ;D
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What did he want them cut into?
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2" on the oak and 1" for the Pine and cherry
Peter,I heard there wll be one in Chesterville,Maine at an orange open house in April. ;D
Quote from: mesquite buckeye on March 06, 2014, 06:13:41 PM
You may get a little fair-good lumber from those. ;D 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
Logs that big are not fun to mill, but soooo much wood when you get done. ;D
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I know, But I don't like to work that hard ;D But it is just one that's 40" :D :D
Maybe I can put a wedge on the excavator to split logs like that. 22 tons might work. ;D
Quote from: thecfarm on March 06, 2014, 06:36:33 PM
Peter,I heard there wll be one in Chesterville,Maine at an orange open house in April. ;D
I'm going to the open house on the 12th of April. I think it starts at 8 am. I'll call to see if one will be there.
Like to see a LT70 wide head with a 200 horse cat engine, GIDDY UP :D :D :D :D :D
Peter will be hooked up at 8:01 and be headed for the border by 8:15. :D I might go again this year too. Find out if Ross will be serving those Maine grits again. ;D
Quote from: thecfarm on March 06, 2014, 07:01:37 PM
Peter will be hooked up at 8:01 and be headed for the border by 8:15. :D I might go again this year too. Find out if Ross will be serving those Maine grits again. ;D
No, Not this year I have to much going on all ready. And we all know money doesn't grow on trees ;D
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Maine grits :D :D
Wide head
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Money may not grow on trees, but trees sure produce money! and the lt-70 will get it from them in a timely fashion. if the set up is right. david
Too bad that one will only cut short logs. :-\
The wind and rain let up early this morning and we had blue skies for the drive across the county. Rivers are running high and the creeks are running brown, we have a mud road to climb the hill to the milling site and I have to back up the hill from the shop on up to the landing where the Black Oak logs are decked. Climbing the hill the tires were slipping a bit here and there, pulled up and backed the mill in thru the shop to get enough room to get turned around, backing uphill and around the corner took three attempts to get onto the landing, but still had to hook the tractor up to the mill as the red clay was tooooo goooooey
I had done the site eval about a month ago on a Friday he was expecting to be ready by Monday, 48" tree, three pieces needed quartered, 75' downhill from landing, little tractor and a lot of chainsaw work to be done, I was not a bit surprised it took a month to get ready. There is another big Black oak above the landing that he had used so he could do all his pulling down hill.
Logs ranged in length from 2' to 9' most were 5'-6' so I spent the day operating the manual dogs, and Pee-Vee assisting to turn, one of those short blue mill special cant hooks that MM has been using would have been handy today. But it took both heavy Pee Vee's to roll some of the larger Quarters in the mud. As the saw dust was generated it was spread around to the soft spots and the ground firmed up a bit as it was a nice sunny warm day, even saw the first buzzards of the year, along with Daffodils and plum trees in full bloom.
It is all being milled into random width flooring and a few stair treads. We had planned for a short day to fit both of our schedules but still had three quarters of the tree milled up and it looks like an easy 2,000 bft out of one tree. Sunny and close to 70* for tomorrow. ;D
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Anyone know what length of saw the wide head 70 uses?
It has a 6" wider cut, so it should be 12" longer. I haven't seen the length listed in WM blade chart, yet. What does the LT70 use?
Got it cut today, Went around with a saw with a 2' bar then pick it up with John and dumped it. Perfect. ;D
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Had trucks and customers coming and going all day.
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I tired ;D
Finished milling up the big Black Oak tree, we milled up every log, stick, and chunk that he had not already cut up for firewood, end tally was 2,400 bft.
Since it will be air dried before going to the local kiln-planer mill he rented a full bundle of stickers from them and will start moving it to the open ended barn and stickering it. He plans to cover the stack with plywood and stack a cord or so of firewood on top for added weight. The recovery was real good as the tree was sound thru out with minimal defects that will need to be trimmed out later.
The local planer mill can handle up to 24” and prefers wider boards for making flooring, as they have a five movable saw edger with a scanner for auto positioning that allows them to increase recovery. Our sizes were 6-18 in two inch increments most were 12-14.
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This one gave us a bit of a chalenge to get on the mill.
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The 70 takes 184"
Peter,
After seeing this, I, too, am tired ;D.
Backwoods,
Some fine oak lumber for sure!
Backwoods what happing to your clamp. Is it worn that much or bent?
Yup, Harvey needs to tighten the bolts on his clamp. ;D
What, Is that not the angle it should be at?
The heavy piece of metal it mounts to is bent. Need to pull it apart and get it straightened up. The whole clamp is worn and has quite a bit of slop in it and is on the list for a rebuild. I will gain an inch of lift on the clamp when I do.
Got the mill set up on grass bottom land where the water table is high but we got rained out. The ground here is so soft now that I just about did not get the farm truck out of the field on the first trip out to feed the cows and calves this morning.
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Looks like Little Jo will have it greased up and ready to go. ;D
I showed my wife part of the pics in this thread and told her, "THIS is what I want to do." She said maybe someday. I told her I'm not getting any younger. :-\
Peter, thanks for an informative thread. Nice pics. I am interested how the woodlot turned out, I always wanted to do that.
Well, I got to the W pine today, The one I cut in half.
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I get it on the mill and start, Use John to help hold it till I clamped it.
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All went well until it was time to turn it, Then all sawing stoped.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO I yelled, And that did not work.
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I look at the thing and said I hates big ##### logs. :D :D :D :D :D :D
That thing rolled like a ball over the stops just as sweet as can be.
So I got John to help me start over ::)
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I did get it cut.
Then I went and got the red oak made 2 cuts got stuck [log too big] tried to back up, but, The sawdust is all frozen and bent the blade all up. Get the saw and cut the ### thing out and called it a day. bath_smiley
What's all that white stuff I see everywhere? :snowball:
;D
Oh thanks Peter......now I'm gonna have nightmares! ;D
Peter, as bad as it was, thankfully it did not wedge between the sawmill and tire. :o
I too always yell NOOOOOOOOoooo. It never does any good but I always yell. It ain't a funny nice feeling. :-\
Quote from: Magicman on March 10, 2014, 08:58:47 PM
Peter, as bad as it was, thankfully it did not wedge between the sawmill and tire. :o
I too always yell NOOOOOOOOoooo. It never does any good but I always yell. It ain't a funny nice feeling. :-\
It was top heavy. I think It's the #3 time it has happed to me. And it was always a over size log ::) :D
If you can pitch a nice size log like that I would hate to see the damge you'd do pitching a small diameter 8 or 10 foot long log... :D I would think it would be a cross between dominoes, baseball and bowling all at once..... I can hear it now. STRIKE 3 !!!! :D :D :D
Quote from: Magicman on March 10, 2014, 08:58:47 PM
Peter, as bad as it was, thankfully it did not wedge between the sawmill and tire. :o
I too always yell NOOOOOOOOoooo. It never does any good but I always yell. It ain't a funny nice feeling. :-\
Definately not a good feeling Lynn!
I have only done that between the mill and tire thing three times!
Worse thing I've thought about when that happened was
DO NOT BREAK THE FEED CHAIN!
Been lucky!
Quote from: Magicman on March 10, 2014, 08:58:47 PM
I too always yell NOOOOOOOOoooo.
I yell too, at times like those, except that I yell something else instead of NOOOooo :).
When splitting the big ones I started making a second cut for the half to sit on
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then placing them on the mill with the square side to the dogs
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However that does not keep me from yelling Nooooooooooooooo when I grab the wrong lever :-\
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I have to be careful during those times when I am off of the mill and operate the hydraulic controls with my left hand, or maybe when a crowd has gathered and you get distracted. :o :D
Mercy sakes! you men are getting down and dirty on the big ones! them things will cause all sorts of verbal utterances,
Since most of what I cut is over size I used to yell a lot of things not the least of which was NOOOOOOO!
Now i set up and TRY to roll them BACK toward the FULLY raised loader with the clamp all the way in BEFORE i apply any lift? Doesnt always work quite the way you plan it and the "NOOOOOOO" words fly once more.
looks like a very nice batch of lumber came out of that one.
Had a customer drop off some 26' hemlock today. He wants 8"x14" timbers all side wood 2". They came on a back loader.That thing got to be a 30' bed
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A little fog this morning :D
Then another truck came with logs for me to buy . kinder small but that's ok.
Sometimes I need all the logs I can get . :D :D
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It been a busy day. ;D
Am I mistaken or is it getting a bit warmer there? 8)
Last load going out before mud season.
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Peter, You should change your name to highballer!
Peter,
You don't mess around!
And when I was loading him this showed up and I had no room for the logs . so I had the logger put them buy the green house. Now I have to move them :-\
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Peter...Between you and Lyle, I'm plum wore out... hurt_smiley
Some days all I do is scale and grade logs and don't get none cut ::)
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Somebodys gotta do it. If you do it, at least you know its done right. :)
How do you grade softwood? Do you have length and diameter cutoffs? Knottyness coefficients? :D
Quote from: Dave Shepard on March 14, 2014, 08:42:44 PM
How do you grade softwood? Do you have length and diameter cutoffs? Knottyness coefficients? :D
I grade Pine by length, diameter, knots, taper, damage.
I would hope so, I've seen the trailer loads of pine you get. :o :D
Around here there's usually two grades of pine, 12'x12" and up, and everything else. The good stuff just about pays for the logging and trucking, and the low grade should only put you in the hole about $100 a thousand. :D Oh, and don't think there is any left for the land owner. :-\ About the only time you can move pine is if there is a Christmas tree truck headed home or some crazy timber framer is looking for something. :D
Quote from: Dave Shepard on March 14, 2014, 08:51:10 PM
I would hope so, I've seen the trailer loads of pine you get. :o :D
What I buy is good logs....what I get free.....well, that's a different story. :D
Yeah, that free stuff is usually worth what you pay for it. ;)
Pine logs 2" knots and smaller .30
3" and bigger .15
All hemlock .22
All logs 10" and up to 30"
Hardwood, Then how many faces are clear.
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But price can change, if you can show me [nice wood] ;D
I'm kind of jumping into the middle of an old post here, but could a guy glue and nail some OSB or plywood to the bottom of a cookie like this and have that keep the top from splitting? Also, how do you mill them? Do you have to chainsaw them down to short enough to sit up on the mill, or can you let it hang down through the frame? I only have about 100 hours on my mill, so I don't have much experience with them yet.
Quote from: Peter Drouin on May 21, 2013, 08:24:39 PM
Had a customer want some cookies out of hemlock, I told him they will split but he said that will be ok, all 5" tall
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70 of them :D
do any of you know what this is for
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the bar is about 10lb and the tip is 2" or so wide and was made with the bend in it, and a T on the outher end
Dbergum,welcome to the forum. What kind of mill-size you have?
Woodmizer LT35. So far I have been cutting loads of fir brought in from the mountains to sell as 2 x 8 plank for corrals and windbreak runners. We have also hauled it out to the breaks to cut pine for the 1" windbreak boards. We quickly found out how quickly pine can begin to rot or mold when stacked wet. I'm located in central Montana in the Missouri breaks, so Ponderosa Pine is plentiful.
Have you read up on stickering on here?
I cut them with a chainsaw, then set them on the mill to make a flat cut. And OSB is good for nothing .I Stay away from it . Go with maybe a 1" board. I think it will crack. :)
Quote from: Dbergum on March 20, 2014, 03:26:51 PM
I'm kind of jumping into the middle of an old post here, but could a guy glue and nail some OSB or plywood to the bottom of a cookie like this and have that keep the top from splitting?
No. It will still crack. Mother Nature intends for all log cookies to crack, and you can't fool Mother nature.
Welcome to the Forestry Forum, Dbergum. The only success that I have ever had cutting cookies that did not crack was from a Walnut log that had been down and dead for probably 10 years or more. And about half of them still cracked and the other half probably will in time. :-\
On the road again
Had some Maple to mill up and it was over a 100 mile drive, so it was an early morning and a long day. It was more an elongated pile of big short logs then a log deck. With no equipment on site, just a pair of the heavy log-rites log handling was the challenge of the day, and it was a steady flow all day. When the pile was gone and we shut down there was plenty enough quality craft wood to make a full load for a 24' trailer. Started with just two helpers but it wasn't long before they called in extra helpers. At the end of the day they all had received a good work out and the log-rite's were receiving high praise. As was little Jo for her log handling abilities using the mill. She saved a run away with quick action of the clamp, as well as positioning a lot of odd shaped logs with precision, she had the hydraulics and I just nudged it with the PV as needed and held them in position.
After finishing up we moved the mill another 25 miles further out to the next job all incense cedar. This customer is tied up over the weekend doing a learn-to-burn on the old house so we just set the mill up by the back barn that the lumber will be stored in. Save towing the mill a couple hundred miles and gives him something to line the logs up on.
Sounded like a fine day Harvey. smiley_thumbsup
Sometimes it goes all wrong. :D
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That blade is all done. :D :D :D
Then it goes good.
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Wood goes out, That means money. :D :D :D ;D
Now I can give the money to Wood Mizer for more blades.
Is this lumber thing suppose to make money ::) :D :D :D :D :D
Hey you need a day off. I hear there is an open house in Chesterville coming up. :D
Quote from: Peter Drouin on March 24, 2014, 07:39:32 PM
Now I can give the money to Wood Mizer for more blades.
Like was said in the movie the "Lion King". It is all a big circle ;D.
Money? oh yes, plenty of money.
Profit?
lol lol lol lol lol lol lol
This morning’s commute was about 100 miles less than half was main highway or freeway, Jumped off the freeway and went up thru captain_crunche’s neck of the woods. Lot of storm damaged trees, and rough road signs as we went up and over the mountain. Passed a woodmizer set up with a full log yard. Do we have any members in the crow, Lorain Or area? My map does not load.
We had 43 incense cedar logs 8’ to 20’ with a simple cut list, largest you can get 8x8 or 6x6 rest 1x6 and 1x2 stickers. The fog had just cleared off at 10 am when I took this picture and topped out in the upper 70's*. It was a full day and we pulled in with just enough light to get everything put away for the night.
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profit? :P nope not seeing it in the book :) ::)
That sounded like a long day, but thankfully you were able to complete it in a day. Those 1½ day jobs can be a strain on the profit line.
Late last summer I spotted these "well seasoned" log piles just off the highway on the way in to town. I stopped and stuck my card in the gate. The owner called me a couple of weeks later and I drove out to meet with him the next day. He said he didn't really have a particular use for the lumber but he hated to see the logs go to waste and I agreed that it would be a shame to let that happen. I didn't hear back from him until about three weeks ago when he called and said he was ready to go.
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Not a bad place to spend a few early spring days AND only 10 miles from the house. You just never know where your next job will come from. :)
That's a nice picture. His trailers?
Yep. I see it, I saw it, I leave it. ;D
Vidi Serratus Departum? :D
I like it! I think I'll add it to my business cards. :laugh:
Nice job, Nice and flat and the logs up off the ground. Good way to work. 8)
I looked at this tree length whack this past week. It's one of two to saw. ;)
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These were removed from the building site for the customer's shop. Pine, Oak, Poplar, and I even saw some Sweetgum. :D
But will you saw the sweetgum you saw?
Is that sand I see?
Quote from: Dave Shepard on March 30, 2014, 02:23:53 PMBut will you saw the sweetgum you saw?
Yup, sawing Sweetgum pays the same. ;D
Quote from: Peter Drouin on March 30, 2014, 04:39:21 PMIs that sand I see?
I noticed that reflection in the picture. No, there is no sand on that location. That is hard clay. After this last rain, that is slick hard clay.
It was nice today cutting , the wood did not freeze together after cutting :D :D
Made some 2x4x10 and 2x6x10 out of hemlock
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Even some logs that I have not seen since last Dec.
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but I did have some ice on the logs :D
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Now I'm having fun. 8) 8)
Those last ones look like maybe you don't want to see them until next December, either. :D I didn't saw today, I bought some long hoses for a mill upgrade project, and walked in the woods to look at all the trees I can't cut now.
Quote from: Dave Shepard on March 31, 2014, 06:29:41 PM
Those last ones look like maybe you don't want to see them until next December, either. :D I didn't saw today, I bought some long hoses for a mill upgrade project, and walked in the woods to look at all the trees I can't cut now.
The snow is deep in the woods. I tried to plow some snow with the John Deere, but no way. So I used big John and that worked :D
I had a customer wanted some wood chips. You know the things are frozen 12" deep or better. I had to use Big John to break it up.
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The last pic the wood is a block of wood, You can't see the ice but it froze :D :D :D
Quote from: Peter Drouin on March 31, 2014, 06:21:12 PM
but I did have some ice on the logs :D
Peter, does the ice on the outside of the log effect/dull your blades any more or less than a frozen log? I spent a bunch of time chipping ice off a log two or three weeks ago but have since decided it's a waste of time. I will still bust off BIG/hard chunks but I was practically debarking them before. :D :-\ ::) But that's with a circular blade on the Lucas. Just curious how 'external' ice effects the band blades. ??? :P
I do chip off the ice when it's 6" thick :D The thing with ice It will hold a ½" rock and that will dull the blade. The debarker will not all ways plow through the ice.
It has been a great couple of days, three jobs out, one big one logged for next week. Wish I had a cherry picker,
the logs coming Monday will be some dandys. Tree length. I hope the Case (and Logger) are ready for it.
These are the logs that met us this morning, but the log owner didn't. Two need split and a third needs considerable chainsaw work. Got a call: ferior showed up, keys are in the cat. So we set up and started with the small logs. With moving in and setting up it was a short day. Little Jo done the sawing and most of the small logs were done when we called it a day. I have the big log set up on blocks ready to be split in the morning.
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Well at least one of us was running the mill today ;)
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The big log was 44" and it split clean and straight.
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All these big logs have thick bark packed with lots of mud and rocks, since the bark was starting to slip I worked it all off and then trimmed the knots real close to round up the logs before splitting. The extra cut down the edge gives it a flat spot to stand up on the mill. Lot of extra chainsaw work on these logs.
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Yup, Little Jo ain't worried about you. She is steadily sawing. ;D
Those logs look they would make great firewood ;)
The big ones can be a hand full. That's a lot of work , Good job :)
The story behind these logs is why they will not go to firewood.
About twenty of these big old growth trees grew 40 miles west of where they are now, over in the steep coast range near Scottsburg where he later build a house with a view of the river valley. I did a site eval and it was a non workable site, solid rock witha steep slope, it would take a cat to take the mill up and down the mountain and no mill site along the road as it was a steep climb then made a loop up and around a ridge and back down to the midway point. The trees grew on shallow ground so steep they were concerned about the houses a quarter mile down the mountain when they took them down three years ago. They hired a self loader and had a D-8 take him up to the ridge then hook on behind and take him down the mountain.
I milled up a big batch for a house project and all of the beams for the barn project and these logs got set aside to be milled later for barn restoration project. Now they have started to rebuild the 100 yr old barn that had started to sag and lean. We are milling all siding and corral boards out of these logs.
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Whittled on the big logs today.
Started by rounded all of the ugly off. To brake them down I made a cut all the way down thu the log with the 60" bar. Then climbed up on top of the 15' logs and continued the cut going about 2/3 of the way thru the mid section. Finishing by climbing down off the log at the other end and cutting all the way down thru, drive a good metal wedge in each end of the log, flip it over so the cut is at a 45* bottom side up, drive another wedge in each corner, and use the other saw with a 32" bar to finish the cut, the top half slides away from you and the bar don't get pinched.
The cat made positioning and moving the log as well as bark and sawdust clean up effortless. Which is good unless you leave the big saw on the back side of the log, unload load a stack of 1x12 onto the trailer and roll the log over the saw when you you come back and position the log.
Bar is fine, rest is questionable and will drop it off at the shop in the morning and find out the damage.
I've been working on a order of 2x10x10' 6" red oak planks for a customer.
I needed one big log to finish off the order.
So I went down to the log pile and found this real nice red oak log that was 20" in diameter on the small end and 15' long. (My logger never measures oak logs, he just cuts them wherever he feels like it, stoopid I know).
Well, I had a lot of trouble moving this log with my backhoe as it was very heavy.
How heavy was it? Well the forum tool box says it was 2094 lbs. My calculations say it was closer to 3696 lbs. We can discuss the the way I figured the weight but that's another story.
Anyway, due to its heavy weight, it was very hard to move. I couldn't pick it up with my forks. So I would normally just put a choker cable around one end and then lift up one end and drag it down the driveway to the mill.
Well this log was so heavy that the backhoe (only two wheel drive) couldn't even drag it down the driveway to the mill.
And I don't have one of those nice log trailers like Dave Shepard has, yet. (note to self, get one).
So I had to resort to another method.
I tried putting a short piece of very round log under the big log so that it would "roll" and move down the driveway.
Well that didn't work because the log chunk I used was too short and the big log just fell off the "roller log".
So I go another smaller diameter but longer "roller log" and put it under the big log and that worked very good:
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The only problem was that I had to get off the machine and put it back under several times in order to get it all the way from the pile to the mill.
I really miss my broke down log truck.
Jim Rogers
Not a good start to the day:
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I'll have to see what that is.
Jim Rogers
Well, I made the next 2" cut and didn't hit a thing. So whatever it was, was only in that 2" plank.
I figured I would have hit it for sure.
I guess I lucked out on that one.
Jim Rogers
You have to get lucky once in a while Jim! ;)
Well, my luck ran out on the way with the delivery of this lumber:
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I didn't have a spare with me. My spare for the trailer consisted of two new tires not on two rims I got from a salvage guy. So, I had to leave the trailer on the side of the road. But before I left it, I called the customer to send over one of his trucks so we could slide his (14) 2x10x10's off of the trailer onto his truck. Which he did. I didn't want to leave it on the side of the road with all that lumber on it.
After I got paid, I came back to the sawmill yard, got the two used tires I bought, two used rims that I swapped some lumber for and got a local garage to mount the tires. And got one of the new tires on the trailer. And it is home now.
What an afternoon.
Jim Rogers
I like the catwalk next to the mill. Is that to keep you out of the mud?
Peter:
Yes, but it wasn't muddy when I put them down, this time.
But it is nice walking on wood instead of hard ground.
Jim Rogers
I have a sawdust catwalk ;D.
I walk on my sawdust too.
When it is muddy I regularly "pave" with sawdust.
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When it is muddy I regularly "pave" with sawdust.
Even when dry saw dust pavement is so much nicer to work on. I just keep it damp. and it smells nice un less its Poplar/Aspen! and that'll grow on you too. :D
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When it is muddy I regularly "pave" with sawdust.
Even when dry saw dust pavement is so much nicer to work on. I just keep it damp. and it smells nice un less its Poplar/Aspen! and that'll grow on you too. :D
You're still able to smell the sawdust!? :o
Quote from: highleadtimber16 on May 09, 2014, 12:34:03 AMYou're still able to smell the sawdust!? :o
Most of us are suffering for auditory, and "odoritory" overload. ;D
When we arrived on site we walked the trail and it was soft, real soft we left some ruts getting in and out. I knew I could not pull one hill so the customer had his truck ready to pull me on in. I spun out right where I had dropped the chain. He hooked on and away we went on down the trail, watching a young oak it was aparent it was going to catch the saw head. I slid to a stop and as he spun he walked right off the side of the trail but I avioded contact with the tree and he was able to use hp to get back on the trail.
The site had a good slope to it and the legs on the mill were two clicks low on the rail side, so cut a few rounds and set up on four of them.
Good batch of Doug fir and pecky WRC.
and note Little Jo is doing the sawing while I am off taking pictures :D
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Quote from: backwoods sawyer on May 14, 2014, 01:47:13 AMand note Little Jo is doing the sawing while I am off taking pictures :D
Is seems as that is your new "normal". ;)
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I have a sawdust catwalk ;D.
Just last evening I thought about taking a picture entitled "a river ran through it" I use dust as a floor dry quite often as well, it works great and is so soft,
Looks like the logs rolled down to the mill ok. I have gone to jobs when the logs were on the downhill side. The customer did not know that a man can not roll a 1200lb log up hill alone. ::)
When he called back to say he put them on the uphill side I went to look . And the logs were piled high, Like a pyramid. ::) So when you move one all would role to the mill , If you went for the top one It would be a good way to get killed or smash the mill :D :D :D
;D like this
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When we arrived the logs were on the lower edge of the landing no equipment on site and all he had was a ranger. We spent two hours waiting while he ran across the county to get his 3/4 4x4 that he towed me in with and then drug the logs around to the high side of the mill, which accualy cleaned some of the caked on mud off the logs. He was kicking him self because the logs had been on the uuper side of the landing at one point over the winter.
Pyromid stacks can be a challenge, and are best attacked from the bottom, but a big log on a big log can add a lot of resistance.
backwoods, I don't know how you do it! I would just turn around and go home!
The morning started off with a 25 mile drive to meet the customer at the end of a road. We were early and he was right on time. He pulled up and said follow me it is about 2 ½ miles of public land and 2 ½ miles of ranch roads, is that ok? And we headed up the mountain, even in four low second gear, I spun out on loose gravel in a tight turn. I keep a chain handy, when in the mountains. He hooked on and took me on up to a less steep section of the road. We wound on up the mountain, then turned off on a rough dirt road that wound down the other side of the mountain I thing we was headed north, south, east, west, towards china two creek crossings and 35 min later we arrived at the driveway which required squeezing between two trees to turn around in a flat spot so I get a straight shot at the hill with a rutted up grassy path.
We got right to work making sawdust, had to make a step for little Jo to run the control panel. (you can almost see her sawing) the little lawn mower with loader brought some good sized logs up the hill. Finished up 2200 bft of all 1" stock in six hours and took the slow drive back up and over the mountain. Had a short hill that I needed a tug up. The drive down off the mountain was slow. I had to take the steep parts in four low first gear to keep from heating the brakes.
He did tip good and Little Jo had a death grip on her seat belt as she looked off into the canyon below :o Flat lander :D
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With daily views like that one, I can see how a man could do this, and love it, beautiful country for sure,
Good job, And 367 Bf an hour of 1" in the woods with no edger.
When you know your mill you can produce. The two of you make a good team. 8)
Sounds like you made taking sawing to the "next level" a reality. Congrats on a fine day. 8)
Todays customer was one who always has his ducks in a row. He sets the log in front of the mill with what he wants out of it painted on the end, has a helper or two handy to keep the sawdust flying so hourly rate always works out to be a better deal for him. At one point he had two trucks and a van backed up to the mill loading different sorts for each of his customers.
The log deck by the truck was all doug fir except for the three Madrone logs in front, which we got seven mantel pieces out of.
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As you can see he likes board and bat.
I like customers that know how to work. And all they want, Is you to cut and they do the rest 8) 8)
Quote from: Peter Drouin on May 18, 2014, 06:50:50 AM
I like customers that know how to work. And all they want, Is you to cut and they do the rest 8) 8)
X2 Peter!
It makes a world of difference!
We all want customers like that. I'm glad you have one.
Jim Rogers
I wish that I was that good of a customer when I cut for myself :D.
I keep the best and send the rest :D
I'm getting more orders for lumber than on the road jobs. And I keep up with an inventory too. So I called some loggers :D
3 loads today, I had to get the #1 one out of the way so the other 2 had a place to unload. 8)
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With all the cutting you get cull lumber, So I put all of it and sell it for $1 for 1" and $2 for the 2". Customers use it for chicken house to raised beds
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Some of the logs had a little hook :D
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and some big ones 24'
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And Ann and I lost a good friend today to cancer . A sad day
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Cancer is always a sad story, sorry for your loss.
Lost my dog MAX to bone cancer 2 weeks ago .
My best friend and best worker I ever had .
Sorry for your loss .
Jim Bruno of NH
Peter,sorry to hear of your loss. That cancer is bad.
Sorry for your loss, amazing how attached we become takes a piece of you. I love to see photos of your setup.
Tim
Sorry for your loss, Peter.
Sorry for you guys loss of pets, we do get attached to them.
Lot going on in your log yard.
These White Oak were waiting for us this foggy morning. The black spots on the end of the top one was an old fence. The customer had trimmed the log off above the fence and to my surpprize never had any metal strikes today, we got all the big ones milled up today and should have a short day to finish off the rest of the deck tomorrow.
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I might add the customer done all the chainsaw work including splitting the big log, unfortunately he lost 6" out of the middle of the log.
This is my customer from H :-X This morning he insisted that I set up off the gravel on the soft ground. Sawdust pile is on the gravel ::) and the mill needed reset on his dime after the first big log as it was sinking in the red clay like I told him it would. Little Jo ranks him in the top three most agravating customers of her first year of sawing.
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Quote from: backwoods sawyer on May 21, 2014, 12:38:51 AM
This is my customer from H :-X This morning he insisted that I set up off the gravel on the soft ground. Sawdust pile is on the gravel ::) and the mill needed reset on his dime after the first big log as it was sinking in the red clay like I told him it would. Little Jo ranks him in the top three most agravating customers of her first year of sawing.
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I won't work like that backwoods, And I don't care how much $ you have.
No Disrespect to you , Just the way I am.
Very sorry to read of your loss. Pets sure do have that knack of working themselves into your heart.
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Very sorry to read of your loss. Pets sure do have that knack of working themselves into your heart.
Yes they do. So how you and your mill getting along?
Quote from: TimGA on May 20, 2014, 09:45:39 PM
I love to see photos of your setup.
Tim
The mill and edger
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John
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The yard
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logs Im trying to spalted :D
Good luck on the splating. :)
Finished up the White Oak logs today. He needed 100 3x12's for two bridge decks, and he ended up with more then he needed.
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100 3x12's is a whack.
My ol' friend Tedd actually lifted that log up over the eave of the building in the background with that fork truck. Not the best judgement, but I was too scared for him to take a picture. Whew!
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Scale maxed out on the 35.
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Bibbying down, we're getting closer to making the full 2" thick x 8" & 10" the customer wanted. Ended up yielding 550bf, but I think I missed a few boards on the trailer. The customer's stacking was a mess, and he kept his hands in his pockets too much. Was kinda driving me nuts, but we got it done in about 4hrs.
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Some serious twist to the grain in that log. How are the boards coming out of it, pretty straight (so far) ?
The boards were all good except there was some that were affected by a crack in the log. Customer took more pics; I forgot to ask him to email them to me.
I like those stacks drying in the background of the 3rd pic. ;)
Good job, Logs like that can be a hand full. 8)
Recut some Douglass fir today.
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The customer is going to make bunk beds with it.
Some of Anns flowers
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Beautiful douglas fir. I am a new member but not a new reader. I have enjoyed reading all the members posts for sometime now. Not sure I have a lot to add to the conversations yet but thought I should register and let everyone know how much I enjoy soaking up the knowledge.
I am one year and three months into running my full time timber framing/whatever pays the bills business and loving it. My first mill is coming in June and I can't wait. The first project is cutting the timbers for my family's timber frame home I'm starting this summer.
I will try not to be too annoying with rookie questions.
First mill coming in June? What is it? And welcome to the forum.
Thanks for the welcome. It is a turner mill with the 24 horse honda, 36" bed width and I got a 30' trailer model so I can squeak a 25-26 footer on occasionally but still haul it to my dads when he has something to saw. I'm really excited.
Don't forget the Logrite cantdog or peavey. Sponsor on the left.
Welcome to the Forum, gullydweller. Ask all the questions you want. Be sure to show us your timber framing stuff, too, in our timber framing section. That's what I do, when I'm not logging and milling timbers. :)
I will have to have my wife show me how to upload pics to the forum, but I think that I got my link to my website set-up correctly if you click on the globe on my profile. My wife is my web designer, she works for a software company. Without her I would barely know how to check my email. Joining the forum might be my first self directed technology advancement every. Glad I did though.
Welcome to the forestry Forum, gullydweller
Today we done something different. Tree service took the 36" Cedar tree down and the customer just wanted it removed. So we set the mill up went back and got the trailer, loaded both the lumber and the tailings on the trailer and hauled them off. It took two trips with the trailer, one at lunch and one at the end of the day, and another trip back over the mountain to get the mill. The customer did use all the sawdust.
We set the mill back far enough from the tree that we had room to manuver the logs. The first two we used the clamp and a pair of chains along with a pee-vee to get them turned and aimed at the loading arms, then just rolled them in with pee-vees.
Milled out a 10x12 shed package along with some benches out of a short log.
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Very nice.
Tim
A long time ago, I had my guy give me logs from a tree he was taken down.
The logs were too big to move so I brought the mill over and cut it all up , He would not let me load the lumber on the truck. :D :D :D
He payed me .65 a BF for it. :D :D
Good job, Are you going to sell the shed kit?
Quote from: Peter Drouin on May 24, 2014, 08:11:05 AM
Are you going to sell the shed kit?
Nope this will be for my own us. Free log, $50 in gas, and a half day of milling, I did give him a couple of the bench boards and cut a sigh board for his driveway.
I see why everyone wants a sawmill ;D
Nice work backwoods! nothing better than a load to go when it can be used.
I had a customer drop off a trailer of walnut pieces he salvaged from a neighbor with firewood intentions. How pretty this log would've been in one piece I could only imagine, and faster sawing too. You can see my size L work glove on one piece for scale. These were big enough that I needed my new friend for loading help. Old Ford 4400.
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Some Most of these presented clamping challenges due to the small size. Lotsa frustration when they kept trying to move.
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Some were at the mill's capacity for cutting live edge like the customer wanted.
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The larges two pieces had to be trimmed to fit so that I could thru-n-thru on the best figure. I think they turned out ok.
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Six hours later and the initial stack heap was turned into this.
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I'll tell him to get them from his neighbor next time before they hit the firewood pile, :). It really is amazing how people do not know what they have till after it is almost ruined, sometimes. That was my last Day Cutting Wood.
Ryan
Nice recovery RP,
Peter, did I see worms, or bores In the fir?
Quote from: drobertson on May 24, 2014, 09:02:47 PM
Nice recovery RP,
Peter, did I see worms, or bores In the fir?
Nails. the customer worked 2 days pulling. :D :D
Peter,I always like that creeping plox on a wall. Looks good. Lumber looks good too.
The sun was out, Good day to cut.
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More than ½ way , All 1x3=1x4=1x5 red pine. I think there was 5 logs big enough to get 12" wide lumber with ::)
All and All 5500 BF 2 days. 7hr day 400 BF an Hr cutting 3/4/5" wide wood with small logs with one tail man and no edger.
Bigger logs with bigger lumber 700+ BF can be done. :D
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The 5 big logs I got 1x12 and 10. and we did stick the 3 and 4s :D
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Giddy up :D :D
That looks like a good day!
Nice job!!
I saw your platform for cutting too-small chunks... I often have small stuff to cut and this is always such a pain.... if you come up with any good ideas on how to handle those small pieces, please share! :)
-Dad2FourWI
Well the day started out busy.
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Empty, and go get more. :D :D
I cut a log today that had red rot >:(
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W pine, I remember that log. I saw the red rot and - ½ the BF . But I lost money on that log . It was all rot.
Trying to keep wood ahead and the mats to is a hand full at times.
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I clean the mill at the end of every day. 150 PSI. and I like to get in the small spots too.
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Now it's clean :D :D :D
I started the saw dust building. :D
And fix the road
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See the 4' grade stake by the truck that's how far the mill shed is going. The 4' roof that's there now is coming off.
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You can see some of the 6x6x16' rafters. And my 24' ridge pole.3x8x24' :D ;D
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A Day cutting wood smiley_horserider
Peter...If I had 3 guys like you workin for me, I wouldn't need 3 guys. ;) :D :D
Quote from: 5quarter on June 17, 2014, 12:57:19 AM
Peter...If I had 3 guys like you workin for me, I wouldn't need 3 guys. ;) :D :D
I'd go fishing, ;D
Looks like a well oiled machine.
Peter, do you have any problems with mold?
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Peter, do you have any problems with mold?
Some, but it's from the rain. If I keep the lumber dry Im good.
The new addition will keep all this dry.
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A small job, all red pine.
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Be done Tuesday :D
I've got 2 Red Pine sawjobs coming up, first is about 2,500 bf 2x6's and 1Xwhatever, the second is 10,000 bf of 2X & 1X, then a bunch of D-Logs.
Lately I have been cutting a lot of red pine . We have a bug killing them in NH. :)
A logger friend came in with this
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You can see the outside 4" of the slabs with all the curl . Hard maple.
The pics don't show how nice it is, But I have not seen this nice in a long time.
Peter you don't see wood like that very often, should make a nice project.
Milled a Pondaros Pine yesterday, it was all the old two wheel drive Kabota with rear forks could do to nudge it around on the hill side. The pine boards just glisten from all pitch ::)
The customer had built a solar kiln since I last milled for him, only down side to it is the little door to load and unload it thru it has maple in it from the last milling we done and he showed off a real nice end table made out of Madrone but the pic did not turn out do to lighting. He has more trees ;D
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Hot to today, but did get some pine cut and logs scaled. :D
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I found a w pine that got hit by lightning, But it cleaned up well.
Sometimes not. And I'm pith at myself for not seeing it when I scaled it. It could have been junk, Just as easy. :D
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Nice shots around your mill ! ;D Personally ,I'm eying that air-conditioned JD in the background . Hot as heck here 8)
Quote from: tule peak timber on July 01, 2014, 10:31:34 PM
Nice shots around your mill ! ;D Personally ,I'm eying that air-conditioned JD in the background . Hot as heck here 8)
It was 50° in John today. :D :D :D
I'm moving out of my house and into your JD !!!!!! :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D 92 in here tonight -----
Peter,
What would be the sign of lightning struck log (tree) when looking at the end of the log? The picture you posted gives an excellent example of what the bark looks like. How does it or does it show in the log ends?
Quote from: GDinMaine on July 03, 2014, 07:45:31 AM
Peter,
What would be the sign of lightning struck log (tree) when looking at the end of the log? The picture you posted gives an excellent example of what the bark looks like. How does it or does it show in the log ends?
With soft wood it can be hard, but there will be a rot line.
Hardwood will be all split, I'm not sure why, But lightning will go all over with a hardwood.
Did a delivery today 550 bf of w oak 4x 5/4 10' and 12'
Went to a timber frame I cut out. This last winter.
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All the 45° are red oak the frame is w pine.
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The timber framer has 2 more to put up and one to move and one to fix. Told me to get a lot of hemlock. :D :D can do. ;D
I am sure that makes you proud.
I like your style Peter. ;D
I like your signs telling what is in the lumber stack. I may steal the idea. Timber frame homes are kick ash. Cool as can be.
Quote from: WDH on July 07, 2014, 08:27:07 PM
I am sure that makes you proud.
Quote from: Magicman on July 07, 2014, 08:50:13 PM
I like your style Peter. ;D
I try to do a good job like you two guys do.
WDH I do have a lot of pride in the thing I do, Maybe too much, I have a tendency to show off some. :D :D
You know when I cut all the timbers I made sure they were square, And the framer had a guy use a hand plane on all 4 faces and 45° the corners. So to make them look old :D :D
There must be timber frames down there too, Or is it a northern thing?
Quote from: ozarkgem on July 07, 2014, 08:51:09 PM
I like your signs telling what is in the lumber stack. I may steal the idea. Timber frame homes are kick ash. Cool as can be.
It keeps me on John, And not up and down all day.
Nothing wrong with being proud. It is all hard work, and dedication to it. Keep it going as I see it,
Nice work and photo documentation Peter. I enjoy seeing what you've been up to!
Quote from: DeerMeadowFarm on July 08, 2014, 02:07:53 PM
Nice work and photo documentation Peter. I enjoy seeing what you've been up to!
Thanks,
I went around Monday and pick up some logs that I had since March.
The bugs are starting to get in them. I don't like to lose wood so I cut them into boards.
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You can see the things, about ½ the size of rice.
That log has a split in it, you can see I put it on the side. That way it will be in one or two boards.
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But I did get some nice ones 16" wide 16' long. And no blue stain.
Nice lumber. I see that slipped bark condition very often when sawing customer's logs.
Quote from: Magicman on July 09, 2014, 07:51:20 AM
Nice lumber. I see that slipped bark condition very often when sawing customer's logs.
Yes, the bark is coming off now is the time to cut them up. In 2 to 3 weeks I will lose ½ the BF of the logs, Can't make money that way :D :D :D
A job showed up today, With a little truck. Loader on the back, nice setup :D :D
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Hard to see It was getting late, But the truck will bring 15 8' logs at a time. 4 to 5 loads all w pine.
How come you guys have all of the cute trucks with the loaders? Ain't fair!! 8)
He would also have to blow that horn for me. ;)
There's an outfit 3 towns over sells the loaders. I have been thinking about putting one on a trailer.
But I have too much going on . :D :D :D
A small job came in today, Will get the cut list sat.
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The black end ones are to be 4x4 :D :D :D
Today I had a log that was split 2 ways, No way to get around it. Had to recut it.
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See it, sometimes having the extra 24' is nice, Can go 2 thing at the same time. :D :D :D :D
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nice !!!
We was sawing today too. Took the Kubota over as well to help out, the fella had his logs in neat rows, but not stacked so they were long rows, and I didn't want to move the saw. We were knocking on 1500bf at about 430pm, then as I was counting up boards the phone rings, and I got called in to work tonight, unbelievable.... It was white pine and red oak, some pretty nice stuff.
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Wow, those are extra long forks on that tractor.
Quote from: WDH on July 13, 2014, 07:51:27 PM
Wow, those are extra long forks on that tractor.
They are 48" ;D
Nice whack there chkhawk, just wondering, are the skeeters bad around that pond? and that lemonade looked pretty good too! thought I would check again, I guess I have lemonade on the brain, oh well nice work,
Quote from: WDH on July 13, 2014, 07:51:27 PM
Wow, those are extra long forks on that tractor.
I think it's just an extra small tractor for the size of the forks. :)
Quote from: Dave Shepard on July 13, 2014, 08:11:38 PM
I think it's just an extra small tractor for the size of the forks. :)
Why ya gotta be like that? :D
I didn't see any lemonade today. Drobertson, you must have it on the brain ;)
Good job.
New guy,
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Had a mix of hard and soft wood.
New guy will bring in a little wood and see how I do with price and scale. :D :D And if I pass, then there will be more wood coming in 8) 8).
Had I customer send over some wood for me to cut.
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Next week job, Sometimes I don't know what the customer is thinking :D :D :D What do you do with THIS :D
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W oak and w pine
You throw it into the woods for the bugs.
Looks like something I would put in my OWB.
That butt looks like some of the stuff I received this week. Between nails and rot I'm going to lose my own butt.....I'm paying 5$ per mile to truck logs in and the log broker sends me junk like your photo. The rest of your load does look pretty good though ! Rob
Looks like that tree was removed, had to be hauled off, and your place became the dumping ground. :-\
Must be nice, not sure but it seems that there are not many mills in your area, keep it going!
I went to pick up my mill this morning after getting called in to work at my real job sunday and monday night and found the customer had stickered all the lumber which gave me an opportunity to get a few pics of the whack of boards. You will see some of the accidental QS from cutting larger logs into two 6" cants or a 6" & 8" cant and sawing them together. Also noted is that the customer hemmed my mill in with his stack about 2-3' in front of the trailer tongue. Needless to say I left without the mill. He has about 1700bf more to saw according to what I scaled this morning, so I guess he didn't want me to leave. It would help if he would answer his phone however, so I can make arrangements to finish it up thur &/or fri.
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Oak on the left and white pine on the right.
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Nice small batch of D-Fir and Inc Cedar
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And this ugle black oak, Nice figure but low recovery
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Only one saw for the 2,000 bft day in mixed spiecies of dirty cat moved logs ;) I'm liking these saws 8)
A around 3:00 a little buck stood up by the rootwad just past the oak with the saw on it, I guess seven hours of watching the mill got boring ::)
The black oak is ugly :D :D
drobertson, There are 5 other mills in town, they just don't like to work :D :D
thechknhwk, I hope you get your mill out :D Some customers don't think :D :D
In the "travel position" my sawmill tongue only weighs about 75 pounds. I can turn the sawmill around by hand if it is on relatively level ground.
He should remove that tarp, too.
In between caring for a 95 year old mother, taking her to her doctor's and dealing with all the issues with that, I managed to cut some wood today.
First day since I've been back from my trip to NC.
A fellow called me up who had a 13" diameter log about 4' long and wanted it cut in half to make a bench seat. He said he had some "stump" pieces that he wanted cross cut to make the legs for the bench.
I told him to load up everything and come on over.
He said he'd be over in a half an hour.
Ok, one cut down the middle and cross cut the stumps with the chain saw, easy enough.
Shortly after that, a new customer calls and asks if I have some 1" pine boards on hand. And that he needed 132 lineal feet of it, random widths. I told him I did and he said he'd be over in about an hour.
Great two sales in one day, easy.
Well the first guy shows up and we proceed to saw his log into two bench seats. I sliced off one side of the log and flipped it 180° to slice off the opposite side. Blade marks on the log showed it was dull.
I figured it was only going to make three cuts and I thought it would go ok.
Half way through the center cut the blade breaks.
Well, it was an old blade and I was risking it taking more cuts after seeing the dull blade marks on the log.
I replace the dull broken blade with a "fresh out of the box" resharp blade and follow it down the center cut. Snap broke the blade.
I never had anything like that ever happen before. Two broken blades in one cut in one log. never.
Ok, so now we're on the third blade.
Instead of risking it down the middle of the same cut, we spin the log end for end. And it slices through it like a hot knife and butter.
I thought that maybe there was some metal in the log and both blades hit it and that's what caused them to break. But no metal showing after separating the two halves.
Customer decides to take another one of the logs he brought and process it the same way. We do and all is fine.
As I'm finishing up the second log the second customer shows up. He see a pile of lumber there and starts making a major mess of it taking out things and not working his way down from the top.
I mentioned to him that I'd be a few minutes and I'd be right over and help him with his order.
He asks if he can start loading up pieces. I told him that I needed to write it all down as it was being loaded.
Well, they where in a van and started sliding 16' and 14' long 1x8's into the van as I walked out with my clipboard.
I told the first customer to sit in his truck with his daughter and cool off a few minutes while I dealt with them to get them out of here so we could go back to making his "rustic" benches.
He did.
So, I ask them if they still need 132' of stock. He said he was way off on that. I asked what did they need the lumber for? I didn't get a straight answer.
We picked through some lumber and they loaded up three 1x8x16, one 1x8x12 and one 1x8x14.
I left them to come in and figure their bill. When I got back that asked it if would be ok if they took the lumber out of the van and cut each piece in half, in length so that they could easily transport the lumber in the van.
I was not happy hearing this.
I had an order for some 1x8x14's and was going to work on getting these out and ready for that customer, before these guys came along and bought up what was right on top and ready.
I mentioned to them that I wasn't happy about them taking my long stock if they only needed 8' pieces. I told them I had a lot of 8' pieces that I could easily sell them instead of taking all of these and cutting them in half. That sentence fell on deaf ears.
So they pulled the van up and out of the way and proceeded to cut each one in half while I figured their bill.
After they paid me and I thought they were done, I went back to the first customer and continue with him, by selling him some pieces of an 8x8 timber cut to 12" lengths to make "legs" for his benches.
I mentioned to him that I wasn't happy about them buy my long stock only to cut it in half right in front of me. I'm not sure if they heard me or not. But shortly thereafter one of them comes over and tells me he needs two more 1x8x8's. I sell them two of those. And off they go.
I don't know why that bothers me to see my long lumber cut in half, but it does, when I have shorter lumber on hand that they could use.
All in "a day cutting wood"......
End rant.
Jim Rogers
Jim, I've been trying to fix that by charging more per board foot on the longer stuff. Then if someone wants to cut my 16' into 2 8' pieces, I don't care, because they paid extra for the privelege ;)
Some days are like that, Jim. barbender I do the same thing longer is more
How much more are you guys charging? 10 cents? 15 cents? I charge 25 cents more for longer than 16' stock.
Jim Rogers
Not much sawing today, but loading up for the charcoal kiln,
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this last pile may very well be torched, but time will tell. price is 15 bucks a ton, so it depends on the heat, this should have been handled long ago. My fault.
drobertson, can u give a bit more information on the charcoal kiln ? I'm not familiar with this operation.
Quote from: Jim_Rogers on July 23, 2014, 07:35:22 AM
How much more are you guys charging? 10 cents? 15 cents? I charge 25 cents more for longer than 16' stock.
Jim Rogers
Hi Jim, I'm at .70 a BF for 16' lumber to 20' From there I go 1.00 a BF to 24' then up all depends on how big the wood is.
Hit the road early this morning as it is 90 miles to the mill site out in a hot field. (They could see the smoke from the Springfeild mill that burnt to the ground last week) Got set up and going good making a stack of wood when this customer doubled his original cut list. A couple hours later we started getting error messages "low voltage" made a few checks, Alternator is dead, finished the log on the mill, pulled the alternator, went to town and got one ordered for in the morning, lined up another milling job in the area while at the parts store and since we were twittling our thumbs and this trip was looking like a lot of red ink we took a side trip up in the mountains to a favorite swimming hole and cooled down for a while before making the trip back home.
I have some schedule shuffling to do since we were running a tight schedule for the next couple weeks as it was.
Passed a sawmill in the area but no fresh sawdust ::)
Quote from: backwoods sawyer on July 26, 2014, 11:53:53 PM
Passed a sawmill in the area but no fresh sawdust ::)
I see that quite often. I just scheduled a sawjob that is 90 miles away. I will pass three FF members and several other sawmills sitting seemingly idle.
I noticed an unusual bump on the side of a sawmill tire Thursday, so I gotta get a new one tomorrow. :-\
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I noticed an unusual bump on the side of a sawmill tire Thursday, so I gotta get a new one tomorrow. :-\
Didin't you have that before? And is it on the same side of the mill?
No, it was the mate on the other side. I guess that goes to show that tires of the same age should be replaced in pairs?? ???
Quote from: Magicman on July 27, 2014, 01:36:01 PM
No, it was the mate on the other side. I guess that goes to show that tires of the same age should be replaced in pairs?? ???
Magic, M. How old were your tires. I never get tires on the trailer worn down to replace them. They just get old and go bad. Seems like I have to replace about each 5-6 years.
Same here. The OEM tires separated and bulged, and now both of these replacements have done the same thing. I keep them properly aired, but that sawmill does weigh over 4K lbs.
Glad you caught it when you did ;)
When I bought the mill it had a new set of tires, I have changed two on the rail side and one on the loading arm side. A large tailing slipped while off loading and landed edge on the tread on the rail side couple months later I was changing that tire other then that they reached the six year experation date on them.
Went to pick up the alternator at the auto parts store and it had been delivered to another store 25 miles farther north out on the west side of Eugene, entered the address in the GPS drove up and picked it up. They swapped the pulleys saving me a tailgate swap. 10 min after getting on site the alternator was installed and tested good and first log was being loaded on. 230 miles, small pitchy pine with lots of taper and deformities, we still got 1,600bft, used two swirt bottles of deisle along with soap water, had to clean the globs of pitch off the bed rails several times.
If I was running a WM on the road I'd have a spare alternator in my parts box.. Steve
Quote from: ladylake on July 28, 2014, 06:34:04 AM
If I was running a WM on the road I'd have a spare alternator in my parts box.. Steve
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In over 12 years of sawing and over a Million bf sawed, I have experienced one alternator failure. It was rebuilt that day at my alternator shop and I was sawing the next morning.
Well being as were bragging I've sawed over 2 million bf and never had a alternator failure, anyway from reading posts on here WM alternators do go out quite a bit due the heavy work load and I sure would carry a spare when I saw quite a ways from home. I sure carry spare parts for my TK such as belts, guide rollers, solenoids for the up down motor, toggle switches to name a few. Steve
No brag intended. I was clearly addressing the alternator life, not mine, and I completely agree with the list of spare parts that Steve listed above. Only a few weeks ago, a seized cam follower was a 15 minute pause instead of a couple of days shutdown. Mechanical failures will happen and good judgement prevails. :)
Well I guess I should have carried a spare alternator for the car as well ::) Came in last night with lights getting dimmer by the mile. But do have a spare car ;D
Agree with the full parts boxes but it is hard to tote along a spare mill :-\
A good many things you can tell when they start to go bad and can be carried for when they are needed. Both alternators just stopped working with no warning. I did keep the core and will have it rebuilt but do to space in the truck it will live on the shelf in the shop ;)
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Any guesses?
Looks like a "Chunky Stone"?
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That our Native Indians used during a game of skill, but I guess that yours is something different. ???
Geode??
You guys might want to check out DG electrical on the net. I could put a link but some sites frown on that. I've had great luck with them. One time I did have a problem had a replacement in less than a week. Only a one year warranty but the prices are good and shipping is super fast. They carry most things electrical. Also many times have over size alternators in the same case as factory. All new no core charge either.
Larry
I just bought an alternator, from Ga Mtn Man a couple weeks ago!
Yesterday "a rain day" I took it to the Auto Electric Shop to have it checked for output and to have a pulley put on it, I also took the one off the sawmill and had that one rebuilt, it's been about 3-4 years now.
Cost $59.97, now I have 2 good alternators for the mill. smiley_thumbsup
Quote from: Chuck White on July 29, 2014, 08:25:35 PM
I just bought an alternator, from Ga Mtn Man a couple weeks ago!
He buys those things on EBAY, paints them up and goes fishing. You didn't bite did you Larry? :D
(I'm just kidding the both of you. :) )
Good info on the alternators.
That is a ball of Gritts "well sort of"
It is a ball of pitch that was gathered off the mill with some sawdust neaded in to keep it from being to sticky to handle. Had a helper who was bored and the pine logs were candidates for an ugly log contest ;) Sure gummed up the mill, The clamp would not raise, everything engadging, but the clamp would just wiggle, spayed it with PB blaster and tapped it with mini Thore as it was being worked and the pitch ran off it. Picked up a pitch braclet on both arms from handling the tailing, went thru twice as many saws as they were dirty logs to boot ::)
Brought the mill home and it was pushing midnight when we pulled in after four days of early morning and late nights with over with 800 miles on the road, conflicting weather men had it it 90-100 ??? just know it was on the warm side everyday.
Rest of the week will be in county, milling barn siding and enjoying the heat ::)
Pitch!! Thankfully my guess was just a guess because I have never dealt with that much pitch. Uggg. :-\
Backwoods, you should get an award for long distance milling. It seems like all of your jobs are a long haul. I can sometimes go months without going more than 25 miles from home for any reason, never mind towing a mill.
Pulled in to this whack of logs and got started milling barn siding Got thru half the stack with a good day of milling, all 3/4" other then a few 2x6's.
Will head out to the next milling site, 90 mile drive, over the weekend.
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Nice set up 8)
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This is the lumber that came out of those logs, couple logs had some sweep but for the most part they were nice logs with small knotts. The logs had been handled during the muddy season, and the bark was slipping so we debarkerd the worst ones as they came across the mill.
Nice whack. :)
Backwoods, that is gettin' er done ;D.
I just looked it up, back in 09 a friend from high school whom I had sold lumber to many times, asked me to cut him some 5/4 wide boards for making up some barn doors for his new place he just moved to in Maine.
He told me he wanted 25 pieces of wide lumber 8' long minimum and as wide as I could make them, up to my limit of 24".
I went down to the log pile and got the biggest diameter log I had on hand. I cut it up making 12 pieces of 24" 22" 20" 18" 16" and a few 14" pieces. But I only got 12 pieces out of that log.
So, I went down to the log pile and got the second biggest log in the pile and brought that up to the mill and sawed it out. Again getting some nice wide stock.
Both of these logs were 12' long.
I figured out the bdft and there was 700 ft in the pile of 25 pieces. I called him up and told him that his order was done. I wanted $1 a bdft so he owed me $700.
Oh my god, you'd have thought I just shot him in the foot. "$700 dollars for wide lumber?" Yes, that's what you ordered that's what I want.
Ok, we'll I'll be down in a few days and pick it up.
I never heard or saw him again. Ever.
After a while I looked up online to see if anyone else around me had 5/4 wide lumber being advertised for sale.
I found one guy in NH and he wanted $5 a bdft for his wide 5/4 lumber.
I have been sitting on this wide lumber since 09.
Every once in a while I'd sell off one or two boards.
Once I had to rip them back to 12" for a customer who wanted some 5/4 boards.
Yesterday, without an appointment, a customer comes into my yard.
He wanted some wide lumber.
I told him I had this nice pile of 5/4.
"Just what I wanted..."
I got the fork lift going and moved all the lumber lifts off the top of the pile and got it out to show him the stock.
He said he'd buy it but he didn't have any cash.
I told him we could work that out.
He said he didn't have anything to tie the lumber down to his small pickup truck with him and he'd have to come back.
I didn't want this guy to leave without this wood.
"what do you need from me in order to take this wood with you?" I asked.
He said he needed each 12' piece to be cut in half to fit into his short bed pickup truck.
I told him "no problem, I've got every kind of saw you can imagine to cut these into shorter pieces".
I got out my skil saw 125' feet of extension cords and proceeded to cut every board in half so he could load up his truck.
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He took just about all the pile I had left.
And he was happy.
I was happy that this lumber is finally out of my yard.
Only one or two pieces left and if they don't sell, then I'll use them on one of my projects.
Jim Rogers
Your friend from High School is a Shmuck and a Dork.
And he was not much of a "friend".
five years ott to be well seasoned. How many times did you shuffle it around over the years?
Took another 90 mile road trip.
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It was a side hill setup ::)
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If the last one was a whack of lumber this is a whacky whack, or at least a whacky cut list ::)
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He snuck in this white walnut :-\
there have been but a few times reading this forum that i literally laughed out loud, and this one of em:
QuoteYour friend from High School is a Shmuck and a Dork.
:D :D
the other was when magicman told poston:
Quotenot only are you ugly, you can't see good neither.
:D :D
glad to see you got that lumber moved jim! 8) 8)
Jim,
Glad it finally worked out for you. Guys like him one day find themselves in a bad spot with no bridges out because they have burned them all.
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Jim,
Glad it finally worked out for you. Guys like him one day find themselves in a bad spot with no bridges out because they have burned them all.
Thanks for all your comments, and it is true one day it will all come back to him.
Jim Rogers
Jim, you can take a couple of deep breaths and relax now!
When this new customer said he wanted that wood, I wasn't going to let him leave without it for sure. I have had it at the bottom of a pile for many years, and now it's almost all gone. I think there is only two pieces left. And they are pretty low grade. I might just cut them up for another project and get rid of them.
Jim Rogers
I'm glad it all worked out for you with the wood Jim.
Today was the last hemlock mat load to go out 12,ooo BF
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ByeBye. :D :D 8)
Now the customer wants Hardwood Mats. That's a 16' with a 10" top log that everyone want's.
Now there mat logs and not firewood logs anymore $$$$$$$$$ :D :D :D
You know pallet grade.
Do you build the mat, or just supply the timbers?
Just finished up a sawjob today, 9,669.1 bf of Red Pine.
That was a lot of logs! ::)
Yes, that is a large sawjob. What dimensions? Pictures?
Good show fellows! looks like the milling is going very well for you folks! really glad to see it and happy for you, it's lots of work as most know, keep this lil day of sawing show going for us want to bee's
Today I traveled some 40 miles or so to view this nice whack of logs....(er firewood?)
And this is what I saw:
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And from another view:
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These came from one tree that they took down in April or May and have been waiting a while for me to get available to come over there and saw them up.
That brick building in the background is the district court house. I don't know how their going to like hearing me sawing logs while court's in session. I may find out.
I mentioned to the coordinator that they had put me between a shrub and a hard place. And he didn't get it.
I explained with my drawing of a sawmill yard set up that the logs all had to be rotated 90° in order for me to roll them up onto the loader arms while I'm parked on the lawn with the sawmill.
He had no idea how we were going to do that.
I explained that if he had two or three helpers from this "teen center" that we could do it no problem with my log moving tools. Logrite to the rescue.
Being that it's a non profit center getting money out of them is going to be a challenge. I already discounted my fee $200 in order to help them out. But I am insisting on being paid when the job is done, on the day that I do it.
I explained that I'm not a "non profit" outfit, but sometimes it feel like I am, for sure.
Jim Rogers
Signed "between a shrub and a hard place".....
Nice Logs Jim, :D :D smiley_thumbsup
Quote from: Chuck White on August 06, 2014, 08:56:34 PM
Just finished up a sawjob today, 9,669.1 bf of Red Pine.
That was a lot of logs! ::)
That's a lot of logs is right. Did the mill stay in one spot and feed it?
Oh my Jim. Sometimes we are placed in a very unenviable position. You are in one now. :-\
Quote from: Dave Shepard on August 06, 2014, 07:50:44 PM
Do you build the mat, or just supply the timbers?
Just the timbers
I would presume, that not even Jim is going to bite on sawing up that pile of wood. ::)
Jim. The moment you hear "non-profit", turn on your heel and RUN!!!!!
Quote from: Chuck White on August 06, 2014, 08:56:34 PM
Just finished up a sawjob today, 9,669.1 bf of Red Pine.
That was a lot of logs! ::)
9,669.1.......... You my friend must have a very sharp pencil...
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Some days your the saw, some days your the mouse. Another day cutting wood.
Quote from: Jim_Rogers on August 06, 2014, 09:33:24 PM
Jim Rogers
Signed "between a shrub and a hard place".....
I presume by the Hour, A log rite training class is in order, as a pair of log rites will spin the logs rite around if heeled correctly.
Quote from: Chuck White on August 06, 2014, 08:56:34 PM
Just finished up a sawjob today, 9,669.1 bf of Red Pine.
That was a lot of logs! ::)
Roughly 120 logs or so ???
the tailing pile can be the biggest challenge on a job that size unless the tailings are moved from time to time. Thats makes a nice pile of wood.
pics? ;D
Poor mouse,he never saw it coming. :D
The Red Pine logs that I sawed were in 3 separate piles and the "average" diameter was 10", with a few up to 16" and a bunch around 8".
Ice storm wiped out a lot of this customers Red Pine grove! He had chippers, pulpers and me involved!
There were around 200 logs in this job!
Youngstump, I've seen all to many of these types of culls, but never a mouse in the knot hole! crazy stuff there for sure!
boy, nice logs for sure !
Quote from: WDH on August 05, 2014, 10:05:36 PM
Your friend from High School is a Shmuck and a Dork.
I think Putz would be more accurate. ;D
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Quote from: WDH on August 05, 2014, 10:05:36 PM
Your friend from High School is a Shmuck and a Dork.
I think Putz would be more accurate. ;D
All of the above..... for sure.....
Jim Rogers
P.S. I have told everyone who ever mentions his name to me how he burned me, and that I am pithed at him. So I'm sure it has gotten back to him by now.
Guys like that don't care what you think. I bet he has 20 guys pith at him. But he will call you again, You watch :)
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Yesterdays milling was the ugly duckling job. Started off with an over sized Walnut that had been hacked on with a chainsaw. Then a batch of Mayple, and since we were there he just had to knock down this Myrtlewood turned out to have a dog cable wrapped around it :-\ oh and it was 105*
Sometimes a customer has some strange ideas. Good job you did 8)
I had a really big day on Sunday. I finally got to saw something other than pine! I have been making boards for my cabin, mostly flooring and siding; all out of red and white pine.
My father in law had given me a nice 9.6' red oak about 18" on the small end. I spoke with Steve from Red Oaks (my version of Yellow Hammer University) and he gave me some pointers on how to handle oak. Thanks Steve.
I have been anticipating seeing quarter sawn oak that I cut on my mill.... I was really cool.
John.
Sounds like a good log, always nice to open up a good log and make quality lumber with the proffesser ;D 8) 8)
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Went out and marked up these White Oak logs for next weeks milling, right after the redwood. Did mark off a fence on one log.
The youngest boy got his permit today so I let him make the 65 mile drive taking all county roads, you know the ones that don't have all the white line on the asphault with a view of the river below. Only a few teeth marks in the drivers manual :D ::)
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Yesterdays milling was the ugly duckling job. Started off with an over sized Walnut that had been hacked on with a chainsaw. Then a batch of Mayple, and since we were there he just had to knock down this Myrtlewood turned out to have a dog cable wrapped around it :-\ oh and it was 105*
At least it wasn't too hot. ;D smiley_bat_morph smiley_devil smiley_devil smiley_devil smiley_devil smiley_bat_morph teeter_totter smiley_devil_trident
Quote from: thecfarm on August 07, 2014, 05:05:30 AM
Poor mouse,he never saw it coming. :D
Don't know how this one was missed...Good One :D :D
Today I went around and pick up some logs in the yard, The bugs are just starting to get into them . All w pine.
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I made them all one inch. I won't lose BF I payed for.
August is hot up here and you have to watch the pine. :D :D
I've got those little sawdust piles on some of my logs. I'm not worried, that band zips right through those bugs. :D
Quote from: Dave Shepard on August 14, 2014, 10:09:57 PM
I've got those little sawdust piles on some of my logs. I'm not worried, that band zips right through those bugs. :D
If they've got bugs in them, you can cut back on your blade lube! ;D
Quote from: Dave Shepard on August 14, 2014, 10:09:57 PM
I've got those little sawdust piles on some of my logs. I'm not worried, that band zips right through those bugs. :D
I know, But my customers don't like holes in their lumber. :D :D :D :D
Wormy wood= premium price if you can find the right woodworker. ;D
Monday morning started off with a 60 mile drive and destroying a saw on the first cut of the first log, ¼ of the teeth gone, ¼ bent over 90* rest chewed up. Finished up the third log and put on the forth saw. After that we were able to set a good pace and finished up the day with just under 3,000 bft of oak flooring all 7" wide. It all went into a dump trailer and it was a bit over loaded and I had asked if he wanted to swap out trailer but he had insisted that it all would fit in the trailer and I would not overload it as it could haul 10,000lb .
Started getting invaded about noon by these little two legged fir balls, they were coming thru the log deck and hanging out under foot, so little Jo started gathering them up and putting them in a box, before long there was 14 baby quail in the box. Later they were successfully reunited with the parents.
Tuesday we finished up the oak with just over 3,000bft this time he had two trailers ready, he had weighed the first load and the wood weighed almost 15,000 lb.
Wednesday we moved the mill 50 miles to a new site and milled a 1,500bft incense cedar tree. The butt log had to be split as it was over 40". First log had a dozen metal strikes , later sawed thru a ½" lag bolt, took four saws to mill one tree, these are third run Cooks saws that are cutting great to start with but they still don't hold up to cutting metal. We went thru a good portion of the saws that we just sharpened over the week end. I haven't had to charge for damaged saws all summer but both of these customers bought some saws.
Moved the mill a little over 60 miles this morning and milled up some good sized doug fir that came in a pick-up and a trailer load, no metal, good feed speeds made short work of that batch.
Heading out this morning for another 50 mile drive to mill more Doug fir.
QuoteTuesday we finished up the oak with just over 3,000bft this time he had two trailers ready, he had weighed the first load and the wood weighed almost 15,000 lb.
Apparently he found out the hard way that fresh cut oak is five pounds per bdft. :D
½" lag will slow you down some :D :D :D :D :D
That lag bolt did not do as much damage to the saw a hitting a section of fencing did ::)
Todays milling was Pine siding 1x12's 12'-16' long. The total bft was 4,750, and a pile of sawdust.
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I went and looked at two jobs today. One was a bonus. I went to see one guy's header, it's tight quarters and on a slope. The logs are ugly lookin, and in a mess too. He said he cut them down a little over a year ago. Mostly white pine, a few red pine, spruce and a popple or two here or there. I told him to play pickup sticks, get all the logs in one place maybe level it out a bit more with the backhoe and give me a call send some pictures. He said he'll get right on it today. Come anytime I want with the mill he'll leave the backhoe there with the keys in it use it all I want.
His Neighbor came by, I went over to his place. Lots of hemlock. A couple look well past their expiration date. He wants me to drop a bunch of the big girls. I told him to hire a logger or an arborist, I don't like to drop trees where theres houses and powerlines around. Anyways, he had a nice setup, I can use that same backhoe from down the road.
Both of these guys are for 50/50 swap. Which is fine for right now because I need to build a port for my mill and a wood shed, and a couple other projects. I gave that guy my card he kept saying he knows this guy and that guy who need milling. He said oh the 50/50 or 60/40 is great because most people round here can't pay cash but sure can swing the swap....welp...once I get going it'll be cash on the barrel head son. This sawmill gets paid to run. If I could pay my loan off in wood that'd be great. I don't really have a great setup here for selling lumber, nor do I really want to.
Anyways...
Some pics of a job I did earlier this summer. The customer recovered all of these from blowdowns from a tornado. I sawed over 1400bf the first time I was there then came down to this pile and had it scaled at 1700bf w/the FF calculator, but when I was done we counted up over 2700bf, so about 4200bf total at this location. It was the nicest pine I have seen to date.
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Hope your client got his pine stickered good for drying. Looks temporary, at best, in the pics. ;)
That's a nice whack of nice pine, cknhwk. I've got a few nice sticks I'm going to slice this afternoon.
Really nice pine.
Backwoods, that is a whack of sawdust.
That's a whack of pine for sure! 8)
Good job, 8)
Today I had an order and ran short on 8' and 10' pine logs.
So I went to my friendly neighborhood landing and got some :D :D ;D
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I know too much, But it was a mile away. 680 BF :D :D :D :D ;D
Now there's a "WHACK ON WHEELS". :D
I like the rope tie downs !
Tied the old school way :)
Quote from: Bruno of NH on September 08, 2014, 08:17:32 PM
I like the rope tie downs !
Tied the old school way :)
That's me, old school :D :D
I see customers all the time, can't tie a knot :D :D
That's a load! 8) Good thing it was pine.
Do I see a "wagoneer's hitch"? ???
A movers hitch. Can get the rope as tight as you want. ;D
It's the best way to tie lumber or ladders on a truck rack .
I learnt it from an old lumber delivery driver when I was a kid .
The young guys that work with me don't know what rope is.
Bruno
Quote from: Bruno of NH on September 09, 2014, 05:28:50 PM
It's the best way to tie lumber or ladders on a truck rack .
I learnt it from an old lumber delivery driver when I was a kid .
The young guys that work with me don't know what rope is.
Bruno
They all use ratchet straps now or bungees :D :D :D :D :D :D
Also note the type, size and length of rope used to tie the logs down. A section of rope like that with the Knowledge to use it is a handy tool indeed ;)
Thanks backwoods.
It's funny, I have ratcheted straps and never use them :D
Sometimes the ratchet straps are worse than changing the grease tube in a grease gun :).
Just keep them lubricated and feed the strap in the right direction and they are great.
Quote from: WDH on September 10, 2014, 07:16:37 AM
Sometimes the ratchet straps are worse than changing the grease tube in a grease gun :).
Don't bring that up again, ever.......
Jim Rogers
"Grease Guns -N- Grits". Maybe Jim -N- Danny could play at the next Git Together. fiddle-smiley smiley_guitarist smiley_trap_drummer smiley_singsongnote02
Just wondering, is this movers hitch the same as the Bolin hitch knot? ropes are handy, and ratchet straps are too, applications and requirements often dictate which are used.
Quote from: WDH on September 10, 2014, 07:16:37 AM
Sometimes the ratchet straps are worse than changing the grease tube in a grease gun :).
Heck I can remember filling a grease gun out of a bucket of grease, now that could get a bit messy!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: drobertson on September 10, 2014, 09:57:35 AM
Just wondering, is this movers hitch the same as the Bolin hitch knot? ropes are handy, and ratchet straps are too, applications and requirements often dictate which are used.
Don't think so, here is the "mover's knot", I think of it as a "canoe" knot because that's how I strap down the canoe and anything else I need to ratchet down tightly with a rope.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H59bhXDUMcg
Oh yea, never had a name for these loops, but I use them all the time when not using the ratchets'
Ok, A 24' log w pine, The customer wants a 3.5"x22' counter top live edge.
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How much would you charge just for the top, The rest of the log will make 12' 1" boards. The top is 154 BF.
You know what I would charge. :D
$2/board foot.
I charge up to $100 bucks a foot for stuff like that depending on the tree and how hard it is to get the log you need to make the piece you need.
How hard would it be for him to find it else where?
Specialty cuts are the cream of the business. DON'T sell your self short!
In this case I would think a $40 ish price per foot would be about right.
JMO
Quote from: Dave Shepard on September 10, 2014, 06:05:30 PM
$2/board foot.
Plus a $500 custom milling fee, or $300 in SC.
I would be about $4.00/BF.
Quote from: POSTONLT40HD on September 10, 2014, 05:58:25 PM
You know what I would charge. :D
:D Well, I think you would cut it into 3-8' pieces and charge $300 a piece ;D
Last week this customer calls me up and says he has some maple he wants cut up from a tree in his yard that fell down during a storm.
I told him: "sure bring it right over" and "I'll lift the logs out or off your trailer with my backhoe".
He brought me this "whack" of wood:
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He carried most of the pieces off the trailer over to the sawmill, as they were very small.
He held one up that was about 4" in diameter and about 4' long and curved and asked me what did I think of it.
I told him, quite frankly, that it was firewood.
Most of it was for sure, but you know the old saying "the customer is always right".
He was willing to pay me to mill his firewood into lumber, I was will to take his money.
Just another "day in cutting wood".
Jim Rogers
Those pieces are important to him, and our job is to saw. 8)
If you pay I will play[ old saying] ;D
Quote from: Peter Drouin on September 11, 2014, 12:10:35 PM
If you pay I will play[ old saying] ;D
yes, I use "If there paying - there Saying..."
Cheers
Justin
Quote from: Peter Drouin on September 10, 2014, 05:43:10 PM
Ok, A 24' log w pine, The customer wants a 3.5"x22' counter top live edge.
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How much would you charge just for the top, The rest of the log will make 12' 1" boards. The top is 154 BF.
Must be a big house. My house is not 24 feet wide.
100 miles away another yard tree came down ::)
When we arrived the customer had no idea what length he wants. So to take out the dog leg we went with a 16' couple 12' and a couple 10'. The butt log weighed in at 6,400 lb 38" small end.
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The mill will be set up on the street. All of the tailings and lumber will be hand packed past the stump into the backyard where it will be stacked ::)
Wow!
I have a cut list for 2 barns......bring me 1 log please. :D
That's a tree :D
Loggers moving to the other side of the land track , Called me to pick up some loose ones. :D [Pine and hemlock]
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Do anyone here use the log tongs to unload . Most times I can hook, pull and unhook without getting out of John. ;D
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They'er a big help here. :)
I do that all the time.
Jim Rogers
I got three sizes of tongs as well, just don't have John ;D
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The butt log was trimmed back to 8' as the fluting went in about 2' Rolling that 1,000 lb fluted chunck up into the back yard gave the 4 man crew of day labors a work out first thing in the morning as they came to relise they were packing the whole tree into the backyard :o :o :o :o ;D
The butt end was still 48" so I ripped it in half. 2"x 22" slabs was the target, the last log of the day was 12' and took all four of them to pack each one of the slabs to the backyard, they were so heavy with moisture they would flex 3"-4" as they were hefted up :o
When we finished we drug the sawdust up into the frontyard and dumped there as the stump grinder will be in monday and the excavator will be in tuesday to replace the sewer lines.
Both the crane opperator and the one writing the check told me we don't charge enough and tipped nicely ;D
When we got home I found one of the real disadvantages to sawing portable. The keys had been pulled out of the switch and placed on top of the control panel when the mill was put in travel mode and needless to say they were not there when we got home and I had already put the hitch lock on the mill. We made the 100 mile drive up to see if they could be located but they were not found :(
Peter
The log tongs look like a slick set up for unloading !!!
Jim Bruno of NH
Backwoods, what species was that tree?
About the keys, I keep my truck and mill keys on one ring for just that reason.
Or a spare key for the mill in the truck and at home. :)
I use tongs quite a bit. I have 4 different sizes . That looks like a pretty good load for your truck and trailer. Did you have a crowd watching you saw lumber in the street?
It as Sequoia, about 40-50 years ago a good many of the nurseries in the area carried them. Another large one across the street. Now they are getting so big they are causing damage and have to come down.
Had a few duplicates, but several will require changing lock sets, Had just got a second key for the car last week and the original was one of the missing, that was close. Got to know the key maker at the local hardware store today ;D
The area had light auto traffic but a lot of dog walkers, foot and bycyle traffic. We took a break when the school on the corner let out. Did hand out a few cards and a few lounge chairs, cigars and coolers came out. At the end of the day it was all thumbs up ;D
So, yesterday, we hauled my mill some 85 miles south to a salvage lumber yard. I was to bring my 6' bed extension along so we could mill up some 23' long beams into smaller pieces.
I hired a friend with a nice flat bed pick up truck to haul the bed extension behind me as I hauled my milled down there.
Wasn't the best weather for the ride or set up. But the mill is there.
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above are some of the first timbers that I have to cut in half.
They were suppose to be 23' long. Not to bad to do on a 22' mill, will only have to slide them 1' or so I thought:
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A bit longer than 23'. The tape reads 28' 7".......
The yard area where I was going to set up was a little rough. I asked the bobcat driver if he could flatten it out some.
He said sure:
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back dragging with the timber. I sure hope they don't expect me to saw that one......
Got the mill in the yard but didn't get the bed extension hooked up yet:
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Some of the ends of the timbers I have to cut today:
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I'm leaving now as it is a two hour drive and I have to be there by 7am to meet up with the bobcat driver.
Wish me luck for sure.
Jim Rogers
More photos later on.
Good luck to ya Jim.
Good luck to you again. As to the timber in the dirt, I have a customer where that seems to be standard log preparation. ::)
The beam dose work well. :D :D :D :D
Cut some butternut today.
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And a load came in.
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Nice hemlock, This is what good stuff looks like all white on the ends
3800 BF in all.
Yes,nice looking hemlock.
They came from a place that is sandy.
I sure like those short self loaders!!!
They are great looking logs, do you find less shake in that size of tree vs the older. bigger ones?
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They are great looking logs, do you find less shake in that size of tree vs the older. bigger ones?
No, it's all about the ground, Sand and clay seem to make nice wood.
W pine no red rot, No spider crack on the end of red Oak, No shake in the Hemlock. Not 100%, but you can see the wood is nice. When the loggers are on ground like that I try to get what I can.
Right now the big mills are screaming for logs. We have one mill goes through 30 +loads a day. :)
OK so here's the update on how the job went.
First timber 9x15x23' had to cut two 3" piece off of each side.
First cut first side, first timber.
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I hate when that happens.
First piece after replacing broken blade:
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I had to make (6) pieces 3x15x23' the rest were 18' long a little easier.
Some were 4" thick and the bobcat driver was very good sitting them on and lifting them off.
Then they brought me some 3x floor joists and told me to just cut them in half. The wide way.
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most were less than 8' long.
Some weren't that great inside:
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But they don't really care about that.
They put that side, the inside, down and make that the bottom side of the table top. The glue these wide pieces together and make antique lumber table tops. and that means the rough out side of the old beam is the top of the table. they seem to sell a lot of these.
While I was there, I saw him making a counter top for a sandwich shop somewhere near by.
Mud and rain on Wednesday and Thursday.
Friday was a sunny day but they said later Thursday that I was done.
I spent all day Friday going down there, removing the bed extension and waiting for the truck to show up to haul it back. then driving it back 85 miles one way.
I won't be doing this job again for this price. Next time more money for sure.
Jim Rogers
Another load pine and hemlock
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I have been cutting 2x stuff so I need the hemlock.
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Look what I found, :D A short one, I like 6" trim on the logs.
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Would you pay for a 8' log with 1½" trim? :D :D :D And would pay for this thing? :D
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I know Poston would make something out of it. :D
The hemlock is big some bigger.
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Then a customer came in and had some elm, Wants to make a truck bed with it .
Will Elm work out in the weather? How long will it last? And the logs are not the best. :D :D :D
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Treated, bout like pine, left with a topical coat, not too long,
QuoteThen a customer came in and had some elm, Wants to make a truck bed with it .
Will Elm work out in the weather? How long will it last? And the logs are not the best.
If that is what the customer wants to make his truck bed from, then why not as long as you get paid ??
Many many years ago, my cousin who was in the excavation business at the time, re-decked his backhoe trailer with elm and it didn't last long at all. Not even as long as oak.
He thought it would be rough and tough as it is hard to split to burn but it didn't last very long for him.
That's about my only experience with it that I can tell you.
Jim Rogers
The old timers here rave about elm for decking. I think that was due to strength more than longevity maybe? I've never got to test it out myself.
I thought you was off Fair Hoppin', now you are cutting elm :D.
Quote from: WDH on October 06, 2014, 08:32:05 PM
I thought you was off Fair Hoppin', now you are cutting elm :D.
I am, going Friday and Sunday :D :D :D :D :D :D
The elm is for next week If I get time :D
Quote from: beenthere on October 06, 2014, 07:30:54 PM
If that is what the customer wants to make his truck bed from, then why not as long as you get paid ??
When someone asks me about wood I like to know what I'm talking about. ;D
Peter, Do you buck your logs? Or saw them, in whatever length they come?
Quote from: highleadtimber16 on October 06, 2014, 11:39:46 PM
Peter, Do you buck your logs? Or saw them, in whatever length they come?
I tell the logger what I want. All cut to length 8'6"---10'6"---12'6"---16'6" and up. No 14' :D :D :D :D
Here in Pa. they cut hemlock in 25' lengths
Quote from: Peter Drouin on October 07, 2014, 05:54:43 AM
Quote from: highleadtimber16 on October 06, 2014, 11:39:46 PM
Peter, Do you buck your logs? Or saw them, in whatever length they come?
I tell the logger what I want. All cut to length 8'6"---10'6"---12'6"---16'6" and up. No 14' :D :D :D :D
That's nice. Gives you more milling time and less bucking. ;)
I was back to sawing today.
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Four 8' Sassafras logs to be sawn into 1X5's & 1X10's for flooring, plus one 2" slab for a counter top.
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Thankfully I quoted "hourly rate" and came out OK. I did not scale the lumber but it looked like about 500 bf. It took 4 hours which was not too sporty production.
Wow, how do you find sassafras trees like that ???.
And since he did not quite have enough, he said the log that he left at home was even larger. :)
That was some beautiful lumber. He is taking it to the kiln guy for drying, planing, and T&G.
Some nice logs
Those are some nice sassafras, logs like that are few and far between around here.
YH
I never heard that name before Sassafras, I had to google it, they are quite the tree in regards to their job in nature and what they can be used for. Oil from the bark is used to flavor rootbeer, tea and also perfume soap....learn something new every day! They are really nice looking logs MM.
The big ones are extinct around here.
We had one old Sassafras that was well over 3' at an old share cropper house site when I was growing up. It is long since gone and I doubt that I have a Sassafras over 12" on the place.
This customer says that there are many large ones where he lives which is in the Bogue Chitto River Basin. I hope that he brings the "larger" log for me to saw.
No doubt them are some very nice sassafras logs, I've only sawed a few, but really like it, the smell and the way is saws.
The customer carried home a bag of sawdust. :) Since this was one of the very few times that the logs were brought to me, I guess that the slabs will be firewood.
The last job on the road :D :D :D :D I hope
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The bark was coming off and was everywhere. You know how much fun it is when it gets under every cant.
And if you peel it off, The logs are like ice and slide all over, I walked on some bark slipped and fell, Like walking on ice.
No John Deere :(
Every log had limbs 6" long that had to be cut off so they would role ::)
But it is over, I'm home with work coming in.
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First of 3 maybe 4 loads. Cutting out a timber frame sugar house 8) 8) 8)
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All the bark is on :D 8) No slippery logs no bugs, All the limbs are flush . And John is here Customers coming Fryday Sat and Sunday to pick up lumber. 8) 8)
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Maybe I can get to my cherry logs too. 8) 8) 8)
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A long day cutting wood smiley_sweat_drop
It's nice to see you settled back in Peter and I know that you are happy. :) But of course what you are leaving is my normal. ::)
Quote from: Magicman on October 30, 2014, 11:00:25 PM
It's nice to see you settled back in Peter and I know that you are happy. :) But of course what you are leaving is my normal. ::)
I did it for a lot of years, But I think you like the travelling more than I do. ;)
Home is a good place to be.
I noticed those logs looked old. The limbs made it that much harder.
I often tell a customer that if he had taken one step closer to the log, he would have gotten the limb sawed off. I say it in a joking manner, but I am serious. That prompts them to grab their saw and start trimming. Some folks just do not know.
Excessive nubs makes me rub my head, and mumble under my breath ;D
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Got Nubs? ??? ::)
MM at least the customer had taken one step closer to the nubs as they are no longer limbs :D
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More Cherry 8)
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Another load.
The boys are busy.
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Logs all over :D
Would you guys call this cherry burls or just a mess? :D :D :D
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I'm going to make a $300 bench out of this :D :D :D
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With sweep, The (I) on the end is to remind me of Iron in it :D
Oh, you would remember when you heard that sound. :o :D
peter you sure get some nice w pine 8)
I thought the [ I ] was so you remember that it needed ironing to keep it flat :)
Another load,
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I don't like scaling W Pine. What a mess, I wonder if I clean the stick the numbers will come off :D :D :D :D :D :D
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What a sticky mess you have there!
I betcha in a month it won't do that. ;D
Quote from: thecfarm on November 10, 2014, 07:30:28 PM
I betcha in a month it won't do that. ;D
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D No, and you won't see them in the white stuff :D :D
Get your long Jon's out for milling this weekend .
Looks like we will need them in NH
Jim/Bruno of NH
Quote from: Peter Drouin on November 03, 2014, 09:13:30 PM
Would you guys call this cherry burls or just a mess? :D :D :D
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I'm going to make a $300 bench out of this :D :D :D
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With sweep, The (I) on the end is to remind me of Iron in it :D
Looks more like a canker than a burl.
That sweepy ferrocherrry might make a couple of nice live edge fireplace mantles. ;D
I put new blades in the edger today. What a job, and the lineup after. Sometimes I wish the blades were two pieces :D
I had to adjust the shaft some.
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And move it back.See the nuts and blots.
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I use a string to line up the fence.
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How much were the new blades? I think I need to do mine. Or maybe I just need to peel a layer or two of crud off my feed rollers. :D
John will be walking in style.
Quote from: Dave Shepard on December 17, 2014, 10:16:19 PM
How much were the new blades? I think I need to do mine. Or maybe I just need to peel a layer or two of crud off my feed rollers. :D
I bought them last spring. 125.00 each. Was that you that had trouble with tracking using the fence?
Quote from: WDH on December 18, 2014, 07:16:08 AM
John will be walking in style.
Yes, but now I have to be careful not to break the pallets.
About edger blades-
I sent my WM edger blades to these folks to get re-tipped and the did a superb job.
Mathieu Saw and Tool
Lewiston,Maine
207-783-9087
If I'm just running a board through using both blades, it seems to do just fine. If I have a straight edge against the fence, it walks away, leaving me with a narrow end. Also, one of the blades seems to leave a fuzzy cut once in a while.
I like the new hardware on the front of John.
Nice, don't fall down in between the lugs, so should give great traction. smiley_thumbsup
Quote from: Dave Shepard on December 18, 2014, 03:33:37 PM
If I'm just running a board through using both blades, it seems to do just fine. If I have a straight edge against the fence, it walks away, leaving me with a narrow end. Also, one of the blades seems to leave a fuzzy cut once in a while.
You can move the feed roles some, that will help with tracking. I use a square on them. Square to the body of the edger. The fuzz is a dull blade, If you look you will see a flat spot on the tooth tip.
Quote from: 47sawdust on December 18, 2014, 01:37:40 PM
About edger blades-
I sent my WM edger blades to these folks to get re-tipped and the did a superb job.
Mathieu Saw and Tool
Lewiston,Maine
207-783-9087
smiley_thumbsup
According to WM if the edger isn't level in both directions you won't have good results.
Quote from: 47sawdust on December 18, 2014, 07:16:12 PM
According to WM if the edger isn't level in both directions you won't have good results.
True.
I you put a straight edge like a piece of 1/8" angle iron on the out feed side in alignment with your stationary blade it will hold the wood straight as it feeds thru the edger.
Quote from: loggah on December 19, 2014, 07:01:12 PM
I you put a straight edge like a piece of 1/8" angle iron on the out feed side in alignment with your stationary blade it will hold the wood straight as it feeds thru the edger.
The wood goes away from the fence, so if you did that the board will be ¼ to ½" away from the out feed fence.
Well, I had time to start finally.
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I put a pole at each end, then fill the rest in. :D :D
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4 more posts for the other wall, then I can start the roof. 8) 8) 8)
I'm sick Of snow on my wood and my pallets frozen to the ground.
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I hear there is ocean front property in Arizona :D sunny and 75°'s year round ;D the start looks real good, and I'm with you on the snow, not a big fan either, Pretty stuff, but a pain to work in,
That will be really nice when it's done, Peter. Having everything under cover will pay for the effort in short order.
I'm getting pretty aggravated by the snow, too. I've got a bunch of stuff to edge, and processing my slabs can be a pain when they are all stuck together. I've got my eye on a few W24x94 beams 39' long. Three of those in a row ought to be enough. 8)
Snow is no fun,but the rain at 34° is worse.
Quote from: Dave Shepard on December 20, 2014, 08:42:26 PM
That will be really nice when it's done, Peter. Having everything under cover will pay for the effort in short order.
I'm getting pretty aggravated by the snow, too. I've got a bunch of stuff to edge, and processing my slabs can be a pain when they are all stuck together. I've got my eye on a few W24x94 beams 39' long. Three of those in a row ought to be enough. 8)
3 39' yeah, I think so. Can you get a good deal on them?
:christmas:
Quote from: thecfarm on December 20, 2014, 09:26:57 PM
Snow is no fun,but the rain at 34° is worse.
How much snow do you have up there?
:christmas:
Quote from: drobertson on December 20, 2014, 08:32:41 PM
I hear there is ocean front property in Arizona :D sunny and 75°'s year round ;D the start looks real good, and I'm with you on the snow, not a big fan either, Pretty stuff, but a pain to work in,
It is a pain, But you have a nice Mill building for your mill so you can cut in bad weather. Do you have some? I had 12" but with all the rain, I think 2" now.
:christmas:
Yeah, I think I can get a good deal, just tell the guy that owns them to bring me his Lull, so I can unload them, and to go back and get them with his trailer truck. :D I don't know what it would cost in the end, but I'm sure it will be manageable. The next trick will be what I'm going to use for the three posts. There are other shorter pieces of steel there, might see if he has something for that. I'm going to have an ~80' opening, and the rest for the edger bay. Plan is to have another 24' extension some day.
Peter,maybe 3-4 inches,with a crust on it from all the rain. I should be in the woods cutting some trees,but I'm playing with some firewood up by the house.
Hang in there Peter, and keep your head up to keep your nose above the snow :).
Quote from: WDH on December 21, 2014, 07:56:21 AM
Hang in there Peter, and keep your head up to keep your nose above the snow :).
:D :D :D smiley_thumbsup :christmas:
were lucky so far not much snow, up twin mtn and Gorham way couple feet of snow. I went north to labonville to get some boots today. Peter you will be some happy when that shed is built ! ;D
Peter, you need to learn to sit your lumber pallets on "freeze blocks" so that the blocks freeze to the ground and not the pallet.
I've been doing that for 20 years.
Jim Rogers
Quote from: Jim_Rogers on December 21, 2014, 09:36:30 PM
Peter, you need to learn to sit your lumber pallets on "freeze blocks" so that the blocks freeze to the ground and not the pallet.
I've been doing that for 20 years.
Jim Rogers
I use to put down slabs flat side up and that would work well. Then in the spring pickup the mess of slabs that are all over the place.
The front poles are going in today. With 80' of roof I hope no more freeze in. :D :D
Then in the spring the wide shed and saw dust shed will go up before I get busy.
:christmas:
Where are you going to put the kiln?
Quote from: WDH on December 22, 2014, 07:25:39 AM
Where are you going to put the kiln?
Over by my workshop, then when the wood is done In a room at the end of the mill building. I'm going to stand the wood up. What do you think about standing the lumber up on end to store it?
:christmas:
Peter
Are you putting up trusses or rafters on your big shed ?
That will be a great building .
Jim/Bruno of NH
Storing vertical is a great way to go. Easier for the customers to sort through the boards, kinda like pages in a book. I have a good bit stored that way.
Quote from: Bruno of NH on December 22, 2014, 06:12:13 PM
Peter
Are you putting up trusses or rafters on your big shed ?
That will be a great building .
Jim/Bruno of NH
Rafters, I'm cutting them tomorrow :D :D
Quote from: WDH on December 22, 2014, 08:24:14 PM
Storing vertical is a great way to go. Easier for the customers to sort through the boards, kinda like pages in a book. I have a good bit stored that way.
I thought it would easier that way. The customers always want the board on the bottom ::)
Do you do that YH?
Peter, I stored a bunch of white oak i had sawn out standing up one time! you could have made sled runners out of it,ruined it all. I think you would have to keep turning it to keep it from warping.
I only store it vertically after it is fully dry.
Well this oar was dry and sawn into 1 1/2" x2 1/2" and it still warped. Probably not a big deal with softwood,boards or framing lumber.
I remember in the 40's-50's all SYP lumber was stacked vertical. The sawmills had huge rows of lumber and the "hands" would flip it end over every so often. I remember my Granddad flipping the lumber that was used for our home that was completed in ~1949.
Big marble slabs will bend stored vertically. People don't think marble bends, but it does. :D
I stack flat for several reasons, not saying its the best for everyone, but it works for me.
I like being able to very quickly and conveniently look at the ends of the boards in the racks and inspect for cupping or twisting without having to handle them. All I have to do is glance at the rack and see if a board shows undesired movement, so I can cull or downgrade it before a customer gets to it.
My "showroom" is essentially a fixed up barn, and is not climate controlled. So keeping the boards dead stacked really slows their reabsorption of moisture until they get sold.
Customer safety - I like keeping the boards low down and horizontal as much as possible, with little chance of tipping or falling on customers. It amazing how much like the Three Stooges some customers get by leaning and swinging boards without looking where anybody else is. I once had a customer almost get knocked in the head by some lumber that was leaning against a wall, and he looked at me and said "I almost got the whole rack for free." :(
YH
Thank's for the info YH you have some very good points. :christmas:
I like that log roller. Great Idea.
I spent the afternoon sawing up some of the leftover logs from last springs logging adventure. I got three 8"x8" beams I need for a shed I'm working on and a bunch of side lumber for another project. It was a great day today. Sunny and warm. I think it must have been almost 50 today. The mud had receded to a reasonable level as well, the only remnant of the pre-Christmas glaciers. :D
I took the time to fix something that's been broken for about five years now. On the newer LT40 mills there is a little deflector on the drive side blade cover. It's riveted on with seven rivets. I somehow busted mine off, but managed to save it from the sawdust heap. I had some 1/8" stainless rivets at the house, so I brought some up to the mill and popped the deflector back on. The lowest hole had been compromised, so I drilled another hole below it. I think the original rivets were aluminum, and just sheared off. Although during an altercation with a 47' log, I'm not sure that matters. :D Should be good to go now:
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I finally riveted and brazed mine on. Vibration is the killer.
Good job,
Well had 3 days to work on the shed.
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Now I can go the other way 80' :D then I'll do the sides
Your snow keeps hanging around. :)
good job. Looking good
It's all coming along good , If the cold will give up a little, It would be nice. :D
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Yesterday a customer came to have me cut some W Oak. I looked and told him it looks like he started cutting already. Said he did, but the other mill in the next town over could not. :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Easy job, :D :D :D
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I think the other guy was cheaper. :D :D :D
Cheaper is not always better.
He can only be cheaper if he gets the job done. Maybe his talk is cheaper.
After asking around I found out the other mill Is a young guy with an older LT40HD, [First mill] and is having trouble with it .
I'm going to call and see if I can help him get up and running. :D
That is a very nice gesture. 8)
That White Oak timber looks cold.
Good for you Peter.That gesture shows what you are made of.al
Quote from: Peter Drouin on February 22, 2015, 08:25:18 AM
I'm going to call and see if I can help him get up and running. :D
Are you running a service loop now? :) :) :) Come on down South and look at mine....We'll grill some Texas steaks. ;D
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Quote from: Peter Drouin on February 22, 2015, 08:25:18 AM
I'm going to call and see if I can help him get up and running. :D
Are you running a service loop now? :) :) :) Come on down South and look at mine....We'll grill some Texas steaks. ;D
:D :D No loop today, Moving a lot of snow :o Thanks for the invite, If I ever get over that way I'll call and We can have some Texas steaks digin1
Quote from: slider on February 22, 2015, 09:17:53 AM
Good for you Peter.That gesture shows what you are made of.al
X2! smiley_thumbsup
Peter,
Stay away from the GOAT cheese.
:D :D :D :D :D
Well, The guy that has a WM that needs help wants no help. :D :D O well, I tried.
This is the next to last load before mud season. I was going to get 2 other loads, but the other logger brought them to the big mill. I think he's afraid he will get shut off or something like that.
But, he did not have to lie to me about it, That's ok When he wants something he will be back. :snowball:
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Just have to make past mud season. :D :D
I wish I could get loads like that delivered. :-\
Why would the big mill shut him off over two loads? Especially if they weren't expecting them. :)
Not looking forward to mud season...where I'm set up it's so poorly drained mud season lasts twice as long. Need to find somewhere better to set up. I've been spreading sawdust everywhere I have to get equipment hoping that it might buy me some time.
Quote from: Dave Shepard on March 13, 2015, 08:05:10 PM
I wish I could get loads like that delivered. :-\
Why would the big mill shut him off over two loads? Especially if they weren't expecting them. :)
You have to see it his way. He sells a lot of wood. More than I need sometimes.
Some guys get shut off this time of the year. The mills around here have been buying like crazy. And do get full of logs. So they tell some a load a week, Or one every two weeks.
The guy has to pay the bills .
Sometimes, It's more work getting the logs here than cutting them. :D :D
If he would have said no I can't. OK, then I'll go to another logger . But don't say I will and don't.
So why can't you buy logs?
It seems that very little pine gets cut around here. I talked to a guy last year and he shot me a really high number and I couldn't make it work.
Quote from: Dave Shepard on March 13, 2015, 08:55:48 PM
It seems that very little pine gets cut around here. I talked to a guy last year and he shot me a really high number and I couldn't make it work.
Around here W Pine goes for 180 to 330 a 1000.
Got my other load today.
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Some good some BAAAAAd. :D
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One is junk,
I think I will make it past Mud season,
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Maybe. :D :D
I have a customer I'm cutting some hemlock for, And he want's the slabs. I have the mill set up so I can band them up.
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This setup works well for me. My slabs go in the one ton, Instead of the rack, then to the Morbark.
Yep, if it works don't fix it! still looks cold up your way! them logs are froze, keeping dimensions any issue at all?
It's nice to see your inventory build up. 8)
Quote from: drobertson on March 14, 2015, 01:27:25 PM
Yep, if it works don't fix it! still looks cold up your way! them logs are froze, keeping dimensions any issue at all?
Frozen logs are no fun, But the WM with a razor sharp blade will do a nice job. ;)
til they thaw,?
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Some good some BAAAAAd. :D
What's wrong with that stick? or is it a good un, looks good from my house
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Some good some BAAAAAd. :D
What's wrong with that stick? or is it a good un, looks good from my house
It is a good one :D :D
Quote from: drobertson on March 14, 2015, 08:05:07 PM
til they thaw,?
And then what? :D
I thought so! Do you ever get logs that have 1/3 of it gone due to notch? I like humboldts better take the notch out of the stump not out of the log!
When I cut logs,there is no way that rotten one would make it in the log pile.
Quote from: thecfarm on March 14, 2015, 09:07:01 PM
When I cut logs,there is no way that rotten one would make it in the log pile.
I don't know why it's in my yard :D And the two 7' logs I got too. :D :D :D
I stop asking why :D :D :D All an All 8700 bf.
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At least there might have been some usable wood in there! Besides that one looking you right in the face there were some nice sticks in here...until I found out they were bucked 7'10"
Short......... It really ticks me off when I get into a customers log pile, really making some progress and all of the sudden I'll roll a log down and right behind it there'll be 5 or 6 logs that are bucked 6 feet!
I talk with the customer "AGAIN" and tell him "if you want 6 foot lumber, cut the logs to 12½-13 feet and once they are sawn you can cut the boards in half".
I just hate cutting short logs.
Mills that take cut to length logs have always had a problem with logs that were not bucked correctly. Seems simple, but it must not be.
I all so had one 10'2" No trim so I paid him for a 8'.
Some loggers can cut a tree and get nice straight logs out of it with 6" of trim . And some can't see where to cut it so you get bananas and no trim. :D :D
But to be fair, When you cut 1000s of logs. Some just don't come out right. ;D
I tried getting 16 footers but he didn't have any only other thing he had were 14'ers and I wasn't gonna pay for an extra 6 foot of log.
Some loggers I've bought from give 8-10" of trim. I like that alot.
It is simple! Measure, Cut!
On these ones that I got, one side is 8' and they cut it sideways to so that it's down to 7'10"
Usually both sides are close to parallel, but if you get one where they cut it sideways oppositely then you get 8' on one plane and 7'8" or so on the other!
The logger told me that he'd buy the lumber I sawed out of it, then come back and give me some different 8' logs that are bucked 8'6"
I don't sell 14' lumber, Not much call for it. What's real handy I will call for a load and the logger want's to know what lengths I need. Or he will be going to a small lot like this one And I buy all of it.
The thing that some loggers like, I pay the same for a 16' or 8' if the grade is there.
Some mills don't want 10' or 8' logs, If they do, they don't pay much for them.
I would have a specification that the logs be well manufactured. Meaning, cut to standard lengths with trim, cut the knots flush, cut the stump shot off etc. It's not the mills responsibility to deal with the junk that comes off of a logging job.
I usually ask my customers to cut the logs 6" longer than the desired log length!
Quote from: Dave Shepard on March 15, 2015, 11:15:55 AM
I would have a specification that the logs be well manufactured. Meaning, cut to standard lengths with trim, cut the knots flush, cut the stump shot off etc. It's not the mills responsibility to deal with the junk that comes off of a logging job.
In a perfect world, I'd say yes, But you can't help sometimes what the [Trucker] puts on .
It's part of the Game. :D :D :D I don't pay for junk logs. ;D
No, but who wants to deal with the junk even if you don't pay for it?
Imagine it is the same (or similar) dilemma that the trucker loading your logs goes through... what to do with the 'junk' still laying on the ground. Not hard to figure out what to do with the good logs, but it is for the poor quality.
One can see the mind set that gets them on the truck going with the good ones.
If you keep all the junk to the side I guess you could send it for pulp at least, it'd be better if the logger just set em off to the side and sent em for pulp though.
In my opinion, it's the logger's responsibility to deal with them if they are also marketing the logs. Big mills and brokers won't tolerate this game. They all have a "well manufactured" clause. If there is no pulp market, then the logger and the homeowner have to decide what to do with them.
As a small mill, Peter may have to bite his tongue on this issue. I would do as he is doing regarding culling and scaling back, but show the deductions on a scale ticket, and ask that the culls be back hauled on the next load. I think with a little education, the loggers will start doing a better job of manufacturing. If they are selling to a big mill, they should already know how.
Quote from: Dave Shepard on March 15, 2015, 03:44:10 PM
In my opinion, it's the logger's responsibility to deal with them if they are also marketing the logs. Big mills and brokers won't tolerate this game. They all have a "well manufactured" clause. If there is no pulp market, then the logger and the homeowner have to decide what to do with them.
As a small mill, Peter may have to bite his tongue on this issue. I would do as he is doing regarding culling and scaling back, but show the deductions on a scale ticket, and ask that the culls be back hauled on the next load. I think with a little education, the loggers will start doing a better job of manufacturing. If they are selling to a big mill, they should already know how.
It's not as bad as you think. I got one junk log all winter. And 2 short log 7'11" will come in handy when I need some blocking. :D :D
Anyway, I can put all that in the Morbark and sell the chips. With a small job 10,000 BF. The logger gave the pulp to the trucker. I think one load and he will bring it to the pulp mill.
I do keep a clean yard. And the only thing I bite is the wife. :D :D :D :D ;D
I game from the Old School. I had a teacher that was born in 1923,my Father!! Logs had to have the trim,6 inches and had to have 8,0,2,4,6 marked on the small end. Logs did not have the knot sticking pass the bark. Even cut into the bark was better. Log was cut for the best straightness,I guess that's a word. No pushing the grade for rot either. Buy logs from us,you was buying good logs. My Dad made sure of it.
I like that^ one guy i worked for in the woods had us do same thing. He would rather have us spend a little more time trimming logs
Of course I do not buy logs, but I do poke fun at the customer's logs.
Occasionally I will jab the customer with; "if you had taken one step closer to the log, you would have gotten the limb sawed off". They laugh and grab the saw.
I will also tell them to hook that log back to their tractor and drag it around the barn again; "I think they left some dirt back there somewhere".
It's all in a days work. Live and laugh. :)
What I don't like is the butt flare. I ask the loggers. Your right there cutting the tree down, Can you trim the end up some. The looks I get. :D :D
Do you other sawyer trim the log before it goes on the mill?
I mentioned that a couple of weeks ago in a thread about jump butting. If I need to shorten a butt log, it will almost always be from the butt end. LINK (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php/topic,81580.msg1242836.html#msg1242836)
I meant the flair is so bad the log won't roll.
Cut the sides off the end of the butt log. customsawyer has a vid where he trims the log on the mill.
This log is trimmed down to 36". I don't know what it was before. I think I had one that was 46" before trimming. On smaller stuff, I don't trim if it will fit between the guides with no problem.
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Thanks for the pic Dave. That's what I meant.
I just think the log fits better on the truck and mill and I don't have to pick up all the little pieces. They don't chip well.
You would like buying logs from bill m. I should get a pic of the ash firewood logs he is cutting. They are all trimmed up perfectly. 8)
Maybe Billm learned from my teacher too. And we cut ALL of the stumps mighty low. And than some. I can remember kinda digging the dirt away from most of the trees we cut. But my Father came from the day of rolling logs with a peavey too.
Got the customers logs cut, And he wants the slabs too . So I banded them up for him.
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Then one guy came. Will you cut my one 10' spruce log? Yep, :D :D :D 8) 8) 8)
I had him back up to John. Tide the log to John and he drove away. :D :D
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That's how ya do it!!
I needed a popple log awhile back went over seen a local gyppo logger and he loaded me up two popple logs with the skidder...took a little bit but we got her done!
Good way to bend a tailgate too. :-\ No matter 'cause his rear end is a different color anyway. ;D
Quote from: Magicman on March 19, 2015, 08:41:12 PM
Good way to bend a tailgate too. :-\ No matter 'cause his rear end is a different color anyway. ;D
Yeah, the truck was a wreck. :D
That's funny. :D
GITTNERDONE!!!!!!!!!! :D
And the white flag on white log. :D
Maybe he was signaling a surrender? :D
Looks like an old pair of underwear :D.
I was too busy looking at the tailgate to see the drawers. :o
Maybe his new tailgate will be red :D.
More happy customers today. With the snow going the ph is a ringing.
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Good to hear. Did you catch what make trailer that is?
Quote from: 4x4American on March 21, 2015, 07:46:00 PM
Good to hear. Did you catch what make trailer that is?
No,
1770 bf of WRC today. Customer was happy and so was my wallet! Except he didn't buy my mill like he was supposed to.
Looks like featherlight trailer from here but I've been wrong before.
Quote from: thechknhwk on March 21, 2015, 10:21:09 PM
1770 bf of WRC today. Customer was happy and so was my wallet! Except he didn't buy my mill like he was supposed to.
Are you looking to buy a new mill?
I want to get an older mill and some auxillary equipment with the capital from my relatively new lt35. Although the unknown is scary with used equipment and the 35 has been so trustworthy.
Had a chance to see a 40 supper work today, A new one in my yard,
Ross called and wanted to come here and show a young man how to use it. smiley_beertoast
We are a big fan of Wood Mizer, YES. :D :D :D :D
So I got a 8' log with sweep. :D :D I told Ross I was going to get one 20' and crooked as a dog's tail. :D :D Was raining, but stoped for the men to play with the mill. ;D
What a nice mill for a young man.
I do what I can for Ross and Wood Mizer.
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Ross shows him around the mill.
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That boys and girls is a 36 Horse Yanmar.
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And It has the new support bearing too.
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Ross tailing. :D :D 8) 8)
My new mill has the same engine with the new support bearing. So far I love the new Yanmar, but I've already had the support bearing and drive belt off to replace the alternator belt at 0.2 hours. Sure seemed like a lot of work just for an alternator belt. Looks like Wood-Mizer would have designed the alternator belt to run outside of the drive belt.
That's one sweet looking mill !
And one nice set up mill yard !
Big Jim/Bruno
Big thanks to Peter for having me smiley_beertoast and taking the pictures because I wasn't really thinking about taking pictures! :D
That must have been some trip. I know there is no straight route across VT and NH. :D
It was a nice drive, except for on the way there, stuck behind slow drivers going 5-10 mph under the speed limit was vexing, especially when there was a sawmill waiting for me. And my brake controller in pickup must be bad cause had no trailer brakes the whole ride back!
I didn't know it was coming from Maine WM.
Makes me want to get some buffing compound and try and get some of my orange to shine through. :D
Glad you made it home. 8) 8)
Now you want to come back and stick the lumber you cut. :D
Darn! Yea I'm on my way back, when you wake up tomorrow it'll all be stickered on John's forks. If you hear any noises coming from back there, look before you choot! :D
I wondered if it was 4x4 with the new mill .
I was right !
Almost forgot, welcome to Team Orange. :)
I even surprised Peter. I didn't tell him it was me until I got there :D
Thanks, Dave, makes me feel warm and fuzzy ;D
I see that the profile has changed. smiley_thumbsup Congratulations on the new Orange, and thanks to Peter for being the host.
My, you guys could keep the Easter Bunny a secret. :-X
Quote from: Dave Shepard on April 10, 2015, 09:09:11 PM
I know there is no straight route across VT and NH. :D
I went to pick up my (used) Lucas in Plattsburgh, NY from eastern Maine two years ago. It's a beautiful drive, including a ferry ride, but a straight route was NOT part of the trip. :D
Congrats on the mill, 4x4!
At least you didn't have to wait 14 years like I did. :D
Thanks fellas... 8)
Dave I've been waiting for one since 1980! Thats a long time cornsidering I wasn't even conceived yet :D
You will find that the wait was worth it. 8)
Lots to learn. Looking forward to it :)
That's a lot of mill. 8) 8)
I am curious about the control panel/box. I am assuming that it is Command Control and not stationary on the hitch end and can be moved?
Quote from: Magicman on April 10, 2015, 10:10:07 PM
I am curious about the control panel/box. I am assuming that it is Command Control and not stationary on the hitch end and can be moved?
Just swings to one side and go.
Nice! You are going to love that mill, 4x4! Is it a Super?
congrats 4X4 and welcome to team Orange. May take a few days to wear that RED rust off your hands though!
:D
Congrats on the new mill!!!! That Peter sure is a helpful guy.
4x4 did you go I-89 to Peters ?
If so you went right by my place exit 13 Grantham NH
Thanks everyone! Sure was busy today..
Bruno- I mainly took Rt 11. I was on some real rough roads for a spell and I noticed the sawhead slapping back and forth, but now I know that I can engage the auto clutch to keep it tight.
I did get on I89 for one exit 12-11.
Barbender, yes it's a super ;) fixing to put my offbearers to work
MM- it is stationary or remote as they call it. it's pinned to the receiver hitch end side, just spin it around, pin it, and ready to rock. I stay at the end of the mill and the sawhead rides through the log.
Looks like a neat setup and with the hydraulic controls at your fingertips. 8)
Quote from: 4x4American on April 11, 2015, 09:45:19 PM
I noticed the sawhead slapping back and forth, but now I know that I can engage the auto clutch to keep it tight.
I can't believe Ross did not tell you to that with the head. ::) Or he did, And you where smiling to much to listen. :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
So now you have to cut out a mill shed. ;D
Lumber going out :D :D :D :D :D
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It's good to see you sawing Peter. Looks like you are drying out too.
That's a good load where's she off to?
Quote from: Magicman on April 27, 2015, 09:16:37 PM
It's good to see you sawing Peter. Looks like you are drying out too.
Yes the snow is gone and It is getting warmer too. The phone is ringing off the hook.
That was the 3# wack of lumber today. The other two were not quite as much.
Things are getting crazy, But it about time, A very long winter. 8) 8) 8) 8)
Quote from: 4x4American on April 27, 2015, 09:21:14 PM
That's a good load where's she off to?
The next town over for a barn.
Yup, it took me a while to get the initial flurry of jobs that had built up, knocked down.
Better get them blades all sharped!
Quote from: 4x4American on April 27, 2015, 09:59:50 PM
Better get them blades all sharped!
I could if you stop calling me. :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D ;)
I for one are glad to see pics of your place without snow. :)
Quote from: POSTONLT40HD on April 27, 2015, 10:11:33 PM
I for one are glad to see pics of your place without snow. :)
Me too :D :D :D :D :D :D
:D :D :D Hey now you didn't have ta return my call!
I still have a pile of snow in my yard but it's getting shorter every day.
I had a customer call me today and wanted a lot of 2by red oak planks for a low bed.
It is stripped and he wants it yesterday.
I told him I could start it tomorrow, and he asked if he could pick it up Wednesday. I said yes, next Wednesday. He didn't like that idea.
He's moving on and getting it from someone else.
I felt like telling him "lack of planing on your part, doesn't make it an emergency on my part".....
Jim Rogers
I bet he calls you back Jim. But you're right, His emergency is not yours. :D :D :D
I get customers try it with me too, I bet we all do.
Big time. It is crazy to me how poorly some people plan these sort of projects in advance. Wouldn't you think that if you're taking the decking off, you might should have the new lumber ready to put on?
Quote from: 4x4American on April 27, 2015, 10:46:24 PM
Big time. It is crazy to me how poorly some people plan these sort of projects in advance. Wouldn't you think that if you're taking the decking off, you might should have the new lumber ready to put on?
smiley_thumbsup
It's not just the lumber business either. I have people walk into the hardware store just about every day wanting something today. I can understand the plumbing jobs that gets worse as the "repair" job goes on. ;D We are only a small store, not a store that has a roof an acre in size on top.
the six pee's
proper planning prevents p*&}{ poor performance
happens every day here at the shop, the guys in the field don't need something until they go to put it in.
then all wonder where it is, then make it an emergency to get it on site because it is so important, and holding up the entire job.
Normally I have some leftover timbers in the stack that I can go and get and put back on the mill and slice off one or two pieces to satisfy the "I need it now" customer.
I searched my piles and found one timber that would only make two pieces of the 12 he needed.
So that really didn't help.
I have another customer who ordered some 2x10 white oak planks for sill stock for a timber frame cabin he's going to build.
I cut up one 16' long log to make pieces for it.
The cabin is 18' x 25' and he needs 86 lineal feet of 2x10's as I figure it.
I got four 2x10x16 out of this log and two 8' pieces. I'm only 6 lineal feet short of the 86 needed.
Now he says he doesn't want to piece together short pieces as he has to drill holes into a stone foundation to secure the sill stock to the rocks. And he doesn't want to drill a lot of extra holes due to short pieces.
I've asked him what lengths does he expect to get from me.
I haven't heard back from him yet.
If he's going to reject these pieces due to them not being the exact lengths he wants I could have sold them to this "need it yesterday" guy.
You can't seem to win some days.
Jim Rogers
Quote from: Jim_Rogers on April 28, 2015, 09:38:32 AM
I have another customer who ordered some 2x10 white oak planks for sill stock for a timber frame cabin he's going to build.
I cut up one 16' long log to make pieces for it.
The cabin is 18' x 25' and he needs 86 lineal feet of 2x10's as I figure it.
I got four 2x10x16 out of this log and two 8' pieces. I'm only 6 lineal feet short of the 86 needed.
Now he says he doesn't want to piece together short pieces as he has to drill holes into a stone foundation to secure the sill stock to the rocks. And he doesn't want to drill a lot of extra holes due to short pieces.
I've asked him what lengths does he expect to get from me.
I haven't heard back from him yet.
Jim Rogers
So, this beginner timber framer just emailed me that he expects me to supply him with two pieces 18' long and two pieces 25' long for his sills for his cabin.
We'll have to see if he'll accept the "real life" deals.
Jim Rogers
I'll bet something like, "pay in full before I open a log".
Quote from: Magicman on April 28, 2015, 02:07:05 PM
I'll bet something like, "pay in full before I open a log".
In my area it is very hard to find tall straight white oak logs that will make 16' lengths. I can't even imagine a log that would make 2x10's 25' long. That would be huge at the butt end.
Hopefully he'll agree to take these and take two more 9' pieces to finish off his order.
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Jim Rogers
Not that I'll catch up to Peter, but I got a load and a half of logs today. :D Please excuse the slab pile disarray. It was a long winter, and sometimes the slabs didn't want to come out of the snowbank in an orderly fashion. :D
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That looks like some nice wood. 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
Some nice stuff, and some firewood. A friend had about a dozen trees taken down in front of his garage. We burned the tops, and he had to truck the logs away. I helped buck the logs to get what I wanted out of them, he paid trucking. 8)
Thats a deal I wouldn 't refuse!
Another way to move the wood, A customer sent a truck the get some lumber and slabs.
Over the top. :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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It works :D :D :D
Good job. How many tries did it take to get that slab chain centered? :D
Quote from: Magicman on May 07, 2015, 09:13:45 AM
Good job. How many tries did it take to get that slab chain centered? :D
The first time, ;D
Had some very valuable walnut come in today
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A little sappy, there, Partner.
Quote from: WDH on May 07, 2015, 08:41:22 PM
A little sappy, there, Partner.
Yes it is , But the customer want's it cut and at $75.00 an hr I don't care. Cut into 1" and ½"
There you go Peter, that is my standard answer. No matter what they want or what they are gonna do with it. Saw it and get paid. ;D
Sawed this out of an american elm log with a crotch in it, was previously going to go for firewood until I rescued it. Not sure what to do about that split
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If it was me I would use a needle and inject it with some real good wood glue and clamp it up real good...
That crack would go away...
Use a dutchman or butterfly on it.
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This past winter was rough on the sawmill, and I finally broke down and bought a new battery.
That made starting each morning easier that I didn't have do drag out the battery charger any more.
In testing the system I found that not only was the battery old and not holding a charge very well but the alternator was not putting out enough.
So, out with the old and in with the rebuilt:
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After swapping the pulleys:
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She starts nice and puts out lots of juice now.
All in the day of cutting wood.
Jim Rogers
Good job Jim, And yes the winter was bad. Is your yard drying up?
Yes fairly dry now.
Jim Rogers
Second day sawing this spring.
Powder dry at my mill and dust everywhere.
Got 6mbf Hemlock in so far expecting 6mbf tomorrow and 13mbf in the next week.
All scale is Doyle.
Should keep me busy for quite a while as my help while great when here is working another job so I only saw 8' and 10' while alone..
http://www.facebook.com/741356707/videos/10153172270816708/
I read all these post about cutting thousands of feet of lumber per day. Today I cut down 7 pines that were dead or dying from beetles. I bucked them and hauled them to the mill. And late this afternoon I only managed to cut 6 or 7 logs. Then I wanted to get it all stacked before dark. Working by myself seems to take a lot more time than I thought it would. What is a realistic BF/hour for someone cutting with a LT40 hydraulic.
theres never enough time
Quote from: 4x4American on May 08, 2015, 10:23:30 PM
http://www.facebook.com/741356707/videos/10153172270816708/
You know that kid?
Quote from: flatrock58 on May 08, 2015, 11:03:17 PM
I read all these post about cutting thousands of feet of lumber per day. Today I cut down 7 pines that were dead or dying from beetles. I bucked them and hauled them to the mill. And late this afternoon I only managed to cut 6 or 7 logs. Then I wanted to get it all stacked before dark. Working by myself seems to take a lot more time than I thought it would. What is a realistic BF/hour for someone cutting with a LT40 hydraulic?
Not an enormous amount of lumber in a day, but last Sat & Sun I sawed 3,300+ bf of W/Pine with 10.6 hours showing on the hour meter.
That comes out to 330 bf/hour.
I had two good helpers on the other side of the mill.
flatrock58,I think the numbers you are seeing are logs at the sawmill,NOT still in the woods waiting to be cut down AND then hauled out to the sawmill. I do that,go out in the woods to get my logs. It is some slow but very satisfying. It's a good thing I don't do it for money.
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Quote from: 4x4American on May 08, 2015, 10:23:30 PM
http://www.facebook.com/741356707/videos/10153172270816708/ (http://www.facebook.com/741356707/videos/10153172270816708/)
You know that kid?
No do you?
thecfarm. I read back over my post and it was clear as mud, sorry about that. I tend to ramble and not make my point well. I am an engineer and my wife says I should stick with numbers.
I realize the large bf/hour numbers are people who are cutting logs at the sawmill with helpers. I wanted to know what the guys cutting logs by themselves with a hydraulic mill cut per hour.
With help, I have had many 150-175bf per hour days, but the 250-350bf per hour days are certainly much better. $$$
The only time that I saw without help is for myself, and that does not pay very well anyway.
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Sawing alone, this lumber got whack stacked.
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And then after I got a Grandson to help, it got stickered.
I understood your question, and I have never scaled a day's (or hour's) sawing when sawing alone. After thinking a bit, the actual sawing would be about the same with or without help because it does not take an appreciable amount of time to kick a slab off. The slowdown comes in when handling flitches and lumber as shown above. I speeded up the sawing time by whack stacking, so again, how is sawing time and yield affected when sawing alone? It depends upon what the sawing job is. The hours saved by help is simply added to your sawing time.
Since I am not an engineer, I tend to think simply and I am content to accept what it is as what it is. :)
Thanks Magicman. Having a grandson to help is a definite plus. I guess I need to just whack stack and not handle the lumber so much. At then end of the day I look at what I have gotten done and it is always less than I had planned or expected. After cutting dead pine beetle trees I am finally getting to cut some that are full of beetles but not yet dead.
The Sticker Police will be paying you a visit :D.
It won't do any good because that lumber is now a Cabin Addition. :)
sawing time is never the issue, it always boils down to material handling, lot of time can be burnt in the process. I saw solo most everyday, time in the log is short in comparison to moving the boards, cants and flitches. then there is there is the dust pile. So if the quality is there in the lumber just keep on keeping on, and if you need to pick up the material handling pace, well there really is no other way than to recruit some extra hands.
Quote from: Magicman on May 09, 2015, 09:38:41 PM
It won't do any good because that lumber is now a Cabin Addition. :)
Here, photos constitute evidence. ::)
Did some sunday shopping at the wal mart today :D Picked up some discount logs! That's a 6 log load, had another smaller load after it. About 1,825 bdft for $250 from a tree service from a "lot clearing" job. No nails....we'll see! Coffee breaks over time to go saw em up.
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Looks like a nice load of W/Pine. smiley_thumbsup smiley_thumbsup
Quote from: 4x4American on May 10, 2015, 11:11:43 AM
No nails....we'll see!
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Oh no, Sir, there are no nails in that tree.........Famous last words (Old Saying).
If you tell me that there are absolutely no nails in that tree, I will not trust you with my daughter :D.
Quote from: WDH on May 10, 2015, 11:49:56 AM
Quote from: 4x4American on May 10, 2015, 11:11:43 AM
No nails....we'll see!
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Oh no, Sir, there are no nails in that tree.........Famous last words (Old Saying).
If you tell me that there are absolutely no nails in that tree, I will not trust you with my daughter :D.
:D :D :D
Nice wood 4x4
Quote from: terrifictimbersllc on May 10, 2015, 07:09:45 AM
Quote from: Magicman on May 09, 2015, 09:38:41 PM
It won't do any good because that lumber is now a Cabin Addition. :)
Here, photos constitute evidence. ::)
Where have you been ??? :D Cabin Addition (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php/topic,47709.0.html) Check Reply# 25 and Reply# 29 for those particular pictures. :)
Quote from: WDH on May 10, 2015, 11:49:56 AM
Quote from: 4x4American on May 10, 2015, 11:11:43 AM
No nails....we'll see!
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Oh no, Sir, there are no nails in that tree.........Famous last words (Old Saying).
If you tell me that there are absolutely no nails in that tree, I will not trust you with my daughter :D.
Peter already did it, but I couldn't hep myself. I had to do it again! :D :D :D
I had a helper today. This big pine log...I had to chain it to the forks on the tractor. Cause the cylinders drop so fast the seals are shot I need to repack them...Well anyways they drop so fast, and there's not enough power to pick them back up. Just to get it to curl I had to pick it up, hope it didn't roll, and then lower the forks down on another log while curling back. Then I chained it. Pain right in the catoolum. 12' long
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Looks good, And I like a green tractor. Did you get the bugs all worked out with the mill?
I think so. I am still crossing my fingers, but I think it's good to go. Screwed around with the brake strap adjustment, it was stopping way to fast after I adjusted the belt. Belt was loose. I think I got the brake strap adjustment pretty decent, but when they say that you should be able to just pull up on it, do they mean JUST pull up on it or more of a pretty certain pull up on it?
Quote from: 4x4American on May 11, 2015, 06:39:31 PM
I think I got the brake strap adjustment pretty decent, but when they say that you should be able to just pull up on it, do they mean JUST pull up on it or more of a pretty certain pull up on it?
say_what
Quote from: 4x4American on May 11, 2015, 06:39:31 PM
I think so. I am still crossing my fingers, but I think it's good to go. Screwed around with the brake strap adjustment, it was stopping way to fast after I adjusted the belt. Belt was loose. I think I got the brake strap adjustment pretty decent, but when they say that you should be able to just pull up on it, do they mean JUST pull up on it or more of a pretty certain pull up on it?
For the adjustment go by how fast the blade stops. I think it says how fast this should be in the manual. I would give it two seconds max. Think about whether you want it stopped before your off bearer reaches in over the blade to grab an edging that fell off to the side.
I don't have it right here, it's in the truck, but my manual does say that the band should stop turning within 4 seconds of disengagement.
It's definitely stopping before that. Thanks. I didn't find that part in my manuel.
Had a customer need stickers with his wood. This is how I do it.
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I use dry wood to make them, the lumber won't stain that way. :)
How do you like that bander unit?
Quote from: 4x4American on May 29, 2015, 10:13:28 PM
How do you like that bander unit?
It works well. Any one cutting lumber should have one.
Had a Logger drop off some hardwood logs to be cut into trailer decking.
I ask, Is the truck big enough for the small load :D :D
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It is nice to be able to turn around a truck like that here. ;D
And then a nice load came in today. Customer want's all 1 1/8" as wide as I can get.
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All 16'
Peter,
Good to see you are flat out again 8) 8)
Haven't seen you post much lately figured you were knee deep . :D :D
That's a nice load of wood 8) 8)
Jim/Bruno
Quote from: Bruno of NH on May 30, 2015, 03:39:12 PM
Peter,
Good to see you are flat out again 8) 8)
Haven't seen you post much lately figured you were knee deep . :D :D
That's a nice load of wood 8) 8)
Jim/Bruno
smiley_horserider smiley_chop dancing-jack smiley_wavy :D :D
What's that big beaver hinge on the top log? :D I hate that. I'm tempted to knock those back to the next even foot.
That looks like a nice payday. smiley_thumbsup smiley_thumbsup
Quote from: Magicman on May 30, 2015, 07:15:10 PM
That looks like a nice payday. smiley_thumbsup smiley_thumbsup
When it's not -40 every day is a payday :D :D
Quote from: Dave Shepard on May 30, 2015, 07:06:38 PM
What's that big beaver hinge on the top log? :D I hate that. I'm tempted to knock those back to the next even foot.
I don't like it either, When I cut the customers logs He pays for all of it. :D :D :D
When I buy logs like that I sometimes will take off some BF.
Quote from: Dave Shepard on May 30, 2015, 07:06:38 PM
What's that big beaver hinge on the top log? :D I hate that. I'm tempted to knock those back to the next even foot.
Yet another reason why using a humboldt notch is the best way to cut sawtimber. Take the wedge out of the stump not out of the log. Use a humboldt in front of most any eastern logger, especially if they're an old boy, and they think you're messed up in the head! ???
BTW, for those that were wondering, in the pine logs that I posted a couple pages back, where the guy said there were no nails...well one log had 7 nails and a chain in it 8) 8)
Luckily I found them before I sunk any teeth into it...
Last fall my logger brought in some logs from another "tree cutter" I hauled logs with my truck for this guy many many years ago. What a piece of work he was back then, and still is now.
He wanted me to mill up these logs into 2x4's and other items for some project he was going to do. I told him to call me at the end of the month as I was planning a trip and wanted to do his job right after I got back.
Well, he never called.
After a while I had gotten all the jobs on my list done except his and was preparing to do his next. I called my logger to get his phone number.
My logger said he had called him and canceled the job, and said I could have the logs.
Basically the logger got paid to haul them away, and I got used for a log dump.
That won't happen again, if I can help it.
So these 2x4's he wanted were to be 8' long. But the logger told him not to cut all the logs to 8' long as he wanted to haul a big load of longer ones. So he cut each 16' log part way through.
That was ok until he canceled the job and left me with a pile of logs cut half way through.
Recently, I got an order for some 2x6's 16' long. and some other shorter stuff from a lady with horses and riding stable that needed some fence stock.
I had the logger move some of the 16' logs up to the mill for me and I have sawn them up to fill the fence rail order.
To understand what part of the log was 16' and what part was shorter. I placed my framing square into cut in the log to show me the angle of the cut:
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I did manage to get some usable lumber out of these dead standing pines but most were holey from the bugs.
All in a day of cutting wood.
Jim Rogers
I have not seen that before [cutting a log ½ way through] and truck it .
But you made it work, Good job.
I have a similar job laying and waiting, same thing, just hate the bow that comes from it,
Yup, if it is a log with sweep and the cut is across the "wrong" log face, it could be difficult to recover any usable lumber. :-\
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I'm buying logs from a mechanize logger and I don't have to debark them. :D
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And John went to a new home. :D 8)
Bye bye John. And that money will buy you a a lift to handle logs? I forget what kind now.
Quote from: thecfarm on June 11, 2015, 06:33:54 AM
Bye bye John. And that money will buy you a a lift to handle logs? I forget what kind now.
Maybe, I did clear about 5ac before John went. :D
Very creative with equipment names you are :D
So how did you distinguish between the two Johns?
John and John Jr 8)
I forsee a Lull in your future... :)
I hope to see a Lull in my future ;D
Has anyone done this with small 10" logs ? I had a run on 5' grade stakes had to make more.
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I don't make a lot of money on them, Time wise, it's like making $45 to $50.00 an hour, but it gets customers in here to see what I have for lumber. 8)
I have "sawed double".
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It looked good but it did not work well for me because of the turning.
I tried it once Peter, just because down in the South we have a saying...."Hey Y'all watch this!".
But I found I can saw individual logs faster than trying to saw 2, plus if you hit metal in 1 log, the blade will dive on both logs.
I've tried it a few times with White Cedar logs, just don't like the idea of no debarker for the inside log, but it works.
You da man Petah!
Well the pine beetles finally got one of my largest pines. It is about 32" at the base. Cut it down today. I was amazed at how big the first 5-10 growth rings were compared to the later ones. I will be cutting this one up for framing to make a workshop and solar kiln.
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That wide growth ring portion might give you trouble. You may need to flip it 180° after each board.
Thanks Magicman. I was wondering how it would act. That is the kind of advice I need until I can get more experience.
I was a little disappointed when I cut it. Was really expecting some tight rings throughout and nice lumber.
If you cut wide boards out of the center section that includes the first years of fast growth, and you center the pith from side to side in those boards, the older wood on the outside will make the juvenile wood on the inside behave itself.
I see that you already have some blue stain. Won't hurt the boards. They will be the highly valuable denim pine ;D.
WDH I will try cutting them that way. I had planned on cutting some 17' 2x6's for trusses, but the 17' butt log might be too heavy for me to move. Will try and see.
Quote from: WDH on June 17, 2015, 07:19:17 AM
If you cut wide boards out of the center section that includes the first years of fast growth, and you center the pith from side to side in those boards, the older wood on the outside will make the juvenile wood on the inside behave itself.
I see that you already have some blue stain. Won't hurt the boards. They will be the highly valuable denim pine ;D.
Danny, careful with the "denim pine" reference. I understand some
clown individual out west actually got a copyright on that name. ::) Don't know if it's true or not. :D
Holy cow I would use the denim pine tag until i was sued.
EWP stains really easily and I cut a fair amount of it.
I had a bad day today backing my blade guide into the clamp and destroying the chain and a sprocket on the blade guide.
Ordered parts from WM and plan to do housekeeping around the mill until the parts arrive.
My sawing is on Eastern hemlock which is always a challenge regarding shake.
It seems I get bit every time I buy some.
Haven't been sawing wood, been waiting on the right part to fix my head won't go down problem :)
But I have been keeping busy with firewood, excavation work, and looking for land.
Today we dug up an old drywell that bossman did 28 years ago. Unplugged the holes, put in new #3 stone, installed a filter on the outlet of the septic tank, and then backfilled it. They had us dump the extra slime on sight down back. Get down back, and they guy has a sweet shooting range setup. Even has a shooting shack with a little pulley to open the shooting window. 100 yard target down range. A pistol range with some fun spinner targets and the ones that bounce from side to side. To top it off, he's up high and has an awesome view of the Adirondack Mountains. Then we went up top, where they had an issue with the driveway sinking. So we started digging, and found the old foundation of his house that had burnt down was buried there. He had us looking for a coffee can full of antique coins, to no avail. But I did find an old reload case of .300 Savage that wasn't in bad shape. Seen an old WM sawmill off the road a bit. And enjoyed hauling the mini excavator through some good backroad mountain scenery. The best part is we weren't far from home! Get back to the shop/yard/pit and cut firewood for myself. Today was a good day. smiley_beertoast
I pick up a new chain and bar for my Dolmar saw . I allso bought a small saw to cut slabs.
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I had 5 minutes today to fab a table I'd been thinking about.
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It is a little Mad Max but I think It will work.
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I think I'll attach it where the hitch was. And need to cut a little to get down on the jack.
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Want to come down a ½". I'll put some legs on it Monday and try it.
When I get my parts I can fix the mill too. This is what happens when you don't have the board return all the way down and use it. :D :D
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But I did get the order all cut Friday.
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And a little Iron. :D :D
All in a day cutting wood.
You been busy, and I like da saw. 8)
Table looks good! Like the pictures 8)
New guy Pine and hemlock.
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Nice. 8)
Too hot down here for measuring those smiley_sweat_drop. Last couple of weeks have been rough.
Quote from: WDH on June 22, 2015, 08:10:39 PM
Too hot down here for measuring those smiley_sweat_drop. Last couple of weeks have been rough.
Hot here too, But I'm low on logs and the loggers are back at work. I have a mechanize outfit is going to bring 2 TT loads of hemlock. 16,000 BF more or less.
"You saw a lot of wood, Pilgrim."
Pilgrim sells alot too. ;D
Quote from: WDH on June 23, 2015, 07:15:17 AM
"You saw a lot of wood, Pilgrim."
Yes I do, But sometimes I think I'm nut's. I see you and YH cut 8' hardwood lumber to sell . And you guys don't have to wrestle 16' 2x12s or fight 40' timbers. :D :D :D :D
And maybe cut ½ the wood I do and make 2x the money. :D :D :D
The table works well, And the lumber almost stacks it self. :D :D
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But I still have to work on the edger wood. :D :D :D
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Not quite there, :D :D
Ross called, New LT 40 HD next week will be in the yard. Someone from VT. And they are a member here or read the FF I was told. Will see.
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Quote from: WDH on June 23, 2015, 07:15:17 AM
"You saw a lot of wood, Pilgrim."
Yes I do, But sometimes I think I'm nut's. I see you and YH cut 8' hardwood lumber to sell . And you guys don't have to wrestle 16' 2x12s or fight 40' timbers. :D :D :D :D
And maybe cut ½ the wood I do and make 2x the money. :D :D :D
That's the secret, you are sawing too fast... :D
Do you ever clean up or just let the snow cover it up? :D :D :D
I thought it looked pretty clean :).
Quote from: POSTONLT40HD on June 23, 2015, 09:30:37 PM
Do you ever clean up or just let the snow cover it up? :D :D :D
My yard is clean and looks very professional. ;D
I can second that notion ;)
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Quote from: Peter Drouin on June 23, 2015, 12:37:35 PM
Quote from: WDH on June 23, 2015, 07:15:17 AM
"You saw a lot of wood, Pilgrim."
Yes I do, But sometimes I think I'm nut's. I see you and YH cut 8' hardwood lumber to sell . And you guys don't have to wrestle 16' 2x12s or fight 40' timbers. :D :D :D :D
And maybe cut ½ the wood I do and make 2x the money. :D :D :D
That's the secret, you are sawing too fast... :D
I don't have a clock on the wall. :D :D :D
Quote from: POSTONLT40HD on June 23, 2015, 09:30:37 PM
Do you ever clean up or just let the snow cover it up? :D :D :D
Peter
Da goats chewin on your pantleg.. When I saw the pics, I was going to comment on how clean it looked. ;D
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Quote from: POSTONLT40HD on June 23, 2015, 09:30:37 PM
Do you ever clean up or just let the snow cover it up? :D :D :D
Peter
Da goats chewin on your pantleg.. When I saw the pics, I was going to comment on how clean it looked. ;D
Yeah, I know goats are like that. ;D
Now if only those boards would self sticker,you could really go fast.
Peter, what kind of banding is that? I have been using the orange woven poly kind with buckles, it works great but the 3/4" stuff is really overkill for strength, and it's kind of spendy.
Happy birthday BB. ;D 8) 8) 8) :snowball:
Thank you!
Quote from: barbender on June 24, 2015, 09:21:44 AM
Peter, what kind of banding is that? I have been using the orange woven poly kind with buckles, it works great but the 3/4" stuff is really overkill for strength, and it's kind of spendy.
I get all that stuff from U Line.
It looks you have the green poly. Does it use buckles, or seals?
Seals, the ones with a ruff face on the inside.
I thought seals were going extinct why do they keep using them
;D
Big day Tuesday, New mill here at 9am.
I will take Pics
If the new owner reads this Say hi . 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) ;D
8) Tell them I said copycat! ;D :D
New mills are nice.
Quote from: WDH on June 26, 2015, 07:16:38 AM
New mills are nice.
You still have the 15 listed. Are you waiting for a delivery? ;D
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Quote from: WDH on June 26, 2015, 07:16:38 AM
New mills are nice.
You still have the 15 listed. Are you waiting for a delivery? ;D
I don't think so. He's just having too much fun torturing us. ;)
The "15" shows as "Sold".
I don't think so. He's just having too much fun torturing us. ;)
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Uh... Yes. :D
I may have to come clean before someone has a hissy fit (old saying).
I was gonna ask but then I didn't..
soo
is it orange?
Quote from: WDH on June 26, 2015, 08:13:20 PM
The "15" shows as "Sold".
Not in your signature line, which I think is what Peter was talking about.
Yup, I have been watching it too. The signature says nothing about an LT40 Hydraulic with a Diesel engine. ;D :D
Quote from: Dave Shepard on June 27, 2015, 09:54:04 AM
Quote from: WDH on June 26, 2015, 08:13:20 PM
The "15" shows as "Sold".
Not in your signature line, which I think is what Peter was talking about.
smiley_thumbsup smiley_gossip :D :D :D :D :D :D
Quote from: WDH on June 26, 2015, 09:31:31 PM
I may have to come clean before someone has a hissy fit (old saying).
If you're not careful the goat might fly off the handle.
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Quote from: WDH on June 26, 2015, 09:31:31 PM
I may have to come clean before someone has a hissy fit (old saying).
If you're not careful the goat might fly off the handle.
I might have a "hissy fit". :D :D :D :D :D :D
That must be a sight to see. :o
Quote from: Dave Shepard on June 27, 2015, 06:10:55 PM
That must be a sight to see. :o
Oh, it is! I can't remember the last time I laughed that hard. ;D
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Quote from: Dave Shepard on June 27, 2015, 09:54:04 AM
Quote from: WDH on June 26, 2015, 08:13:20 PM
The "15" shows as "Sold".
Not in your signature line, which I think is what Peter was talking about.
smiley_thumbsup smiley_gossip :D :D :D :D :D :D
It's updated now!
Congratulations on the new mill WDH! 8) 8) You can hang that Arky Super Stick on the wall now. ;)
Quote from: Dave Shepard on June 27, 2015, 08:41:16 PM
You can hang that Arky Super Stick on the wall now. ;)
;D
8) Hopefully you don't have any bugs to work out of it!
Quote from: Magicman on June 27, 2015, 10:31:02 AMThe signature says nothing about an LT40 Hydraulic with a Diesel engine. ;D :D
Oh my, was it a guess, or was it.....Magic. ;D
Good for you WDH. Do you have the walk or ride? When you get it all set up with the edger we would like to see a pic.
In the mean time, Look what I got. 8) 8)
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I GOT HEMLOCK load #1. 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Congrats on the upgrade, Danny. HYDRAULICS gotta love um! You are gonna fill up the shed with sawdust real quick. 8) 8)
Nice load Peter. I know you were smiling. 8)
Peter, the LOG MAGNET.
OK. A pic with the set-up soon.
Congratulations WDH - thinking that with the hydraulics and diesel power - it's going to be a whole new (milling) world!
5100.0 BF on the truck, One log 20' long did not look good, so I cut it in ½. :D :D
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Today I hit a pitch pocket in a W Pine. Do you guys get that in the south and in the west with your Pine?
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Yes, I do sometimes hit pitch pockets with SYP and even ERC.
Tell WDH its Persimmon.....you'll get rid of it quick Peter. :D
Quote from: POSTONLT40HD on June 29, 2015, 08:52:53 PM
Tell WDH its Persimmon.....you'll get rid of it quick Peter. :D
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Just dead stack it for a week or two and let it turn black. ;D
OK, Pine Man with an occasional hemlock thrown in (but it has shake) :D.
Quote from: WDH on June 29, 2015, 09:27:54 PM
OK, Pine Man with an occasional hemlock thrown in (but it has shake) :D.
Don't forget my cherry. ;D
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No shake just a little Iorn. ;D ;D
You touched Danny in a tender (Cherry) spot then. :D
New mill came in today,
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A nice man I met from VT, Has plans to saw a lot of wood. 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
Looks like it's one pump short of a super! Did you remind Ross to tell him to engage the autoclutch for his ride home :D
Quote from: 4x4American on June 30, 2015, 05:58:38 PM
Looks like it's one pump short of a super! Did you remind Ross to tell him to engage the autoclutch for his ride home :D
Supposed to engage the clutch during travel?
Thats really nice Peter. I have forgotten how BRIGHT ORANGE a new mill is.
Will you be adding 2 additional log stops or do you just use 2 ?
Aga :)in, Congrats!
Quote from: thechknhwk on June 30, 2015, 06:01:11 PM
Quote from: 4x4American on June 30, 2015, 05:58:38 PM
Looks like it's one pump short of a super! Did you remind Ross to tell him to engage the autoclutch for his ride home :D
Supposed to engage the clutch during travel?
Yup. I didn't know that either when I picked up my mill at Peters...I was watching the head slap back and forth in the rearview doing some backroad banging on the way home. Then I was informed, you're supposed to engage the autoclutch :D Just don't forget to engage it when you get where you're going.
Quote from: POSTONLT40HD on June 30, 2015, 06:02:32 PM
Thats really nice Peter. I have forgotten how BRIGHT ORANGE a new mill is.
Will you be adding 2 additional log stops or do you just use 2 ?
Aga :)in, Congrats!
Taint Petahs mill, ya silly goat!
Shore is purdy. :)
No 4x4 I did not I had customers here at the time.
Mr goat the mill went to VT, I just gave Ross a place to train the new owner. :D :D
I didn't realize that I could have trained at your place.
Sshhh WDH he's gonna start charging soon!
Quote from: WDH on June 30, 2015, 08:25:10 PM
I didn't realize that I could have trained at your place.
We still have no photographic evidence of your new mill. ;) :D
We all thought you got a new mill.
Its not nice to get all our Goats. >:(
Danny is still KING of the new mills! :)
Dave,
I have cut the mustard (old saying, sort of).
https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php/topic,84273.msg1287857.html#msg1287857
Quote from: POSTONLT40HD on June 30, 2015, 09:21:28 PM
We all thought you got a new mill.
Its not nice to get all our Goats. >:(
Danny is still KING of the new mills! :)
IF I get a new mill It will be the new 70 WIDE HEAD HD :D
With wireless? It's easy better than a seat. ;)
Quote from: WDH on June 30, 2015, 09:46:05 PM
Dave,
I have cut the mustard (old saying, sort of).
https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php/topic,84273.msg1287857.html#msg1287857
I hadn't seen this. Great setup you have Danny. I like the paint job on the kiln!
A customer gave me an edging blade 30". The one in my WM edger is 14".
With 30" that must of been some edger. :o
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And yes, it is very sharp like a new one with rust. :D :D
That is neat. You gonna paint a sign on it or something?
Quote from: thechknhwk on June 30, 2015, 06:01:11 PM
Quote from: 4x4American on June 30, 2015, 05:58:38 PM
Looks like it's one pump short of a super! Did you remind Ross to tell him to engage the autoclutch for his ride home :D
Supposed to engage the clutch during travel?
I don't know about the Super's, but for the Regular Hydraulic and the Manual LT-40's, it is recommended that the clutch/brake lever be pulled to the run position when in transit.
This takes the weight off of the brake and prevents the engine from flopping up and down, which can lead to the brake breaking!
Thanks Chuck, mine has the auto clutch. I guess I'll flip the switch from now on. ;D
Trucks today.
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One to get chips
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So I'm guessing that lowboy brought that loader?
8)
Quote from: 4x4American on July 15, 2015, 07:21:04 PM
So I'm guessing that lowboy brought that loader?
8)
Yes, To get 6 or 700 yards. Not much, but some $$$ ;D
How you doing with your mill? Did you break it yet ? :D :D :D :D
Do you have a lot of work?
I'm buying logs from two mechanize outfits now. They're a little ruff on the logs, but they get me wood and a lot of it.
Ahh ICIC. Yea alot of times a if a local company is hauling alot, they'll bring their loader to our pit to load their trucks.
Mill is going good. Making some money with it. It's been a bit self destructive but we're on the right track now. I have quite a bit of work lined up but not enough time! I have a portable job coming up in Dannamora, which is the town where those prisoners escaped from the jail there. About a 2.25hr haul for me. Gonna bring a tent. Thats in the last weekend of July the guy thinks he'll be ready. Got a guy with whole mess of black locust for me to saw. As soon as he gets a dozer in and levels out a spot for me and stages the logs. This guy is a firewood guy, and has a hard time telling the difference between sawlog and firewood. Got a few other portable jobs and have been selling retail building lumber to local folks. Working to get setup better so I can make this a full time venture. We've been so busy at work I've not had any days off for milling and been working 10-12hr days for them then coming back and trying to do stuff with the mill. Speaking of which I gotta get to bed! smiley_wavy
Good you are busy, Make money now snow is on the way. :D :D :D
I had a traffic jam today, :D
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Then the logger came too.
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A 100 yards of chips go and 6000 BF of wood comes. See the logger over the red truck cab :D :D
A good day sold a few hundred yards of chips and lumber, And got some nice logs.
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And some 20' logs.
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With a mechanize logger you don't need a debarker. :D :D :D
I wonder how the guy from VT is going with his mill.
I had to put some ATF on the shaft so the blade would slide easily. Have to do that from time to time.
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Well, I'm going out to scale some logs now, :D :D :D ;D Will talk to you later 4x4. ;D
Peter you are flat out !
The logs look like they are good quality ?
How's the retail sales going ?
I'm going to get some birds eye maple logs from my BIL when I get time to pick them up .
Jim/Bruno
You better get cracking (old saying) Mr. Pine Man.
The mechanized loggers sure do a number on the bark. I have a friend with a stroke de-limber on his lineup of equipment. That thing really tears the hell outta the logs! Looks like you're going going going! Good to see! Keep that saw in the wood!
Quote from: Bruno of NH on July 16, 2015, 07:40:12 PM
Peter you are flat out !
The logs look like they are good quality ?
How's the retail sales going ?
I'm going to get some birds eye maple logs from my BIL when I get time to pick them up .
Jim/Bruno
I'm selling lumber but we like to sell more. ;D
Quote from: WDH on July 16, 2015, 08:55:01 PM
You better get cracking (old saying) Mr. Pine Man.
A TT load of W Pine tomorrow. :D
Quote from: 4x4American on July 16, 2015, 10:10:13 PM
The mechanized loggers sure do a number on the bark. I have a friend with a stroke de-limber on his lineup of equipment. That thing really tears the hell outta the logs! Looks like you're going going going! Good to see! Keep that saw in the wood!
Yes, there are ruff, But if you want wood they can get it in a day or two.
I was talking to the driver today. And he said the cutter [Tiger Cat ] can cut for one day and keep two big Cat grapple skidders going for a week. :o
yea, no kidding either! the mechanized outfits sure can cut alot of wood, but they also need to be sending out alot of loads daily to be breaking even (in alot of cases)...whereas Just a guy with a skidder can cut a load a week and be paying his bills
Resizing some beams today
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7x9 down to 5x8 16' 12' 10's
I enjoy seeing pictures of your operation Peter. Very professional.
That shed is looking good.
I take it that those were the ones that showed up on a trailer while you were away, and you didn't know who brought them or why they were there.
Jim Rogers
Quote from: Jim_Rogers on August 04, 2015, 09:49:05 AM
I take it that those were the ones that showed up on a trailer while you were away, and you didn't know who brought them or why they were there.
Jim Rogers
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l follow this thread and am very envious of you all and having saw mills of different shapes sizes and colors, l would love for the day to come soon enough that l can buy my first mill and saw all my own lumber for sheds another barn and eventually a new house for me and the bride to be. All of which would come off of woodlot my family and l own and do as some of u and make a small living off of it as well. Along with the many other ventures it's going to take to keep things going when l finally get the courage to tell off "The Man" :D and become self employed. But for now l'm content (l suppose) :-\ seeing the pics of your mills, lumber, new sheds and buildings as well as the stories.
Had a first today. Set up a half log to saw up into 2x4's and on the first cut about 18" in, BAMB! Yep, first blade that busted on me. Yes, I jumped a little, but was quick to see what had happen. ;D
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Got my $13.50 out of that blade. 150 something 2x4'sx10', a few 26"x2"x10 slabs and a bunch on 1"x10'. When I had shut down Tuesday, I knew the blade was getting dull, but was still cutting.
The crack thru the blade was a fracture across.
Anyway, thru on a new blade, sawed that log up, stacked and stickered.
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Cut a little white oak log this morning to try the mill out. 10" x12" x38'-4".
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how big was that tree to begin with?
that is one long beam.
that mill would look like a stretch limo driving down the road :D :D
Now that is one heck of a beam.
Quote from: Tom L on August 06, 2015, 01:35:09 PM
how big was that tree to begin with?
that is one long beam.
that mill would look like a stretch limo driving down the road :D :D
This big:
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Looks like you had to walk over to the next parish just to take that picture. ;D
`Fishfighter
I like your set up. Blade break makes me jump too. :D :D
Dave S
Nice to have a straight tree to start with.
I tell the customer the straighter the tree . The smaller the top. ;D
I like that beam, Dave. ;)
Fishfighter, dull blades will shorten blade life. :-\
I've got three more logs on deck for in the morning. ;)
Dave,
That rascal looks pretty clear, too. Nice!
The first 25 or 30 feet are spotless. Hard to salvage side lumber from from wo. The cant moves so much you can't get boards of a consistent thickness, and you have to take a lot of thin cuts to get a straight timber.
well tell the cant to stop moving then!
White oak is the Chuck Norris of trees. You don't tell it what to do. It tells you what to do. :D
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White oak might be Chuck Norris but hickory is still the devil, been fighting these self destructing things the last while, nothing like watching a beautiful butt log turn into split firewood before your eyes.
I hate it when that happens.
Yeah yesterday didn't go so well, as if the hickory wasn't aggravating enough I had to run into a couple logs full of nails.
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Think I broke my personal best sawed thru 15 nails on this cut. >:(
Thankfully today went much better.
It does not get any worse than hickory with nails :).
The fact that you were able to make it through 15 nails without the blade diving is a miracle in itself.
I know one thing. Fresh fell oak, sawed 2x8x14' are very heavy to off load, stack and sticker. I think I will just fell enough oak trees, stack them for a couple weeks to dry somewhat. Besides the 100F temp didn't help at all.
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ff
Hate to tell ya, but they won't change much weight in a couple weeks. Just as well saw 'em up.
beenthere,
I just finished sawing 2k bf of 2 year old red oak.Still wet,still heavy.
Now I'm sawing white cedar and feel much younger.
Mick
Quote from: beenthere on August 07, 2015, 07:29:38 PM
ff
Hate to tell ya, but they won't change much weight in a couple weeks. Just as well saw 'em up.
Knew that, but just trying to talk myself out of sawing anything in this heat. ;D
Firewood cutting tomorrow. I have oak tops down everywhere and hate to see them go to waste. At $240 a cord of oak, it's a go.
note to self: raise price on wo firewood.
Quote from: YoungStump on August 06, 2015, 09:36:43 PM
Yeah yesterday didn't go so well, as if the hickory wasn't aggravating enough I had to run into a couple logs full of nails....
sometimes yer da windshield, sometimes yer da bug.
Ross teases me with a wide head :D
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Nice day in VT 8)
Guard here too ;D
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Looks like it was a fun day,,
Oh boy I bet you could hardly resist the temptation of bringing that wide head home to replace your super!
Looks like a good day in the NEK
Fair days are fun days. I believe that Ross is just showing off. ;D
Will see If I can get a deal on the 15 wide head at the last fair. ;D
I was sharpening some new blades and found some turbos in a box of reg. 7
I put red ink on them so I can see if I have the CBN wheel set right.
But I found that my CBM did not go to the bottom of the gullet.
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Can you see the red at the bottom?
Turbos are deeper. They will be Reg 7s when I am done in 4 or 5 sharpening. :D :D
You prefer regular 7 over the Turbo 7? I really like the deep gullet on the Turbo. I just ordered a box of .055 Turbo's for my mill. We run .045 at work, but I like .055 better.
Quote from: Dave Shepard on October 24, 2015, 07:41:52 AM
You prefer regular 7 over the Turbo 7? I really like the deep gullet on the Turbo. I just ordered a box of .055 Turbo's for my mill. We run .045 at work, but I like .055 better.
I like the 55 too. But when I buy reg 7 I want 7 not turbo 7.
When my CBN wheel is done , Maybe I'll get a turbo CBN.
I like to run one kind of blade and one kind of CBN wheel at a time. ;D
Customer picking up some lumber.
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Wheel, Steering, olive drab, 1 ea.
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Does not even look used.
Road ah many ah mile in da back of one of those. :-\
Everything about your photo is just cool.....hard to get much more USA made and The American Small Business working than that. Sgt. Hulka could be hiding in the back....
If you think that truck is cool, then there's a good chance you've never huddled in the back of one with two other squads of troops, freezing your butts off. Or for that matter, in the front, dislocating a vertebrae on every bump in the road. They are not built for comfort.
Allways wanted one....
So I made one....
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I love it! smiley_thumbsup
Why are you logging and milling when you could be running your own theme park?
Quote from: deadfall on November 08, 2015, 12:33:58 AM
I love it! smiley_thumbsup
Thanks....
I love my Jeep better...
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Go Army !!!
Kbeitz,
Where is your scale model train set? You and loggah ought to get together then we would really see some redneck engineering. Compliments intended.
This is not the place to post my builds....
I could fill up a few pages with the stuff I build..
Every year I build one or two things...
The Jeep is one of my favorites.
Well let's see a thread started!
What is that cluster of 3 switches for there on the left of steering wheel?
Quote from: 4x4American on November 08, 2015, 07:06:40 AM
Well let's see a thread started!
What is that cluster of 3 switches for there on the left of steering wheel?
Air horns and siren...
Thats got to be the neatest ride I've seen. You have a talent. :)
I had a 1951 Air Force Jeep. It probably was only used for carting colonels and higher around tarmacs. Some previous owner had it undercoated but it all fell off because the underside of the fenders were waxed.
Here is a video of it....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p98T5FiAPrY
Kbeitz,what are you using for a running gear? Golf carts?
Only in the jeep...
I use many things...
burden carrier was used for the Duce.
Had some customers bring in logs to cut for them. Some good, some not so good.
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(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22511/SAM_0262.JPG) Some with a free sign. :D :D :D
Cut a cherry mantel for a guy today and 2" slabs.
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Quote from: Kbeitz on November 08, 2015, 06:41:23 AM
This is not the place to post my builds....
I could fill up a few pages with the stuff I build..
Every year I build one or two things...
The Jeep is one of my favorites.
another place for grits :D :D I guess we are not friends? but a nice build for sure,,
Quote from: Peter Drouin on June 21, 2015, 10:03:40 PM
I pick up a new chain and bar for my Dolmar saw . I allso bought a small saw to cut slabs.
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I had 5 minutes today to fab a table I'd been thinking about.
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It is a little Mad Max but I think It will work.
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I think I'll attach it where the hitch was. And need to cut a little to get down on the jack.
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Want to come down a ½". I'll put some legs on it Monday and try it.
When I get my parts I can fix the mill too. This is what happens when you don't have the board return all the way down and use it. :D :D
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But I did get the order all cut Friday.
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And a little Iron. :D :D
All in a day cutting wood.
I want to build something similar to this how's it working for ya peter? Do you have any pictures of it all setup?
I'll get some.
I sure could use a truck like that
Thanks, I preciate it. I'm going to pick up a 1/4"x28"x4' plate today to get started on it. Been sawing heavy slabs lately and I want to make it so that I don't need to have another person helping.
Here you go my friend.
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I used 2" pipe and some feet I had. The whole thing comes off.
And is 1½" above the hydro box, 3 of the feet go to the floor and one on the mill. Most of the slabs pounding coming off a log goes to the floor and not the mill.
Good luck 4x4 smiley_wavy
Thanks, Peter, that helps more than you know!
I'm about 3/4 of the way there, this is where I'm at:
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This load Monday.
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And today
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Then he showed up. :D :D
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I'm going to be ½ the day scaling and putting them all away. smiley_whip :D :D
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Had a customer wanted some wood cut ::)
First this.
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Then some Apple wood and red Oak.
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Then I walked over to the logs I just got and saw this. :D
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I bet It looks like this on the inside.
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At least the split went pretty well flat down that pine log!
4x4
I thought that was a chainsaw cut...
Peter, you ain't got no snow yet. And you're still complaining? :D
:D :D I didn't catch that, I just saw it and thought to myself, wow, they never split that straight!
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Peter, you ain't got no snow yet. And you're still complaining? :D
:D
Quote from: nomad on December 09, 2015, 07:10:04 PM
Peter, you ain't got no snow yet. And you're still complaining? :D
It will come, then I'll do it in the snow. :D
It has been nice, 50° today and looks to be that way for a week or so.
Scaling is the pits, but it's part of it.
Frost going in and coming out makes for some mud, Then the sun came out. And it helped dry it up some.
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Hay 4x4, Are you skipping 9 2bys at a time on your new table yet?
:D :D :D
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Hemlock.
Pretty good! I haven't sawed construction lumber in awhile, kinda looking forward to sawing some in the next couple days for a guy down the road. Love it when I can pull the mill to the job with my tractor.
Giving the edger a workout.
How are the mods on the mill working out 4x4?
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Great but definitely need dragback fingers, the boards like to go everywhere. Once I get some more time to do some welding/fabric making I'll nelly some up. But for now, I'll just keep making gray hairs. I finally painted the table last night.
A customer with some Apple :D :D :D
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Just cutting around the hole. :D :D
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A Day cutting wood.
Surprised. I figured that would be bowl turning blanks.
I was smelling butt roast and ribs,
Man that looked like one big bad knot :D
Them Apple logs can become a head scratcher as to which way to start sawing.
Looks good Peter. :)
Good grief!
Did a weekend pine job. Towed mill there with tractor, too sloppy to get there with truck. Hard to see, but the way the mill was setup I was on my tippy toes trying to see where the clamp was. Actually enjoyed the mill being so high for a change.
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Got that done then came back cleaned up my yard and set back up. Got some spruce on the deck and oak is up next.
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Good job, That is some nice pine. It's always fun sawing nice logs.
And I love the Green tractor. :D 8)
Thanks! I had a blast sawing the pine. It's been awhile, and something about that accuset 2 and making the offbearer scramble is just fun :D
BTW, I know it's been brought up before here but I've forgotten already, sawing that spruce there's smoke/steam coming out with the sawdust. What's that about ???
The log/sawdust was warmer than the outside air. Kinda like blowing your breath out but in this case, the log was blowing sawdust.
Thanks, Lynn. The blade broke out of the cut at the weld shorty after, so I wasn't sure if I was pushing too hard or something. But I've read others having similar problems with these wm 7/34 blades.
Not a turbo 7° but a break the same, except I've never seen one jump out like this one, first time ever, (i've seen a few break) ;D
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before anyone asks, I had the guard on, it just flopped out when I pulled the cover..
:D There sems to be no limit as to what a broken blade will do. :o
I've had a couple do that, over the years, and I've had them so tangled that I take the B-57's off before trying to free up the band! ;)
Part of my cover is made out of 2x6 wood. I had a broken blade stick in the wood
far enough that i had to use vise gripes to pull it out.
Tuesday I pulled my blades out of the flat pack box I keep them in, and one of them was broken. Must have been just too much for it to think of going back on the mill.
Wow, Was you just getting started to make a cut, and it went just before you went into the log?
I never had that happen.
My day was not as exciting as yours. Cut a little W Oak.
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And this thing W Oak.
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I will cut them for a customer But, I don't like to. I like cutting reg logs. Like this cherry today.
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Had a customer buy the log, 10' 250 BF. Then cut it in ½. :D :D :D.
More mud today.
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I haven't sawed too many, but every white oak crotch that I've milled, it's had a lot of green color too it. Anyone else experience that? I haven't seen them after they dried so I don't know if it still has that color after drying.
Fresh felled Walnut also has a green tint when it is sawn. Oxidation happens fast and that tint goes away quickly.
Quote from: Chuck White on February 04, 2016, 05:00:11 PM
I've had a couple do that, over the years, and I've had them so tangled that I take the B-57's off before trying to free up the band! ;)
I had to do that tuesday, take off the B57 to free a band, less fighting that's for sure.
Quote from: Magicman on February 04, 2016, 08:40:46 PM
Fresh felled Walnut also has a green tint when it is sawn. Oxidation happens fast and that tint goes away quickly.
I love that green tint. It's neat to watch it turn.
Trucker came with some 24'&20' hemlock today.
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And some shake :D :D
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And one I don't know why. :D :D
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I will cut it and get some 2x4s out of it, And I did give him a little $ for it.
This one I deducted an 8x8 right out of the scale. He gross out 4000BF
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All an all some nice wood, Should have a truck with 6000Bf coming too with hemlock.
With the cold here. We have to giddy up to get some wood in. Next will be some W Pine. And maybe, just maybe, some W Oak. ;D
Nice. On the ones with shake, will you cut around the shake? I have some hemlock logs with shake and I am wondering if it's just bad where the shake is or if the whole log is no good because of it? A local logger once told me that he won't send out any hemlock for sawlogs unless it has sat for two weeks to see if any shake starts to show and that if there is any he'll send it for pulp instead. Just curious because where the logs are it will be a hassle to get them out so it'd have to be worthwhile to saw them, or else I'll just buck for firewood.
Hard call sometimes. I don't want shake, but it comes in sometimes. I can see it when the tree is cut down. When you cut as much hemlock as I have, you will have an eye for it. On that log I will box the shake and use it for blocking. I will get some lumber out of it too.
A tree cut with a chain saw is easy to see it. Cut with a fellabuncher can be tricky. All in a day cutting wood. ;D
Yup I saw the shake as soon as I dropped it. I've heard it called wind shake, and ring shake, the latter being a disease or something. Any truth to that?
Shake is disease/bacteria between the growth rings, but I have no idea how or why.
Tension for the most part. Frost sometimes. But no disease. As far as i know.
venice
So you can see my confusion :D :D
To my knowlege an infection would be a secondary occurence following the separation of the growth rings caused by force or frost. Hence the name "wind shake". Some species are more prone to it than others.
venice
Venice
Not wind shake... it's an "old wives" tale...
bacteria introduced somehow, and several theories as to how... even cattle grazing around the tree roots.
http://www.nrs.fs.fed.us/pubs/gtr/gtr_ne267/gtr_ne267_156.pdf
BT is there a website where you find these forest service pdf's? Would love to poke around lots of good info they have.
4x4
Google "Hemlock tree ring shake bacteria Shigo" for what I found.
I kept smelling something on my hands last night. Couldn't wash it off. Then I remembered I'd been working a hemlock timber yesterday. Every time I work hemlock, I keep looking around for a horse. :D
BT, i was wrong. Bacteria can also cause ring shake. Looked it up and you are right.
Thanks. venice
-10 a day ago 40° today. I did not run the mill in that cold, but today at 40° I was but the cat was at -10. Frost all over it. So I warmed it up. :D
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How do like that beenthere, fire 12" away from the sawdust. :D :D :D :D :D :D
The lumber had frost too. The cat started like summer time.
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Have to cut some pine Wensday, So I pulled out some logs that might thaw out with the rain we get tonight, Maybe. ;D
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All in a day cutting wood...no sawring here today...got 5.5-6" of snow last night and then woke up to rain this morning...It's been raining all day, what a mess..can't wait for all that rain to freeze tonight so I can ice skate to the job tomorrow lol windy here now and the rain is finally letting up.
lovin this thread!
me too this thread is what made me wanna join FF
I hate it when this happens, frozen logs jumping around.
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Froze together. :D :D ::) ::)
I just don't know how y'all guys up north do it. Way to cold for this southern boy. ;D
I am convinced log clamps were invented in winter.
Nice thermometer, Peter. Logs don't look so bad either :)...I had a girly calender hanging on the wall in the garage...my wife decided the women were not properly dressed, and proceded to draw bikinis on them with a sharpie....
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Proceeded to draw bikinis on them with a sharpie....
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D good one.
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Proceeded to draw bikinis on them with a sharpie....
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D good one.
Probably not necessary with a fire extinguisher on either side
Quote from: terrifictimbersllc on February 17, 2016, 08:41:50 PM
Probably not necessary with a fire extinguisher on either side
Don't you think she's HOT? :D :D :D
That time of the year.
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Loads of pine and hemlock slabs going to boil sap to make maple syrup.
I keep 20 or so ½cords around.
In the winter the more bark works to hard to chip the slabs up. Frozen slabs are the pits. So I bundle them.
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Dry ones,
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Green ones, I sell them for $45.00 each.
I did poke the chip pile with the forks, not as bad as I thought the frost would be.
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The mud is dring up some too.
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Hi C Farm smiley_wavy You going to the open house at Wood Mizer in April?
Looks like a beautiful day in the Northeast,,
Whatcha got under that lean to up top? Your sawmill and lumber shed look great. Do you sell the green slab bundles for $45 or the dry ones for that?
I hope to see my friend Peter at the Chesterville open house April 16.
Saw Ross at the store again today. He was buying shavings.
Quote from: 4x4American on February 22, 2016, 06:38:43 PM
Whatcha got under that lean to up top? Your sawmill and lumber shed look great. Do you sell the green slab bundles for $45 or the dry ones for that?
That [lean to] is going to have a big window to let sun light in the back room. I have to cover it with live edge siding like this.
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I sell a lot of things and need to have a display, so I'm making different displays all over the mill shed.
And yes, I get 45 dry or green. That's the trick, to sell all the parts of the log, not just the lumber.
Hi C Farm, you got snow up there?
I had to sand some the other day with John by driving and shaking the bucket. I get a so so job that way. :D :D :D :D
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Peter,what's that white stuff?? ;D
Remember this back in '14??
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I don't think he could get enough together this year to make a snow banken 2 feet high.
I could drive my car in my field.
Last year was the pits. :D :D My drive way is breaking up now. My honey bees are flying all over the place too. 8)
One of those mornings. :D :D
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A near miss!
Looks like your timestamp is off by a smidge lol
Obviously you need to do a better job heat treating those saw teeth. :D :D
Nice! I've never found a quarter in a log before :D ;D
It's your lucky day! ;D ;D
ya made 25 cents!
There are bands made for that very purpose.
I am surprised you cut through it. i would stopped the feed the second I heard the zzziiiiggggg.
Lag screws are usually pretty mild steel, by the time I hear it, it's already coming out the other side! :-\
Yea I've sawed clean through a few of them myself. With them 7° .055" blades you can keep going without much diving I've found you just have to slow down...lots of times the sawhead will jump and buck if I don't slow down lol
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ya made 25 cents!
The elusive money tree has at last been located.
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Quote from: lshobie on February 24, 2016, 01:34:44 PM
ya made 25 cents!
The elusive money tree has at last been located.
But now it is lumber and no longer lives to reproduce!
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Lag screws are usually pretty mild steel, by the time I hear it, it's already coming out the other side! :-\
Just what happens.
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Obviously you need to do a better job heat treating those saw teeth. :D :D
It was a heat treat one, I'll do better next time. :D
Quote from: lshobie on February 24, 2016, 01:34:44 PM
ya made 25 cents!
And spent $30.00 on the blade. :D
Quote from: Bandmill Bandit on February 24, 2016, 03:24:20 PM
There are bands made for that very purpose.
I am surprised you cut through it. i would stopped the feed the second I heard the zzziiiiggggg.
If Peter is sawing as fast as I do with the same mill, the saw was out of the log before he even heard the zing. :D My record so far is seven 1/2' lag bolts in one pass with one blade.
Dave, that would be simply amazing,, a record for certain,,
7 lags :o :o wow.
Your record, or the record? lol
I hit one, changed the band, hit another, and decided to just keep going with the second ruined band. Resawing an old timber.
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I was getting a load of logs today, but it did not come and I was out of 8' 1x12' W Pine for Saturday. So I cut a 16'9" log in ½. I don't like doing that.
Big butt log.
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The other ½ I did get a lot of 1x12 and 3 nice 20" wide ones, nice and clear.
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I flipped the cant , made a cut and hit a nail >:( It had 10" or better of wood over it. 16 penney.
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If any wants to post pics here go for it, even things you hit with the blade. :D :D :D
Pete
Nice looking pine I like the wide boards . The nail not so much :)
Bruno
Yeah, some kid puts it in 50 60 years ago. :D :D :D :D
Never ceases to amaze me, but somehow it still does...outstanding log, lumber....and well, yes, a nail... >:(
Just look at it as a petrified small finishing knot.
More like a pre nailed board. ;D
PC
Well, the logger came 6000 BF of 8' and 10' W Pine And 3 12s. :D :D 8)
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All big wood, Long stuff Sunday and Mon morning, load bans next week.
Winter cut wood is the best. 8) 8)
Dere ya go. Have you got enough to make it through mud season?
A guy placed an order with me for a shed he's building in April or May, said that he wants the lumber now because he likes winter cut wood.
Nice , nice , nice !
4x4 that winter wood is clean and dry of sap, W Pine will last till June easy with no stain or bugs. I have a logger cutting 2 loads of hemlock too, best that I have seen in a long time.
8' 10' 12' 16' and a lot of 20' will come after the bans are off.
The same one that brought the 24' ones.
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Nice. Last winter I learned about bleeding out the logs. I still have sticky boards kicking around lol
I need a 3x14x24' ridge beam, I should be able to saw that on my mill, no? It was somewhere on here, but have never done it.
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I need a 3x14x24' ridge beam, I should be able to saw that on my mill, no? It was somewhere on here, but have never done it.
easy, :D :D
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pull it back and cut. ;)
Hoe did you figure that out Peter? ;D
gotta be some, a little blood sweet and tears?
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Hoe did you figure that out Peter? ;D
4x4 wanted to know. :D :D That's him looking at his new mill with Ross. :D
Quote from: 4x4American on February 27, 2016, 06:46:29 PM
Nice. Last winter I learned about bleeding out the logs. I still have sticky boards kicking around lol
I need a 3x14x24' ridge beam, I should be able to saw that on my mill, no? It was somewhere on here, but have never done it.
You can either back up or rise out of the cut on the first two faces leaving the hump at the end. On the third cut where there is a flat on the bottom, you can slide it forward till the bump hits the back rail (movable rail is slid out of the way for this), and then finish that (third) cut. Same on the 4th face. Now bring the first and second faces up and finish those the same way.
Raising the rollers 1/4" or so makes it easier to do the sliding back thing. There are other little details you will enjoy discovering on your own. ;D
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There are other little details you will enjoy discovering on your own. ;D
:D :D :D
Thanks for the pictures, Pete. I'm guessing that was at the end of your extensions too, so that musta been real long, eh?
That was a good day, except for towing the mill home through the slush without trailer brakes...I figured it out, a couple weeks later lol the big fuse under the hood of my pickup had blown.
I won't get 'a day' cutting wood but I hope to get at least a couple hours today....but of course, it's going to rain though that won't stop me!
No 4x4 that was on the mill. The ex is in the back of the barn. I only use it when I have to.
More logs today. 8)
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More, :D :D
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Some hard maple and Spruce too.
Does your mill ever stop! :D
How long does it take you to mill up a load like that?
Quote from: OlJarhead on February 29, 2016, 12:31:48 PM
Does your mill ever stop! :D
How long does it take you to mill up a load like that?
3 hrs ;)
hahaha that made me laugh!
Peter...you are killing me with all these beautiful trucks, full of beautiful logs... I have a wanted ad here nearly begging for a pine supply...seems you can't get away from it!!! Lords sake, send a truck or two here!!! Nice setup, logs, and sawing as always, Peter...
I've seen how Pete operates, the log truck loads the logs on his sawmill deck and he has it sawed by the time the grapple plucks the next log lol
I like how he had the pup loaded yesterday btw
Ya, getting calls with the nice days we are getting now, And they just posted the roads today.
bkaimwood, Don't you have loggers over there?
4 x 4- I just noticed your property list at bottom. Had to chuckle. That doesn't make you feel uneasy knowing your assessor can see all your property for taxation purpose? :D
Quote from: MikeZ on February 29, 2016, 10:19:52 PM
4 x 4- I just noticed your property list at bottom. Had to chuckle. That doesn't make you feel uneasy knowing your assessor can see all your property for taxation purpose? :D
:D :D :D
Well ya know, just a little bit..but after the first few sleepless nights I got over it! lol
Quote from: bkaimwood on February 29, 2016, 06:33:08 PM
Peter...you are killing me with all these beautiful trucks, full of beautiful logs... I have a wanted ad here nearly begging for a pine supply...seems you can't get away from it!!! Lords sake, send a truck or two here!!! Nice setup, logs, and sawing as always, Peter...
No kidding. I'm having the same problem here. I want to start cutting frame parts for my new shop, and can't find a logger around here to save my life.
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Quote from: bkaimwood on February 29, 2016, 06:33:08 PM
Peter...you are killing me with all these beautiful trucks, full of beautiful logs... I have a wanted ad here nearly begging for a pine supply...seems you can't get away from it!!! Lords sake, send a truck or two here!!! Nice setup, logs, and sawing as always, Peter...
No kidding. I'm having the same problem here. I want to start cutting frame parts for my new shop, and can't find a logger around here to save my life.
If you have a university in your state or a forest department it will have a list of foresters you can call.
Or if you see a logging truck follow it you will find a logger. :D :D
It would seem there's no loggers around here...the denser location of them in minimum an hour away, most likely two, and being hauling is of such significant cost, I can't typically get even a returned call...the routes you explained, and most I've found on the forum have been exhausted and run down long ago. The few I have found never seem to have what I need, the rest never follow through or fall off the face of the earth. The largest percentage of my supply comes from tree services, and if works most times, but costs lots more time tracking stuff down, visits, and hauling on my end, all a significant cost in $$$, not to mention the huge efficiency drop of me spending so much time getting them, rather than sawing them. I still have faith one day I'll hook up with the right guy...
It'll come BK.
I started out doing a a lot of chasing. Now when i get in my truck to go look at logs its either standing trees that the tree service guys are going to be cutting down or decks of logs that the oil field construction guys want gone.
EPA wont let them leave the logs laying and the with the fire reg it is cheaper to for them to pay freight to get them gone before fines start to accumulate.
On the tree service guys I get paid to take the logs as a rule and the oil field stuff the contractor will often pay the freight to get the logs gone.
Also farmers that have done selective logging on pasture land.
Loggers in NH have big saws. :D :D
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That cut is 2½" thick. :o :o :D :D
Yup, that is the way they are felled here. You can hear a feller winding up for miles.
Thanks for words of encouragement bandmillbandit...hope your right...
My old boss called the mechanized outfits "Tennis Shoe Loggers" lol
Quote from: bkaimwood on March 01, 2016, 06:53:48 PM
Thanks for words of encouragement bandmillbandit...hope your right...
Hey BK
Your welcome! As long as that mill makes enough of that sawdust (my cocain) to keep you addicted you'll figure away to make more of the stuff for less $$ and keep more $$ in your pocket. AND still have a enough saw dust!
An $800 to $1200 dollar day means you don't need 7 in a row to stay viable when your equipment don't owe you any thing and is many 1000s hours from wore out.
I may be in for some skinnier times but my phone is not ringing less this Spring.
You'll do fine. I am sure
With the nice weather the phone is ringing with orders. 8) 8)
Anyone have a hard time selling 1x4s?
I got calls for 3 different portable jobs today, must be the weather. Cept it did rain all day here..
You gotta whack of 1x4s do ya?
I don't like to leave them in the slabs. :D :D
Peter ,
Advertise them as strapping they will sell :) :)
Jim/Bruno
Bundle them in packs of 10 or 12
People think they are getting a better deal that way .
I'll try that, I do sell some 16'. But the 8' 10' 12' are piling up. All in good shape and under a roof.
In the fall people use strapping to hold up poly on their porches and carports .
Mater stakes.
Glue or nail em together and sell as 2x4s ;D
1x4's sure not a hot seller here either...I don't even want to stack them anywhere, they take up too much space and will be there FOREVER... Banding and selling for pallets seems like the time spent isn't worth the $$$, or maybe close to a washout. When I end up with things close to 4", I do one of 3 things... Make a sticker and a 1x3, or make a 1x2, and throw them in the batten pile. I saw lots of b and b siding, so I know it will get used or sold then, and you can never have too many stickers it seems.
On another note, I hope it's OK I ask this in this thread, seems relative to some recent posts and comments, and goes to my EWP shortage as discussed, especially now and heading into the real busy season. I may have finally hooked up with a reliable, quality pine source. I have been paying .25 a bf give or take. This fella says he has a good, steady supply, and says the logs are all truly STUNNERS... BIG, Straight, top notch!! His price quote is around .38 a bf. Yup, I know it's high, but given my situation, I think I have to consider it a would appreciate and value your input. I hate to try to haggle with the guy, for obvious reasons... We talk about having to pay the premium to get in the door, get what you need, and so on... I'm thinking I just roll with it, with this plan. Offset second and third logs figuring them at .25 on my end, saw for all my siding and related orders, keeping my same price there...I can't raise that price any more, I'm a hair high now, but selling product OK...then upgrade all first logs to .50, and try to market the higher grade stuff accordingly, to offset my costs...this is simple and common business, sounds like a no brainer, but believe it or not, I have no demand for clear stuff... Everyone wants character knotty pine. I can't afford to cut .35 cents a bf stunners into siding...the other thing is I can move some big slabs, so saw many of them for wide 8/4, live edge slabs, and such...this stuff moves slow, but moves, and when the guy that wants it comes along, it sells easily, just slower. So what do you guys think?
Some of the mills around here are paying $400/mbf for slammer pine. There's a mill in Carthage NY paying $450/mbf for premium pine, I thought that was crazy high...
Start with what you can get for the lumber, then subtracts the sawing, sticking and profit, And see what's left. That's is price you can pay. In NH for reg stuff like 2x4 and grade #2 W pine I can make 2 to 3 times what I pay for the log. Then the money for the chips and sawdust.
It's all in the marketing. :D :D :D :D That's what I have to do with the 1x4s
I'm running some number myself while riding out this thundershower...wondering what you figure for sawing and sticking? Does $200/mbf sound about right?
4x4...I figure minimum .25c to saw, .25c to dust boards (which I do, every one) and sticker them...so I figure minimum .50 cents a bf before adding log cost... If I was not old, and working solo most of the time, I could likely reduce that number significantly. Paying a kid or two 10 bucks an hour to do the latter would cut it down. By the way, these numbers factor in acceptable profit for me, and are used only as a guideline. So if I added pine log cost as previously mentioned into that, it'd be .90 a bf, with no profit on the logs...that's the part I'm sorting out.. I'd like to hear what others have to say, for all our benefit...
Pete...your doing good, as you should be, a seasoned veteran IMO...3 and 4 times profit is great...
Quote from: 4x4American on March 15, 2016, 08:17:01 PM
Glue or nail em together and sell as 2x4s ;D
I would have cut them as 2X4 to begin with.. I do not cut anything in 4/4 less than 1X6 and as long as the log will allow. I never cut a 17' log into to, to saw 8' stock unless their is a bad crook to deal with. Sawing as a whole saves time turning each 8'piece individually. I can cut down to length's needed as needed. Since I haven't been able to find a board stretcher it works for me to leave'm long.. :D :D
The 1x4 are W Pine, All the 1" here is W Pine old school, All 2" and bigger are Hemlock. I don't cut pine into 2by and bigger unless that's what the customer wants. I get some calls from timber framers for W Pine frames.
The place is drying out too.
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Had a customer brought in some Ash, wants 5"x5" and 1" the junk one will be 2" slabs
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And I got a window for the dormer, now I can get it done. 8)
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Lookin good Pete! smiley_thumbsup
Wow, ash with tight bark, haven't seen that since maybe ever...
Dormer looks great!!!
It will let sunlight in the back room,
Well, I ordered a full load of slammers... Guess we'll see how it works out... Cautiously optimistic...
You want logs not slammers. :D :D :D :D
Slammers are nice to have around the mill on a hot day when there's no logs to saw...:)
smiley_beertoast smiley_thumbsup :D :D
Did your logs come in bkaimwood?
Not yet, Peter... Guy said 2-3 weeks, so I'm hoping to be sawing them within 2 weeks...if I don't hear anything within a week, I will surely be getting nervous. Met with another logger over the weekend... He didn't have a full truck on hand but prolly had a few thousand bf on hand...not slammers, but some decent stuff, with a lower price that reflected it. I'm hoping he'll have something together within a week. I'm now all out of EWP... Just took a small order for some maple, and a large order of white oak...all the maple in in stock, half the oak in stock, the rest easy to get. So plenty to do in the meantime. Sawed some tamarack slabs for a retail store Friday, and the last of my hemlock for a b and b order...had 2 hemlocks left over, about 325bf, so sawed a pile of 1x12x12 and 1x8x12, for inventory... Sold the whole pile yesterday. Things are cookin' for the army of one...I'm pleased. Got 3 portable jobs on the books, and 4 more quotes out.
Was wondering what happened to you lately, Peter? Did you go on vacation?? :)
No vacation, Just cutting orders. And looking for W Oak and W Cedar :D
Good to hear from you, Peter. I was beginning to get thread withdrawals... I got both, trade you for some slammers???!!! :)
Shoot I'll trade you pine slammers for some w oak and w cedar!
PA is a long way away. :D :D :D
Can't get there from here
This is getting old.
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16° and snow. :snowball:
Quote from: Peter Drouin on April 04, 2016, 04:36:46 PM
This is getting old
16° and snow. :snowball:
:o
I would think so! Come on down south, we're 70° And sunny!
I sure wish we could get some of that white stuff about august. :D :D :D
Pete
Got 4 inches at my place and still snowing some .
Didn't need this :(
Bruno
So far no white stuff up here in Maine. Note the so far part.
I'll send you some cfarm. :D :D :D
Don't want Ross to have to move it. Remember this back in 2014??
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This was for the WM openhouse the same time as this year.
Yes, that's right. :D :D I'll know in a couple of days if Ann and I are going this year.
Glaciation in the North can be taxing.
Peter....it's been a long time since I've seen pics of big pine logs and sawn lumber... I am growing concerned for your well being, and my own...if you need to talk to someone, I'm here...
We still wanna see a video electricuted-smiley !!
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I was on a job a few months ago down south, and there was a guy flying a drone around taking pictures and stuff. I made a few quick clips here's the video.
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Now, that :o is a whack of firewood! 8)
Quote from: 4x4American on April 04, 2016, 08:38:50 PM
We still wanna see a video electricuted-smiley !!
Yeah, I have been thinking about that.
Quote from: WDH on April 04, 2016, 08:35:06 PM
Glaciation in the North can be taxing.
10° this morning here with about 8" of snow. Then it's going up to the 60's and rain. I'll be cutting joints in the garage. It's 60° and no rain in there. :D
I'm in the shop with the heat on .
Better days are coming :)
Not a big fan of working under the dripping eaves anymore :)
Aw come on now,dripping cold rain down the back of your neck,down on your knees in the mud,repairing a rotten sill,gloves are soaking wet,and only 4 more hours to go........sucks!
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That's what I would be doing but under a deck 3 ft off the ground . :):)
The one good thing is the eave water makes your hair so soft :):)
What I got left of it any way :)
Quote from: 4x4American on April 04, 2016, 08:38:50 PM
We still wanna see a video electricuted-smiley !!
I think the dude with the flashing head just gave me a seizure...
lol
I could never type as good as you during a seizure! Everything came out perfectly...
Sheesh ya didn't have to look at it!!
The snow will go fast, One day and mud. :D :D
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I use cull lumber to make and fix pallets to put lumber on.
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This stoped the mill.
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Small but very hard steel.
Rain today,
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Dang tree step? I hate those things >:(
Oh no!!! :( Hope it was a blade that had been resharpened a few times.
One I heat treated. :D
Quote from: Peter Drouin on April 08, 2016, 06:28:11 AM
One I heat treated. :D
Guess it wasnt heat treated enough...
Ouch! :o
Today, some of the hard to find W Oak came in. 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
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All 16' Have an order for some 6x10x16. 2010BF on the load with trucking $1000.00 to put that in the yard.
Nice score on the white oak :)
Decent to nice oak at an economy price...good deal Peter... I paid just about that yesterday for barely the equal quality in EWP...but I finally have 5k bf on hand...
Nice logs Pete. And I see he already scaled them too. Was he close to what you scaled or didn't ya scale em?
He did, And is right on the money with the BF. He's a new guy I found. He buys a lot of hardwood from the loggers. And sells it to anyone with the money. :D :D :D
Ah I see so it's from a broker? Then did you have to hire trucker or does he take care of that?
Trucking on me.
I didn't know people had such good operations going in NH i'm over in unity just starting sawing lumber for myself with a used mighty mite I bought. So far I like it haven't had time yet this year me and my father just have to much going on. Im trying to help him get his old house sold i'm trying to get permits to build my house and my mother past away last week so all ive done is start the engine and use the hydraulics on the head to see if everything is working okay this year. looking at the photos of that wood-mizer you have are making me drool though. Really happy to see other people in NH like making saw dust as much as me. Hope you all have a great summer.
Too bad about your mom. I know how you feel. My brother Mark past last week too.
There's a lot of mills in NH. 3 others in my town all Wood Mizers but, I'm the only one selling lumber. ;D
Had some friends with me for lunch today.
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After I had lunch my drive belt fell apart. Had an old one and put that in.
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Have to take the brake band off to get the belt out.
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I back off the belt adjustment thing.
And grease the thing too.
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I put some never seas on the shaft with the old/ new belt :D
Put it all together and in the first cut on some W Oak the belt rips in half. ::)
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I have 2 new one coming.
Do all think I can run without a third of the belt. :D :D :D :D
Holy cow what a mess...well at least you had a good lunch. Looks like there was enough friends there to have lunch for a year or two
popcorn_smiley
Quote from: POSTONLT40HD on April 12, 2016, 09:42:22 PM
popcorn_smiley
Got any to share? I'm all out..some clown uninstalled all my popcorn
That's called ''practice''.
PC
New belt on, Had to move the drive pulley out some. When I put in the new motor mount I could see it was out a little.
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I use an old blade for the line up. 100% now. ;D
Well, The rain stopped and the sun is out. The loggers are at it, Got a load of Hemlock in with some W Oak. 8)
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Think the pith is off some. :D :D :D
No leaners there, Peter....honest, not growing on a Hillside...you need a few challenging logs here and there, to keep you sharp and thinking!!! Just got my 3rd load of EWP today...only 6 logs...scaled to 1600 ft, 12 footers...
Almost a month since an update, Peter?
Pine Man,
You are in trailer deck city ;D.
How do you deduct for pith off center? drop a grade?
His pith has always been off center :D :D :D.
Quote from: 4x4American on May 11, 2016, 09:05:08 PM
How do you deduct for pith off center? drop a grade?
I don't, Just try to get what I can. It will make a good 6x6. I only deduct for rot, sweep and shake. A lot of times I will buy the [not the best logs in the load]. That keeps the logger happy. Without them, I have no sawmill business. But it all works out when you buy all the logs I do. Have a truck coming today too, and 3 next week maybe. :D :D :D
Quote from: WDH on May 11, 2016, 09:07:55 PM
His pith has always been off center :D :D :D.
I've been told that before. :D :D ;)
It's good to see you "up and at it" Peter. Good call on your loggers. 8)
Well, today while I was flying cutting 20' 2x6s I miss the mark or hit it. :D :D :D :D :D
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Then I tried to back up. :D :D
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Maybe I can reset the blade. smiley_biggrin01
I think Woodmizer offers a sawing class. :D
Peter, I think we've all done it, at least twice. ::)
Man I feel way better now. Even the pros do it.. ;D 8)
Yep, probably want to check the set on that band....
Ta heck with da band. I am teary eyed over the scratches on the side support. :o
Ok I have to admit I showed this to my wife and said "see honey, even the pros do it now and then!" and she said "ya, but that doesn't mean you can!"
:snowball:
I see you have the high proformance guide thingys, do you like em?
Yes 4x4 I would not cut very fast without them. ;D
Really...Are they a pain to adjust? What do you have for a distance between guides with them? I have 28" when fully open. I have the mount for them
but not them
I would not be willing to loose any distance between my blade guides.
They don't give ya much to begin with
4x4.
I never thought that you had much distance between your blade guides.................. ;D.
Not trying to insult you, just having a little fun.
It was sure nice to meet you. Thanks for the help with the off-bearing at the Project.
4x4 I cut 30"+ logs and have no trouble. Most of my logs are 12" to 25, 27" most times.
My market is 1" and 2" lumber with 12"x12" and smaller beams mix in.
Quote from: Magicman on May 13, 2016, 07:35:41 PM
I would not be willing to loose any distance between my blade guides.
Me neither!
When I got my mill it had the HP blade guide rollers on it, and it didn't take very long for me to take them off and install the standard blade guide rollers.
On my mill, the HP's limited the clearance side-to-side and also when sawing a 1" dog board.
Can't saw a 1" dog board with the hp guides?
I can.
I did too, but I had to move the (movable) blade guide roller out and around the clamp!
Oh, yea I have to do that with my
current setup too. I think since I have the HP guide without them actually mounted, I get all the drawbacks of them without any benefits! lol
I ran an LT40 super with the HP guides. I was not impressed so didn't swap my roller guides out. I did remove the bottom slide blocks and have been very happy with out them installed.
Quote from: Peter Drouin on May 13, 2016, 09:49:20 PM
4x4 I cut 30"+ logs and have no trouble. Most of my logs are 12" to 25, 27" most times.
No HP guides for me.
The builders that I mill for are looking for the biggest width possible, from their Western Red Cedars.
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Bibby-ing them down to bite size is step one.
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Rolling them over using a Mega-Hook with chain and the loader forks
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The big gulp! Less than an inch at the top of the throat, with off-centre pith. Forty one feet long.
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I'd have to change mills to get a bigger cut than this:
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Like 4x4 said, there's only 28" between the rollers guides.
Somewhere on one of the many threads on FF I had said my mill wasn't cutting good. In fact I believe a beaver or a butter knife could've done a better job lol
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WM service tech even had stopped out (on his own time because he was in the area, can't beat that! He left my mill around 9pm, now that's better support than Victoria's Secret can offer). Marty P was the one who gave the winning advice by telling me to lower the rpms. I just wanted to show you how bad it was cutting with everything we could think of checked (known good blade, alignment good, belt tensioned, band tensioned, new B57s, new up/down headrig brake, etc etc...nothing fixed it)
This was hard maple. I lowered my rpms and had immediately better results. I had to play around with them more today as I had the rpms sawing pine good last week with Kasco 7/35 blades and then I made some 4/35 blades for sawing the maple and I had to play around with the rpms a bit more til I got it to cut good (made it even slower). I think it's gonna be alot more gooder if I get a tach on my saw so I can easilier manipulate it.
I would think you would get the rpms set and not have to play with it all the time.
Can't you call WM and ask what to set the rpms at?
Too bad you have to go through this.
Back in the day Wood Mizer would cut logs at the plant to be sure the mill worked right then send them out. Now they put them together and send them out and guys like Mr Parson has to fix them.
When I got mine in 08 I had to go over the whole mill and fix a lot of things. Simple things like the radeator clamp leaks. Fuse box burnd out, put in the new stile fuses, free from WM. And a full alinment. It was good I had been with them a long time, 3 mill.
Don't get me wrong, I like my mill and think there the best, Just would like WM to go back to testing them like they use too.
For what you payed for the thing It should have cut right the first time out of the box.
Quote from: Peter Drouin on June 01, 2016, 06:23:06 AM
I would think you would get the rpms set and not have to play with it all the time.
Can't you call WM and ask what to set the rpms at?
When I changed out my engine a couple of years ago, and reading the manual, Manual states check RPM every 200 hours!
Don't know why it changes, but it does, even with lock nuts on the throttle linkage!
That throttle cable, doesn't really go to the actual throttle. It pulls a spring which pulls opens the governor. The tension on that spring is what determines your engine rpm. Spring tension will change with temperature. On most engines there will be an adjustment for maximum rpm, you normally don't need to mess with that..
The diesels are not the same as the gas ones. Chuck.
Customers logs, The hump. :D :D ::)
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You would think a man can see the hump when he cut the tree down. :D :D ::)
I had a guy from a big Pine mill stop by to see my setup today. We had a good talk about what A&P sawmill can do for him.
I can't tell how surprise I am to see him here. If this works out dancing-jack
You said it yourself, some guys just can't buck a straight log, and others, you buy their logs and they're all perfect, bucked straight, trim is all the same and what was specified, etc.
That's great to hear about the big pine mill! I hope that log wasn't on the saw when he came!
Quote from: 4x4American on June 01, 2016, 10:10:10 PM
I hope that log wasn't on the saw when he came!
No , He came at lunchtime, no logs on the mill.
What does he want you to do for them? Inquiring minds want to know, unless it's a trade secret.
Jim Rogers
He is looking for a Pine man.
Cutting Pine today, Last one was 12"x14"x 25'
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My new sign.
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What do you think?
Quote from: Jim_Rogers on June 02, 2016, 09:59:04 AM
What does he want you to do for them? Inquiring minds want to know, unless it's a trade secret.
Jim Rogers
Long lumber and live edge siding.
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Ahhh so that's how you do them long uns! Thanks for all the pictures, makes it look easier than it prolly is..
That sign looks great. It made me want to buy lumber from you, that finger, (I would do the italien kiss my fingers and then open them to symbolize perfection, but there isn't a smiley that does that, yet....AHEM... ;D )
Quite the operation, looking good. smiley_thumbsup
Nice signage:)
Is business still good ?
Quote from: Czech_Made on June 03, 2016, 09:00:02 AM
Quite the operation, looking good. smiley_thumbsup
Thanks.
Quote from: 4x4American on June 02, 2016, 09:36:40 PM
Ahhh so that's how you do them long uns!
Ya it is easy, But A pane. I have a 24' ex and do use it a lot, But, lately it's been 24' wood and I don't need 24' ex all the time.
The 24'ex takes up a lot of room so I only hook it up when I need it. I talked to Ross and I think I'm going up and get a 6' ex to leave on the mill all the time. And maybe a resaw too.
Quote from: Bruno of NH on June 03, 2016, 06:52:50 PM
Nice signage:)
Is business still good ?
Thanks, I had a call today looking for 1x12x16 pine for form boards. Guy said he called all over and no one has any, [ All sold out] I guess. He bought all I had and, ordered 60 more.
Business Is steady .
Ahh resaw eh? The resaw sounds like could be a lot of lumber handling..U don't need power for that? I guess running a generator for that wouldn't be too bad eh?
Nice, professional signage, Pine Man.
Quote from: WDH on June 03, 2016, 08:21:21 PM
Nice, professional signage, Pine Man.
Glad you like it, I did it that way so I can move it in the winter. The town plow might hit it if I leave it near the road.
All looks good Peter. Signs are important to bring in customers. And signs that can be read at 50mph too.
And thanks for flying the flag!
Quote from: crowhill on June 05, 2016, 03:10:11 PM
And thanks for flying the flag!
I put that up every morning. 8)
New Mill. 8) 8) 8)
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2 extra blades.
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And at a good price, an old man had it, died and the boy has no use for it. :D :D
But I do have to get a power plant for it.
Quote from: Peter Drouin on June 08, 2016, 09:09:24 PM
But I do have to get a power plant for it.
See Jeff. :D
Someone going into the shingle business???
Looks to be in very nice condition. Good score. A friend of mine bought a Chase recently. Complete with extra "sprockets" for different length and thickness shingles, and it even had the bundling machine to go with it.
Dave, that's a good thing when you have all the parts.
Do you know what he gave for it? This one was 1,500.00 and it is in good shape.
Nice, Peter! Can you use the pto on your tractor to power it? One less thing to maintain.
It was a package deal, but I would say about $5,000 or $5,500.
Pine Man will soon have the shingles.
Is it a shingle mill? I didn't see anywhere that he mentioned that. Or any writing on the framework that said shingle mill.
Maybe I missed it.
Jim Rogers
Yes, it's a shingle mill.
Pine mans going to need some cedar logs :)
Quote from: Bruno of NH on June 09, 2016, 06:31:28 PM
Pine mans going to need some cedar logs :)
I'm working on some cedar from VT. But not for shingle making.
I get timber framers redoing old houses and the house has W Pine siding on them.
I want to sell them the siding too.
Has anyone heard of W Oak shingles?
Peter
When i built my house i got white cedar from southern VT .
In some old carpentry books i have they talk about white oak as shingles .
I think they would look good .
Have installed a lot of white cedar shingles over the years .
Yeah Bruno, I want to get the cedar to make 2bys with. For outside pergolas and trellises.
Peter,
I notice that you indicated that you put your flag up every morning.
This means you take it down at dusk.
Kudos to you.
We observe proper flag Etiquette both here and at our Florida house.
Too many folks just put their flag up and forget it.
I was under the impression that you could leave the flag up if you kept a light on it throughout the night, no?
Quote from: 4x4American on June 10, 2016, 09:59:34 PM
I was under the impression that you could leave the flag up if you kept a light on it throughout the night, no?
Yes.
Quote from: petefrom bearswamp on June 10, 2016, 07:09:40 PM
Peter,
I notice that you indicated that you put your flag up every morning.
This means you take it down at dusk.
Kudos to you.
We observe proper flag Etiquette both here and at our Florida house.
Too many folks just put their flag up and forget it.
I jumped a guy abought one time and his answer was a good one that Flag ain't been scared of any thing for 200 years what makes you think it's scared of the dark but mine still has a light on it at night
I have a problem with our coaches across the district who want to put up the flag at the start of the season and take it down at the end. I have quit badgering them.....I let them talk to the Marine who complains. They generally gain a new respect.
Here is a good video about the flag and how the national anthem was written, definitely worth watching.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaxGNQE5ZLA
Thanks for that 4x4.
Going to look a power plant for the shingle mill in VT. 47horse with a hand clutch and pulley on it, Set on a skid. 8) 8)
Thanks 4x4
For sure, for sure...
Pete did ya pick up that powerplant?
Well my day of cutting wood didn't go so well today! (Picture in the transfer process)
I have a broken push rod on the intake valve on the loader side cylinder of my CH745S Kohler.
I have done all the checking I can at this point and have found no other damage. the broken piece (about 1.5") is laying on the bottom of the crank case. I need to grab a smaller diameter magnet to get it out.
Compression on both cylinders still well within spec.
Has any one had this issue with an EFI engine. I did have the same issue with a 25 HP carbed engine in the early 80s only both pieces of the push rod were still in the head.
Sad to hear that Bandit, I wish you luck with that fix.
4x4 I'm going Tuesday morning to look at it. Then Friday I'm going to see Ross to get a 6' ex, Blades, parts, a bunch of stuff. Ann was sick this spring and we did not go to the open house. [To get the stuff, then]
Next week I think I'm going to meet Jeremy from WM, NY. To get a resaw. He's going to Maine to see a customer. Ross doesn't have one.
Will see how it goes. :D :D
Our flag here is lit, in Florida it is lit but my wife takes it in at night anyway.
She can spot a tattered flag from very far away.
Drives her nuts.
Quote from: petefrom bearswamp on June 14, 2016, 04:07:31 PM
She can spot a tattered flag from very far away.
Drives her nuts.
Me too.
I got the siding on, just have to put in the window in.
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Too much sun, Hot on the roof today. So I went for a ride on the bike my brother gave me.
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Fast for a 1200
Had a customer wanted to trade for lumber. I said OK :D :D
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Pics not too good, will get better ones.
Peter
Like the bike sold my Harley to build my house . Miss it .
The siding looks nice on the dormer .
Better pics.
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Total cost of the repair was $16.79 for that push rod. As per Kohler service rep it is not an uncommon issue.
Fishing the busted piece out of the crank case was the most time consuming. the rest of it was about a 20 minute re-assembly task.
Now for the completion of that day of cutting wood.
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1156 BF 1"x6"x10' in 3 hours by my self. Not counting clean up. Straight up sawing and moving 2 fork loads of trash to fire wood bucking rack.
domer siding looks good. Like the trade you made.
Bandit, You did a full day's work there, Good job. 8) 8)
Thanks cfarm, Going to be up by you Fryday at Ross to get some stuff.
I'm a working 7:30-6 that day. Enjoy the ride.
Quote from: Peter Drouin on June 15, 2016, 06:04:38 AM
Bandit, You did a full day's work there, Good job. 8) 8)
Thanks Peter
With the way am I set up for this site and the board return and logs that were as consistent as main line 16" ish power poles it was pretty easy to get there. I didnt really have to even pick up the boards. Just a bit of a lift as the pick box was filling to get one end up and slide them in.
Even the trash wood was an easy move. Slide the Heavy down on to the forks and toss the light end over. Nothing is more than 3 feet to move.
Nice tight set up
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Not the best pic but that is the bucking rack. I can dump the forks right into it. MOST of the time. A few minor mods in order for it are in the works.
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The saw dust is about 2 feet deep (about a tote and a half + worth) and I had a neighbor of the customers stop by and ask for the saw dust yesterday. They are coming today to clean it up and paying me to do it. $75 for a full tote.
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BB, I like your setup in the first pic.
Really makes it nice! 8)
Thank you Chuck and to the forum in general. Much of what I do and how I do it has been and continues to be directly influenced by the good people of this forum.
I have no idea how many years of combined experience there are here but I know I could never live long enough to gain all that experience on my own.
A very heart felt THANKYOU to ALL of you AND to Jeff for making this site availble.
BB- great job there.
How did you work out that deal where they pay you for the customer's sawdust?
Nooooooooooooo! I've reached the end of the thread.
Peter: Do you put anything on that live edge siding to preserve it?
I like the owl and the bears.
Quote from: 4x4American on June 15, 2016, 11:28:06 AM
BB- great job there.
How did you work out that deal where they pay you for the customer's sawdust?
Customer said what ever you can get is yours and they offered that price. I didn't even ask for it. I was about to say to them to go ahead and come clean it up and they could have it but they offered about half of what they were paying to get it delivered so I am not gona argue.
Can't beat that, good tip it was
Good set up you have Bandit.
grouch, No, I think I'll let it weather till I get to the silver color I want then spray it with a clear sealer.
No room when I get log trucks in and unload, Then have customers in too.
I'm waiting for someone to run into the logs and sue me. :D :D :D
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Ride to Maine today, nice ride, Came home with a truck load of stuff. Went to set up the bx6'. But I had some fixing to do first.
Pulled the mill to the barn with the welder. Fix the fangs on the clamp.
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The covers on the mill will vibrate and wear.
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Not as nice a job 4x4 would do. :D :D
Use my WM paint and good to go.
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Power wash the radiator.
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Tomorrow I will set the mill back up with the 6'bx.
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The saw is level, going to have to go up.
I wonder why WM calls, it is a 6 ' extension?
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Looks good, Peter. I tell ya, you have some great ideas, I think I will try the fangs on my mill. And yea, looks like they shorted you about a foot!
And wadaya mean, not as nice? I never paint it with WM orange, so you have me beat right there...remember, a grinder and paint will make a welder what he ain't lol
Quote from: 4x4American on June 17, 2016, 10:50:50 PM
Looks good, Peter. I tell ya, you have some great ideas, I think I will try the fangs on my mill. And yea, looks like they shorted you about a foot!
And wadaya mean, not as nice? I never paint it with WM orange, so you have me beat right there...remember, a grinder and paint will make a welder what he ain't lol
So I guess my 25 inch extension is only 2 feet short of being a 6 foot extension by those numbers.
maybe 3'? or 2' 11''?
PC
Watch out for the fangs, 4x4 If you go down with the clamp before you back the thing up , You will rip the corner off the cant. :D :D :D
The fangs will pull a cant down to the bed, if it comes up a little, If you're good. ;D
Got the bx all lined up, I use a string on the blocks so when the cant is up to them they all hit .
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I was having trouble with mill drift, After a week of milling and banging logs on and up against the mill. I would have to pull the thing back in place. :D :D
But, I hope I fixed that today. I bolted the Bx down, then put some steel up to the legs of the mill. So will see. ;D
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Fine tune tomorrow, Monday will be the test with 8x8 timbers. :D :D
Now you have to change your signature to can saw 50'. :)
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Quote from: Dave Shepard on June 18, 2016, 09:34:15 PM
Now you have to change your signature to can saw 50'. :)
You know, I did not think of that, Now I can cut to 50'. So now I have to make a mill shed with a 60' door. :D :D :D :D :D :D
You know I did measure from stop to stop without the seat, 27'
Well, you had me concerned so I went out and measured my 6' BX and mine is almost 6'.
I don't know if they shorted you or if they are now selling a 5' model.
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Jim Rogers
LOL - im glad i am not the only one staying up till the wee hours of the morning to read theses novels called forums posts..... ;D
Quote from: grouch on June 15, 2016, 04:06:08 PM
Nooooooooooooo! I've reached the end of the thread.
Peter: Do you put anything on that live edge siding to preserve it?
I like the owl and the bears.
Jim I did not count the part past the black line.
I was measuring how much cut I get. I think WM counts the last 10" of the mill that's not used when the bx is not on.
You can see you only can use 5' 3" of yours.
Quote from: Peter Drouin on June 19, 2016, 07:12:45 AM
Jim I did not count the part past the black line.
I was measuring how much cut I get. I think WM counts the last 10" of the mill that's not used when the bx is not on.
You can see you only can use 5' 3" of yours.
Yes, I agree, but you need to add back the length of the mill that you now can use past the end where it normally stops without the bed extension.
With that you gain it back.
Jim Rogers
I don't mind my mill sliding a little. I'm afraid if I bolt it down and it cant move.....something else has got to give.
:o :o :o :o :o :o :o $$$$$$
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Quote from: Peter Drouin on June 19, 2016, 07:12:45 AM
Jim I did not count the part past the black line.
I was measuring how much cut I get. I think WM counts the last 10" of the mill that's not used when the bx is not on.
You can see you only can use 5' 3" of yours.
Yes, I agree, but you need to add back the length of the mill that you now can use past the end where it normally stops without the bed extension.
With that you gain it back.
Jim Rogers
Jim has it. The exact length of the extension is the exact amount of additional cut you get.
More wood, :D :D
I find that scaling log, then putting them away, helping customers, answering the pH making deals, cleaning up the mess, I have no time to make lumber. :D :D
But I do all the sawing now what? Do I give up my saw to someone else. :D :D :D
No way, the ph will ring. :D :D
I did cut some NH Butternut the other day and get some nice Pine and hemlock. 8)
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8000 BF of W Pine.
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Some hemlock.
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You guys from away sure do have some funny looking rigs to haul your wood. ;D
The hemlock and pine looks like what I grow here.
Nice butternut :)
I like making things with it .
It works nicely and makes great wood working projects .
Note that the inner bark of fresh butternut is yellow, just like in black walnut.
WDH
Walnut and butternut seam a lot a like when I mill them in the shop .
The street I grew up on had a lot of big butternut trees but they all ended up dying .
I wonder if butternut will give me walnut burn like black walnut does? I never checked to see if it contains the Junglone toxin? I have some butternut goobers lying around to slab if ever get caught up...
Good to see you're staying busy Peter... some nice logs there!!
I have heard that all of the "nut" trees warrant CAUTION!
Thanks for the head up, Chuck...
I got in a lot of trouble with butternuts a sling shot and the trains behind my house growing up .
Maybe even a kid or two over the railroad bank on the street below .
:D :D :D I can only imagine Bruno...I wonder if you ever planted any butternuts unknowingly...
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An idea ;D
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Peter,I see that you are reclaiming your thread. Good pics.
Nice setup you have there.
I like the pantograph styled exhaust idea, keep us posted!
Quote from: 4x4American on September 20, 2016, 09:16:12 PM
Nice setup you have there.
I like the pantograph styled exhaust idea, keep us posted!
Going to run the exhaust outside. ;D
When I went to the VT Fair they had a shingle mill there. And with talking to a man, he said I need a 45 to 55 Horse engine to run the shingle mill.
I have 3 more Fairs to go to. I will talk to more guys with a mill there.
Nice talking with you the other night 4x4.
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Oops did I spill the beans? lol good talking to you too Peter..I was thinking, how hot is that plastic pipe rated for? Because diesels have much hotter EGT's (exhaust gas temperature) than gas engines do. My diesel pickup would idle down to maybe 3-400 degrees, but when put under a load, would get up as high as 1200°F or so. That 6BT could run all day at 1300 I believe, but 1350° would start melting pistons haha
4x4 the hose is for exhaust, Well the guy at the parts store said it's ok.
We will see . :D :D :D :D
Thanks for the call ;D
Tell that guy be needs to sharpen his blade. I've seen them run easily with a Farmall H. A friend of mine just brought his Chase home last week. He's going to run it off of a line shaft.
A little wood came in, Hemlock.
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Had to find a new spot to put the logs in a pile.
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5600 BF
That looks like quite a few small ones in there. What do you do with them? Lumber or do you make some cants out of them?
I get logs that are small sometimes but never as straight as those look. We make 3x4 cants and side into 4/4 so we hope for a log to make at least a 6x8 or it usually goes into the firewood pile. The only thing that is surely good about smaller logs is they are cheap on the scale.
PC
That's a nice load, Peter D
paul case, The log size is from 10" to 22". Most 12", all 8'
My market is retail only. I sell a lot of 2x4, 4x4 2x6,2x8.6x6,8x8 And more all 8'
So I have a logger will save the 8s and 10', most go in the chipper. Big mills don't want 8'logs Pine or hemlock.
I just feed into the log pile and cut the logs in a way that will give me the most . Some logs are good for 2x4s some for 6x6 and so on.
Small logs are more work. I use the Ind scale in NH And gave .25 a BF for them. $1455 load.
Sixacresand, Thanks.
Peter, do you have a Chase shingle bundler?
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Pine Man,
Nice hemlock ;D.
Quote from: Dave Shepard on September 28, 2016, 08:59:16 PM
Peter, do you have a Chase shingle bundler?
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NOOOOO :o Dose it work?
How does it work?
The board ends are adjustable to give up to six inches of variation in length. You put a one inch square piece of pine on the bottom between the"tuning forks". This piece has a piece of steel strapping on either end. Alternate layers of shingles, butt end out. Put another one inch square on top, then move the lever. This compresses the bundle allowing you to tack the pieces of strapping to the top piece of pine. I think it originally would have used wire around the bundle.
So is that a display in your house?
Quote from: Dave Shepard on September 28, 2016, 09:23:37 PM
The board ends are adjustable to give up to six inches of variation in length. You put a one inch square piece of pine on the bottom between the"tuning forks". This piece has a piece of steel strapping on either end. Alternate layers of shingles, butt end out. Put another one inch square on top, then move the lever. This compresses the bundle allowing you to tack the pieces of strapping to the top piece of pine. I think it originally would have used wire around the bundle.
Thanks for typing that out. Gotta love old technology
Quote from: Peter Drouin on September 28, 2016, 09:28:15 PM
So is that a display in your house?
No, it's in my friend's barn. The mill is going in next to it soon.
Going in the narrow bay downstairs. Old pic, there's concrete in there now. It will be run off of a line shaft.
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Peter,
Thank you for the explanation. We have to do a little different with most of small hardwood logs here. The middles of them don't make good enough lumber for framing or flooring so a lot of them get sawed into pallet stringers.
I really like to keep my logs coming in above 12'' as that is the bare minimum to make a 7x9 tie.
PC
Went to the Fair sat. And look a mill just like mine. 8)
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Dave, I could not talk the guy into selling this. :D :D
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But he had a bunch of info for me and was a big help. Even gave me a ph# to have the blade set and sharpened just 10 miles away. 8) 8)
He was from Mass and was getting calls for shingles.
I know now I need 50 horses to run the thing, I'm on the look out. :D :D :D :D :D
I thought this was cool.
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Ross was there running a 50
When I was at the WM tent Ross hit some steel in the log . He said he cut a bunch of logs with no Iron, I show up and he has nailes up the gazoo. :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Looks like a good day 8)
And you were Ross's good luck charm :D :D
Are you able to get cedar up your way for shingles?
Peter
Could you make one of the shingle bundlers ?
If you can't find one to buy .
Bruno
Quote from: Bruno of NH on October 02, 2016, 10:43:36 AM
Peter
Could you make one of the shingle bundlers ?
If you can't find one to buy .
Bruno
Yes.
Quote from: 4x4American on October 02, 2016, 09:19:06 AM
Are you able to get cedar up your way for shingles?
Not looking to cut cedar. ;D
Peter
Are you going to make pine shingles ?
Or maybe white oak ?
Mostly to be able to make shingles out of whatever the customer wants.
Just one more thing A&P Sawmill can help you with.
Think about it, With a sawmill and a shingle mill I guy can cut out a complete water tight building easily.
Quote from: Peter Drouin on October 02, 2016, 08:31:38 PM
Mostly to be able to make shingles out of whatever the customer wants.
Just one more thing A&P Sawmill can help you with.
Think about it, With a sawmill and a shingle mill I guy can cut out a complete water tight building easily.
Good point...can't beat it. So remember you were talking about getting a resaw, did the shingle mill replace that? Was is the woodmizer resaw attachment you were looking at?
Well, 4x4 I have been thinking. The sawmill is nice I have the WM single attachment it works good but slow.
The resaw WM is a good one, but I bet slow.
I'm thinking a machine to do one job fast. Not try to have the LT40 do all the jobs.
The shingle mill at the fair was a lot faster then the WM shingle attachment.
Fast is the thing for a sawmill to make money. More so in the wholesale market.
I'm in the retail market, so I can go a little easer. :D :D :D :D :D :D
So that old clunky thing from way back in the day is still faster than todays methods huh...and it bet it was cheaper back then in todays dollars
A new shingle mill I bet is real fast. Like the resaw for pallets with one man someone had up was a nice mill. To cut pallet lumber on a WM I don't know never done it never will.
A little hemlock Wednesday.
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So today with it being Thanksgiving and all . I helped Ann at 5 am to put the bird in the oven. Then off to a farmer friend of mine to get some cow pooo. We trade poo for Pine/ Hemlock saw dust..
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He bought all the lumber for the barn from A&P Sawmill. ;D
Got back and had another friend in the yard. 8)
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And a customer for some sawdust.
Have some wood to scale :D
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All I have now is inside work on the mill building to do
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Let it snow. 8) 8) :snowball:
Never a day off for you, Hemlock Man Pine Man.
Nice wood , great cow barn , and super cool sawmill yard :)
That must be the day he brought the cows home cause that is the cleanest barn I've seen, very nice!
Your yard looks great as usual, but, what gives, no snow yet??! lol lol
When you get hemlock in and you can see the heartwood is a much darker color, is that indicative of shake?
Quote from: WDH on November 24, 2016, 08:05:44 PM
Never a day off for you, Hemlock Man Pine Man.
When the money is coming in you don't stop. There will be time for the resting thing when it's -20° ;D
Quote from: Bruno of NH on November 24, 2016, 08:21:53 PM
Nice wood , great cow barn , and super cool sawmill yard :)
Thanks, I thought you were going to stop by sometime?
Quote from: 4x4American on November 24, 2016, 10:37:41 PM
That must be the day he brought the cows home cause that is the cleanest barn I've seen, very nice!
Your yard looks great as usual, but, what gives, no snow yet??! lol lol
When you get hemlock in and you can see the heartwood is a much darker color, is that indicative of shake?
We have farmers here take good care of their cows, The barn gets mucked out every day.
No on the Hemlock, A little dark is ok. I have seen Hemlock with all white wood and have shake in it .
I like a darker hart on the Hemlock, Just the way it grows here.
I thoroughly enjoy the updates on this thread, and always look forward to them.
Thank you for posting.
I'm planing on stopping in but been busy :)
That's a good thing
I need to get some bands to Belmont
Bruno
Quote from: Bruno of NH on November 25, 2016, 04:43:45 PM
I'm planing on stopping in but been busy :)
Bruno
I know what you mean, With the cold snap we have customers coming like crazy.
Nice today, Sun out, Finished up an order of live edge siding.
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See how the sawdust freezes on the wood. :D
Last 2 days, it's been doing that.
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No sawing next 2 days bring home some fire wood.
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I'll get the wood out and the logger will make another pile like that .
Peter
Watch your self out side on Friday with the wind chill it could be -15 to -35
More snow for Saturday I be in the plow truck
Back to milling next week
How much fire wood do you burn ?
Bruno
Bruno, It will be 2 to 3 years to use it all up. But it will be here to work up. Where it's going I can't get a logging truck in. So I'm using the one ton with John.
Well...hopefully it warms up in an hour or two :D
Lumber is gonna be froze right together today
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4x4 im afraid my fire would freeze at those temps :o better go back to bed wait till june :D :D :D
It is another ICE AGE up there. Glaciers are thickening. Don't get froze DUG and Pine Man.
Tell you what, yesterday was around +18F and it was cloudy and windy. Today was in the negatives and then warmed up to in between +4 and maybe +9 but it was sunny and no wind. Yesterday was miserable, today wasn't bad at all, actually a really nice day, however, once the sun went down it was more colder feeling.
High of twelvish today. I put the splitter next to the boiler and opened the door to take advantage of the radiant heat. The woodmonster is hungry in this weather.
Been sawing some Doug Fir, Pine, and Hemlock. The Doug Fir is beautiful.
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Before I knew really what I had I just used the Doug Fir for siding and purlins :(
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Holy cow no snow there.
I have been snowed out since early November.
Not that I would have sawed anyway as my helper moved to Texas on me.
going to Florida on January 4 and back in Mid April.
It was cold. But John started up and we went to work.
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I think I'm ½ way. I have a customer coming 8 AM to pick up the siding.
Then try to get to the wood lot to bring down the rest. With the 1 ton, It's parked up there.
I don't like driving John down the road in the snow. The weather man said 2 to7".
With the snow I have Red Fox tracts all over. I knew they were here eating chipmunks. ;D
I was surprised.
The tracks go over the log piles, slab piles, up the wood chip pile. And their running, 4' from print to print. :o
I had an ermine, all White with a black tip tail chase a chipmunk the other day,
Chipmunk lost the race.
4x4 is that the addition we were talking about the other day?
Petefrombearswamp I heard you guys got pounded out there in CNY. Those last pictures are from a couple days ago before we had much snow. I live 25miles east of the sawmill and there is much more snow here. We got 6-7" the other day here at home, went to the sawmill and had maybe 3-4". We need at least a foot of snow on the ground before the snow machine trails here open up. People are getting ancy and riding anyways I see.
Quote from: Peter Drouin on December 16, 2016, 07:23:38 PM
4x4 is that the addition we were talking about the other day?
Yup, sho ams
Here are some more pics Peter
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Looks good D-U-G ;D
Is that an edger outside with a black cover?
Sho' is some nice D-U-G Fir.
Are those your new sawmill wheels there?
Thanks everyone, yea that Doug Fir is stellar. I had no idea...
Peter and Dave, that's a big ten four.
She's got two on the door, six on the floor and a cupholder in the console
Quote from: 4x4American on December 16, 2016, 07:05:05 AM
Well...hopefully it warms up in an hour or two :D
Lumber is gonna be froze right together today
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That picture needs a dislike button. I would use it.
PC
D-U-G fir
That's one of my go to woods to build things with it looks great as a floor .
Bruno,
As a fellow builder,I like D Fir a lot.Porch decking,ceiling,interior stair treads,window sills,and the list goes on.What I don't like is the splinters.
It does splinter a lot and gives some nice ones to the hands and fingers
Can you believe it, First day of the year and look at what drives in.
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Some nice W Pine and hemlock to start the year. ;D
With all the ice and snow it can be a challenge piling logs.
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With the holidays just about over I guess it's back sawing :new_year:
I am 100℅ positive that log clamps were invented in the winter after a dusting of snow.
Looking good...frozen logs have anmind of their own, piling them can be a chore. I gotta truck and pup of beech coming this week and maybe a straight truck of pine
4x4
Do you cut ties or mats with the beech ?
Pine Man gets Pine on the 1st day of the year. Very appropriate ;D. They (I) don't call you Pine Man for nothing ;).
Doug, that beech is some slippery when it's froze! Bad enough when it's not.. Dropped an interesting red oak this afternoon, standing dead 32" butt. Not sure what to do with it but I've got a new box of 4degree Kascos from member Cutting Edge I'm itching to try!
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Bruno, I get the beech for ties and pallet lumber.
Bronco, that is a gnarly red oak!
Got a call earlier today have another straigh truck of beech coming later in the week. Might also get a straight truck load of pine in to saw into dimensional lumber for the logger. Got three trailers in my yard that are customers that I need to fill up for their custom orders and got a bunch of little dimensional jobs and a guy interested in a 20x30 shop. So far 2017 looks promising, knock on wood!
69bronco, You might have some nice wood in there. 8) :new_year:
4x4, That Beech is tough stuff, I was thinking about cutting a bunch into cribbing 7x8x4'.
I get carpenters want to jack up barns and such. I'm thinking any Hardwood will work.
:new_year:
Has anyone else here cut them before?
I have a friend with a hydraulic hud-son sawmill, he said he cant cut beech with it, hasnt found the right blade. but he can cut hard maple no problem.
On the other hand, I can cut beech fine, and have a hard time with hard maple.
I think beech makes some nice lumber and is an under utilized wood. It makes for great firewood
4x4 it is good firewood, I have made grade stakes with it before.
that's going to be quite a payday when that's done. also neat idea on the log mover. wish I had a hydraulic mill.. LT15 is all manual
:new_year: back to you Peter
This is how I clean the groove, I flip the auto start, then turn the key, then flip the key off when the brake is off.
With the blade off I can spin the drive wheel. I use my pocket knife with a flat screwdriver end in the wheel and the other end up against the shroud.
Gets all the stuff out.
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And while I have the b57 off I use the shroud to scrape the gunk off ;D
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Works well for me.
Cutting frozen Hemlock. 8) 8)
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Had a customer bring in some logs for me to cut for him.
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Had a log too big. Told him to cut it in ½.
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All was going good making 2x10x16, Hemlock. Not too hot out, nice day.
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Then it happens, One of the pump stop working. :o :o
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Has power, makes a lot of noise. I have new brushes coming from WM.
So I took off the wire off the junk pump and will use one till I get the parts.
Dose that make my 40 not a supper now. :D :D :D :D
Just got an order for 1200 LF of 5/4x 4" R Oak and down to one pump.
Always something :D :D :D
It was warmer there than it was here yesterday. :(
PC
You have to plug the filler hole in the non working pump, but you knew that already. ;D
Quote from: Magicman on January 06, 2017, 08:42:48 AM
You have to plug the filler hole in the non working pump, but you knew that already. ;D
I did that
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And the oil came out the running pump.
I found a set of new brushes I'm putting in. The motor is downstairs waiting for me to get off the forum. ;D
What do you think Magicman?
It did smell a little burnt. :o :D
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I cleend it up some, Looks ok,
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I have new bruches here and more comeing with some seals.
But like a dumb a$$ yankee that I am ;D
I did not include the bracket ring that holds the brushes in place with the order.
I don't think I can fix the old one,
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Mill will be down for awile.
Oh boy...at how many hours do you start stocking these on the shelf?
Yup, that brush rack assembly is toast in more ways than one and you will be fortunate if there is not a burnt winding somewhere. The armature really needs chucking up in a lathe and dressing that commutator and polishing. That certainly would help the brushes to make better contact.
Is the other hydraulic motor the same age? If so, now would be the time to rebuild them both.
I have a local supplier that has the stuff in stock so I don't have to keep them on the shelf.
Also I dont wait for mine to go. A simple load/draw test every 200 ish hours will tell you when to swap em out. The motors should be cleaned at least every 500 hours or once a year or so any way just as a part of a good house keep procedures IMHO. I have not had a set crater yet and swapped the original pump motor brushes etc when I added the second pump 1100 hrs ago. Have done 1 cleaning since with second due this spring.
Most of you will be aware that I up sized ALL my motor load circuits to #8 stranded copper when I added the second pump with the pumps on 2 OO welding cable from the batteries. ALL connections silver soldered and shrink tubed as required.
I did all the brushes in the 2 pumps last Feb. If you look the oil got in there and did a nasty. :D :D
The new seal I put in the last time.
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This is the trouble maker.
Ah Ha, another use for roofing screws Peter!
I like it!
Roofing screws and 5 gallon buckets are in the same category to me...the possible uses are endless. Throw in a pair of vise grips and you can really make some things happen :D :D
I'm thinking that I would buy a new motor. The heat probably has the
insulation value of the windings down to about nothing.
Quote from: Kbeitz on January 07, 2017, 09:23:52 AM
I'm thinking that I would buy a new motor. The heat probably has the
insulation value of the windings down to about nothing.
On Monday I'm going to the starter/altenator shop to test the thing. Then I'm calling Ross in Maine and order two new motors.
see if you had a manual mill you could save that money and still be sawing ;) :) :D 8) :-X :-X always got to have a smart ash in the group ;D :laugh:
Quote from: newoodguy78 on January 07, 2017, 08:13:47 AM
Roofing screws and 5 gallon buckets are in the same category to me...the possible uses are endless. Throw in a pair of vise grips and you can really make some things happen :D :D
My Grampa had "tool box" that went where he went.
It was Texaco 5 gallon bucket! It contained a couple of pliers, a couple of vise grips, various screw drivers, several clumps of used baling wire, a hack saw, a couple of files and a black smith hammer.
Duct tape didn't exist back then.
Forgot the Crescent wrenches!
Quote from: coxy on January 07, 2017, 02:04:36 PM
see if you had a manual mill you could save that money and still be sawing ;) :) :D 8) :-X :-X always got to have a smart ash in the group ;D :laugh:
smiley_big-grin2
Duct tape didn't exist back then. smiley_thumbsup
Quote from: Bandmill Bandit on January 07, 2017, 02:48:18 PM
Quote from: newoodguy78 on January 07, 2017, 08:13:47 AM
Roofing screws and 5 gallon buckets are in the same category to me...the possible uses are endless. Throw in a pair of vise grips and you can really make some things happen :D :D
My Grampa had "tool box" that went where he went.
It was Texaco 5 gallon bucket! It contained a couple of pliers, a couple of vise grips, various screw drivers, several clumps of used baling wire, a hack saw, a couple of files and a black smith hammer.
Duct tape didn't exist back then.
Forgot the Crescent wrenches!
Ahhhh....crescent wrenches. Aka-knuckle busters ;)
watched a farmer friend use baling twine to hold the gas tank :o in his truck after the straps rotted away went a few months like that till the twine rotted and just added more :) :)
Quote from: Kbeitz on January 07, 2017, 09:23:52 AM
I'm thinking that I would buy a new motor. The heat probably has the
insulation value of the windings down to about nothing.
Yup, Junk, That's what the El.Motor guy said.
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New motors and seals will be here Tuesday. 8) 8)
I got in the habit of tearing down starter motors to clean them when I worked for a rebuilder for 2 summers. All that conductive powder in them is a sure fire product to destroy the innards of them. It dont take much to clean them. Getting to them can be a pain sometimes but it is well worth the work.
Quote from: coxy on January 07, 2017, 07:46:56 PM
watched a farmer friend use baling twine to hold the gas tank :o in his truck after the straps rotted away went a few months like that till the twine rotted and just added more :) :)
i have seen twine used for lots of stuff but the old wire tie balers actually used steel wire. That stuff was very useful.
Quote from: Bandmill Bandit on January 09, 2017, 07:21:36 PM
Getting to them can be a pain sometimes but it is well worth the work.
It's so now I can have the two motors on the table in less than a½ hour. ;)
Is you guys talking about the same thing here? ???
I fix it 4x4 from pump to motors. ;D
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8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
You are on a roll now. smiley_thumbsup smiley_thumbsup
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8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
Hey that looks good...
Lots of people don't know that most PM 12volt motors are made
mostly buy one company. So you can go to the junkyard and pull
a 12 volt starter off a garden tractor and use most of the parts to
fix other motors. This also works with 24 volt stuff but it's much
harder to find.
Quote from: Peter Drouin on January 10, 2017, 04:24:18 PM
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I like you work bench! I have one like that too.
IF it aint broke I can probably still fix it!
You know Kbeitz, I can relate at the stuff from the junk yard. I'm a picker too ;D
But, When it comes to the mill and that's where the $$$$ comes from I go new If I can on parts.
I don't spend Hrs looking for things. Over here time is $$$. Like I only need one motor, but two new ones are going in.
The old one that's good is going on a shelf. The two old ones have over 4000hrs on them and have been rebuilt one time already.
I have a bunch of orders to get out, The first one is $875,00 of green R Oak. 5/4 x 4 x 1200'. I think I will cut all 16'. That will speed it up some. ;D
Now I'm here waiting for the sun to come up chomping at the bit. ;D smiley_horserider smiley_sun smiley_whip
The rack, This time of the year I put up ½ cord bundles.
Customers use them for making Maple syrup.
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The one on the right Is the dry stuff, That will go this spring.
I like the slab rack Peter.
Lumber, firewood slabs and chips, it all gets used. Nice system.
How do you decide what to chip and what to bundle for the syrup boilers?
. . . or is it a supply and demand type thing?
As in, you're a good guy, and they're demanding firewood? ;) :D
Do you have a "Slab Heavy" strategy?
Quote from: Andries on February 03, 2017, 07:44:01 AM
I like the slab rack Peter.
Lumber, firewood slabs and chips, it all gets used. Nice system.
How do you decide what to chip and what to bundle for the syrup boilers?
. . . or is it a supply and demand type thing?
As in, you're a good guy, and they're demanding firewood? ;) :D
All summer I chip them, Come cold weather I bundle. Frozen slabs are hard on the Morbark.
Quote from: WDH on February 03, 2017, 09:39:00 PM
Do you have a "Slab Heavy" strategy?
The pic you're looking at are 8' and the big end. The other end is even smaller. When I buy logs I cut all I can out of them. If that's what you meant. ;D ;)
Winter is the best time for me here in NH to buy wood, W Pine will last almost to Aug with no Blue or bugs. Frozen Hemlock can be hard to read Shake or rot in the log.
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Snow is coming tomorrow got to have it all scaled and put away, Can't grade a log covered with snow.
Frozen junk. :D :D :D
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Buy wood till the road bands come up. ;D
All that snow makes me cold. Brrrr...
7300 bf on the truck. ;D
Did you pay extra for that frozen mud? :D
That was a good chunk of change! Bonus mud and all!
I asked a logger who brings me a lot of low grade logs once when he came with a bunch of dirty logs if he'd charge me any extra for the sand and mud. Without skipping a beat he told me that the pulp mill never complains about any dirt or mud and he'd just as soon bring his logs there if I had a problem with it. (he's the biggest cohone buster that I know, from the time he shows up to the time he leaves, first and last thing he's doing is busting stones) I said oh so you can dish it out but can't take it huh, didn't realize you were so sensitive!
Sensitive, :D :D
Peter,
You are going to have to take sensitivity lessons :D.
Quote from: WDH on February 14, 2017, 08:13:13 PM
Peter,
You are going to have to take sensitivity lessons :D.
Ann tells me that sometimes, I tell it how it is, No sugar coating from me. ;D ;)
You are just a sweetie pie Peter. Oh wait! Yesterday was Valentine Day. YOYO today!! (you're on your own)
Peter
That's the Bricklayer/Mason in ya
Telling it like it is :D :D
Went to order more wood. ;D
This logger moves wood, Has a Tigercat cutting trees bunching like carrots. Two Cat grapples skidders pulling feeding the crain. slasher and chipper.
Hes putting some Hemlock together for me.
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The chipper looks new.
Nice setup, it good when the big boys can work with you.
Boy oh Boy, when the temp goes up, wood moves. :D :D :D
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Ice melting snow going Maple sap running, If it keeps up, The road bands will go up.
2 today, looks to be around 14,000+ bf.
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Have to pile it, No room to spread it out, till I scale it all. Have more coming tomorrow.
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Got wood. ;D
Nice to have a thaw. That logger has an impressive operation.
Looking good Peter, getting logs in is my favorite, except when it comes time to pay up lol
Quote from: 4x4American on February 20, 2017, 06:27:13 PM
Looking good Peter, getting logs in is my favorite, except when it comes time to pay up lol
This time of the year, Money is tight, but, I can't sell lumber with an empty cart. ;D
Those look like some nice slick logs you got coming in. NICE!
PC
Quote from: paul case on February 20, 2017, 07:46:16 PM
Those look like some nice slick logs you got coming in. NICE!
PC
Up here winter is the best time to cut W Pine and Hemlock. So I don't have to spray water on them like the bigger mills do . In fact I had a log buyer stop by to see my setup. His mill cuts 100,000 BF a day. smiley_dizzy That's a lot of wood. We did have a good talk.
Is there a good time of the year for you to get logs?
I know you sell logs too. You must go through a lot of them.
I am able to get logs all year around. No road restrictions or anything like that. However many of the loggers here also have cattle and will take time off in the summer to bale hay, some custom cut fescue seed as well. You have to be ready for that.
I only sell logs when we are getting way more in that we can cut in a timely fashion. They dont go bad so much as If there is a lot coming in I have to have a lot more money to keep buying them. I want to buy them so I sell off the higher dollar ones and keep the cheaper ones. We cut primarily oak. On grade oak logs the sapwood can stain in the hotter weather which will cut it back one grade. That can be a $.50 bdft difference. So those grade logs need sawn relatively quickly and shipped. From October on through April they can stand to be stacked up and wait a little bit longer.
I've got the same problem with local loggers here, when the hay is ready they stop until the season is over, sometimes a month or more.
Paul, Do you have room to but new logs on one side of the pile and take from the other side?
I actually do but I chose to do it another way.
We never seem to get a load of logs that are all grade and 1 species or that are all tie logs. So I spend some time sorting them after I scale them. We can store 3 or 4 TT loads inside. I use the forklift to stack them up against the wall on cants. That still leaves us room to drive through the middle of the building. Our mills are 150ft in the building. The building is 400 x 40. The only thing is our door is 11' and the ceilings are a little short but we manage.
I also stack some outside but they will be like maybe a semi load in each pile. Once we start on a pile we try to finish it. Right now we are pretty fresh on logs as we dont have any that are older than 60 days.
Here is an old pic of the lot in front of the mill shed.
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I think there is 8 or ten acres to stack logs here. I have not used all of it that way but I have it if I need it.
PC
How is anyone gonna know there's a sawmill there without logs and lumber stacked to the moon lol
Nice to have all that room. Logs inside, Never heard of that before. What is the longest log you buy?
Wow Paul, 400 ft long bldg, and 10 acres for the mill yard I am very jealous.
My yard is short of 1-1/2 acres and my storage bldg is 32x36 for lumber and machinery only.
But I dont usually have a lot of log inventory maybe 10- 15 mbf.
If i ever get ambitious and learn how to post ill put some pics on.
Snow is going fast as i type, but winter due here next week again.
Got back from FL last Saturday with 2' of snow but only about 8 10 inches now.
I usually dont open until April, but perhaps can get going earlier this year.
Getting the itch to make sawdust.
Well I guess I would buy whatever shows up, but I like to saw ties and they are 8'8'' and I have a market for some 3x4 cants 10''4'', so I buy a lot of 10' 6'' logs. If I am making ties and only have 10' logs I make a stick of firewood.
Long story shortened, I like 10'6''. Fits through the door and can make everything I have a good market for from them.
Yeah I like to keep it inside. I hear''We didnt even know there was a sawmill here'' a lot even though there is a sign on the gate that says''SAWMILL''. It doesnt matter to me if they know I am here. I do sell a lot of firewood and slab bundles during the winter to people that happen by, but lumber rarely sells that way for me. I have had as much as 400 RR ties and 3 TT loads(12,000 ft) of logs stacked up inside before. It sure is nice not to deal with soaking wet slabs or iced over logs. It helps them not dry out so quick in the summer too. Oh and my hard tired forklifts dont do so well outside when the lot gets real wet or snow covered.
Those pictures are old. There is almost always logs and slabs and pallets of firewood piled up outside now as well.
PC
All 8' and 10' for your market, Nice, Me I have them 8' to 24' in the yard for my market. ::) :D
I bet that grapple on the JD is handy on them long ones. I have issues on some ten ft logs.
PC
It can be, But, It is heavy, I have to lift less lbs with it. I'm looking at a 2001 Cat Telehandler good for 8000 lbs.
Then I can pile the logs 40' high. :D :D
Lumber going out most of the day like this today.
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Paul, Do you get wrinkles too?
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Frozen saw dust when it thaws out. :D :D ;D ;)
It has happened but I wont tell you where I get them wrankles.
PC
Peter I highly reccommend Cat, they have been awesome to deal with. Very accomadating. I even used Cat Financial for the backhoe because it was easy and their rate was good. I didn't have to go anywhere either, the sales guy came out to my yard multiple times and we did all the paperwork on the back of my pickup truck lol. And when I need parts he drives them out to me at no extra charge, because he lives nearby. Plus they make top notch equipment.
Quote from: paul case on February 23, 2017, 07:31:06 PM
It has happened but I wont tell you where I get them wrankles.
PC
:D :D :D I DO NOT WANT TO KNOW Paul. :D :D :D :D :o yikes_smiley
Yes 4x4, Get the best and the heck with the rest, But, Deere is right there too.
The thing with Cat is you can get Cat parts forever.
I was told, Monday it's going up.
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Sawed some pine "logs" today that'd make the pine man jealous!
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Did I say logs? I meant chopsticks..
Whoever can guess what they're going to be used for wins one (1) piece of sawdust from my sawmill.
Get in line and be respectful now, hear?
fence rails or d-log siding?
Negatory Bandit!
well it is either wall treatment or fence rails....
Nope.
I can feel the tension, everybody wants to win that piece of sawdust!
It's a Federal program to help support lazy Beavers. ;D
I am jealous, I'd get $10.00 for each one I cut. ;D
Siding...?
A birdhouse for a pterodactyl.
I know but I won't be the spoiler :)
The piece of sawdust is priceless
Quote from: Peter Drouin on February 26, 2017, 06:08:15 AM
I am jealous, I'd get $10.00 for each one I cut. ;D
Good grief, then you would have gotten $370. I just did it hourly as it was customers logs and it took two hrs so I made half a million
Well 4x4 If you sold them, Would you not want at least $5.00 apiece for a ½ log.
Where else would a guy buy them? Or get them cut?
When I call to get my truck fixed,or call the gas or oil company, they want Big $$$$ What would a man get to come and fix the Cat backhoe you have. I bet at least $150.00 an hour.
I mean no disrespect to you, But I'm done working for Less than $100.00 an hour.
Well he could get them at Petteys Lumber, 5 min away, Mead Lumber, 10min away, Northern Hardwoods, 20min away, or have one of the 20 little guys like me who have sawmills within a 15 mile radius of me do it. I'm his neighbor though so I think thats why he chose me.
I got $150 to do it and we were both happy. I'm still figuring out pricing stuff out, half the time I'm thinking I'm charging too much and then the other half I feel not enough. I tell some people my hourly rate and they think I'm outta this world expensive. And then other people don't even care. To me my hourly rate is profitable and it's easy enough to count hours so that's what I did for this one. Plus I enjoyed the challenge, and set a new record for myself of the smallest log ever sawed on my mill.
Are you saying you'd sell them for $10/each or saw the customers logs for $10/ea?
So they are half logs and I wIN the prize?????
PC
I think they are logs that the bugs will eat . He better get to peeling before June .
Quote from: Gearbox on February 26, 2017, 09:50:24 AM
I think they are logs that the bugs will eat . He better get to peeling before June .
He and his wife said they were gonna go start peeling that night. Mud season activities lol
10 to cut.
Quote from: paul case on February 26, 2017, 09:44:48 AM
So they are half logs and I wIN the prize? ??? ?
PC
Nope!! lol I know you want that piece of sawdust real bad to add to your collection. Maybe frame it and hang on the wall. Who knows it might even be walnut :o
I'm guessing they are using them for rustic furniture. Though, here in Virginia a half round post for fencing is pretty darn common but I think you already did a thumbs down on fencing- besides they are not treated.
So, some sort of rustic furniture/crafts sort of project.
Fun contest!
To start a good fire 4x4. ;D :D
Bridge flooring ?
I have seen the day when I would be building a fort for the grandkids. :snowball1: :snowfight1:
Tomato cages. :D
Corduray, as in laid down in a muddy section of a wood road.
Man it's getting tense, still wrong!! I thought it'd be obvious but I guess not, I'll give a hint, it's not going to be used as footware.
Ceiling logs...
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I did some ERC similar to that last year, some of which was to be used as battens.
Bridges,a trail walk way?
Nope, I'm thinking I'm just gonna have to spill the beans, eh?
bean hole bean wood.
Rustic cabin trim. ;D
A bridge over mud?
Quote from: plowboyswr on February 26, 2017, 06:47:45 PM
Rustic cabin trim. ;D
Bingo! 8)
Either a good guess or you found my facebook page lol
Better get on a plane, that piece of sawdust is FOB sawmill lol
How is rustic cabin trim different tha D-Log siding?
I still think it is for a pterodactyl bird house. Hurry and saw and dry it before it goes extinct.
Quote from: Bandmill Bandit on February 26, 2017, 07:23:48 PM
How is rustic cabin trim different tha D-Log siding?
one is more expensive ;)
He's not using it for d-log siding he's using it for finish carpentry work inside his cabin. I asked what he's using it for, no soup for you!
Quote from: WDH on February 26, 2017, 07:54:02 PM
I still think it is for a pterodactyl bird house. Hurry and saw and dry it before it goes extinct.
When he first asked me to do this, that is exactly the first thing I figured he was using it for. Shocked me too when he said trim. Didn't see it coming.
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Quote from: plowboyswr on February 26, 2017, 06:47:45 PM
Rustic cabin trim. ;D
Bingo! 8)
Either a good guess or you found my facebook page lol
Better get on a plane, that piece of sawdust is FOB sawmill lol
I found your FB page earlier, that's why I didn't guess.;)
Tomorrow I'm going a couple hrs north to look at a pallet chop saw at another sawmill. And I happened to get an order from a repeat customer for delivery thats fairly nearby, so I cut out 5 doug fir timbers for him today to bring tomorrow. I love having the truck loaded both ways. Best part is last time I delivered to him I was able to bring
back some burly roller tables from a different sawmill on the VT side.
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I still think that it is for a pterodactyl. He must be a paleo-archeologist.
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Quote from: 4x4American on February 26, 2017, 07:02:49 PM
Quote from: plowboyswr on February 26, 2017, 06:47:45 PM
Rustic cabin trim. ;D
Bingo! 8)
Either a good guess or you found my facebook page :D
Better get on a plane, that piece of sawdust is FOB sawmill :D
I found your FB page earlier, that's why I didn't guess. ;)
Did you click on the link below my avatar? lol
No, you were a suggested link on my FB page.
Ohhh...that fb I tell ya, it's something else
We stayed in a cabin in Kalispell, Montana where all of the inside door/window trim was such as that.
Quote from: 4x4American on February 26, 2017, 07:02:49 PM
Quote from: plowboyswr on February 26, 2017, 06:47:45 PM
Rustic cabin trim. ;D
Bingo! 8)
Either a good guess or you found my facebook page lol
Better get on a plane, that piece of sawdust is FOB sawmill lol
I found your facebook quite a while back. And hold on to that Dust for me. :D
Quote from: Magicman on February 26, 2017, 10:20:41 PM
We stayed in a cabin in Kalispell, Montana where all of the inside door/window trim was such as that.
Shoulda guessed it, that sawdust piece coulda been yours! Plus you coulda stopped at my neighbors sugarhouse for a gallon of maple syrup on the way!
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Quote from: 4x4American on February 26, 2017, 07:02:49 PM
Quote from: plowboyswr on February 26, 2017, 06:47:45 PM
Rustic cabin trim. ;D
Bingo! 8)
Either a good guess or you found my facebook page :D
Better get on a plane, that piece of sawdust is FOB sawmill :D
I found your facebook quite a while back. And hold on to that Dust for me. :D
I'll take good care of it lol
Do you ship? :D
The postage stamp would be bigger than the envelope.
???
That time of the year.
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2 ½ cord bundles of dry Pine&Hemlock slabs for boiling Maple syrup on the truck.
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Quote from: paul case on February 20, 2017, 07:46:16 PM
Those look like some nice slick logs you got coming in. NICE!
PC
Up here winter is the best time to cut W Pine and Hemlock. So I don't have to spray water on them like the bigger mills do . In fact I had a log buyer stop by to see my setup. His mill cuts 100,000 BF a day. smiley_dizzy That's a lot of wood. We did have a good talk.
Is there a good time of the year for you to get logs?
I know you sell logs too. You must go through a lot of them.
I had a log buyer from the same outfit stop by my mill today. Wanted to check out my operation and see if I would buy some logs from them.
Quote from: 4x4American on February 26, 2017, 09:17:51 AM
I'm still figuring out pricing stuff out, half the time I'm thinking I'm charging too much and then the other half I feel not enough. I tell some people my hourly rate and they think I'm outta this world expensive. And then other people don't even care. To me my hourly rate is profitable and it's easy enough to count hours so that's what I did for this one.
I've come to that point that I no longer care ;) This is my rate, period, end of discussion. I figure the local autoshop charges $95 and hour and you either go to him or not so my $85/hr when I come to you is more than reasonable since I have the $30k mill and $30k truck plus tools, maintenance etc etc etc (as we all do) and either it's profitable for me to do this thing I love for others, or I just do it for myself ;)
I suppose since I have another job it's easier on me but I'm finding now that I'm happy with my rate that it doesn't matter to me at all if someone thinks I'm too high, they probably would have thought that for half the price too ;) I just want the customers that understand what I offer and are willing to pay for it and so far I've been successful with that philosophy which I learned right here on FF thanks to members like MM and Peter and others.
Well said, Marine.
Hi 4x4 and OlJarhead, Good you two keep the price up to where you can make a living at this game. :D :D I get the look when tell the customers I get $100.00 an hr just for the mill.
With the crazy weather this spring, some jobs can be a job if you know what I mean.
One day It can be like this.
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Then,
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With the Good weather the Timber Frames orders are coming in.
Some are 8"x18"x16' and a bunch of 8"x10"
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But digging out the logs can be trying at times.
More logs under the ice and snow. ::)
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All in all, things are looking like a good year.
Have one customer having to wait till the road bans come off so he can bring over 2 + loads of logs for his timber frame. [Trees came off his land]
Best of luck to you too. 8) 8) 8) 8) :D ;)
I'm always amazed at how much you mill Peter! :o 8)
I'm doing some timber framer stuff this weekend and some barn wood (meaning, milling for someone wanting to make a barn). Should be fun since all the logs are big logs -- the guy bought them from the plywood mill since they can't mill anything over 24" they just sell them to whomever wants them.
I get some good and not so good logs in, But, This W Pine 12"x12"x16' with 4 clear faces don't come all the time,
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And yes, I did cut them in ½ .
:o Thats not something you see everyday! 8) Big $ there
Sweet looking stuff Peter
My first spring sawing job is behind me. It was a very good job and a lot of fun with a lot of real good logs. 18 hours sawing time for just over 6200 BF.
I have a 30 second time lapse that spans about 15 minutes of sawing that I would like to up load but I can't get it to upload. Am I doing some thing wrong or are time lapse vids not allowed?
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Bandit,
Think your time lapse video will have to be uploaded to You Tube like any other video and then link to it here in a Forum post...
Herb
Nice logs there Bandmill Bandit, Logs like that are fun to cut. smiley_thumbsup
It's starting, Just when I'm all most done sticking a full pallet of lumber someone buys them all.
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Third time I tried to fill the pallet in 2 days.
Loggers are out too. ;D
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Some small logs, but, the quality is nice.
I have 2 or 3 loads of pine coming tomorrow. [customers logs from his land]
Have a house, barn, and maybe a carriage house too. Big timber frame from 8' to 30'
I'll get some pics.
Hay 4x4, Think if I put a belt on the feed out roller and over the small roller I have a power belt going away. :D ;D
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just cut the steel down to get the belt under the drive roller.
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A belt would ride over the rest of them.
That'd a good idea peter, I'd be curious to see what bearing breaks first lol
If you were to constantly feed it wouldn't the boards push each other out of the way? With a belt you may need a crown on the rollers to get the belt to track. Also would need to be able to slide the rollers to add tension. I think it'd be worth a shot, but prolly gonna need to change the outsidemost roller to something different for aforementioned reasons. Don't make the belt very tight, just enough to move itself.
no need for crown or concave rollers we gad one 45' long one time set up and it ran fine but the drive roller and the end roller on opposite end have to be perfectly square or the belt will walk off to one side so one end has to be adjustable :) most belts are built with a flat piece of steel and only 2 rollers one on each end :) i have a 40' and a 18-20' that are built with the metal instead of rollers :)
I see the roller turning and had a thought ;D
When I talked to Cat about a hydro pump, They told me to put a pulley on it to run it. If my Cat 1.1 was bigger, Cat has a gear driven pump that will bolt on the motor.
The timber frame came today.
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30'ones think I have 6.
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The trucker said he was coming back tomorrow with the purling. say_what news to me. :D :D
Guess 1/2 to 3/4 a truck load.
Small logs, like 6" ID. Have to cut one face on them.
You need a new seat :)
Quote from: Bruno of NH on April 26, 2017, 07:03:19 PM
You need a new seat :)
I was thinking the same thing :D :D
But I didn't say anything. :-X
What's wrong with the seat that's on it! ;)
I just got it broken in. Anyhow, I have no money for a new one, I can't even buy some new jeans Like Paul Case did. ;D
I'll chip in for a roll of duct tape for his seat! I got a quarter! Who's with me? :D
Hey now!
PC
How do you know what ole Paul's got on for britches?? lol lol
Quote from: 4x4American on April 26, 2017, 10:27:57 PM
How do you know what ole Paul's got on for britches?? lol lol
He put up a pic of them with a big $$ belt on too.
Holy cow what's it pick on Paul night lol, must be you like him ifn you're pickin on em
Oh lol lol lol I seem that pic, yea with the bungee cord for anbelt lol lol
I bet when he's sitting down the bungee is holding something on the mill. :D
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And I took the picture at a Chickin Crispin. You are looking that the jeans and bungee, but I'm looking at that stuffed wallet!!! :o
Hey Paul you missed a loop hey
The point of the bungee cord was to keep my pants up. That's good for me and youall too. I could no longer put up with a stiff leather belt that cut into my middle when i was sitting down a lot. That lil round cord didn't hurt at all. I don't mind getting a chuckle anyhow.
When I am working, I am built for comfort, not speed.
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Arkansas leisure suit. Bibbs is where it is at man. Loose your waist line in nothing flat.
PC
Always good to work comfortable ;)
That's me. I was built for comfort not speed.
PC
Purlins, :laugh: :laugh:
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look a little big,
And more saw logs, Made a deal on the rest, with the logger.
More tomorrow.
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MM- I am just jealous of Paul's converted chicken house sawmill building not the belt or wallet. He's the only man I know with no need for more buildings. Wallet, well I have seen fatter. But that chicken house for wood storage...that tops the list.
It's nice that you have tree coverage around so at least they aren't getting hammered by sun all day long. My logs/lumber get some serious sun/wind exposure. I would love to build a big wall to block out the sun and wind, and make the mexican gov't pay for it some how lol
Quote from: paul case on April 27, 2017, 08:55:57 PM
That's me. I was built for comfort not speed.
PC
And as you get older the speedy thing goes down too.
Quote from: 4x4American on April 27, 2017, 09:02:45 PM
It's nice that you have tree coverage around so at least they aren't getting hammered by sun all day long. My logs/lumber get some serious sun/wind exposure. I would love to build a big wall to block out the sun and wind, and make the mexican gov't pay for it some how lol
All winter cut, That's why I bought the rest of the logs. They will last a while. ;D
Quote from: nativewolf on April 27, 2017, 09:02:01 PM
MM- I am just jealous of Paul's converted chicken house sawmill building not the belt or wallet. He's the only man I know with no need for more buildings. Wallet, well I have seen fatter. But that chicken house for wood storage...that tops the list.
That is a funny thing too. I sell all my lumber green. I just don't try to dry any of it, but I can store 2 TT loads of logs inside and very seldom do my gloves get wet from a cold wet slab. The one big drawback to the building is the door. 11'. My tie buyer says it is weird to come to my place and go inside to buy ties. I have had 2 1/2 TT loads of ties inside ready to go at one time.
It sure is nice to be able to saw in the ummm.... more like when it is raining.
If you was going to build one for sawmilling it would look different for sure, but I am just using what I have. The other 3 are full of hay and farm equipment.
PC
True, Paul I love your setup. How come you don't make a bigger opening?
Quote from: paul case on April 27, 2017, 08:59:39 AM
The point of the bungee cord was to keep my pants up. That's good for me and youall too. I could no longer put up with a stiff leather belt that cut into my middle when i was sitting down a lot. That lil round cord didn't hurt at all. I don't mind getting a chuckle anyhow.
When I am working, I am built for comfort, not speed.
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Arkansas leisure suit. Bibbs is where it is at man. Loose your waist line in nothing flat.
PC
paul bibs is what i was gonna recommend when i saw the bungee cord :) but it see you already figured that out :D its all i wear except for sundays to church ;)
peter looks like you should busy for a day or 2 8)
Bibs are work clothes. Jeans e/w bungee are Sunday go to meeting clothes. ;D
Exactly.
Nice logs Peter.
Why do you say that those logs are a little big for stringers?
PC
The builder was talking 6", Most are 8 to10" All the old barns here are 4 or 5".
Just to hold the 1" boards up between the rafters.
Wow. I guess I am some kinda dumb on what you are talking about. I think I know but a picture would settle me for sure.
PC
I'm lost too..to me, a purlin is a nailer that sits on top of the rafters to nail tin too. Maybe you're just 2 facing them for him?
The roof beams from the top of the wall to the ridge are 12' apart, the purlins go left to right 4' on center then they lay 1" on top. The purlins will have one face cut flat, roof side. When you stand inside and look up you will see the round 3 faces.
I don't have a pic,
smiley_thumbsup
It's popular in log home building too
3 round sides one flat that the boards nail to
Maybe this will help. You can see the purlin supported on each end. It spans across to the other side and supports the rafters: LINK (http://engineersedge.com/civil_engineering/purlin_roof_structure_9898.htm)
Got it.
The problem is that I hear the roof nailers called purlins when the rafters are spread apart. Not too uncommon for wood barn structures here to only have a truss every 8 or 10 feet and 2x4 on edge between or on top of them for nailers/purlins. Red iron barns often have a 20' stretch.
That is here and we have 18'' of snow every so often.
PC
Quote from: 4x4American on April 28, 2017, 06:28:17 AM
True, Paul I love your setup. How come you don't make a bigger opening?
We try the door opening every time we saw 12' logs. Just not very often for us. 8'8'' and 10'6'' are normal sizes for us.
I didn't want to hijack Peter's thread, but this has been fun HUH?
PC
Magicman, that is a purlin plate, which runs the entire length of the building and supports the rafters mid-span. What Peter is describing is a principal rafter, commin purlin roof. There are four principal rafters, often as part of a truss, and then short purlins that run between the rafters.
And then we call the ~14½" blocks between our studs, "purlins". Maybe they are or maybe it's local?
There are regionalisms for sure, but we are also dealing with the difference between conventional framing and timber framing. Not everything translates.
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One thing I've learned about Construction is that what you call any particular component depends so where you're standing on this globe, and what you're building.
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this is the way i was taught :)
its called lath on a stick building where the rafters are 16 or 24 centers and when they are 1x4 or 1x6 nailed down flat :) around here the most common use of purlins ( as far as the name ) is on metal buildings and are set 5' apart :)
around here the blocks between the studs/floor joists that mm described are called hobbles it is amazing how different it can be from one area to the next :)
Here, we simply call purlins "roof boards"!
Kbeitz: Put those on the walls and they become girts. :)
I'm cutting a timber frame, too. Loads four and five today. My yard is officially plogged.
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I didn't want to hijack Peter's thread, but this has been fun HUH?
PC
All are welcome to post all they want in a day cutting wood
Dave you have some long ones there. :o :o
Can you show some pics of you cutting some?
Last load today.
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Quote from: redprospector on April 29, 2017, 01:56:56 PM
One thing I've learned about Construction is that what you call any particular component depends so where you're standing on this globe, and what you're building.
Kinda like common names for trees.
Man you guys make me feel like a slacker with all those logs!
Quote from: OlJarhead on May 02, 2017, 01:56:27 PM
Man you guys make me feel like a slacker with all those logs!
My logs are in one place, your logs are in a different spot is all. ;D
We all see the work you do and slacker is not what comes to mind.
Llke you I cut on the road too. [With all it's avengers] :D ;)
Now i'm in one spot and liking it.
Had a Friend stop by to say Hi.
4x4 and I had a good visit.
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Said he just delivered some Maple down the street. :D
Well I see ya got a tool in his hand but no evidence of any work since there isnt a log anywhere in that picture?
PC
Man, look at how handsome that guy on the left is :D
I wish I could have visited for longer, seems like we could go on for hours and never hit the same subject twice.
People, the place is looking good, I had to do a RFFSVV (Randomized-Forestry-Forum-Sawdust-Verification-Visit) to make sure Peter is fulfilling his sawdust inoculation quota. I'm happy to report he passed the test with flying colors. We also searched the place for grits and could find not one grit. And we knew we were in the great white north as we saw snow on top of Killington yet as we passed by.
I was happy to deliver some hard maple lumber to his neighbor :D :D
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Quote from: paul case on May 02, 2017, 08:14:01 PM
Well I see ya got a tool in his hand but no evidence of any work since there isnt a log anywhere in that picture?
PC
Well geez Paul,they sawed all the logs and stickered the lumber and than put it away behind them.
I guess he did all the work you could expect from a inspector.
PC
Quote from: paul case on May 02, 2017, 08:14:01 PM
Well I see ya got a tool in his hand but no evidence of any work since there isnt a log anywhere in that picture?
PC
:D :D :D :D smiley_thumbsup
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Quote from: paul case on May 02, 2017, 08:14:01 PM
Well I see ya got a tool in his hand but no evidence of any work since there isnt a log anywhere in that picture?
PC
:D :D :D :D smiley_thumbsup
How you know we didn't roll all the logs out of the camera's focus with them pv's. lol
See you made it home ok. move_it
Yes sir. My trip meter said 10 hrs, 450ish miles and 14.7 mpg. I got better fuel mileage on the 70mph speed limit highways. Did you see my earlier post?
Sounds like a very successful trip, plus the meeting was icing on the cake. 8)
4X4American,
I like your truck!
Quote from: WDH on April 30, 2017, 09:59:19 AM
Quote from: redprospector on April 29, 2017, 01:56:56 PM
One thing I've learned about Construction is that what you call any particular component depends so where you're standing on this globe, and what you're building.
Kinda like common names for trees.
Yep, exactly!
Quote from: Dakota on May 03, 2017, 08:48:05 AM
4X4American,
I like your truck!
Sell it to ya! lol ain't mine yet...
They did a pretty good job with it I'd say. The CM bed sho ams purdy
You guys had a party and didn't invite me :(
No party today, Hydro pump on the Morbark.
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Not supposed to be in two pieces. ::)
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Tapered lock not sure how it comes apart,
We had one like that on a hay baler. You had to screw bolts down in 2 holes and it pushes it off or was it one?
Did any of them have set screws in them?
PC
Check this out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fT4axK3haQ0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fT4axK3haQ0)
Thanks guys, smiley_thumbsup
I'm off to get a new one. Without the chipper, things will get plugged up. ;D
Great work, just read through it. Making me want a WM, but I'll stick with my Hudson. A more automated mill would be a hard sell at home.
At home was the easiest place to get support for a new mill for me. 3 times.
They had to help me or listen to me gripe about the old so they were all for it.
PC
Quote from: paul case on May 03, 2017, 10:27:44 PM
Did any of them have set screws in them?
PC
Has two. I will do as the video.
Have a new one coming Tusday $ 225.00 ship to me, UPS
Did not have time today to pull the pulley apart, with customers, sawing and getting logs moved around, made room for him to unload.
Hemlock, mostly 16's some 12's
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Now to get it all scaled before Fridays rain. If I had a long bird house Like Mr Case, I could do it all inside.
;D
If you do it as in the video, you can't be usin' any set screws, you have to use grub screws. :D
Lots of nice logs you got there.
I meant Grub screws, I only called them set screws to see if you would listen to what I mean instead of what I typed. :-\ sorry about that!
I have thought that if my saw shed was only 20' tall them picker trucks could just unload inside :D :D :D :D
I would be thrilled to see a load of logs come in as we sawed out of oak logs today. I think we may have some come in Monday afternoon. The rain we got last Saturday amounted to 8'' and Tuesday night we got another 2'' so getting anything out of the woods is going to be slow and sloppy.
PC
Could you not take 20' at a time and lift the roof and walls together and add 10' to the bottom.
I have seen that done by high winds before but it all came down at once in a big pile cause there wasnt anyone there to put the extra poles under it. :D :D :D :D ;D
I am like you i have to scale them before I pile them up, so unloading inside would only work if I scaled them before they got hauled here. Most of my logs come from within 20 miles. Some of them I have to buy on the landing so the landowner gets his money before the logs leave. Some of those I haul myself on the gooseneck and some I hire done, it just depends on the situation.
I think if you did build a building ''big enough'' to unload under, someone would come up with another loader that got 2'' too tall to use inside.
PC
2" too tall would be my luck.
My problem now is room, two more loads. ::) :D
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Some 26' for an order.
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show off ::) just kidding looks like you will be busy for a while :) smiley_thumbsup
I'm always jealous of the yard pictures... trucks rolling in loaded with logs. Around here the only way to make that happen is do it ourselves. It sure would be nice to just pick up the phone and say "send me". Sad part about being the last mill left standing locally is that when the mills went the contractors went with them.
30'
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Did a bunch, Be done Tuesday on the long stuff, The rest 16' and shorter.
My house is going to need a 30' beam, too bad you live so far away.
You can add your 6' extension to that all too and maybe start to compete with dave shepard lol
Is he trying to make up for something or just make us look bad by sawing logs that long?
PC
Likely he's just compensating.
Quote from: 4x4American on May 09, 2017, 06:21:53 AM
You can add your 6' extension to that all too?
Yes.
Quote from: nativewolf on May 09, 2017, 08:55:08 AM
Likely he's just compensating.
Maybe, maybe not.
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More wood,
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Had a friend stop by to say Hi,
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Mr coopers hawk,
I cut some beams today, and the logs are a little small for the size of the beam the customer wants.
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I see some mills not only separated by length. Some also go with diameter too.
So if I need a 6x6 I can go to a small log pile, [8" to 12"] get a log and cut and not have a bunch of overrun,
Separating 16'
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Well, that's the idea. :D :D
On your shed, the roof rafters, what size are they? 3"x6"? Are they set on 4' center? I am planning on a roof line like that for mine. I could use the extra height to let out heat in the summer. No snow load down here in the south.
6x6 4' oc
Thanks. I'm thinking true 3x6 should work for me. Set them 24" oc. Will install a metal roof.
I am guessing you never have snow Fish, so I bet you are right. Peter has SNOW so he has to go a bit heavier made.
PC
We get a dusting about once or twice every 10 years or so. :D
Yeah, but fishfighter has to build for skeeter load. You get a flock of those suckers, like he grows 'em, landing on the roof and it may as well be a foot of snow.
I ain't never been to Louisiana but I have labor ived places in California where the skeeters are that bad. Skeeter Load is a term actually used in the Lasson County building code. :D
DanG skeeters can get bad at times. As wet as this winter was and maybe only 6 days below 30F, I see they going to be extra bad this summer. :(
I have blood work done once a week, but with the skeeters, that adds about 3-4 times a week. Hope those suckers come down with heart failure too! ;D
We have a few skeeters here, they're not out yet, But they don't bother none.
More 12x12x30'
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last 30'.
Peter, do you sell lumber or just collect it?
Quote from: POSTONLT40HD on May 11, 2017, 09:38:29 PM
Peter, do you sell lumber or just collect it?
Can't sell a thing with an empty cart. ;D
Quote from: Peter Drouin on May 11, 2017, 09:06:54 PM
last 30'.
Then just go ahead and sell the bed extension! :D
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last 30'.
Then just go ahead and sell the bed extension! :D
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No way, that thing makes me over $100 an hour. :D ;)
One of those days cutting wood, Busy in the morning and a wege at the end of the day. ::) ::) :D
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I believe you is usin werds that I dont know, so I will bite. Is that a weggie or what does wege mean?
It looks like you have been busy.
PC
wedge? is the word.
Ima guessin that the trucks got wedged in there and they probably had to fight to the death to get out and Peter gets the losers truck. Pert near close eh
The top board is 1½" on one end, and a ¼" on the other. ::)
Ohhh is that what that's a picture of
It takes a lot of skill to cut those long wedges :D.
Quote from: Peter Drouin on May 16, 2017, 05:52:52 AM
The top board is 1½" on one end, and a ¼" on the other. ::)
I've never done that........ (old saying)......
Me neither. Never done that.......... more than twice in the same day.
Thanks for clearing that up.
PC
The trick to sawing those wedges is making it look like you meant to do it, when the customer is watching. ::)
Must be a really thick door jamb you're shimming.
Quote from: Peter Drouin on April 29, 2017, 09:58:59 PM
I didn't want to hijack Peter's thread, but this has been fun HUH?
PC
All are welcome to post all they want in a day cutting wood
Dave you have some long ones there. :o :o
Can you show some pics of you cutting some?
Last load today.
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I'm just getting into the long stuff this week. I'm surprised the Kubota picked up those 34' logs.
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Nice looking wood.
Do you cut the side boards down to an easy to handle size?
Yes, it will be used for board and batten. I use my Milwaukee cordless circ saw to cut to length.
If it is a nice day on a Saturday, I move the lumber out of the barn.
That way my customers can get their wood on their own.
With bad weather I bring the wool out when someone want's some.
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And while the lumber is out I work on the shead when I can.
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All in a day cutting wood. ;D
Great idea
I bet you are busy on Saturdays
Nice set up
I like your big rocks and hill. I am flat here.
Quote from: POSTONLT40HD on May 21, 2017, 09:30:20 AM
I like your big rocks and hill. I am flat here.
Napping?
Quote from: POSTONLT40HD on May 21, 2017, 09:30:20 AM
I like your big rocks and hill. I am flat here.
Crazy people in my neck of the woods pay big money for rocks like that. :o Just crazy. :D
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Quote from: POSTONLT40HD on May 21, 2017, 09:30:20 AM
I like your big rocks and hill. I am flat here.
Crazy people in my neck of the woods pay big money for rocks like that. :o Just crazy. :D
Selling rocks???? I wonder what the trucking would be??
Rocks here are free. :D :D :D :D :D
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Quote from: POSTONLT40HD on May 21, 2017, 09:30:20 AM
I like your big rocks and hill. I am flat here.
Crazy people in my neck of the woods pay big money for rocks like that. :o Just crazy. :D
Selling rocks? ??? I wonder what the trucking would be??
Rocks here are free. :D :D :D :D :D
Most of the pallet parts I'm selling are going towards rock pallets. There are many many quarries around here. I was told that Granville (next town over) was at one time considered the granite capitol of the world. As many log trucks as you see running around here you see TL's of rocks on pallets
Folks with money like rocks
When I was working on custom homes they spent as much on stone walls around their property as working on the home
I went to Granville to pick up slate for this building. I've never seen so many late model vehicles battered to bits as I have up there. :o
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Hi 4x4
You boys still cuttin wood? :D
It would be nice if the rain would stop. :D
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And for cutting wood, I had some 26' come in from a customer.
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The man running the truck is his and he just turned 80 years old, Loging his whole life
Alot of wood going out too.
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You will likely get a break from the rain soon as we have had a dry week here and have forecast for mostly dry next week. Good looking wood there Peter.
PC
Peter you are getting some rain. Been wet here,but no hard rain that last enough to make standing water like that. I have places that are wet,but was wet last year too,when we did not have much snow melt,nor rain.
Think positive -- you'll soon be able to float the logs to the mill.
It's been wet here too, nonstop rain. Finally a couple dry days was able to get out to some logs I had out in the field, that wet clay was holding them captive.. Didn't think mud season would last into summer when I put them there lol
thecfarm
You have places that would hold water? With all those hills and rocks I would have thought all you'd have is fast flowing rapidly disappearing water.
Peter, do you have help at the mill or do you do everything yourself? If you are by yourself you must work fast and work long days because you put out a lot of lumber. And you stop to take pictures of everything.
BTW, I really enjoy your pictures and your posts so keep it coming.
Oh no.I have wet holes problems. And then some. Have one wet hole,maybe 1000 feet around. That one I can drive the tractor on. Than I have another that is floating land.Drive a 40hp tractor across it,and can see the land move. You should see what a forwarder does with a full load of wood does to the moving part. :o There is only one way to cross that bog. There is a steep hill,that is full of springs and feeds that bog. Than there are the small one,maybe 6-10 feet long. I go in with a load of rocks and come out with a load of wood. Do that about 10-15 times and the wet hole is gone. I really need to get pictures of the bog and the rocks I hauled in there. I just took a load down there tonight.
Peter can move the wood :)
cutterboy, I do most myself, But in the summer I have a grandson will come for a day or two and lend a hand, The toughest part, Is to stop cutting to wait on a customer. I'm the sawer, salesman, clean up guy.
Most of my cutting is Monday, Tue, wen, Thur,.. Fri, sat, are too busy to saw.
So i'm sticking lumber, I'm always sticking lumber. smiley_dizzy smiley_sun smiley_sweat_drop
Tell it like it is, brother.
Peter
Wish I had your stamina.
Also a customer base similar to yours
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Peter
Wish I had your stamina.
Also a customer base similar to yours
Todays customer base is AT Bike Week, At The Weirs, The mountains of NH are a rumbling. :D :D :D :D. Hill climbs Wensday. Miss HD sat, night, ;) ;) :D
I think I'll go see if my HD has gas in it. ;D
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Nice bike
sold my HD for money on my house build
Must be bike week everywhere, Americade here in Lake George this week..I just got done for the day, sitting down before I pack it all in. I noticed that my front roller toe board was out of square from the bed rail today. I wasnt sure what that could be from. When I got to looking at it closer I noticed my bed rail was all cattywampus. There was daylight underneath the outside bolt with the foot pad and on the inside one the jam nut is loose but couldnt tell if there was psi on it or not. And the dragback arm dont lift up anymore..and it needs a hyd service bad only 200hrs past due...yup looks like I'm working sunday. Thats just 1/4 of what mechanical work needs done.. no partying for me tonight
Lots of bike riding going on here too. I think the casino's must put out a cross country map for bikers to get from one casino to the next. 14 casinos in my county. One 3 miles north of my place and we have hundreds of bikes on our crooked narrow little road every weekend from march til October. Some are loud and go fast.
I am gaining on being loud and slow. Neighbor thinks my 1086 IH and hay baler sounds like a HD.
PC
It's a 1948 replica, A 1200 HD is putting out, with a 5 speed trains. Goes like a rocket.
Bruno.
Quote from: Peter Drouin on June 09, 2017, 09:46:21 PM
cutterboy, I do most myself, But in the summer I have a grandson will come for a day or two and lend a hand, The toughest part, Is to stop cutting to wait on a customer. I'm the sawer, salesman, clean up guy.
Most of my cutting is Monday, Tue, wen, Thur,.. Fri, sat, are too busy to saw.
So i'm sticking lumber, I'm always sticking lumber. smiley_dizzy smiley_sun smiley_sweat_drop
Sawmilling and selling lumber is all about stacking and unstacking wood, day after day, year after year. I have people show up saying they would like to help, and I tell them, No, no, you wouldn't. If you were to go to a gym and told the trainer you want to do twenty pound reps, eight to ten hours a day, all day, they would say you were crazy. Actually, that's the definition of a one man or small sawmill operation, stacking wood, twenty pounds at a time, all day long, year after year. That's why I like this Forum, lots of
crazy great, hard working people on here just like me!
When I was sick this winter my Dr. Told me to exercise .
I told her give me a marathon runner and I have them crying by noon at the mill .
She thinks it not a work out :)
I've lost 60 lbs since christmas
Back in my greenchain days, I had a neighbor that had an office job with the USFS. He was always trying to get me to run with him every Saturday morning and I always told him that I didn't need the exercise, this was something that he just couldn't understand. So one Saturday I decided to enlighten him. Down the road about 5 miles was Grizzly Creek state park and I said, "Let's run to the park and back." And that is what we did. The last mile of the return trip I was literally running circles around him. The next day he said, "I don't see how you stay in shape when you never exercise."
8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
I just let it go, no amount of enlightenment would help. 8) 8)
Quote from: YellowHammer on June 11, 2017, 09:28:45 AM
Sawmilling and selling lumber is all about stacking and unstacking wood, day after day, year after year.
Tell it like it is, Brother... Can make my one-man-butt-log drag :).
Hey Robert if you want to go with the bigger muscle plan get into cutting pallet parts lol then instead of 20lbs at a time its taking log length cants 5-1/2" x random down to cut lengths stacking then loading the resaw.. This is what I did this week in addition to cutting out some 1500' of 4/4 hrdwd custom sawing lumber, some 20' hemlock 4x4's and some other odds and ends. Getiing the groove dialed in, should be able to do even more.
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Hoping to be on that resaw tomorrow had a mechanic day today. Changed the clutch on the resaw, pm on the wm hydraulic system, fixed the board dragback, fixed lubemizer leak, found that alot of my bedrails are loose. Just got back now, wishing I had A/C but cold beer helps lol
You're going to put all that blocking into the resaw??
4X, I'd like to cut down the exercise program, not increase it. :D
You young bucks can do the Everready thing, I think I'll set in the chair for awhile after my old man, 5 am to 7pm day today. I'm tired. Maybe eat a pizza.
Hey, I like the name on your Cat, its got good taste!
They refused to warranty my Perkapiller. >:(
Quote from: Dave Shepard on June 11, 2017, 10:19:37 PM
They refused to warranty my Perkapiller. >:(
For what??
YellowHammer, when one gets older, One has to know when to stop for the day.
Sometimes I run out of gas before daylight, And I don't like it. But at 62 I guess I have to learn to pace myself. ::) ;D ;)
Quote from: Peter Drouin on June 11, 2017, 10:08:58 PM
You're going to put all that blocking into the resaw??
Sho ams!
Lol lol Robert yea I am trying to cut down on it too...especially shoveling all this sawdust holy cow. Milton Cat and it's yellow plus theres a hammer inside the cab...yup, it's really cut out to be your machine lol
Impressive Doug!
You're gonna be the "Pallet King" of the NorthEast in no time. ;D
4x4 you need to get 2 sawdust blowers and the conveyors. Keep a trailer parked and dump them both right into it, simple way to handle that issue and one that is easy on the bank compared to the hours you'll spend on sawdust doing it the manual way. The blowers are 1-3k used, same for conveyors, and you'll need a power source but at the rate you're producing it would be cheaper to do that than hire a person. It would also automate the process of selling the sawdust, let your customer just bring a trailer and you let them know when it's full and they can haul away. Just thoughts..
All 1" 4x4?
My exhaust manifold was a factory defect. WM paid out off pocket to repair it so I wouldn't have to fight CAT.
Good WM did that for you. 8) 8)
Just got back in.. I was adjusting my bed rails on the WM they were all cattywampus (the bolts became loose somehow) when I got a call from the pallet buyer said that he wanted to send a truck tomorrow am to pick up what I have done so far on his most recent ASAP *** URGENT *** 17mbf order lol...so I hada drop what I was doing and run all them cants through the hungry hungry Baker. Got em all cut by about 8pm or so. I think before I get any sawdust blowers I needa get a DUG blower to cool me down on these hot days lol
I am whooped
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Quote from: Peter Drouin on June 12, 2017, 05:46:51 PM
All 1" 4x4?
I is cutting them cants into 7/8" deck boards
Dave thats awesome WM took care of that for you. Good on them
Quote from: nativewolf on June 12, 2017, 08:40:15 AM
4x4 you need to get 2 sawdust blowers and the conveyors. Keep a trailer parked and dump them both right into it, simple way to handle that issue and one that is easy on the bank compared to the hours you'll spend on sawdust doing it the manual way. The blowers are 1-3k used, same for conveyors, and you'll need a power source but at the rate you're producing it would be cheaper to do that than hire a person. It would also automate the process of selling the sawdust, let your customer just bring a trailer and you let them know when it's full and they can haul away. Just thoughts..
I absolutely do need some form of sawdust collection. First I need to run a power service in to the saw shed, and before I can do that I need to get the backhoe fixed, and to do that I need to make sawdust lol vicious cycle.
Thanks Darrell
Quote from: 4x4American on June 12, 2017, 09:58:25 PMI am whooped
But you earned that whooping in a good way. I am happy to see your foresight paying off and your stars aligning. You may not be there yet with the fine tuning, but the progress is obvious. smiley_thumbsup
OK 4x4 why is some boards turned?
Summer is here, About time. 8) 8)
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Quote from: Peter Drouin on June 13, 2017, 05:29:08 AM
OK 4x4 why is some boards turned?
To keep the packs more stable because if I stacked them all the same way they wouldnt be able to move the pack around after they reverse band it. I do a full layer of sideways because if you just do two or three that hardwood will twist and move where it's not being supported especially if it sits for a few days.
Thanks MM
4x4,
Once you get your electric service ran, check out the Timberking/Woodmaster sawdust blowers. They sell two dust collector units, but you can buy just the blower assembly off them - I think it would serve your needs.
Quote from: 4x4American on June 12, 2017, 09:58:25 PM
I think before I get any sawdust blowers I needa get a DUG blower to cool me down on these hot days lol
POWERBOX and FAN.
Well I am old and slow and mainly alone, so I sticker as it comes off the saw unless an order is to be picked up soon then dead stack and give them stickers if they ask.
Been slowed down this last week and a half due to mr and mrs robin working hard to raise 3 babies.
At first they would just sit outside nearby and chirp until I left the area, but now I just shut the saw off and sit back and watch them feed the little ones
They look like they should be gone by weeks end.
This happens every year.
48" barn fans help. Just drink more water, as they will dry you out.
Those chicken house fans really do help and if you can set them right they will help keep the dust blowing away from you. I am going to find an old push lawnmower and set a fan on it''portable ac''. I am getting a patent. :D ;D 8)
PC
It was 80°cut a little pine and did the fan thing on some 1x12x8.
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Loggers I called are on hard wood, No W Pine for a week or two.
So I called a concentration yard, :D :D
They have a yard in NH, With an office in Beecher Falls VT. Hardwood mill in Can, Champeau .
Call and things happen, :D :D :D
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When buying logs this way, No scaling. :D :D
I do check bf with the slip, On the money as always.
Keep me for a week, :D :D ;)
Wish I could do that here. :-\
Quote from: Dave Shepard on June 13, 2017, 11:02:30 AM
Just drink more water, as they will dry you out.
Purple Drank is better'n water. ::)
Where do I have to go to get some of that thar purple drank I keeps hearin everybody talkin bout???
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Quote from: Dave Shepard on June 13, 2017, 11:02:30 AM
Just drink more water, as they will dry you out.
Purple Drank is better'n water. ::)
I will vouch for that oshiffer. Hick up!
Quote from: Dave Shepard on June 13, 2017, 09:30:46 PM
Wish I could do that here. :-\
It is handy, But, A little more $$.
Today is Flag Day , lots of people still raise the flag in the morning and bring it in at night.
The drank was not purple this time, thank you Mr. Deese, but it would kick your butt log.
No Purple Drank?? :o What is this sawmilling world coming to ???
Quote from: red on June 14, 2017, 06:13:36 AM
Today is Flag Day , lots of people still raise the flag in the morning and bring it in at night.
I do every day.
But maybe not if I had too much purple Drank in me. smiley_alcoholic_01
Quote from: Peter Drouin on June 13, 2017, 09:25:57 PM
It was 80°cut a little pine and did the fan thing on some 1x12x8.
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Loggers I called are on hard wood, No W Pine for a week or two.
So I called a concentration yard, :D :D
They have a yard in NH, With an office in Beecher Falls VT. Hardwood mill in Can, Champeau .
Call and things happen, :D :D :D
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When buying logs this way, No scaling. :D :D
I do check bf with the slip, On the money as always.
Keep me for a week, :D :D ;)
I was going to make a joke about rejecting all that pulpwood....but I am too jealous.
Had a little volt drop on the alternator, It has 4500 + hours on it. So on with a new one from WM.
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And a strip. going to clean all the grounds too.
When I was going to fix the cover on the mill I found this.
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Doesn't the belt look off some. The 3 bolts were loose. I straighten it out and.
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I did put new shoes on the ground, and power strip too.
Yes, the belt does look straighter in the 2nd pic
Now you've ruined it. Your wobbling shaft is gonna run straight and destroy that new alternator and probably the whole motovator franticalia assembly.
Had some logs come in from Mass, 34' W Pine
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5 today, 5 more Tues. I think Jim Rodgers had something to do with it, :D :D
The trucker, Know's you, ;D
Getting ready for supper and more customer logs show up. :)
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1"--2"--and 3" all sq edge
40' add on started
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Well, with all the wood to cut I think I'll go out and do my favorite thing to do on a Monday night at 7pm Sharpen blades,
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I'll go and join you with blade sharpening after I'm done eating..also my favorite activity on a monday night lol
The other 5. :D
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Waiting for a cut list, ::) ::) :D :D
There for a job in Mass, Work done by Preservation Timber Framing of Maine.
More Pine, 8)
Don't want to get too far ahead with Pine, It will blue stain. And I can't sell that stuff. ;D
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Peter,
You can just sink logs into the ground for posts for your shelter and they will not rot? What are they?
Could be a new way of stacking log to maximize your storage space and to minimize getting the logs dirty. One of my neighbors had an oak log set that way so's he can make a totem pole or something of that ilk. Doubt he'll ever get that done. But it'll be fun watching the progress.
Quote from: Savannahdan on June 29, 2017, 06:31:38 AM
Could be a new way of stacking log to maximize your storage space and to minimize getting the logs dirty.
:D :D :D :D
I like your take on that one Dan!
Peter has some crazy skills, but storing logs on end . . .
Bring your hard hat for those windy days, people.
Yeah, YH, Hemlock, they will at the ground line, so I treat them a little at that spot.
At 62 years old I think the hemlock will outlast me. :D :D :D :D 8) ;)
I been looking and found 2.
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Hand held Tachometer 8) 8)
The man that had them also had a nice one lunger.
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Is that a Fairbanks Z? I have a Stewart Warner tach in a can, also.
I tried the tack and my cat Idel is low, :D :D
It's going to be handy to get the shingle mill up to speed. 8)
Back in my early days as a planerman in the furniture factory, we had this big old Newman belt drive 4 headed planer. The micro-managing boss came by and said that he wanted it running at 160 fpm. So I set it as close as I could by counting the boards and multiplying by the length. Well it wasn't too long and here came the millwright and he had a can with a tach in it. He took the rubber tip off the end of the shaft and put a little wheel on in its place and his tach was converted to a fpm meter. So he put the little wheel against the bottom feed roll of the planer and when the board went through the top feed roll came down and squished his little device and dang near his hand too. I couldn't help myself, I laughed. :D :D :D He stomped off!
Just a "flashback" triggered by seeing the pictures of the tach in a can.
This is more than day of cutting wood and there are quite a few more days to go.
I will let the pictures talk.
The first sawmill to operate in this region for 45 years.
A major shift in the federal and provincial parks policy and I am doing the pilot project.
So far ALL the "Ties" have been impressed.
IF any you visit the park I am there for atleast another month.
Enjoy!
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Now, that is a pile of logs. That will keep you going a while. 8) 8)
Proposed policy is ALL trees removed within the park that are convertible to usable product must be processed in the park and used in the park.
So far the saw dust is going to the Boundry Ranch for use in the box stalls in the horse barns that house the 90 or so trail ride stock and all the off cut & to small to saw sticks are being chipped for landscape mulch. 4" to 6" logs getting 2 cuts each to make 3 X fence rails. 6" to 10" getting cut 4/4 live edge for wind/wildlife deterrent fencing. 10" and up are going into 6x6 and up material for posts and beam shelters along the trials.
The big stuff is being set aside at the moment. There is a bridge location that has been approved by Parks Canada but the bridge design has not been done yet. When they took me to the site and asked what I thought was possible I suggested a timber frame covered bridge as there are none I western Canada that I am aware of. The Alberta regional parks officer and his Federal counter part said they liked the idea but did not know any one certified to build such a structure. I introduced them to a friend of mine that is not only certified but is, in my opinion, the best guy in Canada for that job. He was on site Friday and the "Ties" and their assistants were very excited by the end of the days brain storming session.
Drawings are in progress and I could have a cut list by the end of next week. The bridge will carry pedestrian, cycle, horse and buggy traffic. We are in phase 1 of a 4 phase renovation and expansion project. I could be there for a few years.
It takes a good sawyer to feed through logs like that and get the most out of them.
Good job. smiley_thumbsup
Sounds like they can pat themselves on the back this time for finding the right person for the job. And that includes your bridge-building buddy.
I like that policy of using the trees from the park, in the park.
I am pleased to hear that there are administrators in government paid positions that actually have some common sense. :D
Bandit, thanks for the pictures and happy sawing in the park.
My mill was acting up and after looking at all the wiring I knew it was the cat that was acting up.
So a trip to Milton Cat, Never been at the new home.
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Put the meter on it and It showed a bad fuel pump. Check the hi and low RPMs Good to go. 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
I did ask if we can fit the 1000 Horse on the mill.
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It's as big as a VW bug. :o
Was flying home on 93 at 70 when I get a bang. :o :o :o
Pieces of tire fling all over, oil from the hoses that sheared off.
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So I pulled down to the tree line so No one would hit me.
Put the spare on and tie up the loader legs. with no hydro IT won't stay up. :D :D
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Got home and had to drill and tap where the fitting snapped off.
Having some supper, Then go out to take off the hoses, Get new ones in the morning.
But there's a gizmo that was on the hose that's on 93 somewhere.
Maine is sending me one for tomorrow
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All in a day Cutting wood.
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That stinks
Glad they got the mill running for you.
Hope you get it going in the morning
Good recovery Peter.
. . . and a REALLY good thing you didn't have that 1000hp big cat on there when it happened!
Did you retap the holes to the same size I'ma guessin so that the new fittings fit?
What was it the lift pump or the injector pump? You'd know if it was the injector pump cause they'd give you a bill that burns lol
Welp hopefully you get her all squared away before too long! Now you gotta make sure you fix that other tire so you have a spare again. And it's a good thing you brought a spare..which reminds me I need to put some tire black on the tires to protect them from the uv they're getting pounded on by that sun.
Quote from: Peter Drouin on July 19, 2017, 06:10:06 PM
All in a day Cutting wood.
Wait... I thought you cut a tire. Was it a wooden tire? Or was the hose wood?
(Some of us are easily confused).
Glad that tail didn't manage to wag the dog! You're safer with the bears and logs and spinning blades. Now, quit joyriding and get back to work.
Was the fender beat up, too?
I've had days like that. . . . .
Lift one 4x4
Some days will get your heart going.
2 steps forward, and one step back !!!! I've had those days a lot lately ! ;D You didn't catch any flatlands in your oil slick did ya ? ;D ;D
Got it mostly back together, UPS just dropped off the velocity fuse.
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They come in pairs, And the extra 90 is if I need it. :D :D
More W Pine.$$$
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Needed some 10' He cut me some, 8) 8)
I can't say how nice That logger is to me. 8) 8)
Quote from: loggah on July 20, 2017, 06:09:08 AM
2 steps forward, and one step back !!!! I've had those days a lot lately ! ;D You didn't catch any flatlands in your oil slick did ya ? ;D ;D
When the cars went through the oil mist some hit there wipers. I don't think that was a good idea. :D :D
If you come this way sometime Logger, Stop in,[ 64 Burleigh Hill]. Just follow the road out past the greenhouse. The mill is in the woods.
If you don't see me, just follow the nose and I'll be standing there. :D :D
Peter--Seems to me you came out of a bad situation smelling like a rose ;D. Glad it all worked out. Have had to replace a broken velocity fuse--they don't give those away!!!
Loggah--with me it's usually two steps back, one forward....that's why everyone is so far ahead of me :D. All the best, Rob.
Peter,With my bent nose if I follow it I go in circles !! ;D I intend to stop in one of these days.
loggah, wherever your nose takes you will be an interesting place to go. Pat and I had a wonderful time following your nose last week. smiley_thumbsup smiley_thumbsup
;D ;D Well ,it did kind of lead you in a circle!! glad you had a good time.
Not going to be a good week.
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Not the way to spend a Sunday, Rather be out on this.
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All in a day cutting wood, Thinking of a newer bigger chipper.
Parts coming 8)
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Should have it running this weekend.
Cutting long wood, sometimes you have to trim.
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I run 40' of rollers to cut the side boards on, makes it easy to cut to length.
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Then see it go. :D :D :D :D
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Then more 26' show up. ::)
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I ran out of 8' logs, so I cut 16' in ½
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I go through the logs and pick the long ones, 16'8"+. That way I have at least 4" of trim on my lumber. What a pain. ::) ::)
All in a day cutting wood.
I was just looking at the flatbed truck. Where does your lumber go?
That load went to Boston.
You been busy Peter smiley_thumbsup
Lookin good.
Looking good as always :)
4x4 hows it going ? Rain enough for you ? :D :D :D :D
Bruno, I bet your wet too. :D :D :D
I'm about sick of the rain.
Don't want to dead stack Pine for too long with all the rain.
I tell customers the wood won't wait for you to stick it to keep it from getting moldy ;D
Peter I had enough rain for the year
Now, that's a stack of logs. $$$$$$ Just saying ;D
Quote from: woodweasel on August 18, 2017, 11:22:22 AM
Now, that's a stack of logs. $$$$$$ Just saying ;D
With a sawmill you have to have a lot of logs in the yard. $$$$$$$$$ is all you need to start a lumber yard. And want to work 12 hour days. :D :D
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Quote from: woodweasel on August 18, 2017, 11:22:22 AM
Now, that's a stack of logs. $$$$$$ Just saying ;D
With a sawmill you have to have a lot of logs in the yard. $$$$$$$$$ is all you need to start a lumber yard. And want to work 12 hour days. :D :D
He ain't just a kiddin either
Quote from: Peter Drouin on August 12, 2017, 12:59:35 PM
4x4 hows it going ? Rain enough for you ? :D :D :D :D
Bruno, I bet your wet too. :D :D :D
I'm about sick of the rain.
Don't want to dead stack Pine for too long with all the rain.
I tell customers the wood won't wait for you to stick it to keep it from getting moldy ;D
smiley_wavy
Breakin stuff, fixin stuff, cuttin wood! It's been dry the past couple weeks. Rained today and we needed it. Been so dusty been havin a hard time seeing out of the cab of the backhoe and the air filter I imagine been suckin up alot of dust. The other mornin I noticed it was 46 durgrees on the fahrenheit 1/4" decimal c scale...I sure liked that. Excited for fall.
46 DEGREES !!!!!!!! I'm coming visit you. Feel like temp today was over 102 :laugh:
Yessir, and I even took a picture to prove it:
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Wore a long sleeve shirt almost all day. That's what i love about the great white north
I love a nice cool summer day. It's like free AC😊
Quote from: barbender on August 18, 2017, 11:46:55 PM
I love a nice cool summer day. It's like free AC😊
Makes working that much more fun
Been leavin the windows open all night in our 5th wheel trailer and wakin up to temps about 60° F but on Wednesday morning woke up to 49° F inside and 45° F outside. It was nice once I got some coffee in me.
I know what your saying 4x4, The North East with cleen air and water.
Nothing like it in the states.
The snow is a test to see how good a woods person you are is all. :D :D :D :D ;)
I'm with you Peter,clean air and clean water.I don't take it for granted.Lot's of folks don't have either one.
But y'all will all be glacial till once the next ice age comes ;D.
Plus all the salt on the road goes nicely with roadkill. Don't even need to bring your own, can't beat that. ;D
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But y'all will all be glacial till once the next ice age comes ;D.
Piece of cake. :D :D :D ;)
I look forward to that! Long as you have enough firewood and food.
Well in these parts we've got the snow and the clean water but here in Oregon no salt on the roads so we have to do without the presalted roadkill.
The beds are 4x6 W Pine, I painted the inside bottom two rows with roof tar,
Filled ½ way with gravel, then loam toped with cow poo.
I put up a bed and filled with the tractor. Moved back and did another one. When all the beds were done, I put up the greenhouse over them . I have 6000 BF in all of it.
One of the best things I've done for the garden.
I have seen the green house
It's impressive .
Quote from: Bruno of NH on August 19, 2017, 01:58:32 PM
I have seen the green house
It's impressive .
I don't know about that, But I don't have to bend over to pick vegetables ;D ;)
Maybe I can sell a kit, greenhouse. :D
Quote from: Darrel on August 19, 2017, 10:53:01 AM
Well in these parts we've got the snow and the clean water but here in Oregon no salt on the roads so we have to do without the presalted roadkill.
I'm sorry to hear that..see with all the salt on the roads out here, and the cold temps, roadkill is preserved for months, so pretty much any roadkill is grill ready no matter how long its been there.
What do they use on your roads sand?
Quote from: 4x4American on August 20, 2017, 07:57:44 AM
What do they use on your roads sand?
If you're lucky they use sand, otherwise you just wreck your truck. :( I'll not take the time right now to explain how I learned this. :( ??? :(
Sounds like the kids can still slay ride on the roads out there.
That was the good old days. We can't do that here in Pa anymore
with all the salt and cinders.
In NH they pretreat the roads with brine salt
We won't have any cars or trucks left it eats the frames right out.
I get my trucks hot oiled every year it helps
In NE Ohio they use brine as well, BAD STUFF!
Hardpack is way easier to drive on than slush. I hate salt on roads.
Hardpack for six months of the year up here.
Salt doesn't do anything at temps colder than -15 C.
Road kill lasts till spring ;)
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Clearly Canadian !
Somewhere I have a video of my grandkids sledding down a hard packed country road here in Oregon. I'll have to see if I can find it and upload it to YouTube for sharing.
You can keep it up there eh?
PC
Quote from: paul case on August 22, 2017, 07:49:43 AM
You can keep it up there eh?
PC
There's no fooling with that.
It's ours and we're keeping it - but every so often, say around February or March, we'll send a little taste of it down South.
So that y'all will know what you're missing out on . . . . ;D
Quote from: Andries on August 21, 2017, 11:49:51 PM
Hardpack for six months of the year up here.
Salt doesn't do anything at temps colder than -15 C.
Road kill lasts till spring ;)
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Clearly Canadian !
Same thing here in North Dakota the frozen tundra os the south me thinks
We have yuppies that can't drive in the snow so they salt and brine it on an inch thick.
They won't slow down or buy winter deeps with studs.
I dont like it when it does this.....
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I just stay in if it is bad that way i dont get mixed up with them folks who think they can drive on such roads. I usually only go see my cows and when it is like this they are happy to see me.
PC
Looks like the cows get jelly rolls. I'd be happy too! :)
A little snow, Is like a pour man fertilizer Paul. :D :D :D :D :D
Quote from: Bruno of NH on August 22, 2017, 04:57:46 PM
We have yuppies that can't drive in the snow so they salt and brine it on an inch thick.
They won't slow down or buy winter deeps with studs.
i like it when there in the ditch and say well its all wheel drive i don't know what happened :D
Mid winter here right now.
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Got down to 65° F last night. I needed a blanket. (Not kidding)
Or when they drive past the "no winter maintenance" sign blindly following a GPS at 40 mph and come to a stop with only the trunk lid visible from the drift. Many years ago I put a sign just past the warning sign that said "shovel rent $25 an hour, cash deposit required" with my phone number.
Joe
Bruno,
Can you tell me what hot oiled is? I sometimes get my vehicles sprayed with fluid film to help prevent rust, is this similar?
Quote from: longtime lurker on August 24, 2017, 07:58:50 AM
Mid winter here right now.
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Got down to 65° F last night. I needed a blanket. (Not kidding)
mid winter and WOW a cold night of 65 just rub it in a little more :D
Jemclimber
Hot oil is new bar and chain oil heated then sprayed on like fluid film but much better.
Not many doing it around my place anymore because Company's don't want it dripping in their parking lots.
A guy still does it 2 towns over. You have an appointment and wait and then leave right off with you truck .
The place my wife use to work would not let you park you car or truck in the lot if it was freshly hot oiled. They would fine you.
It's the best undercoating .
I go to a place in Vermont to get hot oil undercoating. It's great, they have a gun shop to hang out in while you wait or if you have to be doing something like me you can go split firewood for them lol I thought it was used engine oil? Either way it's illegal in NY I'm glad I'm right on the VT border sometimes
what isn't illegal in ny ::) ::) i figure in a few years it will be illegal to breath here because you'll be taking air from a endangered animal
Oil is good. ;)
Customer's wood coming in, Red Oak and W Pine
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Last of a timber frame going out.
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When the first truck came back later he had a box on the truck this time with the last of the logs.
Some truckers use a box to put stumps and lose stuff in. Drag it on , Drag it off.
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Quote from: Peter Drouin on August 26, 2017, 10:33:12 PM
Customer's wood coming in, Red Oak and W Pine
Now if only you had some Blue Spruce, you'd be a very patriotic American. :)
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Quote from: Peter Drouin on August 26, 2017, 10:33:12 PM
Customer's wood coming in, Red Oak and W Pine
Now if only you had some Blue Spruce, you'd be a very patriotic American. :)
:D :D :D
This is a couple of long evenings of some real nice logs that I cut for a friend of mine on Sunday evening and monday evening.
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Nice looking lumber you have there. But you always do good work Bandmill Bandit. smiley_thumbsup
The light setup looks good too.
The days are getting shorter. :D :D :D
My Cat TH460B should be here next week. 8) 8)
what is an average bf of lumber sawn in a day for most of you guys
In good logs and set up with good help I consistently get 300BF/hr including all things related to the processing of the logs available. no band sharpening included
This last job was 2 evenings totaling 7 hours with a total production of 2890 BF total for an average 412/hr. (my daily average so far this season is just under 2500BF daily
Used 1 bimetal blade for this job and it is still on the mill.
You don't get cut lists and logs that allow you to do that very often and cutting for maximum yield AND best appearance per log. 3 of the 8'X8"s came out of 10-11 inch small end logs with about 10 % wane max. Taper was less than 2 inches on all 3 of 10' logs these posts came out of.
The ONLY 1" material was the incidental boards that I needed to trim out to get to the cut list dimensions and there were less than 200 BF of that. Some times they were a 1/2" off of 2 sides to reduce wane as much as possible.(8"X8"s)
Smallest dimension on this cut list was 2"X7"X9' and the largest was 8"X8"X10'(x4) and 3"X9"X21' and 3"X9"X16' for about 75% of the cut list. This is a job where customer was better with the hourly rate over a BF rate.
2890BF X .35=$1011.00 and his invoice is $700.00 for 7 hours of sawing.
The way I operate this is very often the situation.
Thankyou for the compliment Peter.
On the lights, the placement works well and i am going to change them all out to LEDs to get higher lumens and more flood effect.
I usually cut 1,500 - 1,800 bf in a day!
I have one off-bearer!
Quote from: Peter Drouin on August 31, 2017, 06:45:08 PM
My Cat TH460B should be here next week. 8) 8)
I'm happy for you, that's a good machine. We had one at work, and it was nice.
Is Big John being put out to pasture?
New family member, 8) 8) 8)
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Has a quick connect on it , Will lift 9000lb and put it 44' in the air,
Bucket and grapple is on the list now.
Nice looking Cat
You will make some high stacks now :)
That will make things easier.
Quote from: Bruno of NH on September 07, 2017, 07:38:44 PM
Nice looking Cat
You will make some high stacks now :)
I want to lift the roof off the lumber shed and go up 12 more feet. :D :D :D :D
The 40' addition will have a high roof.
Quote from: thecfarm on September 07, 2017, 08:08:13 PM
That will make things easier.
Yes it will on a 45' log. John will only lift 2500 lb
How are things going with you two?
Things are a going. Brenda is have some issues again. Or should I say still. Pulse is low. Test will be done next week.
Nice! Looks to me like it's the same IT quick attach mount my hoe uses. Come winter time you'll be able to have some pretty high snowbanks :D
When you're loading the mill with it will you be able to see the right side or you gonna have to buy some mirrors?
Looks good Peter, but you know what they say. You can stack it higher and deeper but your waders are only good to a certain point. :D
Cfarm I hope it will work out for her,
4x4, with a grapple I think I'll be ok.
Darrel, :D :D :D :D :D so true
First thing this morning I'm going to unplug the back up beeper.
Peter
Been busy milling and selling wood also doing a job in Lebanon for a change.
It reminds me how i don't like traveling for work anymore :)
You want the lumber where?
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:D :D
I have to learn all over on how to pile lumber in the barn. Just when I had it all figured out with John.
I almost push out the back wall, and lifted the roof up some.
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Even with John I would get wood chips or mud of the forks that would fall on the wood.
I'm always sweeping the lumber off.
Do you guys and girls have the same problem?
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Hay Bruno, you say you can sell slabs, then you're a better salesman than me. :D :D :D :D
I have had this stuff all summer,
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2"x20" 5/4x22 some with live edge. At a $1.50 a BF no one wants it. :D :D :D :D
Sand and grit wreak havoc on planer blades during downstream processing for sure. Thats one of the reasons I've stayed away from a pallet based lumber storage system: anything on the underside of a pallet gets ground down into the top layer of the pack below. The dunnaging system we use is a PITA and slower but not so slow as changing out blades on the drymill gear.
I'd like to tell ya that concrete floors alleviate all that but machines track dirt around my floors so much it aint much better then dirt during the wet season anyway... well except that it aint knee deep in mud in there.
Will that be high enough to keep the bears out of the bees and bird feeders?
Peter--with that fancy new machine you could go vertical & build your new storage shed at least 4 stories high 8) 8) 8). Hey, nice to see that you got such a great addition to your operation.....All the best, Rob.
should air dry quicker up that high ;D good luck with your new toy 8)
It will lift a lot of lumber. BUT, the higher you go the more [rock] you have. I picked up 5 pallets a lumber and all most dumped them over. Had to set it down and take off the top 2.
So I set them down in front of the door . Then I pick all of them and boom in seams to work. Not drive around with 5. :D :D :D :D
My slab rack was made for John. But, The cat is wider than the rack. With the cat I have to retool some stuff. ::)
Peter
That will lift :)
Getting in and out of the cat can be a pain with the way the step is set up.
See how the steps are under the cab so not to catch things.
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My fix.
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I won't be driving over logs, so I think I'm ok. :D :D
I needed a non slip surface, so I put my name in it. ;D
I know exactly what you are talking about, Peter. That will be ten times more convenient. 8)
Quote from: Peter Drouin on September 10, 2017, 06:09:27 AM
It will lift a lot of lumber. BUT, the higher you go the more [rock] you have. I picked up 5 pallets a lumber and all most dumped them over. Had to set it down and take off the top 2.
There's an OH&S guideline here that says stack height shouldn't be more then 4 times it's width. Seems about right - we take a lot of care to keep them flat and even then the 4th one up is verging on wobbly. Been driving me nuts for years - all these big high roofs and I cant stack that high because I prefer to keep my packs at 30" wide, but the next logical width is 46" and at that width they're a pain for a whole heap of other reasons. ( pressure treatment cylinder is 34" wide so we'd have to restack if we wanted to treat them/ need fork extensions on all the time/ just generally too wide to be easy to stack without walking around the pack all the time)
30" = 3 stickered packs to truck width. 46" = 2 of them. Don't freight a lot of stickered packs but sometimes you might want to and it's just easy to standardize on one width of pack. Making truck loading easy and fast opened up a lot of doors for us with regards the line haul freight boys on the interstate runs.
4' wide is the US standard here. Forks are 4' too. I make my pallets 4' deep and whatever wide. 4x4 do you make your packs 4' deep?
Yup, my packs are 4'
My stickered stacks are 4', but I've been dead stacking at 42". It seems to load on trucks and trailers better.
I used to dead stack at 42" and then one day I switched to 4' so that I could fit more in a pack. Ties are 45" though
Quote from: longtime lurker on September 10, 2017, 04:21:47 PM
Quote from: Peter Drouin on September 10, 2017, 06:09:27 AM
It will lift a lot of lumber. BUT, the higher you go the more [rock] you have. I picked up 5 pallets a lumber and all most dumped them over. Had to set it down and take off the top 2.
There's an OH&S guideline here that says stack height shouldn't be more then 4 times it's width. Seems about right - we take a lot of care to keep them flat and even then the 4th one up is verging on wobbly.
I took this photo at a local mill. As you say, 4 stacks high.
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Growin pains Peter. I'm sure in a week you will be toolin around in that thing, gently delivering fresh worms to baby birds 4 stories up.
Nice machine.
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Didn't take long, did it. :D :D ;)
Butterfingers! lol lol lol
Lol
Thou shalt not covet! Thou shalt NOT covet!
Nothing fun about that!!
Just tip back too far. :D
Lumber on sticking is as slippery as Ice. The dryer the pine the easier it slides.
:) :) :) going to have to dump a few to figure out that machine. I know you are going to love it though. Cat makes a really nice telehandler.
They have a low head height and a tight turning radius. I see you even got the outriggers. You'll be amazed how far you can reach with the outriggers down. The only thing I really never liked about them was their rolling toggle controller for the fork tilt. Having spent a lot of time on Lull and JLG brand RTF's the Cat fork tilt is too quick for me. But once you get the hang of it, no problem. Congratulations on a very nice machine Peter.
Could have been worse. Tilt back and you'll lose the pile above the fork backrest. Tilt too far forward and the entire pack his the ground. Not that it's ever happened to me....nope, never.
If only that were the worst spill I'd ever had!
Spilling wood is fun if I'm not the one doing it. (Just kidding)
DPatton, The rolling toggle is fast. Just touch it little for tilt front and back / left and right.
I think 4x4 has the same thing his Cat backhoe.
I looked at JLG then the Cat came along. I kept after Milton Cat for that size telehandler to let me know when someone traded one in. A carpenter traded that one for a new one.
It's all original with less than 4000 hours on it.
Sounds like you know all about it YellowHammer. :D :D :D :D :D
The other thing Darrel is I can't see the far side of the lumber pack. I could with John, But the Cat it's out there. :o :D
Also need to fill the pallet all the way across with lumber. With John it was one pallet at a time not 3. And be sure the sticking are 4', Not 4' 2".
Sometimes a row of stickings will catch the lumber pack in the back and lift ½ of it up too.
The John Deere would behave better that that. ;D
You get to do some RE-WORK :D. Isn't that fun? ;D
You meant to do that...right?? :D
My worst spill wasn't lumber. It was a load of 2 1/15" OD X 9' oil field pipe that I had just welded spades onto (like T post spades). Had the load on a wheel loader and was going down hill. The load started to slide off toward me so I tilted it forward and in my haste, a bit too much forward. That load of pipes was spread out for 100' down the hill and I had an audience of about 40 farm workers cheering me on! 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
Those pipes weighed about 80 lbs. each. :-[
I worked at a plastic warehouse for a few months. I came from working at a big box and thought I could run a lift pretty well till I found out they were moving gaylords 4 high. I spilled a few of those till I got the hang of it. Nothing like picking 10,000 plastic dinner bowls out of the floor.
That's a sazzy looking machine Mr. Drouin...
We do our batten in packs 10 boards wide. Long boards 16-20'alternate with a double that adds up to 22' (say a 6' and a 14' for example). Row of sticks every 5th row, 20 rows to the pack. Average pack - approx 3800 linear feet or so.
Some idiot tries to pick up 3 and walk them down the yard. Old Bessie the LD8R is light in the back end but. .. "she be right mate".
One rock. Just one little rock. >:(
At least lumber won't roll away Darrel. :D :D :D
That's a lot of bowls ScottAR :o
I was sharpening some blades last night and was thinking about Customsawyer and all the blades he sharpens. Looking at my small pile and thinking that man when he's not cutting he must be sharpening blades.
I don't know how he does it.
Not to mention the lumber he moves in a year. :o Goes to show what a 40' LT70 can do. Most impressive.
iongtime lurker, Sometimes that's all it takes. :D
Quote from: Peter Drouin on September 12, 2017, 11:10:20 PM
Sounds like you know all about it YellowHammer. :D :D :D :D :D
We've spilled a few, unfortunately the bigger the pack the the bigger the mess. Long sweeping loaded turns are bad, get a little momentum in a turn, get going a little too fast, watch the pack slide sideways and then hit the brakes to try to stop it. The pack shifts like it's in ice, comes off the stickers and "thar she blows!." There goes an hour.....
I have a nice big oak tree with a vertical side on my way to the air drying pad. Whenever a pack get out of square, I'll drive up to it and push against it to rearrange and resettle the the stack.
Of course, a dumped pack never gets forgotten as the customer will usually ask why some of the boards have dirt on them. ;D
The cat has a computer in it that runs the trans/ hydro, and things.
It has to be calibrated from time to time from normal wear.
The man sat in the cat with his laptop hooked up to the net, 15 mins done. More like a reboot, I guess.
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Then a del.
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Some nice W Pine.
Gotta go scale,, :D :D
Looks good Pete. I reckon now with the Cat you've got the capability to unload log trucks that dont have loaders eh
I didn't count em but there was a lot of bowls.... :D Broom and a grain scoop and some time.
The rule became "go as fast as you want, you just can't stop or turn fast."
Quote from: 4x4American on September 15, 2017, 08:42:10 PM
Looks good Pete. I reckon now with the Cat you've got the capability to unload log trucks that dont have loaders eh
No time to unload trucks here. :D :D :D
If they want to sell me logs, they better unload themselves. ;D
Moving logs now, is no work and ½ the time to put away.
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16'
The only problem,should of bought it sooner. ;D
I think telehandlers are the best machine for a sawmill, if you can have only one. The capacity to lift the big logs, or big stacks. The height to unload tall trailers, and s bucket, if you need one. I also think they have the best visibility of the forks because you sit off to the side. 8)
And the reach to put new logs to the back of the pile.
Do they make a grapple for that? I could see how one would be useful.
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This is an Alberta Heritage restoration project.
customer has qualified the project for a heritage restoration grant. it will be an AirB&B when its done.
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This is a near complete 1959 Massey 35 restoration project done by the customer. He has done a good job. He is an aviation mechanic by trade.
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11 hours of sawing and 7 blades from hard ware strikes. This was originally a cow/calf operation.
3400 BF of ALL lodge pole pine. That was the first 1/3 of the logs I will be milling for this customer. The rest will be logged this winter now that he has his little tractor running. I directed him to the forum so he can gain access to all the knowledge he needs to complete his project. (NOTE to SELF! Get metal detector!!) Any comments on a real good metal detector? 7 blades X $50 = $250 Bucks. i think i can aford the best metal detector there is.
?????You might be loosing some cash on your blade math Bandit :D :D :D
What are you using those carbide tipped blades? Blades around here 1-1/2" .055" 158" are half that
Quote from: DPatton on September 18, 2017, 03:06:56 PM
?????You might be loosing some cash on your blade math Bandit :D :D :D
He'll make up for it in volume.
Quote from: DPatton on September 18, 2017, 03:06:56 PM
?????You might be loosing some cash on your blade math Bandit :D :D :D
opps! I was typing in the dark. 7 X $50 = $350 and that is for the bimetal .055, 1 1/2" (with an extra tooth)
Also that is in CDN $$.
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Quote from: DPatton on September 18, 2017, 03:06:56 PM
?????You might be loosing some cash on your blade math Bandit :D :D :D
He'll make up for it in volume.
Most of this milling session was large dimension timbers for the roof and the floor/foundation. 3X10, 4X6, 6X6, 6X8. The volume added up fast. The last few logs were cut to 5/4 X6 for about 400 BF to do the flooring. He will need more flooring as there is a 10'x16' loft in the cabin.
No rain for a while makes for a lot of dust.
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Long ones on top.
Going to spread some chips to help keep the dust down.
Dusty here too, hasnt rained in a while. I see you stack stuff on logs too lol
Hi 4x4.
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3 phase not diesel
Is that your new mill or did you just post the pic so 4x4 would drool all over his phone?
PC
Think this will move some wood chips 4x4. :D :D
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Call ya later.
;)
Peter has done hit the big time.
Congratulations. 8)
Call me later with some action pictures. ;D
Hot dog! Yea I think that would move a couple two three chips at a time lol
Here's some pics of the wooden bucket I told you I use for catching the top piece from the resaw and we also use it behind the chop saw for firewood/scraps.
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Mill waste is a big deal if your full time sawing. I had to be able to load TT. I had an outfit would come and get it with their loader and trucks. With the farm tractor I could not do that.
I had calls for chips, but could not load them.
With the cat and this $4500.00 bucket [new is $6500] will open a lot of doors for me.
The thing with a sawmill is to keep logs, lumber, sawdust, and chips moving.
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Hi cfarm, Thanks YH
Nice bucket
I almost stoped in Monday afternoon on my way back from picking up my resharpend bands.
Want to see the new Cat some time
Stop any time Bruno.
Morning at A&P saw mill.
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Here you go CFarm.
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4½ yards ;)
Now that's a pile of chips. :o
That bucket will get it done !
How'd she do Peter?
Quote from: 4x4American on October 18, 2017, 07:35:06 PM
How'd she do Peter?
Fills the bucket easily.
cfarm I cut a lot of lumber and that makes a lot of slabs that I chip.
I think I have the whole pile sold.
Been reading this thread for a while now and i just have to say that your setup is awesome! I would love to be at your level one day. But I've got a lot to learn and equipment to aquire before that ever happens😂
Quote from: Florida boy on October 18, 2017, 09:02:33 PM
Been reading this thread for a while now and i just have to say that your setup is awesome! I would love to be at your level one day. But I've got a lot to learn and equipment to aquire before that ever happens😂
Thanks, The equipment thing goes on and on. Look at 4x4, two mills. Yellow hammer buying all the time ,two kilns a new tractor a cat fork lift and a new building Customsawer with two 70s and a new kiln. Bruno wants a WIDE mill too, He just bought a new tractor.
On and on. Good luck. Just remember to saw lumber you can't be right in the head.
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Why in the world would 1 man ever need 2 mills?
PC
Quote from: paul case on October 18, 2017, 10:42:37 PM
Why in the world would 1 man ever need 2 mills?
PC
Because he's good, run them back to back. :D :D :D :D :D ;)
I can see many benefits if i was to keep them both but the 40 super is listed for sale in 4 different places. Have been getting quite a bit of interest in it. Having the tier 3 mechanical injected diesel on it is a big help. Wanted to have a bit of overlap in the two mills because unlike retail Peter I can't take all these days off galavanting around going to different fairs and such, been running 7 days/week for quite some time now daylight to dark then work til bedtime doing blades or with a flashlight strapped to my head...anyways the reason for having a little overlap was to help avoid downtime in case the new mill had any major bugs to work out. Plus, when the thing first showed up we were right in the middle of doing a 12mbf order of cutstock on top of our standing all we can produce stuff and I didnt have time to learn how to run that rocket ship. It has two joysticks each with 9 buttons on them and it goes fast. When you press one of the buttons the joysticks change to completely different functions. Didnt wanna be in a rush learning the new controls and scrambling to fill the order and break stuff. If I could find the right guy to run the 40 for me I'd hire him and make some lumber but most of them around here are neck down boys
"neck down boys",ain't that the truth,always checking to see if anybody loves them,pretty DanG sad.
4x4
When you get over 49 years old you can take a day off now and then.
When your over 60 you earn the time to go to a fair or two.
I worked 7 days a week all my adult life
Been devoreced once and have a daughter that don't talk with me much because I was never around always working.
I like to work only thing I'm good at :)
But some times you should spend time with family or friends
Bruno
4x4's profile shows him at 125 years old. He moves around pretty good for a old codger. :D
Good help is hard to find, especially nowadays. No body wants to get their hands dirty. Heck, they might get a blister.
Quote from: paul case on October 18, 2017, 10:42:37 PM
Why in the world would 1 man ever need 2 mills?
PC
I guess I am the only one who really needs 2 mills. I will just keep the reasoning to myself.
I worked like 4x4 when I was younger. I thought I had time for everything. Wife and kids never missed me as I would drag them with me on a lot of things, like hay hauling and fescue seed cutting and custom baling hay. I am paying for it now as my joints are all wore out. I cant work like that anymore or I pay.
PC
Quote from: SlowJoeCrow on October 19, 2017, 07:59:17 AM
Good help is hard to find, especially nowadays.
I have been blessed with a good "neck up' help recently. I hope to teach him what little I know about milling so he can run it. Then he can hire a helper. :D
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I guess I am the only one who really needs 2 mills. I will just keep the reasoning to myself.
I worked like 4x4 when I was younger I am paying for it now as my joints are all wore out. I cant work like that anymore or I pay.
PC
I'm 62 and work like 4x4 6 days a week. Keeps you young.
Had a doc tell me one time, The less you do , the less you can do. ;)
I do pay too from time to time.
Peter,may not help,but I have 2 tractors. And the worst part neither one makes me money. ;D
I am on the 2 side.
Quote from: thecfarm on October 19, 2017, 01:49:54 PM
Peter,may not help,but I have 2 tractors. And the worst part neither one makes me money. ;D
I am on the 2 side.
Why not?
One is the wife's, and the one I use,if I was making money with it,than I could not do all the projects that I want to do with it. ;D Like hauling rocks. ::) ;D
It's a sad day...
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4x4 ???
The lt40 is on it's way to Indiana to it's new home
Quote from: 4x4American on October 21, 2017, 01:46:57 AM
The lt40 is on it's way to Indiana to it's new home
8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
Good, Now get the 70 setup like you want.
One going,one coming. ;D
Quote from: 4x4American on October 21, 2017, 01:46:57 AM
The lt40 is on it's way to Indiana to it's new home
I'm sure you'll miss it. I stopped to fill the truck with diesel and had my LT40 in tow and the guy filling his rig on the other side of the isle says, "Man I wish I had one of those in my family!" So yes, it's hard to part with a family member.
Been there. done that. 2 or 3 times. chin up. dry them eyes and get to making some lumber to take yer mind off it,
PC
I'm wearing a black shirt today here at the sawmill to commerate her lol
She was a good girl, and far as I can tell going to a good home. I gave the father and son team a few hours teaching them on it and we cut a couple ugly beech logs. The son picked right up on it and you could tell the father was very cautious I made sure they watched out for the sacred guide arm and moved it and the debarker out of the way dragging boards back.
Quote from: 4x4American on October 21, 2017, 01:21:17 PM
I'm wearing a black shirt today here at the sawmill to commerate her lol
I know you're kidding. I have sold 2 and never shed a tear. :D :D :D :D :D
Now if had no mill, then I'd be smiley_crying
I wouldn't be sad to be left with just an Lt 70 wide :)
lol peter must have been wearing his waders cause he got right through it lol
I was actually wearing a black shirt but it was just the first one I grabbed out of the laundry basket. I told my mill hand there today that I was wearing black in mourning for the old mill being gone we had a good chuckle. No I'm glad that its gone and happy it sold so fast.
My good friend Mr Bruno stopped in on his way to get some blades today.
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Looks like 2 state workers!!! ;D
It was a good visit
I always learn something when I stop in :)
Pete has a top shelf operation
I see the new Cat fit right in
Looks like someone got the short stick to me.
PC
:D :D :D :D
Cat works just right.
Load time,45min.
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So I take it you are making more money off from the chips? You use to have someone come in and do all that.
How do you know when it's full, when it starts spilling over the sides?
Quote from: thecfarm on October 25, 2017, 07:20:44 PM
So I take it you are making more money off from the chips? You use to have someone come in and do all that.
His price came down. So he's out. :D With the cat I can load anyone now.
I can sell chips for more $$
Quote from: 4x4American on October 25, 2017, 07:22:51 PM
How do you know when it's full, when it starts spilling over the sides?
The driver tells me when he's full.
Wait, it takes 45 min to fill that trailer? Is the truck far away from your pile?
Give the old guy a break,he is a state worker too. :D
He just got that equipment. Wait until he gets a few more loaded trucks under his belt.
Quote from: SlowJoeCrow on October 26, 2017, 09:21:01 AM
Wait, it takes 45 min to fill that trailer? Is the truck far away from your pile?
There is some travel, 100' one way,
I think I can cut the time some, by running the Cat faster. But, I'm good at 45.
By the way this saw mill thing is suppose to be fun. 8) 8) :D :D
I bet in a couple more loads, you'll have it down to 30 minutes!
Quote from: SlowJoeCrow on October 27, 2017, 09:43:24 PM
I bet in a couple more loads, you'll have it down to 30 minutes!
Will see, The truck is coming back Monday, 5 or 6 loads left I think.
The 70 is working out pretty good so far. I've got 50 hrs on it so far and am still learning to perfect all the controls but I feel like I'm getting the hang of it not too bad.
We cut over 4mbf with it today of 4" cants and 1.25" flitches. There was 3300'ish of cants in two packs, one pack was 15 layers high 50" wide lol we got to that point it was raining on us and we just pushed harder. Now tomorrow when it's raining all day we'll be running the cants through the chopsaw and resaw.
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That's a good bit off sawing. So is the LT70 that much better than your old mill? I keep thinking about getting one but it's hard to justify for me.
the 70 is most definitely that much better than the old mill. ;D ..the 70 fixed alot of problems I had with the old mill, for cutting for the industry that I'm cutting for. It does have a couple things I don't like about it but 2 negatives compared to 80 positives ain't no thang. I will say, if you're sawing by yourself, a 50 wide would probably be a good way to get into a wide head, bigger engine, chain turner and vertical backstops.
Now you need a roof over it.
Ya tell me about it :D
4x4 do you have the blade rolling down yet?? :D :D ;)
And what blade do you use??
Oh yea, I got the blade rolling going pretty good. It makes all the difference to have a flat blade. If you don't hve a flat blade your lumber will look like you sharpened your blade with a dremel tool lol
I use wm 7/39 .055" 1-1/2" 195" and kasco 7/40 1-1/2 .055" 195" on the seventy
Quote from: 4x4American on November 07, 2017, 07:35:01 PM
Oh yea, I got the blade rolling going pretty good. It makes all the difference to have a flat blade. If you don't hve a flat blade your lumber will look like you sharpened your blade with a dremel tool lol
I use wm 7/39 .055" 1-1/2" 195" and kasco 7/40 1-1/2 .055" 195" on the seventy
I kinda like that look.... :)
More power to ya man, long as your customers do too thats all that matters
The Cat is working good, But, sometimes it makes a mess. :D :D
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Was going to roll the 20' log on the arms not push the mill over. ::)But the cat pulled it back.
I was just thinkin that the mill do look crooked! :-\
All fixed now. 8)
Ain't in an awesome feelin when you see that it's fixable and then fixed?
8) 8) 8)
Hey Peter I was wondering what size John Deere you have it looked like a 5400 series but wasn't sure I've been shopping around a little lately
Whoops, DanGit!! How do you get all that sawdust out of there, it looks like it's blocked in with everything around it. Surely you don't shovel it??
Yes a 5410, A 2000 model, 81 horse, Most come with a 65 horse. I found this one through a JD dealer. It was a trade in with less than a 1000 hrs on it.
Come to find out the old owner had ordered it with a bigger engine.
Cab with heat and AC. In NH when cutting firewood in the winter for the next year. It is nice to have a cup of coffee and warm up some. In the summer with the AC I don't want to get out of it. :D :D :D $30,000.
A lot of times going to a dealer can be a good thing.
And I wanted one made in the US. When you get over 50 horse they're made here.
Just like the Cat I got, Went through a dealer. Under 4000 hrs dealer maintained.
Just tell the dealer what you are looking for and call when one comes in.
Well its 6;15 AM, I got some logs to scale and a bunch of customers coming today. gotta go.
Slow Joe, just saw your post, I move the lumber with the cat then use the JD with a bucket, I can drive right in. Put it in the GMC 3500, del to a farmer in town, he fills the truck with cow poo. ;D I have piles of poo all over. It sells well.
That's 4 days of sawing.
thats what i thought it was i was looking at a 5420 open station 81hp with 3000ish hrs on it and factory jd loader they were asking $21900 thought that didnt sound to bad i have a 4020 now with no loader and im ready to move to a front assist with loader the one thing i wish it had was a left hand reverse but o well glad to see yours can handle some big logs. i used the farms 6430 the other day to move a 42-36" by 10' walnut log and i think it was about all it wanted unless i put weight on the back but got it loaded know i just have to decide if i want to set it on my mill ???
Maybe cut it in half first. [the long way] good luck. 8)
11 loads like this went out.
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And always making more. ;D
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Sometimes loading a customers lumber can be a pain.
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20' in a 24' box
Ah but putting them in is much better that taking them out...
UHaul should make flatbeds.
And did you ask them how they planned to unload?
some questions are probably better not asked. :D
Quote from: Darrel on November 22, 2017, 10:47:37 PM
UHaul should make flatbeds.
And did you ask them how they planned to unload?
NO. I said have a safe trip. ;D
Peter cuts them,and loads them. :D
man, i hope he does not have to make a panic stop.
I was there and seen him load em :)
It went like clock work :)
With the Cat and John
Let's not forget Jake
Looks like a nice flat 20 foot long roof. ;D Just saying.
Quote from: thecfarm on November 23, 2017, 07:37:57 AM
Peter cuts them,and loads them. :D
Loads em and leaves em. :D :D
Could be simple. Tie one of the middle ones to something solid and drive up. ;D The trick would be what to do with it after it's on the ground. The outside ones would have to move to the middle so as not to rip the door tracks off.
quote - "I hope he does not have to make a panic stop."
If the load is loaded tight to the front wall, no inertia can build up in a "brake - check" stop to cause damage. The force of all freight pushes evenly across the front of the van. On a flatbed trailer "false bulkhead" is built by stacking wood and chaining / strapping it down in front of the load to prevent forward movement.
The price on W Pine went from .34 a bf to .38 this week is what some big mills are paying now.
I think by spring it will be .40 a bf for logs. :o
I'm going to set my log price at .40 to make my price list for lumber for 2018.
What grades and lengths do you accept? Do you have to take knotty uppers to get the loggers to sell to you?
There is talk of a 35 percent increase in lumber up here in canada. That is good for me.
Quote from: Dave Shepard on November 26, 2017, 01:49:18 PM
What grades and lengths do you accept? Do you have to take knotty uppers to get the loggers to sell to you?
All the big mills only want 12',14',16', and maybe some 10' logs.
What happens is the logs get cut mostly 16' some loggers don't look at the logs and there like a boomerang. :D :D
Over at A&P Saw Mill I want gun barrel straight logs, So that means [old school].
Cut the logs the way they come out of the tree, I get 8'6" and up to 16'6" some 20'6" too
And I pay the same for an 8' like a 16'. If the grade is there.
Hunch back logs, logs with 2 piths, 4"+ knots are pallet logs. Less $$ for them.
At one time that's how trees where cut.
I met a new to me old logger on Saturday was happy I buy 8' logs.
I just half to wach out I don't just get the top half of the tree in a load, The butts had better be there too. :D :D
When I started buying all this wood some truckers, loggers, tryed to pull a fast one from time to time on me. :D
It took a while to weed them out. Now I have a good bunch and they know me better too.
The bigges thing [ THE MONEY IS THERE] no bull.
Buying 8'and 10' brings loggers in.
Dave In the mill biz I do get some knoty stuff, But if I don't pay much for it and tell them [DON'T BRING ME THAT JUNK] :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
They get it. Like I tell the them no smaller than 10" top. Some 8" will come too.
It is what it is, So I try to market the not so good logs.
The loggers don't grow the trees, They just work with it.
What I will not buy is Red rot W Pine.
I got one logger all mad at me because he brought a ½ load of red rot junk. Culled most of it.
It is a Monday, ::)
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Nothing went real wrong ,but nothing went exactly right either. No one was hurt I guess.
PC
dancing-jack fiddle-smiley
I see you are making some nice tapered ramps. I have a set I park my truck on, makes it easier to service.
I did that today too Pete..except with a 5" x 9" x 8' piece of hemlock :D . What I do when that happens is balance it on the tire and put my weight on it and pivot it up onto the bed, when its too heavy i reach over and grab it with the cat
That was a 10x12x10, Cats do reach. :D :D :D :D ;)
Today was like monday.
First, I run the Cat over some pallets. ::)
Then another one. ::)
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With the days in the teens the Cat starting hard, So I called THE CAT MAN..$$$$$$
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Wensday I hope is better. :D :D
Hope he fixed it......maybe. :D :D :D
Shoulda boughta a Kohler. :D :D
Something is wrong IMO..usually Cats are great at cold starts. In the manual on the 420E IT it says you dont need to use the glow plugs unless it's under 0 degrees and I've tested that and it's true and the batteries that are in it are iffy...prolly needa get new ones soon. Seems like it never ends...
Can't you plug it up and keep the engine warm?
4x4, I seriously doubt that cat has glowplugs.
Poston we have to plug stuff in in winter when it gets below 0, but it do get expensive.
Quote from: POSTONLT40HD on November 28, 2017, 09:11:50 PM
Can't you plug it up and keep the engine warm?
Yes, I can. I think with the cold any water in the diesel will give you fits. I put in some stuff in the tank to fix that.
Maybe.
Starmac, It has glow plugs. When it's cold enough, they come on, on their own. ;D
My cat has glow plugs too pete.. they aren't automatic they are manual on a switch. iirc the 315 cat's we ran at the excavation company didnt have glow plugs..we didn't really need them anyways
I did not realize any true cat engines had glow plugs these days.
The CAT man, ouchy.
I do my own mechanics. But the cold is a pain for diesels sometimes. Had a Dresser dozer wouldn't start yesterday. Still haven't got it going.
Quote from: bozzaa69 on December 01, 2017, 06:23:45 PM
I do my own mechanics. But the cold is a pain for diesels sometimes. Had a Dresser dozer wouldn't start yesterday. Still haven't got it going.
I gave up on the mechanics thing . I grease and change the oil and all the filters. But that's it. I make lumber, the CAT man fixes the CAT. The GM man fixes my two trucks, The John Deere man fix My John Deere.
That way it's done fast and right.
And I'm pushing out lumber.
Quote from: bozzaa69 on December 01, 2017, 06:23:45 PM
Had a Dresser dozer wouldn't start yesterday. Still haven't got it going.
I also have a dresser dozer. It's a cat and dozes on my dresser every night. :D :D :D :D :D
Nice day today, and got a late start,
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Use my laser level and cut off the tops of the posts. I had some 4"x12"x24' and 2"x12"24' lumber laying around and used that.
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I put some grease on the bigger lag bolts,
I didn't have a 32' timber around so I cut a R Oak from out in my woods.
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The cat has a tilt on the body and forks.
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Makes it easy to move the timbers sideways,
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Can put the timber where ever I want it.
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Bad pix, But started down the back side.
Should have been done today, But, at 63 I'm not as fast as I used to be. :D :D ;D
The Cat does it all. Now that's a machine.
Quote from: thecfarm on December 03, 2017, 06:21:23 PM
The Cat does it all. Now that's a machine.
With a machine like that most of the sawmill work is a little easier.
Quote from: Peter Drouin on December 03, 2017, 07:02:49 PM
Quote from: thecfarm on December 03, 2017, 06:21:23 PM
The Cat does it all. Now that's a machine.
With a machine like that most of the sawmill work is a little easier.
You make it look easy, at 63 you are still getting it done!
Looking good :)
More to do before spring, Can't have FF members over and be uncomfortable Bruno.
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Thanks ,nativewolf, I try.
Nice, Peter!
I need new glasses.
Welp today we started cutting a load of ties with da 70. About 7hrs of cutting with two catchers and one pitcher we sawed 39 7x9 ties, 1200+- bf of cants and 1500+- bf of 5/4 flitches to turn into pallet stringers. For the logs we were cutting it wasnt too bad, had to be houdini on alot of them to squeeze a tie out of. I'm thinking that if I had a good run of 12-14" diameter logs that were fairly straight we cud prolly cut 65+ ties in a day with the mill. Still getting the feel for everything but I'm tickled with the 70. It is in fact a skookum choocher. Also cut a guy out 200bf adk siding for his shed and he came and picked it up about 10 min after we cut it, just in the nick of time lol
Quote from: 4x4American on December 04, 2017, 07:24:56 PM
Welp today we started cutting a load of ties with da 70. About 7hrs of cutting with two catchers and one pitcher we sawed 39 7x9 ties, 1200+- bf of cants and 1500+- bf of 5/4 flitches to turn into pallet stringers. For the logs we were cutting it wasnt too bad, had to be houdini on alot of them to squeeze a tie out of. I'm thinking that if I had a good run of 12-14" diameter logs that were fairly straight we cud prolly cut 65+ ties in a day with the mill. Still getting the feel for everything but I'm tickled with the 70. It is in fact a skookum choocher. Also cut a guy out 200bf adk siding for his shed and he came and picked it up about 10 min after we cut it, just in the nick of time lol
what sort of tie pricing are you getting up there?
Wait till you get good with the 70, :D :D :D
Get all set up like you want and you will do a 100 7x9 a day. 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
For sure Peter..and maybe if they made your .065" blades so I could cut faster :D .
Native wolf theyre at fiddy five cents rn fob sawmill
Try putting on two blades one inside the other.
I would like to try a .065 1¼x 7 blades 4x4..
Had a customer from a lumber yard. :D :D :D :D
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Cat man, I have air getting in the fuel line, Think it's coming from the new fuel pump that was put in.
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Oh man, it bugs me when the repairs need repairing.
Hope it's a quick and easy fix!
New fuel pump was bad, He put in #2 new pump, All on warranty,
Good now, Maybe. :D :D :D :D :D :D
The biggest thing is the 30,000 bf of W Pine I ordered from 3 loggers.
I NEED LOGS. arg-smiley :D :D :D :D
:christmas:
DanG Peter, do you ever sleep?
You guys have the best toys. What age would you say you need your first cat? Tilt arm optional after you get your feet wet I assume :)
Quote from: Peter Drouin on December 08, 2017, 06:15:33 PM
The biggest thing is the 30,000 bf of W Pine I ordered from 3 loggers.
I think they may have dropped them off in my yard. smiley_sweat_drop
Quote from: YellowHammer on December 08, 2017, 10:02:02 PM
DanG Peter, do you ever sleep?
I'm up and running-doggy just like you and Mr Goat. ;D
:christmas:
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Winter has come to A&P Saw Mill.
Winter came here 1 week ago with about that much snow and most of that snow is still on the ground.
So I guess you've closed up.....right Peter? ;D
Looks like a Christmas card. All the yard needs is a Christmas tree. (Preferably a White Pine, free of shake, rot, sweep, no knots bigger than 3", and high scale on BF.) :)
Peter's thought of that.
The Very Valuable White Pine is high and centered right over the Cat.
His ladder might be long enuff to get some lights up there.
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Nice job Kbeitz. 8) 8)
Quote from: POSTONLT40HD on December 10, 2017, 12:34:05 PM
So I guess you've closed up.....right Peter? ;D
Ya, I have a curly Mapel log to cut for a customer then Fill an order of 50- 2x10x16 for one customer and 40 of the same for another.[Hemlock] Then go back and cut some inventory. 8' 2x4,2x6,2x8,2x10,4x4,4x6,6x6, all Hemlock, Then start on some 16' Pine inventory. Tuesday I can start some 10' inventory 2x4,2x6,2x8,2x10,4x4, Fill an order for some 4x6 and 6x6x10' then cut 4x6 and 6x6 for inventory.
Then
Peter, what you gonna do after lunch? :D
Quote from: scleigh on December 10, 2017, 10:21:20 PM
Peter, what you gonna do after lunch? :D
:D :D It will take two days to do all that, I have to chip all the slabs and that takes some time. And customers will stop in then I have to stop cutting and help them.
And that, my friends is a problem. [stop cutting to help customers].
I have to sell lumber, But don't have enough sales to pay a full time sawyer to replace me cutting.
It's like at different times of the year are busier than other times. In the slow time My setup works good. Then there are times I can use 4 guys helping me.
I do have my grandson Jake, And he likes working at the sawmill.[ Good thing] :D :D
That's why I'm putting up a 30'x40' shed to fill with lumber to try to stay ahead with lumber.
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Good to hear you have an interested grandson, that's great. Teach him well and give him jobs that will make him not lose his interest...and don't let him see "Bad Peter"!!
Having fun now, ::)
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The snow doesn't bother him either. SlowJoeCrow.
I dose me, I have to plow it in the morning, Have snow cfarm? :D :D
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Snow just stopped over here about an hr ago. My phone says 70% chance it's gonna pick back up again at 21:00 and then simmer back down. Roads were a mess it came down pretty good for awhile there. I didn't measure but I would say we got all of 8". I'm glad I stayed at the mill til 9:15 last night cleaning up anything that was gonna be in the way of plowing, filling in potholes and leveling up some earth that needed leveling before winter froze it. Oh yea and I got the sawmill inside for the winter. Just in the nick of time lol Peter I needa build me some lumber storage sheds. It's not conducive to working to have snow piled up on top of piles of lumber. Plus would be nice to be able to pull something in and work on it.
Peter,I might have 6 inches on the ground. Just keeps me from working the land,all this white frozen stuff. I play around in the woods some,seem like it takes twice as long,but it gets me out of the house. ;D
4x4 why is your 70 up in the air?
Cfarm, Out of the house is good, I have to plow in the morning, Then have a full truck load of slabs to chip.
Quote from: Peter Drouin on December 12, 2017, 10:17:59 PM
4x4 why is your 70 up in the air?
I was wondering the same thing I always like to put atleast 1-1/2 under the tires it seems to help get the jacks under the deck but I'm new so I'm all for any new tricks
Quote from: Peter Drouin on December 12, 2017, 10:17:59 PM
4x4 why is your 70 up in the air?
Cfarm, Out of the house is good, I have to plow in the morning, Then have a full truck load of slabs to chip.
I think the real question is why the heck do they have it so low to the ground? :D
I put the mill up in the air to make it easier to clean out from underneath it, makes it closer to my eye level, gives more room for the moving components to move around when chunks of wood and bark and all sorts of crud falls down when milling, etc. I've been doing that since 2014
Oh and it's also how I level it. If the mill needs to come up say 1-1/2 on one side I'll put an 1-1/2" of more shims on the side that needs to come up..that's how I level the mill cause I don't like to jack it up with the jacks cause I feel that it's better supported if the wheels have weight on them but you can't quite do that if you need to raise it on one side by quite a bit...so in short for leveling, cleaning, and sighting.
Better than working on your knees.
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Yeah you can dig a hole to stand in but it is a real pita when it is full of water.
PC
I was out plowing snow today and saw a deer ear move. :o
Now they are less than 100 yards away from the mill.
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So not to spook them, I took my pix when I was going by plowing. They were there all day.
Just before I came in I saw another one just behind the green house.
It 18° with a little wind, Where they are is a good place out of the wind,
Cool, huh, ;D
I only have seen a few tracks behind the house. I went down into the woods and saw no tracks. They are after the acorns by the house. I guess they taste better by the house than in the woods. :D
I see more deer on my tractor than walking.
Quote from: thecfarm on December 13, 2017, 05:32:50 PM
I see more deer on my tractor than walking.
A Deer driving a tractor???? :D :D :D
Get out of town! ( old saying )
Quote from: POSTONLT40HD on December 13, 2017, 05:38:24 PM
Quote from: thecfarm on December 13, 2017, 05:32:50 PM
I see more deer on my tractor than walking.
A Deer driving a tractor???? :D :D :D
Get out of town! ( old saying )
Must be a John Deer :D
Quote from: thecfarm on December 13, 2017, 05:32:50 PM
I see more deer on my tractor than walking.
DanG,gotta quote myself so these grits eater will get it right.
I said on my tractor. Did not say the deer was driving my tractor,but the deer are on the tractor. :D The deer around here can't drive a standard.
Oh dear!
Sorry Ray, when I first read your "Deer on the Tractor" I thought
it was another Christmas Contest hint. :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
That will be next year. :D :D
I looked and we don't have a member with username "Deer on the Tractor". At least, not yet :D.
Quote from: thecfarm on December 13, 2017, 05:32:50 PM
I see more deer on my tractor than walking.
The view from thecfarm's porch. :rifle:
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:D :laugh: :D
Well done Roxie! :D :D Poor Ray. ;D
Deer on the run, :D :D :D :D
My Cat was slipping and sliding all over with the snow and ice.
So kitty got new claws. :D :D
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One thing about ice chains, they chew up the ice, No need for sand.
A little cool this morning,
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18°
By morning it will be 4°. I have a bunch of customers coming Friday.
I'm not even going to start the mill,
I'm getting a tooth pulled a 7:30 then going home and work in the shop :)
Running the mill on Saturday they say it will be warmer
:D :D :D :D
No sawing here today.
-22C / -7F
Only one waterline frozen. Spent the day trying to figure it out...
Still frozen. It's a head scratcher
Peter, I looked under your had and you are starting to look tire'd. :o
Thats a good loint about ice chains. My cat just slides all over and I just ride it out...them ice chains be a good idea make the yard less slippery and help the sun melt it quicker. Where you get them from cat?
Roxie.....you are off the chain fly girl. :D :D :D :D :D (hood talk)
Quote from: Bruno of NH on December 14, 2017, 07:02:24 PM
I'm getting a tooth pulled a 7:30 then going home and work in the shop :)
:)
4x4 I have a logger store In Tanworth NH, Windy Ridge Corporation.
They have anything you want for cutting or pulling trees.
Not bad, $1800.00 for all 4.
I could have gotten a lighter set, Like I did for John. But, the Cat is too big, so I got skidder
chains. ½" wire
They do have bigger ones. :D :D :D :D :D
Just think if I load a customer's truck/ trailer and the Cat slides with a load.
Bad enough with the steel forks, I was picking up some 16' Hemlock logs, And they would slide off. Good thing the forks tilt.
Quote from: Peter Drouin on December 14, 2017, 09:53:27 PM
Not bad, $1800.00 for all 4.
You paid that much for tire chains? :o :o :o
Would you be interested in a tract of highly valuable Walnut in Key West? :D
Up here in the north we don't fool around with the little stuff. ;D
I have a bunch of Walnut in the barn. ;)
$1800 for 4 ice chains thats not bad. Getting chains for a skidder is like 2 grand per chain I thought. It's worth it up here. I love the idea of the ice chains breaking up the yard giving people traction to walk also. The yard is a sheet of ice right now, bring your ice skates to work :D . I got the backhoe kinda stuck (had to use the bucket to push itself out) 3 times plowing the other day when I went too far pushing snow over the steep banks. The logs slide off the forks like trying to pick up a wet fish wearing boxing gloves would be nice if the forks tilted or even had a grapple that came down. Hard to stack logs too being packed with ice and then saw through the frozen mud. The backhoe slides all over the place trying to get around in a timely fashion. Lumber slips and slides on the forks have to be real careful to not lose it...The south don't sound so bad sometimes :D
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These guys are in maine I guess and they weld the chains in their shop custom sizes and all. Was gonna see what they get for a set of chains for the front tires on the hoe. [/font]
Quote from: 4x4American on December 14, 2017, 10:54:23 PM
The south don't sound so bad sometimes :D
True, but you'd havta eat grits! :D :D :D
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Quote from: 4x4American on December 14, 2017, 10:54:23 PM
The south don't sound so bad sometimes :D
True, but you'd havta eat grits! :D :D :D
Long as I an put maple syrup on em I don't think theyr half bad! (I don't think theyr half good either though)
4x4 Spread on your ice in the yard, you won't need chains. ;D
Quote from: Peter Drouin on December 15, 2017, 05:56:49 AM
4x4 Spread on your ice in the yard, you won't need chains. ;D
Spread what peanut butter? Grits? lol
In my experience, SAWDUST is the best ice melt that can be had. Biodegradable and plenty of it around the mill. Just a sprinkling on your ice will give you traction and melt the snow/ice way faster than you can think. At least faster than I can think before coffee.
Since we are talking thinking, I think I could spread a little sawdust pretty often through the winter way cheaper than $1800. However we dont always have snow through the winter so your results may vary.
PC
I picked up a nice set of chains for duel wheels at the junkyard.
I'm going to make them fit my bigger kubota. I had no idea they
cost that much...
All it takes is one little mishap prevented and those chains will have paid for themselves. Good on you for getting them, I also had noeyedeer that they were that expensive. While we are on the subject, make sure you guys that are on the ice have chains for yourselves as well. I am talking about ice cleats for your boots - nobody needs to slip and fall - stay safe eveyone!
K I just made another set for the Bobcat . Took 2 old sets of car chains used one set to double the width . Just bolted the cross links together Just carry extra bolts until the threads get beat up .
I have a set of kahtoola microspikes I keep with me at all times. works great on snow, ice, and mud.
I also use them when I am working chimney fires and get stuck on the roof. I have never fallen off a roof during a fire call. I also have not used them on steel roof :)
Canadian chains make as good a set a chains you can buy, but they aren't cheap. I got a set of chains for my 2wd all terrain forklift from tire chains.com real cheap. The lift was helpless in an inch and of snow, let alone ice. With the chains the thing is a tank now and will go in a foot of snow.
For my boots,I've used hex head sheet metal screws when it gets real icy,not allowed in the house or metal roof.
Good chains are not cheap, cheap chains are expensive though.
Most of us run trigs on our trucks around here, over 500 bucks for a set of three railers these days. X2 and that is a grand just for a truck, plus a single when you need it on the steer axle. Loaders, road graders, skidders, all go up accordingly from there.
Paul c, It's too cold up here for the sawdust to work like that. Most times it makes it worse.
Look at this way I will never have to buy more in my lifetime. And it chews the snow and ice well. I took a pix, don't know if you can see it, No slipping when I walk around the yard.
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Now if I can find a pallet that won't slip off each other I would have something.
2x8x16' arg-smiley arg-smiley arg-smiley arg-smiley arg-smiley arg-smiley
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The Cat dose help pick up the mess ::)
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Broke a bunch if stickers too.
After I Got the mess cleaned up I went to the farmers that likes my sawdust.
He fills my 1 ton with cow poooo. 3 loads 8)
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Stuff is hot. ;D I have piles all over my place.
If WDH and the goat come to the North East get together, They can fill their pockets. :D :D :D :D
Peter lol lol lol how much you charge a pocketful to a scallawag?
Hey what if you put snowmobile studs on the bottoms of your pallets?
Quote from: 4x4American on December 15, 2017, 07:50:04 PM
Peter lol lol lol how much you charge a pocketful to a scallawag?
Hey what if you put snowmobile studs on the bottoms of your pallets?
pocketfuls are free to scallawag. :D :D :D
Studs will mess up the lumber.
Does your cat have a joystick with a button to roll the bucket? I have on my cat and a button for the tilt, Side by side. I sometimes move the wrong one. yikes_smiley
I have a roller button but it's for the aux hydraulics on the loader. The loader is a normal 4 way joystick plus that button. The hoe controls are the same (pilot controls) and there is a button for the horn and a roller button for the extendahoe. I think I would really dislike that roller button activating something substantial like the tilt. There must be a way to change that I would think
Once I get the hang of it, I'll be good,
The Cat man said He could speed up the roller button action. For me, it's fast enough.
I suppose it is old school thinking, but I have never been a fan of switches for controls. Lately I have been running an old hood loader that is strictly hydraulic controls, everything on the joysticks, except for the foot swing, out riggers and live heel. The live heel being on a separate lever is something of a pain, but it is still nice to have a feel for the hydraulics.
Nothing wrong with old school, starmac.
I always enjoy this thread.
A day in the life of A&P Sawmill.
I'm glad you like it cfarm.
In a way it's a story of how a man can go from a traveling sawer to having a sawmill business at home.
This thread was the first one I read on the foresty forum and I read every page of it and it perspired me to join da forum. It's all your fault Pete!
Ya way to go peter, attracting all dem 4x4's like Dug. :D
I too have enjoyed this thread and it is my daily go to along with watchya sawin. It is nice to see how the upper crust does it. Me? I am kinda white trash trailer park. ;D
Youall have got me thinking about your log/lumber moving kittens. Makes me want to paint my forklift blue and white and call it my smurf.
PC
I've enjoyed reading every page posted and learned a lot, only problem is now I want a slab chipper, and a dump truck, and to build a bigger shed...
:)
Well, 4x4, My life has been, [It's all your fault pete]. Started when my school mates started getting married, I was the last one to get hitched. I kept the boys out too late.
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Pual C, What upper crust thing, I started life with 0. ;D
Resonator, I got the chipper because I can sell chips easer than slabs.
I do sell some ½ cord bundled slabs for boiling Maple syrup in the spring,
Then chips for landscaping.
I have no doubt that the reason you are on the north side of zero today is your work ethic. The world needs more folks that will work.
PC
Always used to have to chain up the forklift to get it around the yard even with an inch of snow, was a real pita, last week I filled the solid tires up with the screw in studs the wackos put in their dirtbike tires, world of difference, doesnt get stuck on nothing any more,
Good idea, alanh
Quote from: alanh on December 16, 2017, 02:30:34 PM
Always used to have to chain up the forklift to get it around the yard even with an inch of snow, was a real pita, last week I filled the solid tires up with the screw in studs the wackos put in their dirtbike tires, world of difference, doesnt get stuck on nothing any more,
I need to try that on my clark forklift as its tires are almost bald. Thanks alanh for that idea.
PC
I figured that is all we would get if we come up there. Just a bunch of poo :D.
Quote from: paul case on December 16, 2017, 09:05:00 AM
Ya way to go peter, attracting all dem 4x4's like Dug. :D
I too have enjoyed this thread and it is my daily go to along with watchya sawin. It is nice to see how the upper crust does it. Me? I am kinda white trash trailer park. ;D
Youall have got me thinking about your log/lumber moving kittens. Makes me want to paint my forklift blue and white and call it my smurf.
PC
Well paul I am sure that even Peter and YellowHammer etc are jealous of your chicken house saw buildings, room to spare is a luxury!
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Quote from: paul case on December 16, 2017, 09:05:00 AM
Ya way to go peter, attracting all dem 4x4's like Dug. :D
I too have enjoyed this thread and it is my daily go to along with watchya sawin. It is nice to see how the upper crust does it. Me? I am kinda white trash trailer park. ;D
Youall have got me thinking about your log/lumber moving kittens. Makes me want to paint my forklift blue and white and call it my smurf.
PC
Well paul I am sure that even Peter and YellowHammer etc are jealous of your chicken house saw buildings, room to spare is a luxury!
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PC has a nice place, But, The red iron building that WDH and customsawer have are real nice, Any way all you guys in the south with all most flat roofs I'm jealous.
Up here your roof had better hold up a glacier and be 4' in the ground. :D
Quote from: Peter Drouin on December 17, 2017, 09:01:46 AM
The red iron building that WDH and customsawer have are real nice
x2
i am just a repurposer.
They built with purpose.
PC
Who was [they]?? PC
WDH and customsawyer.
If you built a sawmill shed it would not be like my chicken house.
PC
Cutting some W Pine today, Some logs are just nice.
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With no knots, That's a 12"x12"x16'6"
Outher logs had some 1'x12"x8'x6".
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Have a few more to do, and stick some lumber before Friday when the snow comes.
It's a pain then blocking and lumber disappears in the snow.
:christmas:
Some of the best white pine that I have seen.
White Pine don't come no prettier than that!
That's some nice wood
Not naughty at all, that's nice! Peter, if that's for your own stock, do you keep separate and sell as premium product $?
Quote from: Peter Drouin on December 03, 2017, 05:52:23 PM
Nice day today, and got a late start,
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Use my laser level and cut off the tops of the posts. I had some 4"x12"x24' and 2"x12"24' lumber laying around and used that.
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I put some grease on the bigger lag bolts,
I didn't have a 32' timber around so I cut a R Oak from out in my woods.
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The cat has a tilt on the body and forks.
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Makes it easy to move the timbers sideways,
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Can put the timber where ever I want it.
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Bad pix, But started down the back side.
Should have been done today, But, at 63 I'm not as fast as I used to be. :D :D ;D
At 68 I'm not fast, I'm half fast :)
78NHTFY, I try to sell it, But, No one want's it at $1.50 to $2.00 BF. I have a pallet full I set to one side.
Maybe if I kiln dry it. I only make 5/600 bf of o knot stuff a year out of all the pine I cut.
But i'm not sawing for it, The customers I have are looking for #2 com. So I just hammer out 1" lumber in Pine.
:christmas:
½ fast, Jjoness4, :D :D :D :D
Quote from: Jjoness4 on December 21, 2017, 08:47:17 PM
At 68 I'm not fast, I'm half fast :)
Now, say that quickly three times! ;D
Not without ending up in the woodshed you wouldn't :D
Quote from: Jjoness4 on December 21, 2017, 08:47:17 PM
At 68 I'm not fast, I'm half fast :)
I have a grandson (I love him dearly) who at this stage in his life is "half fast". He's 13.
RE: Post # 2277. A Northeast Get Together? A secret?
I think you still got time to put in your reservation?
https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php/topic,98706.0.html
PC
Logs in the snow, I was hoping he would come yesterday when the sun was out.
More work now, had to pile them.
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So much glaciation.
So much for global warming. ::)
Peter,
Them logs may be hard to find tomorrow, with the snow thats headded you way tonight. :)
The cat WILL find them. :D
Be careful. We don't want to lose you in the glaciers.
The CAT will find him.
I will be milling some pine or sweet gum today to get some 3/4 X 8's for vertical siding and doors for a yard building. If I go with the gum, I will need to nail it ASAP to minimize warping. And as it dries, the gaps between the boards will be wider, but that is not an issue.
John,
Don't take your eye off that sweetgum or turn your back on it :D.
Quote from: WDH on January 05, 2018, 05:23:04 PM
John,
Don't take your eye off that sweetgum or turn your back on it :D.
If you do turn your back it will come around and look you in the eye. :D
:D :D :D
Yes.
The sweetgum up here cuts nice and straight. :D
Oh it cuts nice and straight here too....
Just kidding Southside, No sweet up here . Maybe someone can tell us how far north it goes?
I will be going with the Pine instead of sweet gum. Gum comes "ALIVE" when milled.
Quote from: Peter Drouin on January 06, 2018, 07:37:51 AM
Just kidding Southside, No sweet up here . Maybe someone can tell us how far north it goes?
About as far as Grits. :D
No sweet gum,but poplar will sometimes follow you down the log when sawing.
Quote from: 47sawdust on January 07, 2018, 10:49:27 AM
No sweet gum,but poplar will sometimes follow you down the log when sawing.
Sometimes a Sweet Gum or stressed Poplar board will load itself on the trailer. :D
IF that happens do you still charge for loading?
$300?
PC
Quote from: paul case on January 07, 2018, 03:34:58 PM
IF that happens do you still charge for loading?
$300?
PC
Yes....the more stress in the wood the less stress for me. ;D
Peter,
I can tell you sweetgum does not grow up this far. The few trees I have seen in WV were planted and not naturally occurring. I see it in Charlotte NC 200 miles south and maybe half way between. We had tons of it in Fla where I grew up.
I remember seeing the leaf in a medical display in Ulaanbataar, the capital of Mongolia, while I passing through there after leaving a project down in the Gobi desert so evidently it grows there and has some medical applications.
FWIW - A type of Chinaberry tree grows in Saudi Araibia and other parts of the mideast and is called a Neem tree. It is also used for some local medicines and teas and such over there. (Dad said hogs down in central Fla where he was raised would starve to death if there was a chinaberry tree around because they sit under it all day long waiting for a berry to fall then fighting over it when it did fall rather than getting out and foraging for readily available food.)
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Had a dog once that would sit all day under the persimmon tree when the 'simons were ripe.
I have seen some decent sized sweet gum in southern Joisey. Maybe it's the winter low that determines how far north it will grow as that area is pretty mild.
Quote from: Darrel on January 07, 2018, 11:44:30 PM
Had a dog once that would sit all day under the persimmon tree when the 'simons were ripe.
I bet he was regular. :D :D :D
Peter
My sweet gum saws straight as an arrow over here too ;)
Bruno
My father-in-law told me about an old farmer back in the day who
cut down a gum tree and had it milled into boards that he used for
a farm wagon bed and when the boards dried out the wagon twisted
so bad that only one wheel was left sitting on the ground. ::)
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Had a friend who had logs he wanted sawed. Told him to bring them to the mill and I would take care of it for him. When I went to see what he had brought it was all gum. Against my better judgement, I went ahead and sawed it. Wasn't bad at all and I sent it on it's way back to where it had come from. This was about 7 or 8 years ago. I was by his house last week and I noticed a tangled mess of rotting wood. It was the sweet gum. Twisted, bent, and bowed and now rotting too!!
On another thread WDH was mentioning planting some improved loblolly pines on his place. I followed the link he posted and the nursery also sells improved sweetgums. I have been wondering how they improved the sweetgum. Did they make the gumballs soft so that they do not hurt my bare feet? Did they precondition the trees to produce logs that will eventually produce high quality, straight boards? Did they improve the tree's benefit for wildlife? I have been cogitating on that for a few days now and would appreciate some enlightenment.
Quote from: Slingshot on January 08, 2018, 01:02:23 PM
My father-in-law told me about an old farmer back in the day who
cut down a gum tree and had it milled into boards that he used for
a farm wagon bed and when the boards dried out the wagon twisted
so bad that only one wheel was left sitting on the ground. ::)
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If that's how good sweet gum is, I'm going to make some apple boxes from green sweet gum and when the wood dries it will squeeze the cider out of the apples.
No can't do that sweet gum doesn't grow here.
One wheel, :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D, Thats bad. :D :D :D :D
Kyle,
Improved for fast growth. And, the faster it grows, the more it twists and warps :D.
Quote from: Sixacresand on January 05, 2018, 09:42:58 AM
I will be milling some pine or sweet gum today to get some 3/4 X 8's for vertical siding and doors for a yard building. If I go with the gum, I will need to nail it ASAP to minimize warping. And as it dries, the gaps between the boards will be wider, but that is not an issue.
From log to wall in 6 days during some of our coldest days. I milled this pine to 1/2 inch thick X 8 inches wide, kinda to match the beaded masonite siding on the original building. When it dries, there will be gaps between the boards which is OK for a yard building lean to. Nancy will paint it anyway when it warms up. All I lack is putting hinges on the doors.
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Very nice. smiley_thumbsup
John,
The doors do work a lot better with hinges :D.
Quote from: WDH on January 22, 2018, 08:04:25 AM
John,
The doors do work a lot better with hinges :D.
Only if you need to open them. :D
The hardware store downtown had some heavy duty hinges, hefty wood screws and carriage bolts. I should be swinging in by tomorrow noon. We are blessed to still have a locally owned hardware store.
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Hard to see,but got some NICE 12' syp logs to saw in the morning for 1x12x12 pine board and batton siding....I cut a lot of that 8)
Like your flag.
Dale
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Not good,
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It's the big one in there, A little rub over the years and it was weeping now leaking bad.
Wheres the cat man when I need him. :D :D
Seems like it's always the one that's in the back or the hardest to get to!
That's why the cat man is going to do the job, I'll make lumber. ;D
Would be a good time to check other hoses, maybe upgrade to heavier psi / wire hose. Maybe some anti-abrasion wrap would help too.
Quote from: Peter Drouin on February 07, 2018, 12:34:56 PM
That's why the cat man is going to do the job, I'll make lumber. ;D
I often wonder if I would be better off taking this approach. I'm too inclined to say I can do it myself and will spend significant time to learn how or simply to dig in and figure it out. Meanwhile I could have been making lumber or making production in some other part of the family enterprise. The repair guys do well for a reason and it's not robbery. It's cause they know their stuff. Most times.
Resonator, I'll give the cat man a piece radiator hose cut the long way to put on the hose.
Grizzly, I don't have all the tools to do the job. I will do a job like change the oil, grease it, change the air and fuel filter. Jobs easy to get at and fast to do.
But you have to remember the cat mans work is guaranteed. ;D
I was talking to 4x4 last night on the phone about my 30"x40" addditon and hire it out. [roof part]. I can do it or make lumber. Will see.
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Peter -
Just wondering what you did to the bottom of those posts to keep them from rotting.
Not a thing. :D :D :D :D
I might put some old oil around where they meet the ground.
At 63 I don't make things to last forever.
IF! My boys ever get the place they can deal with it. :D :D :D :D
Kinda like an 80 year old man want to put 30 year shingles on the house. WHY. ;D
I got some pics to put up anyone know if there's a new way to do it with the new server? I cant find the gallery button. On my mobile btw
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Got some tire chains for my hoe today. Sick of sliding around all over the place and not being able to push anow with the racing slicks I had on the front. They would also compact all the snow and make my yard an ice skating rink. I've fell down and so have others on it. Not good. These chains should help break up the ice a bit. Moved a little snow this afternoon and they were awesome. I could actually push the snow where I wanted it to go. Got them things nice and tight too dont even need bungee cords.
Good photos 4x4 - you must've found the gallery button. ;D
Got similar issues up here in Manitoba - the snow buildup is starting to push back.
Those chains look good. Mind telling us where you sourced 'em?
Sweet - now you just need a big scoop or a Boss type V plow for your hoe - I sure don't miss those days!!! Around here we get enough to plow once every couple of years, so I just lash a big old log to the skidder blade and away I go - no digging in, and when I am done the log has a nice, debarked section!!
I got em from Dick Fogarty of Comstock Logging Supply, he's the man.
lol lol that's too funny southside I like that idear
Eat yer heart out Fisher!!!
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Some days its just hard to go to work innit: All that white sandy beach and palm trees swaying in the breeze and days at 90 and nights at 75. Warm tropical rain with drops sooo big they sting when they hit. Makes a man just want to sit on the verandah and stare at the water all day, then maybe go fishing, then end the day still sitting there with beers watching the bikini girls undulate down the waterfront.
Doesnt it?
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Doesnt it??? :D :D :D
(Y'know guys, 50 is approaching quicker then I'd like and I've never touched snow. Seen it out an airplane window twice, and thats it. Guess I need to attend to that huh... maybe put a finger in it then retreat to the nearest banana tree to contemplate the experience. Weird old world innit?)
Quote from: Peter Drouin on February 07, 2018, 07:55:02 PM
Kinda like an 80 year old man want to put 30 year shingles on the house. WHY. ;D
I sorta like that. :D
Quote from: Southside logger on February 07, 2018, 11:44:05 PM
Eat yer heart out Fisher!!!
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:D I tried pushing snow with the 208 once. Once.
Well, looking at the photos, I would have to say I would rather be milling at Longtimes's place than 4x4's. Both have magnificent views, but one made me want to grab a fishing rod and a beer, and the other made me want to shiver and climb back into bed.
;D ;D
I think I'll wander outside and saw some wood, it's a balmy 33° here, still too cold for us southerners.
Poston Wide Head? Cool name change. Does WM recommend 1 1/2 inch blades on the Wide Head?
Quote from: longtime lurker on February 08, 2018, 05:56:04 AM
Makes a man just want to sit on the verandah and stare at the water all day, then maybe go fishing, then end the day still sitting there with beers watching the bikini girls undulate down the waterfront.
Could be worse, your blade could be undulating, just saying.
33° Yellowhammer :D :D :D :D :D That's hot for this time of the year, I'd be in a light shirt.
:D :D :D :D :D
How about scaling logs in this.
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That was last Wensday, It did stop snowing later.
Load comming Friday.
Quote from: Dave Shepard on February 08, 2018, 09:34:34 AM
Quote from: Southside logger on February 07, 2018, 11:44:05 PM
Eat yer heart out Fisher!!!
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:D I tried pushing snow with the 208 once. Once.
Dave, that's because you were not using one of the very popular Poplar Plows. Starting price of only $300, universal quick hitch not included. 100% made in the USA with all natural, renewable materials!! You can upgrade to our heavy duty Pine Plow and if needed the industrial strength Oak plow!! Call now, operators are standing by!!
Quote from: Peter Drouin on February 08, 2018, 06:28:12 PM
33° Yellowhammer :D :D :D :D :D That's hot for this time of the year, I'd be in a light shirt.
:D :D :D :D :D
How about scaling logs in this.
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That was last Wensday, It did stop snowing later.
Load comming Friday.
That's when your really want to just buy by the ton and have scales!
I don't need the oak plow, it's only a208. :D
Nice chains 4x4.
Quote from: Sixacresand on February 08, 2018, 12:41:31 PM
Poston Wide Head? Cool name change. Does WM recommend 1 1/2 inch blades on the Wide Head?
I didn't know you could change handles here on the forum, I might change my handle to 6x6 american cause now I drive a 1 ton dually and I saw more 6x6's than 4x4's lol lol
Ya gots to have a brand new big head to do dat.
Quote from: Sixacresand on February 08, 2018, 12:41:31 PM
Poston Wide Head? Cool name change. Does WM recommend 1 1/2 inch blades on the Wide Head?
You can run either size. I still run the 1-1/4 .
Quote from: terrifictimbersllc on February 08, 2018, 05:27:00 PM
Quote from: longtime lurker on February 08, 2018, 05:56:04 AM
Makes a man just want to sit on the verandah and stare at the water all day, then maybe go fishing, then end the day still sitting there with beers watching the bikini girls undulate down the waterfront.
Could be worse, your blade could be undulating, just saying.
Ifins he's a sittin on his veranda, the likelihood of his blade undulating is not likely, and even if does, I doubt it will will interfere much with his intended field of vision.
:D :D :D
More wood.
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That's what 10,000 BF looks like, I'll be scaling and putting logs away for the rest of the day. smiley_whip
You can tell it's New England by the pup trailer style and in an area where logging is common by the log diameter . Winter logging makes the best lumber.
I suspect that white on the ground ain't sawdust. 8)
What is that in that second picture ??? ::) Looks like something I would use for firewood.
I have not seen one of those trailers for years. Was a big deal back in the late 70's early 80's.
I bet it is firewood, and I bet it won't be Peter's firewood.
:)
Quote from: Magicman on February 09, 2018, 01:24:54 PM
I suspect that white on the ground ain't sawdust. 8)
Could be from White Pine. ;D
That Cfarm is a or was a 16'9" W Pine log that was hit by lightening at one time. I cut it in half.
Had 3 clear faces in it.
Had the catman help me fix the hose.
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He had tools I don't have.
Good now, Have I ever said I hates ice and snow on the forks. ::) ::)
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I think I'm going to weld some ponts on top of the forks.
So sick of this bull. ::) ::)
Might be easier to just move south - no? :D
Peter: been there a few times this winter.
Q: What's more slippery than frozen lumber on frozen steel?
A: ?
Quote from: Andries on February 11, 2018, 05:11:18 PM
Peter: been there a few times this winter.
Q: What's more slippery than frozen lumber on frozen steel?
A: ?
Beats me....
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Quote from: Andries on February 11, 2018, 05:11:18 PM
Peter: been there a few times this winter.
Q: What's more slippery than frozen lumber on frozen steel?
A: ?
Its just about as slick as the devil wearin velvet britches dipped in a pool of baby oil
Looks like somebody "sawed them and left them". :D
Got my diesel tank all set up the other day. Going to fill with off road stuff less $$$ that way.
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Good for you, saves a lot of money and headache. I assume your Farmers COOP can fill it for you?
Good idea.
Here in the state of Maine we have to have a slab under our tanks.
Oh gosh yes it is a savings. Red fuel is around $0.30 / gallon here cheaper.
The only difference is dye and taxes.
I often wonder about things like "off road diesel".
Red diesel is about $0.13 to $0.20 a gallon less than "on road diesel" here.
Our road use tax is $0.54 ??? I think.
If I'm not using red fuel on the road, how come it's not $0.54 cheaper?
I guess I should quit thinking, and just accept what little discount they're willing to let me have. :D
Da goberment don't pay us to think. Stop it.
Oil man coming Wednesday, 8)
Called Ross [Wood Mizer of Maine] Getting a price on a board return for the edger.
It will be nice to send a flinch in the edger, hit a switch, lumber and waste flips on a conveyor then all comes back to me. Don't even have to move my feet.
Quote from: redprospector on February 12, 2018, 11:54:28 AM
I often wonder about things like "off road diesel".
Red diesel is about $0.13 to $0.20 a gallon less than "on road diesel" here.
Our road use tax is $0.54 ??? I think.
If I'm not using red fuel on the road, how come it's not $0.54 cheaper?
I guess I should quit thinking, and just accept what little discount they're willing to let me have. :D
Because somebody has buy tt loads of fuel, store it somewhere, then load it in a truck and deliver it to you a few hundred gallons at a time. ;)
Peter--it's probably OK now, but just make sure you get the "winter blend" red stuff :snowball:--you don't want that nice cat of yours "gellin up" on ya! I don't buy the stuff in the winter: off-road diesel at the pump is used much more slowly, so that the winter blend fill up doesn't happen 'till well into the winter (at least at the local areas around here) and even then the pump tank may not be empty and so the winter blend is diluted. All the best, Rob.
What a great thread! I appreciate all you taking time to update us. I've been reading for a couple weeks to get caught up. I feel like I've learned some things, time will tell. I don't post often, but I do enjoy keeping up with what you all are doing.
And don't let anyone slip you any biodiesel! The Canaan, NY, highway dept. got a load of it this winter and it gelled everything. EVERYTHING. Over $1,000 in filters to get running again. I guess when you make fuel out of pig fat, it turns back to pig fat when it gets cold.
The winter blend is just more kerosene in it.
I think spring will be here by ½ way into March, Then the road bands will be up.
I hope not, but, The old farmer's almanac from Dubland NH said so. :D :D :D
They're 80% on the money.
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Quote from: Dave Shepard on February 12, 2018, 02:29:11 PM
Quote from: redprospector on February 12, 2018, 11:54:28 AM
I often wonder about things like "off road diesel".
Red diesel is about $0.13 to $0.20 a gallon less than "on road diesel" here.
Our road use tax is $0.54 ??? I think.
If I'm not using red fuel on the road, how come it's not $0.54 cheaper?
I guess I should quit thinking, and just accept what little discount they're willing to let me have. :D
Because somebody has buy tt loads of fuel, store it somewhere, then load it in a truck and deliver it to you a few hundred gallons at a time. ;)
Don't they do the same thing with on road fuel. I can not see the markup being different.
Off road diesel is 33 cents cheaper around here.
PC
It may be that there is a specific excise fee on off road there, government hates to loose a tax so they come up with new ways to call a duck a pig.
It's the Tax thing Mr Case. All of it is mixed for winter, Some have red in it for the off road thing.
Quote from: redprospector on February 12, 2018, 11:54:28 AM
I often wonder about things like "off road diesel".
Red diesel is about $0.13 to $0.20 a gallon less than "on road diesel" here.
Our road use tax is $0.54 ??? I think.
If I'm not using red fuel on the road, how come it's not $0.54 cheaper?
I guess I should quit thinking, and just accept what little discount they're willing to let me have. :D
Are you talking about fuel delivered to you, or are you buying offroad at the pump somewhere? I don't know of any off-road being available at the pump around here, except maybe right at the distributor.
We have off-road fuel at our stations.
Quote from: Dave Shepard on February 12, 2018, 08:58:26 PM
Quote from: redprospector on February 12, 2018, 11:54:28 AM
I often wonder about things like "off road diesel".
Red diesel is about $0.13 to $0.20 a gallon less than "on road diesel" here.
Our road use tax is $0.54 ??? I think.
If I'm not using red fuel on the road, how come it's not $0.54 cheaper?
I guess I should quit thinking, and just accept what little discount they're willing to let me have. :D
Are you talking about fuel delivered to you, or are you buying offroad at the pump somewhere? I don't know of any off-road being available at the pump around here, except maybe right at the distributor.
Yep, buying it at the pump. They'll deliver, but it's an extra $15 to bring less than 500 gallons. My tank is only 300.
I know that we are all only a sorce of revenue for the government. So like I said, I need to just accept what little discount they let me have.
2 of our local farmers cooperatives and 1 casino gas station here have it at the pump. Same as with regular deisel and gasoline, prices may vary.
My dad and I have a 300 gallon tank on a trailer just for getting our farm fuel home. 2 fills a year usually does us.
PC
Hope the big bad dot boys don't notice your 300 gallon tank, da fines get bad.
Was thinking the same thing. Even empty you need a hazmat CDL for a tank that size. Makes no sense.
Quote from: Peter Drouin on December 07, 2017, 06:18:25 PM
Cat man, I have air getting in the fuel line, Think it's coming from the new fuel pump that was put in.
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That Cat man coming all the time is a scary thing for profits aren't it?
Quote from: Southside logger on February 13, 2018, 08:56:49 AM
Was thinking the same thing. Even empty you need a hazmat CDL for a tank that size. Makes no sense.
That is the easy part, you also need hazmat authority and insurance to haul hazmat, for any tank over 119 gallons.
I caint hear a word you all are saying.
PC
QuoteThat Cat man coming all the time is a scary thing for profits aren't it?
It's all how you look at it. He dose good work, I could have Mickey Mouse do it.
Sometimes you have to spend $$$.
I don't give $$$ away, But, I'm not cheap, I have time to do the job one time, not over and over.
He only gets $140.00 an hr.
Quote from: Peter Drouin on February 13, 2018, 12:23:13 PM
He only gets $140.00 an hr.
I only get $75, but I do not work on someone elses stuff. I only saw their logs.
PC
We bought our diesel tank and pump from the COOP, and to get some fuel delivered just grab the IPhone, hit dial, and the fuel tanker magically shows up. The lower cost of off road or farm diesel is because no road taxes are levied which is why you never, never want to get caught on the road with it, say in your truck. Might as well sell the truck to pay the fines. Around here, the troopers will set up stings at the farm shows and cattle auctions and test everybody's tank and see what color it come up. If somebody has been filling their pickumup truck at their farm tractor fuel tank, they will have their evening ruined. It never happened to me, but a buddy hauling logs got stopped on the side of the road and had his fuel tested. It didn't end well.
I believe the off road is a kinder blend for tractors and other heavy diesels, but it results in higher pollution, so can't be used for on road use.
We started buying our propane fork lift bottles by the delivery truck, also. It's cheaper than retail, and again, all I have to do is dial the iPhone and magic, another truck shows up.
Good for you Peter, I hope the board return works out.
Quote from: Peter Drouin on February 12, 2018, 12:15:36 PM
Oil man coming Wednesday, 8)
Called Ross [Wood Mizer of Maine] Getting a price on a board return for the edger.
It will be nice to send a flinch in the edger, hit a switch, lumber and waste flips on a conveyor then all comes back to me. Don't even have to move my feet.
Is this on WMs website? I'd like to see how it works.
The truck came and put in 248 gallons in. Saved .50 a gallon. 8)
Ross is sending me a catalog to see just what I want. If you go and look at the for sale page you can see the lt70, There is a video of it Mr Shepard.
Quote from: YellowHammer on February 13, 2018, 05:27:10 PM
...... all I have to do is dial the iPhone and magic, another truck shows up.
What if Magic is out of town ? ;D
Quote from: YellowHammer on February 13, 2018, 05:27:10 PM
Around here, the troopers will set up stings at the farm shows and cattle auctions and test everybody's tank and see what color it come up.
Around here the Highway Man hardly ever check local farmers, if they do at all but By Cracky they will flood all the campgrounds and Theme Park and check all the out of state RV'S and 5th wheels for off road fuel.
My daughter works for a major fuel distributor and transport company that delivers fuel in six or so states. The diesel comes through the pipeline the same. Dye is added at the terminal as it is loaded on tanker trucks. Most all diesel sold now is low sulfur whether on-road or off-road fuel. Essentially the only difference is tax and dye. Around here a few stations sell off road diesel, sometimes because it doesn't sell quickly they have problems with condensation and other age related problems.
Watch pump labeling when traveling, auto/light truck diesel sometimes has as much as 20% bio. That's what gels so bad with bio. The 5% not so much.
Used to keep a pump tank in my truck bed to refuel equipment at job sites, then about 2010 all of a sudden every time I got off the tpk in Breezewood Pa I'd get pulled over by pa dept of rev and they'd stick my truck tank, got tired of the hassle after the first dozen "inspections" and pulled the tank out of the truck. Not sure if it's true but heard the fine was $1000 per gallon of capacity of the trucks installed fuel tanks, I have a 38 gallon tank so yep, I'd just have to leave them the truck. Also saw it a lot at horse shows in Virginia, both checking for dyed fuel and GCWV registrations on towing vehicles. Lots of big fines levied.
Joe
You can run off road in your truck, Just have a bunch of empty jugs of ATF in the back rolling around.
Tell the cop [I put it in the tank for lube] Red diesel. :D :D :D :D :D ;)
I actually had to do that once, add ATF, had an injector start sticking bad and I figured, what the heck do I have to loose? Within 10 miles it actually cleaned itself up. Now I just use blue 2 cycle oil instead.
Got the log deck all loaded for tomorrow, everything filled up with fuel, lumber moved, ready to go. at 9 pm.
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Go to pull away from the fuel tank. Backhoe turns kinda slow and funny feeling. Look down and
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Put the forks down so the front tires are in the air, unlock the brake pedals so I can steer with the back brakes and drive over close to the air compressor. Got the tire back on the bead seated nice without having to take the chains off. awesome!
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This tire has a slow leak and has come off before. So I figured it had just got low and slipped off. Nope. Come to find out theres a hole in the sidewall. Great...with a TT coming tomorrow after a load. Gonna try and plug it tomorrow am gonna order a new tire from a tire company over in VT. Hope I can hold air enough with a plug to get by. Another gas station supper and just got back hone..and I had a good dinner at home I was looking forward to,,,it'll keep :D ... All in a day and night sawing wood at Knight Sawmill LLC :D
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I'm from the South but it sure looks like you've run over a chain. :D
Just put some skis on that thing!!!
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Quote from: YellowHammer on February 13, 2018, 05:27:10 PM
...... all I have to do is dial the iPhone and magic, another truck shows up.
What if Magic is out of town ? ;D
Then, I'm going to slip into yer place, and use a hosepipe to syphal the juice out of yer new wide.
Quote from: YellowHammer on February 13, 2018, 11:51:35 PM
Quote from: POSTON WIDEHEAD on February 13, 2018, 06:31:05 PM
Quote from: YellowHammer on February 13, 2018, 05:27:10 PM
...... all I have to do is dial the iPhone and magic, another truck shows up.
What if Magic is out of town ? ;D
Then, I'm going to slip into yer place, and use a hosepipe to syphal the juice out of yer new wide.
:D :D :D
Stick a tube in the tire...
I put tubes in all my front tires of the tractors. One see the woods and can see why them would bother. The other ones mostly only see grass. But as soon as they go flat a tube is put in.
Start at 9 am, ½ the day is gone. :D :D :D :D :D
Quote from: Peter Drouin on February 14, 2018, 06:24:00 AM
Start at 9 am, ½ the day is gone. :D :D :D :D :D
PM Peter lol I start at the same time you do
I thought about doing a tube too but I wasnt sure if they would be a pain with getting pinched and all
Quote from: Peter Drouin on February 14, 2018, 06:24:00 AM
Start at 9 am, ½ the day is gone. :D :D :D :D :D
Valentines day today: a late start is sometimes
diplomatic in the name of romance and wives who tolerate washing machine filters clogged up with bits of wozzatree.
I got sick and tired of all my tires going flat on everything. So now any tire that goes flat gets a bottle of slime dumped in it. My UTV no longer has flats, my Zero turn no longer has flats. It is so nice to be able to go start the equipment and use it instead of hoping you have enough air to make it to the compressor before the tire comes off the bead then you spend the next hour fighting with it.
slime slime slime That's one product that I very much dislike...
Wait until you need to remove your tire someday.
one of those tires had fix a flat in it. that is the stuff I despise.
I have had to remove tires with it. I did not have any issues. it just gets a little slimy. No pun intended.
I like the Slime inner tubes. A lot less mess. Little more money, but truly, a lot less mess.
https://www.amazon.com/Slime-30014-Smart-Tube-Tractor/dp/B000LQDGTA/ref=sr_1_fkmr1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1518612437&sr=8-1-fkmr1&keywords=slime+inner+tube+for+lawn+mowers (https://www.amazon.com/Slime-30014-Smart-Tube-Tractor/dp/B000LQDGTA/ref=sr_1_fkmr1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1518612437&sr=8-1-fkmr1&keywords=slime+inner+tube+for+lawn+mowers)
Get mine from TSC.
Bruce
I am going with foam filled on my mulching tractor, should get the tires off on Friday and sent to factory for foam. For the price of foam I could buy new tires but I need the weight as well and I'll run those puppies till I see just cords. I hope to add about 3k pounds to the front tires. Since the darn mulching head weighs 12k pounds I can use all the help I can get.
Our local tire shops in this area will not touch a wheel that has been slimed.
Sometimes you do what you have to do. If my tire shop refused to work on a Slimed tire, I'd give then a pacifier and a rattle and find a new tire shop.
Quote from: Peter Drouin on February 14, 2018, 06:24:00 AM
Start at 9 am, ½ the day is gone. :D :D :D :D :D
AND it is the best half of the day that is gone too!
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Quote from: Peter Drouin on February 14, 2018, 06:24:00 AM
Start at 9 am, ½ the day is gone. :D :D :D :D :D
AND it is the best half of the day that is gone too!
If I read it correctly, he said he was ready to go at 9
pm
I see it now 4x4, ;)
Quote from: Dave Shepard on February 14, 2018, 10:44:32 AM
Sometimes you do what you have to do. If my tire shop refused to work on a Slimed tire, I'd give then a pacifier and a rattle and find a new tire shop.
Well all I can say is have your pacifiers handy. I ran a shop for years and if a tubeless tire came in with slime it either got plugged or went on down the road. I have even pulled them off that had had slime in them for years and the rim be rusted so bad that it was hard to get to seal up with a new tire.
Like I said, you do what you have to do. When the cows need to get fed, and if the only way that's going to happen is by using Slime, then I'm going to use Slime. Slime is part of working on tires these days. It's not fun, but it's also not dangerous like fix a flat. I wouldn't be opposed to a cleanup fee, but since I do most of my own tire work, I just get out :D the hose.
Someone in another thread talked about using Tireject instead of Slime. Being the follower that I am I gave it a shot and am glad I did. I went tubeless in my tractor and skid steer and had some bead sealing issues. Tireject was the answer.
Quote from: tawilson on February 14, 2018, 05:40:35 PM
Someone in another thread talked about using Tireject instead of Slime. Being the follower that I am I gave it a shot and am glad I did. I went tubeless in my tractor and skid steer and had some bead sealing issues. Tireject was the answer.
I had to look that one up... Looks like it got good reviews.
I was way out in the middle of Nowhere Nevada once 60 miles from the nearest blacktop. Had a flat, plugged the hole without success. I didn't want tr run my wheel barrel tire that far neither did I want to walk, so as a last resort, I slimed it. I never leave home without it. A couple days later when I took the tire in to get it fixed I got severely scolded. I asked him what he would have done. He said that he would have used his cell phone instead of slime. And he'd still be sitting there or walking because last I checked cell phones don't make good tire patches and they are otherwise useless in Nowhere Nevada.
:D
60 miles is a long way from a paved road......you do what you have to do!
120 miles of off road for a service call IF a cell phone worked or a $10 bottle of slime? I know what I would do! It wouldn't be calling somebody.
I think I would drive 60 miles on a flat and buy a new rim first. I just hate that stuff.
If I had wood like that I would scale it naked
Quote from: Kbeitz on February 14, 2018, 07:24:59 PM
I think I would drive 60 miles on a flat and buy a new rim first. I just hate that stuff.
Out that way he may have easily been another 60 - 100 miles from anywhere once he got to the paved road. Lakeview to Denio - 120 miles, paved, nothing at all in between, and I mean nothing.
If it wasn't for these tire leak sealers I would have a flat on something every morning.
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Quote from: Kbeitz on February 14, 2018, 07:24:59 PM
I think I would drive 60 miles on a flat and buy a new rim first. I just hate that stuff.
Out that way he may have easily been another 60 - 100 miles from anywhere once he got to the paved road. Lakeview to Denio - 120 miles, paved, nothing at all in between, and I mean nothing.
Gotta love the Blackrock Desert 8). (Ya otta be in that part of the country when folk are flocking out there for Burning Man.)
I bought my own tire machine and I keep tubes stocked up from E-bay.
I fix it right the first time.
Not everyone has that option, and I take offense at your tone. " Fix it right the first time". We have already been through the emergency fix scenario. I live on a dairy farm where the price of milk is at mid '70's levels, and the last milk check came with a list of suicide hot line numbers.
Quote from: Dave Shepard on February 15, 2018, 10:24:05 AM
Not everyone has that option, and I take offense at your tone. " Fix it right the first time". We have already been through the emergency fix scenario. I live on a dairy farm where the price of milk is at mid '70's levels, and the last milk check came with a list of suicide hot line numbers.
I don't mean to offend upset or annoy anyone. I just got some of slimmed
tires on my tire machine. What a mess to clean up. All over the machine
and floor. Again this is just the way I feel. Everyone has there own opinion.
I got many garden tractors that the wheels was ruined by slime and calcium.
I doubt if you would find anyone working at a tire shop that would ever
touch a can of that stuff.
They don't have to. It's the people 120 miles from town, the people who have to feed cows on a Sunday afternoon, or any number of other circumstances where it's the only option. Your tire machine and pile of tubes will do you little good if your are on the road.
No doubt it is the easiest option, but sure not the only option. I have broken down and fixed many tires with basic hand tools, when I had no choice, but I did have air. years ago I carried a tool that screwed in to a spark plug hole that provided air, haven't seen one for years now.
Try running the Dalton, it is only 500 miles between tire repairs.
I guess the new stuff don't have spare tires.
I'll step away from this post.
Back in the 70's I drove up to Alomagordo lake, north of ft Sumpter NM. it was several miles of rocky dirt road to get to it, and iirc 16 miles or so back to town. I intended to fish, but when I got parked and got out, I could air coming out of one of my front tires.
By the time I got the spare on one of the back tires was too low to drive on. I had my spark plug hose, but it was not long enough to reach the back, so had to take it off, air it up and put it back on. I probably didn't get 2 miles before it was getting too low again. I wound up swapping the spare off the front and the leaking tire, then just left the hose in the spark plug hols, so I could quickly air it up every mile or two.
We hijacked Peter's "A Day Cutting Wood" thread.....
popcorn_smiley
PC
Some get kinda worked up about getting off thread. I guess Peter don't.
Hey Peter,how much hemlock you been cutting? :D
I'm getting hijacked !!!!!!!! :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
And I don't care. :D :D :D :D ;D
As long as we stay away from grits
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Right Cfarm. ;)
Two loads of W Pine today. But some was not too good. :D :D
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Some times I'm a dumping ground. I don't pay for the junk, If he wants it back he can have it. If not I cut it for dunnage, It goes out under lumber loades.
I was just gona ask about that busted log in the second picture. Will it even make cants for dunnage?
PC
Quote from: paul case on February 15, 2018, 07:45:40 PM
I was just gona ask about that busted log in the second picture. Will it even make cants for dunnage?
PC
He's coming sat to get a check, I'm going to ASK why is that junk in my yard.
I did cull 7 other logs. ::)
I have considered charging a disposal fee for cull logs.
A mill I used to sell to would load it back on your truck before you leave.
PC
Our mill grades the first 5 loads we haul in off a sale, then a random one every 15 to 20 loads and adjusts scale accordingly, they pay by the ton, but it depends on the average log scale.
IF they see junk in the load before they stack it, they will pull a random scale and you will get paid for inferior scale for the next 15 to 20 loads, so sending in junk can be costly.
They do not care and actually prefer you to send in junk, they degrade the scale enough and just cut the junk for firewood which is worth as much as logs to them anyway.
In my way of thinking they cut their best logs for firewood, any thing over 25 inches gets buck up for firewood till it gets down to fit on the mill. They do not dock us for oversize, but I want to cry sometimes when we haul them some big logs.
I'd been thinking about a bigger chipper for the junk, Easier to get rid of that way.
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I sell them.
WE were interrupted 4 or 5 times yesterday while edging. That made me think I should start a few policies that some of youall have posted on the forum.
$1 each piece from this pile, leave stack tidy and put money in this box.
$5 charge to unload your truck, or was it $20?
business hours from 3 to 5.
I dont think any of these would help as people show up whenever and would not or could not safely unload their own logs and they want to interact with the person in charge.
We had 3 people bring logs that I had to unload, 1 guy came wanting 7 boards and I sent him home with 10 for the price of 7 ;D and 1 guy came and got 2 bundles of slabs at 6pm.
I dont mind that much. We only edged out 2800 bdft of 1x yesterday. Pretty good day of edging for us. Only had 1 board that stuck in the that we had to stop for.
PC
New guy,
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Teach him well.I can't believe some of the junk you get. ::) My Father would of kicked me in the if I would of even thought about putting that is a load of logs.
I don't mind the good, bad and ugly. But some are too ugly. :D :D
By the looks of it, you be stocking up for mud season eh?
I hope so 4x4, Going to be 60°F here next week. ::)
I bet the first week of March the road bans will go up.
I'm going to pass on your wood.
About 15 minutes from me,Jay Maine,the roads are posted.
Around here you absolutely no trucks with mounted loaders.
Quote from: thecfarm on February 16, 2018, 08:44:31 PM
About 15 minutes from me,Jay Maine,the roads are posted.
What, :o
I hope we have at least 2 more weeks.
Quote from: Southside logger on February 16, 2018, 11:11:39 PM
Around here you absolutely no trucks with mounted loaders.
That's all we have here, mostly.
There is a mix of both out here...the big mechanized guys pretty much only run tractor and trailers without loaders and a few have tractors with loader trailers and then theres a lot of guys running truck/pups and then theres the triaxle guys with loaders on them then a couple dump truck log hauling guys
Had a last minute order come in wed afternoon needs it monday morning...welp we worked all weekend and got it done today:
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Boy am I happy we met the deadline
Good to hear - lot of work there for sure. How many BF?
Well, I just finished reading this whole thread. I'd visited on occasion but never from the start. Pretty interesting reading, neat storage buildings and neat toys there Peter. We're chasing a different market and I will never have the operation you do nor do I have inclination to work as hard :D but is is good reading.
A few weeks back there were comments about off-road fuel. Since I run gas I am unable to find off road fuel but I do keep my receipts and a detailed record of the fuel I buy for off-road use and turn it in to my accountant at tax time and they fill out the appropriate form to the IRS to get my road taxes back. This would apply to any sawyer or logger buying fuel for your chainsaws, mills, and other related equipment. Farmers, commercial fisherman, et. al. who buy taxed fuel for off-road purposes can apply for their road tax refund if they just keep the proper records and documentation and file for it.
Nice work 4x4, on time and those stacks look picture perfect.
thumbs-up
4x4, Good job. Beautiful view. Too much snow.
Nice 4x4 8)
Quote from: Southside logger on February 18, 2018, 10:17:48 PM
Good to hear - lot of work there for sure. How many BF?
10 mbf was the cutstock..alot of thin material in there (5/8") and that means alot of footage loss due to kerf. I lost count of how many packs of cants we went through but had to buy a tt load from a neighboring sawmill to have enough. We used cants I had already cut that was banded and ready to load. I think we broke down at least 8 of my own packs (all are over 1mbf in a pack) and then we used iirc 4 of the other guys packs. The left over ones I bought in I'll just load on the truck and send to my guy
Last load before mud.
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$$$$ are getting thin this time of the year with buying all the logs, Putting a new starter in the Cat $300. $1600 for the pick up, Just sent the one ton in for a sticker. ::) :D :D
Sorry if this isn't the right place to ask, but what is mbf? A million board feet is a lot of lumber 😜
Quote from: NorcalMatt on February 22, 2018, 10:10:32 PM
Sorry if this isn't the right place to ask, but what is mbf? A million board feet is a lot of lumber 😜
The m in this case stands for 1,000.
Quantities of lumber are tallied using the Roman numeral M for one thousand thus one Mbf is one thousand bf. There is no Roman numeral for a Million so a Million board feet is usually shown as 1MMbf. Notice that the M is properly capitalized.
Quote from: Magicman on February 22, 2018, 10:25:45 PM
Notice that the M is properly capitalized.
I just noticed that MM.
I saw that 2MM.
PC
I have been trying to lead you guys but sometime you just don't listen and pay proper attention. :-X
Thanks
Quote from: NorcalMatt on February 23, 2018, 12:28:45 AMThanks
Welcome to the Forum NorcalMatt - we have a good time on here with each other, don't be afraid to ask questions. What abouts are ya?
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Had to get a new pump, old one leaks.
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The best thing with the cat, is the reach, So handy.
Show off. ;D
I was paying attention, mm :D.
Thanks a MM, MM.
smiley_thumbsup Caught my eye real quick MM.
Pretty smooth character. 8)
I like that pump Peter.
It reminds me of the tank with a hand pump we had when we custom baled hay. The thing got a lot of use as we would go through 200 or more gallons a week. It caused us to have a universal sign for Do you need gas?
PC
Quote from: starmac on February 15, 2018, 11:31:49 AM
No doubt it is the easiest option, but sure not the only option. I have broken down and fixed many tires with basic hand tools, when I had no choice, but I did have air. years ago I carried a tool that screwed in to a spark plug hole that provided air, haven't seen one for years now.
Try running the Dalton, it is only 500 miles between tire repairs.
I remember those spark plug air tools. Only thing was, it was pumping some gas in there too.
The reach of a Lull is awesome around a mill. My first choice for a sawmill machine.
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Quote from: starmac on February 15, 2018, 11:31:49 AM
No doubt it is the easiest option, but sure not the only option. I have broken down and fixed many tires with basic hand tools, when I had no choice, but I did have air. years ago I carried a tool that screwed in to a spark plug hole that provided air, haven't seen one for years now.
Try running the Dalton, it is only 500 miles between tire repairs.
I remember those spark plug air tools. Only thing was, it was pumping some gas in there too.
Yea, but nothing like airing them up with propane.
Quote from: starmac on February 23, 2018, 02:27:37 PMYea, but nothing like airing them up with propane
Is there a story - with photos!!! - to go along with that statement?
No story, but it is common practice. When I ran my shop I literally hated it if a farmer brought one in and didn't tell me, the smell makes me sick, so I would let the air out of them outside.
Now I did have to go out and mount some new tires on a new trailer house. Someone had told the man in charge at the manufacturer that propane would run cooler, and those cheesy trailer house tires would last longer, well when the first one blew, it ignited and before they got stopped, 3 out of the 4 on that side had blown and blew the floor out of the trailer the length of the wheels about 2 foot wide.
Quote from: starmac on February 23, 2018, 02:27:37 PM
Yea, but nothing like airing them up with propane.
Ether works very well too.
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Quote from: starmac on February 23, 2018, 02:27:37 PM
Yea, but nothing like airing them up with propane.
Ether works very well too. just make sure you dont over do it. the result is a CO2 filled tire
I have used either to seat the bead thousands of times, but don't know how you could inflate a tire with it. I did use quite a bit in a big tractor tire one time, and when it exploded it aired the tire all the way up, for just a second, as soon as the air cooled off it went almost flat again.
Ya Dave the reach to pile logs is nice too.
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You have mud, :D :D Good job 4x4 ;)
Well the day the white truck was in iirc wednesday, we were in t shirts it was like 60 degrees and soupy. The red truck was on monday and the ground was a little slippery up top but solid. The black truck was today (friday) and the ground is hard again but now its rain/snowing
Good job - quite a weeks work for sure.
The Cat is hard on pallets.
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Or maybe it's how I run it. :D :D
DUG,
That is producing a WHACK of lumber, even if you are a whelp ;D.
Yep, I think 4x4 getting an LT70 was probably a good idea. 8)
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Quote from: starmac on February 23, 2018, 02:27:37 PM
Yea, but nothing like airing them up with propane.
That makes me think of an explosion I saw in my mirror one time on 30 between Fort Worth, and Dallas. :o
Jumped a blade and cut the b57,
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My yard is drying up 8)
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But, we have 12"+ of snow coming. ::)
Is it dry over there Bruno? I bet 4x4 is in mud with the snow from the other day.
I just ordered 4 57's Yesterday. I chopped a belt pretty good Monday morning when my blade jumped backwards. Made a little adjustment but can still saw unreal the new belts gets here.
it is soupy clay based mud here from the snow melting its terrible
Peter
My yard is the muddiest it's ever been.
Lived here 13 years >:(
Got 2 loads of material to try and dry it up worked some :D
I have never had this much truck travel though some times 4 loads a day and me going in and out delivering firewood and sawmill lumber.
Delivery some spalted birch to Meredith tomorrow morning.
I've been blessed this winter with lots to do 8)
4 Loads of firewood?
4x4 how much snow you got?
We got about a foot the other day of wet heavy snow, the kind that can break ribs when it's in snowball form lol
2 loads of saw logs and 2 of firewood
I have the most saw logs I have ever had
My yard starting to get full
And that a good thing
I gotta say this year I have been the muddiest since I spent the big bucks on my drive to the work area.
Put the rocks to it Peter. Mine are kinda big for what you,but you are still welcome to them. ;D The rocks will hold a JD forwarder with a load. Not a problem.
Quote from: 4x4American on March 06, 2018, 08:11:37 PMthe kind that can break ribs when it's in snowball form
Doug - It's not fair to put rocks in the snowballs. :D
Forgive me if I've asked before but I keep coming back to this question and you (Peter) may be able to answer it well. I currently use a small wheel loader around the mill but it is beginning to show it's life span and I need to think about replacing it. I want to be able to quick attach between bucket, log grapple, lumber forks, bale forks/grapple, and perhaps some other uses yet. My question is this.
How well do you see an zoom-boom handling a log grapple? I'm thinking either dangle style or fixed. As in
Many crane accessories available | FARMA (http://www.forsmw.com/grapple/grapple-024)
or
Log lifter LL 1000 (http://www.forsmw.com/log-lifter/log-lifter-ll-1000?group=prod_prod_grp-s1%2F121)
Samples are from sponsor Farma.
Any feedback on what pros and cons you see? Of course everyone else is welcome to chime in. Just pickin on Peter cause he loves his Cat.
The cat has a quick hitch for the forks or the bucket, They make a one finger with forks to grab logs with, there's one on CL for $2000 in Maine now.
I have a J D with a bucket, forks, and grapple, It works well. But the cat has the reach,37' and will pick up 9000LB The reach is the thing I need.
The JD would pickup 2500LB and has a 3 point hitch, The cat don't.
The two have their job is the way I see it,
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maybe it's just me but when I'm all grown up I want to be just like Peter - you've sure got some nice equipment.
Now that can reach for the sky!!!
Quote from: jason.weir on March 06, 2018, 11:31:14 PM
maybe it's just me but when I'm all grown up I want to be just like Peter - you've sure got some nice equipment.
That JD looks nice in your pix, I see some forks on CL that would fit that.
How are things going up there cfarm?
Not a good start today, I put a board in the edger to come out 8" wide.
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Just enuff for it to grab the stud, worked well, all fixed now.
I have an easyout set that looks just like that one. I've only used it one time and just that one use made it worth the price.
Yes Darrel, Having tools for a job even for once in a while is nice.
I have been buying tools for a long time and don't sell any, I see some buy tools go into a business, go belly up and sell all the tools for .25 on a dollar.
Then a job comes along they know how to do but can't no tools. ::)
All is fine. Was thinking about pulling up to the stone wall and start hauling rocks. When I had my land logged one part of the road got soft. I have just the thing to stiffen that problem up. ;D But with this foot or two of snow,that will bury the wall for a while.
Ya cfarm, most of my snow was gone, My plow truck is in the shop. so I got the cat out for the snow.
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It can snow all it wants. :D
Ann's new car, Took a while to find the right color chevy.
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I rented one of those little chevy cars one time, absolutely loved it.
I've had customer's pick up 12 foot lumber in those before. :D
Fun little cars to drive, those little cars all decked out with their bow tie! :)
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Well Peter, the day after you broke your edger I broke myn...Piece of wood wedged itself into the sprocket that's conveniently located in spot where little chunks of wood can get to. Usually it just pops the chain off, we put it back on and we're good. This time it was a piece of that compacted grain maple that plugs up your splitter and it plugged her up good. The hydraulic line on the flow valve started leaking like a siv at the swivel joint. Still have to figure out why it didn't go to relief. Anyways, it got so wedged in there that it bent the hydraulic motor mount. We had to reverse the lines on the motor to back it out. Then when I bent the motor mount back it broke to weld and I had to break out the welder and weld it back. I was soaking wet from all the snow and wasn't thinking, when I put the rod into the stinger I got stung lol So that was fun. I gotta get this thing under cover cause she don't like to work when its wet. Does your edger have spots where wood plugs it up frequently? On my edger there are 3 spots where wood always gets wedged and we have to shut down and unclog it. I'm just wondering if other edgers do that too?
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I have one spot where a small knot falling out of the edge off part sometimes gets in next to the feed roller and the housing,
Just turn off the thing and pick the knot out good to go.
I think I figure out how to put a hydro pump on mine to run a conveyor and table flip.
I bet you could put a pump on a swing arm and use it like an idler pulley against the main drive belts.
Quote from: Peter Drouin on March 11, 2018, 12:53:27 PM
I have one spot where a small knot falling out of the edge off part sometimes gets in next to the feed roller and the housing,
Just turn off the thing and pick the knot out good to go.
I think I figure out how to put a hydro pump on mine to run a conveyor and table flip.
Peter why not just use air for the dump table. I have all the parts to make a dump table right now. I'm pretty sure I have it figured out. I just don't have the room to put it in and didn't get a edger yet
Going to put a pully on the mandrel. The same one like that's on there now, the pully/ shive? will slide on the shaft and go where I want it. Going to get a pump like the one on my Morebark chipper. Going to get a drive motor like the one on the chipper feed rollers. To run the belt, I'll have to make a hydro tank to fit in the big opening in the body of the edger, the side where the drive belt is.
I'm going to use the outfeed rollers I have on the edger to make a pan/ table with rollers into it, I'm thinking I will use the outfeed frame to put the hinges on and hydro arm to lift the pan to dump on the conveyor.
I thought just arms in between the rollers. But I think small pieces of wood will get caught or fall on the floor. I want all of the pieces it to come back to me.
I have been looking at an outfit called Beltseruice conveyor & belting.
I want all of the stuff to fit in the edger box,
The goal is to have a self-contained edger with a return for the lumber and junk.
When I get all the stuff together I'll start to fab.
If anyone thinks of something please tell me
The hard part like I told 4x4 on the phone, is to stop cutting wood and set your self up to be more efficient.
You might be going things the hard way, but, your making lumber and money coming in. You hate to stop and reset your stuff.
But in the long run, you will drop the BF price of cutting lumber.
Dave, I'm going to give that idea some thought.
I'm cutting some lumber this week for my 40' addition, A crew will come in next week and get the roof on.
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@ Peter The hard part of stopping to rearrange is Id make my efficiency worse three or four times before I lucked into a configuration thats an improvement
Quote from: Peter Drouin on March 11, 2018, 06:07:52 PM
The hard part like I told 4x4 on the phone, is to stop cutting wood and set your self up to be more efficient
I agree totally. That's why my signature is "Take steps to save steps." :D It takes effort to stop and try to streamline. It's not easy.
I was talking about edger dump tables to a fellow who had seen one rigged on a hinged plywood table top for his edger outfeed. He had a rope tied from the rising side of the dump table to a couple pulleys back to the front of the edger. When he wanted to dump the edgings and boards in the return conveyor, he just pulled on the rope and the side of the table came up and the stuff slid off.
I like to break up my days cutting wood with a little wind therapy, or what i tell my wife, I need to blow this sawdust off me! :D
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I have to wait for a northeaster to go by. :D
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Quote from: Peter Drouin on March 12, 2018, 12:06:10 PM
I have to wait for a northeaster to go by. :D
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That one will danG sure blow some sawdust off ya! 8) thumbs-up I like that solo seat! And that fat front tire!
Quote from: Lawg Dawg on March 12, 2018, 10:23:20 AM
I like to break up my days cutting wood with a little wind therapy, or what i tell my wife, I need to blow this sawdust off me! :D
Not going to work with the dust protector on the front...
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Quote from: Lawg Dawg on March 12, 2018, 10:23:20 AM
I like to break up my days cutting wood with a little wind therapy, or what i tell my wife, I need to blow this sawdust off me! :D
Not going to work with the dust protector on the front...
Ohhh, it WORKS GREAT! You just have to go faster! :D
Quote from: brianJ on March 11, 2018, 06:27:33 PM
@ Peter The hard part of stopping to rearrange is Id make my efficiency worse three or four times before I lucked into a configuration thats an improvement
I'm learning quickly that this requires both study AND experience......right now I can't get out of my own way.
If you knew how many if my "ideas" were total failures, you'd belly laugh. I figure its like most things, try it, change it, try it again, and so on.
Oh, reading this Forum will help a lot. There are absolutely top notch folks on this Forum that don't mind helping others. Certainly I've sucked up as much information as I could and adapted what I can. Kudos to them all, and keep on keeping on.
The other thing YellowHammer, Is we all have a different market. Like what you do would be hard to sell up here. Not much money up here for your market.
Some wood would sell but, I don't think I could make a living.
Everyone is spending money for high taxes, wood, oil, to stay warm, Winter clothes to stay warm. Fixing the trucks with all the salt eating them.
On and On. :D
So your setup would not be the same as mine. I think we all can get some ideas from each other.
Like you and others only cut 8' logs with a few width sizes. I start with 70 sizes 8' to 16' and go up from there. :D ::) ::)
It's all good.
You make a good argument to move south! :D :D
Too hot. ;)
Good day with the northeaster going by to heat treat some blades.
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When I get all them set, I'll sharpen them.
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4 more boxes to go, and some new ones,
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4 new boxes of 7s always like to keep a bunch ahead.
4x4 the next time you stop by I have some 1½ 7s 55 you can have,
I ran them one time and did not like them.
What is it about the 1 1/2 X7'sX55 that you don't like?
Nice to see a shop that looks used. :D
Quote from: Peter Drouin on March 13, 2018, 01:13:21 PM
Good day with the northeaster going by to heat treat some blades.
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then set.
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When I get all them set, I'll sharpen them.
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4 more boxes to go, and some new ones,
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4 new boxes of 7s always like to keep a bunch ahead.
4x4 the next time you stop by I have some 1½ 7s 55 you can have,
I ran them one time and did not like them.
I guess you have a blade heat treater machine? Also see that Harley hiding out in there ;D
I'd like to go through your shed. Some things caught my eye. ;D
I do have a sweet spot for a sportster. Also I found out that after looking a Peter's shop that I am not the only man that can not throw away his stuff . Every time I clean out my shop it comes back to bight me .
Quote from: starmac on March 13, 2018, 01:30:50 PM
What is it about the 1 1/2 X7'sX55 that you don't like?
They will catch bark, wood, all kinds of junk. I was always cleaning stuff out. With the 1¼ blades, the junk would come out.
I don't know why Wood Mizer did not make wider wheels for the bigger horse mills I know the 70 has bigger diameter wheels, but, I think there no wider than a lt15.
[4x4 how wide are your wheels]
No machine Lawg Dawg, Just a set of torches.
And yes, I don't throw anything away. slider
The shop is used Leeb .
What you need goat man ?
Goatman wants the sportster.
He's made enuff $$$ to buy a new mill, He can get his own bike. :D :D :D
Quote from: Peter Drouin on March 13, 2018, 10:14:30 PM
He's made enuff $$$ to buy a new mill, He can get his own bike. :D :D :D
:D :D :D :D :D
How do you do the heat treating? I see the torch and arm, but how long do you let each tooth get hot? Do you let them air cool or bath them after? How much of a difference does it make?
Thanks
With a small flame, I let the heat turn the tooth black, orange. I point the flame to the middle of the tooth, watch the heat go down the tooth. You want to go only half way down on the tooth. If you go down to the body of the blade the tooth will, snap off with the setter. :D
I use the Wood Mizer sharpener to index the blade with the oil off and the cbn wheel held up so it doesn't hit the blade. With the cbn, not spinning, It doesn't hit the same spot on the wheel and damage it.
With the speed adjust on the sharpener you can get good with the timing on the heat. It takes less than 3 min to treat the blade. Let air cool too.
I do it after I have ground off the hard part of the tooth, When you look at a new blade you can see the black. I save all the blade and fool with them in the winter when it's slow, or when a North Easter is going by. :D
What I dose for me is make the blade stay sharp longer, Just like when new.
Coming along, 8)
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Sheds-R-Us
Hey Peter:
Is that going to fit all the (300+?) folks coming to Forestry Forum East shindig in May? :D :D BTW, where is all your snow? We still have 18" up North of you. Only cutting I'm doing is my fingernails, waiting on some meltage....All the best, Rob.
Well, whoever shows up I'll have a roof over them, It might be raining that day.
I think we have 30 or so might come.
Just think of all the lumber I can put in there. :D
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8) 8)
Looking good 8)
Where do you buy your lumber?
Every time I see that green roof shed it has leaned another foot. :D
Quote from: POSTON WIDEHEAD on March 22, 2018, 06:17:14 PMEvery time I see that green roof shed it has leaned another foot. :D
It is a snow load problem ;D.
You must have goat hair in your eyes.
Had some pretty trucks come in this week
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The yard can fill up fast. :D :D
Anyone else here have pix of trucks full of logs?
If so, let's see your full-time operation.
I see two good looking trucks and one that at least I can say is red.
Quote from: LeeB on March 24, 2018, 07:54:14 AM
I see two good looking trucks and one that at least I can say is red.
How do ya like this one? My friend was nice enough to lend it to me to unload the grey star car.
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My friend told me he has 3 load like what he sent in on the pretty trucks sitting on the landing with my name on em. His old man who runs loader asks me how much wood do you wanna buy from us?? I said I wanna buy all of it but I can't afford that much!!
Something doesn't look right.
That frame supposed to look like linguine? :D
It's bent back like that so that if it does a wheelie it wont go too high up in the air
Here's a typical day cutting wood for me
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Get some logs in to saw...nails and all :D
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Just got back from lunch
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Load going out...I always say, for the full time sawyer, its always good to have lumber going out on a Friday...if you get good enough at it, its almost like having a regular paycheck! ;D
Nice equipment you have, And yes, lumber going out is always a good thing.
Do you do the logging too or just the trucking?
I bet that WIDE makes it easier to cut big ones. :D
Quote from: Peter Drouin on March 25, 2018, 08:15:56 AM
Nice equipment you have, And yes, lumber going out is always a good thing.
Do you do the logging too or just the trucking?
I bet that WIDE makes it easier to cut big ones. :D
I log my own logs...sometimes I buy some from this guy , but have to check for hardware. Yeah coming from running an LT-15 for 7 years, that WIDEHEAD definitely makes it easier!...not to mention HYDRAULICS (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/26820/0319181534.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1522108568)
I'm pretty new here, but Lawg, I've been coveting your barn the whole time!
Referring to post # 2595---4 By, that power line right over your log pile gives me the willies. I know that closer one is not high voltage, but it can hurt!!! And ever what is on top of that pole that we can't see is probably worser. Be careful, please.
What's the market you go for Lawg Dawg?
Ahhh rubbin's racin!!!
I appreciate the concern. We've dang near hit it once a bunch of times. We've also had a handful of near misses...as George Carlin put it, a near miss is a hit.."gee, I nearly missed it"
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I'm pretty new here, but Lawg, I've been coveting your barn the whole time!
Thanks, I really have enjoyed it! It's pretty much my second home. The barn is a sales tool for me...when the folks buying lumber walk inside, I can show them the different types of wood I cut, and how it looks once it's dried out good.
Quote from: Peter Drouin on March 26, 2018, 08:57:26 PM
What's the market you go for Lawg Dawg?
I mostly sale construction lumber for barns, sheds, cabins, cow lot, fence boards, hardwood trailer decking, you know, utility type lumber, nothing too fussy. I occasionally sale higher grade lumber to woodworkers, but have figured out that they can be pretty particular about there wood...
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danG...almost 6:30, time to go make hay..supposed to be a beautiful South Carolina day :)
Very nice Lawg Dawg, 8)
Law Dawg,is that self loader yours.IF so i gather that you do some storm clean up.
Quote from: slider on March 27, 2018, 07:48:49 AM
Law Dawg,is that self loader yours.IF so i gather that you do some storm clean up.
Not my loader, but yes, the guy that owns it does storm work....think he's headed to St.Louis Missouri next week
Clean! :)
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Be ready for tin after tomorrow. 8)
Logs coming out of the snow, 45°f today.
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Got my pump, tank, and stuff for the edger. 8)
Got to get the conveyor.
Don't know when I can get to my Cherry slabs to sell as benches, 2x16x12'. Have a bunch.
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All in a day cutting wood.
That's going to be nice, I bet you are ready to get in it.
Thanks, Yellow Hammer, It's not as fancy as your set up but, It will keep the rain and sun off the lumber. I'll be able to get ahead on inventory too.
What happens is a customer will buy say, all the 1x12x16. The next customer want's the same thing and I don't have it. This way I can have 2x [pallets full]of the sizes that sell fast.
The phone is ringing well now with the warm weather.
Now I have to cut cut cut cut cut. :D
Having a little inventory is a great way to make bonus money by having something ready to sell when a customer walks in. It also reduces possible waffling by the customer as the conversation goes from "I could have it ready for you next week" to "Lets load it up right now, you got the money?" ;D
I know I can't cut the volume you guys can
But what I have learned from all of you guys is helping me build quite a good little milling business :)
Things are going well for me I have calls and customers stopping every day.
A man can do it with a small mill but you have to find your place.
Thanks for all your help 8)
Bruno
X2
PC
That shed looks good, need to add on myself. I like the "strongbacks" the rafters are sitting on...good job!
Bruno keeping it small ain't the worst thing. I remember when this sawmilling thing used to be fun lol
It still kinda is but there's alot of stress to go with it.
It looks like you have a good setup doing the firewood and sawing. Maybe a little solar kiln would fit in nicely over there!!
Peter
How much inventory do you generally try to keep in stock?
All I can, :D Not sure on the BF, Maybe 30,000 I have to get ahead on the 1x12s
Can't keep them in stock, sell to fast, But that's a good thing. ;D
Tin will be here next Wednesday.
Got to get some W Oak 2x10x12s out today and with the rain that will work out well. Had a customer want ½x4x10 maybe I can get that too.
And then there is always blades to sharpen. :D :D :D :D
Getting itchy.
My logs are still buried in snow as is the mill yard.
Melted a little yesterday but is now 35 degrees and snowing here.
As regards inventory I usually try to keep about 6-7 mbf in stock, 1x10 and 1x12.
But as seems to be a complaint on here pretty often the narrower side lumber seems to pile up.
I have 1x4,6,and 8 some of which has been here for 3-4 years.
I have a lot of 4", 6" too. I just mark them down a little and they move.
Just be sure to mark up the wider stuff to make up for the lost on the small stuff. ;D
Peter I am going up a nickel on 10" and wider.
First increase in 4 years.
Just curious what you guys feel is a good profit margin? What are you paying for a triaxle load of hemlock and what have you been getting a board foot for it?
I've been charging $650 a thousand for 1" boards.
If your costs are one dollar, I would charge two.
Last prices I was quoted for rough SPF (includes hemlock) in this country was $750 to $800 MBF.
As for a fair margin, cost of goods sold X 2. Make sure you have ALL costs included.
Right now that would put good spruce for me at about $500 to $550/MBF.
I am selling at $650 to 700 which is just a bit under the local market right now.
The cost of my current spruce and pine inventory was the cost of pulling wind downed logs off local acreages which was not real costly for the quality of timber I got.
Nice to have logs nearby Bandmill Bandit.
I did an odd cut today, I paving company needed ramps of R, oak.
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4'Long, worked ok. :D :D
I cut a few like that to use for wheel chair ramps. Use 2 or 3 side by side to make a solid 3 ft wide ramp.Some 6 or 8 ft long, depending on the amount of rise..
That would make a ramp for anything pineywoods, Don't get any stronger than that. 8)
Quote from: Peter Drouin on April 05, 2018, 06:36:25 AM
That would make a ramp for anything pineywoods, Don't get any stronger than that. 8)
Yeah, plenty strong, but the real advantage is weight. Just set them in place, no need for fastening. An unstable wheel chair ramp is a disaster waiting to happen..
Snow, ::)
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Got it cleaned off and went well.
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A little to do on the end and board it up. 8) 8)
Looks good
By Godfrey the metal is even parallel to the rake,how do you do that? ;D
Quote from: 47sawdust on April 09, 2018, 06:26:46 AM
By Godfrey the metal is even parallel to the rake,how do you do that? ;D
Lucky :D :D ;)
Or just tilt the rake. :D :D
Sort of like the guy with about 6" of excess length on his belt. Lady came by and complimenting him for losing weight then walked on her way. Guy's buddy said "I did not know you had lost weight." Man replied "I didn't, I just got a bigger belt."
47, probably 3-4-5 before the first sheet went on. That and making sure the diagonals were equal.
Just pull a line from one end to the other, Line up the bottom of the tin with it.
This is my third mud season ::)
Be nice when I dry up.
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And a new sharpener.
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But not all is good, My well is filling up with sediment from over the years.
so I have a 12,000.00 fix. ::)
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Bummer on the well >:(
I have had enough mud seasons for the year.
I forgot
Nice pointer
I will try to stop in this week to talk about the Northern Project
I have some bands being sharpened and a new band to try out.
I'm going to cut some old mill beams for a customer.
Yes,too bad on the well. I had one put in about 18 years ago,140 feet down,less then $5000. Bet it would be more now. :o
You think you got a mud problem, let me take a pic of my yard holy cow is it bad!
I wish my yard was as dry as Peters.
It's getting there. It's supposed to be nice here most of next week. It should dry things up nicely. Hopefully I'll be able to get some logs in
Really? I heard rain then nice then rain then nice
I just checked the weather channel app.
It says no rain here till Friday.
And you know they are always right :D
Rained most of Sunday at my place and is raining this morning.
I hear they got snow in the north country of By and Nh
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You have Soup :D
I think 4x4 wins :o
Quote from: PAmizerman on May 01, 2018, 11:22:52 PM
I think 4x4 wins :o
I think that should be 'loses'
Alan
Quote from: alan gage on May 02, 2018, 09:55:05 AM
Quote from: PAmizerman on May 01, 2018, 11:22:52 PM
I think 4x4 wins :o
I think that should be 'loses'
Alan
I guess it depends on how much you like playing in the mud. I mean soup.
My yard finally dried up today. I got the skidder out and did some leveling.
I think I look forward to no more mud now like I looked forward to Christmas as a kid!!
Well heres the first day on the road this spring.
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Just over 2500BF in 8 hours including a 1 hour road trip and set up time and i wasnt really working that hard even though I feel like I been run over by a truck.
Mostly pine 6x6x14 and 4x4x14 wit hall the side lumber in 1X what ever and then 2 pieces of manitoba maple and a real nice birch log for furniture and lathe stock.
That's getting it done, good job
I took a video today now with some more time on the 70. Kinda pushing a blade that needed to be rolled but I had to get this soft maple done and loaded on the truck tomorrow (I guess now that's today lol) ... youtube kept me up to upload this thing I forgot how long it takes, took over an hour! I'm off to bed. Be easy lol
Wood-Mizer LT70 Super Cutting 5/4 WSM - YouTube (https://youtu.be/o-Jf6bV_T8A)
That's how to get the wood out, Good job 4x4.
smiley_beertoast
Holy sweet maker of sawdust.... 8)
Nice video!
That chain roller is slick!
I don't know how much you are paying him, but need to give your edger man a raise. :D
I got tired just watching. Good job. 8)
Boy that was somethin. Im impressed.
Those blackflies starting or just sawdust flyin?
The lil buggers are starting to grow wings here - fast.
Way faster than my 26 year old LT40! That a pretty nice setup you've got. 8)
Great milling footage.
Good setup, nice logs, wonderful mill, everything and everybody is doing their job.
You're wearing a heavy wool shirt and the "snow" is flying in the shed - made me feel right at home! :D
Thanks for taking the time and care to make the Youtube content and sharing it here.
You the Man!
That 4x4 gear is a worker :)
He's building that place right out of the clay.
Getting quite the operation.
Thanks fellers..no thats sawdust not flies.
I took a sawmill tour vidjayo a couple weeks ago too:
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You got bigger, like the green chain, your learnen.
I like it!
4x4 do you have to shovel your sawdust out by hand?
Quote from: PAmizerman on May 09, 2018, 08:14:09 PM
4x4 do you have to shovel your sawdust out by hand?
Yup, every day :o 3-5 yards per day..I place the bucket over the mill and shovel over the mill into it. It's better than pilates. Sometimes I stay late here like I am tonight and shovel by myself then load logs, or I get in 1/2hr early and shovel until backup comes and then we knock it out and get to sawing. I'll be doing something about that soon as I can. Theres so much stuff I need, like to get a roof over my edger so we can cut in peace.
Nice setup , lots of hard work there.
Thank you for sharing. Do you have a Baker rotisserie saw under the other shed? The way you were driving your LT 70, it looks like you have at least three hours worth of logs on hand. Your dog probably goes home tired after watching all day.
A lot of work running a sawmill full-time 4x4, and there's always something to do or get. I'm going to look at a 2013, 35k dies genset in the morning. ::)
Quote from: Peter Drouin on May 09, 2018, 09:53:14 PM
A lot of work running a sawmill full-time 4x4, and there's always something to do or get. I'm going to look at a 2013, 35k dies genset in the morning. ::)
You ain't just a kiddin! Good deal! I'm too far in it now but eventually I'll prolly make the switch over to electric and power with a genset. Be nice to have fewer PM's to do.
In NH with the electric so high $$$$. I will save a lot of $$ with the Genset.
some pics from a couple of good sawing days.
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A couple of real good days.
Nice setup, Nice big yard to move around. smiley_thumbsup
Nice logs you are sawing there too.
PC
Very nice, very straight logs. Ice cream logs.
The interesting part is that the cut list was
2 quarter by what ever the log would give for width for siding, with a couple 12 quarter by what ever quarter sawn no pith so it was a pretty easy cut list.
The 2/4 stuff has been laided out on 4X4s to "weather" so it will look like old barn wood by august. The 3 inch stuff is for the wrap around veranda floor that was 8 feet wide. Its all for a rustic timber frame replica "restoration". The only thing original is the old stone foundation but it will be a pretty spectacular house when done.
Based on its location I think it may have been an old stage route stopping house. The barn foundation is still in good shape and some of the oak beams from that have been salvaged. The barn and black smith lean-to rebuild is next summers rebuild project.
Was a 2 story 7 bed room with servants quarters in attic 1890s vintage build. This cutting session was the first. More larger size pine logs are coming when the road bans are off. Thats what the big timber will get cut out of.
Also need some large fir or hemlock for the main beams and joist which will be coming this summer as well.
I like the old houses, I have customers/ builders, come for timbers all the time.
This one is done! 10 hours of cutting All spruce. 60, 2"X6"X8' and 320, 1" X what ever X 8' wind slabs Average was about 8" to 10".
Put on Turbo 7* carbide when i set up the mill and its still on there and cutting very well. Id say cutting rate is 15 to 20% faster but will have to do a few jobs to get an accurate estimate for that. I did finish about 3 hours faster than I had thought. Excellent cut quality as well. I am impressed!
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Nice setup. Do you cut with carbide a lot?
Bandmill,
What do you call that type of wagon you are stacking on?I have two sets of wagon running gear that I use in a similar fashion ,much smaller though.I wouldn't be able to turn yours around here in Vermont.
I wonder if that trailer was used for round bales of hay.
You nailed it CFarm! It was and still is used to move round bales. He has 2 of them To haul his hay and straw home for just over 200 moma cows.
All the lumber I cut this trip out to his place is for rebuilding wind slab fences for his wintering corrals and paddocks. He has a few loads of logs ordered (3 I think) to cut more slabs and lumber for 3 new lean-too type cattle shelters in his calving paddocks as well as 2x6 and 2x8 to renew his corrals in general.
Ill be back out at his place as soon as the crop is in the bin this fall.
Quote from: paul case on May 17, 2018, 01:33:40 PM
Nice logs you are sawing there too.
PC
;) Your right on that one Paul, Never seen a log that straight. Look's like they should have been power poles. :D
Walnut slabs, cedar cookies, and now some red oak slabs...trying to stay away from the pine during these summer months :(
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I didn't own them walnut slabs even 24 hours 8)...on the hunt for more :D
Nice lumber Lawg Dawg,
Getting the addition done.
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Finish up some winter cut 16' Pine.
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Decent load from today...I heard that in the south they don't haul lumber like this :'(
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They don't haul it like that in the West either. We don't need stakes to hold lumber on the truck here.
Slow down 4x4 you're making me look bad :laugh: :D
Quote from: Darrel on June 28, 2018, 10:39:41 PM
They don't haul it like that in the West either. We don't need stakes to hold lumber on the truck here.
Smart aleck lol I was talking footage wise..the stakes are there for logs not for lumber
:D
Spent today sawing some 4x17x12 and 4x14x12 for a timber frame
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I used the old scrap piece over the clamp trick so I could flip the cant without boogering it up.
That's some big stuff. Pretty cool. You have power there?
I run a 100 foot extension cord from my dad's building you can see in the background.
I just bought 17 acres that is 9 miles from my current location. It's right along a busy state route. I have the choice of single or three phase there. I'm not gonna now how to react to all that room once I get moved there.
Quote from: PAmizerman on July 16, 2018, 08:35:20 PM
I run a 100 foot extension cord from my dad's building you can see in the background.
I just bought 17 acres that is 9 miles from my current location. It's right along a busy state route. I have the choice of single or three phase there. I'm not gonna now how to react to all that room once I get moved there.
That's awesome man great to hear. You might think it's alot of room, but just wait lol . I thought that the first driveway I put in was gonna be enough, but it wasn't even close to enough after a short while lol
Soon as you can put a sawdust blower in. SOOOO much better. Woodmaster sells one for a very reasonable price and it's very simple to install. My youtube channel has a video of it. Click on the youtube icon by my avatar and it'll bring you to my channel.
I'm out of room too. I like the no booger thing.
My clamp has fangs. ;D
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I already have a blower
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I like the fang idea. I might have to try that
Quote from: PAmizerman on July 16, 2018, 09:46:35 PM
I like the fang idea. I might have to try that
Blood Suckers! :D
@PAmizerman (http://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=37229) doesn't look like it's doin ya much good!!! lol
I'm like you 4x4. I need mo room. I'm not gonna set stuff up at my current location ( my dad's back yard). I'm gonna save my money for a couple more years and get things set up the way I want them at the new property. Believe you me I'm sick and tired of shoveling sawdust but at least I can see a light at the end of the tunnel now and finally found some ground that I can move to. In due time I'll get there. I don't want to get so far in debt that it scares me. I have the blower because the deal was too good to pass up.
Did you start out at you're current location or move there? Does being out along the road seem to help business?
The fang thing is good as long as you move the clamp away from the cant before you lower it. The fang will rip two ½" holes in it.
Had a little trouble with the mill not going down when I hit the down switch. [ in patten mode] I would have to push two times to get the head to move sometimes. I put new up and down switch in, and that helped some.
So the today I put a dampener in on the transducer from Wood Mizer.
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I talked with Wood Mizer and they think the wire might not be too good too, so a new one went in.
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I tried it and it seems to work. Will know tomorrow. I all so put a new piece of plastic on to help keep the sawdust from packing around the guide wheel.
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It will rub on the blade when I tighten it.
Rain here today that will help keep the dust down. 8)
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Even Rocky was happy. ;D
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Have you had the plastic on previously or is it a new idea? Seems like it may plug the lubemizer?
Hope the new parts fix the problem.
Lube is ok. I do it to stop the sawdust from plugging up the guide wheel.
Quote from: Peter Drouin on July 23, 2018, 06:52:47 AM
Lube is ok. I do it to stop the sawdust from plugging up the guide wheel.
That's a good idea right there! :) I've also tinkered around with various pieces of plastic and scotch brite pad to keep the guides clean. Looks like your piece of plastic is thicker than a piece of coffee can
A piece of a plastic bucket. I cut the whole thing up Will have 30 or 40 pieces.
A truck from Boston dropped off some 200-year-old timbers for me to cut into flooring.
This should be fun. ::)
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:D :D :D :D :D
Oh Lorty! Did you not order the "nailess" beams? :snowball:
That will be a job
And you even got a full load of fun!!
You plan on just using standard double hard bands?
Good thing that they came de-nailed :D.
My friend does alot of resawing old barn timbers and walnut and stuff and he's always hitting metal. He said he uses Morse M-34 bandsaw blades because they take cut through metal and keep cutting "the best". Worth a shot maybe idk
I have boxes of used blades that will be just the thing to use. ;)
The biggest thing is when they clean the old mill it was sandblasted clean.
Think there's sand in the wood? :D :D :D :D :D
Quote from: Peter Drouin on August 01, 2018, 09:58:59 PM
I have boxes of used blades that will be just the thing to use. ;)
The biggest thing is when they clean the old mill it was sandblasted clean.
Think there's sand in the wood? :D :D :D :D :D
They sandblasted the wood ???
Think they used walnut shells?
I'm not sure what they use, But I can feel the grit on them.
Man oh man what did you get yourself into!! lol
I do quite a bit of that kind of thing. You've got your hands full.
I like the challenge. ;D Every day is a new cut list.
I'm interested in how you will remove the largest spike/bolt in the photo. Will you remove it or as the posts above suggest, saw through them?
I've done a job like this for a church floor.
Just once I say.
There will be more nails hiding than you can find.
You will gain a few more gray hairs and your last nerve will be exposed. :D
Good luck Peter......you got this. 8)
I'm thinking four step process.
Step 1, unload and spread them out in the dirt, which may rub some of the sand out of them.
Step 2, hit em with a good metal detector to at least spot and remove the majority of the big metal.
Step 3, start sawing.
Step 4, stop sawing when you get tired of changing blades, hire somebody and have them repeat step 2. :D
:D :D It won't be that bad YellowHammer. :D :D
All by the hr and the pay is very very good.
I save older blades for a job just like this.
I have boxes and boxes of blades that are ½ or better worn.
I'm going to sharpen them and cut nails. :D
When I'm done I'll have boxes and boxes of new blades and a suitcase full of money.
;)
You are da man with a plan!
8)
I'll add step five:
Quote from: Peter Drouin on August 03, 2018, 06:36:12 AMEnd up with boxes and boxes of new blades and a suitcase full of money.
It doesn't get any better than that!
When I hit bunch of nails in a log a call them ''election post''. When an election campaign is in full swing there is a lot of energy and people are dreaming of changing the world and they nail signs everywhere; after the election it seems that a lot of people ( and promises ) had disappeared but the nails stay on the trees ;D
I wonder if road mowing crews have a name for salad shooting all the election signs. Confetti time.
I'll get some pix today of the ironwood cut up. :D
Things went well-cutting square logs.
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1 3/4 x6"
Have two guys pulling Iorn,
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They want to save all the wood, I squire the cants then cut the target size.
3/4 x 12 side boards.
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I have the guys use my Garrett.
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Works well for me.
Yellowhammer you forgot step 6 When the $@#%$# $700.+ H board dies. ::)
I had trouble when the head would not stop when the lever was in neutral.
Had a talk with Wood Mizer and did the test thing, JUNK. smiley_skull
So for $ 65.00 I can have it overnight. ::)
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The thing has over 5000 hrs on it and ten years. Wood Mizer don't make them anymore. They have the NEW version. So now I'm dead with the State bridge job and Boston job not getting cut.
You never ever keep all the money. :D :D :D :D :D :D :D arg-smiley
Dang, tough luck...but with 5000 hrs, you probably got your moneys worth out of it!
That's a bummer. I feel ya. I had to upgrade from setworks to accuset II because parts were no longer available.
But at least woodmizer has solutions for these problems and we're not completely dead in the water.
You're right though the money seems to go out much faster than it comes in.
Step 7, Bang head against the nearest wall while giving WM your credit card number. arg-smiley
WM did say the mill will be like a new one with the update.
Peter, are you cutting light skins off the cants when your squaring them up or are you milling a thicker board so you can capture the old patina face?
Yesterday was a pretty good day.
3280 BF of Aspen from some of the nicest aspen logs I have ever milled.
Mill was in the first log at 6:15AM and I shut it off at 2:30PM.
Everything was cut to 1/4 scale and was 2X6 minimum up to 2X12, so dimensions made the volume I did quite comfortable for my part of the job BUT not so much for the tailing crew.
Also used a fresh carbide 7* turbo blade for the entire job and that blade is still on the mill. Id say it is good for at least that much more and cutting speed is impressive. Had a couple of gnarly old black poplars that I expected some wavy cuts in BUT they cut just fine. Pics will come, but I have to extract them from video first.
They never break down when you're slow, only when you have urgent orders...at least it seems that way with me. Must be that's why I had such a hard time getting through to the electrical dept today at Indy, you was hoggin up the line!!! lol
Well, I had to use the pf to get up and running 4x4. :D :D :D
With the new POWER FEED CONTROL MODULE AK H-bridge
The new one doesn't need the old {BOB board} What WM called it. the guy who invented it I guess.
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The top green one is gone. My mill 2008 was the last year for the BOB board
With the new up date the mill is faster going for and aft. It has a thing where I can have variable speed in reverse with the speed knob.
I did try it, But, I had to turn the knob more often. I wanted the head to go back as fast it would go, Not at cutting speed. So I set it back to 100 mph.
Back and forth is faster now.
So fast I cot the drag back arm on the cant and bent the arms all to ##
I had some ideas on the thing for a while.
Nows the time.
I cut 2" out of the length of the arms. The way WM dad it I had to lift the head 1½" or so to clear the cant.
Now I'm 3/8" below the blade with the arm all the way down.
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Jump the blade ½" and pull back. You can see the grade #8 welded in. A mess but works well.
I also got all the beam cut for the Boston job.
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All this long leaf yellow Pine cut like butter. Some pitch buildup but not bad.
I have NO cotton up here and never heard of a cotton picker lube. :D
So I'm cutting southern stuff why not try some southern pitch fix.
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The stuff worked ok, I did cut dry most of the time.
The Iron was crazy :D :D :D :D :D
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Even with all the pulling, I destroyed 40 blades.
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All en all It was a good job.
Metal! That looks like my scrap bucket savings after 60 years of tinkering!
Wow thats a lot of wrecked blades and scrap metal
peter, regarding the drag back problem sometimes speed is not your friend.
I have bent stuff even at the old speeds.
My H bridge went about 6 or 7 yrs ago on my 2008 super.
The upper old style fuse was loose and melted into the lower one frying the h bridge.
WM sold me the h bridge for I think about 600 bucks and new style fuses.
I am convinced the the old fuse wasnt tightened properly in the mfg process.
My board return was set just right from the factory.
I think you just set a new record for the amount of junk metal generated from one saw job. I think I would have gone crazy and started throwing things. Kudos for sticking with it.
My board return was PREFECT from the factory, UNTILL I was not paying attention and caught the end of a cant. I would not want it any shorter as I run so that I get the lip of my modified dragback plate UNDER the board that is coming back so that it is CARRIED by the board return and not drug back. A LOT less stress on every thing BUT requires 100 % focus on the job at ALL times. A 1/4 inch too low and you catch the cant. A 1/4 inch too high and you miss the cut to pickup the board.
Quote from: YellowHammer on August 16, 2018, 01:53:34 PM
I think you just set a new record for the amount of junk metal generated from one saw job. I think I would have gone crazy and started throwing things. Kudos for sticking with it.
Was over 5000 BF of 1 3/4" x 6" flooring.
I did go crazy, :D Just keep going,
I'm so crazy that they just called and want to do another TT load.
SURRRE, I said.
I have more boxes of blades in the barn. ;D
That's what I say Peter with some of the off-the-wall jobs that I have sawn this year. Laugh all of the way to the bank.
Good job,Peter.
Today was an awesome day for sawing IN SPITE of my sore body.
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About 2/3 rds of the days cut
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Did 2 of these 6" X 9" X 28' beams from the last log of the day. Fiddly but it worked very well.
The Carbide blade on the mill now has just over 7000 BF and still cutting good.
Todays sizes were 6"x9"x20' and 4"X6"X20' which help the BF add up quicker.
Good job cutting lumber longer than the mill. Not everyone can do that.
You are a master sawyer. smiley_beertoast
Thank you Peter. I have to say thankyou to the people that have posted how too tips on here as well. Its fiddly work. Took 3 hours to get them both down to size. I took a pic of the log when I got it on the mill but accidentally deleted it and a couple of others when I went to up load.
Load two.
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Got to sharpen more blades. ;D
Nice Peter! A repeat, high-paying customer--that's what running a good business is all about. All the best, Rob.
I will be using all my old blades. Then will send in new ones. :D :D
When they loaded the truck they mix the beams up. I had to take one at a time off. I don't think they had an idea how to load a truck.
You would think they would keep all the lengths together. ::)
Today I have to finish 3 live edge orders. Have a boat place picking up a bunch of 3"x10"x16' hemlock for cribbing.
Now if the help shows up!!! :D
Just finished another great job for a repeat customer and friend.
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This job was for the Friend that taught me to saw with my Wood mizer. He ran the saw about half the 3.5 days of the job. We got just under 16000BF and used 3 7*Turbo blades and that was only because of hard ware in the first dozen yard logs.
2nd and 3rd blades did about 7000+BF each. Volume per hour is about 30% better per hour with the carbide blades.
How much of that job was timbers vs lumber? Just trying to get a feeling for the production you are making there.
Quote from: Bandmill Bandit on August 28, 2018, 12:22:13 PM
2nd and 3rd blades did about 7000+BF each. Volume per hour is about 30% better per hour with the carbide blades.
Wow :o That's some WOOD CUTTING BLADES!
I'm just thinking outloud...I saw 50,000 board feet per year(one man show, including cutting the trees down). If I run carbide tip blades and say I get 5000 bf per blade conservatively...I would only need 10 blades per year. Does WM resharp still charge $7 to sharpen a carbide band? :P
For this job about a 1/3rd was 4x6, 6x6 and 3x10. the rest was dimensional framing lumber in 2x4, 2x6 and some 2x8 all spruce. NO rough dimensions. about 25% 12' and the rest 16'.
Leo is 82 and had a 17 year old grandson tailing the mill for him. On Friday they cut 3800 BF, NOT including the aprox half cord of 1" windslabs. Leo said that is the first time in his entire experience (about 25 years and 3 mills) of sawing with a Woodmizer that he has been able to saw a whole day with the same blade he put on in the morning when he started the mill. He started the mill at 830AM and shut it off at 6PM for the day including 2 x 1/2 hour breaks. Id say that Is some good work for a man his age. I only improve that by about 20% ish.
You can see in the pictures that everything is setup to maximize productivity and minimize manual handling as far as possible right down to lumber straight onto a trailer off the end of the mill and waste into the fire wood rack to the operator side at a slight angle to the out feed table to be bucked and thrown on the stack a few feet away. 2 other grand kids, one 16 and the other 14, doing the firewood processing and they kept up real well.
Lawg Dawg;
I haven't sharpened any of the carbide bands yet BUT I am expecting 3 cycles minimum (based on the Woodmizer reps numbers) per band that should give a minimum of 15000 BF per blade. (possibly as much as 25000 BF per blade) That is about 250% better than current double hard and Bimetal gross production on an estimated 1/3 of the sharpening/setting time requirements.
I like the Numbers a LOT. I like the lumber that come off the mill even BETTER!
I am estimating a blade cost reduction of 50% all thing considered. The ONLY thing that would skew that number is "jewelry" in the logs.
My daughter has dubed it jewelry and is working with a friend of hers to actually turn the contents of collection bucket into "bling" to sell at the farmers market. We will see how that goes. Pictures will show up here when there are some!
FYI The saw dust coming out the exit chute flies about 25 to 30% further out from the mill when using the carbide blades with the deflector raised out of the way and there is a LOT less saw dust left in the cut.
What you have is a good setup. All the newbs should look at that setup and do the same thing. Setup on flat ground, logs on dunnage, Lumber going straight. No spinning the lumber around.
A very professional job. smiley_thumbsup
Good job Bandit.
Thank you Peter.
I humbly accept your accolades and I hope that others will benefit from my experience.
I have to check my note book BUT I believe that the 2 jobs posted above that I just completed add up to 22000 BF on 5 Carbide blades in 5 x 10 hr (aprox) days of sawing.
I'm going have to look at the carbide blades, Maybe get some boxes of them.
Thanks Bandmill, that is quite impressive for sure
I got to get bigger lights on the Cat, Can't see the end of forks in the dark.
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I'm getting a lot of orders for long stuff. Now I'm getting a pile of overrun 24'+
Think I need another shed with a 30' door. ::)
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It never ends. :D :D
Another load of flooring to Boston.
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That old long leaf Pine will pitch up a blade if you let it. :D :D
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5700 bf.
Need a little diesel in a squirt bottle for that pitch! :o Did you saw 5700 with those 3 blades? :P I live in the land of long leaf, grows good in these sandhills
Great work as you always do👍
You NH guys are moving some wood.
Peter, now you see why that we can not saw dry. Gotta have the Lubemizer running.
With the buildup on the blade, I will get that on older logs of W Pine. I just thought the old beams would do the same thing. Are you telling me a green longleaf pine log will do the same thing?
That truckload used 10 blades, Lawg Dawg.
Yes.
Absolutely, that or worse. I won't/can't tolerate any buildup so the Lubemizer often runs continuously while sawing. If I see that it is building up I run the Lubemizer continuously until it clears before entering the log. Not just Longleaf but often a Shortleaf or Loblolly will be sappy.
I have never seen the need to use Diesel.
What these guys said smiley_thumbsup
When my Lubemizer isn't Lubemizing good, that's what all my bands would look like. Then my band heats up and starts doing the Conga in the log.
I'm going to be getting into doing my own sharpening soon. Do you clean a you're blades before you sharpen? How do you clean them?
I don't sharpen but I would clean them the way I described, blade turning and the Lubemizer on continuous. I never remove a blade like Peter pictured because it's too easy to clean it before removing. Actually too easy to never let it get that way.
Quote from: Magicman on September 06, 2018, 01:57:51 PM
I don't sharpen but I would clean them the way I described, blade turning and the Lubemizer on continuous. I never remove a blade like Peter pictured because it's too easy to clean it before removing. Actually too easy to never let it get that way.
x2 run the blade with full lube until it is clean before you tension down and remove. Get it as clean as you can before you take it off. I run full lube and then when it is clean run it a minute or so to dry it off. I only use water per manufacturer's specifications. Except with very pitchy woods then I add pine-sol soap to the water jug 20 oz per 5 gallons.
Jim Rogers
Yep, don't take it off dirty, it adds a lot of extra work.
couple of squirts of diesel at speed cleans them here before removal
Quote from: petefrom bearswamp on September 06, 2018, 05:39:34 PM
couple of squirts of diesel at speed cleans them here before removal
Absolutely! And QUICK!
I have tried a few different mixes for blade lube and find that the methonal (windshield anti freeze concentrate) with the super bug eraser I use works the best in ALL the different wood I saw. When in the stickier timber I up the methanol and the soap.
The strongest so far has been 1 gallon of the methanol with 4 gallons of water and 2 quarts of the bug eraser. it does put a film on every thing but washes of very well as it is all water soluble. Sap and pitch don't like to stick to it.
If i order the methanol in advance i can even get it with out dye.
I thought everyone was using cotton picker chaise lube?
Diesel makes my bands float of my wheels
Dawg - you ever run any silicone on your bands? :D
Must be the wide Thomas works differant than the regular with Thomas. I've been using diesel for years. BUT only a drop every few seconds.
I did cut most of the load dry, Only had a few that had pitched so bad to use the southern lube thing. :D :D :D
That blade had hit a nail then two cuts without lube just to see what would happen. ;D
Also, the sawdust on that pine would get hard on the mill. Like it had a resin in it.
had one 24' 14"x14". When I cut it the inside was green, wet, But that can't be the thing was in the old mill for 150+ years.
The knots were hard as a rock.
I think they have more to cut too.
I like my W Pine up here better. ;D :D :D
I see a little white pine, yard trees, down here and yeah - it cuts easier and weighs a whole lot less when dry than yellow pine. Of course that stuff will have some giant knots in it too.
Quote from: Southside logger on September 07, 2018, 07:07:49 AM
I see a little white pine, yard trees, down here and yeah - it cuts easier and weighs a whole lot less when dry than yellow pine. Of course that stuff will have some giant knots in it too.
It was heavy. Like our red pine, hard pine, Is yellow pine rot resistant?
The solid (fat) heartwood is Peter. I have a fence post that I helped put down when I was ~12 years old that is still as solid today as it was then.
Fat Pine is what we use for kindling because it will burn like kerosene.
The fat lighter pine is very rot resistant, but also can be brittle. For the most part, not for ground contact use. But I have heard old timers talk about building a box at a spring head for water, and they would use fat lighter pine boards for that
I have two heart pine logs, around 30", 20' long each, all heart wood. The sap wood is long gone. Found them down by a creek that had not been logged in a very, very, long time just due to a number of circumstances. Over 150 countable rings in the heart wood. They were on the ground when I found them but the stump that they pulled over had a pile of bark around it that was 4" thick. Nobody at VT or VSU, State Forester etc can positively tell me if it was short or long leaf. I have had them for several years and gone back and forth on what to do with them but I think I am going to RRRQS them into flooring, the question is do I sell it or put it into our house?
The pitch balls that appear when it's hot smell just like turpentine.
The smell was off from W Pine. But, I thought it was because of the age of the timber.
Southside, shortleaf pine bark has pitch pockets. Longleaf pine bark does not.
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Thanks WDH - I will take closer look. I did keep some of the bark given it's impressive nature.
Having fun now.
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I put in a new H bridge a few weeks ago, The thing was fast but when you put the forward motor in neutral the brake would come on [ motor stopping the head], Instead of coasting to a stop.
At first, the thing would stop and throw me forward in the seat. Or back.
Then after a while, it would brake or coast.
Then last Wednesday it stops working. I called Wood Mizer and we went through all the test. Will send you a new one he said.
[ It was under warranty] 8)
The thing is just under $800.
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Wood Mizer was great to work with. The gentleman I work with was patient with me being an old crusty New Englander in the glacier north. ;D
Got it all going well now. They want the old one back, it's on its way.
I got me a conveyor for the board return for the edger.
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Going to weld some wings to the sides to catch the wood sliding off the edger.
Peter, the great lighthouses (Currituck Light, Bodie Island Light, Cape Hatteras and Cape Lookout) here in NC were built on a mat of cross hatch pine timbers 10"x10" or 12"x12", I don't recall the dimensions. The builder intended to put down a concrete foundation. When they dug down in the sand they decided that the sand was compact enough to to bear the weight. So the contractor laid down the yellow pine timbers, placed the granite blocks on top and then built the brick light houses.
The pine timbers were below the water table. They stayed underwater.
When the crew moved the Hatteras Light, the pine timbers were still there and were still very much solid. They were probably the heart of long leaf pines.
So in the right conditions yellow pine, especially heart pine (smells like turpentine) will last a log time in the right conditions.
It is nice wood, Very dense and strong, heavy too.
I was a wonderin how you're board return was coming. Can't wait to see when you get it set up.
I did a little sawn yesterday.
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You should bring that fancy edger on a road trip so I don't have to throw all those flitches back on the mill and edge them :D
Hemlock,
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Mix hard wood in this load.
I went to see a guy about some wood and at the end of his driveway, he had a sign.
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:D :D
This is the start of the cabin that I cut out a few weeks ago Including the 2 x 28' beams.<br
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These are sample/trial joints made with the Jig that is supplied by https://logdovetailjig.com/
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I will post more pics as the project progresses.
I am back at the site to cut more material for the project.
Interesting Bandit, :P I'll be watching with enthusiasm.
That way you get the outside and inside done at the same time. :D ;)
Are they 6"x12" and whatever long?
Had some nice Hemlock come in.
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20'
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See how white the wood is, Top end, A little small but straght.
The're White Spruce 6"X9"with 1" "chinking space so each tier is 10". The steel well casing skid frame is 13'6" X 24' (outside) and the cabin will be 13'X 18' with a 6' deck on the front.
The 76 year "young" guy doing the supervision is a retired timber frame/log builder from the maritimes. Hes about 5 foot 6 and can still work a couple of younger guys into the saw dust. Handles his chainsaws like a surgeon handles a scalpel! He has 5 different saws that he uses for different things.
Friday Sept 21, 2018 update
I cut 40 more 4"X6" X 12' and 16 more 6"X9"X20' today. The welder finished up the base skid. Bob sorted the 6x9 into length stacks and got set up to start the notch dove tail process for the wall logs on the week end. Walls should be up by next week end. Pictures will appear as available.
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Coming along.
If you can, get a pix of the green JD ;D
The workbench is faced with butternut and the router table with cherry. All cut on my LT15.
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Very nice.
A little red rot, ::)
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Junk W Pine. :D :D
More Hemlock and W Pine some Red Pine.
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Wood been going out like this for most of the year.
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200-1x12x10 W Pine.
Do you all think Red Pine would be good for 4x4x4' dunnage for a steel I beam?
Or loading a TT truck?
How about Popular. Any thoughts?
I would use hemlock before poplar for sure. Got any tamarack there?
You must get some pretty decent logs in to do that many 1x12's.
How do y'all load them trailers with the wheel wells sticking up?
I have popple dunnage at my mill..I don't see why it wouldn't work, dunnage is pretty much just whatever junk you have lying around, no? Or are you saying you have an order to fill for dunnage? Gonna have to have somewhere to go with the side lumber at least if you use hemlock you could prolly move the outside lumber
PAmizerman, We have big W Pine in NH, I sell a lot of 1"x12".
Now Hemlock in 2"x12" can be a challenge :D :D :D
4x4 I have a steel I beam guy wants 100 4x4x8. I have the Hemlock, just trying to open more markets for other trees. :D ;)
Did you get the circle mill yet?
I have what I have for a mill. If I was younger and had to do it over I would have a circle mill with a built-in edger. ;D
Idk, I give away hardwood dunnage to truck drivers alot. I try to keep pine and popple/basswood dunnage for around the mill because it's alot lighter. Can grab a 4x4x4 one in each hand with popple or pine easily
And no I flew out last weekend to wisconsin to look at a circle mill that was pretty cool but I didn't like some things about it so I passed. Still looking. Stopped in and visited with red oaks lumber who happened to live right down the rd
Peter on the dunage thing, I do flat deck work and there is 2 ways of looking at using dunnage from the truckers perspective.
1. Using Poplar which is a less dense wood you will get a lot of crushing of the dunnage, which means your straps keep getting loose, will be on them every 3 hrs for the first couple of times. I have had that with soft wood dunnage.
2. But the fact that it is soft and the steel bites into it It does not move side to side. I think could be a plus over the oak . You will see were the steel beams have slipped side to side in transport as they are so hard the steel does not bite in.
I have had guys tell me they prefer Poplar for a decking on a trailer if you are using a steel crawler equipment. The wood has give to it and the grouser bars have more grip on a less dense wood than oak.
Just my take on it. Bob
Thanks for the info rjwoelk. I think they're only going to use them one time to truck the steel.
I bet hemlock would work pisser for that.
Coming back from Brunos.
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I told Bruno his job was the last one on the road for me.
My blank canvas.
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Set it up and pull the wheels.
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A little push. :D
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I did not have a bunch of stationre legs, So I mix them up'
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I put a line from one end to the other to line up the mill.
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A little more and I'll be sawing Wensday.
The edger is over at my shop to weld in a hydro pump.
I pushed the mill 12' past the door. I should be able to get a long log in there'
The cat does crab, :D :D :D :D ;)
Nice Peter
The plan is coming together!!
Can't wait to see the kicker on the edger.
Are you putting the edger in opposite of the way it was? So all the lumber goes out the back door?
Heck Yeah, you like me. I like to be close to home...actually in the 8 years I've been sawing, I've never done a road job! 8)
Wouldn't it be cool if WM could put a horizontal edger on their mills that travels in front of the blade so we didn't have to do all this extra stuff to edge boards
4x4
Sharpen your debarker up and give er a little more fuel. It will zing right through there :D
The edger will take more work to set up. Yes, all the wood will go one way.
We are getting back to the cabin since we have some good weather again.
Here is what was done during the prep work as weather allowed the last few weeks.
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The jig we built and are using is from Log Dovetail Jig Homepage (https://www.logdovetailjig.com/) and it works very well. I think the pics are all pretty self explanatory. If you have a question just ask.
The staining was completed on Wednesday and today is set for stacking the walls IF it dont rain, and right now that is not looking so good. I will post pictures from the stacking when we are done that part.
Today turned out real well!
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Rafters, chinking, door and window jams next.
Looks good! What size did you saw your logs? Are they green?
A heck of a day! It's great to get that kind of progress!👍
May be a dumb question, but why are log structures not dead stacked? Is this to allow for less than perfect logs?
The logs are 6"X 9". The trees went down during a late summer storm in 16 so have been through 2 winters. They were sawed in August and dry stacked on a very windy hill. Testing for moisture says they are at 12% to 14%. The builder says that is about dry for this region. The joints are cut to allow one inch chinking/insulation space. That how the owner wanted them after talking to the people at the log dovetail jig website.
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Took out 1 row of logs and got the conner posts installed.
Progress!
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Purlins, insulation and roof metal are next.
Looking good!
Looks like it's going to be a race against the snow smiley_horserider :snowball:
It is certainly looking that way. Hopping to have the tin on by the weekend.
How did they do the mid span dovetail?
We rigged a second jig that followed the main jig to make bread cuts then cleaned them out and smoothed it all off with a slick work very well.
For that cery reason we gad a second set of top cants incase we screwed up the first ones. :D
Hi RJ. Yup sounds like we did pretty much the same thing. It worked very well. Was a bit fiddly but worked good. We have an extra log in case of screw ups but so far every thing has worked very well.
we did the same with our cabin.
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Here is a few pics of the Nordic Spa at the Kananskis Lodge that I posted the milling for in post #163. These pic swere taken by my son when he and his wife went out there for a day trip. I will get a few more pictures when i am out there myself after christmas.
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Very nice, Bandmill Bandit, Are you the sawer here that uses carbide blades??
Peter: Good to see you back.
Dale
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@PA_Walnut (http://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=36676) uses carbides and loves them. Says they cut better than anything he's used.
Welcome home, Peter
smiley_wavy smiley_wavy smiley_wavy
We need some pictures of the log trucks coming in
Quote from: YellowHammer on March 04, 2019, 09:44:06 PM@PA_Walnut uses carbides and loves them. Says they cut better than anything he's used.
Yes indeed! Just ordered another box of carbides. All others pale in comparison.
I have a box of carbides coming. I go though cbn wheels and blades fast cutting frozen hemlock. then all the sharpening.
Two towns over from me is a guy that sharpens saw blades. Carbides blades too. And I think he can retip it if I hit something
7s x 45 11/4 I wanted 7turbox 55. Woodmizer doesn't make that size.
So will see how rugged they are. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Bruno I think I have one coming today, Have to get logs in before the road bans go up.
Welcome home Peter smiley_wavy
Good to see you here Peter. smiley_wavy smiley_wavy smiley_wavy smiley_wavy
Quote from: Peter Drouin on March 05, 2019, 06:35:33 AM
Two towns over from me is a guy that sharpens saw blades. Carbides blades too. And I think he can retip it if I hit something
can you share his info....Im just south of you in Canterbury.
Yes, 33 Gaudet Dr Belmont 528 3794. I called him this morning, He can retip Skilsaw blades but not ban mill blades
I think He has two Wood Mizer CBN sharpeners.
He sharpens my chipper blades for me. I do my own ban blades with the Wood Mizer cbn I have.
Peter
That's who sharpens my bands.
They are good folks Jeff and his wife.
He does a great job on my bands.
Yes posting of the roads. Seem like the last few years.they are up by now. And this year there was no postings in January and Feburary. :o I think last year we had a very warm spell and they posted the roads early. But the bump and frost heaves signs are up. ;D
Quote from: Peter Drouin on March 05, 2019, 06:35:33 AMI have a box of carbides coming. I go though cbn wheels and blades fast cutting frozen hemlock. then all the sharpening. Two towns over from me is a guy that sharpens saw blades. Carbides blades too. And I think he can retip it if I hit something 7s x 45 11/4 I wanted 7turbox 55. Woodmizer doesn't make that size. So will see how rugged they are. Bruno I think I have one coming today, Have to get logs in before the road bans go up.
Peter, I wanted .055 carbides also (I'd use exclusively that, if I could get them). They start .055 when you get to 2" blades, which I guess is LT70 and above. Maybe we can call and fuss at them some more! :D
awesome, thanks. Ive almost got 5 that I can box up and bring over.
Ok Bruno here you go.
Had some Hemlock come in 8' to 26'.
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Then today, W Pine.
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This guy is my best contact to get wood I want. This is some nice pine.
But, It came from a mechanized outfit, See how they cut it from one side to the other side. then Push. :o
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All good wood. More coming,
Have my edger return thing working fine.
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Out table flips up, run by a hydro pump I fab into the edger. ;D
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I've been waiting to see you get it up and running. I've been waiting patiently :D
Maybe @Bruno of NH (http://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=26349) could get a video of it running next time he visits.
Maybe some day soon for me. But first I gotta get an edger ;D
Does it dump automatically or manually?
I was going to go for a visit today but my dog wouldn't get in the truck.
She see a bobcat by the pond and went nuts.
Quote from: PAmizerman on March 06, 2019, 07:33:57 PM
Does it dump automatically or manually?
No, I have to pull a lever. Like a wood splitter. But, it is fast just have to wait for the lumber to clear out the end.
Glad to see your post again Peter!
Looking forward to hear what you think of the Turbo 7s Carbide. I have been running the 1 1/4"Turbos 7s double hard and have had good luck. I was sent a box of 1 1/2" by accident, so I kept them I was not as happy with them. It could be me tho I only have 200 hrs on mill and still learning :P
Will
As a lot of other members, I am happy to see Peter back
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Quote from: PAmizerman on March 06, 2019, 07:33:57 PM
Does it dump automatically or manually?
No, I have to pull a lever. Like a wood splitter. But, it is fast just have to wait for the lumber to clear out the end.
This is a great idea for saving time smiley_thumbsup smiley_thumbsup....How do you deal with blade changes on the edger?
Percy, I left a hole/ place where I can get to the blades. I think one hour will do the job. I'm fussy on the blade alinement thing. I'm never in a hurry working on my stuff. ;)
Had a two-man job, now a one-man job. ;D ;)
That last truck with W Pine added up to 8,400 bf.
The same guy coming Saturday More Pine, When you find nice big pine get all you can afford. ;)
$355 a 1000 :o
I like the way you Yankees do/ price your logs. I'm assuming that 355.00 is your logs cost per 1000 bdft. Easy to cost a job. Up here it's by the cubic meter. We pay for the sawdust 😂😂😂
Peter - that is some beautiful pine for sure. You make me jealous!!! I would appreciate seeing some photos or video of your edger return as well. Thanks.
I have to get this pc thing down. The video thing will be coming.
I make lumber better than using a pc. :laugh: :laugh:
More wood. 8)
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I hope some are 16'8+ so to cut some in half. Loggers around here don't cut 8' unless it's pulp.
I'm always jealous of the quality of logs you get!! That's some great looking stuff.
You know PAmizerman It has taken me a long time to find truckers and loggers that bring me what I want and do what they say they will do.
I have good guys now, Very profitable that way. I pay as much as the com mills and a little more some times.
Keep in mind if you surround your self with hard-working guys that are honest. your business will fly.
Yes around here it is hard to find reputable loggers. I have a list of fifteen guys. I have already knocked 3 off the list that I will never buy from again.
I only have two loggers that I feel I can fully trust. They are both straight shooters. The one deals in a lot of really nice logs but does most of his work too far away for hauling. But when he is in my area he let's me know.
The second does good work but doesn't usually get into as nice of logs (diameter wise). He always let's me know what the load will look like and I can trust that it will be what he says.
I've only been dealing in hemlock for three years. So I'm sure in due time I will be able to find someone to get me logs like yours. Or maybe I'm just too picky :D
What I do is tell the trucker what I'm looking for, Like no smaller than 12" or 16" top end and 6" of trim. I have one trucker buys logs and sells to me. The other thing the trucker goes to a lot of jobs and can see what they have.
When he gets to a good job with big trees he tells me about it, so if I want some I tell him yes or no. Sometimes you can have a good logger and bad ground. I'm not a big mill and can't eat junk logs like the big mills. But on a cleanup load, I'll get 3 or 4 junk ones, I don't pay for them, But it helps the trucker clean up. I just make dunnage with them. 4x4x4'
Around here big mills want 14' 16' only. some 12' no 10' or 8'
Pine, hemlock I buy all of the sizes, Hard for me to get 8' Most times when I scale out a load I put all the long 16' to one side after I scale it then cut in half.
Have one trucker markets trees for an excavator guy clearing land. Now, I get nice trees I mean nice. :o ;)
The hardwood for my stake market can a little tuff. Have to have 3 clear faces 8' 12' 16'
I do some trailer decking too.
Sometime in the summer when hardwood gets a stain in them I can get them for a lot less $$$
Last year I got a bunch of W and R Oak for .40 a bf that is less than half price. [4 clear faces] 8) The customer buying grade and tree stakes don't care about some stain.
My $$$ market is long stuff,
Just had a guy want 5- 30' 10x12. for a job in the spring W Pine.
I have a trucker that has 50' TT for that. But you have to have a logger that would not bend the trees too much and crack the tree, that took a long time to find him. And that's more $$$$ for all. ;)
Some of the W Pine, Customer wants 1"x17"x12'.
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A little bibbiying sawing. ;) And the old chain saw thing. :D
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When I cut a log that way, I do try to hit the 45° to the face I'm keeping on the log.
Fits in good and helps me get the cant square back up again.
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Nice flooring,
Beautiful stuff I don't see pine like that very often. 8)
Peter had some nice pine logs in the yard.
They are some beautiful boards.
Nice going with that bad boy Peter. That's the ones that I love to hate sawing. They are a pain but the reward is great, even if it's only the personal satisfaction of cracking it open. smiley_thumbsup
Peter,
What's that white sheet of paper attached the the idle side band wheel cover?
Peter
Nice looking stuff
What scale do you use when buying?
Wish I could get more WP here.
When I do its $350 Doyle, my scale and I am generous.
I usually look at the logs on the landing before committing
Quote from: YellowHammer on March 17, 2019, 09:04:44 AM
Peter,
What's that white sheet of paper attached the the idle side band wheel cover?
Old sticker, A&P sawmill
Quote from: Magicman on March 17, 2019, 08:15:25 AM
Nice going with that bad boy Peter. That's the ones that I love to hate sawing. They are a pain but the reward is great, even if it's only the personal satisfaction of cracking it open. smiley_thumbsup
When I get a load in I get it all, Big and small, I tell them no more than 30". ok :D :D :D :D
Quote from: petefrom bearswamp on March 17, 2019, 09:55:23 AM
Peter
Nice looking stuff
What scale do you use when buying?
Wish I could get more WP here.
When I do its $350 Doyle, my scale and I am generous.
I usually look at the logs on the landing before committing
NH has international 1/4" log rule. With deduction like Splits, shake, rot, sweep, ants, iron.
;D
I have inventory to cut too. I do that at the same time with the order.
17" done now 50-- 1x15x10' with a few 14".
The edger working well for me.
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Who was that [take steps to save steps] ;)
smiley_wavy Hi Mr, Yellow Hammer.
Great job on the return for the edger. Its a great example of "Taking Steps to Save Steps." I appreciate you mentioning it. You've always got your mind working, which shows in your operation.
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Mill is in the shop for the maintenance once over and then off to the first job for this year.
Nice wack there Bandmill Bandit.
Thanks Peter
Just got a note from the client that those are the 16 footers and there are 2 MORE wacks of 12 footer and 8 footers that are bout the same number of logs each so about 180 ish total log count.
I was thinking 2 to 3 days but now I am thinking a week at least.
A week alone,, A lot of work there.
Some help will make go faster.
Iron in a log,
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got it out, now to get the most out of the log that's left.
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I put the whole on a 45° and edge it out as I cut.
This was a "WOW" day!
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Hit the first log at 1:00PM
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Shut the mill off at 5PM with just over 1600 BF stacked and just over 4000 BF on the 7* turbo Carbide on the mill and it is still cutting like a razor blade. Got Love it when the day goes as PLANNED.
Well, Almost. Was supposed to start sawing at 8 but the morning hours were just way to short.
Nice looking show going on there BandmillBandit. What width of blade are you using in your carbide? I'm tempted to try a carbide but am concerned about hitting a rock or some other item that could damage it. I pressure wash if needed and am wondering how they handle non-debarked logs. I would get choked up with a new carbide and hit something or dull it off in some unseen grit or something.
Also what kind of run time can one expect as far as breakage is concerned.
Nice setup, I'm making all my roller tables like yours with a full pan with rollers 24" to 30" apart. Or a conveyor, ;D
I just got my carbides in 5 in a box.
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They have a plastic guard on them,
You have to look hard to see the carbide. :D
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You can feel it on the very tip of the tooth.
I put one on, Recording the bf of the logs till the blade cuts bad or brakes.
Bandmill Bandit Don't you stop to clean out from behind the b57 with carbide blades running so long?
I run a B56 on the drive wheel and a B57 on the idler side.
My rollers are 24" on centre. The pans are 3/16ths aluminum 21" x 21" with a 3 inch edge and welded corners bolted in with 5/16ths x 3/4 stainless bolts and nylock nuts.
Running the 1.5 Carbides not sure what gauge.
So far my average is pushing 7K to 8K BF per sharpening cycle AND I have yet to break one.
This one is in it 2nd cycle so will be approaching 12000BF total as of tonight.
Best single cycle so far was just a tad over 10,000BF out of the box. The other blade thats done 2 cycles cut just over 15000BF and is in the shop to sharpen.
I only cut 2 logs up yesterday, But today hammer down. ;D
@Bandmill Bandit (http://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=12409) what dimensions were you sawing when you got 15000 bf on the band?
Quote from: PAmizerman on March 21, 2019, 12:23:35 PM
@Bandmill Bandit (http://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=12409) what dimensions were you sawing when you got 15000 bf on the band?
That was the 2 cabins I sawed out last fall, about 50 to 60 % 5"X9" X 20' and 16'. The rest was 4"x 6" X 12' , 2"x 8" 12' , 2" x 6" x 12', 1" x 6"x 12' and 1" x 12" x12'.
And that was out of the box for about 9000ish bf and the rest on the first sharpening.
The second band that has also had a sharpening is now over 14000 feet and still cutting better than a new double hard but its very near ready for a change. I didn't count at the end of the day today do so it could be over the 15000 mark already. By the saw dust bags filled today I cut about 3200BF today so likely over the 15000BF already.
Those are quite impressive numbers on your carbides, especially not breaking yet. The production benefit by not changing blades often would certainly be a big bonus. Going to have to give serious thought to this.
Thanks for replying.
Yes Don.
I am way beyond impressed, probably bordering on "is this for real"?
To day was the 4th day of sawing on the current blade.
(I checked my note book in the shop and have made the corrections accordingly Sorry for the wrong numbers.)
As a rule my average was 12 to 15 (note book says 6 to 8 ) MBF on at least 4 or 5 sharpen cycles to breakage point on double hards. AND that meant a new blade to start the day and at least 2 blade changes during the day. Bi metals gave me 6 (not 4) average sharpen cycles to breakage and about 500BF per cycle better yield.
The carbides are working very well and they seem to have drastically reduced ALL of the common quality issues AND they saw VERY smooth lumber.
I would guess they have increased my average production per hour by about 60 to 80 BF minimum and about 10 to 15% less saw dust, MUCH less saw dust left in the cut and way less saw dust under the mill too as a result.
These are woodmizer blades?
I can't believe the way they cut. if this works out I'll never cut without a carbide' You can see the flat in the cut. :o :o :o Kind of like the difference between sharpening with a rock or a CBN wheel in oil. Will see how it goes. I have another box coming.
How, who, what is used to sharpen these? Resharp? CBN wheel?
Diamond wheel that is not cheap and you only "tickle" the tip of the tooth. No gulet grind at all and no setting the teeth after the sharpen is done. I do check them to make sure they are all straight.
Sharpen time is a quarter or less.
I assume they are a Woodmizer blade but you'd have to ask Woodmizer to be sure.
My 35 now lives as a re-saw and I run the carbides on her, the old girl will feed as fast as my 70 with those on - it's really impressive. I am excited about how they will re-saw KD into siding the next time I have to do some as that was always a challenge.
How much for a carbide band ?
Peter,
that's some nice pine as you know!! Some of the nicest I've seen
Quote from: Bruno of NH on March 22, 2019, 03:59:23 PM
How much for a carbide band ?
75.00 each
burtle
I do get in some nice pine from time to time, If a load is nice I buy all I can of that track.
Then I have customers bring nice stuff too his #2 load has 4 or 5 more loads. With the road bans up he has to hall the logs himself,
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With the snow going the phone is ringing off the hook.
That trailer of logs are the customers all 2x6 with some boards.
I got to tell you Bandmill Bandit The way the carbides are cutting I'll never buy a double hard blade again. :D :D :D 8) I'm still on the same blade. :o :o
Who can or will sharpen those?
Jim Rogers
Quote from: Jim_Rogers on March 25, 2019, 04:01:19 PM
Who can or will sharpen those?
Jim Rogers
Probably just leave some money in your will to take care of sharpening them some day. :D :D
Not bad, $$$$ I can use my sharpener just buy a diamond wheel from Wood Mizer, On sale now $ 149.00
I have been busy the last few days and only cut 2400 bf, And the blade cuts like the way it came out of the box.
This is the hardest cutting time for me, Logs are frozen 1/2 frozen, If the new blades work well now, this summer will be a piece of cake. :D
I will say, If I push my 51 horse cat [ to slow the blade down] I can get the blade to wave a little If I want. Just cutting at my regular speed It cuts as flat as an Iron.
I look at the pile of double hards blades I have even the new ones in a box.
Want to throw them out. :D :D :D I won't, maybe. ;D
Peter what profile and thickness is the carbide bands you are running?
1 1/4 x42 x 7° All they had in 1 1/4" blade. I want 1 1/4 x turbo 7° x 55.
Peter if you are going to Bruno's bring the double hard blades and I gladly dispose of them for you.
Well I had 2400 bf Hemlock cut. Then one time when I was one with the mill I pulled the head back and cot the cant, Poped the blade off.
Some tooth damage.
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With a dubble hard I would throw it away. The lumber would be all wash board..
I put it back on the mill. :D ::)
Have an order for 500 tree stakes, Hardwood. so with a bad blade, I cut some dry out W Oak
logs. ::) ::)
I cut another 800 bf with that blade, Had some lines, Tree stakes lines are ok. ;)
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Run your hand over it and you could just barely feel it, Looks worse than it is,
I had to take it off because of heat on the blade loosen the tension. It was getting dull but did not wave.
When I get my Diamond wheel I'm going to sharpen it and back on the mill. :D :D :D :D ;D
see how that works. ::) :D :D
If I give them away Pete I.ll let you know. ;)
Peter your experience is very much like mine.
Finished the job yesterday in 24 sawing hours and 4 hours of driving for the job.
Used 2 blades for the job with the first having about 4 thousand BF when I started the job.
Cut a total of 11000 BF of 2x4, 2x6, 2x8, and just over 4000BF (4 to 5 cords) of 1x Y? windslabs. Second band still on the mill and cutting BETTER than any other FRESH blade I have ever used. They are tough and the flex life in incredible.
I took the first blade from the job over to the machine shop and had it magna fluxed this morning. No gullet cracks that we could see so far. This blade will be over 16MBF total and wit get its second sharpen in the next day or so.
Blade cost with these blade is at least 50% lower NOT including the increased productivity AND the improved lumber quality.
Bandmill Bandit, again impressive numbers! Do you have a debarker on your mill? You clean/pressure wash them? I was told the carbides don't like dirty wood as they chip when hitting grit and such.
Very glad you are posting your experience, very informative! Thanks
Yes I do have a debarker, and i make sure it is working properly.
No I dont pressure wash logs. If there is a bit of a mud cake on the log I will use my flat spade to peal the bark in the area.
Now you guys got me rethinking dropping some coin on these carbides
Hmmm?
And the grinding wheel is only $150 like all the others?
I don't mill very much but I think my next band order will have a carbide in it. Because of this thread.
A debarker working properly is very important with reg or carbides blades.
Me too, I'm thinking the dollars and cents of this is right. Also, no setting after sharpening.
I got me one in yesterday to try...so far about 1500bf of KNOTTY, I MEAN KNOTTY pine and it's cut flatter than any other blade I've ever sawn with...I see the UPS man coming now with a full box! :D but I doubt you want to hit metal with it...kind of like gambling in Vegas running these bands
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Quote from: YellowHammer on March 27, 2019, 10:12:42 PM
Me too, I'm thinking the dollars and cents of this is right. Also, no setting after sharpening.
less time fooling with the blades is always a good thing.
Quote from: Lawg Dawg on March 27, 2019, 11:48:31 PMkind of like gambling in Vegas running these bands
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Not really Lawg Dawg - There is a bit of a learning curve for sure BUT, YOU have control of the situation ACCEPT for tramp metal and a good metal detector reduces this a lot.
You have ZERO control of any thing but your wallet in Vegas!
The most risk in using carbides is the side supports and other REQUIRED components on the mill that can be "momentarily" ignored! For just a BIT too long!
Experience is hard and unforgiving master!
Most of the logs I cut for people are yard trees and as such I expect to hit metal on a regular basis. Customers are ok with paying $25/strike, I'm not sure if they'd still be ok if I upped it to $75. Something to think about.
I charge 100 bucks for any foreign object strike that damages a blade!
If the customer bucks at that they can find some else to mill their logs. I don't need the headache.
BB,
I assume you are using all carbide if charging $100/blade metal strike. I'm with Darrell and charge $25. I have said before whatever you charge is fair as long as both you and the customer understand and agree before sawing starts. Sine I use doublehards I can replace the for the $25 and suspect my customers would balk at the $100 fee. But whatever blade I am using I would base my metal strike fee on what it would cost to replace it.
Yes WV I do use carbides when sawing for customers but when I was using the double hards, I did charge $50 for a blade damaged by foreign material.
Because I am in Canada my rates are always in Canadian dollars as well. The double hards were about 38 so 50 covered the swap time as well.
And YES I make sure customer understands the damaged blade charge before we start the milling.
Cleaned up, tuned up. A few new bearings here and there, alignment, now where's the logs?
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@donbj (http://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=43431),looks like you have a good size hill in the background. ;D
Yes! It's rugged mountains here. Beautiful area.
I know I'm always whining about getting small logs so I figured I'd share these
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Mostly around 16" that's pretty good round here.
Oh yeah.... See that odd brown spot in the background? That's dry ground 8)
Finally!!!
Cut first log today on Hurdle..lots of work yet to do..I just wanted to cut on it and I got to where I could today so I did.
https://youtu.be/Q7X0SCDkfHo (https://youtu.be/Q7X0SCDkfHo)
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Looks like a lot of things going on at the same time to pay attention to. Looks like fun.
Looking good 4x4. 8)
Congratulations - that had to feel good!!
Nice movie 4x4
There's something about a circle mill that is way cool. I think it's the fact that through put is so much higher with a circle mill.
Quote from: Darrel on April 03, 2019, 09:57:56 PM
There's something about a circle mill that is way cool. I think it's the fact that through put is so much higher with a circle mill.
And only a big saw makes that unique ripping noise. My band makes it in a small way but those big blades howl beautifully.
Some 40+ years ago I worked for a sawmill company that had to big mills. One was a circle mill with a 72" bottom saw and a 48" top saw used for cutting redwood. Their other mill was a big vertical band mill with an 8" wide band. Both were very fast but the circle mill was my favorite.
Very cool machine.
Quick safety question, is there any risk on kickback on the right side facing the mill, or do those hold downs really keep it from firing back if you catch a hang up?
I sent one board as a spear into the wall of garage on table saw once cutting small side between blade and stop...that will never happen again.
I was around circle mills quite a bit in my teens and twenties and never saw kickback on the head rig. The edger was a different story. On a two saw head rig, both the top saw and bottom saw push down on the cant as it is passing through the saw. So if it did kick back the bottom saw would kickback toward the sawyer and if the log is big enough, the top saw would kickback away from the sawyer. But like I said I never saw or heard of kickback on a head rig.
Well, the carbides cut good. The trouble with them I found is when I open a log with a 4" face I get a wave.
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With 1" of wood over the blade, it cuts flat.
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so now I find I'm losing my 4" wood. I could slow down but I would lose more money.
I had a blade got dull some and put on a new one, Backed the head back and cot the cant by 1/16", Pop the blade off and bent it all to dog ^%$# There goes $76.00 :o ::)
And they do cut steel very well too. ::)
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Nice clean cut.
I will say the blades cut so well I don't have to pay to much to the quality of the cut. I can just cut wood. Wood Mizer called me yesterday and my diamond wheel will be here next week.
I can cut all day with one blade saving time. With reg blades, I would change 5 or 6 blades a day.
I'll see how they sharpen up. Before I decide if we will use them all the time.
One dead blade.
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Back to cuting fat W Pine. ;D
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Did you get any snow yesterday ?
I'm ready for sun :)
I get that problem with the regular Turbos. They want some meat to chew on.
Good review of the carbides.
I've got a couple coming.
I've had good luck with the Carbide so far, actually I look at my double hards now and think, those things are for amatures :D...put it on and SAW! Don't look back...I'm getting a good 3000 bf per blade cutting dirty SYP logs. I just hit the tips with my little easy board walk sharpener with a diamond wheel. Best thing is no setting. I have a part time guy comes in a few hours every afternoon to help stack/clean boards...and I can just saw and get maximum production when he's here because we're not fiddling around changing blades every 2 logs
That's the biggest thing not fooling with the blades 4 + times a day. Then have to sharpen all night.
But the old blades have a place too. Like this morning I got to cut some old barn timbers in half,
You know they have IRON in them. ;D :D
When I get the new mill I will have to give them a shot.
Dawg what engine do you have on your mill?
Quote from: Bruno of NH on April 12, 2019, 06:41:16 AM
When I get the new mill I will have to give them a shot.
Dawg what engine do you have on your mill?
I got the 38hp gas...it does really good for the logs I saw. Never hesitates to gitty up and go!
I have seen a log flip when starting a cut but that was a small long log with to much hanging over the end of the carriage. The biggest worry for me is throwing teeth out of the saw but that does not happen often
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Quote from: Bruno of NH on April 12, 2019, 06:41:16 AM
When I get the new mill I will have to give them a shot.
Dawg what engine do you have on your mill?
I got the 38hp gas...it does really good for the logs I saw. Never hesitates to gitty up and go!
That's what I ordered
I couldn't afford the extra $4,000. For the Yarnmar this time
I sharpen a blade it takes two country songs and two country songs to set it,manual setter. The setter makes all the difference in the world, I would not think of sharpening a blade with out setting it now. I get about 20 logs between sharpening. Still on original box of double hards I got with the mill, broke 4, ate steel with 2.( 10 degrees blades woodmizers) Cutting cypress. I like to over set a little more around 30 makes a better clean out. I use a modified strongway chain saw sharpener to sharpen (has head degree adjustability) and pink ceramic 5 inch stone. The sharpener is a BMT100 I picked up on ebay for $114 only missing the stand and side rods no big deal.
Peter
I have had a bit of the "need more meat" as you so aptly put it, to chew on as well.
I now run my tension maxed to the pin on my gauge and keep it there. Haven't noticed it since I been doing that.
Also on engine choice; I have run, maintained, and rebuilt many engines from a 3HP (gas) to 4406 Cats, 3208 Cats, and even DV550 IH and a slew of others. Every one had its place, it strength, and weakness. They were all good when looked after well.
I debated on the diesel/gas issue when I bought my mill too. I went with the Kohler CH745 EFI 28 HP Gas which to day is a 34HP after a chip mod.
Diesel would be nice BUT after having run a few other LT40 mills with the diesel and the fact that I have no other diesel burners I can say I am not impressed to the point where I regret my choice of engines. The Kohler is a good solid engine that is easy to look after, sips fuel and starts well.
I max the tension too. I turn it till I can't turn it anymore. ;D
Quote from: YellowHammer on April 10, 2019, 02:05:18 PMGood review of the carbides. I've got a couple coming.
@YellowHammer (http://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=11488) you will like them. Especially when utilizing that WIDE now. Other blades pale in comparison when doing super-wide cuts. However, you can do to 2" .055's, so you may find that they do ok. I also believe you can get 2" carbides which would totally be the bomb. I have 1-1/4's, but just for 1-1/2's and like them even better. They are thin, being even a little less than .045's, but the carbide actually has alternating teeth, which require less set than standard blades. So, less kerf and sharper medium=win, for both speed and quality.
I asked and have been told a 2" won't fit on a 70. Do you know of someone who has done it? I would try them for sure.
Do you folks think I should try one with my new mill/lt40 wide 38hp gas
I mill a lot of wide slabs,some of the pine has lots of knots.
You would be surprised how many folks want lots of knots in the pine slabs.
Carbide? Lawg Dawg uses them with the 38 HP and a 40 wide and has had good luck. I do saw both white and yellow pine and will say that the knots in white pine do present more problems for what it's worth.
I have been running Ripper 37's in a 7° and like them.
I was told they are like the Woodmizer turbo 7°
I have Kasco 4° for the real knotty stuff.
They give a smooth finish on the slabs.
I get many sharpenings out of the Rippers
Personally, I would continue to use what is already doing a good sawing job for you since you are not a "high production" operation. Chasing blades can be a vicious circle.
The Rippers work great for me.
I can buy 15 , 10 , or 5 at a time and they all cost the same.
I have never had one brake on me.
Quote from: Southside on April 13, 2019, 09:16:34 AM
I asked and have been told a 2" won't fit on a 70. Do you know of someone who has done it? I would try them for sure.
I have some 2" blades to try on my mill, I haven't gotten around to it yet though
Not like you are busy or anything, so get to it and report back! :D
I think the lt40 wide I'm getting runs 1 1/4" bands
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8" 220 v 3horse Good price,
Wood going out,
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6x8x24'
Nice work
Nice Pete, Those are some long ones.
Tim
The carbide blades do well. BUT, I sharpen 10 with my new diamond wheel and turn the feed up as I do with the reg blades. Put one on and cut like, Well you know. ;D
I called NY. to talk to the resharp guys. They told me they get one, one blade every 5 or 6 weeks or so. to do. What!!
So I call Indy. They tell me I have to go slow, slow with the feed so the wheel will have time to cut the carbide.
So much for saving time sharpening. Where I save is in the cutting of the logs.
Now I have to do them all over again. :D :D :D ;)
Good thing I have more boxes of them. ;D
And no more free shipping. The last box of 5 was $404.00.
Will see how this all pans out.
Shipping should be free if you just order 60 of them. :D :o :o :o
Quote from: terrifictimbersllc on May 13, 2019, 11:35:25 PM
Shipping should be free if you just order 60 of them. :D :o :o :o
Maybe I'll just order 120 to get a discount on them. ;)
When you say slow, you mean like on setting #1? How many passes to sharpen? I've got a couple to try, interested to see the feedback.
I have to do a little more homework. I was sharpening at 5 0r 6. to fast. Do you have a WM 250 CBN?
Yes, WM BMS 250 CBN sharpener.
I set speed at about 3 - 4 ish on my sharpener for the carbides and so far I only do one time around for the blade. You just barely need to "tickle" the tip and it is working great for me.
Make sure you use the proper diamond wheel too.
I run at 2 or 3. With the double hards, I run 6 +
5500 hrs on it not bad.
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All better.
Sometimes you have to tilt to fit.
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To long on one end. ;)
Is that for the up/down motor?
They came and got my tractor yesterday for some warranty work
They say I will have it back tomorrow.
I'm not buying it got my logger friend coming with his log truck to load the deck in the morning.
Those are the power feed sprockets that pull/push against the chain. I am on at least my third set.
I love that Cat's tilting ability Peter. Thankfully that is what is working with me now. That and the telescoping boom are life savers.
Put on a nice 24" x 12'long white pine today.
Milled out some 18" wide boards and some nice side lumber.
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John and I were planning to plane some longleaf pine today and glue up a table top but we may have a buyer after sending a picture of the planed wood.
Anyway, we set the pitch a week or so ago and got around to planing it today. We'll see if it sells. If not, we'll glue up a table top.
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Dang - that is purdy...How big of a log did that come out of?
Southside, these were 2"x 12" 's. We sawed them quite a while ago and these are some of 30-40 2x8 - 2 x 12's we sawed that day. I think the logs were 18-20" in diameter. There is a picture somewhere of my hand on a longleaf stump with a lightening strike scar (the stump, not my hand). If you look carefully at the board on the left in the top picture, you will see the damage from that strike.
John and I spent a weekend a few summers ago cutting, loading, hauling and unloading about 25 of these longleaf pines from a lot that was to be a home site. These trees were 100-125 years old.
The first can of planer shavings was taken to my daughter's hog pen for bedding but we bagged the rest to use as fire starter and to make our trucks smell good.
I remember that photo, sure is some nice lumber.
I did not cut wood today, Had to scale a load of Hemlock. Yesterday was R Oak.
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I do spread them out to scale.
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This is what Hemlock should look like, cleen no shake.
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Some Oak.
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Custome cutting too'
18" W Pine, some random stuff too.
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Have truck loads of chips going out.
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But I do have to get on the stick. A lot of lumber to replace that was sold the last few weeks.
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All in all a good day.
More logs coming this week. [Winter cut] is the best.
Looking good Sir
Nice logs
Where are the chips going ?
I hear the softwood pulp is going to start picking up.
One mill in Maine is taking it for a new process making cardboard.
Burlin power plant.
franken-smiley
Dog days of summer.
Drying wood sending out timber frames.
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Looks warm there too, only thing missing is the dog.. :)
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Another happy customer! Cut these timbers and lumber (pics below) last July and they just finished the final touches to this structure on the week end. Will be a cobble stone floor as well
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How's the Lull working out ?
Peter,
What would a pine 10 x 10 x 10 pine beam green off the sawmill be worth?
Quote from: WDH on July 20, 2020, 06:21:23 PM
Peter,
What would a pine 10 x 10 x 10 pine beam green off the sawmill be worth?
$ 80,00 I get $150 a bf up to 16' Then the price goes up. I give .35 a bf for W Pine here.
How are things with you WDH? are you enjoying your retirement?
Yes Sir. Working harder now than ever. This sawmilling business keeps one busy. $1.50 sounds good.
Quote from: WDH on July 20, 2020, 06:21:23 PM
Peter,
What would a pine 10 x 10 x 10 pine beam green off the sawmill be worth?
In this Country that timber would be $265CDN FOB my yard, so about 200 ish USD.
Todays Milling is a Labor of Love that was a result of several people coming together to help a school for first nations junior and senior high school kids with the wood shop classes in their schools new shop.
The kids love the shop and the potential but the budget for material is so minimal that students need to pay half the cost of the wood and material for the projects they want to build. For most of the kids 25 bucks might as well be a million.
This tree was ordered removed by the city. It was located on the edge of the lot of the school's Principal and her husband Larry, about 6 feet from the road.
While Larry was falling it, I stopped and asked what they were going to do with it. He said "fire wood"! I said there is a lot of good lumber in that tree.
He said yea but I don't need any lumber. Gail, his wife and the schools principal, asked what it would cost to mill it. I asked her who's paying? She said we could really use it for the school shop and I said "In that case I will mill it for free!"
The link will take you to the schools web site and i will add more pictures as soon as I figure out how to capture them from a video stream.
https://www.mamawiatosketan.ca/ (https://www.mamawiatosketan.ca/)
Larry dropping the tree.
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Milling in progress.
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We got just under 600BF and the young man helping me is the schools industrial arts teacher. He asked me if I would mill logs for the school if he brought them to me.
I told him to find some good logs and get them to the school and I would help him do a class on "forest to home" for the classes he teaches Including a couple of classes of milling the logs on the schools site. He was very excited and happy and accepted my offer enthusiastically with the principles blessing as she was standing right there when we talked about it.
Jeff, Mods, I am thinking this may turn into a thread that will warrant its own space. Please monitor and let me know if you think it should get moved. Thanks
Always good to help the kids and the poor.
Good job. 8) 8) 8)
Fun today, 0° with sun, put up a tent, mill head over the hydro box, turn on the space heater for 30 min later the cat fired up hydro works like it's 40°
Cutting 18- 9"x9"x14' 50--4"x8"x14' Had my 5th TT load of Hemlock comes in at 3,30 have it all scaled.
Put it away in the morning. Make room for more.
I love mechanize loggers. ;)
Had a customer who said it will get colder tonight.
Have the lull plug in too.
I would have put up some pix, but I'm having trouble with the kodack.
You all stay warm out there.
:new_year:
Peter,
That hemlock is some nice.
Squeaky cold here in Bernie land.
Cold here too. Around 10° today.
My logs are currently stalled out. Loggers tell me it's been to windy to cut.
My log yard is empty and the orders keep piling up. I keep trying to catch you Peter.
22 triaxle loads for me last year. What's your average for a year?
Down here I only had one logger who cut logs like that, the right way. He had to retire early due to severe lime disease. The others are tree removable people who mostly butcher everything. I pay accordingly but running a chainsaw is not what I am supposed to be doing.
Few days ago cancelled a job for today, 9F in the morning no thanks my fingers too cold on the joysticks.
Going outside soon to split and stack firewood.
I'm still getting 2 orders a day.
Some very good connections.
Last year was my first year with center loader and truck/pup loads.
I hope it keeps up.
Peter it is cold , I haven't built a place to get out of the wind yet. It's coming.
I'm happy , I enjoy this business and Thanks Peter for all your advice and help.
Phase 2 of a job in progress.
40 x 12's and 16's being bucked today. Looks like up to 24 ish of 16's and then 6 to 8 x 20's.
Phase 1 was 18 x 8's, 14 x 12's, 6 x 16's and 2 x 20's. i got pic enroute of phase 1 and will post as soon as I have them down loaded.
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PAmizerman I don't know how many truckloads. I have not added up the BF total of what I cut last year.
My last "Day Cutting Wood" I came away with what sounded like a lifter tick on my CH745 Kohler 28HP EFI engine.
Opened the right hand valve cover just to check and found a bent push rod. Not enough to fall out but enough to "tick" pretty good. Second time it happened. Last time was about the 800hr mark. This time its just past 2100hrs. Valve travel, guide placement/wear no an issue. just the bent push rod.
Checked em all since i in there any way and all looks good. 1 user forum says go to a 5-20 or 0-20 engine oil. Checking with Kohler on that. Other wise have not really found anything conclusive as to a possible cause aand it only affect 1 exhaust valve.
Any ideas or knowledge on the subject would be appreciated.
Got a bit of an education from "Mike the Mechanic" who owns the local small engine repair shop thats been in business for 40+ years.
Kohler, Kawasaki, Briggs-Vanguard and a few other he mentioned
in the 18 to 30 +/- HP V Twin range ALL have a similar issue.
The lifters tend to cease and then bend the push rods or worse. The Kohler and KAWI apparently take same lifter as a 350 Chevy and they last a lot longer. If you open it up change em all is what Mike told me. The lifters he sold me came in GM parts bag with GM number on them.
He says he's never had one come back after he swaps to the GM lifter.
My mill lives to cut another day.
I call this one a play date;
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Thanks for the reset. All pics loaded now.
4 days of Baileys coffee and sawing logs. We didn't work all that hard but had 7200BF when we were done. Kinda surprised all 3 of us.
Mostly 4x6, 6x6 6x8, 8x8 and a few 4x10.
Did 4, 6x18x22' bridge timbers too, for a quad bridge over the little creek behind the shop so Chris can get to the house with the quad without having to go around on the drive way which has an 18" culvert for the creek. maybe a bit of over kill??
I got all the pics to up load so I finished the above post and gave it bump up post.
Friends of mine.
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Mud is drying up some.
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That a red tailed hawk?
yes.
I'm ready for freeze up
The mud has been bad all summer with this rain.
Quote from: Bruno of NH on August 29, 2021, 02:56:42 PM
I'm ready for freeze up
The mud has been bad all summer with this rain.
Been so humid/hot/wet this summer Here. Also looking forward to freeze up although I'm sure I'll be singing a new tune by then
We haven't been fighting mud, but clouds and I mean CLOUDS of dust! Driest summer in a long time, we've finally been getting some rain and cooler temps this last week.
I be happy to have the heat break. AC decided to head south for the summer about 2 months ago. This has been a terrible year to not have AC. More 90 degree days than I have seen since I lived in AZ.
Quote from: Crusarius on August 29, 2021, 08:53:51 PM
I be happy to have the heat break. AC decided to head south for the summer about 2 months ago. This has been a terrible year to not have AC. More 90 degree days than I have seen since I lived in AZ.
Everyone lives like a hermit come summertime in AZ, except the Mexicans, you couldn't pay me enough to landscape in that heat.
Quote from: barbender on August 29, 2021, 06:23:44 PM
We haven't been fighting mud, but clouds and I mean CLOUDS of dust! Driest summer in a long time, we've finally been getting some rain and cooler temps this last week.
We've been just as dry. Was in your neck of the woods a couple weeks ago hoping you were more moist (and cooler) than us but it sure didn't look like it. Then we got 5" of rain last Thursday and another 3" on Saturday. Never seen such little run off from that much rain, sucked it right up.
Is your operation visible from the road on 46 off to the west a little north of the casino? Saw stacks of logs at a farm over that way and wondered if it was you.
Alan
Quote from: HemlockKing on August 30, 2021, 06:36:32 AM
Quote from: Crusarius on August 29, 2021, 08:53:51 PM
I be happy to have the heat break. AC decided to head south for the summer about 2 months ago. This has been a terrible year to not have AC. More 90 degree days than I have seen since I lived in AZ.
Everyone lives like a hermit come summertime in AZ, except the Mexicans, you couldn't pay me enough to landscape in that heat.
Nope, never did. Just did more things at night.
Quote from: Crusarius on August 30, 2021, 04:56:44 PM
Quote from: HemlockKing on August 30, 2021, 06:36:32 AM
Quote from: Crusarius on August 29, 2021, 08:53:51 PM
I be happy to have the heat break. AC decided to head south for the summer about 2 months ago. This has been a terrible year to not have AC. More 90 degree days than I have seen since I lived in AZ.
Everyone lives like a hermit come summertime in AZ, except the Mexicans, you couldn’t pay me enough to landscape in that heat.
Nope, never did. Just did more things at night.
That’s right. Basically as the sun would go down you’d notice more and more people out walking and doing stuff, mowing grass etc lol
Did camelback mountain a couple times in the summer had to start at about 5:30 am though and finish before 10.
I can’t remember I think it was 90 minutes each way
My condo was at the base of camelback mountain. Nice area but the ghetto overflowed and I kept being a theft victim. I still miss AZ alot but not sure I could ever live there again.
Quote from: Crusarius on August 30, 2021, 09:25:17 PM
My condo was at the base of camelback mountain. Nice area but the ghetto overflowed and I kept being a theft victim. I still miss AZ alot but not sure I could ever live there again.
I haven't been there since 2012. Probably won't return for awhile either sadly
Peter what's up with that telehandler? Did you ax the Cat? Or is the Cat down and that's taking it's place for now? :o
The cat was a dog. He took it to the pound. :D
Read Peter's thread "More bad luck" from Feb 2020 to get the story of the Cat that didn't have 9 lives.
I went with the cat though they had good stuff. All there making now is over price junk.
Cat is not the same anymore,
I have a friend with a cat backhoe, 3500 hrs and it needs a rebuilt trans put in $35,0000 just the trans in a box. Now put in in$$$$ ::)
Cat s tryin to live off their name now, I wont buy one . Steve
My two friends that have big excavation companies.
20+ employees each
One runs Volvo the other Kamutso
Hello to all of you. Its been a whilesince i did a post BUT heres some pics of a few jobs in the region that we are re locating too.
Its really hard to beat this kind of beauty for milling sites.
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Up in the Terrace region of super natural BC!
Wes, I have been wondering where you were, and moving close to your Son makes perfect sense. Heck you will even be close to Percy but we won't tell anyone. :D
Dang! That's a pretty spot.
Hey Magic, good to hear from you too.
That spot is on the north end Kalum Lake, looking across the Kitsumm Kalum river delta to the north west. Our lake lot is about a 1/4 mile south right on the beach. Some incredible fishing on that lake and 5 others with in a 30 minute drive, but thats for next year.
My sons wife and the property owners wife are sisters. I sawed out a new 16' x 24' deck and 300' of cedar fence that has apparently motivated the tagging of about 20+ trees so far for spring milling for a whole bunch of projects on the camp grounds. Total of 46 acres with 28 camp/cabin sites at the moment. I'll post a few more pictures later. most of the lake abd boating pics I have posted come from the area. Also some of the best big game and trophy hunting, fishing and heli skiing.
Oh and I am doing mobile milling that Percy is passing on to me as they dont do mobile any more. Apparently I have favorably impressed a few the entrenched logger types with the quality of my work.
I am guessing this video is a common scene there at your new place? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVS1UfCfxlU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVS1UfCfxlU)
:D
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Thanks Southside.. I needed that :D
How do you get sawing done with a view like that? ;D
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When I met Wes, he was on the way to Terrace to visit with his Son and PatD & I were headed home. move_it
We had driven through the area where he is settling and I can attest to it's beauty.
It is tough to get any real production but then production isnt as important as quality on the these initial jobs I am doing. I have a hunch i may be needing an extension though. A lot of trees up there will give you a longer butt log than a lot of the full length of a whole tree in this area and some awesome clear lumbe out of a lot of them. I got 3 Sitka spruce that we cut, limbed, bucked, 2 weeks ago that gave us 2 x 16's, 2x12's and a 10' that is still 8 inch small end. the butt logs are 34" to 38" AFTER we cut the bell off. Whats left in the top will be 4x4 dunnage. just way too much fun.
What a nice place to work! Quality is always #1
Getting cold here. Should have back-drag the yard some before a freeze.
Went out this morning " too late" Hard :D
Nice sun rise at the mill.
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Sun comes in and worms up.
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Hydro on the LT40 a little slow.
Have trucks coming in with pine and hemlock, Red oak
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Too far for a pic.
Just keep pilling. Have one timber frame with 72 pieces of 12' stuff.
8x8 8x6 8 x10 3x5 and more.
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Happy bird day. 8) 8)
It's here.
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And the first thing to do is cut rock. :D
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Some towns want the logger to put down 2" rock at the landing to clean off the mud on the truck tires. This rock is sharp and got push into the log 3" add snow and the fun starts'
But never fear, the NEW t7 blade will find it.
Cutting a lot of beams this week. All my timber framers that buy from me want clean beams. That's when the rags come out.
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Just a day cutting wood.
Looking good Peter
Bruno, did you put a roof over the mill yet?
Fine looking operation Peter.
And that Lull matches the mill colour so nice too! 😎
Quote from: Peter Drouin on November 28, 2021, 10:08:53 AM
Bruno, did you put a roof over the mill yet?
Not yet lol
Been so busy sawing
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More wood, More coming.
With the way things are, I get it when I can. Most of the big mills are out of wood or only have enough for a day or so.
Yes when you can get it and it's good ,I have been buying as well.
Hoping to get a load or 2 this week.
Snows on the way today.
Same here. I bought 5 and have 5 more coming. Not sure where I'm going to put them 😂
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A house show up. And I have my own logs to cut' :o ::) :D
I'm about out of logs. There getting hard to get here. I'm booked out six weeks and losing work daily because I can't get to it quick enough.
Looking good there, Pine Man.
Quote from: WDH on April 21, 2022, 07:53:35 PM
Looking good there, Pine Man.
That's Pine / Hemlock /hardwood, man. :D :D ;)
The road bans just come off last week. Loggers piling logs at their landing for me. I should get 4 to5 more TT loads next week.
I'm so far behind. :D :D
That pic is 3 loads, I did not get pic of the first truck.
Maybe 12,000 to 18,000 bf.
You are still the Pine Man, even when sawing hemlock :D.
Quote from: WDH on April 21, 2022, 08:00:03 PM
You are still the Pine Man, even when sawing hemlock :D.
:D :D smiley_thumbsup
Just call around, pamizerman.
Looking good Peter
More TT loads of logs. No room. ::) :D :D
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18-20-24'
More around the corner in front of the lull.
Filling up :)
Quote from: Peter Drouin on April 22, 2022, 09:49:45 PM
More TT loads of logs. No room. ::) :D :D
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18-20-24'
More around the corner in front of the lull.
Doesn't look like your playing around 👍
With less and fewer loggers and truckers. Get the wood when you can.
Can't sell lumber with an empty cart.
Looks like someone will be sawing and selling!!!
8)
My problem is I can only have enough room to get 4 loads in here. Can't wait to get moved
2 More today
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W Pine.
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W Oak and red
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More R- W- Oak in the next 3 loads.
Goes out like this.
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I was thinking of getting a man with his sawmill and cut for me by the BF.
With me cutting too, I could catch up.
What will you do about the blue stain when it's get's warmer? I have all my w. pine on sticks now and the nights are cool and it's been windy. Almost every spring just when the pine is done, another load shows up, drives me nuts, i will have to spray it.
All winter cut, will give some time. Just cut like hell. :D :D ;)
It goes out so fast, it's still green.
No spray here. What is it that you spray on the lumber??
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llast load from him.
Loading up the yard is nice
Not always fun Bruno :D
Did not cut wood today, had to fix the chipper. Then the mill stopped working.
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Good thing I had some brushes.
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Had 3 sets, so I did them all, one in the mill and 2 extra, and a new one cumming from WM
At $300.00 each, that's cheap.
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Talking with them, the b57 belts are hard to get.
Happy I have 20. ;D
More wood, Oak, Burch, beach, pine..
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stuff going out sat
have to love 5th wheels.
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Like this all day with the sun out and 50°
Seems like that Lull has been treating you well!
Can't have a saw mill without one. Load a trailer on the far side first. I just don't have the room with a belly full of logs in the yard.
Looking at a Nyle L200 pro. A lot of $$$$.
Will see. Don't want to take time from the hot rod. ;D
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Unload and load. That is a good thing!!!
Got wood 8)
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Buddy stoped in.
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love the reach
Now if the rain would stop!!
I notice the big mud puddle!!!
The rain has let up here some.
We are still getting the showers, but not as much rain as we had a few weeks back.
Wood and old truck looks good.
Looks like you have stuff to get done now.... :)
Nice!!
It's been wet down here too.
The good news is I don't really have much mud at the new site
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You must like the new place. More room??
More room. Less mud and more under roof!!
All the roof you can get is a good thing. Rain here two times today, you couldn't see 30' out across the yard. :o
Did get more Hemlock in.
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Nice stuff no shake or rot. Another load coming. ;D
My Pine Man is all bogged down in the mud. :D
That load will be all 14' For barn siding.
Did get some wood cut. And a ton of side wood.
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Want some mud?
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:D :D ;)
Mr. Drouin:
Thanks for the mud offer. I'll pass as I have plenty of my own.
My lawn is turning yellow because of all the rain.
I do not dare go into the garden as the wet clay soils help you gain weight and height from the mud attached to your footwear.
GAB
I did smooth it out some ;D
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PAmizerman,, Do you use your Lull like this to scale the logs?
I can see the logs well enuff to grade and scale them.
I can put them away faster this way.
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Nice Hemlock.
Softwoods aren't scaled around here. It's a flat price per triaxle load.
Mostly come in 25' sticks
Logs in NH are scaled hard or soft. That way I can deduct BF if something is messed up. Like rot shake, crook. Sometimes a big chunk out of the side of the log. Like a 16' log is 15'11". Mark the slip no trim cut to a 14' and scale.
I like to see what I'm buying.
But, that's how it's done in NH. Pulp is by the ton.
Peter
I'm glad your back taking pictures of your work day.
I have missed them.
I like seeing other Sawyers working in the mud :D
I got springs running all over my property and mill yard this year.
Sorry to disappoint you Bruno
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Quote from: PAmizerman on August 20, 2023, 11:23:07 AM
Sorry to disappoint you Bruno
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:D I need to haul in some hard pack
I've dumped over 1000 tons of stone into it
Nice yard,
More wood,
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Then more,
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Got to do a little scaling :)
Some of the Hemlock 24'
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I saw some dust??
I'm getting rain on Friday.
Are you?
I would not want it to dry out around here. ::)
yes thr and fri more rain. ::)
Mud sucks :D
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I did get some wood out, I always ask the customer what they hauling with. So I can make the bundles the right size.
The lull is a big help with a trailer like this.
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With the straps, makes loading easy. ;)
We use the straps as well
It makes loading easier with certain trailers.
I'm sick of the mud
We would gladly take some of your extra moisture.
Quote from: Nebraska on August 27, 2023, 07:05:12 PM
We would gladly take some of your extra moisture.
We have had nothing but rain all summer. The farmers have had a tough year.
Good quality hay is going to be hard to find and very expensive
There are two farmers who rent my hay fields. One on one side of the road and the other on the other side. So far one farmer hayed one field and the other fields have not been touched. The bales from the field that got hayed all molded and had to be throwed away. Tough year for farmers indeed!
However, they are predicting five days of sun starting Thursday and one of the farmers told me he would start haying then.
It seems when they are calling for sunny weather here that's when the smoke comes down from Canada.
If it's not hazy it's raining here
Good horse hay here is $14.00 a bale.
Sent out some chips.
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Cutting some W Oak today, and 16' 12"x12" W Pine beams, Let it rain. :D 8)
More wood and mud. :)
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I do hope the rain slows down this winter. :o
Can you imagine all this being snow!!!!!!
I've been thinking the same for a while...If the precipitation doesn't slow we'll be plowing/shoveling snow multiple times a week in New England.
Sure enjoy the pics of Peter's wood yard, and the big loads coming in.
Keep 'em coming, Peter. Hope its working well for you.
I went to load a chip truck, filled the truck then I wanted to pull down some chips from the top of the pile. I rolled the bucket down to pull the chips. Not a big pull back just off the top. then a snap sound from the bucket.
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See the cast ears on the end of the rod. clean brake
The replacement one is $2,000.00
So now I can't move logs or lumber till it's fixed.
New part will be here on Friday maybe. All the black iron
So the thing to know, Is don't pull back with the bucket.
Push all you want. With a lull. ::)
Is that some form of quick attach?
Yes, When I sold the cat, I had to fab the cat bucket to a lull bucket.
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I found the pieces in the wood chip pile. No welding it back the way it was. :D
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New part coming. In the meantime, I change the oil in the cat
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Cut some Wight Oak, and Then went for a ride in the HOT ROD ;D Made no $$ today, But, the ride in the rod was fun
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So don't pull back with the boom. PA mizerman :D :D :D :D ;D
Mud and more mud, I'm sick of it, Spent a bunch of $$ for gravel after I scraped off the mud. ::)
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Rain all day today. ::)
Have you ever put down fabric first? It will keep the mud from working up through the stone.
I just put more stone down this week as well.
I've dumped over 10k worth of stone and slate in the yard this year.
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It's an ongoing thing. With all the logs and trucks coming in, I have bark and more bark on the ground. In time it will work in the fill and turn it into much. 2 to 6" deep.
Try to skim off just the muck. :D
If I had stone like that in my yard, It would gone in a year, Stoney muck. ;)
Long before I got into anything wood related, I worked on a paving crew and the local UPM paper mill paved their whole wood yard. They were trying to alleviate the bark/mud mess, and they installed large sprinklers to wet all of the yarded wood to keep it fresh. The asphalt helped keep the water free of sediment as it ran back to the catch ponds that the sprinklers fed from. It seems to have worked pretty well.
That was some gnarly mix. Two lifts, I think the base was 3" of asphalt with 1½" rock, and the top lift was 3" of 1" rock mix. That was the only time in 17 years of paving that I saw mix with aggregate larger than 3/4". It was a bear to work with, thankfully looks wasn't high on the list of this industrial job😊
6" of asphalt :o That's a lot. And then I bet they still had to scrap the bark off the asphalt too.
That would be better.
I fight the muck too when it is wet here. One thing I make sure to do is clean up most of the bark after unloading a log truck. If you leave that bark over the rock it gets into it and then starts holding moisture and decaying. Once that starts it has to be removed and start over.
We did one job when I was contract hauling hot mix for a paving company, where they paved a pad for a huge feed bunker. This was for a big dairy farm that had 4000+ cows. They had tried concrete, but the acid in the wet sileage was destroying it.
On soft muddy areas we would bring in lots of breaker (larger size rock with jagged edges) and/or put down fabric. I've also seen other companies do soil stabilization it areas that won't tighten up. That being where they roto-till cement powder into the mud, roll it, and it hardens it like concrete.
The new mill Kenabec is building down the road from me is paved now.
They worked on the mill yard for 6 months before they tore down the 5 year old mill and started new again
I fight the muck now and when I can I'm going to try the fabric and crushed ledge stone or asphalt millings
Love it, The Logger calls and wants to know what length of log I want. Before he cuts Instead of just bringing a bunch of " stuff "
Yes all 10' and 12' I have 14s and 16s up the Wazo :D
Now some timber framer will call want 30'+ stuff.
It doesn't matter what all you have someone always wants something different.
All this and none of it will fill my next three orders.
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Two loads of custom-cut logs
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First load
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load#1
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One tree with red rot, no big deal, I will cut around it :D
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A big deduction on that stuff :D ;D
Mix-up the pix ::)
The first one is to show how the mill faces South with all the sunshine,
Last one of the mill too.
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Right off the mill onto the stickers, I try to handle the wood one time .
Wood was so nice I have another coming. ;D
They will keep till spring. With all the cold and snow.
Have to have time for the HOT ROD this winter.
;) :D
And when the road bans are up my yard will be full of logs. 8)
And sawing wood.
My Doc says at 69 years old and a stroke, I should slow down.
:D :D :D :D I say full blade ahead. :D :D ;)