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Started by DanG, January 05, 2014, 02:05:37 PM

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DanG

Ok, I'm caught with my pants down again.  I have a busted hose on my backhoe on a Sunday.  It is a primary hose that dumps fluid with just the engine running.  Due to a slow coolant leak, there is only water in the radiator, and we are in for temps below 20° tomorrow night.  To get antifreeze circulated, I would have to run the engine for a while to open the thermostat.  Will that hurt the hydraulic pump?  I could just drain the radiator but I'm not confident that there wouldn't still be water in the engine.  What is my best course of action since I have to leave for the week this afternoon. :P
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Chuck White

I think that if I was in your situation where you don't have a lot of freezing weather, I'd just drain the radiator and the block!

When the cold spell goes away, pour the water back in the radiator.

In the meantime, you can probably get the hyd hose fixed!
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submarinesailor

I agree with Chuck.  Drain it as best you can.  If you can (easily) get to it, I would pull the bottom hose between the radiator and block.

julio

can you put another hose over the bust one and clamp it so you run the motor
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POSTON WIDEHEAD

Quote from: julio on January 05, 2014, 02:42:49 PM
can you put another hose over the bust one and clamp it so you run the motor

We have done this to get a dozer off the fire line before. We used 2 clamps per side. It got the dozer back to the truck and loaded.
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DanG

Thanks guys.  I can't do anything with the hydraulic hose, so I'll just go with the drain thing.
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julio

it never gets that cold in the sunshine state
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Ianab

As long as you get most of the water out of the block it should be safe. Then there is room for the water to expand as it freezes, without busting anything.

Same as freezing 1/2 a bottle of water, vs a full one.

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DanG

Quote from: julio on January 05, 2014, 03:38:58 PM
it never gets that cold in the sunshine state

Don't bet on it, Julio.  My farm tractor is kaput because of a busted block.  We had an unexpected freeze when I was out of town a couple of years ago.  This time it isn't predicted to get above 30° for about 36 hours.
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julio

go to napa and get bottle of blue devil put it in rad. and it should work if it don't they will give you your money back 8)
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beenthere

Could remove the thermostat, and then put antifreeze mix in to get through the week.
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fuzzybear

 I agree with everyone else. Drain as much as you can out of the engine from the lowest point. There should be a drain on the block itself. After draining as much as you can close the drain and add antifreeze through the top end of the motor.  In reality you only need to add about 1 quart at this point.  Any water that is left should not freeze after that.
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Corley5

I run water in my 706 Farmall and drain the radiator and block when it's parked for the season.  Make sure the block drains completely.  Sometimes a bit of scale may plug the drain and it doesn't drain.  A buddy had his AC B freeze and break because he didn't wait around to be sure it drained completely.
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scsmith42

Quote from: DanG on January 05, 2014, 02:05:37 PM
Will that hurt the hydraulic pump? 

To answer your question, yes running the hyd pump w/o fluid will damage it.  Even worst is that sometimes the metal shavings can get throughout your system, so if you lunch the pump you may end up damaging a lot more stuff.
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kiko

What beenthere said, sounds like he has been there.

mad murdock

If you go for the drain option, don't forget to open the block drain as well as the radiator. Good luck Dang, and I hope the global warming doesn't freeze you up too bad ;)
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Sixacresand

I drained the water out my farmall today expecting the same cold front as DanG. 
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isawlogs

Here we have bloc heaters.. I would plug the thing in.

  You could tarp it and put a light in the engin compartment and it will not freeze. a 100 watt light will keep the engine from freezing if it is tarped over.   ;)
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thecfarm

He will be gone. If I tried the tarp a wind would come up and blow it off. But the tarp would blow off after the light bulb burned out.  :o
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isawlogs

That would also happen to me, but this DanG we's talkin' 'bout, he's sortof lucky in his spare time.  :)
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justallan1

Probably to late now, but I would have said a magnetic "Katz" heater. It's just a block heater that you stick on to whatever you want good and toasty. Half the time I just use them so I'm not freezing my darn fingers off on freezing cold parts ;D

Allan

Brucer

Quote from: scsmith42 on January 05, 2014, 06:18:36 PM
To answer your question, yes running the hyd pump w/o fluid will damage it.

Been there, done that, will never do it again :(.

Quote from: isawlogs on January 05, 2014, 10:27:04 PM
...  You could tarp it and put a light in the engin compartment and it will not freeze. a 100 watt light will keep the engine from freezing if it is tarped over.   ;)

Saw a guy do that once to his car, only he hung a blanket over it instead of a tarp. The engine didn't freeze. The whole car went up in flames. After the fire department got through with it, what was left of the car froze.

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DanG

If it was anywhere near a power source there wouldn't have been a question. :D :D  Have you ever seen one bust a hose sittin' by the shop? ;D
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DDDfarmer

Quote from: DanG on January 06, 2014, 01:24:46 AM
If it was anywhere near a power source there wouldn't have been a question. :D :D  Have you ever seen one bust a hose sittin' by the shop? ;D

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justallan1

Quote from: DanG on January 06, 2014, 01:24:46 AM
If it was anywhere near a power source there wouldn't have been a question. :D :D  Have you ever seen one bust a hose sittin' by the shop? ;D
I guess I should of thought of that before responding, OOPS!
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