From those that have experience with the two, which would you recommend if you could just purchase one to use when CSM to help with turning logs on the CSM? Also I was looking at the Stihl versions and they come in a few different lengths.
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Have not used a peavy hook yet but have a very good Logrite cant hook I am well pleased with. My next hook will be a Logrite peavy hook as I can see extra benefits from the point when moving logs in the yard.
I got both. Can't hook is better around the mill, or with bigger logs because it bites with both tip and hook so less inclined to slip.
Peavy is better around a deck of logs as you can put the point between logs to separate them, and drive the point into the ground to steer or stop a rolling log.
I also have hydraulics... I prefer them to either the above because I am fundamentally lazy. :D
Overall I prefer a peavey. The point is handy for prying when that's necessary, and as mentioned it can be stabbed into the ground to help in steering a log. It's also nice to stick it in the ground and have the tool free standing instead of leaning it against something or having to bend over and pick it up from the ground.
I like a peavey because I stick the point in the ground and lever logs to turn them. It also works well on a wood deck.
I use logrite tools because they work real well. A buddy of mine has a logrite cant hook and likes my peavey better so I bought him a replacement point to convert his. ;D
Jon
I have 4 Logrite Cant Hooks that are most often used. There is no point but I turn logs with them daily. The Peavey gets used maybe once a month.
The Stihl's are made by logrite. Same tools, different colors.
i no longer keep a peavy for the same reason mm mentioned :) i have a stihl cant hook and it works great whether orange or blue they are great hooks :)
Which ever one is nearest when I want to turn or roll something. As the name says cant hook for cants, on the carriage, peavey for log handling. Each will do the others job. I would get a longish peavey and a short cant hook. Frank C.
My dad had several peaveys and I got use to stabbing them into the ground so they'd be handy next time I needed them. My father-in-law had cant hooks and one day he asked me why I pounded them on the ground before I dropped them :D :D :D
I have used both for turning logs they are the same. I worked as a power lineman so we were turning power poles daily but I see no difference in turning a log or pole. The point is nice to stick in the ground and have it close by when needed rather than laying on the ground or to sometimes catch a sling or choker to pull the end under a log. You can use a peavey to pry logs apart but that is also a good way to break the handle. You can rock the log up on the point to make a space to slide a sling or choker under the log also.
Careful using either they can be dangerous we had a guy knocked out cold rolling poles off a cargo trailer the pole had a little dog leg in it, he rolled it towards himself and the edge of the trailer and it came all the way around and the handle hit him right between the running lights. If I had my choice I would take the peavey not because it turns logs better but because it has the point for the reasons I mentioned.
Mike
You better just go ahead and buy one of each. :laugh:
I was just thinking the same thing. Purchase one of each. It appears it is a preference. Thanks fellas for all the help. As usual you all are great!
Be sure to tell Tammy at Logrite (http://www.logrite.com/store/Category/Cant-Hooks-and-Peaveys) that you are a Forestry Forum member and that we sent you. ;D
I grew up with a peavey,the pointed one. Pryed alot of logs apart with that point. It's a region thing. Just like red hotdogs and grits. ;D
The original question was about buying one tool for turning logs on a chainsaw mill. When I first started chainsaw milling, I had a genuine Peavey brand peavey. It was great for shifting logs around on the ground but didn't work as well for turning logs when I had them up on horses.
When I bought my manual Wood-Mizer I bought a 30" Logrite "mill special" cant hook and that became my go-to tool for working on and around the mill. Even now that I have a hydraulic mill that 30" cant hook is the one that sits beside the mill. I keep a 60" Logrite cant hook in the back of the truck for rolling really big or sweepy logs but I don't have to pull it out very often.
My 60" Logrite peavey sits at home where I might have to maneuver a log in the bush. The old Peavey is retired -- I removed the hook and attached it to a chain for dealing with difficult logs (with my tractor).
I appreciate the good feedback. I'll get both and try both. I have John Deere tractor with a grapple that will allow me to load the log onto the M8, M7 or whichever I decide to go with. I just need to turn the log a few times. Thank you for the response.
Different length tools have different size hooks on them, and are suited for different diameter logs, so this variety might be more useful than whether it is a peavey or cant hook.
I did not know that so thanks for the intel.
When I ran the manual mill and had to frequently turn logs on the mill, I used a cant hook because I sawed a lot of good quality, furniture grade, walnut, cherry, etc., and the cant hook does not mar the cant to the extent that the sharp point on a peavy does. People won't buy boards with holes in them. It all depends on your plan and strategy.
Quote from: WDH on February 10, 2017, 07:51:34 AM
When I ran the manual mill and had to frequently turn logs on the mill, I used a cant hook because I sawed a lot of good quality, furniture grade, walnut, cherry, etc., and the cant hook does not mar the cant to the extent that the sharp point on a peavy does. People won't buy boards with holes in them. It all depends on your plan and strategy.
I imagine your customers will be disappointed to hear that you are no longer sawing "good quality, furniture grade, walnut, cherry, etc.". ;D
Gotcha! :D
Yes, I have had to rely on some Mississippi sawn lumber. Well sawn, though.
I'm looking at the Stihl products and placing an order on a cant tomorrow and see how it works out. From reading it appears that the size makes a difference. So I'm uncertain which length to go with. I'll be using it for general purposes of saw milling and on the land. I have a John Deere tractor with a grapple so for me picking up the logs will be a breeze but I need something to turn the logs on the sawmill.
48 works pretty good for me. Not big enough for real heavy or big logs but I find it's better to use the fel or winch for those. I have a 36 that i use a lot, but not for turning logs on the mill.
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I have four; a 60", two 48's, and a 24". If I were limited to only one it would be the 60".
For now I'll be limited to one and if that is the case I'll go with the 60. You guys are always great and thank you for the pics that really helped!
Nice variety MM.
Alabama, you should get a hookaroon as soon as you can. They are worth their weight in advil.
That 60" cant hook will guarantee you some leverage. Keep an eye out for a short one at flea markets, etc. A wood handle won't get you in too much trouble with a short one.
I bet you'll get hooked on sawdust.
The wood handled ones are a waste of your time.
Why so, Jeff? I don't put enough umph on ghe short one to break the handle. Just curious.
It ain't the umph, it is the log gripping ability.
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Here is what I was using before I got my 60" Logrite. I had never realized how much better that better was. Logrite's hooks are arched correctly and maintain their sharpness so that they grip and hold rather than loose their grip, slip, and bust your cookie. It did not take me long to increase my Logrite arsenal to the present level. One more 60" is on my want list.
You're right about that. They do grip better.
Would you rather have just the one 60 inch Logrite, or the 60 inch Logrite plus a an old 30 inch you found in your friend's barn?
I have turned many a log, and if I only had one, it would be the 60". Even on a hydraulic mill, you sometimes had to help a big misshapen log go from the loader arms on the mill, so my LogRite 78" megahook makes that easier to do.
The one I found in a friends barn would go on the wall. I have a hammer. If I found a rock, I wouldn't put it in my toolbox so I had another hammer.
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I could always use these......not. ;D
My son bought me this 60 incher,but I am having a little trouble with it...
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That's made for the backwoods logs.
Must have been a mix up at the factory. That has a New Zealand hook on it.
I think that they are shipped like that to fit in a smaller box
In order to fit in the box we have to reverse the direction of the hook. On the hook is a sticker that tells you to change the direction of the hook. On the directions and warranty sheet it tells you to reverse the direction of the hook before use.
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Just to be clear,my post was "hook in cheek".(new saying) I just made up....... ;D
Haha ;D :D ;D 8)
Quote from: Upper on February 13, 2017, 11:27:40 AM
My son bought me this 60 incher,but I am having a little trouble with it...
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I might be wrong but what you have pictured is not a cant. What problems are you having.
From that picture.... I am pretty sure the hook is supposed to be turned around the other direction.
-Dad2FourWI
I bought the 60" Log Rite and then gave Dad's old wooden handle one to my brother.
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no going back to old one if I ever get it back it's going on the wall to be forgotten. :D
Quote from: btulloh on February 12, 2017, 09:45:12 PM
Nice variety MM.
Alabama, you should get a hookaroon as soon as you can. They are worth their weight in advil.
That 60" cant hook will guarantee you some leverage. Keep an eye out for a short one at flea markets, etc. A wood handle won't get you in too much trouble with a short one.
I bet you'll get hooked on sawdust.
I'll look into the hookaroon too. But if I can get the cant going first at least I can do something. :)
I use the Hookaroon to reach across and snag/drag stubborn flitches from the loader arms onto the sawmill bed. Very handy.
I got in touch with Tammy a couple of weeks ago and now have a nice 60" Logrite. This is going to be so much better than my bending, screwed together, wood handled hooks. Thanks for the conversation guys!
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I have found the handiest thing around a circular mill is a longish peavey and a shortish cant hook. A long cant hook always seem to hit the overhead or other parts of the mill. A two foot cant hook will turn a large cant and not get in the way. Establish a location for both, a pocket works out good that way you can reach around and grab it without the search. Frank C.
Quote from: Upper on February 13, 2017, 11:27:40 AM
My son bought me this 60 incher,but I am having a little trouble with it...
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I saw a fella selling one of those on ebay the other day! I thought it was kinda unique!
Quote from: Tam-i-am on February 13, 2017, 12:40:32 PM
In order to fit in the box we have to reverse the direction of the hook. On the hook is a sticker that tells you to change the direction of the hook. On the directions and warranty sheet it tells you to reverse the direction of the hook before use.
Your counting on these guys being able to read! Me thinks some just look at the pictures.
Reading through this topic I noticed that since I posted the picture in my Reply #25, another Logrite has been added to my Logrite Corral:
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Six is a much better number anyway. logrite_cool
Last week I was dealing with larger logs so the Blue 60" Cant Hooks were used. This week the logs are much smaller so only the two Orange 48" Cant Hooks have seen any service. Not only are the lengths different but the hooks are also properly sized to fit different size logs.
I added the Orange reflective tape to each of them. The Green Hookaroon is a "one of a kind" and is the only Green one ever produced. :)
60"Log rite Peavey is my go to tool around the mill,I use it as a pry bar, and not just for logs, but moveing rocks, anything needs prying, used to tear down a deck once,even prying logs on the mill, the point works great I have a smaller canthook when I'm moving cants on the mill.
Are you able to put on a replacement point to convert a peavy to a cant or vice versa?
No, why would you? Unless you are the kind of guy that swears by screwdrivers with various bits stored in the handle, or uses a pipe wrench for a hammer. Lumberjacks don't do quirky!
My dad used to use a long peavy and a short cant hook. I use a long cant hook and a short cant hook..... and a medium lenght cant hook. ;)
I own two non-Logrite peaveys but they are never used except one for a pry bar. My Logrite cant hooks lay beside the sawmill, one on each end, and I have never seen the value of being able to stick them in the ground. The end on a cant hook is much more valuable to me because it grips that part of the log.
I still like my Peavey, if for no other reason than standing it up😊 If I had a manual mill I'd probably tend towards a cant hook, but I honestly use mine to pry logs apart and such, as much as I do for rolling logs. But that's just me. I think the Magicman saws more in a good week than I do all year, so anyone reading, I'd definitely give more weight to his opinion and set up😊👍👍
The point comes in handy to stick in the grounds if there is nothing to lean the peavey against.
That point really helps to pry the logs apart.
But as I said way back in my other post on this thread, it's a region thing.
I don't understand about prying logs apart. Why would you have to do that? If two logs are against each other just use your cant hook and roll one away. I must be missing something.
When they are piled on top of each other.
Working a log deck by hand or logs on the ground you 'jump' them all the time with the peavy point. Logs don't roll straight and using a wedge block and turning the log against it is more work than prying or popping with the point. Go to a log rolling contest and watch.
I also use it to pry the logs apart behind the 3 point winch to get the chains out sometimes.