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Title: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on March 24, 2002, 02:14:52 PM
Hydro-Ax Shears, 611 EX in northern hardwoods thinning.

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Jeff on March 24, 2002, 02:28:40 PM
Is that ours Ron? Maybe not, I thought Billsby's has a saw head. You say thats a shear.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on March 24, 2002, 04:08:19 PM
No, That one's Rothig Forest Products working on the Dahlgren Sale across from the Timbers Resturant on H-115 northwest of Cadillac. I think I gave the better photos of yours along with your survived skidder (the stuck in the wetlands photo on the forum) to the landowner.  

Landowners like to have photos of their land management activities, especially those that don't get to see the action first hand.

You should have some large oak to saw from the Austin Sale just purchased. I'll get some photos there.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on March 25, 2002, 02:29:13 PM
Barko 885 with sawhead thinning in oak

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/barko%20in%20oak.jpg)

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on March 26, 2002, 06:06:52 PM
Timbco T 415-D;  tracked feller buncher Thinning in red pine.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/timbcofeller.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Corley5 on March 26, 2002, 06:17:09 PM
Sidell Forest Products used a similar Timbco, maybe the same model, equipped with a saw head on an aspen, soft maple clearcut chip harvest on Grandma's a couple years ago.  Very impressive machine to watch in operation 8).  The operator kept two BIG John Deere grapple skidders busy and never waiting ;D.  
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on March 26, 2002, 06:47:05 PM
This was a new machine, just 6 months old. It was producing 25 + cords/day in the red pine. Its saw head can handle 24" oak trees. Machine is owned by Ellias Hilliard who works for ADJ Forest Products, but was working for Jason Lutke at the time, producing for Pine Tech, Inc.

It was down for awhile one day after a heavy snow storm when the encoder on the computer was acting up and it wouldn't function. Weather related I guess, but impressive.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on March 27, 2002, 07:45:07 AM
John Deere DC-70D Feller Buncher on Tracks. Older model working in red pine thinning.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/jdeerefeller.jpg)

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on March 27, 2002, 04:29:39 PM
Sawyer with Stihl Chain Saw. Thinning in red pine.

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Tom on March 27, 2002, 05:49:22 PM
I've heard snowbird farmers talking about cutting their trees in the winter like this picture shows.  Then they say they go back in the spring and cut the 10 or 12 foot butt cut.  :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on March 27, 2002, 05:59:44 PM
Tom,
That's after they shovel out the power poles and power lines.  ;)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on March 28, 2002, 06:20:08 PM
Sawyer with 2 "Huskies" harvesting Oak logs.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/chain_saw_on_red_oak.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Gordon on March 29, 2002, 07:21:20 AM
Kubota with skidding winch


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Gordon
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on March 29, 2002, 04:18:34 PM
Valmet 546 Feller-Buncher. Works well in pine.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/Valmet%20Feller-Buncher.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Frank_Pender on March 29, 2002, 07:34:27 PM
Gordon, I sure hope you don't over load the tractor for pulling. 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Gordon on March 30, 2002, 06:20:25 AM
Hay Frank, you that that Mobile Dimension mill you have could handle a log that big? :D

Little twigs like that come in handy to put in the soft areas of the skidding trails. Waste not what not.

Gordon
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Frank_Pender on March 30, 2002, 06:52:55 AM
  They work great, also for bar ditching.  :D:D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on March 30, 2002, 02:10:18 PM
Valment 546 Forwarder.
Working in a red pine thinning. A good system with the 546 Feller/Buncher of previous photo.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/Valmet%20Forwarder%20in%20Pine.jpg)

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Kevin on March 30, 2002, 02:45:41 PM
Old model Canadian Feller Forwarder Buncher Hauler Stacker Harvester

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Tom on March 30, 2002, 03:20:30 PM
I have one that looks a lot like that one, Kevin.  An older model but it still works pretty good.  I've been thinking about retiring it to the house, the new models are too quick. :-/
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on March 30, 2002, 04:59:17 PM
Kevin,

Excellent picture. It's hard to find a chain saw on some of the jobs here anymore. I sure endorse them for still doing some of the better quality work.

How about expaining some of your "colorful" clothing and its purpose, i.e. the Kevlar boots etc.  
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Jeff on March 30, 2002, 05:20:02 PM
And the Hat! Don't forget the hat!
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Kevin on March 30, 2002, 05:28:06 PM
Ron,
I wouldn`t consider operating a chainsaw without every available safety device.
I wear chainsaw protective boots, chaps, gloves and hardhat when operating any chainsaw.
I try to wear bright colored clothing so other people that I may be working with can see me from a distance.
The work as you know is dangerous enough without taking unnecessary risks.
When I get tired I quit and go back another day or put the chainsaw away and do something else.
I think if we keep informing people of the dangers involved we`ll get a few to buy the stuff and wear it.
If a few think it`s too costly, I say ... try having an accident !

Jeff, I knew you would spot that sooner or later, that was for the photo opp.  :)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: woodmills1 on March 30, 2002, 08:09:18 PM
right on with the woods work be careful info.  i go into the woods fresh and rested, wear orange hard hat and protective shirt.  no drinking the night before.  best advice might be to think and plan.  trees come down fast and hard and are not forgiving.  also if something doesn't feel safe it probably isn't.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Cedar Eater on March 30, 2002, 09:17:03 PM
Hey Kevin, I've been looking for boots that have kevlar, steel toes and paks. I can find steel-toed paks, but not with kevlar. Do they have anything like that in your neck of the woods?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Kevin on March 31, 2002, 06:13:24 AM
The boots are from Husqvarna, my local dealer stocks a pretty good supply.
These are kevlar, steel toes and paks.

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on March 31, 2002, 07:57:33 AM
Excellent Safety Tips for chain saw users from those with sawyer experience. The bright colors are life and limb savers.

Many of the chain saw dealers, especially, "Husky" handle the Kevlar rubber boots. The Forestry Suppliers Catalog also has them, the Swede Pro brand. I imagine that the other logger supply catalogs have them also. (See Forum Links)

Cedar-Eater, if your ever down this way near Ebels' Hardware Store in Falmouth, MI, they have them. They're a popular Husky dealer in this area.



  
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on April 01, 2002, 06:35:37 PM
John Deere 548 G Grapple Skidder. Tree length skidding Red Pine.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/John%20Deere%20Grapple%20Skidder,%20R.%20Pine.jpg)

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on April 02, 2002, 05:01:43 PM
John Deere Grapple Skidder. Tree length skidding hardwood pulpwood.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/John%20Deere%20Grapple%20Skidder,%20Hdwd%20Pulpwood.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on April 03, 2002, 06:05:05 PM
Timberjack Cable Skidder. Small size, skidding tree length logs and pulpwood.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/Timberjack%20Cable%20Skidder.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on April 04, 2002, 05:44:24 PM
Cable Skidder, Older model, home built.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/Anitique%20Cable%20Skidder.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Jeff on April 04, 2002, 06:20:38 PM
Pig with an Axe
Young pig, around 200 lbs.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/pigchop1.jpg)


(Sorry Ron, couldn't resist :D )

THIS PIG DOES NOT COUNT TOWARDS CONTEST!
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Jeff on April 04, 2002, 06:28:25 PM
Another Pig  Trimming stump height to please the consulting forester.

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THIS PIG DOES NOT COUNT TOWARDS CONTEST!
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on April 05, 2002, 03:00:58 PM
A good ending to this Thread as it dies for lack of interest!  :'(
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Corley5 on April 05, 2002, 03:21:14 PM
It's not dead yet.  What's that homemade rig built out of?  It looks good.  Sombody put a lot of time into it.  That Timberjack looks to be from a distance the same model I've been running for the last two winters.  Works great in hardwoods.  The guys who own it have sold it and it goes down the road Monday :(.  Glad I'm almost done with it.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: DanG on April 05, 2002, 03:26:51 PM
You losing interest, Ron? I'm not! 568 reads says somebody's interested. Would be nice if someone else would chip in a pic or 2, though.  Thanks for the ride.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: J_T on April 05, 2002, 07:23:05 PM
Hey Ron Got any more info on that or another home built skidder?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Paul_H on April 05, 2002, 08:01:39 PM
I hope there is a picture here of a Skyhook used in my area in the 1950s. It had dual 2" skylines,and 7/8" traction lines,with a 300' dropline underneath.It was suspended across a steep valley.(notice the operator hunched over)

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Steve on April 05, 2002, 09:10:51 PM
I just had to pipe in here with a great book. Handloggers by W. H. Jackson. I've only been able to find it as a collectors item for big dollars, but if you get a chance to read it, do. It takes place in S.E. Alaska in the 50's and 60's. The technique at the time was to find a nice stand of timber that was growing on a steep hillside above saltwater and either fall the timber directly into the water or slide it down the steep slope into the water. Often the tree would hang up and he would have to jack it loose so it could continue on its way.
He and his wife would live on their little troller (boat) and raft up logs until the order was filled, then tow it to town.

Steve
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Paul_H on April 05, 2002, 09:21:13 PM
Steve,I read that book several years ago.I really enjoyed it.That independence,and the chance to make a few buck in the process is appealling.I wonder what would happen if we fell trees directly into fish habitat these days? ::)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Bud Man on April 05, 2002, 09:32:56 PM
I spect you'd be wearing stripes and looking out small windows !!     :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on April 06, 2002, 11:40:41 AM
I don't know just exactly what this cable skidder was all made from. Just bits and pieces from his home junk yard.

He was a firewood producer who came in to cut firewood and clean up the topwood after a sawlog job. The skidder was just able to handle the lighter topwood. It was a little under powered for bigger stuff. It was a conversation piece when compared to the fancy Timber Jacks etc.

This person was the type who just made everything from junk parts, his wood splitter, haul truck etc were all home built as needed. He had to pour oil into the wood splitter engine while he split wood; quite an operation, but not environmentally sound.

He bought an old big Ford Crown Victoria from the landowner who had it parked in his "bone yard" back in the woods for a number of years. He paid $25.00 for it. I didn't think that it would ever run and asked him what he was going to do with it.

The next day he was driving it around the woods to his firewood operation. He was more of an inventor than a firewood producer as things seemed to run without all the parts.

 
(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/Antique%20Skidder,%20Home%20Built.jpg)


Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: psychotic1 on April 06, 2002, 05:12:10 PM
Don't even think those sorts of things :o
Now I'm gonna have to look over my shoulder for weeks to be sure the envir-cops and the forest service aren't following me.  The get downright snippy if they catch you rolling a beach log back into the water.  And that's one that's already been in the water for awhile.  I've seen people get fined for walking too close to a "salmon stream" that hadn't had any fish in it for twenty years.
It was fun while it lasted.  But now Alaska is closed except for tourism.  And I here the "tree-huggers" will be starting on that next.  The smoke from the cruise ships is causing air pollution don't you know.

Bruce
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Paul_H on April 06, 2002, 09:17:48 PM
Here are a couple of pictures taken spring 1993,near Pemberton B.C. They are of my dads two brothers,Harold,and Thor. Harold (with his back turned) started falling with axe and misery whip in 1950,with his dad.He said if it wasn't for power saws coming shortly after,he would be doing something else.He quit falling fulltime at 64. (https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/t&h.jpg)




Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Paul_H on April 06, 2002, 09:27:33 PM
This is Thor.He was 58 in 1993.He was a skilled and highball faller.In July that year a pine snag came down as he was falling a D-Fir and broke his lower back.We packed him out on a spine board,and he was air lifted out on a chopper.He never fell again,but is healthy and fishing now  8)

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/thor.jpg)




Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Paul_H on April 06, 2002, 09:32:04 PM
Fir stand in Pemberton

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on April 07, 2002, 08:39:17 AM
Now we're getting into some of the "bigger" timber from other forest areas.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on April 07, 2002, 02:08:32 PM
Iron Mule 501 C Forwarder. An old standby for short wood logging. Unit is carrying out aspen and red maple pulpwood to landing.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/Iron%20Mule%20&%20Pulpwood.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Steve on April 07, 2002, 03:20:04 PM
Seeing the picture of the forwarder reminded me of this couple of pages of pictures I had. Ohia logging and milling the south end of the Big Island.

http://www.curlykoa.com/webpics2/Ohia.html


Steve
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on April 07, 2002, 07:21:52 PM
Iron Mule Forwarder. Carrying sugar (hard) maple sawlogs to the landing.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/Iron%20Mule%20&%20Sawlogs.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Tom on April 07, 2002, 08:26:57 PM
Shortwood Pulp truck used for years to support families on tops, tailings and Urban wood until the big companies saw fit to favor long wood loads.  This is an indangered industry in the south.
(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/pulpwoodtrk01.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Corley5 on April 07, 2002, 09:10:44 PM
Alot of people around here used to cut bolt wood/pallet wood.  There were two mills that sawed only short stuff.  There both closed now.  There were lots of rough looking old trucks on the roads.  That was also when the weighmasters were friendlier :)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Paul_H on April 07, 2002, 09:10:51 PM
Tom,That was interesting.What species was on the truck? What would be the value of that load? I hate to see the end of an era,where a guy can make a buck with what is on hand,and a little perseverance.Anymore on the subject would be welcome.

 Paul
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Tom on April 07, 2002, 09:46:22 PM
Paul,
That load is pine.  Eddy said he was getting $25 per ton and his load will be about five tons.  Most of the pine grown in plantations here is longleaf, Slash and Loblolly.  Pond Pine (pocosin or black pine) is common and used for pulp but not grown commercially.  These trucks generally carried wood that was left by the big loggers and filled a niche by picking up Urban woods (Oak, Pine or various trees that Arborist need to have disposed).

This gentlemn is a 74+ year old preacher who carries 4 to 6 loads a week to stay out of trouble.  The wood is usually free for the asking and is sold for $75 to $250, dependent upon species and market,.  per load.  It is purchased by the ton.  It takes him about 2 1/2 or 3 hours to create a load by himself.  

I get wood from the county.  Some I saw, some is not good for anything I want to do.  I give the wood to Eddy, the pulpwooder,  just to get it out of the yard.  He knows that when wood is scarce, he can pick up a load or fill out a load at my place.  He also follows a couple of Arborist around and removes their wood.

The biggest detriment to this work is the independence of the big pulpwood companies. they will buy shortwood only one or two days a week and will go sometimes for weeks refusing to buy any at all.  The shortwood haulers used to be welcomed and let into the log yard ahead of the big trucks so they could unload and return for more.  Now I understand they have to wait in line with all the rest of the haulers and it limits them to one or perhaps two loads a day at best.  

Fewer and fewer of these operators can be found today.  Most are selling to an intermediate log yard for a small portion of what they could get at the mill.  The intermediate yard owner holds the wood until the market opens and carries the wood to the mill on big trucks.

Many of the pulp mills are recycling paper.  They get their pulp from boxes etc and  seldom buy logs at all.  

The sawmills are/were owned by the pulp industry.  Lumber was considered a byproduct of making paper rather than the other way around.  Now the sawmills are being recognized for providing the pulp companies with a good portion of their bottom line.  Chip 'n Saws are making lumber and providing clean chips to the pulp mills. Short wood has little market here any more.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on April 08, 2002, 03:06:52 PM
Iron Mule Forwarder. Loading out shortwood. These small forwarders are becoming a thing of the past and hard to find. I still like to see their use as they are good for "light on the land" timber harvesting which most small private landowners want.

One small producer still has two of them. He runs one and his wife the other. They do some of the best work in quality hardwood jobs.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/Iron%20Mule%20Loading%20Pulpwood.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Cedar Eater on April 08, 2002, 03:39:11 PM
Keep these pictures coming Ron and everyone. It's not only interesting, but educational for me to see these machines in action. It looks like I might be having a sawtimber harvest followed by a pulp harvest later this year, so I'm extra curious.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on April 08, 2002, 07:40:57 PM
Timberjack 230A Forwarder. Working short wood in a hardwood selection harvest.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/Timberjack%20230A%20Forwarder.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Paul_H on April 08, 2002, 10:40:15 PM
Ron, A question.What would have been used 40-50 years ago, to log in these same areas? I am not familiar with this type of logging,and it's quite interesting.Would small Cats(D3-D-4) have been used?
What was used to load? Gin pole maybe?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Paul_H on April 08, 2002, 11:20:58 PM
This old Mac was still hauling in Oregon,1995.It was hauling out of a skyline thinning show  (https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/truck.jpg)


Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on April 09, 2002, 12:31:26 PM
Yes the small to medium sized crawlers were the primary use machines during that period. They were in the process of replacing horses back then They were versatile over much of the varied terrain and an all purpose machine for road buiding, snow plowing, skidding, forwarding, etc. They were slow in production however, especially for high volumes of production needed to feed the pulpwood mills coming on line. They were also harder on the landscape (people were more respectful of the loggers work methods back then).

Some crawlers were equiped with loading booms, or front loaders. "Gin poles", spars, and "A" frames were also set up at primarly landings to load trucks as were some labor intensive hand methods of "hand roll and lift platforms".

The boon to loading was the development of the Prentice loader in the 1960's. This hydraulic loader was developed by Leo Heikkinen in Wisconsin, and helped revolutionize log loading.
 
Rubber tired and flexible frame skidding units were being developed, but it took  and adjustment to change period and awhile to perfect a rubber tire that would hold up to the woods abuse, not puncture, etc.

The Gafner Iron Mule as those previously pictured was first built in 1957. They went through several improved models and was one of the most successful pulpwood forwarders ever made. They're still a favorite of mine.

Those western trucks log trucks are monsters. Appreciate your photo. I'll get into a truck series from this part of the country later. I need to get some more photos as I've given many of my best ones away to the owners, drivers, landowners, fellers, operators,etc.



Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on April 09, 2002, 03:05:09 PM
Timberjack 230C Forwarder. Working short wood in northern hardwood thinning.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/Timberjack%20230C%20Forwarder.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Paul_H on April 09, 2002, 11:55:54 PM
I am enjoying learning about the logging methods out there. I can see how it would shine on the valley floor here.We have a mix of Birch,Alder,Cottonwood,and wild Cherry.

Here are a few old pictures from the area. This one is another view of the Skyhook,used in Squamish B.C. in the 1950s.The box beneath is carrying the fallers. :oJoe Seymour was the rigger on the Skyhook.He is now 74,and driving our off highway log truck,with no plans to retire in the near future!(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/skyhook.jpg)



Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Paul_H on April 10, 2002, 12:04:27 AM
This one is of moving a steam donkey.All done with block purchase and bullwork.Also a lot of brainpower.Its just cresting the rise.(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/steampot1.jpg)




Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Paul_H on April 10, 2002, 12:08:47 AM
And there she is.Then it starts all over again,moving blocks,pulling line.....


     ...(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/steampot2.jpg)


Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on April 10, 2002, 05:43:14 PM
Timberjack 230 C Forwarder, older model. Working aspen sawlogs and pulpwood. Aspen removal in hardwood selection harvest.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/Timberjack%20230C%20Forwarder,%20older%20model.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on April 11, 2002, 03:53:57 PM
Hydo-Axe Feller Buncher Saw Head Working red pine site clearing.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/Hydro-Axe%20Saw%20Head.jpg)

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Paul_H on April 11, 2002, 08:19:56 PM
Moving a 1010 Lawrence on a sleigh.The 1010 had a 6 cyl  flathead Chrysler gas engine.Built in the 1940s,it was a small two drum winch,with a strawline drum.Perfect for the little gypo loggers on the coast
 (https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/1010.jpg)

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Paul_H on April 11, 2002, 08:27:24 PM
Ron, this little A frame loading poles would be similar to the type you metioned before,wouldn't it?This picture was taken in 1938,Squamish B.C        (https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/loading.jpg)

The pole isn't bent,it was a small picture and my scanner didn't like it.





Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on April 12, 2002, 07:06:08 PM
Some good logging history photos. Yes that would be an "A Frame" loader type from the old logging days; "where there was a will, there was a way". Some interesting methods used, even with "real horsepower".
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on April 12, 2002, 07:17:12 PM
John Deere DC70D Feller Buncher Tracked unit; previous photos show it at work. Now ready to leave the job for another area.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/J.%20Deere%20Flr.Bcr.%20on%20Tracks.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on April 13, 2002, 09:27:55 AM
"Husky" Chainsaw on  Hard Maple sawlogs. A reliable method.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/Husky%20Chainsaw%20on%20H.%20Maple.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on April 14, 2002, 09:50:40 AM
Two Loads of Sawlogs. Log haulers out of the woods and parked to tighten down their binders for the highway haul to the mill.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/Two%20Log%20Haulers.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Paul_H on April 14, 2002, 10:52:15 AM
Ron, nice shots of the Kenworths. Where are they going,sawmill,or sorting yard?Looks like nice wood to me.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: TJACK on April 14, 2002, 06:05:22 PM
Ron,

What size of Husky are they using for felling and bucking?

TJACK
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on April 14, 2002, 07:12:59 PM
Yes these were some of our better sawlogs. These logs are going directly to Quality Sawlog's Mill in Sunfield, Michigan. They were the direct buyer of this selectively marked northern hardwoods timber sale.

Most of the Husky saws used on the  hardwood sawlog harvests are the Heavy Duty Professional model 385 XP. Most cutters have two of them on the job, though one of the back up saws might be a lighter or older model, especially for use on the smaller size pulpwood. All the saws are usually the Pro series models.

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on April 14, 2002, 07:24:54 PM
Hauling Log Load out of Woods. Autocar with over cab loader and "pup" trailer.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/Hauling%20Log%20Load%20Out.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Frank_Pender on April 14, 2002, 08:31:44 PM
NOW, that is a Whack of logs! ;)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on April 15, 2002, 06:59:57 PM
Log Load Out of the Woods. Load binder tightening time on county road before trip to the mill. Autocar with over cab loader and "pup" trailer. Loaded with mixed oak logs.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/Log%20Load%20Out%20of%20the%20Woods.jpg)


Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: woodmills1 on April 15, 2002, 08:06:14 PM
that aint no pup trailer with that whack loaded its a full grown log dog :D :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on April 16, 2002, 06:06:28 PM
Total Tree Processor. Processing red pine landscape timbers and pulpwood.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/Total%20Tree%20Proccessor%20on%20red%20pine.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on April 17, 2002, 05:14:01 PM
Morbark Chipper. Chipping oak tops and loading chip van for trip to cogeneration plant.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/Mobark%20Chipper.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Paul_H on April 17, 2002, 11:49:01 PM
Ron,have you been around chippers much? The Enviroment Ministry has been talking about phasing out burning debris piles.We have done a little digging on prices for tub grinders,but they are way up there in price.That one looks a little more in line with our waste size.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on April 18, 2002, 07:25:37 AM
Chipper Being Set Up. Another similar Chipper being set up at landing to begin chipping tops from sawlog & pulpwood timber harvest.

There are various commercial size chippers from small to large. The tree and utility companies use a small size and those in the log and pulpwood chipping business use the medium and larger sizes for production and handling of the larger wood sizes.

I'm not overly familiar with all of them, best to check your specific needs with the various equipment outlets.  

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/Wood%20Chipper%20Set%20Up.jpg)
 


Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on April 19, 2002, 06:01:51 PM
Hydro-Axe 411E. Proctor Logging, Inc. producing Oak & Aspen sawlogs and pulpwood for Billsby Lumber Company, Inc.


(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/Hydro-Axe%20411E.jpg)



Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on April 20, 2002, 07:59:02 PM
Sawyer Cutting Oak Logs. Cutting with Model 2095 Jonsered chainsaw.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/Sawyer%20Cutting%20Oak%20Logs.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on April 21, 2002, 05:07:15 PM
Timberjack 230A Forwarder. On hardwood selection harvest, short wood operation.


(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/Timberjack%20230%20A%20Forwarder%20parked.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on April 22, 2002, 06:21:01 PM
Timberjack 230A Forwarder Decking Pulpwood. Woods landing where forwarder operator separates and decks species and products.

 (https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/Timberjack%20230A%20Forwarder%20Decking%20Pulpwood.jpg)

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on April 23, 2002, 10:54:26 AM
Timberjack 230A Forwarder. Operator sorting oak, maple, and aspen sawlogs at landing.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/Timberjack%20230A%20Forwarder%20Decking%20Sawlogs.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on April 29, 2002, 03:37:11 PM
John Deere De-Limber & Slasher Processing & Kenworth Hauler Loading Out Red Pine Landscaping Timber.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/Red%20Pine%20Landscape%20Timber%20Harvest.jpg)

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on April 30, 2002, 07:28:13 PM
John Deere De-Limber. Working tree length red pine, first thinning.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/John%20Deere%20De-Limber.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Bibbyman on April 30, 2002, 08:16:09 PM

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/FarmiBelarus.JPG)
Heavy Belarus with Farmi skidder.  160 feet of 5/8 cable gets them out of hills and hollers.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 01, 2002, 02:33:17 PM
Red Pine Cabin Logs. Some "60 footers" loading out on the Kenworth to Natural Log Homes. Log Homes built by the Amish. Watch for theses logs in another thread.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/Red%20Pine%20Cabin%20Logs%20Loading%20Out.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: DanG on May 01, 2002, 03:15:57 PM
Wow! I'd hate to hafta buy a set of tires for that thing! :o

How are those logs treated before building a house from them?  Do they kiln dry them or use any kind of preservative?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: L. Wakefield on May 01, 2002, 07:41:13 PM

QuoteRed Pine Cabin Logs. Some "60 footers" loading out on the Kenworth to Natural Log Homes. Log Homes built by the Amish. Watch for theses logs in another thread.

   Whooeee! What a gorgeous load! Where from, what species, how d'ya grow them suckas to be that pretty!? :o   lw
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Jeff on May 01, 2002, 08:12:12 PM
DanG, thats a baby trailor its only got 6 axles. Heres a pic of our 48 foot 8 axle with a long days work on board. 30,000 feet of Aspen.

(https://forestryforum.com/board/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.timberbuyer.net%2Fmembers%2Fimages%2Fbillsby.gif&hash=24d3374aa758c64802d642f5a7723180f3f05af5)

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Kevin on May 01, 2002, 08:20:28 PM
Jeff,
We hitch a team of those little trucks up to one of our Canadian logging trucks just to get it roll`n.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 01, 2002, 08:24:32 PM
These are red pine logs from a sale I selective marked and sold for the landowner. The sale was purchased by the Amish (Natural Log Homes) who are quite experienced in building log homes. They knew where each log was going to go by size before the trees were cut.

They just de-bark them with pressured water and build the home on the mill site to be sure it all fits together. They mark the logs, take the log home down, transport the pieces to the buyer and then re-erect it on their site piece by piece for the final home. I don't know if any special preservative is used just maybe some clear oil after air drying.

The trees were harvested near Mesick, Michigan just 22 miles from Cadillac, Michigan. The Amish had a timber producer harvest the trees and transport them. They had to get one of the larger trucks in the area to haul the long lengths.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 02, 2002, 07:29:49 PM
Cabin Logs Being De-Barked. The red pine cabin logs are being debarked by the Amish non-motorized method. High pressure water spray.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/Cabin%20Logs%20Being%20De-Barked.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 03, 2002, 06:58:25 PM
The Red Pine Product. Log Home Being Constructed by Amish Home Builders.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/Red%20Pine%20Product.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Tom on May 05, 2002, 06:23:36 PM
Timber Jack skidder loading the saw deck of a portable sawmill with longleaf pine logs.
(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/timberjack460.jpg)

Then we found the Hitachi track hoe was a lot easier.
(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/hitachihoe01.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Jeff on May 05, 2002, 06:35:27 PM
Hey whats that blue thing?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 05, 2002, 07:49:16 PM
Timberjack 360 Grapple Skidder. Identical Timberjack Skidder Used  to drag tops for chipping on recent clear-cut operation in Lower Michigan.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/Timberjack%20360%20Grapple%20Skidder.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 07, 2002, 06:44:28 PM
Timberjack 230A Forwarder. Sorting Oak Logs for Billsby Sawmill.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/Timberjack%20230A%20Forwarder%20Sorting%20Oak%20Logs.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 08, 2002, 07:04:40 PM
Timberjack 230A Forwarder. Decking Aspen.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/Timberjack%20230%20A%20Forwarder%20Decking%20Aspen.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 09, 2002, 08:14:55 AM
Timberjack 230A Forwarder Assisting Sawyer. Falling trees in a sensitive roadside area may require teamwork.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/Timberjack%20230A%20Forwarder%20Assist%20Sawyer.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 11, 2002, 06:00:04 PM
Timberjack 230A Forwarder Insures Fall Direction

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/Timberjack%20230A%20Forwarder%20Insures%20Fall%20Direction.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 12, 2002, 12:20:41 PM
John Deere 750 BLT Crawler. Clearing access road and landing for site clearing timber sale. Clearing site for new Clam Lake Township Administrative site. Red pine and hardwoods removal.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/John%20Deere%20750%20BLT%20Crawler.jpg)



Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 13, 2002, 07:08:47 PM
John Deere 750 BLT Crawler. Working the landing for incoming haulers. Note all wood products being utilized including topwood ready for chipping.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/John%20Deere%20750%20BLT%20Crawler%20Working%20Landing.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 14, 2002, 04:11:04 PM
Hydro-Ax 511E. Working a site clearing timber harvest.


(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/Hydro-Ax%20511%20E.jpg)


Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 14, 2002, 06:27:26 PM
John Deere 548 G Grapple Skidder. For tree length skidding on site clearing timber harvest.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/John%20Deere%20548%20G%20Grapple%20Skidder.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 15, 2002, 07:54:11 PM
John Deere 548 G Grapple Skidder. Skidding Tree Lengths to the Landing.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/John%20Deere%20548%20G%20Grapple%20Skidding%20Tree%20Length.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 16, 2002, 06:27:43 PM
John Deere 548 G Grapple Skidder & Operator. The operator carries a "Husky" chainsaw for top trimming tree lengths as necessary enroute to the Processor at the landing.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/John%20Deere%20548%20G%20Grapple%20Skidder%20&%20Operator.jpg)

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 17, 2002, 06:58:31 PM
Serco 170-A Processor. Processes total tree lengths into the various forest products.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/Serco170-AProcessor.jpg)

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Paul_H on May 17, 2002, 11:11:01 PM
Ron, is that a cut off saw buried under the brush?I can't tell if it's attached to the loader or part of it.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 18, 2002, 07:27:53 AM
Paul_H

Yes, that's a cut-off saw cutting off various products up to a 4" top. It's an all one unit processor trailered in to the work site.

The clam loader picks up the wood in tree length, lays it down for the cut-off saw to process the various length products to a 4" top and then picks it up to be placed in the product pile, sawlogs, bolts, pulpwood etc. Whatever is being markedted at the time.

The clam loader then picks up the remaining top wood and places it in a seperate pile for later chipping.

The wood chips are then blown into a chip-van and hauled to the local cogen plant for wood fuel.

This is a total wood utilization operation.

See following photo also.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 18, 2002, 07:38:29 AM
Serco 170-A Processor & Cut-Off Saw

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/Serco%20170-A%20Processor%20&%20Cut-Off%20Saw.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 18, 2002, 08:37:07 PM
Trelan 23L Chipper. Bringing the Chipper in.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/chipperbroughtin,trelan23L.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 19, 2002, 08:28:47 AM
Timberjack Skidder Assists the Chipper. The skidders are often used as "pushers" when needed.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/timberjackskidderassistschipper.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 19, 2002, 04:54:26 PM
Trelan 23L Chipper. Getting set in place for the chipping operation.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/treelan23Lchipper.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 21, 2002, 08:01:56 PM
Trelan 23L Wood Chipper. Getting ready to chip red pine tops piled from processing operation.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/trelan23Lchipper.jpg)


Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Paul_H on May 21, 2002, 09:00:24 PM
Ron,
Do you carry a video camera?Any chance to see it as "sawmills in action"?It looks like a real tree eater!
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 22, 2002, 06:19:15 PM
No I don't have a video camera. I just carry a simple Ricoh 35 mm with 400 film and a $25.00 backup Kodak when that fails. I'm not too high tech.

That Chipper does eat up the trees and spits them out.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 22, 2002, 06:41:22 PM
Trelan 23L Chipper Blowing Chips. Some excess chips at the end of the operation are blown out to mulch and stabilize the landing before closure.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/trelan23Lchipperblowingchips.jpg)


Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 23, 2002, 07:18:03 AM
Kenworth & "Pup". Loading out pulpwood from the landing.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/kenworth&pup.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 23, 2002, 07:22:54 PM
Kenworth Starting to Roll. Loaded with pulpwood.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/kenworthstartstoroll.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 24, 2002, 10:59:12 AM
Kenworth Under-way. Headed for the mill with load of hardwood pulp.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/kenworthunder-way.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Tom on May 24, 2002, 11:11:36 AM
Y'all must have a tremendous used tire problem up there.  Lordy, look at all those axles.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 24, 2002, 04:02:47 PM
They do keep the tire shops in business and we do have a used tire problem. The cogeneration plants fueled by wood chips are now seeking permits from DEQ to burn tires in a mixture with the wood chips. Expensive scrubbers are required on their stacks however to eliminate the sulfides etc. That's the political debate right now.

This producer whose truck is pictured has seven such semi's and an equal number of chip vans and he has another new semi on order. Just think of his tire bills alone. I remember when he started with a chain saw and old iron-mule forwarder on one of my first jobs. He is one that has done well.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 26, 2002, 11:12:45 AM
Sawmill Loading Out Excess Sawdust. A mill's sawdust may also find a market for increased wood utilization.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/sawdustloading.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Jeff on May 26, 2002, 11:37:52 AM
Rons' picture of the sawdust loading reminded me of a question that I hear all the Time. What do you guys do with your waste?

I say there is no waste in our mill. Everything is utilized. The Bark is shredded and used for Mulch and Landscaping.

The Sawdust is used for animal bedding, or trucked to co generation plants to be burned and converted to energy. The slabs are chipped and find thier way to a multitude of companies that process them into other products.

Every spec of every Log that comes into our mill is fully used.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 26, 2002, 02:34:10 PM
Jeff,

Maybe you can get some pictures of such waste product uses at your mill for posting. Where does the "waste" go?What happens to chips and sawdust is an often asked question, thus the reason I put that picture in. That one was taken at Nelson's Sawmill near Bristol, MI.  
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Jeff on May 26, 2002, 03:12:37 PM
Sawmill by-product

Shredded bark. This is just the way it comes off of the log using our Morbark Debarker. This bark may find its way to almost any part of our state for lanscaping or mulch. Some customers purchase the bark then regrind adding color which makes it last longer. I like it natural, but then again if mine gets to looking old I know where the big pile is.  ;)
(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/shreddedbark.jpg)
THIS PIG WAS FOUND BY FURBY

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Wenrich on May 27, 2002, 04:08:20 AM
Bark in our area only gets used if it is aged.  They want that dark brown color.  Most bark is double ground, and very little gets dyed.

Our wood chips are also turned into mulch.  We don't do it, but another outfit buys chips to shred.  There are also guys who shred old pallets.  This is profitable since they charge to take the pallets away, and it is cheaper than tipping fees at landfills.  Wood mulch can be aged or dyed.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 27, 2002, 07:19:41 PM
Red Pine Thinning. Red pine thinning area after last winter's work with the Timbco T415D tracked feller buncher seen in previous photos.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/redpinethinning.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Jeff on May 27, 2002, 07:41:40 PM
Ron, around here they fight over the bark and the sawdust. All we have to do is keep track of whos checks are good. Sorry Kevin "Cheques" :)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Frank_Pender on May 27, 2002, 09:05:27 PM
I have sure appreciated this series.  I have found it to be better than a Sears Catalog on a rainy day. :P 8) 8)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 28, 2002, 06:26:49 AM
Thanks for the complement. I didn't know if there would be much interest when I started it. We need some logging photos from other parts of the country also to see how things are done else where.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 28, 2002, 06:36:18 PM
Red Pine Thinning. The first thinning just starting with hand cutter. The slash and woody debris will be left on site to go back into the soil.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/redpinethinning,ameliajaynesale.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 29, 2002, 07:19:24 PM
Gafner 5110-Iron Mule. This will be the forwarder used on the short-wood red pine sale.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/gafner5110-ironmule.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 31, 2002, 01:28:14 PM
John Deere DC70D Feller-Buncher. Completed its work, being "loaded out" upon completion and closure of timber harvest area.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/johndeereDC70Dfeller-buncher.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 31, 2002, 07:14:41 PM
John Deere 450G Crawler. There is often work to do after the timber harvest. One such task is to clean, grade, level, and seed the landings.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/johndeere450Gcrawler.jpg)

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on June 02, 2002, 08:09:01 AM
Handwork. Handwork is sometimes needed for the finishing touch, especially where the landing access joins the County road.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/handwork.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on June 03, 2002, 03:40:12 PM
Log Landing Becomes Wildlife Opening. The landing is seeded with a wildlife seed mixture to be maintained as a wildlife opening until the next harvest in 8-10 years.


(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/landingbecomeswildlifeopening.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on June 04, 2002, 02:35:29 PM
Hagar the Horrible. The tree fights back.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/hagarthehorrible.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on June 05, 2002, 07:59:08 AM
John Deere 450G Crawler. The "clean up" dozer. Access roads and connecting skid trails often need to be closed to prevent unwanted motortized vehicle access on the property after the timber harvest is completed.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/johndeere450Gclosing%20road.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on June 06, 2002, 08:39:38 PM
The Living Forest.  "Good Forest Management"  may merit a sign.


(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/thelivingforestsign.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Corley5 on June 06, 2002, 08:45:58 PM
How do get one of those signs?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on June 07, 2002, 08:12:11 AM
From the Michigan Resource Alliance, if they still have them. I got some from Eva Rice when the MFRA Office was in the UP at Crystal Falls.

I don't know where they're at now. Maybe Jeff knows or can round up a sign for you. Let me know if you locate any? Some landowners really like them as they publicize Sustainable Forestry and are good PR.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on June 07, 2002, 06:00:15 PM
Red Pine Thinning. There is still hand work to be done on small jobs and/or sensitive areas.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/redpinethinninghandwork.jpg)

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Paul_H on June 09, 2002, 09:29:07 AM
(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/KW.jpg)


Unloading bush truck at dry sort.
The driver,Joe Seymour, is in his early 70's,with no plans to retire anytime soon.He was the Hook& Rigger that set up the Skyhook in the early 1950's.

My brother Don is running the loader.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Jeff on June 09, 2002, 09:40:33 AM
Hey guys, try making your pictures 300 to 350 pixels wide before optimizing. that way they are big enough to see, but still small enough to optimize and retain quality for the 15k limit.

I must be getting old, I cant hardly see em. :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Paul_H on June 09, 2002, 10:22:50 AM
(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/kw2.jpg)

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Jeff on June 09, 2002, 10:48:32 AM
Cool pics guys. Whil I am at it, here is a tip that will help prevent future problems and a good rule of thumb when dealing with picture files for the internet, or anywhere for that matter.

When naming a file NEVER EVER use capital letters, spaces, or special charactors. They will give a web server fits.

example Mypicture #4.jpg  this breaks all 3 rules, and any one of them could or would cause a problem. The one special character that can be used without trouble is the underscore. Here is the way I would name this file.

my_picture4.jpg  or simply mypicture4.jpg

The uder score lest you make a discriptive name that is good for our gallery when trying to find the picture again.

Example: kevins_big_orange_mill.jpg is easier to find later then kevinsbigorangemill.jpg  and if you used Kevins big orange mill.jpg, you might never find it!
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Paul_H on June 09, 2002, 11:57:49 AM
Jeff,is that why my picture showed up as an empty box at first?KW #2 should have been kw_log_truck2 or similar?

Also, I was using the Optimiser the hard way,not the right way.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Jeff on June 09, 2002, 12:09:09 PM
Yup, sure is. I went in and changed the file name and then fixed your post. Thats why you see it now. Yes, that file name would work well. Discriptive and won't make a webserver hic-up. :)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Paul_H on June 09, 2002, 04:34:37 PM
(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/drysort.jpg)
View of drysort from millsite.


(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/md_3.jpg)

Steve,offbearer for the Mobile Dimension.The fir log on the mill,would only fetch pulp price,so it was milled into 7"x10"x 20' planks for RR.Some beautiful clear edge grain came of as well.We are hoping to mill more of our logs,but this is a trial run.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Paul_H on June 09, 2002, 04:49:05 PM
One of the sort machines (966C Cat) helping out the 763 Bobcat.
The logs in the sort are bush hauled in from different blocks.As far away as 30 miles,average 15-20 miles.The off-highway truck hauls 60-70 m3.The logs are sorted by grade&species,then shipped out on hwy.trucks 2 1/2 hour to the water.More and more of our logs are also heading over the pass to the interior mills.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/md_2.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Corley5 on June 09, 2002, 08:58:04 PM
That's quite a log 8)  Why only pulp price?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Paul_H on June 09, 2002, 09:45:31 PM
Greg,
It was "rough" because it grew next to a large slide tract.Being in the open,it had some pretty large limbs.It was too big at 52" inside bark,for our standard sawlog sort,And too rough for our premium oversize.There aren't to many mills aroud here that can take,or want the big ones. :-/

It was somewhere between 260-300 years old.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on June 11, 2002, 07:05:33 PM
Red Pine Thinning. First thinning of red pine next to a golf course.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/red_pine_thinning.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Paul_H on June 11, 2002, 08:16:52 PM
Thats a nice looking stand.Are there many markets for the logs,finger joint,etc? The  Forest service in our district,are starting to put up similar,D-Fir,Western Hemlock timber sales.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on June 12, 2002, 11:08:34 AM
Roadside Loading Red Pine. Yes, there are good markets for red pine in this area. Depending upon size, it is marketed for utility poles, cabin logs, sawlogs, saw bolts, landscape timbers, fence posts, pulpwood, etc.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/redpine_roadside_loading.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on June 27, 2002, 06:31:19 PM
Hydro-Ax 321. The smaller three wheeled unit for light, close work.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/hydro_ax_321.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Bro. Noble on June 28, 2002, 12:20:23 AM
We have considered such an outfit as this or the three wheeled BELL harvestor.  We only log our own timber so wonder if we can justify one.  We have about 400 acres of mixed timber---mostly on steep hillsides and about 100 acres of planted yellow pine.

We see used ones advertised as low as $10,000---$30,000.  What's the chance of getting one in that price range that would be worthwhile for us.  Would we just be begging for trouble?

If you use the shear heads., how much of the butt is damaged?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on June 28, 2002, 07:44:57 PM
I wouldn't use this unit on steep hill sides. It works best on flat terrain. A shear head may damage a foot or so of the butt depending upon the operator, shear maintenance, and tree species.

They are "pricey". Check the maintenane records and demo it when buying a used one. There are some good buys if one shops around a bit.

I believe this unit is for sale. It is located up in Michigan's western Upper Peninsula at Iron River, MI.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on June 28, 2002, 08:18:46 PM
On the Road. "Highballing" on the  US 27 freeway with pine pulpwood load for the mill.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/on_the_road_US27.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Paul_H on June 28, 2002, 08:26:04 PM
How are the trucks unloaded? It looks like both trucks have a space between front and back.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on June 29, 2002, 07:27:21 AM
Truck Loader/Unloader. Located at rear of most semi's main bed. Center position allows loading/unloading of truck and its "pup".

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/truck_self_loader_unloader.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Steve on June 29, 2002, 08:01:20 AM
How long does it take to unload a truck and pup trailer like that?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on July 01, 2002, 08:29:44 AM
Loading Time for truck and "pup" for the average operator is about 1 hour.

Unloading Time at the mill is about 20 minutes.

Mill will often unload you with its yard unloading equipment, but if there is a line-up of semis to be unloaded, they will let you go ahead and unload yourself. An advantage of such a "rig".

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on July 01, 2002, 03:09:45 PM
On the Road. Drive defensively. Watch for those small vehicles on the "blind" side.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/ontheroad_motorcycle.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on July 02, 2002, 09:32:07 AM
Red Pine, 1st Thinning. A 3rd row removal. Short wood operation with chain saw. Slash looped and scattered.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/redpine_thirdrow-thinning.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on July 10, 2002, 07:39:08 PM
Red Pine, 1st Thinning. The Iron Mule forwarder picks up the harvest wood along the thinned rows and runs over the remaining slash for aethetics and decay back into the soil.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/redpine_1stthinning_ironmule.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on July 18, 2002, 07:47:49 PM
Railroad Transportation. Wood products are also transported by rail. Hardwood pulpwood has been loaded into rail cars at the Gulliver Siding in Michigan's Upper Peninsula.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/railroad_transportation.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on July 22, 2002, 03:53:05 PM
Timberjack 380C Grapple Skidder. On lowboy transport; being delivered to hardwood timber sale for road closure work.

 (https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/timberjack380c_grapple_skidder.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on July 24, 2002, 07:37:31 AM
Timberjack 380C Grapple Skidder. Lifts large oak log to set in place for road closure. Access roads often need to be closed after the timber harvest.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/timberjack_380C_lifts_log.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on July 25, 2002, 12:53:22 PM
Timberjack 380 Grapple Skidder. Placing the second large oak log for closure of timber harvest access road.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/timberjack380_grapple_skidder_oak_log.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Tom on July 25, 2002, 03:18:24 PM
There is a piece of "abandoned" property next door to me where folks have found a place to have pot parties etc.  I put a live oak log as big or bigger than those logs in the picture above,  across the road and it butted from tree to tree on either side.  It was a strain on my 555 backhoe but I got it in place    Ju-u-s-s-s-t right.

The scoundrels moved it that night.  From the tracks they had used a pickup truck. :-/ >:( :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on July 25, 2002, 06:15:00 PM
Tom,

Road closures are often violated, but one needs to be persistent in maintaining the closure.

This one of oak logs isn't the best, but the landowner lives right across the road and its in a well traveled residential area, so there are many to keep an eye on it.

Oak logs especially aren't good to use, but these were two large hollow cull logs that would have been left on the landing for grouse drumming logs or wildlife dens. Instead we used them for the road closure for a more natural appearance.

If they were good oak sawlogs, they would  soon be "stolen". If they were smaller trees, especially oak trees,  fallen across the road, they would have been soon cut up for firewood and the road again opened.

In the back woods areas we usually build a series of "tank traps" (earthen mounds covering exposed stubby woody debris about 4' high or so). We placed an earthen mound at the ends of the logs here, but not excessive. When excessive, they aren't too aesthetically pleasing.

In some cases a heavy steel gate with concrete filled steel posts is used. This is more permanent.

It depends upon what the landowner wants and if he can keep it maintained. ORV's and snowmobiles are usually the most problem, but then when the violator wants to remove the closure they will use a 4x4 truck with chain, winch, or whatever.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/road_closure_tank_trap.jpg)

  
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: woodmills1 on July 25, 2002, 06:16:47 PM
Tom, I find if you put a very large rock on both sides of the big log it really is much harder for the scoundrels to move it. ;)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Tom on July 25, 2002, 07:29:56 PM
James, we don't have any rocks around here.  :D
The closest thing I've seen to a rock was the concreted base of a Power Pole in town one time years ago and on it some youngster had written the Ad for a local radio station.  ROCK 105.  I laughed till I thought I'de die.

Sea Shells wouldn't work, Huh?

If these kids are anything like we were then, the harder you make it to move, the more determined they are to move it.  I may get better results by putting wheels on it.  :D

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on July 25, 2002, 07:44:46 PM
Large Rocks are excellent here also, but usually had to find unless we haul them in. Expensive, bit that's done sometimes also.

Tom,
How about a couple alligators tied to those logs down your way? :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Tom on July 25, 2002, 08:05:53 PM
The kids would just eat them Ron.  :D ........the gators I mean.  :D :D
Title: AhRe: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Corley5 on July 25, 2002, 09:03:44 PM
Ahhh the subject of road closures.  Last week we spent four days in the Pigeon River SF reclosing roads.  We got the north half done and the south half will have to wait til fall.  We used mainly earthen berms and mixed large rocks, stumps, logs etc in with the dirt.  A couple places we used large boulders for blockages.  We set them into the ground a foot or so.  This makes it hard to pull them with a 4x4.  Most of our wildlife openings and some other areas are accessed through heavy pipe gates that have a chain and padlock on them.  For the most part these stay locked.  Some of them we have problems with people cutting the locks but not too bad.  The worst times are bear dog training season and bear season.  This brand of hunter around here has no respect for locked gates.  One lock I picked up had been cut off with a torch :o.  At this particular site I built a berm behind the gate too.  They still cut the lock off even though there was no way over the blockage on the other side.  Some of the managers want to try something new.  Treated barrier posts.  We've put some in but they are doomed to fail.  We wanted to drill them and put a piece of 1/2" rebar in the center to keep them from being cut off.  Oh no then in case of a fire the fire officers couldn't cut them off.  It did no ggod to remind them that the fire crew would have a 450 JD dozer or a big four wheel drive that could push out or drive around the posts.  Oh well job security 8) 8)  
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on July 26, 2002, 03:17:16 PM
Road closures are a major management issue and concern in forest land and resource management, both pro and con. Especially in public land management.

All are aware of the Roadless Areas initiated during the Clinton administration and still under debate.

Road closures are worthy of a new Thread.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on July 26, 2002, 03:28:47 PM
Timberjack 380C Grapple Skidder and its Carrier. Being loaded for transport after the job is done.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/timberjack_380C%20grappleskidder-loading1.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on July 29, 2002, 07:02:11 PM
Iron Mule 5110 Forwarder. With a bunk load of aspen pulpwood.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/iron_mule5110_with_aspenpulpwood.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on August 01, 2002, 07:47:59 PM
Valmet 544X Forwarder. Loading aspen pulpwood on harvest area for transport to the landing.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/valmet_544X_forwarder_in%20_aspen.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on August 04, 2002, 03:32:50 PM
Red Pine Processing Area. Note the slasher in operation and differnt product piles. Tops are in background awaiting the chipper.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/red_pine_processing_area.jpg)


Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on August 11, 2002, 09:15:49 AM
Timber Harvest Access Road. Timber harvest access roads often need to be improved for access and trucking. This hill section of road is being straightened out some and graded before receiving 200 plus yards of gravel. 4 wheeled drive was needed to make the sandy hill before the road work.

A John Deere 750B Crawler does the work.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/timber-harvest-road.jpg)


Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: StIhL_MaGnUm_1 on August 11, 2002, 09:56:57 AM
That kinda looks like what I've been doing lately except I use a D9 Cat for the access roads,I just got done my 65 acre clear cutting job,so I guess tomorrow I'll be starting my white pine thinning job it oughta be a fun time,nothing like workin the woods.
   Here's a pic of my new
(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/stihlmagnumskidder1.jpg)

                                        Rob
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: StIhL_MaGnUm_1 on August 11, 2002, 10:42:10 AM


Heres some Pine
http://www.ronayne.co.nz/pine/logging.jpg
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: StIhL_MaGnUm_1 on August 11, 2002, 11:10:18 AM
Her's a load on it's way


http://www.superiornationalforest.org/july4thstorm1999/images/visuals/Logging%20truck%20loaded.jpg
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on August 12, 2002, 06:29:02 PM
It's good to see some posts by loggers from other parts of the country. Keep them coming!
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on August 12, 2002, 06:43:49 PM
Aspen Deck. A "whack" of aspen pulpwood. Double decked side by side awaiting trucking.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/aspen_decked_at_landing.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Tom on August 12, 2002, 07:32:02 PM
looks more like 40 whacks  :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: StIhL_MaGnUm_1 on August 13, 2002, 06:40:10 AM
Ron,

   Here's a pic of my friends Deere 640 w/ big floaties :D

    http://www.rolligon.com/jpg/tires/72x68-28log.jpg

Her's My Buncher :o

    http://www.audubon.org/chapter/mo/mo/feller~2.jpg
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: StIhL_MaGnUm_1 on August 13, 2002, 06:55:34 AM
Here's another pic my chipper

http://www.sawbill.com/chipper.jpg
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on August 13, 2002, 09:17:29 AM
This was about 3 days work and 4 truck loads were already hauled out so I called it a "whack". A " mechanized whack". Done with feller buncher, 2 Cat Grapple skidders tree length skidding, and a slasher processing at the landing. No wasted motion.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on August 13, 2002, 06:32:21 PM
Hood Slasher. Processing aspen sawlogs and pulpwood and decking at the landing.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/hood_slasher.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: StIhL_MaGnUm_1 on August 13, 2002, 07:07:03 PM
Ron,

       There's nothing like seeing a Slasher at it's BEST  ;D

       Do you have any more pics??



                       Rob.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: StIhL_MaGnUm_1 on August 13, 2002, 07:12:46 PM
Welcome to the Jungle :D

http://www.pwamazon.com.br/Arraste2.jpg
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on August 14, 2002, 03:43:33 PM
Where in the "Rain Forest" are you and what kind of logs?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on August 14, 2002, 04:01:25 PM
Hood Slasher processes aspen products.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/hood_slasher_aspen.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on August 15, 2002, 07:01:24 AM
Hood Slasher processing and decking aspen pulpwood

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/hood_slasher_decking_aspen.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on August 15, 2002, 02:24:11 PM
Two New Cat 525B Grapple Skidders. New to the job. The one on the right has smaller tires for working pine plantation rows.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/cat-525B_grapples.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on August 17, 2002, 08:09:16 PM
Some Armor Here. Two Cat 525 B Grapple Skidders and Hydro Ax 511 EX with sawhead.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/some_armor.jpg)

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on August 25, 2002, 02:48:15 PM
Valmet 544X Forwarder. Loading variable length oak sawlogs.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/valmet_544x_forwarder.jpg)

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on August 28, 2002, 07:02:01 PM
John Deere 648 Grapple Skidder. Working on 5 Oaks Hunt Club Timber Harvest.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/john_deere_648_grapple_skidder.jpg)


Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: StIhL_MaGnUm_1 on August 29, 2002, 12:37:04 PM
Ron,
  That kinda reminds me of my skidder a little bit,I' ve been cutting and skidding alot of whiet and yellow Pine as of late,in fact I just bought a new 385XP Husqvarna for some felling and a brand new ;D '02 John Deere 748G dual function grapple skidder,Very nice machine though.I'll post some pics asap

                            Rob..
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on August 29, 2002, 03:43:34 PM
John Deere 648 Grapple Skidder. Skidders may be used for various purposes. Here its used to push the "pay load" of aspen pulpwood out over the sandy access road.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/john_deere_%20648_pushing%20_truck.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: StIhL_MaGnUm_1 on August 29, 2002, 03:45:17 PM
Her's a link to a pic of the 748G

http://www.cfr.msstate.edu/images/forestry/skidder.gif
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: StIhL_MaGnUm_1 on August 29, 2002, 03:55:05 PM
Here's another one of my 748's in Colebrook N.H. in June 02

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/stihl_magnum_logging01.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on August 30, 2002, 06:38:04 PM
Valmet 544X Forwarder. It is also used in pushing the aspen "pay load" over the sandy access road from the harvest area. Note oak logs on bunk for weight.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/valmet_544X_pushes_load.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on August 31, 2002, 06:31:33 PM
Pulpwood Haulers backed up. Two rigs backed up on sandy section of seasonal county road awaiting a pull and push from skidders. Five Oaks Hunt Club Timber Harvest.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/semi-loads_backed_up.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on September 02, 2002, 02:42:06 PM
Truck Names. Loggers often name their hauling rigs.
This one is "Hard Times".

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/truck_named_hard_times.jpg)

This one is named "Your Next".

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/truck_named_your_next.jpg)


Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Jeff on September 02, 2002, 05:40:02 PM
O.K. Ron, be careful. There are some names that come into our mill we aint posting here :D

I dont know how they go down the road like that.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on September 03, 2002, 07:21:33 AM
Yes, some are unprintable, but a library in themselves.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: StIhL_MaGnUm_1 on September 03, 2002, 04:34:51 PM
Just thought I'd say HI ;D ;D 8)

        Later Rob.. I gotta go change the oil in the skidder now should be a fun time...
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on September 03, 2002, 05:53:41 PM
Timberjack 230A Forwarder. The hardwood stand is now being selectively harvested in a second operation after the red pine selective thinning.

The infastructure of access road, landing, etc. were put in first during the red pine thinning.These are now being used for the hardwood harvest at a higher value and less cost.

Cay Newhouse Hardwood Sale

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/timberjack_230A_newhouse_landing.jpg)

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Tillaway on September 06, 2002, 03:02:59 PM
(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/truckbrush.jpg)


Roads should be maintained to provide adequate sighting distances.  This is a mainline haul road on the Plumas National Forest in California.  This road is driven by the public to access private property and recreational sites.  Log trucks were using this road when the picture was taken.

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Tillaway on September 06, 2002, 03:10:53 PM
(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/trucknarrow.jpg)

This is the same road as previous image.
Some roads are difficult to build and maintain.  This is the end of a section of road that keeps sliding into the creek.  It should be relocated and engineered to stay on the hill.

Also there are inadequate pulloffs on this section which is about a mile long.  
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Tillaway on September 06, 2002, 03:30:25 PM
(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/40inchdf.jpg)
 
40" 16' Douglas Fir log, about 1000 bf.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/48inch.jpg)

48" 16' Douglas Fir log, over 1000 bf.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/deck3.jpg)

Cull deck.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/oakdeck.jpg)

Oak logs... no market.


California's lack of markets and high hauling costs leads to lots of wasted logs.  This should lead to lots of opprotunities for small portable mill owners but rarely does.  The California Forest Practices Rules discourage these opprotunities.  You will need to be a Licensed Timber Operator, and file a salvage exemtion with the Calfornia Department of Forestry to get these.  As a general rule, large land owners in the state will not allow salvaging these logs due to liabilty reasons.  You will have to have a minimum of $2;000,000 liability policy and you will not be allowed to mill on site.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Tom on September 06, 2002, 04:13:19 PM
What does it take to be a "Licensed Timber Operator"?  Could a Miller operate under a Broker's insurance policy?
If the wood is on Privately owned land, why couldn't the miller mill on site?  I don't understand where the landowner loses the right to process his own trees.  If the miller were milling the salvage logs for the landowner, would the State still prohibit the operation?  Would the landowner then have to be a "Licensed Timber Operator"?

How does the State explain the logs left in the woods to Environmentalist Whacko's when there is a market for the salvaged wood?  I would think that the Government could encur as much grief over this as the landowner may encur from the Wackos for harvesting in the first place.

Just trying to understand because obviously, I don't.  ???

I sure wish I could get my saw to those logs. :)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Tillaway on September 06, 2002, 04:34:14 PM
Good questions Tom.

In these pictures these logs belong to a large industrial land owner with no milling capacity.

Large land owners in California are very shy about liabilty.  They believe that the economic gain is overshadowed by the possibilty of a lawsuit caused by the operation. (Fire, accident on the road etc.)  Also, many times it will cost more to process the paperwork than the logs are worth.

You only lose the right to process your own trees when you sell the lumber or other final product.  You used to be able to cut and process your own trees for personal consumption with any regs.  This was abused (Large Ski Resort near Tahoe) and now the regs apply but to what extent I don't know.

To harvest any logs in California even on your own land you have to be a LTO.  This includes firewood.

A miller can mill logs... just don't ask any questions about the logs source.  The miller will not get in trouble... the land owner will.

Insurance requirements are up to the land owner, most require $2,000,000 or more.  The state will not issue an LTO license without proof of $1,000,000 logger broad form.  A land owner can get this requirement waved if they log on their own land only.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Frank_Pender on September 07, 2002, 08:28:31 PM
Then, in order to log your own land you have to put a plan together that is put together by a certified foresters that certain fees and reg. that he must file and pay for?  This could or will cost you several thousands of dollars?  I see in the future that Oregon woodland owners will be falling into this trap?! :'( :-[
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on September 12, 2002, 07:05:23 PM
Valmet 544X Forwarder. It comes over the hill on the skid road to pick up another load on the Five Oaks Hunt Club timber harvest.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/valmet_544X_forwarder_over_the_hill.jpg)

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on September 13, 2002, 07:11:16 PM
Valmet 544X Forwarder. Loads oak sawlogs for transport to the landing. Five Oaks Hunt Club Timber Harvest.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/valmet_544x_forwarder_loads_oak_sawlogs.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on September 16, 2002, 12:15:43 PM
Valmet 544X Forwarder. Carries load of oak to the landing. Five Oaks Hunt Club timber Harvest.


(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/vlmet_544X_forwarder_carries_oak.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Corley5 on September 16, 2002, 07:06:22 PM
Where's Five Oaks Hunt Club?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on September 17, 2002, 09:00:14 AM
It's a small private hunt club southeast of Manton, MI and north of Long Lake neighboring State forest land. Cabin and property is owned by 3 brothers and associates from Novi, Dearborn, MI area.

They contract ARC Consulting Services for their land & resource management planning, timber harvests etc.

Another such hunt club I work with is Circle V Hunt Club up on Wheeler Creek north of the Manistee river east of Sherman, Mi and south of Traverse City, MI. It also neighbors State forest land. Such clubs have a lot of huntable acres with the public use of adjoining State forest lands.

The Circle V Hunt Club won the Wexford County Conservationist of the Year award a few years ago due to their land and resource management planning and projects.

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: StIhL_MaGnUm_1 on September 28, 2002, 08:11:00 AM
Ron,

         You got any new pics of any harvest's??
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on September 29, 2002, 08:30:15 AM
Not right now. Should have some more soon; didn't want to bore you. Hopefully others will post some. I would like to see some from other parts of the country.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: StIhL_MaGnUm_1 on September 29, 2002, 09:08:26 AM
Hey Ron here's on of my friends site's with my skidder and his forwarder

http://www.mackenziechamber.bc.ca/skidder_forwarder.jpg
Title: Road Closures
Post by: Bro. Noble on September 29, 2002, 02:42:30 PM
Boy I wish I had a digital camera !
Several posts ago Ron showed a picture of a logging road blocked by two large rocks.  About 6 miles north of us there is a logging road closed the same way.  The rocks are about belly button high.  Yesterday morning we went by there and there was an old junky looking 4WD pickup with big tires balanced on top of the rocks.  I can't wait to hear the rest of the story.

Noble
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Tom on September 29, 2002, 03:00:15 PM
Was he balanced on his wheels or his rocker panels?  It makes a big difference. :D

If he was on his wheels, it is a great sign of defiance. ::)
If he was on his rocker panels it was a sign of defeat ??? ;D :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Bro. Noble on September 29, 2002, 05:40:10 PM
All four tires were in the air.  I thought maybe the landowner had put it there to be funny, but it was gone this morning.  I'll bet someone was wearing a real sheepish look.

Noble
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: DanG on September 29, 2002, 09:04:57 PM
Noble, you don't have to spend a lot of money to own a digital camera. Go to  Walmart and look for a Vivitar "Vivicam 10."  It is a point and shoot digital camera that sells for under $50. Comes with all the software you need, and takes some pretty nifty pictures.  If I wasn't so lazy, I'd learn how to post pics and show you some samples.

BTW, it isn't displayed with the fancy cameras. It comes on a bubble wrap card and you will find it over with the Instamatic type rigs.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Bro. Noble on September 29, 2002, 11:46:04 PM
DanG, I appreciate that info.

Now all I need is a new computer that can handle the pictures.  I see one advertised on TV for about $700 with all the bells and whistles I would need.
We visited our kids at college this weekend.  Our son is working on a PHD in math and teaches a couple of classes.  He had a little work that had to be done at his office so I went along to check the forum.  Their computers were so much faster than this one it was unreal.  The moniter was about one inch thick.  There was a plug-in on the keyboard to hook the digital camera direct.  I WANT ONE !!

Noble
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on September 30, 2002, 05:31:24 PM
Stihl,

Excellent pictures and some impressive equipment. I note that you are usually chained up or have tracks on the rubber tires. Do you run this way all the time in New Hampshire or can you run straight rubber?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: StIhL_MaGnUm_1 on October 01, 2002, 01:51:45 PM
Ron,

     I don't always run chains on my equipment,but one of the skidders always has a set on it at all times,and my other skidder usually just runs on the rubber,New Hampshire is strange in some spots you really have to run chains and other's you don't it all depends on where I'am,one thing I know is it's no fun to take them on and off all the time :-[.

                      Later Rob....
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: GarryW on October 04, 2002, 09:32:23 AM
Here is the set up at woodman's place. (he made me do this!)

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/003_0_compressed.jpg)

garry
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on October 06, 2002, 10:10:09 AM
Truck Names

Some log hauler truck names noted in route while crossing the U.P. to Iron River and up to Hancock, MI the past few days were:

"Broke Again"

"Double Vision"

"Spud"
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Steve on October 06, 2002, 12:01:33 PM
Here are a couple for ya!

These were both in Ketchikan, Alaska years ago.

"Hardly Able" logging company. It was his real parent given name.

"Preporation H" Pile driving company. They put in docks and such.

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: DanG on October 06, 2002, 08:16:38 PM
Haven't seen too many "creative" names on log trucks, around here, but there was a small paving company, a few years back, that was owned and operated entirely by women. They called it T&A Construction Co. ;D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: WV_hillbilly on October 06, 2002, 08:42:21 PM
   There is a small 3 man home building company down here called  Close Enough Construction .   The name alone would give me doubts about even having them build me a dog house.  



    
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Tom on October 06, 2002, 08:47:05 PM
I like AFAB Construction.  Anything For A Buck  :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Steve on October 06, 2002, 10:50:10 PM
A friend of mine used to have this sign over his shop door.

"We screw the other guy and pass the savings on to YOU!!"
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Bro. Noble on October 07, 2002, 07:14:42 AM
Back in the 60's the favorite stock car driver in Springfield Mo. was Lester Friebe.  He drove a purple Buic.  Lester had a garbage route in Springfield.  His purple trucks had a sign on the side "Satisfaction guaranteed or double your garbage back"

Noble
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: DanG on October 07, 2002, 09:35:09 PM
A couple of signs, seen locally:

On a local radiator shop:  "A great place to take a leak."

On the back of a portable toilet truck:  "Do your business with us."

I won't even mention what was on the truck of a local butcher's shop.  :D :D ;D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Cedar Eater on October 08, 2002, 09:50:15 AM
On the side of a septic system cleaner's truck:

We're Number One In The Number Two Business!

 :D :D :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Frank_Pender on October 10, 2002, 08:54:50 AM
a frined of mine had a septic pumping service with the picture of a skunk painted on the back along with a caption, "STINKY".  Boy, are we getting far from the thread? :'(
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: StIhL_MaGnUm_1 on October 10, 2002, 09:50:16 AM
Guy's what happened to the original thread???
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Tom on October 10, 2002, 04:48:35 PM
Stuff goes round and round here Stihl_Magnum.  It'll come back around one day :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on October 10, 2002, 07:22:11 PM
"Log hauler" rig names. I talked to one driver yesterday with a new rig. He is going to name the new one "Hard Times". The old one was named "Two Tracker".
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Tom on October 10, 2002, 07:57:18 PM
My Southern Loggin' Times has an article in the Industry News Roundup that Timberjack Replaces the 240D Skidder.

I quote the first paragraph:

"Timberjack made  history again last summer when it ceased production of its 200 Series of skidders.  The last unit, a 240C cable machine bearing serial number WC240CC001178 rolled off the assembly line June 18 at Timberjack's plant at Woodstock, Ontario.  It was number 23,795 of the series, introduced by the company in 1961."
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: StIhL_MaGnUm_1 on October 11, 2002, 05:31:34 AM
Tom,

     You are right the 240 is now gone forever,that was a very good machine for it's size a few friends of mine have a couple that I use from time to time..It will be missed :-[

                            Later Rob,....
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on October 22, 2002, 01:28:20 PM
What's Timberjack going to replace the 240 with? It seems to be the most most popular forwarder here. There are 4 of them working on 3 on my short wood jobs at present.

A couple more "log hauler" names noted are:

"Daddy"
"Poor Boys Dream"
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on October 28, 2002, 02:49:24 PM
Small Slasher, Hawk Hydaulics, Inc. Cuts hardwood round wood products at the landing.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/slasher_small_Hawks_Hydraulic.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on October 29, 2002, 08:27:05 AM
Tree Farmer C5D Cable Skidder. Used on "short wood" job for pulling down leaners and road side trees where safety and falling placement is critical.

Harris Hardwood Sale, 10/02.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/tree_farmer_C5D_cable_skidder.jpg)


Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: StIhL_MaGnUm_1 on October 29, 2002, 01:39:46 PM
Hey Ron nice little tree farmer you got there how do you like it?Nice pics by the way I'm suprised no one else post's any pics for us to look at...I have been thinking about looking into purchasin one of the new JD 848G series dual function skidder's for a few weeks now I guess I'll have to swing by NorTrax East this week.... ;)

                          Later Rob....
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on October 29, 2002, 05:06:51 PM
A Logger's Pick-Up Carries Their Needs.
Tool Box; Fuel Tank for skidder & forwarder fuel; Storage  Boxes for spare parts, hydraulic hoses etc., Lunch Cooler; Chain Saw Oil; Extra Chain Saw ( Husky 288XP) etc.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/logger__s_pick-up_r_wheeler.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: smwwoody on October 29, 2002, 07:39:17 PM
That JD 848 is that the TJ 660 painted yellow?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on October 30, 2002, 06:17:46 AM
Black Cherry Logs. Ready to be forwarded to the landing after the cutter returns from his lunch break.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/black_cherry_logs.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: StIhL_MaGnUm_1 on October 30, 2002, 12:30:19 PM
smwwoody,

          I don't really know for sure but I will let you know by the middle of next week..

Ron,

          Nice pics as always ;DI almost thought that you took a pic of my truck till I saw the 288 and not a 385 and 064 ;).

                              Later Rob..
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on October 30, 2002, 04:59:08 PM
1990 Timberjack 240A Forwarder. Carrying out a "bunk" of hardwoods. Harris Hardwood Sale 10/02.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/1990_timberjack_%20240%20A_forwarder.jpg)


Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: WV_hillbilly on October 31, 2002, 08:08:33 PM
 Ron do they leave the middle piece (the one that saw is touching)in the woods or do they take it out to be sawed into lumber? It seems to me that there would be some real nice crotch wood in that piece.

Thanks Hillbilly
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on November 01, 2002, 04:50:41 PM
Hillbilly,

The center crutch piece of the black cherry was left in the woods. It's there for anyone that wants it or it becomes a grouse "drumming log".
  
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on November 01, 2002, 05:00:08 PM
Timberjack 240A Forwarder Unloads Sawlogs at the Landing. Harris Hardwood Sale 10/02.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/timberjack_240A_unloads_sawlogs.jpg)

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: TJACK on November 01, 2002, 06:32:10 PM
Ron,

I have noticed in your area they use a lot of forwarders.  Is there an advantage in time or perference in getting the job over cable skidders?  I realize there is less impact on the land.  Why do I ask? I live in North Western PA where most of the timber harvesting (saw logs and veneer, black cherry, red oak and maple) is with cable skidders, very few forwarders.  If you cut pulp or firewood, grapple skidders.  Maybe do to the hills?

TJACK
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: smwwoody on November 01, 2002, 08:44:54 PM
T jack
Forwarders don't work real well on our hill sides I have rented that big franklin that grotzinger equiptment has a few times when we had over a 1.5 mile long skid and used the skidders to pre bunch and then hauled to the landing with the forwarder. and one time when we could not get the log trucks through the snow and the state would not let us plow the truck road because it was being used as a snowmobiel trail so we prehauled with the forwarder down off of the ridge road in emporium to the golf course where the log trucks could get to.  Woody
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: WV_hillbilly on November 03, 2002, 08:03:18 PM
Ron

   that puzzles me as I would think that someone could make some high dollar boards out of that. I don't know anything about sawmilling or logging I just use the boards. But I hope to get a mill in the next 2 years. I own a small farm and would like to cut some of my own trees for lumber.

Hillbilly
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on November 08, 2002, 06:55:25 PM
Most of my hardwood sales are selectively marked and require short wood variable length logging with none over 17 feet in length. Tree length skidding is not permitted as the primary method, thus forwarders are primarily used.

The land owner clients I have do not want their forest landscape and remaining trees damaged. More resource damage is often done with excessive use of cable skidders.

The forwarders are also easier on the landowner roads and trails. However, there is usally a limited need for cable skidders being used as you stated on hill sides, reaching into wet areas, assisting cutters in pulling down leaners, etc.

Most timber producers have both a forwarder and a supporting cable skidder on the job for support as needed, but they are not the primary skidding method.

There are timber harvests were tree length skidding is permitted and grapple and cable skidders are used, but not in quality hardwood selective harvests. Remaining trees to improve a landowner's stand quality and values can not be damaged in excess.

I've worked both in West Virginia and Pennsylvania and know the hills well in your landscapes. It is much more difficult than what we have here in Michigan, thus the terrain may dictate more use of cables.

I can recall $70,000 +/mile haul roads in West Virginia 20 years ago.  We just need to be as "light on the land" as possible.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: smwwoody on November 08, 2002, 07:08:20 PM
QuoteMore resource damage is often done with excessive use of cable skidders.




that should read excessive use of caable skidders with bad or lazy opperators.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on November 08, 2002, 07:15:38 PM
Truck Driver and Timber Producer. They "talk things over" as they get ready for "a load to the mill".

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/truck_driver_gets_ready.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: smwwoody on November 08, 2002, 07:22:42 PM
Ron

how many ton do they put on those things?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on November 08, 2002, 07:35:22 PM
I agree. The resource damage is proportinal to the experience and care of the skidder "or forwarder" operator and also the job foreman overseeing the harvest.

If you look back through this thread, you will see cables and grapples in use also. One recent timber harvest had both type machines in full production. The select hardwood area used forwarders and the aspen clear-cut areas used grapples. A cable skidder was used as a support unit on both areas.

Soil types and soil disturbance is also a concern often overlooked as to the type of unit used.

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on November 08, 2002, 07:48:09 PM
Woody,

20-30 tons of green wood depending upon the species.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on November 10, 2002, 05:52:06 PM
Getting A load Of Sawlogs Out. While the timber producer decks a "bunk" of pulpwood with the 230A Timberjack Forwarder.

Both sawlogs and pulpwood are harvested concurrently during the selective timber harvest. (Harris Hardwood Sale, October 2002.)

  (https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/loading_and_decking.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Tillaway on November 10, 2002, 07:00:04 PM
Ron,
It seems as though you have allot of self loader trucks in your region.  Self loaders are rare in California since they usually service small landowners that do their own logging.  Lots of them comparetively in Oregon and Washington though.

Is it common to use self loaders even when a loader is available on the landing.  I ask this since the loggers out west are very concerned about truck payloads since the loader reduces this.

When a forwarder is used out here part of it's task is to load trucks.  So a self loader is redundant for this type operation.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on November 10, 2002, 07:19:37 PM
Yes, the self-loaders are very popular here with the truckers that haul all roundwood products. Some of the Sawlog only producers will have just the flat bed rig and a seperate loading machine serving at the landing.

They usually don't tie their skidders up for loading trucks. If not a self loader, the seperate loading machine is often a large fork lift.

I'll show a picture of just a log rig maybe tomorrow.  
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Tillaway on November 10, 2002, 09:39:21 PM
The most common loader in California is the 966 Cat wheel loader with log forks much to the disdane of some Foresters including me.  Landing are too big when these are used.  I had never seen one in the woods until working in California.  The Northwest uses hydraulic excavators (Cats, Hitachi, Link-Belt, mostly) which are much superior for sorting logs and working under a yarder.  Also landing size is greatly reduced on the ground based sytem sides using these.  I forgot to mention that self loader haul costs are considerably more compared to the long logger used here so that limits their role to do it your selfers, very small operators, and cleanup loads.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on November 11, 2002, 08:04:27 AM
Till,

How about posting some pictures of the California  or the Pacific Northwest logging operations when you can? Everthing's on a much bigger scale out there with different techniques for the "high country".

I once worked a 16 person logging crew in Oregon during my firefighting days. They were real professionals falling that ponderosa pine on those steel slopes. We traveled in there own bus which their mill provided.

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on November 11, 2002, 08:16:56 AM
On the Road Again. Load of sawlogs on flat bed rig traveling down State Highway 115.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/flat_bed_of_sawlogs.jpg)


Some more Log Hauler Names noted:

"Fast Forward II " (Not sure where Fast Forward I is??)
"Walking The Dawg"
"Gear Jammer"
"Bigger Bear"
 
These were all noted in Michigan's U.P. "Spud" was also on the road again.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Tillaway on November 11, 2002, 05:52:21 PM
I've been trying Ron, but unlike you I don't often get to work with loggers.  My tasks are over long before they show up, sometimes years before.  I was trying to find time to get pictures of a yarder operation in the Sierras this summer but never got over there before they were done.  Yarders are not real common in the Sierras any more.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Paul_H on November 11, 2002, 07:12:21 PM
(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/paul_raising_spar.jpg)

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/Paul_linkbelt_ls98.jpg)

These pictures were taken in 1980,when we were logging at Woodfibre BC.
The top picture is a 1963 Madill yarder.The spar is hinged,and is raised first with a hydraulic ram,then lifted the rest of the way up with the two raising guylines on the front.As it goes up,the donkey puncher,slacks off the other four,till the spar is near vertical.Then they are slacked off & tightened till the pipe is at the desired position.
The man standing on the log pile,is my dad.The donkey puncher is Lorne Crocker.The winch on the yarder is a 110 Skagit, handjammer.It was taken off it's sleigh in 1963,and fitted on a Madill carrier.This was the last season we used it.

The bottom pic is the yarder(Back down the road) and a LS-98 Linkbelt loader.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Tillaway on November 11, 2002, 07:41:17 PM
Link- Belt with a snorkel no less, never seen a snorkel in the US. 8)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Paul_H on November 11, 2002, 08:07:17 PM
 Tillaway,
They're kind of a BC thing aren't they? Do they still run many Link-belts down there?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Tillaway on November 11, 2002, 08:14:34 PM
Never heard of one until I went to the Charlottes.  Never saw a grapple yarder either.  Those are unique to BC.  The company out there had a snorkel and a super snorkel on a Madill.

All most all those cable Link-Belts were converted to shotgun yarders as soon as the hydraulics started to get popular.  Some of the old boys still run them in Washington.  I've even seen some old dipper stick type there.

Have you got any shovels with tong throwers up there yet?  
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Paul_H on November 11, 2002, 08:38:47 PM
I haven't seen any around here.There were a few super snorkels around a few years ago,but aren't to practical anymore because of multi chart areas.It would cost to much to break down,move and reasemble.There was a 150' on a American 72-20.I saw a few working,and was impressed by them.
We have a newer LS98 now that we added a kit to the power down side of the winch.It gives us twice the line speed when needed,and we yard comfortably up to 450'.The 98 is used mostly for cherry picking,but occasionally yard and loads corners and small patches.

I will try to take some pictures of the grapple yarder this week.We mostly use the grapple,but have the dropline carriage on right now.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Paul_H on November 12, 2002, 05:29:20 PM
(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/paul_logtruck.jpg)

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/paul_gy-ll.jpg)

I took some pictures of the grapple yarder,and 330LL working in the fog today.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Paul_H on November 12, 2002, 05:34:36 PM
(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/87N02-11-12(10-40).jpg)

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/paul_landing.jpg)

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Paul_H on November 12, 2002, 05:47:49 PM
(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/paul_gy_landing.jpg)

Looking down from the guyline stump.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/paul_in_cab.jpg)

View from the cab of the 330LL
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Tillaway on November 12, 2002, 06:26:47 PM
Those pictures are  8) Paul.  When I was laying out Blocks for the grapples we try to limit the yarding distance to 200 meters.  Can you yard futher than that or is that about it.  We also tried to layout so as we could get a hoe trail around the bottom to use the hoe for a tail spar.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on November 12, 2002, 06:29:00 PM
Some " heavy duty " logging. Great to see other parts of the country and their forests at work.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Paul_H on November 12, 2002, 07:07:48 PM
This is a small block,and the maximum distance yarding is around 600-700'.The two mainlines on the yarder are 1150'.They have to be kept close in length,or one line will pull faster,and the grapple will tend to open and close at will.

600'(around 200 meters) is optimum for this machine,but we've been out to the end of the mainlines a few times.In a steep block like this,especially when it's raining,almost every log needs to be grabbed by the loader,before the GY can let go.If not ,the logs will shoot back down to the crew below.

 Tillaway,
We love it when there are backspar trails.Number one production 8) Too steep here though,the slope has no break,till the road mainline at the bottom.
(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/paul_logloader.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Scott on November 14, 2002, 02:54:13 PM
Does anyone have any pictures or expirience with CAT crawler skidders like the 527 or 517. I like thses machines but i don't know a lot about them.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Tillaway on November 14, 2002, 03:45:46 PM
Lot's of them out here.  The preferred skidder in these parts, but hey it's steep.  They run them here on slopes up to 70% with with steeper pitches allowed. :o  I'm sure theres a serious pucker factor though. ;D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Scott on November 14, 2002, 04:17:01 PM
Thats interesting. Unforunatly here on the east coast there really isn't any need for them but i'd really like to see someone try one just to see how it goes. You don't have any pictures of them at work do you?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Steve on November 14, 2002, 04:55:09 PM
So with this high lead grapple, no chokers/setters? Can the yarder operator can see what he is doing and grab the logs?

What a tough dangerous job to eliminate, if that is the case.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Paul_H on November 14, 2002, 05:34:15 PM
Steve,
In most cases,the operator can spot his own logs.If he can't,the hooker has a radio to guide him.It also speeds things up in the landing,by not having to drop the logs,and slack the lines,and have the chaser run in and unhook the chokers.
If there is poor deflection,the dropline carriage is used,or in extreme ground,the butt rigging is used.Both require chokers
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Tillaway on November 15, 2002, 11:46:59 AM
Paul
How does production compare to your drop line rigging.  I'm trying to figure why I haven't seen any working in Oregon or Washington.  One of the reasons I can think of might be the limited yarding distances.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Tillaway on November 15, 2002, 11:52:34 AM
I don't have any pictures of the 527 yet.  I'll try to get some next time I see one.  I was told by someone that operated them that they really excell at skidding but don't work as well as a regular dozer for earth moving.  It has something to do with the weight balance.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Paul_H on November 15, 2002, 07:52:57 PM
Tillaway,
The grapple will out produce the dropline in most cases,especially up to 700-800'.Faster turns,faster landing,no crew to scramble out of the way.Even faster hanging on the excavator.If we are in small wood,and out 800-1000',then it's usually better to fly 3 or 4 chokers on the carriage.

I wonder if the drop carriage is used more in the States because of the thinning and shelterwood systems?I also noticed more Longline shows.In our district,we have more for small patches,and guts&feathers left by the bigger outfits that came through before us.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Tillaway on November 15, 2002, 09:44:42 PM
I think your right Paul, it's the partial cuts.  Road building is another, it's avoided whenever possible.  The blocks I was laying out up there had allot more roads  bisecting them.  We would have just put one road at the top or bottom in the states and long lined it.

I had the pleasure of working with a very sharp logging engineer for several years.  They take great pride in logging helicopter units with cable.  He used a 110' Berger tower with massive skyline extensions to do one near Happy Camp, CA.  They flew out the haywire with a helo and used a rock drill to bore holes in a cliff face to set bolts to use for tail holds.  There wasn't any trees on that side of the canyon that would hold.  I can't remember how far it was to the tail holds but I do know it was over a mile.  He did some serious pencil scratching to figure that one out.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Paul_H on November 15, 2002, 10:53:14 PM
Tillaway,
That is a mind boggling distance.They must have had a block purchase to lift the skyline.Just the weight of the line alone,would be something,then to add the weight of the logs onto that,look out.Were there intermediate supports?

The rock anchors work well,but we always feel better hung on a stump.,Just a mindset I think.

Are there breaks/incentives for logging a heli block with a conventional system?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Tillaway on November 16, 2002, 04:28:21 PM
No multispan, they were operating at the absolute weight limits.  I asked him about the wieght problem and he had it all calculated.  They had to buck the logs in the same mind set as on a helo unit to keep the weight within the working load of the lines.  By the way they had just respooled the yarder with fresh cable and, may haved been the swaged stuff but I DonT recall.  I asked him about the bolts as well and he said that they were stronger than any stump, of course he was in good rock too.

I was at the Oregon Logging conference a few years back and the manufacturer of Acme carriages was giving a seminar on long spans.  It was his belief that 90% of whats helo logged now could be cable logged.  He had a video of one his carrriages working rediculously long span 6000' or so If I remember correctly.  The yarder hit fourth gear sending the carriage out.  It was a 300' drop from the carriage to the ground.

 Nearly avery cable logger does multispan and has long span capabilities, if you don't then you are very limited on the jobs coming your way.  

There's a significant financial payoff for logging helo ground with the long spans.  Company "A" bids on the timber sale as laid out for helo planning to use helo.  Thier bid on the timber will be significantly lower than company "B" that plans on getting creative with a cable system.

Have you seen the Eagle carriage that can go around curves?  It was also discussed in the seminar.  So now if you want to cable log in Oregon or Washington you need to be able to multi-span, long-span and go around curves. ::)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Paul_H on November 16, 2002, 04:51:24 PM
We have been dragging our feet on doing any heli logging.There has been pressure from our District Manager at BCForest Service to access hard to reach timber.We have built road into some pretty tough spots,and have done a cold deck and swing in a block at North Creek.The numbers were run before hand,and it was worth it.

One reason we don't want to fly our wood is it would shorten up the season for our crew.Another is we have the equipment,and the manpower,but most of it would sit idle,while the helicopter company is making the money.Heli has its place,but not for us right now.

Do you remember the size of the Skyline(diameter).Berger is a pretty good yarder isn't it?

I haven't seen the Eagle carriage,but it sound interesting.Is it the Eaglet motorized carriage that is used down your way?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Tillaway on November 16, 2002, 08:15:28 PM
I don't remember the size of the skyline, it's been a while maybe 1 1/4" but its just a guess.

The engineer that did the pencil scratching was also part owner of the mill and purchased that big Berger years before.  It was the biggest he could buy at the time.  He liked them allot and in fact and this yarder was pretty much the last of the really big iron running in the state in the late 1980's.  Part of their niche was contracting out to competing mills to log sale units that could only be done with the big Berger.

Yes Eagles, Acmes, and Boman come to mind.  I don't know which is more popular. They are all motorized carriages.

Heli is popular in California simply because yarders are scarce outside of Redwood country.  Also the loggers that do have them usually aren't interested in multi-span, long-span operations.  Also forest engineers are scarce here and the Foresters that write the Timber Harvest Plans are not real up on engineering so they don't write a skyline option into the plans.  Also CDF is not real sharp about logging systems either, so allot of cable units get flown needlessly (Columbia Helicopters is happy about that).

The last OLC I was at Canadian Air Crane put on seminar about selective harvesting high quality trees in really nasty places.  They would climb the trees and limb and top them then cut at the stump leaving a little strip of holding wood with wedges in the saw kerf to hold them up.  They hung a set of Esco graples horizontally form a Skycrane and grabbed the upright tree, gave it a wiggle and flew away with it.  The tree never hit the ground until it reached the landing.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Paul_H on November 17, 2002, 04:36:49 PM
(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/paul_skyline.jpg)

This was taken in 1987 from the tail block on the Skyline.We had a 071 Madill mini tower.The spar on the yarder was 42' high.The system we were using is what we learned as a North bend.The mainline comes out through the fall block,and up to the carriage block on the skyline.It allows us to side block along the skyline road,and take a larger swath.This ground was broken up,and had a sharp break at the backend,and a bad hump in the middle.This particular road was out over 1000'

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/paul_skyline_garibaldi.jpg)

This shot was taken up at the hump,looking back toward Mt Garibaldi.(dormant volcano)

Tillaway,
I have seen pics of that heli grapple system in a lumbermans magazine,interesting.Have you seen where they are flying disasembled hoe chuckers into heli blocks in pieces,then reasembling them?They chuck the block into bundles for the chopper.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Tillaway on November 17, 2002, 06:41:31 PM
I bet it's a real bear to reassemble them in the block. Do they fly the under carriage first then set the house on top with the boom to follow?

Do you run your own D lines and use Logger PC?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Paul_H on November 17, 2002, 07:52:52 PM
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This is the machine I was refering to,not an excavator at all ::)
It belongs to Tymatt Contracting,here in BC.He contracts for Weyerhauser,Stillwater Division.These next two pictures are from Logging &Sawmilling Journal.They show the buncher being reasembled after it's components were flown in by chopper.

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Tillaway,
We don't run our own deflection lines,that is done by our forestry consultant,John C Howe of JCH Forestry.He is based out of Squamish,but also does a lot of work on BC s mid coast.They didn't lay our skyline block out,it was done by a engineer by the name of Dave Cameron.He had cut the line off at a good point,but there was good wood just behind it that we felt was worth the extra rigging.

Logging Journal link (http://www.forestnet.com/archives/Sept_2002/index.htm)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on December 14, 2002, 05:42:31 PM
On The Road Again. Log haulers headed north on I-75. An empty passing a full load.

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on December 14, 2002, 05:56:09 PM
Log Hauler Names, noted on last trip up to western U.P.

"Animal"
"Flash"
"Gear Jammer"
"Not Satisfied"
"Spud"
"Hot Dog"
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on December 16, 2002, 09:35:01 AM
Chip Van. Ready "to roll" with a load of fuel wood for the local Cogen. Plant.

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on December 17, 2002, 06:06:33 PM
Jonsered 2054 Turbo Chainsaw. Being rested on a stump while harvesting black cherry and hard maple sawlogs.

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on December 18, 2002, 06:36:23 AM
Load Of Sawlogs On Way To The Mill. Hardwood sawlogs from the Newhouse Hardwood Sale; October 2002.

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on December 19, 2002, 06:29:54 AM
Timberjack 240A Forwarder and Tree Farmer C5D Cable Skidder. Parked at the landing. Timber producers often have one of each type on the job. Harris Hardwood Sale ; October 2002.

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on December 20, 2002, 04:21:39 PM
Delivering The Equipment To Start The Logging Job. During the winter's first snow. Kendziorski Hardwood Sale; December 2002.

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on December 21, 2002, 01:41:09 PM
The Logger's Pick-up. A look at another one carrying the needs for the day. Kendziorski Hardwood Sale; December 2002.
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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: craigc90 on December 22, 2002, 09:59:07 AM
I am going to try this one more time this is my friends Timberjack460 cable skidder and JD650g(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/skidtj460.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: craigc90 on December 22, 2002, 10:00:53 AM
Wow  I finally figured it out the pic is a little fuzzy but I think its ok.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: WV_hillbilly on December 22, 2002, 10:26:56 AM
  Looks like you did it to me Craigc90. It takes some gettin used to but should be easier now. That's some nice equipment. I just wish I had some like it.

Hillbilly
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on December 23, 2002, 10:54:19 AM
Valmet 544X Forwarder. With "bunk" of hardwood pulpwood. Kendziorski Hardwood Sale; December 2002.

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Scott on December 24, 2002, 06:55:31 AM
 Those look like some nice sticks for pulp. Do you guys use a chipper in the woods or are those logs chipped at the mill?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Jeff on December 25, 2002, 05:19:13 AM
We do both here Scott, but in the case of the load on that forwarder, that wont be chipped in the woods I would bet. When total chipping in the woods they take tops and all. Most chip operations will use a feller buncher to "bunch" skids of wood in a accessable spot the usually a grapple skidder will take it on to the landing.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: mapleveneer on December 25, 2002, 06:07:19 AM
Quite an interesting thread of posts and photos.  Too bad I can't sit still for long enough to look at all of them!
If any of you ever get to NY state, there is an extensive and quite interesting logging exhibit at the Adirondack Museum in the hamlet of Blue Mountain Lake in the Adirondacks.  See www.adirondackmuseum.org.  Visit their section on history/adirondack industries.  Also check out the book store in the History section for some books on the history of logging.  Very Interesting.

Now you guys talk about a "whack of logs"??  Let's see if I can make this picture load!


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Tom on December 25, 2002, 06:52:26 AM
Tha's quite a Wack, MV.

Yep I drink a lot of coffee too ;D :D

Make your next cup decaf and see if you can stay awhile, we
re having fun and the more the merrier. ;) :)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on December 26, 2002, 01:44:32 PM
Husquvarna 395XP Chainsaw. Being used by this cutter to harvest Aspen and Oak sawlogs and pulpwood. Kendziorski Hardwood Sale; December 2002.

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on December 28, 2002, 05:21:25 PM
Pulpwood Hauler. Prepares for turn off US-2 for access into Mead Paper Mill's wood yard. Escanaba, Michigan; December 2002.

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on December 30, 2002, 12:23:12 PM
Railroad Siding. Rail cars of pulpwood being loaded for pick-up at the Gulliver R.R. Siding in Michigan's U.P.; December, 2002.

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: TJACK on December 30, 2002, 08:08:46 PM
I am suprised all these photos don't show snow on the ground, being in the UP of Michigan.  We haven't seen grass in Northern PA since a week before Thanksgiving.  Great pictures Ron.  It is interesting to see how things are done in your neck of the woods.

TJACK
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on December 31, 2002, 08:50:03 AM
Yes, it has been somewhat unusual so far. We haven't had a lot of snow yet. The snow has been all around us. Not much in the UP either. They were getting a little yesterday I guess. It rained here most of the day yesterday with temps up to 40 degrees. Got washed out of the woods.

There will be some snow photos ahead though.

How about some Pennsylvania photos? I do recall some heavy snow seasons there.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: TJACK on December 31, 2002, 08:35:13 PM
Ron,

I may have spoken to soon, it was 50 here today.  Now I can see grass on the road sides.  It was refreshing as I drove with the window part way down. As far as pictures, I don't have a digital camera although, I do have a friend that will let me use his.  I will see what I can do.

Take care and have a happy new year,

TJACK
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on January 01, 2003, 11:16:00 AM
I don't have a digital camera either. Just a plain 35 mm and use a scanner.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Scott on January 01, 2003, 06:27:34 PM
Hey Ron, how come the trucks you show always have so many axles? Seems like more than is needed.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on January 01, 2003, 06:45:51 PM
The heavy loads that they are allowed to carry here in Michigan require the multi-axels. The gross weights that these mult-axels carry run 154,000 - 157,000 pounds. They can only run in Michigan as most states only allow single axel rigs.

The State has been trying to stop the multi-axels, but the logging industry has prevailed in their use so far.

They may run the multi-axels into Ohio some by special permit only
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Scott on January 02, 2003, 01:19:15 PM
 Thats pretty interesting Ron. Are the multi axles only used in the hardwood or does the softwood loads weigh alot too? Around here trailers usually only have 2 or 3 axles on log trailers and the B-train chip vans have 2, not very exciting but it works i guess.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on January 02, 2003, 06:57:09 PM
The mult-axel rigs are used for both hardwoods and softwoods. Double axels trailers are used also. That's what the chip vans are.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on January 03, 2003, 06:29:36 PM
Log Hauler Wears Christmas Wreath. Roadside loading during December's snow (now gone). Note the multi-axels with 42 tires. Kendziorski Timber Harvest; December 2002.


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Scott on January 04, 2003, 06:58:20 AM
 Thats a nice tough looking truck Ron. I don't know much about trucking so i can't really carry on  a conversation about them. I see you have a lot of forwarder pictures. Do you have any expirience with the boogie tracks used on them sometimes?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on January 04, 2003, 02:02:29 PM
Not much experience with the tracks of the forwarders since they aren't used much in this area. Mostly just just the rubber tires.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Scott on January 05, 2003, 09:21:33 AM
 Do the forwarders do as much rutting as the skidders Ron? In my area i've seen a lot of skidder action and i'm quite disgusted with them. I'm sure if the operators actually cared about what they were doing things would be better. Around here not many operators run a CTL operation so i don't really know much about them, it seems like a better system in a lot of cases though.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on January 05, 2003, 02:45:37 PM
Valmet 544X Forwarder. Picking up sawlogs and pulpwood behind the cutter. Kendziorski Hardwood Sale; December 2002.

Yes, the rubber tired forwarders compared to skidders are usually easier on the landscape with less disturbance and resulting damage on selection harvest areas.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/valmet_544X%20forwarder_and_cutter.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Scott on January 06, 2003, 02:31:03 PM
 Hi Ron. I notice you were listing truck names awhile back. I rember seeing one called the Bacon Maker. Once when i was visiting my relitives in Nova Scotia I saw a tow truck called the happy hooker :o. :D.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on January 07, 2003, 06:00:49 PM
Timbco Tracked Processor Stuck. A logger's day takes a turn for the worse when the productive Timbco tracked processor broke through a "spring hole". The unit was stuck for a better part of two days."Heavy armor" had to be called in to retreive it.

Harris Hardwood Sale; December 2002.

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Tillaway on January 07, 2003, 06:13:50 PM
Oops...I did that with a pickup once... took me a week to get it back.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on January 08, 2003, 02:24:29 PM
Timbco Tracked Proccessor Still Stuck. A Komatsu Crawler (D7 size) with winch frame is called in to assist in removal of the Timbco from "spring hole". Harris Hardwood Sale; working aspen clear cut area near head waters of Wheeler Creek; December 2002.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/timco_winched_with%20_crawler.jpg)

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Scott on January 08, 2003, 05:35:50 PM
 Those pictures reminded me of something that happened up here a couple years back. The contractor was working behind a Fabteck FT133 in a cedar swamp skidding cedar (naturally). at the beginning of the swamp was a very steep hill, maybe 30 feet. Anyway the skidders were in after a good rain and when they went to go back up the hill with a grapple full of wood they got mired down. The mud was the nice black stuff cedar swamps are known for. The timberjack 560 and 450 were burried about 2 feet up the arch. the 560 was in worst and it was lop sided the mud on the side farthest in was up to the window on the door. The loggers got a hitachi EX200 in but it got stuck too. The front of the tracks were sticking out of the mud a few inches but in the back the engine compartment was litterally level with the ground. Interestingly enough it started right back up. Words can't descride how bad these guys were stuck. I wish i had a camera with me. Nice timbco Ron.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on January 10, 2003, 07:47:36 AM
Timbco Still Stuck. More heavy equipment is called in to work on freeing the tracked Timbco from the "sink hole" while workers place aspen logs under the tracks to "jump it out". Harris Harfdwood Sale; December 2002.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/timbco_in_sink_hole.jpg)

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on January 12, 2003, 07:39:27 AM
Timbco Back On Firm Ground. It now needs to be taken in for a "steam cleaning". Harris Hardwood Sale; December 2002.

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Rob on January 12, 2003, 08:16:14 AM
Ron it's good to see you guys got the processor un stuck,your right it looks like it could use a bath  ::)


                 Later Rob.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: chet on January 12, 2003, 11:47:18 AM
Ron do you happen to know if that Timbco was put together in Iron River. It looks like one of the models they build at the Lakeshore Plant.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on January 12, 2003, 03:14:21 PM
Chet,

I don't know if this one was an Iron River product. It is owned by Sam Fahl, Fahl Forest Products, Mancelona. I never did get a "clean" look at it as it was already "sunk" when I came on the job.

I'll check the Timbcos out closer in the future to see if they're from Iron River though.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on January 13, 2003, 05:14:42 PM
Timberjack 380B Grapple Skidder Harris Hardwood Sale; December 2002.

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on January 15, 2003, 05:22:11 PM
Timberjack 1010B Double Bunk Forwarder Harris Hardwood Sale; December 2002.

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on January 17, 2003, 07:42:43 PM
John Deere 540C Cable Skidder. Used for logging the hillside terrain on the Harris Hardwood Sale; December 2002.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/j.deere_540C_cable_skidder.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on January 19, 2003, 09:24:57 AM
John Deere 540C Cable Skidder. Rolls down hillside skid trail to remove selectively marked sawlog and pulpwood trees.

The hillside skid trail was waterbarred with round wood and slash upon completion to prevent any possible future erosion.
Harris Hardwood Sale; December 2002.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/j.deere_cable_skidder_down_hill.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Rob on January 19, 2003, 09:26:40 AM
Nice work Ron I see it's kinda muddy out your way also..
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on January 21, 2003, 06:29:09 PM
Falling and Bucking Black Oak Sawlogs The cutter uses a Husky 395XP chainsaw. Kendziorski Hardwood Sale; December 2002.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/sawing_black_oak_sawlogs.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on January 29, 2003, 06:37:05 PM
More wood hauler truck names noted in my travels.

"Blue Ox"
"Patchwork"
"Spud" (Again)
"Dog Train"
"Boo"
"Polar"
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on January 30, 2003, 06:56:06 PM
An informal survey of the number of wood hauler semi's traveling Michigan highways was made during a recent trip from Cadillac, Michigan to Iron River, Michigan to Hancock, Michigan and return.

Miles Traveled: 974 miles
Number of Days enroute: 3 days
Number of Wood Haulers counted enroute: 82 semi's

Results:
1 log hauler /11.9 miles of highway
27 log haulers per day on highways

A good way to pass the time; "counting logging trucks" and observing their "handles".
  
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Bro. Noble on January 30, 2003, 08:00:06 PM
Ron,

I'm with you , but I doubt it'll ever replace "a hunnart boddles uf beer on da wall"

Noble
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Scott on January 31, 2003, 02:09:09 PM
 Take a look.(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/stuckex22.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: hawby on January 31, 2003, 03:27:20 PM
There has just got to be one heck of a story to go with this picture!!! :o

Sure would like to hear it. This guy had a badder day than I did today ;D

klh
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on January 31, 2003, 04:37:09 PM
Yes, lets hear more. More pictures also??
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Scott on January 31, 2003, 06:04:39 PM
 Unfortunatly i don't know the story. I found them on a local university site. I'll email them and see if anyone knows anything.
(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/stuckex12.jpg)
This one isn't as bad.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on January 31, 2003, 06:13:19 PM
Is this a road building job, pipeline construction, or a timber harvest??
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Scott on January 31, 2003, 06:44:30 PM
Here's some more goodies.
(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/excaps.jpg)
(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/hows_your_day32.jpg)
(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/were_logging_now2.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Scott on January 31, 2003, 06:46:53 PM
Ron, i found it on the university's forestry section so i assume it was a logging road they were building. I have no clue why the guy drove on the pond or whatever he's on.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Scott on January 31, 2003, 06:51:04 PM
(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/158_s.jpg)

What do you guys think of this rig?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Tillaway on January 31, 2003, 08:20:11 PM
(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/optiside.jpg)
John Deere 740 Skidgine.  900 gallon water capacity, 300 gallon foam tank, front water monitor, full plumbing of a conventional fire engine and an angle blade.

A new life for an old skidder.  This is a fully functional fire engine that saw service in Colorado and other fires during the summer of 2002.  It's back at the shop for upgrades.  

Fire fighting is has always been a side business for western logging contractors.  Some take it more seriously than others.

We have the Firetrack here as well.  It is owned by another contractor.  It is a converted Army missile carrier that now sports a blade,  fire engine capabilies and a flame thrower for back fires and slash burns.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/optifront.jpg)

Fornt view of monitor.

A $8000 dollar addition.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/optijoystick.jpg)

The controls, notice the joystick in the upper right corner.  This is used to control the monitors spray direction and foaming capabilty.  The foam is used to prevent structures from ignition during wild fires.




Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Mark M on January 31, 2003, 10:16:35 PM
Hi Scott

What is that thing? Looks like at cross between a Treefarmer and an IHC Quadratrack farm tracktor with heavy duty tracks. I'll bet it really pulls!

Mark
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Scott on February 01, 2003, 01:48:39 PM
 It must be a custom kit. I've only saw 2 pictures of such machines on the web and both were from Canada. i think the base machine is a Timberjack 480B or C.

Make: Timberjack
Model: 480 4-track
Year:  
Price: $$30,000.00 CD
Condition: good
Hours: 6955
Serial: CK2316
Description: D5H running gear, winch and grapple U/C good condition; Cummins 6BT motor; 11'8" wide weight 53000 lbs. steep slope skidder
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Scott on February 09, 2003, 02:24:22 PM
 Ron, lets see some more pictures.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on February 09, 2003, 02:59:06 PM
I don't want to bore everyone, but will have some more pictures as the logging picks up some with improvements in the weather. Hopefully others will post some also.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: DanG on February 09, 2003, 05:16:42 PM
I DonT think you gotta worry about boring anyone, Ron. :)  You've posted some fantastic pictures on this thread. Just keep'em coming.  You really should look into a digital camera, though. You must be spending a fortune in film developing. :o
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on February 14, 2003, 05:22:33 PM
Iron Mule 5010 Forwarder. Carries a "bunk" of aspen pulpwood. Harris Hardwood Sale 1/03.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/iron_mule_5010.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Scott on February 15, 2003, 12:39:23 PM
 Thas a funny looking forwarder. Is there any reason for the short bunk and the front axle being back so far?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on February 15, 2003, 05:27:55 PM
Iron Mule 5010 Forwarder. A closer look. The Gafner, Iron Mule, first built in 1957, went through several improved models and was one of the most successful pulpwood forwarders ever made. It was very popular during the mid 1960's an 70's.

In 1988, the Gafner family of Escanaba, Michigan sold their Michigan-based operation to the Finnish state-owned Valmet corporation.

A number of Iron Mules still operate in selective managed timber stands where they can articulate in and around trees doing "short-wood" harvesting with minimum impact and least damage to the residual stand and remaining crop trees.

I'm always pleased to have an Iron Mule working on my managed timber harvests.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/iron_mile%205010.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on February 16, 2003, 09:45:49 AM
Winter Logging Can Be Tough. Here the 230A Timberjack forwarder is being used to clear the "knee deep" snow away from the selectively marked trees to allow for low stump cutting by the chainsaw faller. Jaynes Hardwood Sale, Kalkaska County, 2/03.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/winter_logging_is_tough.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on February 17, 2003, 11:50:43 AM
Timberjack 230A Forwarder With Chains. This forwarder has its front tires chained-up for working in the heavy snow of Kalkaska County. Jaynes Hardwood Sale 2/03.

 (https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/timberjack_230A_uses_chains.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on February 18, 2003, 09:28:52 AM
(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/timberjack_230A_in_snowy_woods.jpg)
Timberjack 230A Forwarder. Decking pulpwood in a snowy woods. Kalkaska County; Jaynes Hardwood Sale 2/03.

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on February 19, 2003, 08:20:47 AM
Black Cherry Sawlogs . Falling & bucking in heavy snow. The 2084 Jonsered chain saw sits on the end of a log. Jaynes Hardwood Sale 2/03.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/black_cherry_logs_in_snow.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on March 04, 2003, 05:56:38 PM
Caterpillar End Loader. Being used to open the access road into the timber sale area and to clear the landing and decking area of snow before starting the timber harvest.
Piotrowski Timber Sale 2/03.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/caterpillar_end_loader.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Scott on March 05, 2003, 07:21:17 AM
 Any specific reason for using the loader with a bucket? I've found that buckets are a little slow for clearing snow, I think angle blades work a lot better. How deep is the snow there Ron?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on March 05, 2003, 08:22:46 AM
Yes an angle blade or dozer would be faster, but this timber operator doesn't have such equipment so he just brought out his own end loader from the mill to do the snow removal job.

They often make use of what they have. The snow  depth there is about 18".
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Scott on March 05, 2003, 01:59:24 PM
 I never thought of that Ron. I think we have more than18 inches right now. I'm guessing we had 3 feet before the rain so its probably about 2 now. Makes for good skidding but digging out around all the stumps is a pain.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on March 05, 2003, 04:05:02 PM
"Lumber Jill". Assists "lumber jack" (husband) in falling white pine sawlog trees. Piotrowski timber harvest 2/03.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/lumber_jill_in_white_pine.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on March 06, 2003, 04:19:20 PM
Vintage Machine. 1968 Tree Farmer cable skidder with a "dray" hook-up for short wood logging. Tree length skidding is no permitted on this selection harvest. Piotrowski timber harvest; 2/03.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/vintage_machine_1989_tree_farmer.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Scott on March 06, 2003, 04:37:15 PM
 Theres a nice setup. Are those old TreeFarmers reliable Ron? I see ones like that for sale around here a lot for good prices but always figured they were junkers. The tires are a little skinny, can you get tires for them? I've never seen them with wide tires before.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on March 06, 2003, 05:25:51 PM
I don't see many of them in use here at present. This has been the first recently on any of my jobs. Its reliable, but just very slow. I expect to see this unit replaced with a faster unit soon as the skidder owner is out looking for another machine.

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Scott on March 06, 2003, 05:54:41 PM
 A few years back there was a C5 working around here. I remeber it being a slow machine. Interestingly enough the owner did a whole bunch of illegal cutting and when the landowner found out how little he would get out of a court action he burned the machine. Or at least thats what I herd :).
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on March 07, 2003, 04:33:04 PM
Timberjack 290D Cable Skidder. Front tires chained-up for winter work. Used on timber harvest areas to dispatch "hangers", move trees on hillsides to safe bucking area, support the rubber tired forwarders as necessary, work around the log landing, etc. Piotrowski timber harvest 2/03.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/timberjack_290D_cable-skidder.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Mark M on March 07, 2003, 06:04:30 PM
Boy seeing all this old equipment, snow, and trees really makes me home sick :'(.

Sometimes I really hate being stuck out here on the DanG prairie where you have to rummage through the dump to find trees. :(

Next time someone goes into Fabco in Green Bay or Michigan Cat in Novi tell them you know where there's a lab manager who wants to move east. Heck I'd even consider Fabick!

Mark
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: ElectricAl on March 07, 2003, 06:22:55 PM
Ron,

Clean looking Timberjack 290D.

We have one logger who has a Timberjack 208. I get to run it in the spring for a couple of weeks. It's great on the side hills, because of the low center of gravity. But it lacks a few ponies.

Our other loggers run JD 540's and a JD640 cable skidders.
Great for long and big hitches.

Around here the crews use Tiger paw chains all the way around.


ElectricAl
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on March 08, 2003, 06:44:32 AM
(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/valmet_544X_forwarder_tire_chains.jpg)
Valmet 544X Forwarder. Decking oak sawlogs on the landing. Used in short-wood logging. Again chained-up on the front tires only. Loggers seem to economize on the cost of chains as occasionally needed during a winter such as this one.

More care is needed in their use as chains will cause more damage to the selected "leave trees" if bumped hard by a careless operator. Piotrowski timber harvest 2/03.





Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Minnesota_boy on March 09, 2003, 05:32:14 AM
As I was sawing on Friday, I watched as a truckload of logs came in.  The guy was driving a bit slower than most.  When he climbed up on the loader, he seemed to be taking his time and his unloading took longer than most.  As he left I could see that he was probably in his mid seventies.  The name one his truck?

Geritol Express
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on March 09, 2003, 08:18:49 AM
Great name for the "older" trucker. A few more truck names noted this past week are:

Grumpy
Gear Jammer
Dyer's Tonka Toy
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: chet on March 09, 2003, 10:05:26 AM
A few more:   Lost Cause
                     Wooden Nickles
                     Little Devil
                     and my favorite,  Makin Payments
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on March 09, 2003, 01:31:31 PM
Timberjack 230A Forwarder. Working "tightly" among crop trees in a hardwood selection harvest. A. Jaynes timber harvest 2/03.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/timberjack_230A_working_selection_harvest.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: TJACK on March 10, 2003, 09:33:22 AM
Ron,

How long is the deck on a forwarder?  Most of the saw logs in your pictures look like they are around 8 to 10 feet.  I know the length cut is requested by the buying mill, but can they manage a load of 16' saw logs?

Thanks,

TJACK
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on March 10, 2003, 01:45:56 PM
The single bunk units vary some, 5 - 6 feet maybe, depending upon make and size of unit. I'll measure some up to check for sure. Most of the sawlogs are cut at 8 foot (100"), but lengths will vary. I usually don't allow forwarding of logs longer than 17 feet to prevent any damage or skinning of the residuals and crop trees in a selectiveyl marked northern hardwood stand.

They will usually place the longer length logs in the center of the bunk with the 8 footers around the sides.

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on March 10, 2003, 01:59:09 PM
Jonsereds at Work. A 2065 and 2054 are "rested" on a hard maple crutch block. Most fallers have at least two saws in their "arsenal". Usually both of the same manufacturer.
A. Jaynes hardwood harvest 2/03.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/YaBBImages/userpics/jonsered_chainsaws_on_block.jpg)

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on March 11, 2003, 02:32:41 PM
Logger's Pick-up A nice Dodge. Piotrowski timber harvest 2/03.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/3_10_03/logger::s_pick-up_new_dodge.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on March 12, 2003, 02:14:29 PM
 
QuoteHow long is the deck on a forwarder?  Most of the saw logs in your pictures look like they are around 8 to 10 feet.

The bunk length on the Timberjack 230A is 10 feet from the "headache" cage to the back-end frame.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Scott on March 12, 2003, 04:14:52 PM
Around here most forwarders are setup as a "double bunk". they can carry two lenths of 8' or one of 16'. Most bunks measure 16 feet alought some are up to 24 i think.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on March 12, 2003, 04:59:18 PM
"Lumberjill" Operating the 1968 Franklin Tree Farmer Cable Skidder. Piotrowski timber harvest 3/03.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/3_10_03/lumberjill_operates_tree_farmer.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on March 13, 2003, 04:46:26 PM
Dray Attachment. Attachment for the 1968 Franklin Tree Farmer Cable Skidder to allow "short wood" forwarding. 10 foot bunk frame with 5 feet between stakes. Piotrowski timber harvest 3/03.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/3_10_03/dray_attachment_for_frankilin_skidder.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on March 14, 2003, 05:11:58 PM
"Timber" The faller harvests a selectively marked oak sawlog tree with a "husky" chainsaw. Piotrowski timber harvest; 3/03.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/3_10_03/timber_falling_oak_sawlog_tree.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on March 15, 2003, 04:25:48 PM
Bucking Oak Sawlogs. The slash is layed down for an aesthetic appearance. The Valmet 544X forwarder will also run over it to break it up further. Piotrowoski timber harvest; 3/03.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/3_10_03/bucking_oak_sawlogs.jpg)


Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: dail_h on March 15, 2003, 09:58:25 PM
Hey Ron,
   Wonder if any of those dray attachments ever made it down south- N C? pretty neat piece of equipmeny ,what price range,availability? Are you sure the Tree Farmer was made by Franklin? I thought they were two different co.s .I only live about 50 -60 miles from Franklin factory.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on March 16, 2003, 05:29:53 PM
I don't know about the availability of the dray for this unit. I think that it was more of a "home" built unit customized for this cable skidder. The current owner bought it all as a unit.

Yes, Tree Farmer and Franklin were two different companies. Tree Farmer was introduced in 1958 in Enumclaw, Washington as a west coast skidder and the Franklin skidder by the Drake Family in 1962 in Franklin Virginia.

The Drake family took over the Tree Farmer operation and merged the operation with their Frankiln line of equipment, retaining the Tree Farmer name. In 1990 Tree Farmer was sold to Franklin.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on March 17, 2003, 04:55:46 PM
Pinched "Husky". One faller helps another release his pinched "Husky" from the white oak sawlog tree. Piotrowski timber harvest; 3/03.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/3_10_03/pinched_husky.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Tillaway on March 17, 2003, 05:04:00 PM
I think that costs at least a six pack out here.  "That old familiar sound of my partner hung up again".
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on March 19, 2003, 06:04:39 PM
Valmet 544X Forwarder. Grabs a white oak sawlog.
Piotrowski timber harvest; 3/03.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/3_10_03/valmet_544X_grabs_oak_sawlog.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on March 21, 2003, 04:50:35 PM
Valmet 544X. Lifts a white oak sawlog.
Piotrowski timber harvest; 3/03.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/3_10_03/valmet_544X_lifts_oak_sawlog.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: mapleveneer on March 22, 2003, 10:34:50 AM
(https://forestryforum.com/images/3_10_03/wdlot2.jpg)
(https://forestryforum.com/images/3_10_03/wdlot1.jpg)

Two photos of my pine cutting operations this winter in Massachusetts.  although the snow was deep it packed well and skidding was relatively easy.  At least no mud!!
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Rob on March 22, 2003, 10:49:50 AM
Nice pics Maple I myself cut alot of pine up here in NH also,but we don't load the log trucks that high..man thats a load  ;D

                          Later Rob.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: mapleveneer on March 22, 2003, 12:18:27 PM
Yeah, the trucker took one 16 ft'r off when he realized he had too much on.  That one went with the shorter stuff in the next load.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Rob on March 22, 2003, 01:01:21 PM
Yeah I figured he must have taken atleast a few logs back off of that load..Nice logs though,what type of machine is that in the second pic??I'm glad most of the snow is finally melted but now it's getting pretty muddy man I hate mud season  :-/Where in Mass are you located? if you don't mind me asking.

                               Later Rob..
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: mapleveneer on March 22, 2003, 03:59:44 PM
The "machine" is an Allis Chalmers 5050 FWD with a Farmi Winch.  Yeah, I kinda work it to the limit.
(https://forestryforum.com/images/3_10_03/AC5050.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Rob on March 22, 2003, 05:23:57 PM
Yeah I guess you do use it to it's optimum potential.. ;DSo how do you like the Farmi winch??I though it was small for a skidder..

                             Later Rob.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on March 23, 2003, 05:42:55 PM
Loading Sawlogs. The trucker loads the sawlog rig for a trip to the mill. Piotrowski timber harvest; 3/03.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/3_10_03/loading_sawlogs.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on March 25, 2003, 04:37:55 PM
(https://forestryforum.com/images/3_10_03/almost_loaded.jpg)

Rig Almost Loaded. A full load of sawlogs for Wheelers Wolf Lake Sawmill. Piotrowski timber harvest; 03/03.

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Cedar Eater on April 02, 2003, 06:01:11 PM
The logger on my red oak sawlog sale works alone except for his log dog.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/04_01_03/LogDog.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on April 08, 2003, 05:19:16 PM
Pulp Hauler. Getting underway on snow covered access road. Note that there is no "pup" trailer due to the tight turn around at the landing, heavy snow, and the first day of the "frost law" in effect. A. Jaynes timber harvest; 3/03.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/04_01_03/pulp_hauler_Fahl::s.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on April 09, 2003, 08:04:56 PM
More Wood Hauler Names Noted On the Road

"Wild Man"
"Lone Wolf"
"Night Ware"
"Move It"

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on April 10, 2003, 07:51:29 PM
Pulpwood Hauler. Heads out from the landing with a "pay load" of hardwood pulp. A. Jaynes timber harvest 3/03.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/04_01_03/pulpwood_hauler_heads_out.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on April 12, 2003, 05:50:20 PM
Bucking White Oak Sawlogs. This faller uses a 395XP Husky.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/04_01_03/bucking_w_oak_sawlogs.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on April 15, 2003, 07:59:56 PM
Fueling the Husky. Fueling is needed to continue bucking the white oak into sawlogs to be forwarded to the log landing. The sawyer earns his pay.

Piotrowski timber harvest; 4/03.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/04_01_03/fueling_the_husky.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Cedar Eater on April 24, 2003, 09:52:18 PM
Old TreeFarmer Forwarder: The logger on my red oak sawlog sale uses this old beast like it was attached from birth.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/04_01_03/TreeFarmer3.jpg)

(https://forestryforum.com/images/04_01_03/TreeFarmer4.jpg)

Cedar Eater
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Rob on April 25, 2003, 05:06:53 AM
C.E,

     Forwarders from what I see are a great way to keep from tearing up the land compared to tree length skidding but I have'nt really seen many forwarders out this way in NH mostly just skidders.That is a nice old TreeFarmer though I sometimes wish I had one for some of the work I do.

                                        Later Rob.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on April 27, 2003, 11:07:21 AM
Valmet 544X Forwarder. Loading white oak sawlogs for forwarding from the cutting area to the landing. Piotrowski timber harvest, 4/03.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/04_01_03/valmet_544X_piotrowski_harvest.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on April 29, 2003, 07:06:53 PM
Wood Hauler Names Noted on recent trip across U.P.

"Ahloa"
"Best Buy"
"Taz Toy"
"Bear Paw"
"Wood-n-Nickle"
"Big Guy"
"Daddy"
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on April 30, 2003, 07:13:13 PM
A Log Hauler's Mud Flaps. Wheeler's Wolf Lake Sawmill Log Hauler; 4/03.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/04_01_03/log_hauler::s_mud_flaps.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 02, 2003, 07:32:21 PM
Faller Delimbing Large White Oak Tree. Before bucking it into the desired sawlog lengths. Piotrowski timber harvest 4/03.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/04_01_03/faller_delimbs_white_oak.jpg)


Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Rob on May 03, 2003, 04:26:10 AM
Ron,

       Nice pics as always,those mud flaps look familar the Northeastern Loggers' Association sells something like those to it's members..That is a very nice White Oak  the faller is delimbing..

                                    Rob.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 04, 2003, 10:01:38 AM
"Lumber Jill" Trims Limbs with Chain Saw. On harvested white oak tree. Slash is cut low and "looped and scattered" for aesthetics. "Lumber Jill" team works with her husband on the timber harvest work. Piotrowski timber harvest 4/03.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/04_01_03/lumber_jill_%20trims_branches.jpg)






Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 08, 2003, 07:54:34 PM
Timberjack 230A Forwarder. Working in an oak thinning. Witte timber harvest 4/03.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/04_01_03/timberjack_230A_works_oak_thinning.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 12, 2003, 06:46:17 PM
Northern Hardwood Thinning. A. Jaynes timber harvest; 4/03.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/04_01_03/northern_hardwood_thinning.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Rob on May 12, 2003, 06:52:32 PM
Ron,
 

        Looks like another excellent job very nice timber stand,keep on improving the woodlands your doing a great job.

                             Rob.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 20, 2003, 10:34:08 AM
Wood Hauler names noted "on the road" during recent U.P. trip.

"Stretch"
"Country Boy"
"Boo"
"Doc"
"Spud"
"Knucklehead"
"PaPa Toad"


Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 22, 2003, 09:05:12 AM
Chaining Down the Load. Oak sawlogs ready for hauling to Wheelers' Wolf Lake Sawmill. Piotrowski timber harvest 4/03.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/04_01_03/chaining_down_the%20_load_wheelers.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 26, 2003, 09:02:29 AM
Safety Signing. Logging operations often need to sign their accerss roads for public safety. Brown/Krantz timber harvest 5/03.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/04_01_03/safety_signing.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Jeff on May 26, 2003, 09:07:03 AM
Ron,
Where can those signs be purchased and how much are they?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 26, 2003, 09:28:06 AM
Jeff,

They can be purchased at any of the sign companies or made up yourself. I'm not sure on price as there are different sizes etc.

This particular signing is used by Cook's Forest Products, Inc. down your way and placed by Jake Smith's step son who is running the operation for Cooks. Have Jake check for their source of the signs. It may be locally there somewhere.

Also, ask Jake if he looked at the Sweet timber sale there off Maple Grove Road in Farwell. Have him give me a call since its in his neighborhood. It may be a good Billsby/ Cooks operation since it has sawlogs, pulpwood, chipping, clear cutting, selection marking etc.

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Jeff on May 26, 2003, 10:21:28 AM
I never thought, I'll bet they have them at Running Gears. Miller's logging Store. Its right acrossthe highway from Cooks Log yard there off of Mansiding rd and 127
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ed_K on May 26, 2003, 12:22:26 PM
 Jeff, check out the Forest Resourses Association, web site.
 They have some kool signage.
 Ed K
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 28, 2003, 05:48:06 PM
Hydro-Ax 511B with Boom Processor. Thinning a red pine plantation. Krantz red pine harvest; 5/03.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/04_01_03/hydr_ax_with_boom_processor.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Rob on May 28, 2003, 05:51:34 PM
Wow Ron,

        I have run and seen my share of bunchers but never a Hydro-Ax with a boom,thats a strange machine..How do it compare to using a 445 Timco or something to that effect?

                                 Thanks Rob.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Rob on May 29, 2003, 04:12:01 AM
 Ah I just noticed it's a processor not just a buncher wow now thats really weird.. :oWhoever owns it how do they like it??
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 29, 2003, 07:19:36 PM
Cook's Forest Products, Harrison, MI owns the Hydro-Ax processor. Its ok for the job intended, red pine plantation, first thinning.

It can process different product lengths and sizes to readily satisfy current market demand. Its wood utilization and slash removal is good. I'll get more photos of it in action.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 30, 2003, 04:59:17 PM
Timberjack 1010 Double Bunk Forwarder. Krantz pine thinning; 5/03.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/04_01_03/timberjack_1010_forwarder.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Scott on June 01, 2003, 03:04:07 PM
Last fall there was a TJ 1010 working on a woodlot next to ours. The land is very wet  and soft but he didn't do much rutting, he didn't have chains or those track chains on it either. Nice working machine.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on June 01, 2003, 08:54:56 PM
Western Star Wood Hauler. Comes for a load of oak sawlogs. Witte timber harvest 5/03.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/04_01_03/western_star_wood_hauler.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on June 03, 2003, 07:19:03 PM
Lokomo FMG 347 Processor with Sawhead (Swedish mfg.) Nelson's Sawmill Inc. harvesting aspen. Witte timber harvest; 5/03.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/04_01_03/lokomo_fmg347_processor.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Rob on June 04, 2003, 04:03:46 AM
 Another piece of forestry equipment I have never seen before,that is a weird looking little machine,kinda reminds me of the Bobcats they put tracks and a saw head on but a little bigger..
 
                                              Rob.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on June 04, 2003, 07:11:58 PM
Lokomo FMG 347 Processor (Swedish MFG.). Yes, very similar to the Bobcat processor.

Harvesting aspen pulpwood. Witte timber harvest 5/03.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/04_01_03/lokomo_fmg347_processor_in%20_aspen.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Scott on June 05, 2003, 03:28:44 PM
Looks a lot like the cab and engine off the 1010
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: BW_Williams on June 07, 2003, 09:58:07 AM
1 redneck, 1 ATV, 1 homemade logging arch.  Thinning Doug fir.  Doesn't really show, but this was a fair grade up and out to the skid road.  This area was horse logged in the 1920's and hasn't had any management since.  Unfortunatley, the pine beetles are killing all the big Ponderosas, but they make nice timbers if you get to 'em quick enough. BWW
(https://forestryforum.com/images/04_01_03/redneckskidder.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: BW_Williams on June 07, 2003, 10:43:22 AM
Better view of arch.
(https://forestryforum.com/images/04_01_03/logarch.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on June 18, 2003, 10:45:01 AM
Picking Up the Chains. The log hauler operator picks up his "tie down" chains for placement with the loader's clam. This "trick" and "skill" saves time and unnecessary labor. Witte timber harvest 6/03.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/04_01_03/picking_up_the_chains_witte.jpg)

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ed_K on June 19, 2003, 06:49:39 PM
This is my part homemade and part bought, TSI trailer. I've already decided that the 4/wheeler isn't going to be heavy enough for any hills. But its a good excuse to get a bigger 4x4 - 30hp tractor.
(https://forestryforum.com/images/04_01_03/tsi6%20(3).jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Rob on June 20, 2003, 05:42:58 AM
As promised here are a ton of pics my girlfriend took while I was at work on a lot clearing job..I'll have some before and after shots in a week or so.Hope you guys like.




(https://forestryforum.com/images/04_01_03/bore%20cuttin::.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Rob on June 20, 2003, 05:43:57 AM
a little pine clearing



(https://forestryforum.com/images/04_01_03/Cleared%20Pines.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Rob on June 20, 2003, 05:50:52 AM
a down log view



(https://forestryforum.com/images/04_01_03/down%20log%20view.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Rob on June 20, 2003, 05:51:49 AM
a view towards the pile of 4 foot firewood



(https://forestryforum.com/images/04_01_03/firewood%20view.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Rob on June 20, 2003, 05:52:37 AM
me hookin some chokers


(https://forestryforum.com/images/04_01_03/hookin::%20chokers.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Rob on June 20, 2003, 05:54:00 AM
Here's a shot of the big Oak stump me and fellow Forum member Chris Girard felled last Saturday



(https://forestryforum.com/images/04_01_03/huge%20Oak%20stump.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Rob on June 20, 2003, 05:54:49 AM
Knot bumpin'


(https://forestryforum.com/images/04_01_03/limbing.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Rob on June 20, 2003, 05:56:35 AM
some more bore cutting


(https://forestryforum.com/images/04_01_03/more%20bore%20cuttin::.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Rob on June 20, 2003, 05:57:42 AM
(https://forestryforum.com/images/04_01_03/more%20timber.jpg)
A view of the Stand


Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Rob on June 20, 2003, 05:58:31 AM
A view of the larger Oaks



(https://forestryforum.com/images/04_01_03/Oaks%202.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Rob on June 20, 2003, 05:59:13 AM
and another


(https://forestryforum.com/images/04_01_03/Oaks.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Rob on June 20, 2003, 06:00:24 AM
a little skidding with the Treefarmer


(https://forestryforum.com/images/04_01_03/Pullin::%20turn%202.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Rob on June 20, 2003, 06:01:30 AM
Doing some decking at the landing



(https://forestryforum.com/images/04_01_03/stackin::.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Rob on June 20, 2003, 06:02:19 AM
Here I'am starting the bore cut on the Pine



(https://forestryforum.com/images/04_01_03/startin::%20the%20bore.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Rob on June 20, 2003, 06:03:07 AM
Here I'am on the phone  ::)(https://forestryforum.com/images/04_01_03/talkin::.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Rob on June 20, 2003, 06:03:58 AM
here's another view of the stand being left,it does need a few trees removed in certain areas though


(https://forestryforum.com/images/04_01_03/Timberstand.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Rob on June 20, 2003, 06:05:17 AM
Here's a rear shot of the Farmer



(https://forestryforum.com/images/04_01_03/Treefarmer%202.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Rob on June 20, 2003, 06:05:55 AM
and another


(https://forestryforum.com/images/04_01_03/Treefarmer.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Rob on June 20, 2003, 06:07:06 AM
Here I'am winchin in a turn,well thats all I have for now I hope you liked them  ;D


(https://forestryforum.com/images/04_01_03/winchin.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Scott on June 20, 2003, 09:06:50 AM
 Great pictures Rob. I'll snap some pictures of the stuff going on around here, its been really busy lately but i don't have a scanner :'(. The local contractor has all his equipment within a few miles of my place. last month his 3 year old fabteck ft133 burned so he just bought a used deere 690d with an ulitmate disc saw harvester head. other equipment includes a tanguay slasher, kenworth dump truck, 2 TJ 450's (one blue/green one orange), komatsu d85 dozer and a deere 690d excavator.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Rob on June 20, 2003, 09:59:17 AM
 Thanks Scott I figured everyone would like to see some pics from the East Coast Loggers.. ;DI would definetly like to see some pics of that equipment when you get a chance.

                                   Rob.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Frickman on June 21, 2003, 08:41:57 AM
Thanks for the pictures Rob. I'll dream tonight about logging. It's raining again here, so no logging for awhile.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on June 22, 2003, 07:58:53 AM
Lokomo FMG 347. A small tracked processor with sawhead being used to harvest the aspen pulpwood stand within an oak sawlog harvest area. Witte timber harvest 6/03.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/04_01_03/lokomo_fmg347_nelson::s.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on June 25, 2003, 05:20:45 PM
Hydro-Ax 511 B With Boom Processor. Thinning red pine in a plantation. Krantz pine harvest; 6/03.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/04_01_03/hydro_ax_511B_processor.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on June 28, 2003, 07:11:50 PM
Timberjack 1010 Double Bunk Forwarder. Krantz pine harvest; 6/03.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/04_01_03/timberjack_1010_double_bunk_forwarder.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on June 30, 2003, 06:16:12 PM
Loading Red Pine Cordwood. Loading the "pup" trailer of the Western Star wood hauler. Brown pine harvest; 6/03.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/04_01_03/loading_red_pine_cordwood.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Scott on July 03, 2003, 01:48:38 PM
 A very nice clean looking operation. One benefit of CTL.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on July 16, 2003, 06:56:21 PM
"Soft Wood"; Peterbuilt Wood Hauler. Parades in July 4, 2003 celebration.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/04_01_03/peterbuilt_wood_hauler_soft_wood.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on July 20, 2003, 07:02:07 PM
Timber Cutter & Timberjack Forwarder. Working sawlogs and pulpwood around cabin and lake area. Witte timber harvest 7/03.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/04_01_03/timber_cutter_&_timberjack.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on July 22, 2003, 07:59:34 PM
Forwarder Picks Up Aspen. Sawlogs and Pulpwood.
Witte timber harvest 7/03.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/04_01_03/forwarder_picks_up_aspen.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Tom on August 07, 2003, 07:08:47 PM
Truck/logger names

Snow Ball
Puddle Jumper
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on August 08, 2003, 05:48:52 PM
Some more named rigs noted "on the road".

Pony
Rufus
PaPa Todd

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on August 17, 2003, 11:06:41 AM
John Deere 548D. Rubber tired forwarder outfitted for forest fire supprerssion. It is outfitted with a 750 gallon water tank (carries "wet water"), side spray nozzles, and a Michigan fire plow.

This unit was demonstrated by the Michigan DNR at Da Picnic, August 8, 2003.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/04_01_03/j_deere_548D_firefighting.jpg)


Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: David_c on September 10, 2003, 07:35:37 AM
i think you guys missed one peice of equipment granted it is low tec and takes alot of man power but when theres no other way i'm clearing 5 acers cant afford clearing saw so all the saplings are coming down with the use of loppers. ::) ::) and i can tell you its no fun but gotta do what you gotta do.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Scott on September 10, 2003, 01:57:05 PM
 Loppers? Neat looking rig Ron, for more wildfire fighting pictures visit www.wildlandfire.com theres some nice equipment photos in there.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: David_c on September 10, 2003, 10:53:12 PM
like i said not fancy. but when you have alot of saplins and no clearing saw and not alot of money, loppers work. not fun but i've done 3 acers with them so far. but i'd give my right arm for the right equipment. :D :D i'll tell you though i'd love to have some of the equipment i've seen. :) if i had it my land would already be cleared. 8) 8) but since i dont i'll have to make do..
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Cedar Eater on September 12, 2003, 06:55:27 AM
Loppers? Can you show us a picture? :D :D :D

Seriously, what are you gonna do with five acres of sapling stumps that start to resprout? I generally use a bush hog, but my father has a 5' mower that goes on the front of a skid steer (aka skip loader aka Bobcat). It'll cut up to 4" trees. I'll try to get a picture.

Cedar Eater
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: David_c on September 12, 2003, 07:45:32 AM
well i plan on opening up the whole 5 acers all the trees that are big enough i will turn into cordwood for sale. ;D the saplins i will just burn or get someone in here with a chipper. the girls want horses ::) so thats were they'll go. i hope to remove all stumps and make it look nice sick of looking at just trees part of it i plan to plant some kind of greenery like clover for deer and other wildlife and i'm sure they'll like it. 8) becuase like i've said eariler not much open space around here. but your right it does grow back real quick around here.  :'(
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: IndyIan on September 15, 2003, 10:09:13 AM
David_p,
To keep those stumps from resprouting, paint the top with round up just after you cut them.  It will go down into the root system and prevent any new growth.  

Might be a good way for the girls to help earn their horses  :), they could follow you around and paint the stumps.  Just make sure they have some rubber gloves on.  

Another good tool for what your doing is a brush axe:
http://www.leevalley.com/garden/page.asp?SID=&ccurrency=1&page=10246&category=2,45794

Good luck,
Ian
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: David_c on September 15, 2003, 09:20:06 PM
thanks indy i will definatly check out the round up and it would be nice to put the girls to work :D the axe might be nice for clearing trails but i can get lower to the ground with the loppers. thanks though what i really need (want) is a cearing saw.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: ksu_chainsaw on September 16, 2003, 09:46:15 AM
 go through the area and spray "Crossbow"  it is a brush killer, and will not kill the grass around the stump, allowing it to sbe applied with a sprayer.  our horse pastures always grow up in cedars and hedge trees.  we just run the bush-hog through there to clear it out.

charles
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: David_c on September 16, 2003, 03:25:43 PM
thanks charles where can i get that? like agway or something
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: ksu_chainsaw on September 19, 2003, 10:47:51 AM
we go to the county noxious weed department.  in KS it is considered a controlled chemical and you have to have a applicators liscence for it.  there are several other brush killers out that stores like TSC and Orschlens have that do the same job.  Just make sure that you read the label as to what types of vegetation it kills

Charles
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on October 01, 2003, 08:25:17 AM
More "log hauler" names noted.

*Nose cone
*Getty-Up & Go
*Big Bird
*One-Of-Seven
*Dog Train
*No...You

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on October 01, 2003, 06:26:55 PM
Forwarding Oak. Forwarding oak sawlogs and pulpwood through an oak thinning area. Witte timber harvest 8/03.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/04_01_03/forwarding_oak.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: David_c on October 01, 2003, 06:56:09 PM
nice pic Ron lets see some more.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on October 02, 2003, 03:30:54 PM
Classic Log Hauler. 1946 Chev carries load of white pine logs. Note modern day log hauler behind. Logging Congress, Escanaba, MI 9/03.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/04_01_03/classic_log_hauler_1946_chev.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: David_c on October 02, 2003, 03:59:54 PM
nice old truck. now theres a man that gets every bit of use out of a peice of equipment.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: RMay on October 02, 2003, 08:09:18 PM
Good to see old logging trucks like that , There becoming a thing of the past  ::)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: isawlogs on October 02, 2003, 09:31:01 PM
  What is or are Loppers  ??? ???
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: David_c on October 02, 2003, 09:39:46 PM
like pruners for your garden but bigger i can lop a 2" tree with them. a clearing saw would be better but......
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: isawlogs on October 02, 2003, 09:43:58 PM
  Thanks ...  ;)  now I can go to bed smarter.... ;D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on October 03, 2003, 09:32:07 AM
"Big Bird". This new Kenworth was just being delivered to Lutke Forest Products, Manton, MI and was on display at the Logging Congress, 9/03.

Owner Jason Lutke lets his drivers pick their truck color, thus the name "Big Bird". Jason must have found someone to drive it home as it can now be easily spotted "on the road" at work.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/04_01_03/lutke::s_new_wood_hauler_big_bird.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on October 07, 2003, 07:25:42 PM
Western Log Hauler. parked along the roadside waiting for a "loaded hauler" to come out of the timber harvest area's single lane haul road before it enters for its load of logs.

Note its "piggy backed"extended log trailer when traveling empty.

Tahoe National Forest, CA; 9/03

(https://forestryforum.com/images/04_01_03/western_log_hauler_tahoe_nf.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on October 14, 2003, 06:00:57 PM
Timber Harvest; Regeneration Cut. Tahoe National Forest, CA; 9/03.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/04_01_03/timber_harvest_regeneration_cut.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Kevin on October 14, 2003, 06:11:43 PM
Ron, I would think the erosion on a slope like that would be significant, what's your experience?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on October 15, 2003, 06:10:24 PM
Yes, erosion can be a problem if the resource management doesn't continue with post harvest management. Water bars are placed, vegetative seeding is done or trees are planted, survival counts are completed the 1st and 5th years with regeneration to be insured within 5 years after the harvest.

With proper management planning, implemention, monitoring, and evaluation the erosion is controlled.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Tom on October 28, 2003, 07:44:44 PM
There is a tree service in Jacksonville, quite a lucrative one, that has all new equipment.  Each of the crews was allowed to name his truck and the owner, Ben, had someone do the artwork for each one.  They were doing the job where I was sawing Live Oak at the Church in Mandarin, Fl. and I wish I had gotten pictures of each truck.  there were 5 or 6 on site.  The are emerald green with yellow art work on each one.  This one is the "The Hulk" and the driver has even stuck a hulk toy (red) in the radiator grill.
(https://forestryforum.com/images/04_01_03/tombigbenhulk01a.jpg)
The owner of the company came wheeling in this afternoon in his brand new emerald green  three quarter ton with fancy wheels, radios, and aluminum tool boxes.  Emblazoned across the front of his hood in big Yellow letters it read, "BOSS". :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on October 29, 2003, 11:03:36 AM
Some really appreciate their equipment with a "personal interest" and take pride in it. Such care and "colors" soon becomes their trade mark as well as good advertising.

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on November 05, 2003, 05:25:43 PM
Some more Truck Names.

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on November 07, 2003, 02:28:11 PM
Husky 372 XP. This sawyer is happy with his new 372 XP as he breaks it in on some white oak sawlogs. Witte timber harvest 10/03.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/04_01_03/husky_%20372_%20XP.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Kevin on November 08, 2003, 01:58:54 PM
Home brew skidder I stumbled across in a right of way.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/04_01_03/skidder1.jpg)

(https://forestryforum.com/images/04_01_03/skidder2.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Kevin on November 08, 2003, 03:53:12 PM
My best side...

(https://forestryforum.com/images/04_01_03/lookingback.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Scott on November 08, 2003, 05:25:53 PM
 Ron, the quality of the hardwood in your area really impresses me, most of the stuff around here is chipper or firewood quality. How much does a cord of that nice oak go for?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: sawman on November 09, 2003, 05:53:53 AM
 Here is our '58 Ford. (https://forestryforum.com/images/04_01_03/trucks%20001opt01.jpg)
  

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on November 10, 2003, 06:18:10 PM
Oak stumpage prices in this area run as follows depending upon quality and logging costs:

Red Oak Sawlogs:  $307.00 - $475.00 per MBF
White Oak Sawlogs: $70.00/MBF
Red Oak Pulpwood: $7.35 - $9.60/cord
White Oak Pulpwood: $7.25 - $15.85/cord
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on November 12, 2003, 09:23:00 AM
Timberjack Forwarder. Loads an oak sawlog from an oak thinning. Witte timber harvest 10/03.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/04_01_03/timberjack_forwarder_loads_oak.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: swampwhiteoak on November 13, 2003, 12:35:45 PM
Wow.  You must have really really poor white oak.  Ours probably isn't wonderful but brings significantly higher prices (300-600 MBF).
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on November 14, 2003, 06:24:07 AM
Yes, we don't have much white oak of quality. Mostly northern red oak which brings a much higher price on the stump.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: slowzuki on November 18, 2003, 12:50:39 PM
I read this entire post, that took a while! I'm in New Brunswick and cable skidders are the unit of choice for medium guys. Unfortunately they are rough on remaining trees and terrain with them and really give loggers a bad name.  Driving them through streams while skidding, knocking over unharvested trees.

Small guys use tractors and things like Bombardier Bombi's.(https://forestryforum.com/board/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.chameleoninc.com%2Fsnowcats%2FBombi%2FSideFSm.JPG&hash=385f3da1a1154fdf2cd2be8fa682279c99c817b5)
Generally the cab is not fitted, only a roll cage. A tracked pulp trailer is pulled behind and a winch is fitted front or rear.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on November 18, 2003, 04:28:35 PM
Timberjack Forwarder Picks Its Way. The operator carefully picks his way through the oak thinning to pick up sawlogs and pulpwood behind the cutter.

Care is needed so as not to damage any residual trees. Cable skidding was not permitted on this harvest. Witte timber harvest 10/03.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/04_01_03/timberjack_forwarder_picks_its_way.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Keltic on November 22, 2003, 04:06:42 PM
Outstanding bunch of photos, I just spent 2 hours going through them and enjoyed them greatly. Thanks to all, FMK
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Stump Jumper on November 22, 2003, 05:13:30 PM
WELCOME KELTIC. I ENJOY THE PICS ALSO BUT I HAVENT  SEEN THEM ALL YET . IM NEW HERE ALSO AND THERES A  LOT TO CATCH UP ON. HOPE YOU ENJOY THE INFO AND FUN :D :D :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on November 24, 2003, 01:07:24 PM
Timberjack Forwarder. Picks up another load of oak along the cutters falling lane. The oak thinning is now completed and the sale closed. Witte timber harvest 10/03.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/04_01_03/timberjack_forwarder_loading_another_bunk_of_oak.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Viking on November 25, 2003, 11:28:09 AM
QuoteThe boots are from Husqvarna, my local dealer stocks a pretty good supply.
These are kevlar, steel toes and paks.

(https://forestryforum.com/board/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.usa.husqvarna.com%2Ffiles%2FUserImages%2F1020-241x120.jpg&hash=a21322353cf406a394d117d6a1e33f4cfe1893c4)

i've got a pair that look like those, but they are made by Viking. they have ice spikes too. good boots, ive had them for 3 years and they take a lickin' and keep on kickin' ;)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: etat on November 26, 2003, 08:55:57 PM
WOW, I can't imagine seeing a tree that large, much less trying to figure out how to cut it up for lumber!  Was there really sawmills that were large enough to cut something like that?  Are there any douglas fir still living today that are that large?  I had heard of the big redwoods but I didn't know that the douglas fir could be that size.  I would like to imagine myself walking through a forrest of trees this large.  Only in my dreams probably.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Viking on November 26, 2003, 09:25:43 PM
yeah i wasa trying to picture them my self last night, apparently i would have to be a smurf haha... i wonder how tall that 22 footer was.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Stan on November 27, 2003, 12:16:48 AM
I can see some folks need an all expenses paid trip to "Mystery Trees".  8) Seein' a 300 footer growin' on another tree's branch is quite a treat.   :o
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Sawyerfortyish on November 27, 2003, 09:17:08 AM
I don't think they sawed logs that big although there may have been a couple mills that could handle logs that big. I think they blew them apart with explosives and sawed the pieces
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: etat on November 27, 2003, 10:38:05 AM
Explosives huh!  That is so cool..  I put that's how the egyptians built those pyramids too!!!!!!  
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Stephen_Wiley on November 27, 2003, 11:42:14 AM
Large trees.......yes they are still here in the NW.

This is Washington's current coastal DF

http://www.americanforests.org/resources/bigtrees/register.php?details=1956

Oregon has one 36 feet 6 inch circumference........329 feet in height.

The biggest are probably still not located in either state. 8)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Jeff on November 27, 2003, 05:30:56 PM
Vinking, I had to delete your photos. They must be under 15k and be on our server. I had some complaints about these pages loading so slow with your photos. Please format and repost only those that belong to you. Photos from other sites are NOT allowed. They MUST belong to the person uploading or you MUST have explicit permission to use them.

I don't want to dampen your enthusiasm, its great, but we have to follow some set guidelines here.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Viking on November 27, 2003, 07:35:12 PM
all of the pics were mine, and they were hosted on my own webspace,.but i know most of them were just over 22kb. ill convert them into gif, and insure they are under 15kb, then repost them, i purchased them from my friends for 1cent, now I own them, so I will post them agian :)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Jeff on November 27, 2003, 07:53:42 PM
Gif will never get under 15, and they must be on our server. I wont take the chance that a month from now our forum is full of little red x's.  Purchased photos of other peoples equipment is of little interest here. If you have photos of equipment you run or deal with and can tell us something about it thats great.

Go to tools/uploading photos to get instructions.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Viking on November 27, 2003, 07:59:39 PM
Ok, I only worked with two of those.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Jeff on November 27, 2003, 08:03:06 PM
Let us know if you need help formatting the pictures and we will give you some help or point you the right way for answers.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Viking on November 27, 2003, 08:04:06 PM
Timberjack 1410 Forwarder

(https://forestryforum.com/images/04_01_03/viking-tj1410v-forwarder.jpg)

(https://forestryforum.com/images/04_01_03/viking-tj1410-forwarder.jpg)

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Jeff on November 27, 2003, 08:05:18 PM
Perfect! Thank-you.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on December 19, 2003, 08:20:56 AM
A couple more "log hauler" names noted on the road.

"Tree Hugger"
"Fast Forward II"
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on January 17, 2004, 07:30:59 AM
C-4 Tree Farmer Cable Skidder; 1960 Vintage. Parked next to a Case 600/800 forwarder with Barko loader.

The C-4 originally had a gas engine but was converted to diesel with a 128 Ford 4 cylinder diesel engine which they tell me fits right in to it. Lee hardwoods timber harvest, 1/04.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/04_01_03/C-4_treefarmer_1960.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: ScottAR on January 17, 2004, 09:32:36 AM
Got any shots of the Case?  I had no idea they made skidders...
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on January 17, 2004, 09:36:00 AM
C-4 Tree Farmer Cable Skidder. At the landing with a Valmet forwarder decking wood and loading logs on the log hauler. Lee timber harvest; 1/04.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/04_01_03/C-4_treefarmer_at_landing.jpg)




Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Swede on January 17, 2004, 11:02:59 AM
http://www.hypro.se/welcome/welcome.htm

The girls says, -It´s not the size........ 8)

Swede
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on January 18, 2004, 08:08:17 AM
I'll get some photos of the Case when I visit the job again. The weather hasn't been very good for picture taking larely, mostly "survival".

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: ScottAR on January 18, 2004, 10:30:55 AM
I hear ya on the survival..  Many thanks...
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Keltic on January 19, 2004, 07:43:10 AM
That C 4 is very similar to my old honey, mine was made by Can Car in Ontario. Good pics thanks!
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on January 19, 2004, 03:29:38 PM
Hardwood Thinning; Selective Harvest. Valmet forwarder and Timberjack cable skidder parked near loggers pick-up; "lunch break"! Lee timber harvest; 12/03.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/04_01_03/hardwood_thinning_seletion_%20harvest.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on January 21, 2004, 02:28:55 PM
We got "blown off" this job today. Just too much snow and wind; now over two feet of snow on the hill sides. Loggers moved equipment out to other jobs further south with flatter ground and less snow.

We hope to return in March to finish this one.

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ed_K on January 21, 2004, 05:16:56 PM
 Well its nice to see, I'm not the only one battling the wind. yesterday I had tops swaying 8' to 10'. today was great, no wind even got out of the hooded sweatshirt. The biggest suprise was the skidder starting at 12*  8).
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Swede on January 23, 2004, 09:44:52 AM
Just an old swede
< http://www.elmia.se/wood/woodnews/2001/eng/torsdag/bamse.asp >
and another some years younger
< http://user.tninet.se/~irs543h/volvobm/400band.html >

Most farmers in Sweden have small areas with both woodland  and fields. With accessories like "halvband"  and using the same tractor everywhere he could save some money.
It was before the 4WD:s came and now they can hire a Timberjack to do a whole winter job in a week or two. But a Timberjack don´t leave anything, most forest here looks like fields.
I can drive many miles without facing two trees at a time thats time to harvest.  Most areas with 5-40 y.o. coniferous trees that should be thinned out years ago. Government´s and big companys behave more badly than small/private. Money, money, moey.........


Swede.

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on January 26, 2004, 08:38:28 AM
Case 600/800 Forwarder. Old unit, re-manufactured unit with Barko loader. Parked at the landing. Lee hardwood timber harvest; 1/04.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/04_01_03/case_600_800_forwarder_old.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: ScottAR on January 26, 2004, 06:47:38 PM
Many thanks!  I didn't know Case made skidders/forwarders.  Anyone have any info on them?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on January 27, 2004, 11:38:52 AM
1970 Timberjack Cable Skidder. This well maintained unit skids tree lengths off the hill side for bucking below. Lee timber harvest;1/04.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/04_01_03/1970_timber%20jack_cable_skidder.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on January 28, 2004, 02:11:32 PM
1970 Timberjack Cable Skidder. Cleaning snow from a spot at the base of the steep slope to buck up the tree lengths harvested off the hill side. Lee timber harvest; 1/04.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/04_01_03/1970_%20timberjack_cable_skidder_cleans_snow.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: UNCLEBUCK on January 28, 2004, 09:42:56 PM
just wanting to say thanks for all the great logging pictures. I hauled 4 loads one summer from palco lumber in scotia california up at the humboldt redwoods to a little place in dalton ohio where they made little backyard sheds out of those huge beautiful redwood trees   :'(, I had never seen trees or equipment that big and probably never will but the redwoods out there are something to see, back to lookin at these great loggin photos !
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on January 30, 2004, 08:59:34 AM
Bucking the Tree Lengths. Tree lengths cable skidded off the cleared ski slope area are bucked up on the flats below the slope. Lee timber harvest; 1/04.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/04_01_03/bucking_tree_lengths.jpg)


Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on January 31, 2004, 10:05:56 AM
The Valmet Forwarder takes a load of hard maple out to the landing for decking. Lee timber harvest; 1/04.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/04_01_03/valmet_forwarder_lee_hdwds.jpg)

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on February 02, 2004, 08:17:41 AM
Valmet Forwarder. Sorts its product load at the roadside landing for trucking. Lee timber harvest; 1/04.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/04_01_03/valmet_sorts_wood_at_landing.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Keltic on February 02, 2004, 02:16:37 PM
Wicked looking wood!
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on February 03, 2004, 11:28:28 AM
Getting a Load Out. The Valmet forwarder assists the "wood hauler" in loading for its 150+ mile trip to the paper mill on a blizzardy day. Lee timber harvest; 1/04.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/04_01_03/getting_a_load_out.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on February 04, 2004, 05:19:09 PM
4501 Iron Mule. Working in the winters heavy snow. Flint timber hatvest; 1/04.

 (https://forestryforum.com/images/04_01_03/4501_iron_mule_working%20_in_snow.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Swede on February 04, 2004, 10:11:46 PM
Have You heard about oxen logging? 8)
http://www.myreback.com

http://www.myreback.com/Oxen1.jpg
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on February 05, 2004, 09:53:48 AM
No, other than the "live oxens" discussed and shown elsewhere on the Forum. Is that an engined powered bunk unit and does it need another prime mover??
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Swede on February 06, 2004, 01:40:13 AM
Ron.
 
As any oxen the "iron" oxen is moving itselfe........slowly.
There is an Iron horse  ( JÄRNHÄST) to.

http://www.se.jonsered.com/index.asp

Swede.

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on February 07, 2004, 02:40:28 PM
4501 Iron Mule. Picks up a snow covered sawlog. Flint timber harvest 1/04.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/04_01_03/4501_iron_mule_flint_sale.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Kevin on February 07, 2004, 04:19:36 PM
I tried hock'n a stick or two out today but the trail is still too --Photos MUST be in the Forestry Forum gallery!!!!!--.com/photo/74882584/116791060CJRumT
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on February 14, 2004, 12:00:41 PM
4501 Iron Mule. Parked at the landing for the day. This was a "snow day" for the loggers with all schools in the area  closed due to the heavy snow. Travel was to a minimum. Flint timber harvest; 2/04.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/04_01_03/4501_iron_mule_parked,%20snow_day.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on February 15, 2004, 12:02:40 PM
4501 Iron Mule. A good "work horse" in a "tight" hardwood thinning area. Flint timber harvest; 2/04

(https://forestryforum.com/images/04_01_03/4501_iron_mule_works_well.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on February 16, 2004, 12:41:19 PM
Thinning Northern Hardwoods. Winter logging; Flint timber harvest; 2/04.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/04_01_03/thinning_northern_hardwoods_winter_logging.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on February 18, 2004, 02:37:22 PM
4501 Iron Mule Works in Northern Hardwood Thinning. Loading firewood bolts from the topwood. A good winter for firewood sales as well as sawlogs and pulpwood. Good wood utilization; Flint timber harvest; 2/04.  

(https://forestryforum.com/images/04_01_03/4501_iron_mule_loads_firewood.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on February 25, 2004, 09:18:39 AM
Some "wood-hauler" names recently noted on the road to and from the western UP.

"Fast Forward II"
"Killing Time"
"Unbelievable"
"Never Satisfied"
"Brute"
"Big Woody"

Over a 785 mile round trip, 83 "wood-haulers" were noted in route. Stretched out, that would be a few at 9.5 rigs/mile.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: mrelmertoots on March 08, 2004, 08:02:55 AM
I have not seen a crawer skidding logs on this site. I use a Cat D5B with a winch. I skid tree lenth and skid usally 2 or 3 large trees in good conditions. The crawer don't cut ruts like a skidder in soft ground.
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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Scott on March 08, 2004, 05:01:08 PM
 Hi mrelmertoots. I'd like to get a little dozer for skidding some day. Our woodlot is soft in places and needs roads put in. A D5 might be a little big for my needs but its still a nice size for sure. I agree with you on the rutting thing and thats one of the reasons I like dozers. They may not be as productive as a skidder and they may cost more to run but you can do more types of work and if you use it right you'll  leave the land in nice shape. I've seen a few operators who can steer clutch brake almost as well as one of those new hydrostatic/ differential steering machine. I'd love to see some pictures of your D5 at work.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on March 08, 2004, 05:10:57 PM
The rubber tired skidders and forwarders have pretty much replaced the crawlers for production logging. They are more efficient and effective on most jobs producing more board feet output per day.

Loggers that have crawlers here use them mostly for road construction, reconstruction, leveling and grading roads and landings, moving snow, etc. They then park them for the rubber tired units to do the tree and log moving.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Scott on March 08, 2004, 05:37:55 PM
 A lot of loggers here do most of thier road builing with junker excavators to get a rough grade built up then back drag the road with a skidder blade. The roads are usually more damaging to the environment than a old dozer road but I guess they get the added grade they want by digging deep ditches. If you want production then skidders win hands down in most situations. The ground froze up real nice here this winter and the skidders aren't doing much damage.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on March 11, 2004, 04:09:10 PM
Here is a road side 8 ' slasher.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/04_01_03/slasher.jpg)

slashing hardwood, aspen and softwood from treelength


Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Scott on March 14, 2004, 02:20:31 PM
The guy working around here has a slasher something like that except its an older Tanguay. The things pretty slow and it breaks down a lot but i guess it gets the job done. I think they cut 8 and 16 foot logs (mostly cedar) with it plus they use it for loading trucks.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on March 14, 2004, 03:12:13 PM
Yeah this slasher can cut to any length you want. I'm not sure of the model. The contractor uses it mostly on his crown land operations. We had to use this slasher because of the small diameter hardwood we were thinning in. Helped speed up production.  And it came in handy to trim up the butt rot in the fir and it also did a good job on the veneer aspen. For some reason, all my photos where from the yards. Should have taken some pictures of the job. :-/
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Scott on March 14, 2004, 03:51:58 PM
 SwampDonkey I think that slaher is a HOOD machine. The Tanguay has its saw on a slider rail and can be adjusted to most lengths. I'll try to get some pictures of the operation within this week but the film will be awhile. I'll probably be posting a bunch of snowy pictures in july  :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Scott on March 14, 2004, 03:58:30 PM
 I just watched a movie on the Quadco site with their Levesque processor in it. Pretty slick unit. Doesn't need to make a cut on the butt of the log to know where to start measuring from like a harvester head would and it doesn't need a butt plate either.

http://www.quadco.com/site/english/home.html
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on March 14, 2004, 05:06:20 PM
I had a look at the Quadco site also. Its quite slick at that small diameter wood. By the looks of the tops it must have been mainly white birch because the crowns were small. I wonder how it handles mature hardwood with big twisty tops like yellow birch. I guess its mostly for pulp processing. But I don't see it being used for other than clearcut jobs. In stands where thinning is required there would be a lot of mechanical damage to residuals and regeneration I suspect. I don't know that it would be more productive than a feller buncher and short wood processor/forwarder (3 machines versus 2 hmmm). I've seen those types of machines used on sites with thick softwood regen underneath and the regen gets a major pounding. Because the tree gets jerked back and forth to delimb and the head reaches for the wood often times grabbing a bunch of regen in its grip. In order to be productive the operator looses contact with the leave trees and focuses on that tree he's processing.

I'de like a short wood forwarder and manual felling/bucking and limbing on thinning sites. You have to cut that wood up where it falls, and fall it in such a way that the forwarder can reach the piece. But your trail system will assure you can reach every piece anyway.  Of course use directional felling, can't fall trees every which way if your going to do a good job. You'll end up passing over the same ground at different times because you can't buck the wood if its all criss-crossed either.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Tom on March 14, 2004, 07:02:58 PM
Hey!  Git that Skidder outa my way. :D
(https://forestryforum.com/images/04_01_03/tom-skidder.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Scott on March 15, 2004, 05:58:20 PM
SwampDonkey, I see quite a few Hornet/ Target processors for sale around here so i'm guessing they handle most of the stuff we'd come up against. I think theyre rated for a 24 inch log. I think most guys use them for in woods delimbing (follows the buncher around) For processing felled trees i'd think them to be more efficient than a regular dangle head harvester because you don't have to cut a slab off the butt to start measuring.Maybe they aren't all like that but any I've seen have to make that cut. I agree with you on the chainsaw thing. the machines may e fast but they can sure make a mess pretty easy.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on March 16, 2004, 03:51:28 AM
Scott:

Yes I agree with the efficiency of that head, but you still need that forwarder to pickup the pieces, load'em and transport. Plus the extra cost of that 3rd machine to buy and maintain. There is also an increased chance that wood is wasted unless care is taken to keep the short wood together and not scattered all over. Although, not a problem in most cases.

What I doen't like about some whole tree operations is the fact that your road side has a mountain of tops. What we've both mentioned for harvesting systems eleviates that problem somewhat and your tops break down quicker on site when scattered. Athough, they aren't quite as scattered as with manual felling and topping. Doing pre-commercial thinning has proven this, there's hardly a tree top that hasn't pretty well rotted out by 12 years. Those road side slash piles just stick around a long time on whole tree operations.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Frickman on March 16, 2004, 06:27:23 AM
Tom, what's that contraption for on front? Looks to me it's for piling up logs or brush.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Tom on March 16, 2004, 09:38:43 AM
It's a root rake.   It's used for general cleanup around the landng and on the skid trails and roads.  Practically a subsoiler, it will push out stumps and roots that bother trucks and other road vehicles using the woods roads and landing.  It comes in real handy when piling wind-rows or burn piles.  You'll notice that one tooth is missing.  curt lost it on the last job when the bolts loosened.   He means to put it back on soon.  



Makes the front of that skidder look real mean, doesn't it?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Frickman on March 16, 2004, 09:50:37 AM
Thanks for the explanation Tom. You'all must have sandy soild there and no rocks. Around here in our rocks and heavy clay I'd have all the teeth ripped off before the day was done.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on March 16, 2004, 10:13:45 AM
We've used those root rakes up here on abandoned farmland to clear off alder and brush. Then later, plant white spruce on the site. Been 100's of acres prepared with those. Sometimes they are on dozers. We only had limited success because some operators cleared off duff and all, which cause frost heaving problems with the planted trees.

DanG it why does water expand when frozen? :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Tom on March 16, 2004, 10:52:47 AM
It really doesn't expand, Swamp Donkey.  It's an old wives tale.  Actually what happens is that it becomes very stable and the rest of the world shrinks in the cold.  I know all about that shrinking in the cold.........don't ask. :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on March 16, 2004, 11:36:21 AM
Errmmm :-/     I won't  ::)  :o
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: beenthere on March 16, 2004, 12:14:41 PM
Yep, Tom .....my belt shrinks too, even when it isn't cold.  ;D

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on March 20, 2004, 03:46:45 PM
Delimber & Slasher. Processing wood at the landing and decking area. Ski Brule Mountain timber harvest 2/04.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/04_01_03/delimber_and_slasher.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on March 21, 2004, 10:23:15 AM
690 E John Deere Delimber. Works at the landing. Yooper Timber Cutting; Ski Brule Mt. timber harvest; 2/04.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/delimber_john_deere_690E.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on March 22, 2004, 06:11:45 AM
Prentice Slasher. Processes wood products at the landing. Ski Brule Mt. timber harvest 2/04.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/prentice_slasher.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on March 23, 2004, 04:52:55 PM
John Deere 850B Crawler with Angle Blade. Being used for road construction and building site clearing. Ski Brule Mt. timber harvest; 2/04.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/john_deere_850B_crawler_with_angle_blade.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on March 23, 2004, 06:29:16 PM
I was wondering what folks would recommend for a small forwarder. One with a 2 cord capacity bunk and a loader, 6 feet wide bunk, closed in cab. Is there one for around $35,000 USD? I was thinking about using one in commercial thinning operations with average piece size at 6 inches. My production would be 0.75 cord/hr after trail wood is cut. I remember seeing a demo on a woodlot field day and I think they wanted $80,000 CDN, which was too pricey for the production it could muster. We are starting to see a trend up this way where the price of replacing old equipment is gone too crazy, so there are very few younger folks attempting to get into the woods business after their fathers retire. I was told by someone today that he knew a fellow that would have to dish out $1.5 million to upgrade and he's now 57 years old. He says the guy is going to work with what he has and then he's done. He's even laying off 19 people and retaining his top 3 men.

cheers
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Scott on March 24, 2004, 03:38:07 PM
 1.5 million isn't actually that bad now. I saw a 455 timbco leveling buncher with a Keto 500 harvesting head for 500 thousand. I'd imagine 2 new skidders, a buncher, a delimber and a log loader would run 1.5 to 2 million easy.
 Nice looking dozer Ron, seems to be well equiped for woods work.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on March 24, 2004, 04:33:14 PM
The small timberjack and valmet forwarders are popular here along with the vintage iron mules. Most of the timber producers work with "used" pieces but they keep them maintained and in good shape.

The large producers have "big bucks" in their logging equipment and the payments don't stop during spring break-up.  :-[

The higher their costs, the more they have to produce /day.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on March 24, 2004, 04:38:12 PM
Its quite a chunk of change, just the same, when you consider that pulp and softwood sawlogs have only increased by 15% in 15 years, while machinery cost has increased 100% and trucking costs are 30 % of your gross. I wouldn't want that bill over my head. ;) You have to have alot of ground to work to pay them bills. Just to reflect a little bit. Most farms including buildings, land and equipment is barely worth that. I know first hand, we sold 850 acres (450 acres woods) 3 years ago and we had a 160 foot by 120 foot potato storage shed with 20 foot ceilings, 10 years old.  We sold the potato shed for less than half its value.

cheers
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on March 24, 2004, 05:43:16 PM
Timberjack Feller-Buncher. A tracked unit works well in heavy snow. Ski Brule Mt. timber harvest; 2/04.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/timberjack_feller_buncher.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Scott on March 25, 2004, 12:15:43 PM
 There's a lot of 6 and 8 wheel forwarders around the maritimes with those wheel tracks on, they must work well.
 SwampDonkey, a TJ 215 forwarder is a nice smaller machine, prices are decent too.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on March 25, 2004, 03:12:46 PM
Scott

Do you have a link to the 215?  I can only find the 810D or larger.

http://www.timberjack.com/products/forwarders/810D.htm
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Scott on March 25, 2004, 04:00:48 PM
 The 215 is an older machine, see them in the equipment trader now and then. Rotobec makes a nice small forwarder but I'd bet theyre pricey.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on March 25, 2004, 05:15:08 PM
The Logger's Pick-Up. The spare saw on the tail gate is a Husky 254 XP. Flint timber harvest; 2/04.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/logger::s_pick-up_husky%20254xp.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on March 26, 2004, 04:44:25 PM
Sharpening Saws. The chain saws are checked over and sharpened before starting out on a days cutting. Flint timber harvest; 2/04.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/sharpening_the_saws.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on March 28, 2004, 07:44:41 AM
Iron Mule Forwarder. Decking wood at the landing. Flint timber harvest; 2/04.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/iron_mule_decking_wood.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on March 29, 2004, 04:49:20 PM
Northern Hardwood Thinning. Selection Harvest. Flint timber harvest; 3/04.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/northern_hardwood_thinning_flint.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on March 30, 2004, 08:45:14 PM
The "Boss" and His Cutter. They ponder as to how to  best buck the large sugar maple for its best grade, Corey timber harvest; 3/04.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/boss_&_his_cutter.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on March 31, 2004, 05:39:41 PM
The Timberjack Forwarder Assists the Cutter. The large sugar maple log is rolled out of the cutter's way in the deep snow. Corey timber harvest; 3/04.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/timberjack_forwarder_moves_log.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on April 02, 2004, 05:12:25 PM
Measuring the Cuts. The cutter makes measurements on the sugar maple prior to making his sawlog cuts. Corey timber harvest; 3/04. His saw is a Husky 385XP.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/cutter_measures_for_the_cuts.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on April 02, 2004, 08:59:53 PM
I had a yard full of maple like that, but they had birds eye figure in the sapwood, not all the way to the pith. So what happened was the veneer buyer rejected them for defect and the figure buyer said the figures didn't go deep enough for his market. So, St. Anne made Kraft pulp out of'em for Eastman Kodak.  ::)

cheers
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on April 04, 2004, 08:58:12 AM
Equipment Repairs. A "moble welding unit" visits the timber harvest area for on site repairs to the iron mule forwarder. A fatiue crack needs welding. Flint timber harvest; 3/04.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/equipment_repairs_iron_mule.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Noront on April 04, 2004, 10:57:18 AM
How do you go about posting photos here. We have a bunch you might be interested in, it's at yahoo groups and is called loaderlarrys. It has pics of some forestry stuff here in north western ont.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on April 04, 2004, 03:50:55 PM
Norant,

Go to the Forum Tools bar above and Uploading Pictures.  Instuctions there should help.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on April 05, 2004, 09:03:02 AM
Vintage Crawler This D-6 Caterpillar was being used for snow removal and road and landing grading. I'm told that it is a 1946 model. The steering was "a little loose". Corey timber harvest; 3/04.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/vintage_crawler.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on April 06, 2004, 05:19:59 PM
Timberjack 230A Forwarder.  Working in a northern hardwood selection harvest. Short wood, variable length logging. Corey timber harvest; 3/04.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/timberjack_230A_short_wood_harvest.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on April 08, 2004, 09:50:55 AM
Timberjack 230A Forwarder. Sorts wood into products at the landing/decking area. Corey timber harvest; 3/04.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/timberjack_230A_sorts_products.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on April 09, 2004, 05:17:47 PM
Western Star Wood Hauler. The wood hauler gets prepared to leave the landing with a load of pulpwood during a "spring break-up" morning. The 230A  timberjack forwarder stands by for assistance. Corey timber harvest; 3/04.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/western_star_at_landing.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on April 11, 2004, 04:49:02 PM
Western Star Wood Hauler. Starts to leave the timber sale area with a load of pulpwood during spring break-up. Corey timber harvest; 3/04.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/western_star_leaves_landing.jpg)


Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on April 18, 2004, 10:18:41 AM
Western Star Wood Hauler. Assistance is needed from the 230 A Timberjack forwarder to get underway for the hill climb ahead. Spring break-up; Corey timber harvest 3/04.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/western_star_wood_hauler_with%20230A_push.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: beenthere on April 18, 2004, 11:24:19 AM
Could there be something wrong with my computer settings (monitor) because I don't see the 'forwarder' in Ron's picture at all (only an outline of the boom) unless I download the pic to photo software, and adjust the brightness considerably. Then the green forwarder stands out very clearly.
Should I adjust the monitor?  The brightness is set as 'bright' as it will go, as well as the contrast.
Not complaining, but seems I am missing details of pics with what I have set up now.
Any ideas?  Thanks
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on April 18, 2004, 12:24:37 PM
Beenthere,

I see the green timberjack ok, but I have monitor on Max brightness. Photo is a little dark though due to weather at the time and darker at the rear end of the wood hauler where forwarder is pushing.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: beenthere on April 18, 2004, 01:08:54 PM
I'm at max brightness on the monitor.
Here is how I brightened up the pic (at least I'll see if it comes out any different) by adding 'brightener'.   ;D

(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/wood_hauler1.JPG)

Sorry to clutter up your thread here, and will delete if helpful to do so.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ed_K on April 19, 2004, 08:05:04 PM
 Red pine thinning western Ma. 04-19-04.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/hauling%20red%20pine.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on April 20, 2004, 12:41:48 PM
Good to see some logging photos from other parts of the country!!!  :P
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ed_K on May 01, 2004, 06:47:26 PM
 New forwarder at the Northeast Expo.
(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/forwarder%20at%20expo.jpg)
 I need $$$  ;D.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Dom on May 06, 2004, 04:58:04 PM
 :)

I was wondering when someone would post a Rottne! I work for Rocan Forestry in Dieppe NB.  8) We are the distributor for Rottne in Canada.

http://www.rocan.com/
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: David_c on May 06, 2004, 06:24:32 PM
theres a rottne forwarder working a red pine thinning up the road. i'll try and get a picture of it to post.

i saw that one at the expo 215k with tracks and chains, thats some serious money.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Dom on May 06, 2004, 06:39:15 PM
http://www.rocan.com/equipment.htm

There are videos of Rottnes on this site, if some of you are interested.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: David_c on May 07, 2004, 05:37:33 PM
how the heck am i supposed to get this picture i wanterd to show to get on here? every time i do it it just winds up in the archive.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Tom on May 07, 2004, 09:38:27 PM
You almost had it. Read the instructions in Forum Tools at the top of the page.

The Picture was very small.  You  must have shrunk it to the 15k rather than optimizing it.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/Rottne%20rapid%20forwarder.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: beenthere on May 07, 2004, 10:18:27 PM
Tom said ""You  must have shrunk it to the 15k rather than optimizing it.  ""  

Looks like that is a clue to what I am doing wrong to. I will try to work on that.  I have one site that only takes 10k, and seems the only way I can get to 10k is shrink it. Now I will need to look into optimizing it.  I will head for the instructions tomorrow. Going to postpone taking down a windmill, as the wind is to be 20 - 25 mph and chance of thunderstorms. I'll stick to the ground and try to not become the "ground" for any lightnin bolts.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on May 08, 2004, 04:47:47 AM
Dom:

Welcome to the forum.

cheers  :)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: David_c on May 08, 2004, 03:54:27 PM
Thanks Tom but i cant seem to make them any bigger and still get them in here ::) i dont know what else to do so it looks like i wont be posting any pics. i just aint that smart i quess.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on May 09, 2004, 04:07:59 AM
Dave:

If your using photoshop, I find that it encodes some extras into the jpg image files and its hard to optimize the photo. I use fireworks and it doesn't seem to stuff the image with 'filler'.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Swede on May 09, 2004, 04:42:54 AM
I live ~30 miles from Rotte so I have seen some of them.   :) Most machines working in the forrests here are Rottne and Timberjack.

Swede.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Fla._Deadheader on May 09, 2004, 05:25:16 AM
  I use Photoshop 5.0.  Once I get the image brightness and to 100%, I just click "Image size" and change the width to 300 or less. Nearly every time, it will be under 15K. I rarely use optimizer anymore ?????????
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Jeff on May 09, 2004, 07:27:40 AM
Honest truth is, I dont use it any more either. I bought adobe photoshop 7.0 for my web graphic work and it has a save for web function with an awsome compresion tool. Bought it on Amazon but it was still pretty pricey.  It is an awsome chuck of software if you can justify it.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/stores/offering/list/-/B000063EMG/all/103-1082702-0939024
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Tom on May 09, 2004, 10:00:02 AM
It makes it kinda hard to offer instructions when there is no baselline. I recommend that Everybody is on their own. :)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Jeff on May 09, 2004, 10:10:12 AM
Tom why is there no baseline? The baseline is still the instructions we  have always given at https://forestryforum.com/upload.htm
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Tom on May 09, 2004, 10:13:45 AM
I just find that when Xat come into the conversation more folks than not talk about not using it.  If I were a just getting started, I wojld try to follow the experts, not some "outmoded piece of software.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on May 09, 2004, 11:01:00 AM
I think Photoshop is a fine piece of programming but its a bit of overkill for most folks probably and the price will likely turn most off. Just us folks that do web publishing and some commercial art works will likely want to dish out the $$ doh $$. I use photoshop for matching aerial photography for my GIS work. You can take two images and match them to your GIS Layers by stretching, rotating, rubbersheeting and adjusting the aspect within Photoshop and you can also create an Annotation Layer for your GIS. You can only do this fancy photomatching in Photoshop format( PSD or PDF). They are treated as layers and once you get the photos corrected you flatten the image to reduce the file size. Also, if your using it in a GIS it will be saved as MrSID or TIFF. I use TIFF, which also has LZW or jpeg compression. The compression isn't supported by some GIS programs as it takes a bit of CPU power and VM when your scrolling around in a Aerial photo layer  and having to decompress it for display on your GIS. I can think of one GIS program that it would be a nightmare on, and that is ArcGIS. Every pan of a layer and the HD goes screeching. In Maptitude it pans much more efficiently and your not sitting and waiting for screen updates. Plus working with aerial photography in ArcGIS costs as much money for the extension as the entire Maptitude program suite. :D ArcGIS, definately has some nice pluses over Maptitude, don't get me wrong there. But, for what I need to do, and most natural resource management folks, it doesn't justify the price. Hmm $500 for Maptitude, versus $1600 for ArcGIS? Same scenario between Photoshop and the current available freebies or shareware online. ;)

Have a look at my crafty work with aerial photography on Photoshop and Maptitude GIS

http://www.klondikekonsulting.com/orthographic.htm

The scale is 1: 12,500 (m). The black thin lines outline property boundaries and the black circles are cruise sample locations. Looking at the photo along the International boundary you might thing the line is shifted. But, no there is a narrow and long property there. I just have not included the outline of the properties south of the Meduxnekeag Stream. I don't think ArcGIS even has sign shields for N.B. highways as I've used on route 540. You should be able to see the splice between the photos. ;D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: David_c on May 09, 2004, 01:51:20 PM
trying again(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/IMG_0001.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: David_c on May 09, 2004, 02:02:47 PM

heres a picture of my work truck

(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/F350.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: David_c on May 09, 2004, 02:21:10 PM
heres another picture of the rottne from the otherside


(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/IMG_0018.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: David_c on May 09, 2004, 02:28:43 PM
heres a load of logs fromthe yale forest.






(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/load%20of%20logs.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: David_c on May 09, 2004, 02:36:30 PM
heres a picture of the job

(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/redpine%20thinning.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 09, 2004, 08:31:51 PM
Good to see some Rottne's pictured. We don't have any being used locally here that I know of.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on May 10, 2004, 02:52:27 AM
David_c

Nice work and nice pictures ta boot. :)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: David_c on May 10, 2004, 05:32:03 AM
thanks for the compliment swampdonky but i can only take credit for the pics.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Rob on May 10, 2004, 06:14:40 AM
here are a few pics of the last job we did.. Heres a pic of the 648E skid(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/648E%20Grapple%20ff.jpg)
der
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Rob on May 10, 2004, 03:34:04 PM
here are some better pictures now that they are resized thanks Jim.   Heres the back of my friends work truck .. thats my 385xp on the gate , generator,fuel cans etc..

(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/auburn3.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Rob on May 10, 2004, 03:36:08 PM
heres a pic of me skidding up over the hill before the landing(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/auburn1.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Rob on May 10, 2004, 03:39:08 PM
heres another pic of me skidding

(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/auburn2.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Rob on May 10, 2004, 03:41:28 PM
same pic as before pushing leaners over (https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/auburn4.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Rob on May 10, 2004, 03:42:56 PM
herea a pic of us skidding on top of the sandpit cliff(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/auburn8.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Rob on May 10, 2004, 03:44:32 PM
Well I have more to come soon..stay tuned  for more timber harvesting pictures from the Northeast..

                              Rob
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Rob on May 10, 2004, 04:05:08 PM
heres a pic of part of the select cut we did(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/auburn10.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Rob on May 10, 2004, 04:07:02 PM
heres anotehr pic(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/auburn11.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Rob on May 10, 2004, 04:08:12 PM
(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/auburn12.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: David_c on May 10, 2004, 04:12:11 PM
heres a picture of rob on his skidder i took today.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/IMG_0002.JPG)
heres another one

(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/robs%20c4.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 10, 2004, 05:42:43 PM
The "Cutter's Stump". The large stump of a recently harvested beech tree serves as a work place for the faller working nearby. He leaves an extra bar and chain for his 385XP, sharpening file, gas & oil, and a pair of gloves for further use as needed. Corey timber harvest; 4/04.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/cutter::s_stump.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Rob on May 11, 2004, 05:12:15 AM
on (https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/auburn16.jpg)
the skid road 3/04
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 12, 2004, 05:27:25 PM
Timberjack 230A Forwarder. Decking hardwood sawlogs at the landing. Corey timber harvest 4/04.


(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/timberjack_230A_corey_harvest.jpg)

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Dom on May 13, 2004, 05:14:43 PM
QuoteDom:

Welcome to the forum.

cheers  :)

Thanks ! Its a nice forum.  :)


I'll have to take pics of the machines at work. We have a bunch of different harvesters and forwarders, mostly what we sell though.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on May 13, 2004, 05:56:08 PM
DOM:

Did ya happen to notice how many times this thread has been read?

We except pics of any make of machinery, I'm sure. ;)

From all the Forest Forums I've came across on the web so far, this is the best maintained one and a super bunch of folks.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 13, 2004, 07:35:30 PM
Western Star Wood Hauler. Prepares to leave the landing with a load of aspen sawlogs. Doyle Logging; 4/04.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/western_star_wood_hauler_doyle_logging.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 14, 2004, 05:29:35 PM
Western Star Log Train. A load of aspen sawlogs slowly gets underway from the landing. Doyle Logging job next to one I'm currently preparing for sale; 5/04.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/western_star_log_train.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on May 14, 2004, 07:14:21 PM
MAC Trucks. Husby Forest Products, truck no 8 with a load of hemlock and cedar from the Nadin watershed (Graham Island) on the Queen Charlotte Islands. On the way to the dry land sort for scaling , then to be loaded and barged to Vancouver Island.
(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/husby-mac.jpg)


Canadian Air Sky Crane used in heli-logging operations in sensitive areas on the Queeen Charlottes. The engineers do maintenance on the huge engine. 20,000 lb lift capacity.
(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/skycrane.jpg)

Vancouver Island Helicopters taxi the crew to a landing on top of Sommerville Island in NW BC, just east of Porcher Canal and near the mouth of the Khutzeymateen Grizzly Bear Sanctuary on the main land. 45 minutes return flight from Prince Rupert,BC.
(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/VIH.jpg)

The crew get ready to descend down slope to the work site to mark out stands for heli-logging on Sommerville Island in BC. Near Porcher Canal.
(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/swampdonkey.jpg)

Wait don't leave me here on this deserted island with these guys :D :D ;D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Jeff on May 14, 2004, 07:54:17 PM
Ron, did you ask where those aspen logs were going? We have been buying 10's from Doyle lately. Seeing is is is a whole load of ten's I bet they are coming here. Looks like what they been hauling. Some of them a little on the small side. :(

Nice pics there Donk
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 15, 2004, 02:12:23 PM
Jeff,
No I don't know just where Doyle was taking the aspen sawlogs to other than were he was getting "top dollar" for them. If Ray is paying "top dollar" that may be where they are going. They're coming from the Lazy Lake Gun Club property in Fork Township, Mecosta county. Doyle is using the access across the Mike Austin property which we are currently prepairing for sale. 400 acres of oak, aspen etc to work over there.

Do you know when Jake plans to get started on the Dean Sale here north of Cadillac? The landowner is getting anxious.

I'm also working on a small sawlog sale down near Temple north of the Trevino Sale that Billsby done for me a few years ago so Jake might be interested in this one when I get it out on the bid market. This constant wet weather and UP trips has put things behind some.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on May 15, 2004, 02:44:29 PM
Close-up view of the sky crane engine and the maintenance engineers.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/SkycraneE.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Jeff on May 15, 2004, 02:55:05 PM
Its us then. Hes paying more then anybody.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 15, 2004, 06:11:10 PM
Timberjack 230A Forwarder; Proctor Logging The forwarder transports hardwood sawlogs to the landing. Corey timber harvest; 5/04.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/Timberjack_%20230A_forwarder_proctor_logging.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 16, 2004, 05:09:29 PM
More Wood Hauler Names Noted:

* Dyer's Tonka Toy
* Polish Express
* Brute
* Big Woody
* Alecia Taylor
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Tillaway on May 17, 2004, 08:27:01 AM
The Truck naming must be regional.  I have seen only one area in Eastern Oregon where this was done.  Everybody else just uses numbers, sometimes the drivers name is on the door just under the window.  I passed "Grumpy" the other day, the name looked fitting. ;D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 17, 2004, 06:30:19 PM
Truck naming seems to be most popular with the wood haulers here. The company or truck owner's name is often panted on a plate on top of the cab and on the cab doors.

The truck's name (not all are named) is usually painted on the nose over the grill. Where there's a stainless grill as many of the newer ones are, the name may be on the side panels behind the cab doors.

The trucks are usually named by the owner or the owner allows his hired driver to name it. It's just a fun thing with me to note the different truck names and then note where I may see that truck again. Some put a lot of miles between places.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Swede on May 18, 2004, 01:49:17 AM
That Timberjack 230A Forwarder on the picture from Jeff.........For me it looks too short. Has anyone cut one axle and 9' off or is it how they make them for US market? ::)

Most logs here is 10 to 20', Just small thinning out logs and pulp wood is 8' 4"

Swede.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Swede on May 18, 2004, 01:53:20 AM
Sorry! :o that picture was sent from Ron!  ::)

Blind Swede.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Gary_C on May 18, 2004, 01:10:51 PM
Swede,
That is what we call a single bunk forwarder. It is just like my Valmet 644 and is used for shortwood (100 inch long) wood, although I have hauled some 10',12', and even 16 footers. It is very useful in close quarters because the axles are the same distance from the center pivot and so the rear wheels follow exactly in the tracks of the front wheels.
I don't think any manufacturer is selling the single bunks anymore as everyone wants to get bigger and go to a 6 or even 8 wheel double bunk with 4 uprights. Even though I can out manuever a double bunk any day, I wish I had a double bunk so I could sort more while loading and I sometimes need the bogey wheels and tracks under the load for flotation.
The other problem with single bunks is most manufacturers are now mounting the loader on the rear section and a single bunk does not have enough weight to keep from tipping over when you reach out to the side with the loader. They must compensate with shorter loaders and automatic pivot locks but that has not been enough.

Gary
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 18, 2004, 05:16:03 PM
The single bunks are very popular here for "short wood" operations, though they will carry variable lengths up to 17 feet as max. Many private land owners just don't want the "big stuff" in their woods.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Swede on May 19, 2004, 06:15:37 AM
I think many people here use to big forest machies and tractors. One with 80 acre, stands in every ages, have an old vreck, Volvo 868. If he had a 4-WD tractor with half the power + loging trailer with 4-WD it could make the same job as that old vreck. + a lot more than just hauling logs less than 50 hours a year.
I also know one with more than 100 acres using a Fordson Dexta or a Volvo 400. That´s a little crazy too but he use them much more  for harvesting hay.

Many  people here just looks for tractors with 80-130HP, doesn´t matter how small areas they have, forest or agriculture. ::)

I DO understand the need for them short forwarders!  :) Think I could see them here if we had some hardwood and cut short logs. But the loader at rear end at a forwarder ..... :o and  why? ???

About sorting during loading, I´ve seen some trailers with 2  uprights in the middle for easyer sorting. Sometimes they load much more on one side than the other........Then it doesn´t work!  ;D

Swede.

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 19, 2004, 06:08:55 PM
Bucking Sugar Maple Sawlogs. The Husky 385 XP is the saw of choice by this feller. Corey timber harvest; 5/04.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/bucking_sugar_maple_sawlogs.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Tom on May 19, 2004, 06:24:49 PM
That's where the infamous "bow-saw" would make for an easier day.  .......if it were used properly...... :P :)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Gary_C on May 19, 2004, 10:20:16 PM
Swede,
The first forwarders had the loader mounted on the rear of the front section just in front of the pivot. Some even had the loader mounted on the cab roof. When it came time to drive ahead, you had to find a level place on the load to set the grapple and put the swing, graple rotate, and up-down controls in the float position so the loader would follow the rear section as you turned or drove over humps. If you did not find a good level spot, the graple would fall off the side of the load, usually taking all 4 hoses off quicker than you could say "Aw Shucks."   :'(

Been there.  Sometimes you get lucky and only lose 1 hose. Incidentally in MN if you spill over 5 gallons of hydraulic fluid, you are required to call the Duty Officer and report the spill.

The newer models now have the loader mounted on the front of the rear section, just behind the pivot. You can just leave the loader over the middle of the load, no float needed,  This way you do not need 4 spare hoses, wrenches, and extra hydraulic fluid.  8)

The problem with the loader on the rear section is most of the weight when empty is in the front section. However they have added a hydraulic swivel lock between the front and rear that is automatically locked except when you are driving. Some adventurous operators will swing the grapple and manually unlock the swivel to grab that log that is just out of reach.

Gary

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Swede on May 20, 2004, 08:53:06 AM
Eric;
"The newer models now have the loader mounted on the front of the rear section, just behind the pivot"

That´s where we have placed the loaders the last 40 years and I think it´s what You ment earlier.
On tractors with forest equipments from the -50 and -60´s some loaders here too was placed on the roof. Have never seen a forwarder built that way.

Swedish log trucks have their loaders on the rear end of the bed so they can load even the trailer. They also have a cab on the loader!
I have never seen a semi truck with logs here. Driving off the asphalt they should be in the mud for ever.  :D

http://www.vemservice.se/0245160.htm

-50 and -60´s:  http://hem.passagen.se/vaxjobilfrakt/gast/gastbilder1.htm
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: David_c on May 20, 2004, 11:22:03 AM
hey swede heres a picture i copied from an ad by lakeshore equipment and truck sales in lumberman's equipment digest.
i hope this is o.k Jeff
(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/roof%20mount%20forwarder.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 20, 2004, 03:06:54 PM
Timberjack 230A Loading Sugar Maple Sawlog. Corey timber harvest; 5/05.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/timberjack_230A_loads_.sugar_maple_sawlog.jpg)


Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Tom on May 21, 2004, 04:39:57 PM
It doesn't have to be fancy :)
(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/tom-chas-supermajor.jpg)

It's an old Super Major with a front end loader and an attached backhoe.  
The skid hook was being used on the loader to pick up logs to carry
to the sawmill.  The backhoe was used to get logs out of the woods.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on May 21, 2004, 07:49:19 PM
Gary_C or Ron Scott:

Does anyone use 'Spill Check' on their hydrologics down that way. It comes in handy with busted hydrolic hoses.

www.spillcheck.ca
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 22, 2004, 10:37:41 AM
Not that I know of. Not sure anyone has heard of it here.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 23, 2004, 08:46:36 AM
Cutter Trims His Tops. Tops are trimmed so as to lie within 4 feet of the ground in this hardwood selection harvest. The saw in use is also a Husky 385XP. Corey timber harvest; 5/04.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/cutter_trims_tops.jpg)


Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 25, 2004, 01:27:15 PM
Sawyer Starts Cut on Large Sugar Maple. The saw in use is a Husky 372XP. Squires timber harvest; 5/04.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/sawyer_starts_cut.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 27, 2004, 04:41:57 PM
Timber! The faller exits to a safe distance with his Husky 372XP in hand as the sugar maple starts its directional fall. Squires timber harvest; 5/04.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/timber_falling_sugar_maple.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Jeff on May 27, 2004, 07:31:12 PM
Dont see no chaps.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: chet on May 27, 2004, 07:46:29 PM
A lot of guys wear saw pants that have the chaps sewn on the inside. There is another variation, where the chaps snap on the inside of the pants and tuck into pockets located further down the leg. Thats the style I prefer. I use the same chaps inside my carhart bibs,blue jeans or whatever.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 28, 2004, 07:36:20 PM
Chet,

Thanks for the explanation on some of the chap types. That's what this faller is wearing. The chaps are in the pants, a nice looking jean type pant held up by heavy duty suspenders (I'd like to have a set of these myself). He's also wearing a carhart padded jacket, kevlar gloves, new helmet with ear muffs and face screen, kevlar boots etc.

He's one of our better fallers and one of the "best" dressed though not all is visible in the photo.

I haven't seen a faller without chaps or armored pants in ages though I've seen some well worn chaps.

Another photo will show a close up when I can get to it to see the PPE closer while he's bucking the tree.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on May 29, 2004, 04:21:52 AM
I've seen lotsa of people here without protection. But, they tend to be the weekend cutter or people working their own ground. Anyone working for a contractor has protection, but if WCB wasn't on their case there would be a few not bother. That's just human nature. My father would be one of those working his own ground without any kind of protection. One of them live for ever types who's now half deaf of course. ;)

One should always be geared up for the woods, especially if he/she is working alone. You can do alot of personal injury in a short time.  ::)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 29, 2004, 06:01:36 PM
Feller Bucks the Sugar Maple into Sawlogs He is wearing safety pants, padded carhart jacket, hard hat with hearing and eye protection, gloves, and safety boots.

His saw is a Husky 372XP. Squires timber harvest; 5/04.

 (https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/feller_wears_his_ppe.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on June 02, 2004, 06:28:48 PM
Teamwork.l The forwarder operator helps the tree faller with bucking the heavy sugar maple tree. The tree is lifted to assist the tree faller with bucking the tree into sawlog lengths and prevent possible "pinching" of the saw.

Squires timber harvest; 5/04.

 (https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/teamwork_treefaller_forwarder.jpg)


Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on June 03, 2004, 02:35:28 AM
That's big stuff. On crown land last week I was in a maple stand and those big ones are all dead with just big pecker pole stubs left. The average diameter was 10 inches and this stand had never been logged.  Its just that the old trees have lived their life. So the short of it is, you might as well use those big trees in pulp or logs or maybe veneer cause they don't live forever. But, they have value as wildlife trees too, for owls, pileated wood peckers and such. Depends on what your values are. ;)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on June 06, 2004, 03:00:02 PM
230A Timberjack Forwarder Loads Large Sugar Maple Sawlog. Squires timber harvest; 5/04.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/timberjack_230A_forwarder_loads_large_sugar_maple.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: swampwhiteoak on June 15, 2004, 07:33:39 PM
Here's a harvest we did at one of the forests I work at last fall.  Salvage Harvest on steep terrain, we decided to do something different.  Carson Helicopters was the contractor.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/s61.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: swampwhiteoak on June 15, 2004, 07:38:17 PM
Carson uses a modified Sikorsky S-61.  The max lift is a little over 5 tons, a typical turn weighed 4 tons, or somewhere around 600MBF Doyle.  Logs were bucked in the woods prior to lifting.  Turns on this job took 45secs-2mins.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/howbig.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: swampwhiteoak on June 15, 2004, 07:44:31 PM
Organization on this type of harvest is important.  When a turn lands, the co-pilot of the chopper releases the chokers.  These guys hurry out and unhook the chokers and recoil them.  Once every 2-3 turns they attach more chokers to the long line at the landing and take more chokers to the "hookers" in the woods.  Our staff got excited when we heard the "hooker crew" was coming only to be disappointed when they all turned out to be middle-aged men  :D
(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/chokerpullers.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: swampwhiteoak on June 15, 2004, 07:49:32 PM
Large choppers use a lot of fuel.  Typical refuels were once every 1.5-2hrs.  Weight is also an issue so they usually wouldn't fill up completely.
(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/fueltrucks.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on June 15, 2004, 07:49:34 PM
That's cool swampwhite. On the BC coast they used the sikorsky as support helicopter to bundle the wood for the sky crane which had 20,000 lb lift. Didn't know it was cost effective to use'm in the east. Were you cutting veneer logs?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: swampwhiteoak on June 15, 2004, 07:53:26 PM
Carson is nearly full-service, they provide their own loader.  Not sure the model but it's a cat track loader, can work effeciently even in a wet landing.  This harvest produced 680MBF Doyle, I had cruised it at 1MMBF International (for all grades).  Low grade and pulpwood had to be left in the woods due to economics.  I was pleased at the utilization, I had feared that it would be much worse.
(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/loading.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: swampwhiteoak on June 15, 2004, 07:59:00 PM
QuoteThat's cool swampwhite. On the BC coast they used the sikorsky as support helicopter to bundle the wood for the sky crane which had 20,000 lb lift. Didn't know it was cost effective to use'm in the east. Were you cutting veneer logs?

It's borderline cost-effective.  It can make money but compared to conventional it isn't even close.  The advantages were speed, being low impact, and being able to reach areas that would have been near impossible with conventional equipment.  Disadvantages were that it's expensive so we get less utilization, lower stumpage prices, and the stand has to be good to even consider it.  It also cut out the local loggers.

A sawmill bought the job so I couldn't say the entire breakdown of what the wood went for.  There was a lot of large diameter trees -white oak, black oak, yellow-poplar, and some cherry, walnut, and red oak.  I'm certain a lot of it went veneer but it was mainly just nice sawlogs.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on June 15, 2004, 08:08:09 PM
None of us would expect ya to give that private info about total $$, but price per thousand by species and grade would be nice. If nothing else, its nice to know what mill delivered prices are in different areas. ;)

Thanks for the photos and the scoop.

Cheers :)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: swampwhiteoak on June 15, 2004, 09:02:01 PM
well I can tell you this much:

This type of harvest will cost between 300-500/MBF for logging and loading.  Total cost depends on many factors and I don't want to go into the exact numbers.  It also takes a buyer that can handle 20-30 tractor trailers of sawlogs per day.  

This stand would have probably gone for 350-400 MBF when it was standing for conventional harvest.  After our ice storm which higher logging costs it would have probably been around 250/mbf.  We got 51/MBF for the total 1MMBF stumpage, which they probably took 80%.  Conventional Logging costs in this area were roughly 180-200MBF before the ice storm, and are now 225-260.  You can run the math and figure out how much a log needs to be worth to maximize return on a lump sum basis.

Mill delivered state-wide averages are available on the web, let me search for that link.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: swampwhiteoak on June 15, 2004, 09:04:33 PM
http://www.dnr.state.oh.us/forestry/Landownerasst/TPR0104.htm
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on June 16, 2004, 05:46:01 AM
Swampwhite, nice link to the prices. I was surprised to see red oak was worth more than white oak, cause around here it goes for pulp unless someone gathers it up for a small saw mill operator to mill some lumber. Its not real common here is the main reason, and they tend to be quite limby. I'm glad to see black cherry prime is fetching big bucks. Again only small quantities here and its diseased, so a small mill owner will save some out for sawing. Mostly ends up as pulp or left standing. They can get it from the NE states here for around $900-$1200/th in log form for veneer, its sometimes in the loads with oak so it gets separated out.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on June 23, 2004, 06:34:58 AM
Here  (http://www.forestnet.com/archives/March_04/contractor_profile2.htm) is a profile from the Logging and Sawmilling Journal on using the Ergo harvester and Buffalo forwarder. I know both the owner and the Forest Tech in the article. (March 2004 issue)

cheers
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Scott on June 29, 2004, 10:32:26 AM
 I see on Paul_H's site it says his company does shovel logging. This is one method I've yet to see mentioned on this thread. Maybe someone can shed some light on the topic. From what I gather its getting really popular in the west.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on June 29, 2004, 04:23:35 PM
Scott,

There are several photos of "shovel logging" machines in the thread. The harvesting and skidding is performed by swing machines successively moving trees or stems from one pile to another in the direction of the skid. They are typically track machines.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on June 29, 2004, 05:32:08 PM
Its usually called hoe chucking with excavator type equipment. Then there is the super snorkler used in grapple yarding to yard up to a road landing and a mobile back spar/tower is used along the lower cut block boundary to clear the ground with the load. If your yarding down hill you usually use spar trees to anchor the line, especially on slopes over 50 %. The coutour maps were so poor or too small a scale we had to run deflection lines all over the cut block to make our own contour maps. (the last link below has a PPT presentation to explain this) We didn't want to lay out road that would have blind spots to the yarders and create deep gouges in the hillside. This is what we called the side hill gouger. On them side hills with damage you could always expect slope failures during or after the site was logged. As we layed out the logging blocks we also assessed any gullies (gully assessment procedure) for potential risk of slope failure from slash and large wody debris loads in the gully systems. Some of our blocks had to be defered from logging because of this risk.

 ere's an Article on hoe chucking  (http://www.forestnet.com/archives/Dec_Jan_03/bc_coastal_logging.htm)

 Article on Grapple Yarding  (http://www.forestnet.com/archives/april_00/alberta.htm)

 Photo set of different Yarders  (http://www.cnr.vt.edu/visser/cable_logging/Yarders.htm)  

 Here's a Power Point Presentation  (http://www.cnr.vt.edu/visser/cable_logging/How%20it%20works.ppt)  from VT.EDU to explain the cable yarding system.

Enjoy. :)



Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Scott on June 30, 2004, 07:00:55 AM
 So it sounds like shovel logging is best suited to heavier cutting. It doesn't sound like it would work really good in select cuts or for the private woodlot owner who just wants to take a few sticks out. From what gather it's usually used on ground too wet or steep for skidders. In Canada it seems to be mostly a BC thing. How would a shovel compare to a grapple skidder for productivity?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on June 30, 2004, 06:47:17 PM
I haven't any numbers Scot on productivity but the Grapple Skidder would be more productive. We layed out ground inland from the coast up in the Nass River country in BC for grapple skidder. There where alot of natural benches in the hills to break the long slopes. SOme sites where borderline though and we always had the option of the grapple yarder. As you have read or researched, the hoe chuck system is used in the rain belt of the coast where a skidder wouldn't have a chance in all that goose goo soil and slopes. I'de like to call it something else but this being family oriented. errm ;) Walk ahead 2 steps slide back 1. :D :D You  could find info published by FERIC on productivity of these machines. UNBSJ must have some reports in their library, you could browse Ferics website for the specific reports and go search them at the library. Irving probably has a subscription as does Fraser/Nexfor to FERIC, so you might find a report through them.

 FERIC website  (http://www.feric.ca/en/mempartner/reports/index.php?year=2003)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on June 30, 2004, 06:54:23 PM
I guess there may be differences as to what we call "shovel logging" in different parts of the country. Here, it is a cutting head on an excavator  or "shovel" type machine with an arm and turnbuckel. Usually a tracked machine that does the cutting and processing into variable lengths.

It is usually supported by a rubber tired forwarder to remove the cut products.

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on June 30, 2004, 07:20:14 PM
Ron:

Sounds like a feller buncher and a separate forwarder.

We used to be menaced by the Koering Feller Forward that would cut the tree at the stump and pile it on behind whole. It would be forwarded to a landing where a flail debarker was used on the tree, limbs and all and then passed through a chipper and into a van destined to the hardwood pulpmill. What those monsters didn't cut was simply pushed over and mauled over.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Bruce_A on June 30, 2004, 09:07:24 PM
Crawler, high lead, rubber tired skidder, or shovel yarding.  Done them all at least once.  No buncher involved,  there is no way anything else can keep up with a shovel on slightly sloping ground.  Some places a buncher will make you puke with the steepness of the ground it will cover.  And the operators are as  near to crazy as one person can get.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on July 01, 2004, 04:24:41 AM
Bruce_A

They use them feller bunchers up and down our hardwood hills here if they are rolling, and if they are steep pitched and bouldery, no way. I think Fraser's has used some high lead logging with spar trees around Clear water and Stanley mountains, which didn't get logged back in the 70's and early 80's conventionally. Now those ridge tops are all scalped down to the bed rock. Growing back to white birch, black spruce and fir mainly, just like after a forest fire.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Scott on July 02, 2004, 12:50:25 PM
 Swamp Donkey, from what I've seen on the internet it seems like they use shovels a lot more than track skidders on steep slopes out there. Is this because the shovels can tackle a steeper slope or just bcause most companies already have a shovel around?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Scott on July 02, 2004, 12:52:47 PM
Swamp Donkey, i think this is what you mean.
http://www.unb.ca/web/standint/nbcc/machine/forwarders/kff_a.html
 The one at the woodsmans museum is a bit different, I believe it has a delimber and is set up for shortwood. I think i have a pic of it around somewhere.
http://www.stthomasu.ca/~pmacdona/tresearch/ffh.htm
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on July 02, 2004, 02:14:30 PM
Yup that's the beast and Valley Forest didn't use a delimber or slasher for their hardwood rape and pillage. They just unloaded the trees road side off the Koering and the debarker crammed limbs and all into it and the chipper spurt the chips into the van. I know the debarkers had to convert from gas engine to diesels. I think Valley burnt more than one engine up before the switch.

The site that Zundel has was probably a Fraser operation, they were always colaberating with UNB on studies with machines and processes. Zundel was a new professor at UNB when I graduated. Didn't care for'em too much as a professor or for chat. I think the position went to his head. He could have lightened up a bit since those days. ;)

I remember Frasers using them in hardwood to chase softwood, so alot of hardwood was wasted on crown lands, and no one was allowed to utilize it for firewood. The roadsides had thousands of cord rotting and some was burnt in fall. Everyone used to spray the white birch on the boreal sites, or if it was left after the softwood was cherry picked it died from sun scald within 3 years.

Your right about the Koering at the museum, now that I think about it. Its been 15 years since I've been there. ;D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: sawmillsi on July 10, 2004, 06:40:06 AM
whats with all the axels on the log truacks over your way??? ???

In Australia, standard log trucks have either single or double steer axels, bogie drives and tri trailor axels

simon
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: slowzuki on July 14, 2004, 12:24:59 PM
QuoteZundel  

Zundel as in Dr. Pierre?  Did some work for him on a  horse drawn grapple skidder project.  Usually dealt with his grad student though.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on July 14, 2004, 05:40:06 PM
SwampDonkey nods  ;D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on July 15, 2004, 06:49:29 PM
Some more log hauler names noted "on the road".

"Double vision
"Hello Darling"
"I Love The Money"
"Double Trouble"
"Who's Next?"
"Money Pit"
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Cedar Eater on July 23, 2004, 09:31:43 PM
Quotewhats with all the axels on the log truacks over your way??? ???

In Australia, standard log trucks have either single or double steer axels, bogie drives and tri trailor axels

simon

I don't know which picture you're looking at, but I would guess the trucks with lots of axles travel on roads with a low peraxle weight limit. Most likely, that would be due to steep slopes or Winter and Spring road conditions. That's the case with gravel haulers, so I'm assuming it applies to logging trucks.

Cedar Eater
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on July 29, 2004, 10:52:12 PM
Logger's Pickup. Tailgate up.

Lee timber harvest; 7/04.
[(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/logger::s_pick_up_tail_gate_up1.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: sprucebunny on July 30, 2004, 05:13:58 AM
That's one a them fancy loggers pick-ups. Round here the loggers all got oil and dents painted on the tailgate.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on July 30, 2004, 05:39:35 PM
Logger's Pick-up. Tailgate down.

Lee timber harvest; 7/04

(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/logger::s_pick-up_tail_gate_down2.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on August 11, 2004, 06:02:16 PM
Timberjack 230A Turbo Forwarder. Loading pulpwood and firewood. Dean timber harvest; 7/04.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/timberjack_230A_j_budd.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on August 13, 2004, 06:25:59 PM
Loading the Wood Hauler With Sawlogs For Jeff's Mill.
Dean timber harvest; 7/04.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/loading_sawlogs_dean_sale.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: redpowerd on August 13, 2004, 09:25:23 PM
so those logs are goin to jeff_b?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on August 16, 2004, 07:52:04 PM
Tightening The Binders Before "Hitting the Road". Yes, the logs will be going to the mill where Jeff is sawyer.
Dean timber harvest; 7/04.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/tightening_the_binders_j_budd.jpg)


Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: RMay on August 16, 2004, 08:24:50 PM
Ron what length is the logs on the truck , dose the log trucks have to have a wide load permit . ???
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Cedar Eater on August 16, 2004, 09:31:56 PM
QuoteRon what length is the logs on the truck , dose the log trucks have to have a wide load permit . ???

I can answer that. In Michigan, the limit is 8' for not needing a wide load permit, but for logs stacked sideways, they allow 100" (8' 4"). That gives the mill a tolerance.

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Jeff on August 17, 2004, 04:41:59 PM
I believe The actual width limit here is 102 inches but may be wrong.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on August 23, 2004, 06:37:08 PM
Leaving The Landing For The Mill. On its way to the mill with a sawlog load. The sawlogs are in 100" lengths and within the 9 foot width limit. A wide load permit is not necessary. They must be loaded properly without excess overhang.

Dean timber harvest; 7/04

(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/leaving_the_landing_j_budd.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on August 28, 2004, 07:53:18 AM
Bucking Sugar Maple Sawlogs. Working in heavy foliage and ground cover. Can you see the "two" cutters at work? Lee timber harvest; 8/04.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/bucking_sugar_maple.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: beenthere on August 28, 2004, 09:00:48 AM
One on the right has an orange hard hat and the one on the left has an orange saw.  Had to brighten up the image to find them.  Looks like fun.  :)

(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/buckingsugarmaple.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: DanManofStihl on August 29, 2004, 05:39:05 AM
That is a problem with heavy folage it does not make that safe of a working environment but as long as your care ful I had one guy that put his saw down next to him the chain still had alittle speed and it cut this other guys boot you have to be real careful. You can never have enough orange
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on August 29, 2004, 06:25:54 PM
Working in Heavy Foliage. Heavy foliage makes hard work for the cutters with added safety concerns. Often, all that can be seen is their "orange" hard hats and "orange" chain saws. The hill side work here also has added risks. Lee timber harvest; 8/04.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/cutting_in_heavy_foliage1.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on August 30, 2004, 03:42:39 AM
I can imagine those thickets are shrubs and young hardwood. Add some balsam fir undergrowth to that and its like working in the closet with no view to the crowns of the harvest trees. A person has to take time and cut that stuff out for safety exits. I hope them trees are worth it. ;)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on August 30, 2004, 07:43:53 PM
Yes, the sugar maple sawlogs in this area are worth it, but some tough logging.

This is still in the same area where we cleared a ski slope on last winter until we were "blown out " by the constant heavy snow. Earlier photos on this tread show the ski slope harvest and winter conditions.

Hopefully we will be done in this area in another month.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on August 31, 2004, 07:30:05 AM
Yup, I've been following your posts and pictures Ron. :) Hardwood on most ski hills above 400 meters in this area are nothing but shrubby short pulpwood. Look nice from a distance and in fall colors, but that's about it. Crabbe mountain has better hardwood, but its not that high in elevation. It juts up from the fringe of the New Brunswick lowlands.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: timberjack_teen on August 31, 2004, 04:51:49 PM
I found this website a couple days ago... its very very interesting to see the different kinds of operations that are around. I was lookin through all the pages of the different kinds of methods, n i taught to myself, "i sure would like to show these guys the equipment i run and work around" well... a couple pages later i see a picture with a 690stroke delimber and a prentice 210 slasher sittin on a landin. I found it very odd considering we have both them machines... i then scroll down and sure enough there is a couple more picutres... THen i realize THAT IS OUR EQUIPMENT!!! lol... funny how that worked. We have an interesting operation. 5 brothers and me a nephew. We run a CTL operation and what we call a "full tree" operation, what involves the slasher delimber fellerbuncher n skidder. I'm the forwarder operation. I run a 1110d Jack. I run behind a 1270d(there is a picutre of it one this site a couple pages back) Any body have questions?... i'd love to answer em...

Scott
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Jeff on August 31, 2004, 05:02:22 PM
timberjack_teen, who do you work for? Maybe I know of them if they work in Michigan.  Was it one of your guys that is on here too that posted the pictures? Thats pretty interesting about finding your own equipment on here!  :)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on August 31, 2004, 05:24:25 PM
Yup, that sure makes for an interesting conversation finding out your equipment is posted in a forum and not knowing it. ;)  Timberjack_teen, stick around and I'm sure someone will throw a question or two your way. Just one thing, we kinda gotta know which page in the thread to look for that equipment before we start sling'n them questions, she's a purdy long thread ya know. ;)

This thread is probably one of the most popular threads of the forum, thanks to all the find folks that contributed and posted pictures.  8)

cheers
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: timberjack_teen on August 31, 2004, 09:09:04 PM
I work for Piwarski Brothers Logging. and no it was none of them that posted the pictures on this site. The pictures are one page 31 of this thread. there is 4 pictures i believe, one of the delimber and slasher, one of the delimber, one of our 850 and one of our 1270.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on September 01, 2004, 04:05:51 PM
Timberjack_teen,

Piwarski Brothers Logging is well known there in Iron River and some good people. I was visiting Ski Brule Mt. and my friend Steve Polich there last winter and noted your logging operation going on there near the chalet area parking lot.
It had a good diversity of equipment in a small area so it made for some good logging equipment photos. I was never able to catch someone on site though. Were you working there then?

I'm from Iron River also. I'd like to get out on a "big job" with you some time when I'm back up that way.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on September 02, 2004, 07:49:28 AM
The Noon Lunch-Break. The "boss" checks in with the mill office with his cell phone while his cutter sharpens the 395 Husky's for the afternoon's work. Lee timber harvest; 8/04.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/noon_lunch_break.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: DanManofStihl on September 02, 2004, 06:20:32 PM
I always like to keep five or six spare chains so I do not have to sharpen them in the field I think that is a pain in the butt. Nice looking truck though f250 or f350. I have to wait for my dakota to die to get a truck like that.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on September 08, 2004, 08:17:52 AM
Repairs Are Needed. The harvest crew work to repair the Valmet forwarder. Its' boom doesn't work due to a worn "O ring" in the control box. A large hex wrench  is needed for the job which they don't have in their tool box. They try to improvise. Lee timber harvest; 8/04.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/repairs_needed_valmet_544X_forwarder.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on September 15, 2004, 05:20:54 PM
A Load of Quality Sawlogs. Ready for delivery to Wheelers Wolf Lake Sawmill. Lee timber harvest; 8/04.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/a_load_of_quality_hardwoods.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: CosmoPack on September 16, 2004, 09:52:03 AM
(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/pren384c.jpg)

Finally figured out how to post an image!

This is a Prentice 384 in North Carolina processing Loblolly pine - largest butts 26"
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Tom on September 16, 2004, 02:58:53 PM
Welcome, CosmoPack!

You're a pretty quick study to get it on the first post.  :D :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: CosmoPack on September 17, 2004, 09:26:49 AM
I had to make several attempts before I figured it out!  I've got a lot of photos of logging in the south and overseas too!  I've got to scan a few of them in and add to the gallery.  
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on September 17, 2004, 04:16:16 PM
As always, It's great to see some other region timber harvest methods & equipment.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on September 19, 2004, 05:58:57 PM
A Load of Veneer Logs Heads North on the Freeway.
H-131 north; 8/04.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/veneer_logs_head_north.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on September 20, 2004, 05:35:32 PM
FabTech FT-133 Processor. Working in red pine. Deschermeir timber harvest; 8/04.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/fabtech_ft-133_working_red_pine.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on September 22, 2004, 06:07:15 PM
FabTec FT-133 Processor. Moves through the landing and decking area on to the next timber stand for processing. Deschermeir timber harvest; 8/04.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/fabtech_ft-133_moves_thru_landing.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on September 24, 2004, 04:05:00 PM
Here is some work a college of mine is doing near Miramichi Lake, 10 miles south of Juniper, NB. The harvesting is being done for Fraser Sawmills in Juniper, NB.  I've been helping with trail layout this week for a couple days. We are in mixedwood stands of balsam fir, red spruce, maple and birch species. The prescription is to remove the mature fir. Any softwood in the trails, except white pine are also taken. Its a challenge on some sites working with the terrain. I forgot to snap a shot of one of the rocky peeks I encountered today. 20-30 % of the volume is being harvested.

The Timber Jack 608B processor out on the yard. The crew has gone home for the weekend. Its Moose season. ;D
(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/processor1.jpg)

(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/processor2.jpg)

Felling head, close-up
(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/processor3.jpg)

TimberJack 230A forwarder, idle on the yard. It rests against the toolshed truck to secure the tools against theft. An all too common occurance in the woods.
(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/forwarder.jpg)

(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/forwarder2.jpg)
6 foot tall, high flotation tires.

Here's some wood, red spruce and balsam fir sawlogs.
(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/processed2.jpg)

Here are some views of the trail network. The orange-black striped ribbon mark the trail network. Well, I guess they're not possible to see at this scale, sorry.

Main Trail used by the processor and forwarder, leading to the yard.
(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/main.jpg)

Side trail: trails are running parrallel to the camp roadway. There are several camps on in the road on Miramachi Lake.
(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/trail.jpg)

Trails are spaced 15 meters apart. All watercourses and wet areas are flagged and buffered from machine travel.

Here's a couple views of the Miramichi Lake, autumn colors are beginning to show on the surrounding hillsides.
(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/miramichilake2.jpg)

Some camps on the lake
(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/miramichilake1.jpg)


Its been a warm and  beautiful week to be in the bush, 75 deg today.

Cheers :)

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Scott on September 26, 2004, 07:29:45 AM
 Ron, there was a little FT-133 that worked around here for a few years. They used it for final felling, up to 20 inch logs and almost all tree length. Also they had him working on some pretty mean hills. I posted some pictures of it awhile back when it burned.
 Swamp Donkey, looks like a really nice job theyre doing there. Those haul paths look more like nature trails.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on September 26, 2004, 10:07:48 AM
There were some large spruce in there the operator couldn't get the felling head around, so had to go around them ones. :D  There were even some fir that where very close to being too big for it. At one point awhile back my college was told to take more wood. :D We are treating this area real special because of the camps on in beyond the harvesting. And them big overmature fir will stap off real easy in high winds. I seen on the leeward side of the site the snow has been mauling down the softwood regen, but them red spruce are pretty tough customers. I hate that when snow drifts and packs down on the regen.  >:(

Them trails look like nature trails in person to. ;D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on October 04, 2004, 06:23:21 PM
Fabtech FT 1-33 Processor. Harvesting aspen. Deshermeir timber harvest; 8/04.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/fabtech_FT-133_processor.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on October 07, 2004, 05:14:08 PM
Fabtech FT-133 Processor. Working in hardwoods.
Deshermeir timber harvest; 8/04

(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/fabtech_FT-133_processor_in_hdwds.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on October 15, 2004, 05:17:55 PM
Wood Hauler "All Show". Lee timber harvest 9/04

(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/wood_hauler_all_show.jpg)

More Wood Hauler names noted:

"All Show"
"Finndian Outlaw"
"Out of Work"
"Bill's B Train"
"Power Stroke"
"Last Ride"
"Should Have Been Home"
"Dog Train"
"Big Guy" (Gee Jeff has a truck named after him)
"Scare Crow"
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Jeff on October 15, 2004, 06:13:41 PM
I'll know that I have finally arrived if one of the mill manufactures ever name a model "Big Guy"  :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on October 15, 2004, 06:35:35 PM
 :D :D

Jeff, where ya headed? ;)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: muledriver on October 16, 2004, 07:34:51 PM
I have some pics of our operation here in the U.P. Not quite sure how to get them on here. We have a valmet 544h harvester and a 5010 ltx iron mule. I would like to share them with everyone so any help gettin them on here will be appreciated. thanks
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Jeff on October 16, 2004, 07:39:22 PM
Here is a couple of links for information on posting pictures.

https://forestryforum.com/upload.htm

https://forestryforum.com/posting_images_to_forum.htm
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on October 17, 2004, 07:43:19 AM
Good to hear from an Iron Mule user. There are a few pictures at work here. I favor them as a "low impact" and "light on the land" machine due to their small size.

It's getting harder and harder to find them and the existing ones are kept working.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on October 24, 2004, 06:50:49 PM
Tree Faller Prepares to Buck Sugar Maple Tree. The sugar maple tree has been fallen and limbed. It is now ready to be bucked into sawlogs. Lee timber harvest; 10/04.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/tree_faller_r_wheeler.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on October 31, 2004, 08:57:11 AM
Tree Faller Limbing Another Sugar MapleTree. The tree is on the downside of a steep hill. It will be cabled tree length up hill to the flat on top for bucking with use of a 230A Timberjack cable skidder. Lee timber harvest; 10/04.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/tree_faller_limbing_on_%20hillside.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on November 04, 2004, 07:00:25 AM
Skidding Sawlogs Up Hill. The Timberjack cable skidder is backed up against some standing trees on the hill top. The standing trees will hold the skidder in place while it is used to winch the sawlog trees up the hillside. The trees will then be skidded to and bucked in the flat field on the hill top. Lee timber harvest 10/04.

 (https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/skidding_up_hill.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Bruce_A on November 05, 2004, 03:08:46 PM
I also drop my blade and set the brake when druming in a turn.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on November 11, 2004, 05:36:40 PM
Valmet Forwarder & Timberjack Cable Skidder. The Valmet forwarder picks up the "cut to length" products from the tree lengths pulled to the hill top by the Timberjack cable skidder. The forwarder will carry the wood products to the landing/decking area across the field where they will be trucked to the saw and pulp mill. Lee timber harvest; 10/04.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/valmet_forwarder%20&%20timberjack_skidder.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: mapleveneer on November 23, 2004, 03:49:43 PM
(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/Image2opt.jpg)


(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/Image4opt.jpg)


These photos are of a New England Central RR train passing the station in St. Albans VT on its way to the McNeil Station Generating plant in Burlington, VT.  A 55 Mw wood chip fired generating station.  Chips are delivered to a yard in Swanton, VT where they are loaded onto hopper cars for the trip to McNeil.  This keeps the neighbors happy without the truck traffic.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on November 23, 2004, 06:18:19 PM
I like the fact that there are still trains being used to move forest products. In my local area it was common place to have trains move wood chips, pulp and paper products. The train is no longer operating in the upper Saint John River Valley as they were removed in the 1980's because of declining business and increasing demand for trucks. At the time some serious flooding had removed older bridges, which the railway companies seized as a way out of the area. The old rail ways are now part of New Brunswick Trail system. They will only remain that way as long as the politics of the day allows it.

cheers
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: mapleveneer on November 23, 2004, 06:35:11 PM
Interesting information about the generating plant and where the wood chips come from:

http://www.burlingtonelectric.com/SpecialTopics/Mcneil.htm
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on November 24, 2004, 02:51:03 AM
I wasn't surprised to see the cost of the chips off the train were higher becasue the trucking rate is probably fixed by the trucking association in the area. Add that to the train freight cost and it's got to be 1/3 more, at least.

There is a wood fired generating plant in Fort Fairfield, Maine. It is owned and operated by a Canadian company, Boralex Inc of Quebec. Sawmills in New Brunswick close to the plant will send hog fuel and other waste residue they can't use as pulp. The source of most of this residue from New Brunswick is from crown lands and a smaller percentage from purchased private woodlot wood.

 Click here  (http://www.recyclingtoday.com/articles/article.asp?Id=4280&SubCatID=29&CatID=7)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on November 27, 2004, 08:30:58 AM
Working Over The Timber Access Road. Final repairs and maintenance is made to the access road that needed to be build to access the timber sale area. The access road must be left in a suitable condition for future use by 2 wheel drive vehicles. Lee timber harvest 10/04.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/access_road_repair.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ed_K on November 28, 2004, 03:20:35 PM
nothing like getting to the job site and finding out your batt. won't work in the camera  >:( :( :'(.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on November 28, 2004, 03:35:36 PM
Ed :D Do you use rechargeables. Them regular lithiums are expensive when ya use the onscreen display often :(
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on November 28, 2004, 04:52:05 PM
Murphy's Law with the batteries. I now always carry extra batteries and/or a second camera since this happened to me when some photos where very important as evidence in a timber trespass and damage case.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on December 04, 2004, 04:32:36 PM
Final Grading of the Access Road. The cable skidder is used to make a final grading of the constructed access road prior to closure of the timber sale. The loggers leave the landowner with a good access road to the back end of his property.

The constructed access road will serve the landowner's continued land management needs and increase future timber values. Lee timber harvest; 10/04.

[(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/grading_the_access_road.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Scott on December 16, 2004, 06:48:28 AM
 Here's a few shots from around here.
(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/harvester.jpg)
690E excavator converted to tree harvester.
(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/skidder450.jpg)
450 skidder hauling through the old field.
(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/landing2.jpg)
equipment at the landing
(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/landing1.jpg)
truck getting ready to leave the field.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on December 19, 2004, 04:35:26 PM
Hmmm, the most recent post musta been deleted cause I received notice through email and I don't see it on here. Oh well, I missed it. ;)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on December 19, 2004, 04:46:33 PM
Forwarder & Cable Skidder. Parked at the landing waiting to be "hauled off" to the logging contractor's next job. Lee timber harvest; 9/04.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/forwarder_&_cable_skidder.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on December 19, 2004, 05:05:36 PM
Ron's playing hide and go seek the skidders tonight. ;)

Nice bunch of wood there. Now here's a man that puts the pictures before his words. :)

Well as they say a picture is worth a thousand of'm. ;)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on December 27, 2004, 09:27:03 AM
"All Show"  Is Ready To Move The Forwarder and Cable Skidder Off To Another Timber Harvest Job. Lee timber harvest 10/04.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/ready_to_be_haulled_off.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on January 02, 2005, 01:57:05 PM
Tree Length Skidding. This older Timberjack cable skidder is being used to pull tree lengths off a hill side timber harvest. The sawlog, pulpwood, and firewood products are then cut to length for trucking from the top and bottom of the hillside. Jakielek timber harvest 11/04.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/tree_length_cable_skidding.jpg)



Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on January 07, 2005, 04:58:04 PM
Harvesting From a Lowland Area. The Timberjack cable skidder sets up at the edge of the lowland area which is too soft for the forwarder to work in. The fallen tree lengths will be cabled out to drier ground for bucking. Sportsman's Port, LLC timber harvest; 12/04.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/harvesting_from_lowland.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on January 09, 2005, 01:20:10 PM
Harvesting From a Lowland Area. The Timberjack cable skidder pulls tree lengths from the included lowland hardwood area. The large hardwood tree tops have been removed and trees limbed by the  cutters before skidding so as to prevent any damage or skinning to the remaining trees. The trees will then be bucked into variable lengths by chainsaw on higher ground. Sportsman's Port, LLC timber harvest; 12/04.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/harvesting_from_lowland_2.jpg)


Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Scott on January 09, 2005, 05:48:49 PM
 Anyone out there still using a dozer for their skidding? Our land is fairly wet and I'm thinking of getting a track machine for hauling in the wetter areas. A small dozer seems like a good choice as I could could use it for skidding and making small roads. Any thoughts?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: slowzuki on January 11, 2005, 05:20:56 AM
Scott, I don't know of anyone using a dozer for logging.  A neighbour has one for roads and uses the winch to rescue other stuck equipment from the woods.

The thought of putting new undercarriage or tracks on a bulldozer scares the $$$ out of me :D  Nothing on them seems to be cheap!

You mention your land is pretty wet, do you mean swamp?  I'm just thinking little dozers don't do real well in swamp, and are harder to get out.

One of those J-5's with a tracked forwarder trailer and winch are pretty neat.  Up in north nb they drive em on the peat bogs.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: OneWithWood on January 11, 2005, 06:55:47 AM
Scott,
I use an old John Deere 450CA crawler/loader to skid with on my property.  I have a pair of log forks that replace the bucket when I need them and a nice big timber winch on the back.  There are times I wish it was a dozer with a 6way blade and the wider tracks but more times I am glad to have the versatility of the bucket or forks.  When the ground is wet I pay the cable in and out to move the logs.  Before I figured this out I buried the critter up to its belly pan when I hit a soft spot skidding up a slope.  Pulled myself out with the winch.
Parts aren't cheap but then parts aren't cheap for a skidder either.  the major drawback is the time it takes to skid a long distance.  The trade off is that the impact to the woods is far less than the big wheeled skidders.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: slowzuki on January 11, 2005, 12:33:46 PM
OWW when you say the impact is lower than a skidder, do you mena cause you're going slower and don't smash into things or are you strickly talking footprint on the ground?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: OneWithWood on January 11, 2005, 07:11:00 PM
Both.  A crawler or dozer spreads the weight accross a much wider area than a skidder so compaction of the soil is lessened.  Newer tire designs I believe have improved the soil compaction of skidders but I think they still compact more than a tracked vehicle.  Wheeled skidders came into being for speed.  That same speed can cause some serious rutting on damp soils.  I am not an authority on the subject of wheeled versus tracked vehicles but this is my understanding of the impact difference.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Scott on January 12, 2005, 02:07:59 PM
 My family's land has some swamp on it but is most just wet and soft. Right now we have a MF 1040 tractor, its about 33 horse power. The tractor is to light for heavy pulling and its very narrow, making it tippy even on fairly tame ground. Also those skinny little 4x4 front tires slice pretty bad. Most likely we'll end up getting a larger tractor (50 to 60 HP) with wider tires on it. We've also looked at the J5's with winches and trailers. The dozer seemed like a well rounded tool for the woodlot. Travel speed isn't a big deal for us. Undercarriages are expensive but we wouldn't be running it alot so it would probably last a long time (an average dozer UC lasts 2 years around here if run daily) .  Maybe I could do some work on the side to help pay for it? Dad wants a machine that can work in tight spots and not rip things up in the woods. Right now we're still just weighing out our options.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: slowzuki on January 13, 2005, 05:17:43 AM
I think I know the MF you mean, its a compact model made by Iseki or something like that?  They do have tiny tires up front!

If you do go tractor, they make tires now called R1W's that have a wide footprint and run at low pressures.  Kubota have em on the M6800-9000's as options at most of the good dealers in NB.  New Holland have em too, I think some of the bigger dealers of other brands carry them too.

Compared to a standard tire they more than double the footprint.

I've seen some of those powered forestry trailers lately that use ground speed pto (only some tractors have this), seems this would make a nice combo in the woods.

My concern on the crawler is many older ones have narrow tracks and seem to get stuck in wet spots, but this may be only if they are trying to push dirt.
Ken
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on January 13, 2005, 08:16:24 AM
Back before my time, father sold stumpage to loggers that used crawlers. They didn't use skidders in those days. Our woodlands were all nice and flat, no side hills. And the ground had gravelly knowls and wet narrow slews where springs come out of the gravel mounds. They used to yard wood quite a long way to the fields and didn't rut the ground up. In later years they used skidders with decent tires on the woodland we owned and didn't rut the ground like what you'd think, we just worked around the wet runs. When I got old enough to cut with dad we left the woods with hardly any evidence we were there. The trails always seemed to seed in with spruce, cedar, white ash or fir. In my plantations there is more ground disruption with C&H plough than any skidder we used cutting wood.

cheers
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Scott on January 13, 2005, 12:58:47 PM
 Slowzuki, yeah the tractor is made by some weird Japanese company, it doesn't run nearly as smooth as the larger Perkins powered Masseys. If we went the tractor route we'd be using the wider flat profile tires that you were talking about, we also thought of using those industrial tires. We would put a farmi winch on the tractor and not a trailer. The trailers are a bit pricey for us and also they probably wouldn't work really well on our land. Those powered trailers are pretty cool though. I'd like to get a machine that can be used to for more than just logging. We could use the tractor for plowing snow, bush hogging, yard work and launching the boat in the river. A dozer could be used for road building, stumping and other such work. A J5 is really handy for getting way back in the woods especially if your taking some cargo. I'm not sure whered youd get parts for those old rigs though. We have a mixed woodlot with mixed terrian. Some of it is fairly solid and flat. There are some decent hills and there are some real wet areas. The timber consists mostly of old growth spruce. there's also birch and maple and a fair bit of cedar.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: JN68 on January 13, 2005, 05:16:28 PM
Hi Scott; i use a 70 hp 4x4 massey/ 8800lbs winch,405 patu log loder with home made power trailer( older masseys have ground speed match up too a two speed rearend 10-20 tires) no trans and pto running at a fast speed.I have a 420 case dozer ,used it some for yarding ::)all i can say is slow,rufffffff rideand watch out for wood in the tracks( they like too come off ).Hall's has a nice IH winch,chains roll bars for the woods.Oh about that cedar?? ;Dhow much? JN
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: slowzuki on January 14, 2005, 08:37:00 AM
If you go tractor, I've had great luck driving through swamps on our property in the colder months, they freeze up ok and with snow packed down they bridge the wet holes ok too.

I wouldn't get the regular industrials, they don't work well in mud.  Michillen makes a wide style radial industrial carcas with the R1W tread on it.  This gives the deeper lugs and sharper V.  
http://www.michelinag.com/agx/en-US/products/product_detail_pages/XM27UI.jsp

There was a Kubota M4900 (45 hp) 4x4 tractor for sale in Moncton with a winch and dozer blade on it, FOPS on tops and full skid plating recently.  I'll try to dig up a link.

Quotewe also thought of using those industrial tires. We would put a farmi winch on the tractor and not a trailer.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Scott on January 15, 2005, 06:35:46 AM
 I've seen the tractors that you guys mentioned. I'd probably want to set the tractor up a lot like that, except i wouldn't want that little skidder blade. I'd want a decent loader on it instead, theyre just too handy not to have one. JN, if ya like I can show you around the woodlot, your proabably only a 10 minute drive from here.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Scott on January 15, 2005, 06:46:33 AM
(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/IHtractor.jpg)
JN, is this the machine you were talking about?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: buck5611 on January 15, 2005, 08:28:54 AM
Check this link:   http://www.payeur.com/
look for "The Forester" A medium 4WD Kioti tractor especially rigged for forestry work. they sell a lot of it and they are very reliable tractor. Carol
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on January 15, 2005, 12:45:23 PM
Sawyer Cuts Variable Lengths The tree lengths skidded from the lowland area are bucked into product lengths on high ground to prevent excessive rutting in the lowland. They will then be forwarded to the landing for trucking. Sportsman's Port, LLC timber harvest; 12/04.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/sawyer_cutting_variable_%20lengths.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Scott on January 15, 2005, 04:11:32 PM
 The problem we have with smaller tractors is that they don't have enough weight for skidding some of the large trees on our land. The Forester tractor is a really good setup, i got to look at one a couple years ago at the forestry show. Do they come any bigger then the one they show?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: JN68 on January 15, 2005, 07:59:12 PM
HI SCOTT; yes that is the one, not a bad setup other then it being a  IH they don't like the cold. The massey that i use has the rear tires loaded chains on all four, we have steep hills and then your in the wet ground.We haul five trees (soft wood) most of the time. No problems, i don't like to make too much of a mess thier needs too be a future? Like to take you up on the tour someday always wanting to learn.  ;D JN
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: buck5611 on January 15, 2005, 08:12:26 PM
Yes you can have a bigger one rigged like the forester.Carol
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: sawguy21 on January 15, 2005, 10:21:38 PM
I have been glued to this thread for over two hours and have learned a lot. Really enjoyed the heli pics as I was involved in it for five years. Hanks Truck Pictures has a lot of terrific logging truck shots. Swamp Donkey and Paul will feel right at home.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Scott on January 16, 2005, 07:06:27 AM
 Hanks is a great page, there's some good shot from up on the oilfields. Check out the Ron Grieve collection.
  I'd like to get a New Holland TN 65 or 75 and put one of those forester packages on it.
  
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ed_K on January 16, 2005, 06:20:25 PM
 Tractor finally came in, we traded a 33 hp MF for a 5860 Landini.
(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/5860%20landini.jpg)

Here the whole package.
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 I'm hoping this tractor will be heavy enough to handle 1/2 cord of wood. The massy was a great upgrade from a 350 big bear 4x4. But just didn't have the weight to move wood.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on January 16, 2005, 07:48:00 PM
The 230A Timberjack Forwarder. The variable lengths are picked up on high ground and forwarded to the landing and decking area. Sportsman's Port, LLC timber harvest; 12/04.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/timberjack_forwarder_sportsmans%20port.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on January 17, 2005, 04:37:10 AM
I was wondering how a system of manual felling and bucking along with a 230A forwarder wood work. If ya have the operator/owner of the machine participate in the bucking process, I think you could put up quite  a bit of wood in a day. The quality of the wood would be higher than if machine cut I would think, no pull-out and such. Problem might be when the owner/operator gets too comfy in that seat. Both fallers would have to have good experience with directional felling. Too often I see in the woods are guys that let'r fall where ever. That doesn't matter much when clearcutting, but with reagards to improving the woodlot one has to use directional felling. If the odd tree got hung the forwarder could be called in to give the butt a quick jerk. Any soft ground could be buffered from the harvest with ribbons, which possibly may be part of wetlands anyway. Buffers on wetlands here start at their outter edges, not measured from stream-side.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ed_K on January 17, 2005, 05:23:41 AM
 I've been told that a manual chopper and a forwarder, will have all the work they could possibby do. This is why I upgraded to the equipment shown above. Last week with the addition of this equipment, I signed a contract for a thinning & logging job that will keep it busy for the next 2 yrs. A lot of the thinning I do, the land owner is looking for minimal signs of equipment. With a 230 forwarder, you could work both sides of the low impact idea. Manual cutting or work behind a processor. Work either way you look at it.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Frickman on January 17, 2005, 07:33:43 AM
Swampdonkey,

As to your question, it depends on the terrain. Most of the ground I work on in the mountains I do like the loggers Ron Scott showed did, I skid the logs out to an in-woods landing and then forward them to the roadside. It would be nice to take the forwarder to the stump, as you suggested, but it is pretty near impossible for me to do. Of course, their are places in the upper-midwest where this is a common practice.

When skidding the logs to my in-woods landing I rarely pull them tree length. Most logs are cut apart into mill-ready lengths right at the stump, and only short, sixteen foot maximum, logs are skidded. This gives me the advantages that a forwarder has in that I'm not causing alot of damage to residual trees. The logs are going to be cut-to-length anyway, so I might as well do it at the stump.

I don't need a large area for an in-woods landing either. Any wide spot along a woods road that will hold a thousand or so board feet will do.

By using the skidder and forwarder together, and adapting to the terrain at hand, I can harvest timber efficiently and still keep the foresters happy.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Scott on January 17, 2005, 08:57:36 AM
 Nice tractor Ed! We have an older version of your MF that you traded and we're having the same problem with it (not enough weight) I think i'm going to have to look at the Landinis before i do any buying  :). your tractor is pretty much exactly what my dad and I are looking for.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on January 17, 2005, 10:53:42 AM
Frickman:

I could see the advantages of the skidder in that situation and I like the idea of bucking to length in the bush to reduce damage. I'm just on the edge of the Appalachian range here and the land is farely flat for logging, but rolling. I've seen some folks try to fight the terrain and skid long length and bulldoze skid trails all over the side hills. What an erosion mess they make. The ground is either gravelly or shaly, at any rate, makes a real mess. They should either avoid using that method on that ground or find an alternative. The environment doesn't seem to make waves over it, which is surprising since that silts up the streams below in a heavy rain. ::) Sometimes we don't have the luxury of picking and choosing our job sites I guess, especially with high equipment lease payments. Oh, if everything was perfect. ;)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Frickman on January 17, 2005, 03:39:41 PM
Swampdonkey,

You mentioned high-lease payments. My method of logging will not work profitably if you have high payments. It does work real well if you care about the land however. The way I log is alot slower than tree-length logging for several reasons. I care about what I'm doing, and take my time doing it. I'm obviously pulling out less footage per trip than a large skidder dragging tree length. And I'm moving alot of work that I'd be doing at the landing or mill back to the stump. This saves some time down the line though, especially at clean-up time. I leave most of the loose bark, sawdust, knots, end trims, etc. back in the woods where they belong, instead of hauling them to the landing or mill yard. It helps keep the landing and mill yard neat and tidy.

The one thing that I've learned over the years about logging is you have to be adaptable. Just as one prescription for harvest will not work on every tract you mark, one certain method of logging will not be feasible on every job I work. All my equipment is paid for, so it works for me, I don't work for it. Since I don't have a loan payment bearing down on me every month I'm able to do things a little different than some other outfits.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on January 17, 2005, 04:18:10 PM
Frickman,

I think that is great that you own your equipment and have no lease payments to worry about. I'm sure there are plenty of other worries, like with any business. You can certainly see that not everyone has the luxury of a large bank roll to purchase their harvest equipment. Alot of the guys working on private buy big equipment to work on public forest land as their main source of employment. On public forest land you have supervisors who stand over ya and harp on production, but also want what's best for the land. Sometimes hard to find that balance.  Some guys end up, part time, hiring out to contractors on private so they tend to bring some old habits along. But, also it comes back to the high cost of equipment which they can't afford to have sit idle. As another senario to the side hills, add some boulder fields and rock outcroppings to the harvest area and I think even you would be left thinking, 'what am I doing here'. Dang glaciers eh?

cheers ;)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on January 17, 2005, 05:56:42 PM
The Forwarder Leaves the Landing After Delivering and Decking a Load of Sawlogs. Only a small landing is needed for the variable length (short wood) logging method. The product lengths are cut at the stump as stated above.
Sportsman's Port, LLC selective timber harvest; 12/04.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/fowarder_leaves_landing.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on January 18, 2005, 04:13:29 AM
This method works especially well if you don't have to turn a tractor trailor on the yard, but it means more road building is involved if you need a road to loop around. Works fine with straight trucks. I know one guy in our area who uses a skidder converted as a forwarder and a tracked Dion forwarder he uses to cut to length at the stump and forward to a small landing. His problem is that his equipment is old and spends alot of time fixing it. It's not a high production operation, but he's always busy.

Converted C4 Forwarder

(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/convforwarder.jpg)
C-4 Tree Farmer skidder and mounted  Patu log loader on the rear frame with hitched Patu tandem log trailer. Makes for an efficient, low-cost forwarder that is well suited for sites that are not too steep.

Dion Forwarder

(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/dionforwarder.jpg)
F-4 Dion tracked short wood forwarder loading 100 inch pulpwood ona  straight truck. It has a low centre of gravity and can work on steeper slopes than most forwarders.

The machine comes with a fully enclosed cab for winter operation, with windows for good visibility. The forwarder uses a hydraulically-powered stick steering system. The hydraulics also control the stabilizers that make contact with the ground to keep the forwarder steady while the operator loads logs, as well as the boom. Everything else is mechanically driven through the transmission and differentials.

The forwarder has facing seats, so that after being driven in one direction, the operator can simply change seats and drive it back in the opposite direction. Although it has a five-speed transmission, He operates the forwarder primarily in third gear, slowing down in particularly muddy or rocky areas to avoid both ground and track damage.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on January 19, 2005, 04:56:18 PM
A Happy Landowner. The landowner watches as a load of grade hardwood sawlogs leaves the landing enroute to the mill that purchased her timber. Sportsman's Port, LLC timber harvest; 12/04.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/happy_landowner_marylou.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: isawlogs on January 21, 2005, 11:26:30 PM
(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/mcwestern1n.jpg)

This is where I worked in 2001 , hauling off road to the Tembec mill yard in Tee lake Témiscamingue Québec....A load of spruce for pulp mill The saw logs will be cut out at the mill yard with a slasher

(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/mc275barkon.jpg)

275 B Barko loading us at Two Rivers , Témiscamingue Québec... White pine , again will be cut to logs at the yard

(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/mc2rivieren.jpg)
  
  Heading down to the yard with a load of pine ... It was all off road hauling , two meter radio system ... about 140 kilometers of off road driving to get to the yard in Tee Lake ...




Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on January 22, 2005, 03:50:20 AM
isawlogs,

Lotsa snow eh? :) I see they plow the roads like here, when you meet another truck one of ya have to turn out in the snow bank. They have wide roads, but plow narrow. I never invested in a radio so I stay off them roads in winter. I see those are some nice white pine logs. Looks like your picking them from hardwood or mixed stands. Sure is a long trek to the mill.  :o
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: isawlogs on January 22, 2005, 07:22:16 AM
Swomp..   I got myself a scanner ....
 
When you met a truck if it was loaded .. you took the snowbank , it was kinda hard to stop these once they got rolling ... priority was to the loaded truck at all times ... Next on the priority list was the empty truck coming back up then the sanders .... anything else on the road was low in the priority list  ;D ;)

(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/mcgrader1.jpg)

The grader that was used to open the roads ... he is on a mission , going to try and pull and push a truck up a hill ...


(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/mc644G1.jpg)

 644G John Deer loader with log clamp , he's getting the dozer blade and turning around to come and push the truck up the hill

(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/mcpush2riviere1.jpg)

All together ... Sander spreading sand , grader pulling and loader pushing , made it up on second try ....
 We had lots of fun .... Had to put the chains on the truck ....
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Buzz-sawyer on January 22, 2005, 07:27:36 AM
Nice pics, sounds like a day of fun and games!
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Kevin on January 22, 2005, 12:12:42 PM
Isaw are they not using chains on those truck tires?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: isawlogs on January 22, 2005, 12:34:55 PM
  We never put the chaines on ... only if we did not make the climb the first time .. then we would try being pushed by the loader ... if that didn't work we would put the chains and deep lock up , and try her again ... in this case we had to get more help thats why the grader was called in and the sander ....
 If it snowed I would put the chains on .... other then that there was so much wheight on the drives to get you going anywhere if it was not at the botom  of a hole like this ....
 We where hauling 60,000 kilos to 75,000 kilos net ... there was weight on the tires only needed a little sand
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on January 22, 2005, 01:18:56 PM
WOW  :o 45,000 kilos isn't even allowed here on the highways. I can't imagine hauling that on off-road and rough roads.

Do you folks use BWS trailors? They make'm here in town, and most around here use'm for logging. I know they use'm in Ontario and Quebec in some places.

http://www.bwstrailers.com/logger.php
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: isawlogs on January 22, 2005, 01:45:00 PM
(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/mctemis.jpg)

 Most used these Témisko trailers they are built at Notre Dame du Nord . Témiscamingue Qué.
 We had one truck that had three axle drive I'll get some pictures of ti later on and post them .. it had the extend a bunk on his trailer ... I beleive that it would extend 20" it would make a big difference in the center of gravety ....
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on January 22, 2005, 02:22:21 PM
isawlogs,

Looks like a nice heavy duty trailor.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: isawlogs on January 22, 2005, 02:35:51 PM
 Swamp....
 they had to be .. not that I want to put them in a better quality , it just happened that they where built not far from where we worked ...
 Some of the trucks would be hauling at over 100,000 kilos crosse ,  
 we had little loads on at 60,000kilo net .... Most of it being placed on the front of the trailer so that the weight would be on the drives ....
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on January 22, 2005, 02:47:02 PM
I'm stay'n outta those woods in winter. ;) :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: isawlogs on January 22, 2005, 03:05:59 PM
(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/mcsableuse.jpg)

 international paystar with heated sander , exhaust would go through the box of the sander , it being double walled and keep the sand from freezing .... most of the time ....
 We had three of these on the road at all times , one would be at the main camp at Tee Lake for a back-up...
 This one had a 400 cummins with 15 speed fuller , it had full lock on rear end ...
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on January 22, 2005, 03:29:31 PM
A Load of Sawlogs Is On Its Way To The Mill. The trip will take approximately 2 hours. The trucker will then make a return trip for another load. Sportsman's Port LLC timber harvest; 12/04.

(https://forestryforum.com/images/03_21_04/sawlogs_leave_for_mill.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: WV_hillbilly on January 22, 2005, 06:29:19 PM
 Marcel
    those pictures of your 's show some extreme  log hauling .  It looks like it was a chore just to keep the roads passable . I have to agree with Swampdonkey  on stayin away from those woods . I thought we had  some problems dealing with coal haulers on our roads  .  Do I understand  that these roads where for the logging activities only .

Ron  
 That looks like a pretty heavy load of sawlogs on that truck also .  How many Bd/Ft can they haul in a load like that ?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: isawlogs on January 22, 2005, 09:48:47 PM
 It was for hauling only .... had signs up at the begining of road and every 10 kilo.  ... but people dont know how to read  wether it be french or english or chinese for that matter . Made for some hair rising times at times ...
 It was not that hard to keep the road open the trucks would do it most of the time , at the speed we traveled the trailers would sweep the roads , only during major storms that the grader would be called to grade the road , or when there would be to much ice build up. the sanders wher out 24 hrs , two 12 hr shifts... We had 18 trucks and would haul 24 hrs ...
 I'll put more pic on when I dig them up ....
 Forgot to metion that we had 10 pickets on the trailers , the 8' where to short ...
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on January 23, 2005, 05:58:57 AM
10-12 MBF on our loads or about 50 tons.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Norm on January 23, 2005, 06:21:56 AM
I really enjoy this thread it's one I always check. Thanks Ron for all the great pictures. :)

Marcel what kinds of logs were you guys hauling?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on January 23, 2005, 07:34:15 AM
Thanks Norm. The Thread seems to get a lot of interest. I enjoy the posts and photos of others here also. Marcel is now showing some of the hard work and effort that goes into winter logging and trucking.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: isawlogs on January 23, 2005, 08:32:30 PM
  Norm ...
   Depending on which sector we were in . We had a login radius of give or take 175 kilometers from the log yard which was at Tee Lake , small logging town 20 kilometers from Témiscamingue in Québec .
 We would haule pine , spruce and balsam , poplar , and mixed hard wood .
 The pine was tree lenght so was the pulp , but the hard wood would of been cut by slasher in the bush , had 2 slashers going at it 24 hours .
 I'll go back on the photos that I put on and write down what type of wood was being drawn out ...
  I worked for this logging  outfit for 5 winters , it was at the time one of the largest privatly owned and operated logging companie in the province .
   We had during the peak winter months over 175 people on the payroll . Went from goffer , cooks, kitchen helper , mecanics , want to be mecanics , operaters, dozer, shovel ,skidder,back hoe, front loader, slasher , log loaders ,maintenance crew, welder , grader operator , truck drivers , and then all the office folks ... we had 2 foresters on and all the crew for the marking and blazing of the roads and trees to be cut down ...
 All this in three different camps that where spreads out the logging terrotory...
 all the camps had sleeping quarters , full kitchen dinning area
 One camp we had for the trucks to have a home base and had the garage
 The other two where ... one for the cutting crew , the other was for the road maintenance crew ... Sanders grader loaders the shovels once the cutters where done in one sector we would move into there camp and they would take ours ....
  
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on January 25, 2005, 06:04:17 PM
Some more wood hauler names noted on the road.

"Blackfoot"
"Tree Hugger"
"Red Hot And Rolling"
"Doc"
"Big Woody"
"Waxy"
"Scooby Duty"
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 1953greg on January 25, 2005, 09:31:57 PM
i use a f-250 pu and 16' utility trailer w/ front mounted 4 ton winch. i fabricated a quad pod that attaches to rear of trailer that supports a pully bout 5' above trailer floor. i back trailer to big end of log, run cable through pully and attach to log bout 1' from near end then detach truck and begin winching. trailer will rear up til tail hits ground then log and trailer will come together then log wil raise onto trailer. then remove quad pod and reattach cable to log couple times to bring log farther onto trailer. as log is winched/loaded trailer will come down slowly. better have trailer chucked!  works really easy, kinda like a rollback wrecker.  i can haul up to a single 36" 17' log. thats about 5000lbs and thats all i need.  not much for production but for a hobbist/weekend warrior its great.  small potatoes compared to you guys.  1953greg  
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: isawlogs on January 26, 2005, 12:14:18 AM
1953greg
  Its not the amount of potatoes thats in the plate that counts .... trust me I would of being a lot less stressed out hauling your load .... ;)  And having a lot more fun ...
  Its what you get to do with whats in the plate ....
 Feel free to put some pictures on , we love to see what others do ....
 Oh and by the way welcome aboard , it is the first time I see you here ...
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on January 30, 2005, 03:42:10 PM
I have a question for Ron S and those up in the area. I ahve been seeing alot of posts in here of thinning red pine. I was wondering if the natural red pine stands are growing in soil that tend to be reddish (iron rich). In New Brunswick the natural red pine grows on iron rich podzols. Of course we have red pine planted on darker soils of farmlands but I'm not counting those sites. I'm just curious.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on January 30, 2005, 05:43:34 PM
Swamp,

Much of our red pine here is on a well drained sandy soil. a lot of it is rubicon sand which is quite a sterile sand. If you have ever read the book, "The Lands That Nobody Wanted" that's where a lot of our red pine was planted, especially during the CCC era. Much of this is on National Forest and State Forest system lands.

There is also a lot growing on abandoned farm lands  which may be a darker sandy loam or loam soil.

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on January 30, 2005, 06:27:55 PM
These soils are sandy clay loams with a clay dominated C (compact) horizon. They tend to be real snotty in the rainy season. The soil on the farm here is more sand dominated sandy-clay loam and dries fast after a heavy rain.Our sandy soils are dominated by jackpine-black spruce boreal-like forests.

As I said earlier I was most curious. I find it curious as to why our red pine prefer those soils over the more fertile humo-ferric or brunisols in our area. Well I have the answer, partially, those richer soils where dominated by hardwood which are more shade tolerant and longer lived than red pine. I never seen a red pine in a hardwood stand. ;)

BTW, I never heard of that book. Sounds interesting if not just for its historical content.

What is the CCC era? clear-cut carve and concrete? Remember I'm just a pour old northern hick not that well versed in the local abbreviations. :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Minnesota_boy on January 30, 2005, 07:37:21 PM
Red pine will tolerate a lot of different soils, from sand to clay to mostly rock, but they do like sunshine.  We planted a few seedlings in our grove.  The ones on the south side against a field are 20+ feet tall, but one that was planted the same day but near some aspen that partially shaded it is only about 4 feet tall.  Same soil type.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: BW_Williams on January 31, 2005, 12:18:17 AM
Just trying to post a pic, load of English Walnut I got the other day.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on January 31, 2005, 07:45:02 AM
Minnesota Boy:

I've also noticed red pine growing on rock cut faces along highways. You'd wonder how a tree can grow from solid rock. I suppose there is soil washed down into crevasses and the rock would be impermiable to water so it would hold there as well.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: slowzuki on January 31, 2005, 04:32:55 PM
Have few pictures of a harvest taking place on my old stomping grounds growing up.  The land was sold by all the local farmers to Crabbe Lumber who is contracting the harvesting to RA Pheeny Logging and Trucking Company.

The harvesters are mounted on 2 escavators and a pair of huge JD grapple skidders are dragging all the bunches back.  A cable skidder crew is working the area next to the stream as it is too steep.

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: slowzuki on January 31, 2005, 04:34:09 PM
The hill they are working the cable skidder on and the dozer for road repair.  The skidder sits outside the stream buffer area and drags cut trees out of the buffer area to the skid road.  The clearcut part is about 1000 acres or so now and growing.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on January 31, 2005, 04:48:13 PM
Slowzuki,
Was just wondering if you see Gary Goodwin or Marc Blanchard superviing the job. I don't know if they travel that far south. Just curious. I worked with Marc a few years before he went to Crabbe Lumber.

cheers
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Frickman on January 31, 2005, 07:24:55 PM
SwampDonkey,

CCC stood for Civilian Conservation Corps. It was a "make-work" program run by the government here in the states to put out-of-work men to work during the Depression. They lived in camps and planted trees, built roads and campgrounds, and other did other things to improve government land holdings.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: slowzuki on February 01, 2005, 08:37:04 AM
I have not met either but Marc Blanchard has a connection.  Our property has a Crown Reserve Road beside it.  The reserve was trimmed from our property back in the day but has alway remained with our land.  Our fields extend onto it and there is a 200 year old fence on the far side of it.

As a note for others, a Crown Reserve Road is a 66ft wide right of way owned by the Crown / Goverment for potential development.  People can apply to develop it but it is public land and can't be gated.

Crabbe built a road next to the reserve so they could gate it.  The problem is they hit a swamp and needed to divert onto what was part of our property at least on paper.  Marc came to visit our friend who owned the land at the time said sure but he didn't think he owned back that far.  A trip to the registry office showed he had been paying tax on it since 1946 when he bought the front parcel.  St. Anne Nackawic came to visit him and did a boundary adjustment.  He agreed they could have the land back if the taxes where paid back.  Well the lawyer came and they got the land back, but he never got his taxes back.  We bought the front part of the land after that and he passed away this spring.

So now St Anne is in bankruptcy, he never got his taxes back, we don't have as much land as what was described to us when we bought it and that is it!

I'm thinking about tracking down the history on it to see who really should have title to it.

Quote from: SwampDonkey on January 31, 2005, 04:48:13 PM
Slowzuki,
Was just wondering if you see Gary Goodwin or Marc Blanchard superviing the job. I don't know if they travel that far south. Just curious. I worked with Marc a few years before he went to Crabbe Lumber.

cheers
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on February 01, 2005, 10:46:59 AM
Civilian Conservation Corps (CCC)

http://www.cccalumni.org/history1.html
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: racer9 on February 01, 2005, 02:56:03 PM
A couple of log hauler names around here,
"unchained"
"termite"
"toad"
"grumpy" ;D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: tnlogger on February 02, 2005, 02:48:13 PM
well lets see if this works  :D this is the HD6E we've used for years. this thing will go places a billy would be scared to  gene
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on February 16, 2005, 06:40:11 PM

An Icy Day In The Woods The logger's pick-up towing the Iron Mule forwarder on its flat bed trailer spins out during a "freezing rain" on an icy hill top on the way to start a new timber harvest.

The entire unit slides backwards down the hill off the road and is luckily caught and held up by some trees to prevent rolling over in the swamp area below.

A "large wrecker" was called to winch the unit back on the road for delivery to the landing. An exciting and new experience for a new logger just starting out in the "life of a logger".

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/iron_mule_off_road.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ed_K on February 17, 2005, 09:35:33 PM
I finally got some batt. for the camera, here are a few picts of our current job. This is some of the 30mbf of hardwood, we have a few sticks of veneer.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10257/black%20birch%20%26%20hard%20%26%20soft%20maple%201.jpg)

This is some nice whitepine.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10257/%231%20%26%20%232%20white%20pine%201.jpg)

This on is a 17ft whitepine we had a time with getting up the hill, ground is still froze, and it was a winch in and unreel and winch again, and it was one of the farthest tree down.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10257/x27in%201.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ed_K on February 17, 2005, 10:09:03 PM
 This is starting to get easier putting in picts.
Here we are starting up with a hitch.
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10257/bottom%20of%20the%20hill%201.jpg)

This is the last hill to the top, it a 40 deg slope.
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10257/last%20hill%20to%20top%201.JPG)

This is Marty J s husband cutting a nice whitepine, he's getting his workout.
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10257/Chopper%20get%20a%20workout%201.jpg)

This is the noisy beast we're pulling in the wood with 453 detroit             (2 mufflers) earmuffs are required.
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10257/taylor%20skidder%201%7E0.jpg)

This is our model 30 MF with loader,forks and grapple, to sort and stack.
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10257/graple%20loader%201%7E0.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: sprucebunny on February 18, 2005, 08:58:00 PM
They are cutting some large trees along the road north of North Conway , NH for a bigger road and intersection. They had a whole tree chipper there as well as straight trucks removing saw logs. Took a picture of the shear.
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11412/jmlargeshearOP.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: isawlogs on February 20, 2005, 08:12:24 PM
 Got a few more pictures of the log hauling that was done up in Témiscamingue , Québec .
Barko 275B loader , Spruce and balsam for pulp  and sawlogs . The logs will be taken out at the yard with a slasher . These trees where taken down to make way for new road .

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10487/mcbarko275B.jpg)

Western Star tri-axle with a load of popler logs and tree lenght

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10487/mcWesternstar3axle.jpg)

Western Star , with a load of white birch and maple , the saw logs will be taken out at the yard these tree where cut to make way for a new hauling road .

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10487/mcWesternstar.jpg)



Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on February 21, 2005, 07:13:37 AM
Hey Ron, I bet that was fun on the ice. ;)


Ohio Bill, you can scale your images to 400 pixels wide and compress the image to get under 20 k. That's the nice thing about jpeg format. ;) I think DougInUtah had a link to a nice image processing program for free. Then there is also www.xat.com

Doug's Link  (http://www.picasa.com/)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: timberjack_teen on February 22, 2005, 12:49:29 AM
hey ron where are you based out of??? i would love to get you out on one of our operations this summer.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on February 22, 2005, 07:56:45 PM
Timberjack_teen

I'm based in northwestern Lower Michigan and do travel across the UP some and elsewhere.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: spencerhenry on February 25, 2005, 09:56:54 PM
ohio bill, only 500 made! i saw one on ebay a few months back, only 900 hrs on it, but the winch was gone. is also one a mile west of crawford colorado, he also has a 220 both are parts machines i believe. i have a massey ferguson 220, my first skidder. old and abused, but just keeps going. for the small selective cuts that i do it is an awsome machine.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on March 06, 2005, 10:37:29 AM
Iron Mule Forwarder Enters the Landing. Treais timber harvest; 2/05

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/iron_mule_treais_sale.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on March 06, 2005, 01:02:38 PM
Iron Mule Forwards Hardwood Sawlogs. Treais timber harvest; 2/05

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/iron_mule2_treais_sale.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: sprucebunny on March 10, 2005, 10:28:41 PM
I ran into this very interesting harvester when hunting for something...
Claims it can go over 5' high obstructions and work on side hill

http://www.voelkerequipment.com/a91pics.html
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Mike_P. on March 11, 2005, 08:51:37 AM
Joan:

That is an interesting machine.  It appears to change wheel positioning or stance, based on the work that it is doing.  It either involves a challenge for the operator or the unit's electronics, or both.

Thanks,

Mike
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Dom on March 11, 2005, 04:56:37 PM
That is an interesting machine. Rottne has a harverster that will rise and lower. I beleive one of the reason which they make it so you change the ride is so that you can lower the center of gravity while harversting, and rise the machine when traveling on rough terrain. Its the Rottne 5005. There are a few videos on this site: http://www.rottne.com/uk/Movies/movie.htm.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on March 14, 2005, 06:37:14 PM
Two Iron Mule Forwarders At Work. Two Iron Mule forwarders are being used on this timber harvest. Treais Timber harvest; 2/05.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/iron_mules_two_decking_at_landing.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on March 17, 2005, 05:42:23 PM
Iron Mule Forwarder Works Aspen Area; Treais timber harvest; 3/05.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/iron_mule_forwarder_works_aspen.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on March 19, 2005, 12:40:11 PM
Iron Mule At the Aspen Landing/Decking Area. The logger's pick-up with snowplow is used to keep the access roads open. Treais timber harvest; 3/05.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/iron_mule_at_nw_landing.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on March 28, 2005, 02:42:13 PM
Western Star Log Hauler. Hardwood sawlogs are being loaded for trucking to the purchaser's mill some distance away. Treais timber harvest; 2/05.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/western_star_log_hauler.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: slowzuki on March 29, 2005, 08:50:09 AM
Figured I'd post a pic of the logging winch we are using.  It is an old school Farmi with no butt plate and a self releasing snatch block worth its hefty weight in gold.

The owner has a Ford 7610 2wd with cab he uses it on which has a front mount snowblower that extends to the rear through the winch legs.

We are using it on a 4wd, 50 hp Kubota.  It does well but not quite enough weight for my taste.  It will pull 2 50-60ft, 16" diameter butt trees from the tops with tractor and trees in snow.  3 if on the flat or going a bit downhill.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10897/DSC08238.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on April 01, 2005, 08:07:50 PM
Kenworth Pulpwood Hauler. Hardwood pulpwood is being loaded for trucking to a pulp mill some distance away; Treais timber harvest; 2/05.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/kenworth_pulpwood_hauler.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Minnesota_boy on April 01, 2005, 08:46:51 PM
You have too many wheels on that log truck.  In Minnesota you rarely see more than 2 sets of duals on the back of the trailer.  Of course, the loads are smaller too, but that has to do with the upper limit of the license allowed here.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on April 02, 2005, 12:13:26 AM
Not here in Michigan. They are even considering allowing longer lengths.  :( There's a "pup trailer" in the rear.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Furby on April 02, 2005, 12:27:01 AM
How long are they looking to go?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on April 02, 2005, 06:02:22 AM
They have 3 to 4 axels on trailors here and haul 32 to 46 tonne (that's a metric tonne which is 10 % larger than a short ton). This time of year we have 80 % restrictions on secondary roads.

Most folks are using these trailors

http://www.bwstrailers.com/logger.php
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on April 02, 2005, 07:03:50 AM
Maine is the same with their trailers.Our pup trailers are alot shorter,when we do see them.There are some good size trailers up north on the paper companies roads,but I don't see big loads on state or towns roads down at my neck of the woods.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on April 02, 2005, 01:54:20 PM
Approximately 120 miles trucking to the pulpmill in Muskegon, MI
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Gary_C on April 02, 2005, 06:25:00 PM
I think in Michigan they will allow weights up to 140,000 lbs if you have enough axles.  In Minnesota you are allowed 80,000 max with 5% over for forest products. In the winter you are allowed 10% over when the roads are frozen or 88,000 plus the 5% tolerance.  Last year in Minnesota they started allowing trucks with 6 axles to be licensed for 90,000 but not many have added a third axle on their trailers.

You have to be very careful with that 5% tolerance because if you exceed the tolerance by any amount, the overweight goes back to the max weight allowed. Since many of the pulp mills are now weight scaling, the DOT can and will go to the mills and check all weight tickets back 30 days and send you a ticket for any loads that are overweight. So just because you are not stopped with a heavy load, it does not mean that you got away with an overload.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on April 02, 2005, 07:13:49 PM
Multi-axel trucks can be used in Michigan only; maybe in Ohio by special permit.

The pulpwood hauler pictured above will have a gross weight including truck weight of 154,000 - 157,000 lbs carrying a payload of 22 - 25 cords under good road conditions.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: loghlr16 on April 02, 2005, 08:00:14 PM
In Michigan we use the federal weight limit which is 160,001 lbs.  But you can only get it with 11 axles and 1 having a 9' spread.  It's all in the axle spreads to get the weight.  My truck weighs 55,000 empty w/ the pup legal for 154,000. They are talking about extending the legal lengths for "gravel trains" and construction trucks on nondesignated routes.  Log truck are already allowed to be 9' wide and up to 70' long loaded.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Furby on April 02, 2005, 09:31:47 PM
I spoke with a hauler here last fall that said he does 160,000#.
I don't recall how many axels he had though.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: babylogger on April 04, 2005, 01:34:43 AM
hey ed k that looks like the skidder i drive (when im able to) lol great pictures everyone!!! and also whoever posted the first pictures on this thread...id give anything to drive that machine!!!
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on April 11, 2005, 08:51:39 PM
More Wood Hauler Names Noted:

"Timber Taz"
"Doc"
"I Love The Money"
"Fast Forward II"
"Big Boz"
"Chapter II"
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on April 18, 2005, 08:26:24 PM
Pulpwood Load Crosses "Big Mac"

This load is headed south from "Yooper Land" to a pulp mill in northern lower, Michigan; 3/05. Numerous loads of forest products cross the Mackinaw Bridge each day.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/pulpwood_load_crosses_big_mac.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on April 29, 2005, 08:25:59 PM
A Load of Aspen Pulpwood. A load of aspen pulpwood leaves the harvest area for the mill approximately 100 miles north. Treais timber harvest; 3/05.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/aspen_pulpload.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 03, 2005, 08:19:07 PM
Iron Mule Forwarder. This machine works cautiously along the edge of the wetland. Treais timber harvest; 3/05.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/iron_mule_works_along_wetland%7E0.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 14, 2005, 06:12:00 PM
The Iron Mule Forwarder Needs A New Tire. The left rear tire on the forwarder is replaced "on the job" with a new one. Treais timber harvest; 3/05.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/iron_mule_tire_change.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: tnlogger on May 14, 2005, 09:04:23 PM
ron it'a a joy to come in this thread and see what new you have posted  thanks gene
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 14, 2005, 11:30:19 PM
Thanks tnlogger. The interest is very much appreciated.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ernie on May 15, 2005, 12:10:20 AM
As a Kiwi, I hate to admit that the Aussies have another one up on us but I came across this record for an Aussie "Road Train"  79 trailers, length 1018 meters GVW 1072.3 metric tonnes
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Timburr on May 15, 2005, 08:09:06 AM
Ernie, must take them weeks to load and hook up all their trailers!!
At a kilometre long, how does the driver see their rear trailers in the mirrors?  ??? They must pale into insignificance.
When making a turn, they must need at least 1/2km clear inside radius, otherwise it's total wipe-out of anything in their path. :o
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 19, 2005, 08:18:13 PM
Iron Mule Forwarder Back on The Job. With a new left rear tire and chains on the front tires, the Iron Mule continues its work in the northern hardwood thinning. Treais timber harvest; 4/05.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/iron_mule_forwarder_back_to_work.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Mrforestry on May 24, 2005, 07:52:54 PM
very nice equipment, wish i had a camera to take some we work with, oh well
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 27, 2005, 03:49:14 PM
Small Timberjack Cable Skidder. Parked at the landing. Outfitted with new paint job, new tires, and new chains on front tires. Osterlund Road timber harvest; 3/05.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/small_timberjack_cable_skidder.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Robert R on May 27, 2005, 06:02:32 PM
Ok, this thread is driving me insane.  I need someone to pm me their snail mail address that would scan and post a picture or 2 of my skidders.  I am becoming insanely jealous.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: tnlogger on May 27, 2005, 06:06:46 PM
robert take um to walmart and they'll put them on a disc for you   ;D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Robert R on May 27, 2005, 06:33:30 PM
Thank you.  Will do.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 30, 2005, 05:18:43 PM
A Wack of Quality Sawlogs.These sawlogs are laid out on the landing for sale to the "highest bidder". Osterlund Road timber harvest; 3/05.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/wack_of_sawlogs.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Rob on June 02, 2005, 02:54:27 PM
Here are some pics of a house lot we cut in Late May a few weeks ago ..

              Heres a back view of the 525B I run

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10398/Logging%20Pictures%20007.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Rob on June 02, 2005, 03:13:14 PM
another pic of the 525B

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10398/Logging%20Pictures%20008.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Rob on June 02, 2005, 03:15:17 PM
and another.. finally got my digital cam going :)
Heres the 525 a lil dirty not bad though considering I had it in the mud to door level last week at that lot , amazing what a little rain can do

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10398/Logging%20Pictures%20025.jpg)

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Rob on June 02, 2005, 03:16:16 PM
Heres a pic of the Model 30 Morbark chipper we run

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10398/Logging%20Pictures%20011.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Rob on June 02, 2005, 03:16:59 PM
and another one

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10398/Logging%20Pictures%20021.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Rob on June 02, 2005, 03:17:57 PM
heres a lil action shot from the top pile getting chipped up

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10398/Logging%20Pictures%20020.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Rob on June 02, 2005, 03:19:08 PM
here a few pics of the hitches I was grabbing

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10398/Logging%20Pictures%20010.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Rob on June 02, 2005, 03:19:37 PM
and another view

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10398/Logging%20Pictures%20004.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Rob on June 02, 2005, 03:20:25 PM
Heres a view of the lot from inside the machine

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10398/Logging%20Pictures%20012.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Rob on June 02, 2005, 03:22:42 PM
and well heres a look when we moved out of there , place had over a foot of standing water on the ground , 4 land clearing companies tried but could not get the wood cut and out cause of the mud  , so they called the company I work for and well , we got 'er done ..

       Well hope you enjoy my pics , I 'll have a lot more in the upcoming weeks .



                                                 Rob
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Rob on June 02, 2005, 03:25:21 PM
sorry heres a last pic ..

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10398/Logging%20Pictures%20026.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Robert R on June 03, 2005, 07:43:21 PM
Ok, I am going to try to stick my skidder picture in here real quick.  But I am supposed to be working.  I hope to post more shortly.  This, if it works, is Molly and Ginger pulling a pinoak pallet log this winter.

https://forestryforum.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-11404

Hope it works!!
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Robert R on June 03, 2005, 07:46:10 PM
I want the image, not the link.  What did I do wrong?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Robert R on June 03, 2005, 08:40:38 PM
Ok, got some advice.  I'll try again.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/12348/palate.JPG)


Wish me luck. 

Wahoo!!  It works on the preview--here goes the real deal.  (Thanks Ed).  Yall are going to be sorry I learned this!
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Robert R on June 03, 2005, 09:12:26 PM
The near horse is a 1992 model.  She is a Belgian.  The far horse, which you can't see well, is a 1998 model.  She is the daughter of the other horse, half Belgian and half sneaky little fence jumper.  But they work great together as a team.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Robert R on June 04, 2005, 01:26:50 AM
Here are some pictures of Molly and Ginger and I on a walnut job we did this spring.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/12348/walnut1.JPG)


(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/12348/walnut4.JPG)


(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/12348/walnut6.JPG)


And one of us mowing hay last summer

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/12348/mowing.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Paul_H on June 04, 2005, 02:08:35 AM
Glad you got them posted Robert.They were worth the wait!
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Norm on June 04, 2005, 03:23:35 AM
Now that's a great looking team you have there Robert, thanks for taking the effort to show us. :)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Teri on June 04, 2005, 06:00:44 AM
You've got some beautiful horses there. Thanks for the pictures.  :)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: hosslog on June 04, 2005, 06:35:52 AM
Nice team!!!!
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ed_K on June 04, 2005, 07:24:47 AM
 Way to go  8). Nice team, hope to fence jumper isn't into chicken plucking  ;D.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ernie on June 04, 2005, 04:42:53 PM
Great pics and looks like a good life too, way to go, no pollution and keeping the old ways alive.

Are you going to pit saw the log ;D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on June 05, 2005, 07:39:24 AM
Nice team Robert. My uncle had a team of Belgians, they were twins he raised from colts. Bud and Sailor. Had them 16 years until one died and then he sold the other. One was as wild as the wind and the other was quiet. They worked well together. But, get the wild one alone and hooked to a log, get out of the way. :D He used to use them to yard logs, haul stovewood, cut hey and haul the hey wagon. I don't remember him ploughing with them. It was more of a hobby for him as they never were worked too hard because my uncle never did. ;D

cheers
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on June 07, 2005, 07:24:07 PM
Timberjack Forwarder. Working an area of aspen removal and oak thinning, Austin timber harvest; 5/05

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/s%7E0.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ed_K on June 10, 2005, 09:21:16 PM
 Here's the new trailer used to bring out cordwood & some sawlogs
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10257/new%20forestry%20trailer.jpg)
Eve - Cowl lot
6/10/05
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on June 11, 2005, 06:02:21 AM
Ed_K,

How do ya like the trailor? Looks like a good setup for thinning plantations.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ed_K on June 11, 2005, 05:00:49 PM
 S.D. the trailer is nice, holds about 3/4 of a cord. The loader could use more reach, only 9.5'. I have to be careful with the controls, yesterday I picked a log off and it swung up to the knuckle and broke the fitting off the hydro line  >:(. I'm running a 7000# tractor, and coming down hill with ledges it will slide some with the trailer loaded full. If it keeps happening, I'll put the ice chains on.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: isawlogs on June 11, 2005, 07:17:16 PM
Ed ,
   Is that the tractor you where telling me about at the Bangor show ...
  Very nice set up , I would not mind having one of those trailers .  Sometimes the skidder is a little big and only have a few logs to go get . That trailer would be ideal behind the pick-up .
 
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ed_K on June 13, 2005, 07:32:12 AM
 Isawlogs, it is. Only thing I changed, was to move the wheels out to 7' so it's not tippy.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on June 20, 2005, 03:41:06 PM
Nashwaak Lake Area

Road maintenance
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11009/SD_rocky-road.jpg)

This road was constructed approximately 8 years ago and was in need of grading and brushing before trucks and equipment are brought into the site.

Red Spruce Stand
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11009/SD_red-spruce.jpg)

Harvest block of red spruce and over-mature balsma fir. Lots of blow down around the block perimeter, not seen.

Porter
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11009/SD_Porter-004.jpg)
Porter on the way out to the landing

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11009/SD_Porter-005.jpg)
Almost there
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11009/SD_Porter-006.jpg)
Sorting the wood by species on the yard
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on June 30, 2005, 08:47:13 PM
Some more "wood hauler"names noted while "on the road".

"Animal"
"Gordy"
"Deno"
"Just Logging"
"The Girls" Think My Truck Is Sexy"
"4-Play"
"Get R Down"
"Lone Wolf"
"Big Red One"
"Brow"
"Big Boz"
"Money Pit"
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on July 08, 2005, 02:10:23 PM
Timberjack 1010 Forwarder. Double bunk forwarder with tracks. Mansfield timber harvest; 5/05.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/timberjack_1010_forwarder_with_tracks.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Scott on July 09, 2005, 06:17:27 PM
Nice rig. There was one just like that on the lot beside ours a couple years back. It didn't have the blade or the half tracks and it was a a 6 wheeled one. Worked good though  :)
Title: Pics of 545 Cat and Hood 24000
Post by: Rob on July 24, 2005, 09:54:51 AM
Here are a few pics of the 545 Cat I run and the Hood 24000 Loader/Slasher set up..hope you guys enjoy (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10398/Logging%20Pictures%202%20006.jpg)
Title: Re: Pics of 545 Cat and Hood 24000
Post by: Rob on July 24, 2005, 09:55:40 AM
Heres a shot of the Hood itself

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10398/Logging%20Pictures%202%20009.jpg)
Title: Re: Pics of 545 Cat and Hood 24000
Post by: Rob on July 24, 2005, 09:56:53 AM
Heres is a shot of me going through the muddy part of the job...it's a lil deep in spots


(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10398/Logging%20Pictures%202%20015.jpg)
Title: Re: Pics of 545 Cat and Hood 24000
Post by: Rob on July 24, 2005, 09:57:53 AM
here is a better view

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10398/Logging%20Pictures%202%20019.jpg)
Title: Re: Pics of 545 Cat and Hood 24000
Post by: Rob on July 24, 2005, 09:59:06 AM
Here is a shot from the inside of the skidder , Hood slashing and stacking tops getting ready to move in the chipper to process..

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10398/Logging%20Pictures%202%20021.jpg)
Title: Re: Pics of 545 Cat and Hood 24000
Post by: Rob on July 24, 2005, 10:00:31 AM
Hope you enjoy the pics there will be lots more to come throughout the next few months..

                                                           Rob
Title: Re: Pics of 545 Cat and Hood 24000
Post by: OLD_ JD on July 24, 2005, 11:46:27 AM
nice pic Rob ;) thank's
Title: Re: Pics of 545 Cat and Hood 24000
Post by: Rob on July 24, 2005, 12:24:11 PM
No problem .. I will be taking some more this coming week so stay tuned
Title: Re: Pics of 545 Cat and Hood 24000
Post by: pasbuild on July 24, 2005, 03:03:55 PM
NICE PICS ROB
Is this a clear cut job
Title: Re: Pics of 545 Cat and Hood 24000
Post by: Ernie on July 24, 2005, 04:29:14 PM
Great pics, great machines--- envy is a sin right?
Title: Re: Pics of 545 Cat and Hood 24000
Post by: David_c on July 24, 2005, 05:36:04 PM
Quote from: Rob on July 24, 2005, 09:56:53 AM
Heres is a shot of me going through the muddy part of the job...it's a lil deep in spots


(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10398/Logging%20Pictures%202%20015.jpg)

Bit of an understatment ;) nice pics keep'em comming
Title: Re: Pics of 545 Cat and Hood 24000
Post by: jgoodhart on July 24, 2005, 07:03:51 PM
Keep the pictures coming I'll look at them ;)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on July 24, 2005, 07:47:05 PM
Rob,

What's the reason for working in the mud?? Working a wetland, spring break up, drainage ???  :-[
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: David_c on July 24, 2005, 08:12:14 PM
Ron i'm not certain it is necessarily a wetland. everything in these parts is just saturated from all the rain we have had this spring & summer. but either way it is still a bit to wet. nothing has had a chance to dry out since winter. we still have small springs that only run after winter melt and in spring that are still going quit heavely.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Tom on July 24, 2005, 08:20:31 PM
David and Rob,

Does working in a spring or pond and making a mud hole impair your relationship with the land-owner?  Is that something that a consulting forestor would rather not happen or is some of it condoned?   

we have a lot of wet land (not wetlands) that a skidder can do irrepairable damage to down here.  I've seen skidders working in  mud where you couldn't see the tires, just a swirl in the mud.  Usually a deep hole like that can be worked around but some of the skidder operators will go through them anyway.   Some of the Hammocks or small Cypress heads that are damaged by ruts can get a consulting forester in a lot of trouble.   I'm not famiiar with the ground up there or the ramifications of rutting, but sure would like to know.  It could be that the awareness is more stringent down here because of the number of swamps we have. 
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: David_c on July 24, 2005, 08:33:25 PM
Tom i think in this area it is more common than elsewhere. especially if there isn't a forester involved. like i said though chances are thats not even a wetland just wet land. personally i hate seeing the woods all rutted up like that (pet peeve of mine). but in some cases it really is unavoidable (didn't look so in this case though) unless you work the area when the ground is frozen. but i'm not there so i honestly cant pass judgement. i'm sure Rob is only doing what he's told to do.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on July 24, 2005, 09:03:03 PM
Best Management Practices (BMP's) would not allow us to "run through mud" areas. We would need to wait for the "dry season"; properly road and drain it, cable the wood across to high and dry ground, or not harvest the area.

We are working one such area of included hydric soil right now as its the first time we've been able to get in to it in three years since it is finally dry enough due the current dry season. We are cabling selected trees out over temporary "slashed over" routes to high ground then cutting into short wood lengths on site to be forwarded out to the landing. Skidding is kept to a minimum to prevent rutting.



Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: tnlogger on July 24, 2005, 10:51:30 PM
first rob welcome to the forum and good looking equipment too
As i read you operate the skidder so i have a couple of questions  being a logger in Maine and tenn for over 30yrs.i wonder are you the contractor or just run the skidder for wages.(2) is this a clearcut on company land or a private landowner. The reason i ask and i am in no way placing blame here is the impact of logging practice like this on the forest that is the reason i quit the big companys and started on my own. i value land management more the profit.
now this is just my 2cents worth and in am i judging you. i just feel that land management and soil conservation is more important.  :P again welcome gene

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: David_c on July 24, 2005, 11:18:07 PM
hey TNlogger Rob has been a member here for quit some time. also he is just a hired hand. side note he posted some pics awhile back and mentioned that they where logging a patch that no else could becuase of the mud. so i tend to think this is common practice for this company. just an fyi i didn't post this to pass judgement on Rob i've meet him and he seems a decent enough guy.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: OneWithWood on July 25, 2005, 08:58:48 AM
Rob,
Thanks for the pics. 

How will the damage to the soils be mitigated?  I would really like to see pics of the repair work.  Many years ago a skidder harvesting my woods left ruts like that on the side of a ravine.  They put water bars in at the top but those were soon washed out.  I ended up grading the shoulders down, using the dirt to fill the ruts and then I rocked it all over using spoils from one to the local quarries.  I now use this as my main woods acces road.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: tnlogger on July 25, 2005, 02:47:30 PM
dave  sorry bout that and i wasn't trying to get on to anyone it's just when i see something like that i sorta let my heart take over instead of my brain.  :)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on July 25, 2005, 03:11:39 PM
The worst rutting I see occurs at heads of gullies with steeper sloped gully walls. So the guy runs his skidder up the gully which 99 % of the time have springs seeping out that feed streams below. The gully walls are too steep to keep out of the wetter gully trough. But, sometimes the gully is not even deep and the skidder runs up the trough of the gully because it's a wide gradual path, making an easier trek to the yard. This practice is shunned by the best intended folks, but often gets forgotten when their chasing wood for machine payments. On the family farm we were always fortunate that we never had gullies or steep side hills to work. Nice and flat with gentle running streams and wet runs. I've seen some pretty dramatic erosion on farm fields though untill folks changed their farming practices in the 1980's. It was amazing the erosion on gentle slopes, you could burry a tractor in the erosion ditch. There is still some serious erosion in the New Denmark area from farming practices, even though steps have been made to reduce it by terracing and green belts, but some fields are just too steep.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: David_c on July 25, 2005, 05:13:35 PM
tnlogger there is no reason to appoligize. like you i also hate to see things like that. i was just letting you know Rob has been a member here and that he is just a hired hand.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on July 26, 2005, 04:09:55 PM
Load of Quality Sawlogs. This load of quality sawlogs is moving across "Big Mac" from Lower Michigan into Upper Michigan.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/sawlogs_crossing_big_mac.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Tom on July 26, 2005, 04:46:35 PM
I did that one time.  ;D    Go across the Mac from lower Michigan into Upper Michigan, I mean.  Jeff took me.   Man!  What a bridge.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: OLD_ JD on July 26, 2005, 05:37:29 PM
we can hardly see the shore on they other side.... :o
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Furby on July 26, 2005, 06:50:33 PM
I'm looking forward to walking across the "Big Mac" come Labor Day.........if I can find a way.

Ron, why are the logs going North?
Are there no mills closer?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Robert R on July 26, 2005, 07:53:06 PM
That above mud job looks a perfect place for horses to show their worth, snaking through the timber around the edge of the mud to the other side but I am biased.  Got to do some of that this summer for a real logger.  Had a ball.  Took the logs across a golf course--he set them on my wagon running gears with his piece of equipment and we hauled them across the course and then he off-loaded directly onto his trailer with a hydraulic arm.  We took several semi loads out and you couldn't even tell we had been there--except for the occassional "horse hazard"!
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on July 27, 2005, 07:23:17 AM
Tom, there must be some fairly long bridges down on the Keys aren't there? We have Confederation Bridge here between New Brunswick and PEI, which is 8 miles long.

Link to Live Bridge Cam  (http://www.confederationbridge.com/en/media_gallery/bridge_cam.html)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on July 27, 2005, 01:59:23 PM
"Big Mac" is 5 miles long, but the largest suspension bridge in the world.

There are a number of saw and veneer mills here in northern Lower Michigan, but these logs must have found a better market in the UP. There are also UP and Wisconsin buyers buying here so the laod may be going to one of these clients.

Loads also come from the UP into northern Lower Michigan, so it depends wherever the quality and price is best I guess.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Tom on July 27, 2005, 02:26:26 PM
We have the overseas highway from the mainland to Key West that has one link that is 7 miles long.  There are two bridges there now, the old and new.  It's quite a trip,but, nothing like the bridge over Lake Ponchartrain in louisianna.  It's 24 miles long.

A breathtaking a bridge is The New River Bridge on US-19 in W.V.   You happen up on that bridge, unsuspectingly, and all of a sudden your vehicle is suspended half-way to the moon.  "How'd I get here?" is how I feel everytime I cross it. :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on July 27, 2005, 02:35:48 PM
That's Arden Cogar, jr country, a new FF member.  I know its high enough to sky dive off of. ;)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on July 27, 2005, 03:47:00 PM
Yikes, I don't like them high bridges. Just get me as fast as possible to the other end.  :D  I've never even crossed the Confederation Bridge, which spans the icy cold Northumberland Straight. They sometimes shut it down because of high cross winds. I've been over to the Island many times by ferry. For me personally, it's kind of like the phrase 'been there done that' as far as going over there. I've been to the New River on the Virginia side, near Radford where I stayed with friends. Wow  :o 24 miles is a long trek on a bridge, hope no one is forced to walk it. ;D If I'm ever on a bridge, it won't be to skydive, unless someone with a vengence is trying to do me in.  ::)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Rob on July 31, 2005, 07:28:04 AM
Well first and foremost I have been a member here for close to 3 years now , have not posted nearly as much as i use too because I have been too busy working to get on here , but thanks for welcoming me anyway.

As for the job in question Iam just the skidder operator for the company , they tell me to pull the wood and well that what I do , I myself know how to avoid rutting but on this job in was inevitable to avoid plus the old operator pretty much destroyed that part of the job before they removed him from the skidder permanetly. Yes the job is a clear cut it is a 165 home development & golf course , the pictures where you see the mud is the big cultasac and there was a foot of standing water there apparently before I got to the job  and the old op just twisted and turned through the whole area causing it a too turn to mud. So when i got there I had no choice or chance to avoid the area as the was roughly 60 hitches of bunched wood on the other side of it so i was forced to go through the area.
  We are a landclearing company not select cut loggers , we come in cut , skid , chip , stump and grind with tub grinders , we can not leave slash anywhere on the jobs must all be picked up. As for any repair work the area will be filled in as the road will be going there and that is up to the site workers not us. Like I said we are not a timber harvesting operation. If I was to start that job before the old operator I probably could have avoided the rutting , but its hard to avoid when the damage is done before.

    Well I hope this answered any conflicts and questions and if you would like me to stop posting pictures then I will do so , but please dont make me out to be the bad guy or bad operator as there was no way to avoid what happened...We do alot of muddy jobs that other companies can not do , this part just got rained on and it stayed there , we usually use swamp mats but the contractor told us there was no need as they would be digging and filling that area. Now I have been running skidders for the past 11 or so years and consider myself a decent operator who does not bounce and scar up "save trees" , avoid  rutting and going through muddy areas if possible,this cut was just impossible to avoid rutting it was mud treeline to treeline  so there was no choice.

                                                              Rob
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: beenthere on July 31, 2005, 09:05:56 AM
Rob
Thanks for the good explanation of what you were doing. It makes sense that way. I don't think anyone meant to be pointing a finger at you specifically, but more pointing to what it looked like was happening. Who of us wouldn't enjoy a trip or two through the mud hole if we had a chance.  :D  I would!  But I wouldn't want to run my own equipment through it and get 'mud' on it.  :)

I suspect that often posts are answered, such as yours, just because of stirring up the mud and leaving the ruts, in what appeared to be a logging job, and really was mentioned for what others could learn from it (as well as to let others know that 'we' know better than to do that).  So it, to me, was just a 'good' example of what not to do, and others were using it to point out that they knew better than to do that.

So, thanks for posting the picture that so many used to stomp on the 'muddy' skidder practice, as without it, that subject of mudding up a logging trail would probably not have come up. I hope you consider it in the light that it was a good example, and that others didn't know all the facts as to why it was being done that way.   Sure hope you don't back away, as you can offer a lot to the 'logging' discussions, IMO.

Thanks for posting and bringing this up to date. It would have been easy to just have your feelings hurt and disappeared.
(and DanG, running that rig looks like fun, but expect it could get like work some days too  :)  )
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Buzz-sawyer on July 31, 2005, 11:38:56 AM
Rob I see your points and think on the internet.....a feeding frenzie developes on a topic.and people just chim in as if what they are discussing is the gospel.....when in fact it is comment on a comment about an idea someone posted about an assumption about a picture a guy posted for others to enjoy.
I dont think you have any reason to explain yourself or any such thing. Neither does the owner of the company.
You are doing a tough job the best and most practical way possible.
What diffeece are 1000 ruts gonna make when the D-9 cat gets done re shaping that entire parcel into something nice for people to enjoy ;)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on July 31, 2005, 12:26:27 PM
HI Rob,

I agree with beenthere in the fact that we weren't pouncing on your job. In fact my post about rutting was just an example I've seen going on. We were on the subject of rutting so..... ;) I don't attack people's work without knowing the before and after conditions. I'll often here these sunday driver types drive by a piece and say what a mess. It's mostly because of the brush that's left, and there is nothing economical we can do to remove it. Or someone will look at a select cut and call it high grading without being there before hand to see that the lot was mostly pulpwood and the guy was trying to leave at least something for seed. Just because a tree has a fork 20 feet up and a bunch of rot on the trunk doesn't mean the seed produced from that tree will produce trash trees.  ::) If that were the case than we'de never get a smooth beech resistant to beech scale growing in a stand of severely diseased beech.  I've seen some nice second growth sugar maple stands previously harvested for firewood. In fact they look better than alot of stands not worked at all.

cheers
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: tnlogger on July 31, 2005, 04:29:29 PM
 rob glad to see you show up  :) after reading your explanation it all makes sence. and i am one that gets over excited when i see stuff like that and nope i wasn't getting on to you just was trying to find out some facts  ;D
And shoot stick around more as the sawyers out number us poor loggers way to much. :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: OneWithWood on August 01, 2005, 03:36:43 PM
Rob,
Thanks for the follow-up.  I understand about coming up on a job after someone else has butchered the place.  I am working on cleaning up a site right now where the loggers did not use any BMPs or even pretend to.  A lot of what I am doing is pulling tops out of the washes for the landowner so limbs do not end up down stream when it rains.  I am reducing the tops for firewood and when I am done I will put in water bars on all the skid trails.  Any pics of the site in its current state would raise a lot of questions too.
Keep up the good work and post when you can.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Rob on August 06, 2005, 06:47:08 AM
Hi Guys ,

           Well first off thanks for understanding were I was coming from with my post I made recently , when I posted the pics I had a feeling it would stir up some controversy but I did it anyway . Sometimes there are just no ways around the mud and usually we will use swamp mats for that issue but like I said contractor so do it so thats what went on , I will be going back to that job in the next couple months to when we have to make the second cut for the golf course after the shaper comes in and I will get some more pics of that area for everyone. Well again thank you for hearing my explanation on this topic .

           Oh a lil off topic news guys my Fiancee' is pregnant so Im gonna be a daddy !! Just found out last night..

                                                 Rob
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: David_c on August 06, 2005, 09:42:17 AM
Congrats Rob.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Rob on August 06, 2005, 07:58:45 PM
Thanks David Im hoping it will be a boy , of course she wants a girl but hey thanks ... Another Timber Industry kid will be in the world
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ed_K on August 06, 2005, 08:29:13 PM
 8) Way to go Rob  8).
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: OLD_ JD on August 07, 2005, 09:18:33 AM
congrat Rob ;)...
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Rob on August 07, 2005, 05:09:37 PM
Thanks fellas Im sure it will be fun  ;D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on August 07, 2005, 08:26:40 PM
Timberjack 608 B Tracked Harvester; Mansfield, MI 5/05

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/timberjack_608b_tracked_harvester.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Scott on August 08, 2005, 04:11:53 PM
 Nice big undercarriage on that rig, must be pretty stable  ???
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: OLD_ JD on August 08, 2005, 05:17:23 PM
Quote from: Rob on August 06, 2005, 07:58:45 PM
. Another Timber Industry kid will be in the world
that one prob we are facing here ..there no young folk's who whante's to work in the forest anymore.I read one's,the average age of forest worker is some like 45 years old :o
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on August 09, 2005, 04:43:13 PM
I see alot of father and son crews around here.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: OLD_ JD on August 09, 2005, 07:22:01 PM
SD how old is the son ???
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on August 10, 2005, 06:59:05 AM
OLD_JD

20's and 30's and I know a couple brother crews in their 40's. But your probably right with your avarage. It just costs so much to enter this business, just like farming. Most new entrants into farming are dutch immigrants around here, they get so many government subsidies that your son will never see.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on August 10, 2005, 05:42:08 PM
Loggers Are Often Families. Here, older brother, Jim Jr. (age 32) bucks aspen sawlogs and pulpwood while his younger brother John (mid-twenties) is off picking up wood with the forwarder. Dad, Jim Sr. does the trucking. Johnson aspen timber harvest; 7/05.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/bucking_aspen_j_budd_jr.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: OLD_ JD on August 13, 2005, 08:59:48 PM
good link about forest equip  ;)
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/laurent.guillot/English%20real%20model%20links.html
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Timburr on August 14, 2005, 07:34:20 AM
Brilliant link OLD_JD.

I particularly like the Menzi Muck steep terrain harvester....similar principle to an Austrian Kaiser?? I used to repair.

Another good one is the innovative Konrad from Austria, ideal for poor traction situations.

THanks for that Tim
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on August 14, 2005, 06:20:59 PM
Family Logging Business. "Dad" loads aspen pulpwood on the Western Star wood hauler "Get R Dun". Johnson Aspen timber harvest; 7/05.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/family_logging_business_j_budd.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on August 16, 2005, 02:49:55 PM
Family Logging Business. The youngest son forwards aspen pulpwood harvested from the sawlog tops. Johnson Aspen timber harvest; 7/05.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/family_logging_j_budd_forwarder.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on August 19, 2005, 11:17:49 AM
Timberjack Cable Skidder. Getting in position to pull tree lengths from lowland area of hemlock/lowland hardwoods thinning. Mosher timber harvest; 7/05.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/timberjack_cable_skidder_wheeler.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on August 27, 2005, 11:51:31 AM
Timberjack Cable Skidder. Pulls red maple tree lengths to firm ground for product length cutting with chainsaw. Hemlock/Lowland Hardwoods; Mosher Hardwoods timber harvest; 7/05.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/timberjack_cable_skidder_wheeler1.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on August 30, 2005, 03:40:15 PM
Valmet 544X Forwarder. This machine has performed well under a diversity of conditions. It is currently working in a hemlock/lowland hardwoods stand forwarding cut to length products bucked from tree lengths moved from the wetter areas by the Timberjack cable skidder. Mosher hardwoods timber harvest; 8/05.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/valmet_544X-forwarder.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on September 02, 2005, 07:56:28 PM
Hemlock/Lowland Hardwoods Stand. Trees are selectively marked for harvest. Mosher timber harvest; 8/05.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/hemlock_lowland_hardwoods-marking.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on September 06, 2005, 07:14:34 PM
"Checking The Pull Down". Pulling down hardwood tree lengths with cable skidder in thick hemlock/ hardwoods stand. Effort needs to be made so as not to damage any standing trees. Mosher hardwoods timber harvest; 8/05.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/checking_the_pull_down.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on September 16, 2005, 04:42:48 PM
More "Wood Hauler" names noted while "on the road"

"Short Stuff"
"Power Stroke"
"Finnlandian Outlaw"
"Against the Grain"
"Unbelievable"
"Nose Cone"
"Dirty Hog"
"Hammer"
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on September 20, 2005, 07:56:27 PM
Pulling A Cut Tree Down. The Timberjack cable skidder is being used to remove the selectively marked cut trees within the thick hemlock/lowland hardwoods stand on hydric soils. Mosher timber harvest; 8/05.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/pulling_tree_down.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on September 26, 2005, 04:39:37 PM
Skidding A Tree Length. The timberjack cable skidder pulls the basswood tree length from the hemlock/lowland hardwoods stand to high ground where it is "cut to length". Mosher timber harvest; 8/05.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/timberjack_cable_skidder_mosher_hdwds.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Clark 666 C on October 03, 2005, 01:43:23 PM
Some vidéo about timber harvest method :
http://www.afm-forest.fi/movies/80.mpg
http://www.afm-forest.fi/movies/60.mpg
http://www.afm-forest.fi/movies/55.mpg
http://www.afm-forest.fi/movies/50.mpg
http://www.afm-forest.fi/movies/45.mpg
http://www.deereforestry.com/flv/index.htm#
http://www.forstmaschinen-profi.de/downloads/johndeere.wmv
http://www.forstmaschinen-profi.de/downloads/ecologforwardermittel.wmv
http://www.forstmaschinen-profi.de/downloads/ecologharvestermittel.wmv
http://www.forstmaschinen-profi.de/downloads/hannibal.wmv
http://www.hytecmfg.com/HTMLobj-218/RS5500clip1-high.mp4
http://www.hytecmfg.com/HTMLobj-222/RS6000clip1-high.mp4
http://www.hittner.hr/documents/Akcija55V.mpg
http://www.hittner.hr/documents/Akcija120V.mpg
http://www.komatsuforest.com/default.asp?id=1374
http://www.forsttechnik.at/movies/KONRAD-modern-times-mini.mov
http://www.menzimuck.com/forst/video/durchforst.MPG
http://www.menzimuck.com/forst/video/fahren.mpg
http://www.menzimuck.com/forst/video/fo-steil1.MPG
http://www.menzimuck.com/forst/video/fo-sturm1.MPG
http://www.menzimuck.com/forst/video/fo-sturm2.MPG
javascript:openvideo('video13VFB.htm');
http://www.quadco.com/english/videos/TG470_2.mov
http://www.quadco.com/english/videos/5600_samsung250.wmv
http://www.quadco.com/english/videos/240_softwood.wmv
http://www.quadco.com/english/videos/240_hardwood.wmv
http://www.quadco.com/english/videos/daewoo-L240_2.mov
http://www.quadco.com/english/videos/TG370_L220_2.mov
http://www.rottneusa.com/video/wh20.htm
http://www.rottneusa.com/video/backings/video1_03.gif
http://www.forstmaschinen-profi.de/downloads/silvatecharvester8266th.wmv
http://www.teleforest.com/fre/video2.html
http://timberpro.com/video/TS%20620%20low1.wmv
http://timberpro.com/video/TF%20820%20CB%20low.wmv
http://timberpro.com/video/TF%20820%20Combo%20low.wmv
http://timberpro.com/video/TF%20820%20forw%20low.wmv
http://timberpro.com/video/TB%20620%20logmax%20low.wmv
http://timberpro.com/video/TB%20620%20Saw%20low.wmv
http://timberpro.com/video/2005%20tour_reduced.wmv
http://timberpro.com/video/630%20w%20Rolly.wmv
http://timberpro.com/video/TF%20830%20Features.wmv
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on October 03, 2005, 06:01:35 PM
Great info! Some good showings of mechanical harvesters in action.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Tom on October 03, 2005, 06:25:49 PM
that should keep me busy for a little while. :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: OneWithWood on October 04, 2005, 11:00:26 AM
Thank-you, Clark!  :P
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Octoman on October 04, 2005, 12:20:13 PM
Great collection of videos! :)

The Komatsu design of a combined harvester and forwarder seemed very impressive!  Is it more efficient to use the two separate machines rather than the combined design? ???
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on October 04, 2005, 12:44:05 PM
Ever see those old Koering Feller Forwarders?? They were monsters especially with a ful load of treelength hardwood laying on the bunk behind.

Some info and pictures on the beast  (http://www.stthomasu.ca/~pmacdona/tresearch/ffh.htm)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Timburr on October 04, 2005, 01:10:00 PM
Clark,
you've been busy  :o    Do you collect forestry machine videos as well as FM models.

Octoman,
Combination machines are more of an issue of economics than efficiency, usually driven by small time owner/operator contractors.
There is a father/son team 10 miles from us, who have 1½ harvester and forwarder combos.....1 is full time, the other on standby when needed
They have no intention of joining the big boys.

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on October 05, 2005, 10:55:54 AM
Tree Lengths Are "Cut To Length". Short wood logging in a hemlock/lowland hardwoods stand. Mosher timber harvest; 8/05,

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/cuttiing_to_length.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Oregon Engineer on October 05, 2005, 07:21:20 PM
Check out the attachments, a pic of the Koering tree length and short wood machine.

Look at all the moving heads on the short wood machine!!!

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SYOUNG on October 05, 2005, 09:35:27 PM
Many of our engineers and our President designed most of those Koehring machines.  They were innovative concepts in those early days of mechanized harvesting.  That philosphy and innovation has been passed on to our equipment today.  Thanks for all of the great old pictures.  Over and out from the Koehring home town!

Regards,
Steve Young
Tigercat Industries
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on October 11, 2005, 07:54:57 PM
Valmet Forwarder. Picks up and removes "cut to length" products hand cut from tree lengths pulled to dry ground by the timberjack cable skidder from the wetter soils of the hemlock/lowland hardwoods stand. Mosher timber harvest; 8/05.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/valmet_forwarder.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Rob on November 08, 2005, 05:52:48 PM
Ron ,

        How have you been ? Suprised not too see any new pics on the thread from you in almost a month ??? Im gonna try and get some from the 100 acre cut were doing , hopefully before weeks end .

             Rob
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: tiny3 on November 09, 2005, 02:43:47 AM
hi
hey syoung we still have a 618 koehring feller buncher,very reliable machine.still gets used as a back up machine must have 20000+ hrs on it 8)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on November 13, 2005, 11:05:22 AM
Our logging jobs have slowed down some due to current market conditions so the pictures have slowed down also. Hopefully it will pick up after the rifle deer season and as winter comes on.

We have a lot of oak standing on the stump, but markets are poor at present, so the loggers are "sitting" on it hoping for better prices.  :'(
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on November 13, 2005, 02:03:53 PM
Oak prices are down here in Maine too. Forestys are telling the land owners to wait until the market goes up.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on November 13, 2005, 04:24:26 PM
Ponsse Caribou Forwarder. With tracked rear wheels, it works in a northern hardwood thinning. Cleveland Cliff's timber harvest in Michigan's U.P.; 11/05.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/ponsee_carabou_forwarder.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Rob on November 14, 2005, 05:36:53 PM
The oak market is down here in Southern NH also , we are on a 100 acre select cut for wildlife , mainly deer as the property is soon to be a deer hunting camp . The are some very large red oaks and it's a shame we have to cut them now with the price being nearly $500 per mbf less than it was 6 months ago .. The lot looks very nice almost nothing standing but Red Oak , with some mixed in Hemlock , Pine .. The deer are loving it . I'll try and get some pics as we will be done by weeks end.

              Rob
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on December 11, 2005, 01:36:05 PM
Logger's Service & Supply Truck. This used mobile welder's truck makes a good service and supply truck for the logging company. Mosher lowland hardwoods timber harvest; 9/05.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/s_supply_%26_service_truck.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on December 11, 2005, 01:50:13 PM
Yes that's a dandy. Alot of fellas around here have panel trucks where they can get inside out of the cold, hot sun or bugs and file the saws and fix things for their machines. There's a post up there of mine someplace with one and a forwarder braced against the door for extra security. People like to steal tools on the weekends.  ::)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on January 03, 2006, 03:57:55 PM
Some more Wood Hauler names noted while on the road.

"Hooter Patrol"
"Chapter II"
"Pedlar"
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Reddog on January 04, 2006, 05:54:04 PM
Nice Thread Ron. Thanks for the time you put into all the pictures. And the same to everone else that has posted. Great Forum here lots of good info. 8)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on January 06, 2006, 01:43:07 PM
here is a picture of my BIL cutting aspen on the landing. He's a mechanical engineer  for Bell helicopter down in Fort Worth, TX.  He and my sister were up for christmas, and he wanted to help me out for a few days.  So, after a short trainig period ( he'd never ran a chainsaw before) I put him to work cutting on the landing. He did pretty good too, especially considering the mess I made of the landing( I never ran a skidder before.  Aspen pulp is at $102/cord at the ainsworth osb plant in Grand Rapids.  Lot of money for pulp.  $102/cord-$16/cord= $86/cord on the landing, and this is wood off of our property, so no stumpage.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11286/landingopt.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on January 06, 2006, 02:51:01 PM
That's a good price barbender, it's more than the Burla Group is gonna pay here. They dropped the price to mid 80's pricing. (~$75/cord). No private producer is going to be selling there unless they just like excercise and giving wood away. I'de rather make worm food and pecker poles out of it. Their mill yard is going to be pretty empty for awhile.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: timberjack240 on January 11, 2006, 09:29:09 PM
"pecker poles out of it" we cut a lot of them  ;D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Woodhog on January 12, 2006, 05:34:04 PM
Wow, 75.00 per cord is that landed at the mill...

Here it is the grand price of 47.00 (CDN) on my landing....what a joke!!! :-[
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on January 12, 2006, 06:17:16 PM
No, roadside price Woodhog. We were getting $110 a cord a couple years ago. According to the news tonight UPM in Miramachi is faultering. UPM puts the blame on the inefficiencies of it's labour force, which has caused the mill to be unprofitable for the last 10 years.  And another contributing factor I beleive (and this is speculative) is Irving undercut them on a contract for pulp deliveries by $20/m^3 with cheap crown wood (180,000 m^3). A contract that UPM made with a Quebec company for wood from private sources, but it was never signed.  ::) But, apparently Irving had to obtain wood later from Fraser/Nexfor to overcome a shortfall, because of closed deliveries of private wood.  I got that info from 'Atlantic Forestry Review'. ::) All kinds of fun stuff.  :-\
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: bwalker on January 13, 2006, 07:29:38 PM
Ron, Where was that CCI harvest located?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on January 13, 2006, 07:44:34 PM
bwalker,

The harvest was being done in the area behind the Iron River water tank and the old Bates mine.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: DanG on February 15, 2006, 10:27:56 PM
Had a good time watching this little skidder working in my back yard today.


(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10074/bigskid01.jpg)

They're finally getting underway with the power line I've been whining about for the past 2 years.  This guy is helping to clear the right of way.  Here he is delimbing a twitch by driving over them with the blade.  It's amazing how quickly a good operator can clean up a whack of logs this way.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10074/bigskid03.jpg)


Headed for the landing with a half-truckload behind.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10074/bigskid02.jpg)

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Paul_H on February 15, 2006, 10:35:18 PM
That is some skidder!
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on February 16, 2006, 07:59:10 AM
She looks like she could swim, logs and all. ;)

That's quite a whack of wood.  :)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: DoubleD on February 16, 2006, 08:11:40 AM
That is not a skidder is a SKIDDDEEEEEER
smiley_eek_dropjaw smiley_eek_dropjaw smiley_eek_dropjaw
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SteveB on February 17, 2006, 02:53:09 PM
I guess if you want a big skidder you have to buy Canadian eh?

(Tigercat)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: sawguy21 on February 17, 2006, 05:05:07 PM
Biggest skidder I have ever seen. Paul, I have to wonder how it might work in your part of the woods although doing endo's probably is not an issue. ;D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on February 17, 2006, 05:24:45 PM
I've seen them use skidders up on the Nass River, BC. We laid out most harvest blocks up there for skidder. In the area we were at, the ground was more rolling and not steep mountains. Although we were in full view of coast mountains with snow on their peeks.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on February 19, 2006, 12:30:23 AM
 Was out riding with a buddy of mine yesterday who runs a Ponsse harvester.  He is working on a black spruce clear cut right now, I'll try and post the pics I took.  I love watching those machines- they are amazing.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on February 19, 2006, 12:39:49 AM
I'll try that again(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11286/black%20spruce%20opt.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on February 19, 2006, 12:42:56 AM
 and again                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11286/falling%20another%20stem%20opt.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on February 19, 2006, 12:49:45 AM
some more                                                                                                                           (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11286/come%20here%20opt.jpg)
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11286/processing%20black%20spruce%20opt.jpg)
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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on February 19, 2006, 12:52:32 AM
and one more                                                        (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11286/row%20by%20row%20opt.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: sawguy21 on February 19, 2006, 10:33:13 AM
I have watched skidders a lot and driven them a couple of times, to move them around the yard, but never one 6 wheels. It looks like it might be clumsy to turn and maybe tough to back up.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: DanG on February 19, 2006, 11:32:06 AM
He didn't seem to have any trouble maneuvering, Sawguy.  The thing did seem a bit slow moving around, though.  There was a more normal looking Franklin skidder working with him, and it would run circles around the big guy, but only drag about a fourth as much wood.  That seemed to be more of a traction issue.  He had 4 tires on the ground, and the big'un had 12.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on February 19, 2006, 11:48:52 AM
barbender, where you at? The wood doesn't look much bigger than plantation black spruce, although that doesn't look like plantation. Should have maybe been thinned a long time ago though. Nice peice of equipment. ;)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on February 20, 2006, 08:13:53 PM
Swampdonkey- I am in north- central minnesota. That is just wild grown black spruce in a peat swamp, they never really thin the black spruce around here. All I have seen on black spruce is clear cuts.  The management plan called for aerial reseeding, which they do a lot of around here with both white and black spruce.  Something I thought was cool was my buddy would take a stem and run it into the ground to measure the frost, and keep it going down through the peat until it hit something hard- about twelve feet down.  It's been so unusually mild this winter that there is hardly any frost in the ground, so the loggers have been having a hard time getting at the winter timber in the swamps. The day I took those pictures we had just got a cold snap with lows in the -20 to -30F range, so the job they were working was just freezing enough that the forwarder wasn't breaking through anymore.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on February 20, 2006, 08:35:19 PM
Alot of those black spruce bogs are layered here. The lower branches of a black spruce gets trained by snowload over a period of years and eventually takes root. Often you'll see a taller tree in the middle of little ones circling it. Never had any personal experience with aerial seeding, but I would think it would be fairly successful in moss. They don't do it here, they just plant by hand. Often times, if the logging is timed right in a good seed year there is all kinds of regen in 3 years and alot of those are advanced seedlings from before logging if the stand isn't too dense. The overwintering semi serotinus cones open up in the slash in the heat of the sun during spring and early summer. Terrible slow growing sites though. ;D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on February 21, 2006, 04:27:34 PM
swampdonkey- I didn't check any of these trees but our black spruce grows real slow here. It wouldn't surprise me if those trees in the pics were 75-100 years old.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Rob on March 01, 2006, 06:00:14 PM
Here are a few pics I snapped while at work..select cutting 160 acres in New Hampshire

                             Rob

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10398/skid%20road.jpg)

here is one of the skid roads
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Rob on March 01, 2006, 06:01:37 PM
Here is a downhill view of another skid road

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10398/skid%20road%202.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Rob on March 01, 2006, 06:03:20 PM
Here is a pic of our landing thats our 460D skidder and 384 TMS Prentice delimber/slasher and in the back in the 280 Prentice used for feeding chipper and loading trucks

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10398/landing1.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Rob on March 01, 2006, 06:04:18 PM
Here is a pic of our 425 Timbco heading thru the woods

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10398/Timbco1.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Rob on March 01, 2006, 06:05:17 PM
here is a pic of the timbco with a fresh cut beech in the head

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10398/timbco2.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Rob on March 01, 2006, 06:05:58 PM
another pic of the 460D

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10398/460D.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on March 01, 2006, 07:06:22 PM
Great pictures Rob, thanks. Your settup was similar to a fellow I cruised wood and layed trails out for. He and his partner headed west after the big down turn in the industry and do trucking out there in the northern part of the praries. Alot of outfits had to leave NB in the last couple of years.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on March 18, 2006, 10:20:24 PM
 I'm back cutting the last couple of loads of aspen off of our place, I've been cutting this stuff for the last 5 winters whenever we needed a few bucks. I think I've taken about 140 cords of aspen off our ten acres, almost paid for the property so that worked out pretty good.      (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11286/felled%20aspen%20opt.jpg)
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11286/felled%20aspen%202%20opt.jpg)
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11286/our%20woods%20opt.jpg)
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11286/our%20woods%20II%20opt.jpg)

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on March 18, 2006, 10:23:04 PM
  There is birch mixed in that stand too, but I'm not cutting that. Here's the beast I'm skidding with   (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11286/skid%20trail%20opt.jpg)
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11286/the%20beast%20opt.jpg)
 
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on March 19, 2006, 06:30:27 AM
Aspen sure can yield alot of volume per acre if it's healthy and large stuff. We cut over 300 cords of just aspen on 10 acres in 1983, that was besides the hardwood and softwood that wasn't cut. Only thing was, the rest should have been taken because the stand was too open and the maples died and alot of the softwood blew over and made fertilizer. If your not careful with the amount of basal area you remove around the birch they will start to die back in 3 years, and if you cut one with symptoms it will be full of pocket rot.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on March 22, 2006, 09:40:09 AM
Here goes a load of pulp off of our property  (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11286/Load%20out%201%20opt.jpg)
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11286/load%20out%202%20opt.jpg)
These trucks are running about 100,000lbs. in the winter now, with the third axle they can license for around 90,000lbs and in the winter they can hual 10% over that. The 90,000lb license is new in MN in the last year.  I don't think you'll see as many center mount loaders anywhere as you do in MN, I'd say 90% of the woodhualers have a center mount. What's it like in other areas? I've been a few place out west, and they use those pole trailers that load up onto the truck when they are empty. I have a buddy that worked for a cut to length logger in georgia, they had bunk trailers that they loaded out with the forwarder.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on March 22, 2006, 04:23:08 PM
There are many of them here in Michigan also. Some are pictures in above photos.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on March 22, 2006, 04:38:03 PM
Looks just like here in Carleton county ;)

What is it BWS or EZ-Load stamped on the mud flaps? ;)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: sawguy21 on March 22, 2006, 10:57:26 PM
barbender, you are right, tree length loads are the norm out here. Some operators process in the bush and haul short logs on b-train, particularily to specialty mills. Paul H, Frank Pender, Tillaway and others probably have some pics that would give you grey hairs and religion :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on March 22, 2006, 11:09:50 PM
Serco? Not sure if I understand what you meant swampdonkey  ??? I was out cutting again today- heres some pics     (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11286/landing%20opt.jpg)
Mess in the back of the truck  (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11286/back%20of%20the%20truck%20opt.jpg)
Homebrew skidsteer grapple I use for stacking on the landing   (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11286/grapple%20opt.jpg)
I'm getting pretty attached to this old borrowed Timberjack  (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11286/veiw%20from%20the%20jack%20opt.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on March 22, 2006, 11:21:51 PM
There's a lot of small white pine in here I'm trying to save, you ever notice how a falling tree is attracted to leave trees, like a magnetic force ::)  (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11286/white%20pine%20opt.jpg)
More of the cut area  (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11286/skid%20trail%20opt%7E0.jpg)
Real loggers see my methods and shake their heads- is that a skidder or a forwarder?  (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11286/new%20method%20opt.jpg)
A dandy barber chair, this tree was leaned over at about 45degrees right over some white pines, so I cut it a little at a time while lifting on it with the skidder. Ended up snapping anyways, but I missed the pines for once  (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11286/barberchair%20opt.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on March 22, 2006, 11:24:27 PM
Here's the snag that ended up on top of the skidder in the previous picture   (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11286/hung%20up%20opt.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on March 23, 2006, 04:39:08 AM
barbender, EZ-Load or BWS is a company that makes logging trailors to sell all over the country. Everyone here has them. There used to be alot of self laoders here a few years ago, but they have gone to trailors without loaders for the most part. I prefer the self loader guys when I buy firewood because it's not a hassle to get the firewood hauled and unloaded.

You sure you haven't got any DeMerchant blood in ya? The Demerchant boys are always in those scrapes with trees falling on the skidder and such and the old man tells me 'I can't learn them boys nuthin'. :D :D :D ;) I get a kick out of it. I gotta go out and see the old feller one of these days. He was one of the original guys that set up our marketing system in our area.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on March 23, 2006, 12:35:58 PM
  Swampdonkey- no Demerchant blood here, though I'm sure there's folks that would tell you they "couldn't learn me nuthin' " either  :D. I didn't actually drop that tree on the skidder, it was a snag I was pushing over and it somehow ended up on top of of the machine- same difference maybe ::)  Most of the trailers you see around here are Sta-Lite and Savage, one is made in Cook,Mn and the other in Wisconsin I think. Then they usually have a Serco or Lemco loader on them, which are both made pretty close to here. Shop at home, I guess.  I am starting to see a few more bunk trailers without loaders now, probably haul another 1 1/2 cords without one.  You still see a few pole length trailers around here to, a few with front mount loader (those guys can throw on a load quick! I've had a fellow with that set-up haul house logs for me a couple of times)  The main reason I think there are still so many center-mounts is the way people log around here. The big outfits go in and hammer the wood down, and it may be 2 weeks after the woods crew is gone before the trucks even show up to start hauling. A buddy that works for one of them said that they had a couple thousand cords out ahead of the trucks at one point. I guess  it just makes the logistics a lot easier.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on March 23, 2006, 01:50:48 PM
Quote from: barbender on March 23, 2006, 12:35:58 PM
  I didn't actually drop that tree on the skidder, it was a snag I was pushing over and it somehow ended up on top of of the machine- same difference maybe.

:-X :-X
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SteveB on March 24, 2006, 12:02:49 PM
Trailer configurations are an interesting subject.  It really depends on overall logging systems used.  I've seen setups where bunk trailers are loaded by forwarder, which requires a spare trailer to be left to load at the block while the truck's hauling the full trailer.  In a jam the forwarder piles the wood roadside to load the trailer later, but that's lots of handling for an expensive forwarder to do when it should be movign wood.  This setup is usually more popular with smaller stump-to-dump operations. 

If you need to move alot of wood from one place, ie. 800ha clearcut in Northern Ontario, it's worthwhile to float a dedicated loader in to make loading of the trailers fast (for either tree length or CTL).  A loader can usually support a fleet of 6-8 trucks, so when you move one in, you better have the inventory / hot logging production to keep all the trucks and loader going.  In these situations, when trucks get stuck, broken down, etc. you're not just wasting the $ tied up in the trucks not producting but also a loader at a high $/scheduled hour cost.  In additon to quick loading times, loaderless trailers legally haul more wood per trip.

In situations where small volumes are beign produced, ie. small blocks or a single team of gear picking away at a large block, it makes sense to send in a self loader truck in sporadically to move fresh wood, rather than having to build up a big enough inventory of wood to justify floating in a loader.
Self loaders are also good in multiproduct sort CTL operations that demand flexibility to supply a varitey of mills with the right products just in time.  For example, a fleat of self loaders might have to haul from  three or four different blocks simultaneously in order to supply seperate pulp mill, osb, veneer, softwood and hardwood mills with their requirements just-in-time.  If one road goes to @#$ becuase of bad weather you don't have a loader trapped in there and have the flexibility to go somewhere drier if you can with a self loader. Self loaders are often used to "clean up" the last few loads in blocks primairly hauled with straight (loaderless) trailers.  Another advantage of self loaders is they can unload themselves in a pinch at the mill if there are lineups for the loader or it's down.

I am surprised swamp donkey hasn't mentioned detach-loader tucks.  They're prety popular in the Canadian Maratime provinces, but I haven't seen many anywhere else.  They've got a heay duty self loader that's center mounted that gives the trucker flexibility similar to a self loader to move his own loader around from block to block, but the mount enables the trucker to leave his loader at the block to decrease his tare weight, and increase payload.  The detach loaders are a bit more robust and have a bit longer reach than the more permanently mounted self loaders so they can load faster, but you'e got to go back to the same block again to make them worth it.  Basically they are a hybrid of the two other systems.

Loading cross-ways seems to be a reigonal thing too.  Obvioulsy, you can only do it if you're moving 8' wood.  I know in some regions you're not allowed to load this way any more.  For instance, in new brunswick I dont' think you'r eallowed to sell trailers set up for this any more, but you can still load this way if you already have a trailer set up this way.  The load aligning drums that the trucks drive through to straighten the load out are quite the sight to see in action.  Somone should put up a picture of them.

Combination trailers are interesting too.  They can convert to haul chips or logs.  They're kind of an experimental thing here but are used in europe.  They are good if you're route is condusive to hauling chips in one general direction and logs in another, minimizing the amount of travel done empty.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on March 24, 2006, 12:49:26 PM
Steve, I havn't seen many detached loaders around private woodlots. Possibly used more on crown lands. Alot of guys do have a dedicated loader truck with Prentice loaders and load trailors without self loaders. Those guys usually don't own trucks, they hire the trucking. It's funny the guys trucking off private get way more than off crownlands. The industrial land barons keep beating the rates down. So, if your atually a trucker and making money, it's best to keep it to yourself. But, some of those guys don't know enough not to brag. ;)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SteveB on March 24, 2006, 02:11:18 PM
I've always wondered about those loader trucks.  I've seen a few of them in the woods but never acutally watched them work.  Seems like you'd need to have a road wide enough for the loader and trailer side by side?  Do these loadertruck setups limit themselves compared to a tracked loader that can sit off to the side of the road?  Do you have to build wider in-block roads for them?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on March 24, 2006, 03:00:11 PM
The loader truck sits behind the trailor and loads over the back if they have treelength. If it's 100" wood then they may have to sit side by side. Alot of guys use straight trucks in small operations and close to mills, so they load over the back if it's 100" wood.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Coon on March 25, 2006, 11:42:47 AM
For any of you Canadian's here have you read the article called "Working Double time"  in the latest copy of Canadian Forest Industries?  It tells alot about the new fad of multi-use trailers in Canada.  Although it is commonly used in Europe it is in the beginning works of becoming very popular here in western Canada.  They claim that the best way to make money with one of these is to use it on a triangular shaped route and hauling on atleast two legs of the route.  It is also considerably more to get set up with one of these trailers at being about $40,000 more than a conventional chip van.  I feel that one of the biggest downfalls to these trailers is the downtime to convert from chips to logs or vise versa.  2.5 hours each time you need to convert is an awefull lot of time to be down if you ask me.

Read this article if you haven't already.  It may just open your eyes a little at what some of the logging operations are trying to achieve these days.

Brad.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: slowzuki on April 03, 2006, 12:00:02 PM
Here is a set of pulp rollers, they are about 45 min west of Miramichi on the way to Little Sheephouse Falls (waterfall)

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10897/DSC03876.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on April 03, 2006, 01:08:54 PM
slozuki, are they the ones over by McGraw Brook? They've been there for 25 years I think, I remember them as a kid. There used to be a zoo and park and ranger office near there.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: slowzuki on April 03, 2006, 01:40:11 PM
Swampy I don't know, I've only ever been there once and it seemed to be in the middle of nowhere on the road to the old mines.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: slowzuki on April 03, 2006, 01:44:09 PM
"Reserve of spruce fir and white pine forest, spring-fed brooks and waterfalls, interpretative signing looped trails with walking bridge, steep rock cliffs. Entrance is accessed off the Fraser Burchill road from Rte 430 approx. 48 km (30 mi.) northwest of Newcastle(Miramichi). A specific interest is the trunk of a 350 years old white pine displayed at the trail head. Dry groomed trail"
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on April 03, 2006, 02:19:55 PM
McGraw Brook dumps into the Renous river off route 108, SW of Miramichi. Probably a different area than you suggested. Your description sounds like Heath Steel country over on the Nepisiquit License, or the Sevogle License. But, I believe it's Nepisiquit, quite certain. That's not far from Popple Depot in one direction and Heath Steel back toward bathurst. 'The Big South' it's called near Big Bald Mountain. Any of that sound familiar? ;D There ain't anyplace much I haven't been to in NB by hoof or by wheel. :D :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: slowzuki on April 03, 2006, 03:20:22 PM
Big baldy sounds familier, the falls that I grabbed the directions from is located in the REPAP nature park the rollers are about 10 k or less from there.  Was 4 years ago that I was there, and before I owned a GPS.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on April 03, 2006, 03:59:22 PM
Yeah, Heath Steel is kind of at the divide between the North West Br of the Mirimachi/Sevogle and the Nepisiquit. Since you mentioned RePAP, that would lean more toward the Mirimachi/Sevogle R drainage. But seems to me it was Repap that had the logging camp up along the Nepisiquit River where I stayed during forestry fall camp. The bridge crossing the river was named after Heath Steel. Anyway a fella could toss a wooden coin in the air up there and if the wind was blowing right, it would float down the Mirimachi or down the Nepisiquit. :D :D :D

I never walked the nature trail up there, but the woodlands manager (might even been higher up then that) at the time put that park together during the 1995 blow down up there to appease the protestors who where making a fuss about the logging companies cleaning up the mess. I remember old Sunny, who ran the half way inn on the 108, he had to take a bunch of them do gooders out for a ride to show them some old growth. Opened up a few eyes as I recall. I recall a website they put up and who ever took the photos of the area, didn't know where they were. I know the area like my own woodlot and when I seen a photo of Lake Serpentine mislabled I emailed the guy responsible. Surprisingly, I did get a reply, but he played dumb at the time and didn't even recall what he had on his site. Anyway, the site has disappeared into oblivian since, and the fuss has all subsided. I've been in that country, pretty much since they opened it up with forestry roads and have been to every lake and stream 3 m wide or more. Alot of times we walked for at least an hour to get to them, sometimes took 3 hours to walk out though. :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: slowzuki on April 03, 2006, 04:10:14 PM
Heath Steel, yes that name was on a sign very near the gravel road we turned onto on our way there.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on April 24, 2006, 08:27:11 PM
Northern Hardwood Thinning. Selective harvest thinning to 70-90 sq. ft. basal area with gap openings. Wittke timber harvest; 4/06.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/hardwood_thinning_witkke_sale.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on April 25, 2006, 06:03:34 PM
"Tailgate" Safety Session. The Michigan Association of Timbermen (MATSIF) Safety Officer travels around to active timber harvests, inspects their safety performances and provides required "tailgate" safety sessions.

Here the "experienced" tree fallers are paying attention as the Safety Officer provides the required safety training session on chain saw use and tree falling. A "Timber Jill" is on the right. Wittke timber harvest; 1/06.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/chain_saw_safety.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on April 26, 2006, 06:18:30 AM
They are suppose to come around our thinning crews, but in all the years I've been in this business I've never seen a soul. We leave DNR and the Marketing Board maps and photos. Up here we are required to have work permits from DNR to be in the woods as well as fire suppression equipment.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SteveB on April 26, 2006, 09:23:15 AM
Swampdonkey,

When I was in New Brunswick a government occupational safety (WSB?) guy used to come around periodically to check on us.  I never actually saw the guy, but several of the mechanical operations I looked after were visited by him.  He would sometimes call me up and ask where the gear was working, and I know he would also go out and check on the brushsaw thinners periodically.  This was all on crown land though, not sure about private.  From what I could tell from talking to him on the phone and from what people said after they were inspected he was a prety good guy.  I remeber having to get a work permit from DNR and giving them a list of fire suppression stuff on site whenever we strated a new block on freehold land.  It was kind of an archaic system, filling out a paper form, while the system for notifying the DNR of Crown acrivities was all computerized (due to the electronic scaling, more intensive monitoring, etc. on crown).  On crown land in New Brunswick, Alberta and Ontario fire equipement inspections are done by both government and supervisors from the private company that holds the forest licence.  One interesting thing i came across in Southern new brunswick was the prevelance of water pump theft.  Since there is a water tank and pump kept on site wherever there's a forwarder working, people would steal the pump off the tank and supposedly use them to watter pot plantations.  Ah yes...  weird thefts on forestry operations, there's enough for another thread.  Sad that people target harvest contractors,with the theives incorrectly thinking that the stuff is the property of the big bad forestry company or that the contractor can afford to be a theft victim because he (really the bank until the machine's scrap) owns a $400 000 machine.

Muffler Modifications:
I notice people on this forum talking about modifing chainsaw mufflers.  With the work I have done in both Alberta and New Brunswick, anyone who modiffied the muffler and specifically the spark arrestor on a brush saw or chainsaw would definitly have to imediately stop working with that equipment due to fire risk and writen warning given.  Repeat "offenders" would definitly be fired or loose their contract, and I imagine if a fire strated near silvictural or chiansaw operatins, investigators would be checking for muffler modficatins on any equipment, and I wouldn't want to be the one that had the muffler drilled.  I would just guess that in the age of litigation, the same probably holds true in the US.  If the forest burns, right or wrong someone's going to be looking for a forest worker to pin the blame to (and possibly send the bill for the fire fighting).
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on April 26, 2006, 03:58:22 PM
Another jobber on another of my timber harvests was visited by the Michigan Association of Timbermen's  (MAT) insurance inspector this morning. The falling crew was individually checked for safe tree falling operations and a good chain saw use safety session was provided.

The safety inspector said that he had checked another of my jobbers yesterday and all went well there also. All have been passing and are receiving their certificates with increased safety aweareness to tree falling.

Most cutters have years of experience falling trees, but I'm glad that MAT is taking the "game of logging" methods right out on the jobs to reach many of the loggers who probably wouldn't get the specific safety training.

After 45 years "in the woods", I'm finding that tree falling is a real science and skill to be learned correctly. I appreciate the effort being made by the MAT in this regard and feel better about the skills of our loggers.  smiley_hardhat


Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on April 26, 2006, 07:44:17 PM
Chainsaw Safety Training. The MATSIF safety officer looks over 3 aspen sawlog trees for "testing" the tree fallers on for their chain saw certification. Wittke timber harvest; 1/06.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/chainsaw_safety_session.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SteveB on April 27, 2006, 08:39:21 AM
Ron,

Is there mandatory chainsaw training for workers in your parts, or are these checkups, etc. voluntary? 

In canada there are several types of chainsaw certification required for anyone getting paid to use a chainsaw.  The most basic mandatory course is two days, and then you need to take a refresher 1 day course every few years.  The requirements are slightly different between different provinces. 

In Ontario you need the basic chiansaw course to work with one, and then if you are logging you need to do  a more specific cut and skid course, that requires that an experinced certified supervisor sign off on an on-the-job component once you've put in some time.  New Brunswick also has a similar two tiered system for general chiansaw use and logging.  I can't remember the details, but this is generally how it works.  In New Brunswick you're not allowed to use a chiansaw alone eaither, so technically there's no need to have a chiansaw in your pickup as you drive to work unless you've got a passenger.


Supervisors from the forest products companies are required to make sure all employes of any logging contractor working for them are properly trained and certified.  I was always worried that the 50 yr old loggers would be opposed to a 28 year old kid supervisor telling them they need their mandatory refresher course in the spring before they can start work again, but most are prety good about it saying that a safety refresher is good and they learn alot even after many years of experince.  I guess you can kill yourself or co-worker as easily logging as you can driving, so that's why there's training and licencing for both.  In Ontario they are also bringing in mechaized logging safe work practices certification along the lines of the chainsaw courses, with a work experince component.  As most logging in most areas is now strictly mechanized, very few loggers have the safety course, so they are actually not allowed to pull out a chiansaw to cut a tree from across a road, etc.  It sounds crazy as all the older guys on mechanized jobs worked for years doing cut and skid work, and even did horse logging before the skidders, but without the course they can't use a saw in any type of work setting.  In this day and age, if a freak accident happened to an uncertified chainsaw user and the supervisor couldn't prove that he did everything to prevent it he could be fined, jailed, etc.  About this time a year ago I had to have a buncher on a float remove a tree from across a road because no-one has chainsaws or is certified. 

Crazy how lawyers have so much influence in the most unlikely places.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: sawguy21 on April 27, 2006, 10:20:29 AM
I wonder if I need the course to legally start and demo a saw for a customer. We don't have a test log or a place to put one. I'm being serious, the employer liability issue is huge and the regulations here are mind boggling ::)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on April 27, 2006, 10:31:58 AM
If the logging companies are insured through the Michigan Timbermen's self insurance program, their cutters then need to be certified in proper chain saw use and tree falling and safe other logging practices.

They are having their own inspector, trainer actually going out on the jobs to make it easier for the loggers to obtain their certifications since most don't have or take the time to attend specific formal classroom sessions. They are reaching more of the woodsworkers this way.

It's fun to hear the dialogs between the "oldtimers" who have been falling trees for years and the relatively young trainer who  provides the certifications. All do appreciate the safety updates, new information, methods etc. however.  A great benefit to the "new workers".
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on April 27, 2006, 07:35:20 PM
Chainsaw Safety. The MATSIF Safety Officer demonstrates proper and acceptable cutting for safe falling of the aspen tree to the "working"loggers. Each must then demonstrate the proper technique to receive their certification in chainsaw safety. Wittke timber harvest 1/06.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/chainsaw_safety_training.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on April 28, 2006, 07:24:27 PM
Falling Large American Beech Tree. The cutter prepares to fall a large American Beech Tree for bucking into sawlogs and pulpwood. Wittke timber harvest 4/06.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/falling_beech_tree.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on April 28, 2006, 08:01:35 PM
That is a brute. It's amazing that beech stays so smooth even when old growth. Unless it's diseased of course.  :)

I remember having a call for beech saw timber from some outfit in NS. I said you'd have to high grade all our good disease resistant beech in New Brunswick to find enough decent saw material for your mill.  ::)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: OLD_ JD on April 28, 2006, 09:58:44 PM
at what we get for beech sawlog :(....here they all go in firewood ;)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on April 29, 2006, 05:43:38 PM
I think we get up to $350/th for the good stuff, and not all the bucking and handling involved as with firewood. I gotta wonder how many people never figure in the bucking and extra time to process firewood. I know I've heard my uncle say several times, that his time isn't work much or the government would be taxing it. :D :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: OLD_ JD on April 29, 2006, 09:34:16 PM
we avrage aroud $275 mbf here if you  take 70$ for transport and split by 2 for the land owner = 102.5$ each......now if i do 5 to 6 face corde at $75 each less the $10 for stump fee and i do local transport...$325 to $390 all in cash money ;D..
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on April 30, 2006, 10:10:13 PM
"Timber". The cutter makes his final cut and the large American Beech tree starts its fall. Note the stump rot and seam that the cutter had to deal with in making a safe fall.

The butt portion of this tree will be bucked off and useable sawlogs, pulpwood, and firewood will be harvested from the remainder of the tree. Wittke timber harvest; 4/06.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/beech_tree_falling_.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 06, 2006, 02:16:25 PM
Artic Cat ATV, "Little Timberjack"; Parked next to the timberjack cable skidder. The  on the job foreman uses the Artic Cat ATV to scout out the harvest area and run between cutting units as needed to check on cutters, haul chainsaws,fuel, lunches etc.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/artic_cat_atv_timberjack.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on May 06, 2006, 08:15:21 PM
Quote from: OLD_ JD on April 29, 2006, 09:34:16 PM
we avrage aroud $275 mbf here if you  take 70$ for transport and split by 2 for the land owner = 102.5$ each......now if i do 5 to 6 face corde at $75 each less the $10 for stump fee and i do local transport...$325 to $390 all in cash money ;D..

I only pay $190/cord this year. Stumped, bucked, split, delivered to my yard. Of course I have mostly rock maple and yellow birch, and I pay by cheque. If it were a sawlog beech, it would be more profitable to sell as logs depending on quantity unless your labour and machine hours mean nothing. No purchase tax here anyway on primary forest products, only income tax if selling. ;)  ::)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Gary_C on May 06, 2006, 09:56:06 PM
Quote from: Ron Scott on April 27, 2006, 10:31:58 AM
If the logging companies are insured through the Michigan Timbermen's self insurance program, their cutters then need to be certified in proper chain saw use and tree falling and safe other logging practices.


Ron

Can you explain this self insurance program?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 07, 2006, 12:06:51 PM
Gary, See their web site for full information.

http://www.matsif.com/
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 09, 2006, 04:58:24 PM
The Old Iron Mule. An older forwarder that continues to perform well, especially in selection harvests. Austin timber harvest; 4/06.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/iron_mule_older_forwarder.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 29, 2006, 06:53:14 PM
More names noted on the woodhauler trucks. 

"Timber Wolf"
"Attitude"
"Smoking Joe"
"One Olf"
"Low Rider"
"Woody"
"Just Dew It"
"Lucky"
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: bitternut on May 29, 2006, 10:17:08 PM
UUUMMMMM.........Ron it looks like maybe the Mat safety officer was not in the vicinity of the guy felling that big beech tree. From the picture it looks like he did not move away from the tree at least 15' and at a 45 deg angle from the direction of fall. What do you think?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 30, 2006, 04:21:50 PM
Yes, The MAT Safety Officer made a point of discussing that with him and the other fallers observing, especially the 45 degree angle from direction of fall. A good refresher for all in attendance.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Gary_C on June 03, 2006, 01:51:42 AM
Here are some pictures of my cut to length equipment.

Valmet 546 Harvester
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11467/Valmet-546H.jpg)

Valmet 840 Forwarder Filled with fuel for the next day. Just traded a single bunk Valmet 644 for this machine this winter. I needed the extra capacity and the 6 wheel machine with tracks.
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11467/Valmet-840.jpg)

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11467/Valmet-840-2.jpg)


Load of Aspen Pulp  All tied down and ready to roll. Jan 26, 05
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11467/Load-of-Aspen-Pulp.jpg)


Unloading Pulp wood at the mill This was taken July 8, 05

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11467/Unloading-Pulp.jpg)


Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on June 04, 2006, 10:52:03 PM
Nice looking equipment there Gary. What mill is that?  If you don't mind me asking, what do you have invested in your team? I'm just curious cause I dream about having a team someday too, but I know it won't be new Ponsse's. Way too much dinero $$$. 
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: UNCLEBUCK on June 16, 2006, 01:53:54 AM
Very cool equipment everyone has ! I will be thinking of all these pictures when I go to the woods soon with my old tractor and a 5 gallon can of gas and chainsaw .  You all could yank out more logs in one day than I will in 2 months.  But it sure is fun to see the pictures . 
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on June 19, 2006, 06:09:33 PM
High Stumps Stump heights for sawlog size trees are to be cut to 12 inches. Here the sawyer recuts a "high stump" for contract compliance. Austin timber harvest; 6/06.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/cutting_high_stumps1.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on June 20, 2006, 04:15:59 AM
Ron, here is a link to procedures used to report residue and waste on crownlands in BC. I remember doing some of those surveys and you were partly doing forensics to piece together or reason certain situations. If you didn't you were constantly digging the logger even if he was following regulations in his logging practice especially when it came to WHSCC. In your pic, it almost looks like defect at the butt so the cut was made high. But, I
assume they are harsh on compliance with the contract.

http://www.for.gov.bc.ca/hva/manuals/rwprocedures/

[Furgott the link] ;D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on June 20, 2006, 08:15:43 AM
Yes, in defective trees and in large multi-stem trunks such as oak the trees may be cut high, but then the high stump must be lowered to 12 inches or less.

We will allow some designated high stumps for wildlife purposes, etc. but not many excessive high stumps.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Raphael on June 23, 2006, 10:20:23 AM
Great thread!!!

Last time our property was logged (we are on a 20-25yr cycle) it was one man and his cable skidder.  He was excellent, a far better operator than the fellows who were here in the late 60s who managed to hit every tree within 15ft of the main skid road.



I do some very limited selective timber harvesting for my own use and need to up the capacity of my "skidder".
Here are a couple pictures from the other end of the spectrum:

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/12870/GtLS-loading.jpg)
Here's Dad securing a small Hickory log.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/12870/GtLS.jpg)
A long maple on it's way to the mill.

Anyone skidding with less than 12hp.    :D ;D :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on June 27, 2006, 05:37:19 PM
Trimming Slash. Aesthetics of the harvest area is always a concern. The feller trims the slash to lie within 4 feet of the ground or less concurently with cutting. Austin timber harvest; 6/06.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/trimming_slash.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: timberjack240 on June 27, 2006, 09:16:07 PM
Trimming Slash.
round here we call that "lop the tops" ...

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Tom on June 27, 2006, 09:39:23 PM
Around here, it is trimming slash too if it is big enough.  There was a time when it was justs as good a pulpwood as the logs, but, they've done away with the short-wood pulpwooder.

Now, instead of sawing a lot of it up with a chainsaw, it is run over with skidders or other big forest equipment to mash it close to the ground, where it will rot.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on June 27, 2006, 11:52:44 PM
The contract wording for handling slash is "lop and scatter". It is cut with chain saw and or run over with forwarder, skidder, feller buncher, etc. to lie as close to the ground as possible.

Some high slash may be designated for leaving during the operation for wildlife purposes and firewood removal by the forester administering the harvest.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on June 28, 2006, 05:10:28 AM
Quote from: Ron Scott on June 27, 2006, 05:37:19 PM
Trimming Slash. Aesthetics of the harvest area is always a concern. The feller trims the slash to lie within 4 feet of the ground or less concurently with cutting. Austin timber harvest; 6/06.

A local logger told me this spring if he can look out across his cut block and see a big top stuck up there 12 feet in the air he knows someone in his crew has wasted wood. He told me he has to lean hard on his crew to always use all the wood.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on June 28, 2006, 10:53:15 AM
That's what we want, good wood utilization of all commercial wood. Our standard "rule of thumb" is that "everything is left straight with the world". "All uncut trees are left straight up and down and all slash is left horizontal with the ground so we can see across the stand".
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on July 03, 2006, 12:54:27 PM
Iron Mule Forwarder. At work; Austin timber harvest; 6/06.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/iron_mule_j_budd.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: David_c on July 03, 2006, 05:44:53 PM
Ron how much wood do those Irion mules hual out at once?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on July 03, 2006, 07:38:18 PM
Approximately 1.5 cords or about 750 bd. ft. average when carrying mostly 8 foot lenghts.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: David_c on July 04, 2006, 01:47:15 AM
Thanks thougt it was something like that.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: mugford1 on July 04, 2006, 12:07:26 PM
Rubberboots with kevlar are safty but they are egendering  perspiring feet.  Against this drawback are special fleecesocks helping. If you wear this socks, you can work the whole day and in the evening when you put off the rubberboots, your feet are dry.

The same is being valid for leather boots with kevlar.



8)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Woodhog on July 04, 2006, 08:30:14 PM
Would you have an internet link that describes the above mentioned socks...my feet need all the help they can get in those rubber caskets...Thanks
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on July 05, 2006, 04:42:06 AM
You can also get a kind of slipper from Mark's Work Warehouse, Zellers used to carry them also. They are blue-gray in color and only ride up to ankle hieght. I find them and some good polymer insoles make my feet comfy in those safety chaulk (we call'm cork) boots. I'm like you Woodhog, my feet need to be in comfort or I feel like a crippled old man by 5 pm.  Now if they could just make those boots so they don't chaiffe the hair of your legs. :(
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: mugford1 on July 05, 2006, 06:43:06 AM
Hello Woodhog,

got to this link: http://www.hellyhansen.com. Helly Hansen . An other pic is here:http://www.wobestellen.de/td-socken+heavy+navy-833964-2945.htm

Helly Hansen produces the best workwear for logging. In Germany all men who are working in the forest wearing this clothes.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on July 05, 2006, 07:08:09 AM
I've never had any better luck with HH than I have with Viking or Husqy. A pair of those boots will barely last a season when working in thinnings. The sides and edges that are thin rubber always break down. The best set of rain gear I had was from a supplier in BC with double lined bibs and coat. Don't waste your good money on Gortex garments, you can buy that stuff for $2-3 a square foot and these big name brands stick an outrageous price on them. The best Gortex boot I ever had and still use is made by Red Wing in the US. I've had others and they break down before a year. My current boots are 3 years old.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: David_c on July 05, 2006, 07:44:02 PM
I have a pair of Rocky boots with goretex that have lasted about 3 years now. They do need to be resoled, but the goretex is none the worse for wear.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on July 09, 2006, 10:47:33 PM
Woodhauler, "Get R Dun". Loads Sawlogs from along the two track access road through the timber harvest area. Austin timber harvest; 6/06.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/woodhauler_get_r_dun.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Tom on July 11, 2006, 10:24:02 PM
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10026/tom-spencers-6-11-007.JPG)
CTL Chain Saw

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10026/tom-spencers-6-11-009.JPG)
Barko 225

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10026/tom-spencers-6-11-003.JPG)
Sorting cypress with a Barko 225

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10026/tom-spencers-6-11-005.JPG)
Curt's Barko 225
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on July 12, 2006, 06:39:23 PM
Looks like you have some sawing to do, for sure. Looks like an off bearer sitten back waiting for some boards to tale. Can't disappoint him. ;D

{tried posting early this morning but the server was down or something}  :'(
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on July 30, 2006, 07:58:10 PM
Woodhauler "Get R Dun" leaves the harvest area with another load of hardwood sawlogs. Austin timber harvest; 5/06

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/woodhauler_get_r_dun%7E0.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: sawguy21 on July 30, 2006, 09:50:27 PM
That is interesting, four drive axles on a shortlog truck. Must be tough on tires. ???
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: ScottAR on July 31, 2006, 12:40:47 AM
Just guessing, but I bet two of those axles are air up cheaters...  I'd say the front one and the back one...   
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on August 03, 2006, 07:33:24 PM
Woodhauler Get R Dun; "picks up steam" as it moves a load of sawlogs out over the two-track access road. Austin timber harverst 5/06.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/woodhauler_get_r_dun1.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: isawlogs on August 09, 2006, 10:57:14 AM
 
For those of you who ever wundered how they got the chips out of the trucks when they got to the mills ..   

                       
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10487/t%E9mis025.jpg)
 
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10487/T%E9mis032.jpg)

This was taken at the Tembec mill in Témiscamingue Québec . Both wear being unloaded at the same time .

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on August 09, 2006, 02:18:26 PM
Great pictures Marcel. I was surprised no one had posted similar before. I've seen them do the same at Nackawick. It is also a Tembec mill, co-owned by Burla in India, where they make Rayon for clothing.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on August 12, 2006, 07:31:28 PM
No equipement on my land as yet.They just came in to cut for a few days to try to get ahead of the forwarder.Here's a white pine that is a 3 footer.
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10436/log2.jpg)

This tree is about 80 years old.There are many more trees of this size to be cut.I have more pictures in my gallery if you want to view them.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on August 12, 2006, 07:40:05 PM
I'm sure those are pine, right? I was curious if you folks have some good sized white ash in your area. The big ones have been harvested in my area, as there is a mill that buys ash exclusively. For my inquiry, a big one is over 24 inches on the butt. We'll have some nice ash again if folks don't keep pulping it along with aspen.  ::)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on August 12, 2006, 08:03:01 PM
Yes, I said they were white pine.There's been a logger about 10 minutes from me that has been hauling out big white ash,as you say,all summer.I know there are some bigger than 2 feet on the butt.I'm surprized to see it that big.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on August 12, 2006, 08:08:53 PM
Had to go back and read a second time, as I missed it on the first read. ;)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on August 12, 2006, 08:11:39 PM
Now , if we can keep the emerald ash borer out of here.  ::)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on August 28, 2006, 09:32:02 PM
Here's a few pictures of what they are doing on my land.
all loaded,ready to go
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10436/log25.jpg)

Picking up another log.
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10436/log7%7E0.jpg)
A big log.
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10436/log23.jpg)

More pictures will be coming of the forwader.Our new camera don't do all that great with the bright sun.Check out my gallery for more pictures.

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: adirondack harvester on August 29, 2006, 10:58:50 AM
Nice Pictures!  A few questions though.  What equipment are they using to harvest your pine other than the forwarder?  Are they taking pulp out as well?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on August 29, 2006, 08:54:02 PM
They are using 2 brand new Husky 372 with 20 inch bars.The pulp will be coming out at a later time.The forwarder operator pulls the pulp out by his roads and when they feel they have enough,out it comes.They really push the logs.Really no money in pine pulp here,just cleans up the woods.They will also bring out the cedar and hemlock too.The cedar and hemlock is for me to cut on my mill.They only cut what is in the way as far as anything besides white pine.They was in a small stand of cedar and pine.No sense in knocking it down and get nothing for it.They are leaving pine that is 2 feet through.I can handle that size myself.I've been watching this guy cut for more than 20 years.He always does a real nice job on the lots I've walked on.He knows that I am real picker with my land.It would not bother me one bit to kick him off my land if it wasn't coming out the way I feel it should be.So far it coming out good.Sure does look alot differant now.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: mapleveneer on September 25, 2006, 04:25:37 AM
I have spent last week and this on work in New Zealand.  Lots of timbering both on the north island and the south island.  Most of it I believe is Douglas fir but someone from the west coast would be much more authoritative on the subject  ;).  Trucking is done almost exclusively on  a straight rig hauling a pup trailer.  Return trip (empty) the pup is loaded on the back of the truck.  Stakes on the truck fold down, on some units the pup stakes fold down also.  I don't see anything like this on the east coast US so I found it quite interesting.  Happened to see one trucker loading the pup onto the back of his rig at the port in Lyttleton.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10444/untitled1.jpg)


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I took a tourist tour in Rotorua on the north island and learned that they introduced a variety of species a number of years ago as an experiment and found that Douglas fir did quite well.  So most everything is now planted to that.  He said that they could grow a commercial tree in 25 years.

Interesting, I am on the forum at 3:59 am ET and there are still 2 members on, and 9 guests. 
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: sawguy21 on September 25, 2006, 04:36:10 AM
I can't sleep either :D Those are interesting pics from NZ. We don't see truck and pup setups like that here. Pole trailers for hauling tree length are piggy backed like that though. Short logs are usually hauled on a single semi trailer or b-train.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ianab on September 25, 2006, 04:46:07 AM
Hi Maple

The logs you saw are likely to be Doug Fir, there is a fair bit of that grown here, especially in the South Island. But most of the plantations (90%) are Radiata pine. They will produce good (2-3ft+) dia sawlogs in around 25 years. The Doug fir takes a bit longer, although is a better construction timber.

The truckers haul the trailers piggyback mostly to reduce the road tax they have to pay. All the trucks and trailers have hub meters, so if the trailer ones aren't spinning on the return trip it saves them 25% off the tax.  ;)

They have also recently changed the regulations to allow longer traliers, allows them to carry 2 smalller bunks of logs at a reduced height. Makes the trailer more stable, there were a couple of messy crashes involving overturning trailers.

Cheers

Ian
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: mapleveneer on September 25, 2006, 04:52:46 AM
I met some of these trucks hauling logs on the north island last week.  If they didn't break the truck into two units it would never make it around the curves on the highways.

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: sawguy21 on September 25, 2006, 11:01:21 AM
Ian, charging tax by the mile or km on the truck AND trailer is a nasty concept. :o I hope our politicians don't catch onto that one. Here, the trailers are piggy backed to save fuel and time on the return trip and space while turning around at the logging site. The trailer also adds weight to the drivers for badly needed traction on our steep logging roads.
Interesting about the Douglas fir being grown in NZ. I expect the climate is similar to our west coast so it should do well.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: David_c on September 30, 2006, 12:14:26 AM
Few pics from job I am subbing on 1,300 acers.

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: David_c on September 30, 2006, 12:20:45 AM
Couple more.


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: David_c on September 30, 2006, 10:30:48 AM
Couple more.

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Rob on September 30, 2006, 04:33:30 PM
Nice looking older Timbco there your working with David , Rolly II head ..I have always liked those processing heads . So who did you get hooked up with out there anyway ? CTL crew by the looks of it , it's not Jon is it ?

Well glad to see your busy working anyway that is always a plus :) Did you ever get rid of your 380 or you still have that also with your 518 ? I assume your hand cutting and yarding with your skidder on this job . Well hey keep intouch and keep the pictures coming . We just had a job in your home town to harvest in Richmond , we subbed it out not sure to whom though , too far for us to travel .

                                             Later Rob
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: sawguy21 on September 30, 2006, 11:22:26 PM
I love this thread  8) 8)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: David_c on October 01, 2006, 09:25:58 AM
Yea Rob I am subbing out to Jon. Still have the 380 :'( Yup all I do is cut and skid to where forwarder can come get it to bring to main landing. The forwarder I call the devourer. It just devours wood, 16 ton capacity.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: adirondack harvester on October 02, 2006, 01:37:18 PM
Great pictures David!  Keep 'em coming.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Rob on October 02, 2006, 06:04:32 PM
Thats cool , see Jon upgraded his equipment line up , from the Bell and cat cable skidder to Timbco and forwarder... How does he like the CTL so far ? Chadwick & BaRoss are done with the Timberjack lineup since Deere takeover and was talking with one of the Mechanics the other week and now they are going to be the New England Ponsee dealer ... Dont know how it's gonna work for them as not many CTL guys here in Southern NH ..well yet anyway

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: David_c on October 02, 2006, 07:34:59 PM
Rob I think it is kind of a love it and hate it kinda thing. Loves it when it is up and cutting wood. Hates it when it is broke down again.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ed_K on October 02, 2006, 09:06:06 PM
 Kool set up David, are you still working after yesterdays 3+" of rain? Only productive thing I did today was change pins & bushing on the steering pistons on the taylor  ;D .

Rob, I like the ponsee line, just wish they were priced lower. I'm thinking of going CTL for the improvement cuts.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on November 05, 2006, 08:31:19 PM
John Deere 643H Feller Buncher with saw head. MDNR State Forest timber harvest; 9/06.

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Phorester on November 06, 2006, 08:10:41 PM
MARCEL, the chip truck being unloaded reminds me of the story an old pulpwood cutter told me years ago.  This is just about word for word from him. When they first started using these at the mill down here, the first time he ever backed his truck on one he just sat there in the cab. 

He said, "Well, the operator comes over and says, 'ain't you gonna git out?"  He said, "nope, I'll just go along for the ride".  The operator says, "well, oookay......"  (I doubt they would let anybody do this now. And this is the point in his story telling where his eyes got real wide).  He said "well..., everything was fine until they got it about halfway up.  I thought they was gonna stop but it kept going up and up an up..."  "All I could see was clear blue sky!"

"Directly all the stuff I had on my dashboard came crashing down into the floorboard.  About that time everything I had up over the visors came crashing down, a'hitting me in the face, along with - musta been a bushel of dust off'en each visor! Came down in my eyes so I couldn't see nothing!" "I sucked in a big wad of it and couldn't even breathe! "The truck was a'groaning and a'straining.  It still kept a'going up and up!  I thought it was just gonna keep going and turn slam over upside down head over tail!"  "It musta been straight up in the ARR!" (He's now standing up with his arms stretched as far as they would go above his head, his eyes still big as dinner plates.)

"Directly it stopped.  I was pinned in the seat, couldn't move, couldn't see, gagging on that dust".  "It was quiet for about 2 seconds, then them chips let go with a great big WHOOOOOOOOOOSH that scared the sh*t right out of me!  Made the whole truck shake like it was a'gonna come apart!  "Then the truck jumped up and down a couple times, and everything got realllllll still....."  "That was scarier than before!" 

"Then it finally starting a'coming down!  "I tell you, my stomach came up in my throat and I thought Lordy Lordy, it's a'coming down too fast and it's a'gonna flatten me and this here truck like a pancake!"

"When it finally stopped, I opened the door, got out and crawled around on the ground for 5 minutes".  "All them fellers was rolling on the ground laughing at me". 

"Ever since then I let one'a THEM back the truck on that dang thing!"

I was on the ground laughing myself for about 10 minutes. 
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on November 06, 2006, 08:31:14 PM
Me Toooooo  :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D Air!

Hope Patty, or anyone with a swaller of their morning coffee for that matter, don't let loose all over the 'puter screen.

I woulda loved to be one of the guys laugh'n.  ;D

:D :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on November 08, 2006, 08:17:54 PM
John Deere 648G Grapple Skidder.Working on State forest timber harvest 9/06.

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: sawguy21 on November 08, 2006, 11:20:01 PM
Phorester, I rode shotgun on a truck hauling chips to a rail dump north of Wenatchee. They made us get out of the cab and there was no way I was riding that thing anyway. :D :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: jph on November 10, 2006, 12:13:43 PM
And on a smaller scale:

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on November 13, 2006, 06:46:08 PM
Serco 170-A Processor. The slasher bucks aspen and red maple products at the landing from tree lengths skidded by the grapple skidder.

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on November 22, 2006, 12:06:19 PM
John Deere Feller Buncher & Grapple Skidder. Parked at the landing. These units are common to a tree length clear-cut operation. State forest timber harverst; 9/06.

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SteveB on November 23, 2006, 07:31:35 PM
Ron,

How does the productivity of those drive-to-tree machines compare to a conventional buncher on tracks with a boom?  I've always wondered about them as I've never seen one used anywhere in Canada.  I would imagine that the wheeled machine would have a hard time if the ground was rought at all?  I guess they'd be ok if you don't need to protect regen. or select from between residauls.  Are they cheaper than a tracked machine?  I would imagine they are easier to maintain?  The common saying with tracked gera if "every meter you travel with those thinkgs is one day closer to their death". 

I'd really like to see one of those wheeled bunchers work. The other two pieces of gear that I've only seen in pictures are bar saw slashers and pull through delimbers.  What area thier advantages?  In the pictures it always looks like they're in the southern US.  We have lots processors, stroke delimbers, and circular saw slashers, but I've never seen the others in real life.

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on November 23, 2006, 08:08:18 PM
I've never seen one of those type of bunchers here either. All tracked and boomed. They are especially suited to work in mixed woods, softwood and on rocky terrain. Less compaction, less travel, a boom is much narrower to reach between trees. But, if you get the wrong operator on those boomed machines, I've seen them destroy advanced regen. You have to lift the tree clear and bring out to the trail to slash on the trail and not try to work over head of the regen. Now that ain't so easy with big heavy hardwood, if not impossible. I could see more traveling and such with Ron's machine but if your in big hardwood your doing less damage to residual trees even though your reach path is probably wider to get the trees out. A boomed outfit would work on most hardwood sites here because the average piece size is under 10 inches. You get wood 20 or 40 inches, I don't think I want a boom trying to reach and cherry pick your trees. You might end up over on your side.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on November 23, 2006, 08:27:05 PM
A lot depends upon how firm the soil is, timber types, size, and type of harvest. The rubber tired feller bunches make good production on firm soils and smaller tree diameters of especially pine and aspen. They are also used more on "clear-cut" harvests rather than selective harvests.

More tracked machines with processing heads on a boom are used in Michigan's UP on the wetter soils and more for cut to length harvests where the tree lengths are processed at the stump. They do more processing rather than just total tree falling and bunching prior to skidding.

I have one tracked processor working on a job right now. I'll put on photos of it soon.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on November 26, 2006, 07:56:22 PM
Hitacchi Tracked Processor With Issusu Engine. Working in an oak, aspen, and mixed hardwoods stand. Gothard timber harvest; 10/06.

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: sprucebunny on November 26, 2006, 08:28:55 PM
This harvester was working just down the road from me recently.The land owners cut some individual w.pine and expanded a field.

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SteveB on November 27, 2006, 11:11:34 PM
Ron,

That looks like a slingshot processor.  I've seen them work in softwoods and boreal hardwoods, but they were really too slow to be productive enough in those conditions.  I always thought they'd make up for there speed with limbing force in hardwoods like you'd have in Michigan?  Does this guy cut off the stump or process behind a buncher?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on November 28, 2006, 08:43:15 PM
The operator cuts at the stump and then processes and piles the product lengths for forwarding.

On large sawlog trees they will delimb the tree, cut the smaller diameter products from above and leave the larger sawlog diameter section standing for the chainsaw faller to take down at the stump.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Corley5 on November 28, 2006, 09:24:47 PM
Quote from: Ron Scott on November 28, 2006, 08:43:15 PM
On large sawlog trees they will delimb the tree, cut the smaller diameter products from above and leave the larger sawlog diameter section standing for the chainsaw faller to take down at the stump.

That's a time saver 8) 8)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on December 01, 2006, 06:51:42 PM
Valmet Forwarder. Picking up the "cut to length" products behind the tracked processor. Gothard timber harvest; 10/06.

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on December 04, 2006, 05:43:17 PM
Time To Sharpen The "Husky". The faller takes time to sharpen his saw while cutting oak and cherry saw logs. He makes use of the vice provided on the tool truck.

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SteveB on December 04, 2006, 11:45:03 PM
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/13439/buncher%20%28small%29.jpg)

Hopefully I did it right and attached to this post ther'll be a picture of a buncher working in a mixed poplar, white pine shelterwood cut.

Regrading cutting big trees with a boomed feller-buncher:  they cut a bit from one side of the tree and then move the carrier a bit and cut from the other side to get the big ones down with a buncher.  (commonly refered to as "double cutting") It takes some skill and experince to do it well (and safely).  The operator pushes the tree and lets it fall, instead of really guiding it down the whole way like they do with the smaller ones.  The way they do it is similar to the way a single grip harvester (dangle head) fells trees.  It's important to make sure trees that are borderline too big for a singel cut with the buncher head are cut using this two-cut method.  Bunchers trying to cut trees that are too big in one cut, will "barberchair" them, causing a strip of wood to tear off the side of the lower portion of the cut stem.  This greatly reduces the size/quality of the part of the tree with the most value.  Barberchairing can also happen on smaller stems, if the buncher doesn't cut parrallel with the ground, and instead angles the head into the tree, pushing it more from above before it can create a clean cut.  As swampdonkey said earleir, a good buncher operator can do a great job of protecting regen. by lifting small and medium sized trees that they cut up and over regen, but obviously can't do the same with a tree that's too big to do anything with, other than guide it down in the direction they want.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SteveB on December 04, 2006, 11:54:50 PM
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New cable skidder.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Scott on December 06, 2006, 03:47:07 PM
Very nice machine 8). You don't see many new cable skidders around anymore. What model is it?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SteveB on December 06, 2006, 09:56:18 PM
It's a 540G III.  It's a very popular model around here. 

Bunchers and grapple skidders probably cut about 60% of the wood around here though.  In the pine shelterwood and hardwood selection cuts of central Ontario, full tree harvesting isn't allowed, so everything is done tree-length.  Because of the size of the pine and limbs of the tolerant hardwoods there is concern about the limbs causign too much damage to residual trees, so everything has to be delimbed with chainsaws in the bush, even if you're using a buncher-grapple skidder system.  Cut-to-lenght systems are almost non-existant aroudn here, although I think processors behind bunchers, then frowarders might hold promise.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on December 06, 2006, 11:07:13 PM
SteveB, what is the difference between the terms "full tree" and "tree length"? Is full tree just tree length with the limbs on?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: David_c on December 07, 2006, 09:15:36 AM
Full tree or whole tree is more acurate meens just that. The tree is cut and skidded to landing with branches and crown. Tree lenght is tree cut limbed and topped, then skidded to landing.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on December 07, 2006, 09:55:31 AM
Yup, that's my understanding of the terms as well. Whole tree also can include the stump and roots. Some time ago some university type did some experimenting with whole tree harvesting, which included stump and root extraction. Very expensive way to get fibre in my opinion. It really went against the grain, so to speak, because the university was teaching it's students of the day how to get wood out the cheapest. Since, I graduated they changed the faculty name at the local university to 'Forestry and Environmental Management'. More emphasis placed on environmentalism, although we had courses on ecology, soils, fire, stand dynamics, hydrology, meteorology.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SteveB on December 07, 2006, 07:39:26 PM
You're all right.

Generally, in Canada, "logging method" refers to the form in which trees are moved to roadside/landing.  Full tree = stem with limbs and tops skidded roadside for all processing, tree length =  delimbed at the stump and entire stems skidded roadside, and cut-to-length = delimbed and bucked to log lengths at the stump for forwarders.  As I understand, the U.S. definition of "whole tree" is what a canadian would refer to as "full-tree".  As Swampdonkey explained, in Canada (and internationally) academics define "whole tree" as harvesting trees with stumps and all, and "complete tree" refers to the tree, stump AND major roots.  I dont' think anyone in North America harvests stumps and roots on a large scale, although aboriginal people traditionally harvested several types of roots for tying things together, medicines, etc.  I beleive there are places in scandinavia where stumps are harvested for energywood, and I imagine in a place like africa it'd be harvested for fuelwood, so I think that's where our textbook definitions came from (I could easily be wrong on this part).
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on December 14, 2006, 08:15:46 PM
5010 Iron Mule Forwarder. A load of pulpwood and sawlogs is carried out to the landing. Gothard timber harvest; 12/06.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/5010_iron_mule.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SteveB on December 14, 2006, 10:21:19 PM
Ron,

Can you fit 16' wood on those small size forwarders? 

Also, do you have any experince with using large (18tonne) 8 wheel forwarders in selection cuts?  I've worked with them alot before, but always on flatter ground and mostly in clearcuts.  Now I'm working with more hilly ground and exclusively (95%) in selection and shelterwood cuts.  Wondering if anyone has experince with these big machines in rougher partial harvests?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Reddog on December 14, 2006, 10:35:09 PM
Yes you put the 16's on the bottom and stack some 8-12's on top to hold them. You just have to be carful not to ding up other trees on your way out.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on December 15, 2006, 11:54:47 AM
Yes, we carry up to 17 feet if necessary, but with care. The shorter logs are placed on top as Reddog said.

We haven't had many 8 wheelers in the woods here. The smaller units are preferred in the selection harvests, esspecially by the land owner's for less tree and regeneration damage.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on December 15, 2006, 01:11:04 PM
Tracked Processor. Processor cuts tree, delimbs it, cuts product lengths and piles them for forwarder removal to the landing/decking area. Gothard timber harvest, 12/06.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/tracked_processor.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on December 16, 2006, 07:17:26 PM
Forwarder Operator Unloads A Large Oak Log. Such large heavy logs can damage or break a forwarders boom if the operator is not careful. Gothard timber harvest; 12/06

The Valmet forwarder operator backs up to the landing/decking area and gently slides the large 8 foot oak log to the back of the bunk with the boom without lifting the log.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/unloading_large_log1.JPG)

The operator then drops the large oak log off the back of the forwarder bunk in position on the landing/decking area.

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The operator then drives the forwarder away from the landing/decking area dropping the large log on the ground beside some similar large oak logs unloaded the same way without any damage to the Valmet's boom.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/unloading_large_log3.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on December 18, 2006, 04:49:01 PM
Valmet Forwarder Assists Faller. The Valmet forwarder picks up the oak sawlog tree to assist the faller in bucking it in a heavy jack pine slash area. Gothard timber harvest; 12/06.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/valmet_assists_faller.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: OneWithWood on December 18, 2006, 05:58:06 PM
I really want one of those!  I bet they cost a few dinero. . .
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: farmerdoug on December 18, 2006, 06:18:59 PM
OWW,

Why don't you ask about how to built one.  You never know. ;D

Farmerdoug
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Samuel on January 15, 2007, 11:41:04 PM
Quote from: David_c on December 07, 2006, 09:15:36 AM
Full tree or whole tree is more accurate means just that. The tree is cut and skidded to landing with branches and crown. Tree length is tree cut limbed and topped, then skidded to landing.

Our operations harvest and process full tree as we use the Peterson Pacific 5000 G Portable Chippers.  We currently have 10 working for us and we estimate with the chipping of the tops and large diameter branches we are gaining approximately 12-17 % uplift on our utilization which in turn spills over onto our AAC.  Also if the blocks are close enough to the mill (100 km radius) we will send in our hog procurement contractor to grind the hog fuel and haul it to the mill for power generation as our facility is 100 % run from hog fuel, plus the extra power is then pumped to the grid for distribution.


(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/14756/All%20Wood%20Action%20Shot.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Bill Johnson on February 15, 2007, 12:27:09 PM
 
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10003/terre.jpg)

If I've followed the directions correctly my image should be here when I hit post.

I wonder what they do with this big guy during the rut?? This photo is attributed to an operation in Newfoundland.

Thanks for the help SD
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on February 15, 2007, 12:38:31 PM
Bill here's the code, you can hit the modify button in your post.

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Bill Johnson on February 16, 2007, 03:04:58 PM
Last winter this happened.
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Now this winter we have this.
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I'm pretty sure someone had some pretty mean explaining to do after this was all said and done with.

These pictures are attributed to logging operations in the central part of Ontario, say Bancroft-South River area or so I've been told.




Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on February 16, 2007, 04:53:18 PM
What kind of a lame brainer would take a piece of heavy equipment out into that soup swamp. Any man with intelligence could see that wouldn't be a good idea.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: stonebroke on February 16, 2007, 07:21:48 PM
I guess they don't float so well do they. I bet the owner was not the one who did it.

stonebroke
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SteveB on February 16, 2007, 10:36:13 PM
It's easy to look at that picture and wonder why anyone would venture into that area with equipment, but soft spots can sometimes be deceptive.  I've seen guys with many years of experince get in a pickle in areas that didn't look bad at all before-hand (never seen anything in real life go out of sight quite this bad, other than the odd picture floating around the internet)  A tracked machine like a buncher has a lot more flotation on their first pass through an area, and I've worked with them on ground that seems almost too soft to walk on.  It's the forwarders, or especially wheeled skidders that usually get into the trouble on the multiple passes over wet trails.  If the buncher's getting stuck you're prety much ... we lets just say good luck getting the wood out.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: logger on February 16, 2007, 11:17:13 PM
Did you ever get it out bill? :o :(
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on February 17, 2007, 07:15:50 AM
Well I guess you could also blame the guy doing the layout of the harvest. That would be considered wetland area and be buffered if the layout man was worth his weight. They normally running machinery through wetland and spring holes?  ;)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Woodhog on February 17, 2007, 09:41:26 AM
Just another day in the woods...!!!

Are we having fun yet????
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: leweee on February 17, 2007, 12:11:24 PM
Muskeg & Tea Berrie swamps have a way of letting you down :o ::) in that part of the country. Don't freeze even in the coldest winters....Trappers will walk around them. ;D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on February 17, 2007, 04:42:51 PM
He's back.Here's a piece of euipment he's added since he was here last Aug.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10436/grapple%7E0.jpg)


It's a John Deere grapple with a winch.It's not a big one,but this is what he wanted.He's been doing a real fine job with it.He's been going after the one's that are all over the lot.He's keeping one stand of white pine just in case we get a lot of snow again.He's ricking them up in the woods for the forwarder to pick up.Seems odd to see pine and hardwood mixed up in a pile.But that is what the forwarder is for,to sort out the logs at the landing.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Bill Johnson on February 19, 2007, 07:53:55 AM
They were able to fish both these machines out eventually.  The one from last winter required them to corduroy the wet hole and using 4 excavators and a skidder they were finally able to get it out. 

Sorry I don't have any photos of the extraction process.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: stonebroke on February 19, 2007, 08:00:03 AM
What did they have to do to get them running again? I bet that was an involved process.

Stonebroke
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Stephen Alford on February 22, 2007, 07:39:10 AM
HI ya ! Took these pictures of a new (to me) creature in the woods awhile back. ::)(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/12754/Picture%20093.jpg)
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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Stephen Alford on February 22, 2007, 07:42:51 AM
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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Stephen Alford on February 22, 2007, 07:46:18 AM
It also had a grapple attachment  as well as a brush mower for trail and road maintenance.(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/12754/Picture%20092.jpg)
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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Greenedive on February 22, 2007, 07:40:00 PM
Is that a JD, Stephen? Colors look like it.
Looks like a all-around do-everything machine...are those rubber tracks?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Stephen Alford on February 22, 2007, 08:23:40 PM
Hi ya!  It was a cat. Rubber tracks. It was doing trials and I was just there to watch. The drivers seat was bidirectional which was neat.  The trees were felled but the head was not a buncher style.  The clam was then put on and the trees dragged to a modified porter with an inch-worm on the front bunk.  I have seen big bunnies make deeper ruts.  Stephen
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on February 22, 2007, 08:33:15 PM
What kills a lot of these machine ideas is the fact they cost more than I can get out of the wood if I cut every stick, and that's not the way I want to manage my woods. ;)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on February 27, 2007, 07:51:02 PM
"Chaining" The Iron Mule. Chains are now needed on the Iron Mule forwarder so that it can negotiate the hills in the harvest area. The logging crew assists the "boss" laying on the cold ground under the mule with the task. Austin timber harvest, 1/07.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/iron_mule_chains.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on March 02, 2007, 05:50:36 PM
Iron Mule Forwarder Works On Hillside. Pulpwood is being loaded on the Iron Mule for forwarding to the landing. Chains on the front tires provides the traction needed on the snow covered slope. Austin timber harvest, 2/07.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/iron_mule_works%20_on_slope.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on March 05, 2007, 07:31:53 PM
Timberjack Forwarder. Unloading and sorting oak sawlogs at the landing. Austin timber harvest; 2/07.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/timberjack_forwarder_jim_budd.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Gary_C on March 05, 2007, 09:09:49 PM
Quote from: thecfarm on February 17, 2007, 04:42:51 PM
But that is what the forwarder is for,to sort out the logs at the landing.

All of my jobs have a variety of species of pulp along with red oak and maple sawlogs. I have found that it's easier to forward only one species at a time. It probably takes more driving thru the woods, but not more trips to the landing. But it saves a lot of time and trouble sorting at the landing. And it is much faster and a lot less trouble loading trucks with only one species in a pile.

Of course with a cut to length harvester, I try to keep each species piled separately in the woods. It just seems faster to keep the species sorted, rather than mixing and then resorting. Plus, I just hate to sort!

How does every else handle sorting?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Corley5 on March 06, 2007, 09:48:46 AM
I was hauling everything out in mixed loads but it was taking forever at the landing to sort it.  Now I haul out one species of sawlogs and bolts per load and sort them at the landing.  It saves a lot of time, handling, and moving to different piles.  While loading in the woods I short stack the firewood so I can pick it up faster when I get back to it
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on March 06, 2007, 04:03:45 PM
Gary,this guy has been here 3 weeks and at least 20 trailer truck loads of white pine has been hauled out of here.This is really all that he is cutting unless a hardwood tree gets in his way.I've cut most of the hardwood that will make any good size logs.Out of the 20 and more loads,he hasn't cut enough hardwood to make a trailer load of pulp yet.That's what I meant by using the forwarder to sort logs.Wouldn't make sense to mix everything up and than sort it.He only has a few hardwood trees per each load of pine logs.Probaly knowing this guy he's pulling the small hardwood out first,than cuts the pine tree down.Once these pine goes down,it burys everything under the brush and you never see whats under it.This time he cutting alot of the scrub pine.Some crotch out 4 times,but are big at the butt for about 6-12 feet.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on March 06, 2007, 04:55:47 PM
You sure have a lot of pine on that lot. Does Irving buy it?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on March 06, 2007, 06:03:39 PM
Yes,swampdockey,your beloved Irving is buying it.They are begging for some pallet pine,just the stuff he is cutting.They cut out all the knots out,than dovetail it,and make a fortune on it.If they need it that bad,raise the price on it.  :D  :D  :D Irving in Dixfield will not be buying any good pine in about 2 weeks.Everyone is being shut off.I've been selling to them for 15 years or whenever they bought the plant from Dixfield Lumber.I always felt I got a good price from them.They will buy anything which was good when I was doing the cutting.If a hardwood tree was in the way,I could sell them a few logs and not have it sitting aroung going bad.I hope to get a tour of the plant coming up this spring.He should be able to come back about 2 more times and that will be it for about 20 years.I will let the rest grow.Need some for my sawmill.  ;D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on March 06, 2007, 06:52:44 PM
Figured.  ;D But, don't get too comfortable. They are just as likely to turn a 180 as bull in a ring. ;)

They were looking for pine in my area one time back in 1998 or so. But they got discouraged when it was explained that we might have 1 mature pine every 100 acres. They're 200 years too late, since it's mostly been cut and just the ones nobody wanted left standing. ;)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Craig on March 06, 2007, 07:15:30 PM
I just got the letter from Irving last week. Try Hancock Lumber, their specs are identical to Irvings and the prices are similar too! My biggest problem lately has been getting trailers down here in MA because they aren't sending any finished product down this way. They won't just send a trailer down empty.

Craig
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on March 06, 2007, 08:22:06 PM
I know about Hancock.In fact the logger I have use to sell to them,now he mostly deals with Irving.Just as well he is getting done,the scrub pine will buy us some time.I don't want him on mine land making any ruts.And he knows that.Mud season will be here soon.I would hate to tell him to leave.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on March 06, 2007, 08:23:17 PM
They will usually forward only one species to the landing at a time, but then sort the species by products and lengths such as veneer, grade logs, scrag logs, pulpwood, pellet stock, firewood, etc.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on March 08, 2007, 04:51:41 PM
This is what you don't want to see at your sawmill,hemlock shake

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The straight line down the center is done by a chainsaw.Was bigger than 28 inches so it had to be split.The forwarder will split it the rest of the way.The other end of this 8 foot log looked a lot better.I would guess it's at least 70 years old,may even be up to 100.There were a few other trees,but the rest did not look like this.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10436/thecfarm7.jpg)


Winching a white pine up to the skidder.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on March 08, 2007, 04:57:41 PM
A 28 " (DBH) hemlock would be over 200 years up here.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on March 08, 2007, 09:27:00 PM
This tree was only 24"at DBH.I counted 110 rings.I could of missed a few.I know that hemlock grow slow.I only guessed and I was a little low.Some of the rings almost tounched in most years.Good thing I had a pen with me to keep track.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on March 09, 2007, 05:57:31 AM
What about the first 60 years, growing on top of one another, within an inch around the pith?  ;D ;)

j/k They will do well if growing in good conditions. I don't doubt your ring count.  ;)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Scott on March 09, 2007, 09:44:45 AM
Here's some pictures I took while in Pictou NS last winter. The first pictures are a Timberjack 1010 forwarder and the last one is a 1270 harvester.
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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on March 16, 2007, 07:25:19 PM
4510 Iron Mule Forwarder. Waiting to start its forwarding job. Malmborg timber harvest, 2/07 & 3/07.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/4510%20iron_mule_forwarder.JPG)

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ed_K on March 18, 2007, 08:36:12 AM
 Ron, I noticed that the centers of the machine and the loader not the same. does the loader have to hang on the front half somewhere when turning the machine?
Can someone (PLEASE) let me borrow/give me ones of these. My skidder broke a drive U and did something to my transfer case so it chatters when pushed going down hill.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on March 18, 2007, 09:52:47 AM
Ed,
The loader sits on top of the bunk load and just pivots with the machine when turning.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on March 18, 2007, 10:06:07 AM
5010 Iron Mule Forwarder. This is a larger size iron mule forwarder recently seen along the roadside in Michigan's U.P. Note that the boom is pivoted and down on its opposite side.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/5010%20Iron_mule_forwarder.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: dail_h on March 18, 2007, 06:38:45 PM
   I agree with Ed K,"Will someone please give me an iron Mule?" Hear small spoiled brat boy voice. Dosen'thave to be pretty,well painted,old derelick ,abandoned ,ugly as me,,,,,,well ,not quite that bad,would be perfect. If you could deliver it for free would be even better ;D ;D ;D
   Dail,head down running for cover :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Gary_C on March 19, 2007, 10:18:19 AM
Most of the early forwarders including Gafner's Iron Mules had the loader's mounted on the front half with the cab, some (not Gafner's) even had roof top mounted loaders. After Gafner was bought out by Valmet (Partek Forest Products) the 500 series and the 600 series Valmets had the loaders mounted on the front. Finally the Valmet 800 series machines had the loaders mounted on the bunk section where they belong.

Those early machines with the loader on the front were a pain for sure, but they are still very productive machines and many are still working daily in the woods. However if you have a lot of pulp wood to move, especially behind a harvester cutting 50-100 cords per day, you need a newer double bunk forwarder with six or eight wheels, mini joysticks, a loader with an extend a boom on the rear half, and an automatic transmission.

Yes, there are some older machines they are practically giving away.  :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on March 20, 2007, 02:48:13 PM
Woodhauler's are often given a personal name by their owners. Her "Sexy Lady" is being loaded with pulpwood at the landing. Gothard timber harvest; 11/06.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/wood_hauler_scott_renwick.JPG)

Some other owner named woodhauler's recently noted at work were:

"Pine Marten"
"Shorty"
"Mad Dog"
"Hooter Patrol"
"Hog Tied"
"Big Wolf"
"Attitude"
"Carpenter"

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Kevin_H. on March 20, 2007, 03:47:31 PM
Hooter patrol...That cracks me up,
But hey, anyone giving of their time to watch out over owl's is ok in my book.  ;D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: farmerdoug on March 20, 2007, 09:13:51 PM
KevinH,

You crack me up. :D

Farmerdoug
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: olyman on March 25, 2007, 07:54:14 PM
good thread--but jeezz--took three nights to get thru it all!!!!!!! continue
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on April 17, 2007, 04:28:24 PM
John Deere 440-B Cable Skidder. This small cable skidder provides support for cabling trees out of wet areas and up hill sides where selectively cut trees can not be reached directly by the iron-mule forwarder. Malmborg timber harvest; 3/07. 

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/john_deere_440-b_cable_skidder.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: logger on April 17, 2007, 06:42:12 PM
That's a nice looking/clean 440 there. 8) :) ;) ;D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Greenedive on April 17, 2007, 07:01:47 PM
Wow!!  :o
That early 70's machine looks brand new. I had one of those in the A-model many moons ago....
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on April 17, 2007, 11:00:49 PM
Yes, this logger takes exceptionally good care of his equipment. The best that I've seen with older equipment. The 4010 Iron Mule shown earlier is also his.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ed_K on April 18, 2007, 10:47:03 AM
 Just bought a 40A Tajfun 3pt winch. Pictures coming soon as I get it a little dirty  ;D . It'll be easier pulling 7/16s cable than 3/4 plus it comes with 200' of cable I shouldn't be pulling the end off so much.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on April 18, 2007, 05:03:48 PM
4510 Iron Mule Forwarder. The iron mule forwarder pulls a load of aspen pulpwood uphill on its way to the landing/decking area during a break in the weather. Malmborg timber harvest; 3/07.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/iron_mule_4510_forwarder1.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on April 18, 2007, 07:54:21 PM
Good luck pulling out 100 feet in a straight line through the woods.   :D   Looking forward to the pictures.That is a hyd winch,right?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ed_K on April 19, 2007, 08:05:29 PM
 thecfarm, no it doesn't have the hydraulics.When I went to look at the different sizes I found that the hydraulic ones still have a pto shaft to the winch and the price is almost double for the hydro-remote control. I started by looking for a fully hydraulic winch and couldn't find any that would pull more than 63' per min and theres no production in that.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Corley5 on April 19, 2007, 10:03:49 PM
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Pile of 10' grade and 100" sugar maple saw bolts.  Pile was started with a little seed on March 12 before the frost laws went on.  They went off yesterday at 8AM 8) 8) 8)

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Winter's production of firewood.  Rough estimate is there's 140 cords in the two piles.  I've probably got another 30 cords or so to pick up  8)

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Pile of 10 and 12' basswood grade logs.  Too bad they aren't worth more :(

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Beech sawbolts.  I'll have a train load to go out next week  :)

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1st train of the day  8).  The 1st in five weeks actually :)

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2nd train of the day  8) 8)

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3rd train  8) 8) 8)

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5th train  8) 8) 8) 8) 8) loaded with maple on the lead and 12' basswood on the pup.  We were just a bit short of maple grade for a full load.  I got to BSing with Mark as he was binding down the 4th load and forgot the picture ::) ;) ;D

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100" maple sawbolts and a few maple grade logs are all that's left of the big pile.  Mark'll be in tomorrow or Monday for them.  Shouldn't miss a train load by much if he comes in tomorrow and it'll be over that if he comes in next week.


Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Corley5 on April 19, 2007, 10:12:40 PM
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1975 Model 5000 Iron Mule with a load of maple saw timber

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Pic taken earlier when there was still snow and the tire chains were still on.  The load is hardwood firewood. 

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Norm on April 20, 2007, 07:30:01 AM
Holy cow you've been busy!

Great pictures Greg, thanks for showing us. :)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on April 20, 2007, 08:25:53 AM
Looks like you need to subcontract some sawing.  ;) Wouldn't want them logs spoiling.  :( Looks like some fine saw logs there. To bad I'm so far away or I'd be over with the trailer after some bass carving stock and some beech turning stock. I'd love to have a banister and spools made of beech.  :) I never tried beech before but it has beautiful grain.  8)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Corley5 on April 20, 2007, 12:12:51 PM
I'm not sawin em  ;D  The maple and basswood grade logs go to Baumgarten's Mill in Tower, Mi.  The maple sawbolts go to Robbins Flooring mill  http://www.robbinsfloor.com/  in Millersburg, Mi. and the beech and other hardwood sawbolts go to Bunker's Mill in Vanderbilt, Mi.  We cut quite a few beech this morning and talked about what nice logs they make but couldn't come up with any reason to saw any for our own use  ;) ;D  The plan is to run for another month then knock off for haying season, sawmill moving season, and barn repairing season then go back to the woods the end of August or so.  That's the plan anyway  ;) ;D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on April 20, 2007, 07:53:50 PM
Iron Mule 4510 Forwarder. Packs a load of aspen sawlogs to the landing/decking area. Malmborg timber harvest; 3/07.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/iron_mule_4510_forwarder2.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on April 21, 2007, 04:45:29 AM
What price are the aspen sawlogs? We were getting 280 mfbm for aspen veneer at one time. Not sure of the price now. Had to be chalk white, but knots didn't matter.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Corley5 on April 21, 2007, 08:15:52 AM
125 bucks a cord for 10' logs with at least a 10" top. 
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Stephen Alford on April 21, 2007, 07:04:09 PM
Started a new hardwood thinning. (RM 4 SM2 WB2 14m 81-90% CC ) In this part of the world I think we forest influence more than we forest manage. A personal goal is to try to maintain as much forest land base as possible. Whatever can be done to accomplish this is a good thing. The second objective is to meet the needs of the landowner. Offer the options however landowner rights still matter. If a landowner's choice is not something I can agree with then that is the time to move on.
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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on April 21, 2007, 07:06:45 PM
One picture will probably suffice unless your trying to post 3 different ones. ;)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Stephen Alford on April 21, 2007, 07:14:28 PM
Ya ,goofed  somehow was trying to post 3 different pics,  had the before and after thing.  Stephen
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on April 21, 2007, 07:22:29 PM
You can use the 'Modify' button in the original post and place the other photo names from your gallery. Use the code by copy and paste from here into your modify post above. ;)

Maybe these are the photos ???

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Stephen Alford on April 21, 2007, 07:56:24 PM
Thanks SD  :)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on April 23, 2007, 06:55:18 PM
Iron Mule 4000 Forwarder. Parked at the landing/decking area and ready to start a days work. This is an older and "somewhat used" machine, but performed well on this timber harvest with no down time. I'll be closing the job out tomorrow. Anderson timber harvest; 3/07.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/iron_mule_4000_forwarder.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on April 24, 2007, 05:21:03 AM
Quote from: Ron Scott on April 23, 2007, 06:55:18 PM
This is an older and "somewhat used" machine, but performed well on this timber harvest with no down time.

Yeah, looks like 'broken down bronco Bruce'  ;D :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on April 24, 2007, 08:01:37 PM
This is an old Timber Jack with some beech logs.Logs was nothing to brag about,but better than pulp prices.Was about 15 minutes from my house.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10436/thecfarmtj8.jpg)


This is the young guy helping out the old guy,John Deere 440G.


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on April 24, 2007, 08:06:50 PM
Iron Mule 4000 Forwarder. The "Old Girl" had her oil changed today and will now be moved out to another job. Her forwarded wood is now in waiting for the trucker.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/iron_mule_4000_forwarder1.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on April 26, 2007, 04:51:38 PM
Woodhauler "Fox #3" is preparing to leave with a load of oak sawlogs as the owner/driver climbs down off the loader. Anderson timber harvest; 3/07.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/woodhauler_elwood_fox.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on April 29, 2007, 09:23:54 PM
Logger's Pickup. Anderson timber harvest; 3/07

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/s_pickuo_hankins.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: arojay on May 01, 2007, 12:09:07 AM
 Logging in beetle killed spruce.
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/13930/skidding_spruce.jpg)

Head of Woods Operations
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/13930/woods_foreman.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: fury50 on May 11, 2007, 11:35:12 AM
Here is our home built, excavator based, combo forwarder/harvester. Used only as forwarder for now, we will install a Patu stroke harvester on it next week. It has a huge lifting capacity and fast loading speed due to is rotating cab. On 1000 hrs test, we had no major problem. We want to start production of this machine in 2008. More details on the tests and pics in harvesting mode soon.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/15631/003.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ed_K on May 13, 2007, 11:42:19 AM
I finally got a picture of the new winch on a clearing job. (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10257/tajfun%20winch%20at%20work.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: sawguy21 on May 13, 2007, 04:12:06 PM
Can you resize so we can see it? ;)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 14, 2007, 07:59:48 PM
Load of Oak Sawlogs. The Peterbuilt leaves the landing/decking area with a load of oak sawlogs. The 18 and 20 footers will be milled into crane decking material.
Austin timber harvest; 3/07.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/peterbuilt_trucks_oak_sawlogs.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: sawguy21 on May 15, 2007, 09:08:01 AM
I have never seen an axle setup like that. The first and fourth ones appear to be tags.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ed_K on May 17, 2007, 07:49:14 PM
 I down loaded a Hewett Packard photo program but I having problems making the photos to the 44 kb's when its small enough to be loaded into my folder it to blurry.
Guess I need to look for a different free photo fix prog.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: beenthere on May 17, 2007, 09:30:41 PM
Ed
Regards the pic.
Did ya follow the good Help guidelines?

Resize to 450 pixels longest side first
Yer photo posted is way down to 99 pixels on the longest side. The file size then might take care of itself. Give it another good shot. 
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: grassfed on May 18, 2007, 01:58:13 PM
Hi folks, I am posting some photos of some harvesting work that I did on my farm this winter.

Kingdom Hill Farm Aspen Harvest 2007

Aspen stand prior to felling note red arrow indicates where hard hat is for reference (note windthrow in backround)
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/14177/Christmas%202006%20012.jpg) (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/14177/Christmas%202006%20014.jpg)
Aspen stand after felling red arrow is where hard hat was
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/14177/Logging%202007%20013.jpg) (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/14177/Logging%202007%20002.jpg)
and some shots of the skid trail after harvest
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/14177/Logging%202007%20003.jpg) (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/14177/Logging%202007%20006.jpg)
aspen pulp by road waiting for mud season to end and some 20-24inch dbh 16 foot aspen saw logs
  (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/14177/Logging%202007%20012.jpg) (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/14177/Logging%202007%200.jpg)

I did most of the felling and skidding in 3-4 feet of heavy snow I did not take any pics while I was working because I was afraid that the camera would get smashed.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: isawlogs on May 18, 2007, 09:49:35 PM
 
  Nice , we did get a good load of that white stuff this winter , we have to meet up some day ... maybe later this summer when I get back from the Arctic ,  :)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ed_K on May 19, 2007, 11:50:08 AM
  (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10257/tajfun%204.jpg)

Thanks Marcel, I ended up doing the side pixels to 450 then used another photo shop to crop it and it worked.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on May 19, 2007, 09:03:39 PM
Nice set up you have there.I myself would like to see the front of the log up off the ground some.I have twitched out some good size ones with what I have and I've always have the front off the ground,not much at times.Now that I look at your winch I can see why.When my winch is raised like yours,my mast,the top pulley is a good 5 feet from the ground.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ed_K on May 20, 2007, 06:43:07 PM
 That was a posed picture. I usually have the butt up on the plate.I've found that I like this arrangement as there seems to be less pull on the cable and the butt can slide around on the plate when cornering.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 22, 2007, 07:41:44 PM
Logger's Pickup; GMC Diesel. Note large tool box, forwarder and skidder fuel supply tank, extra chain saw, chainsaw fuel supply tanks, oil supply container, and small tool box.  Malmborg timber harvest; 3/07

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/s%7E2.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Gary_C on May 22, 2007, 09:42:42 PM
Yep, that's a logger's pickup, bent tailgate and all.  :D

Most of the loggers here have gone to cargo trailers at the landings. Some are pretty well equiped with generators, welders, air compressors, fuel, hydraulic oil, spare hydraulic hoses, spare parts, etc.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: leweee on May 22, 2007, 11:35:22 PM
Quote from: Gary_C on May 22, 2007, 09:42:42 PM
Yep, that's a logger's pickup, bent tailgate and all.  :D
That's called a "Smileing" tailgate in the trade.. ;D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: grassfed on May 25, 2007, 09:50:46 AM
Hey Marcel,
Man the spring snow was tuff this year. I wound up working on the skidder through most of the winter (outside and on the snow) I did not start cutting untill the third week in March and by then we had a good 3-4 feet of very heavy snow. I got a set of ring chains for the front and the 440 would slowly chug through most of it but man it sure sucked fuel till I got the trail packed. All in all the three loads of pulp that I sold covered about 75%of what I spent on chains, parts, fuel and oil ::) The good news is that things should be ready for next year ;D.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 29, 2007, 08:19:22 PM
Some more Woodhauler Names noted while on the road.

* Low Bidder II
* Heart Beat
* Slow Ride
* Snatcher
* Coca Cola Kid
* Big Red
* Golden Comet
* Dakota Shane
* Half Breed
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on June 02, 2007, 05:32:28 PM
Ponsee "Buffalo" Forwarder. New Page red pine timber harvest; 5/07.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/ponsee_buffalo_forwarder.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on June 15, 2007, 06:42:26 PM
Chipping Red Pine Tops. New Page red pine timber harvest; 5/07.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/chipping_red_pine.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on June 16, 2007, 05:55:11 AM
Ron, I feel we need to do something like this with a lot of our red pine plantations as soon as the crown begins to lift (lower limbs die off). 6' x 6' spacing is pretty close for pines after 25 years.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: TeaW on June 16, 2007, 05:19:19 PM
What do they do with those Red Pine chips Ron ?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on June 16, 2007, 08:06:25 PM
Dumping a Load Of Chips. Chips are being dumped at the New Page pulp mill in Escanaba, Michigan. Chips are being used for boiler fuel at the mill, cogeneration plants, and for heating local schools depending upon the quality produced.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/dumping_chips.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on June 17, 2007, 11:54:18 PM
Looks like a pretty high dollar chipping operation! Do those drivers have the option of staying in the cab? :) One of my co-workers hauled grain for a while, dumping in Superior, Wisconsin. He had his wife along for a ride one day, they got to the dump and he gets out of the truck, thinking she will follow. She says she will just stay in the truck, so he tells her its a pretty extreme angle and she needs to get out. Well she makes a pretty big fuss so he let her stay. When she came back down she had her chips and coffee spilled all over her and her eyes were bugged out pretty good. They are divorced now
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: sawguy21 on June 18, 2007, 10:23:04 AM
This was discussed on another thread where the chip truck had slipped backward on the ramp. No one should be allowed to stay in the truck.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on June 18, 2007, 04:49:39 PM
Ponsee Delimber. Yes, this is a high dollar red pine timber harvest and chipping operation for biomass fuel. New Page red pine harvest; 5/07.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/ponsee_delimber.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: inspectorwoody on June 18, 2007, 08:45:53 PM
Information told to me: Red/White Pine clearing WI DNR is having done to reduce fire risk. Muscoda,WI 6/07

First time I've seen equipment like this up close and personal. Pretty neat.  :)

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10494/DSCN0789.JPG) (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10494/DSCN0790.JPG) (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10494/DSCN0791.JPG) (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10494/DSCN0792.JPG) (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10494/DSCN0794.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on June 22, 2007, 11:05:16 AM
Loading Chip Hauler. New Page red pine harvest; 5/07.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/loading_chip_hauler.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: sawguy21 on June 23, 2007, 12:58:44 AM
That is a serious chip trailer  :o Here that would be a B-train load.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on June 24, 2007, 08:14:47 PM
Biomass Baling Machine. Red pine biomass is being baled and tied into bundles for transport and use as biofuel at the mill. New Page red pine harvest; 5/07.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/bailing_biomass.JPG) [img]
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on June 24, 2007, 09:03:00 PM
Very interesting Ron.Any  more pictures of that baler?I had read a few articles about this,but have not seen a machine like that one to bale the biomass.Do have pictures of  the bales piles up,being hauled.How much does each one weigh?Biomass around here is not a big deal for a land onwer even though there is one plant about 15 minutes and another one about a hour away.Seems to be more up north.IP went though their woodlots around here and I don't think any went for biomass,all logs and pulp.How are they getting the bales out,with a forwarder?Who made that baler?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on June 25, 2007, 10:10:00 AM
This is a John Deere machine. They were working in a partnership with the timber producer for the biomass operatrion part of the harvest and demonstration for the machine.

The bales were moved around by a forwarder stacked on site and then transported by truck to the mill site for cogeneration fuel. I believe they said that the pine bales weighed around 300 pounds.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: stonebroke on June 25, 2007, 02:07:24 PM
Is that more efficient than just chipping them?

Stonebroke
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on June 25, 2007, 06:12:45 PM
The "slash bundler" machine allows for removal of addditional biomass fuel in the form of baled limbs, needles and tops which doesn't make for the "clean chips" normally required by the large boiler heating sytems, pellet manufacturing, etc. where  less green needles, leaves etc. is acceeptable.

This operation had 3  biomass fuel source operations going on at one time in addition to harvesting the pine pulpwood. One chipper was chipping the smaller delimbed roundwood for "clean chips" another chipper was chipping and tops and limbs with needles, "dirty chips", and the "slash bundler" machine was bundling the left over small limbs and leftover woody debris.

This was a "full tree utilization" harvest but with about 1/3 of the small slash, woody debris, and  fines retained on site for retention of soil productivity. 
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on June 26, 2007, 01:41:01 PM
Slash Bundler. A bundle of red pine biomass leaves the machine. Also note processed bundles on the ground. New Page red pine harverst; 5/07.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/slash_bundler.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on June 27, 2007, 06:00:12 PM
Slash Bundler. A slash bundle is cut to bale size and dropped from the bundling machine to be forwarded to the landing/decking area. New Page red pine harvest; 5/07. 

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/slash_bundle_is_finished.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on June 27, 2007, 06:24:53 PM
It's hard for me to see profit with the dirty chips, when I know from talking with local chippers that the profit is around $3 a ton for biomass in my kneck of the woods. Currently, there is one main chipper supplying the plant in Fort Fairfield, Maine at 200 loads a week and the marketing board had a small contract where an operator was sending 3 or 4 loads a week in. I think that small contract expired. Some of the stands the small operator was operating in would have been softwood sawlogs in 15 years and some were just pasture grown spruce or pulpwood potential sites. The purchase price of the fibre is fixed and the location of the next block is known well ahead for the large operator, he's on crown land. He also has access to a mountain of wood. For the small operator he has to haggle on price from every land owner for that fibre and go knocking on doors to find it.

My experience with red pine tells me it's not profitable in small diameter wood and we have no big demand for red pine pulp. Practically non existent. It's hit and miss at best. We have thousands of acres that are 2 to 50 year old plantations, most around 20 years old. Not quite big enough to do anything with, but needing thinning real soon and not with a brush saw. You can't even get near a red pine after 10 years with all those low, long reaching, branches. I'm going to thin a small section of red pine with brush saws and it's not going to be as easy as thinning spruce or hardwood.  ::)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on July 15, 2007, 09:56:28 PM
John Deere Grapple Skidder. A workhorse for tree length skidding on this red pine timber harvest. New Page red pine timber harvest; 5/07.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/j_deere_grapple_skidder.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on July 17, 2007, 06:01:54 PM
Chipping Red Pine Tops. The John Deere grapple skidder carries red pine tops to the chipper. Processed chips are then blown into the chip van.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/chipping_pine_tops.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Mr Mom on July 17, 2007, 07:30:27 PM
Ron...I think that trailer need more axles under it :D :D :D.

Thanks Alot Mr Mom
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: sawguy21 on July 17, 2007, 11:26:02 PM
I have to wonder why a chip trailer needs that many. ???
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: stonebroke on July 18, 2007, 07:26:30 AM
Maybe lotsa weight

Stonebroke
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: sawguy21 on July 18, 2007, 10:14:42 AM
The chips must be very wet. ;)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: OneWithWood on July 18, 2007, 10:15:36 AM
It must be a real drag cornering with that trailer  ;)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: isawlogs on July 19, 2007, 09:13:13 PM
Quote from: OneWithWood on July 18, 2007, 10:15:36 AM
It must be a real drag cornering with that trailer ;)

Well not really ....  there is a switchs one can use in da dash to lift dem front and back drop axles .  ;)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Reddog on July 29, 2007, 02:12:06 PM
Flying some CATS into work. And a few trees going out also.

Flying Cats (http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ex_PJCPI49w)

http://www.youtube.com/v/Ex_PJCPI49w

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: farmerdoug on July 29, 2007, 09:06:43 PM
Michigan allows a really high loaded truck weight here but a lower weight per axle than other states.  That is why you will see so many axles on trucks here in Michigan. 

Farmerdoug
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on July 31, 2007, 12:20:43 PM
Yes, that is why and the weigh master really checks out that axel weight.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on August 02, 2007, 08:17:56 PM
Working at the marketing board I've seen as much as 45 tonne of green hardwood per load, a normal load would be around 34 tonne. Some of these little stream bridges out on country roads are only 20 tonne bridges.  ::)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Corley5 on August 02, 2007, 08:33:52 PM
The whole truck isn't all on a short bridge at the same time  ;) ;D ;D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on August 03, 2007, 06:03:25 AM
It would be on the Shikatehawk. They gotta go around the other way I guess. No bridges there, 'cept down at the mouth where there is a heavier bridge on the 'Hawk'. Our bridge up on the farm, no it wouldn't span the whole bridge. But tater trucks are shorter and haul about 16 ton of taters during harvest, fertilizer the same during planting.  ;D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Dave Shepard on September 02, 2007, 07:06:00 PM
Kubota L48 with Farmi winch.  Small scale selective logging. I can harvest small quantities of logs with this setup without damaging the woodlot provided I wait for dry conditions. Here I am skidding full length, 40' to 48' stems. My skid trail allows this, but I will buck to length when it doesn't.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/14240/logs.JPG)


Dave
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: sawguy21 on September 02, 2007, 11:03:32 PM
 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11763/booming%20ground.jpg) (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11763/tug%20boom.jpg)
These were taken on Arrow Lake (Columbia River). The logs are decked then hauled down and dumped in the water as needed. The boom boat is busy organizing and securing the logs. Too far away to get a good picture of the tug but the ferry was held up over two hours while he passed with a huge boom. If he traveled any faster he would lose logs. A round trip with a truck would take a day.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on September 11, 2007, 08:49:27 PM
Iron Mule Forwarder. The old Iron Mule is slow and steady carrying a load of aspen pulpwood along the hillside. Anderson timber harvest; 4/07.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/iron_mule_anderson_sale.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on October 18, 2007, 11:46:05 AM
Some more Woodhauler Truck Names noted while on the road.

"Guard Dog"
"Chip"
"Snapper"
"Miss Elizabeth"
"Fetchin Sticks"
"Bearly Making It"
"Spoiled Rotten"
"Road Runner"
"Tree Hugger"
"Black Foot"

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on October 18, 2007, 05:08:18 PM
Timberjack Forwarder. Sorting oak sawlogs at the roadside landing. Austin timber harvest; 5/07.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/timberjacjk_forwarder_jim_budd.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Dave Shepard on October 18, 2007, 06:54:02 PM
When I first found this thread, I read through the whole thing, it was a little smaller, only 63 pages I think. :D Now that it's back, I'm going to read it all over again. 8)


Dave
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Dave Shepard on October 18, 2007, 07:39:46 PM
Quote from: Ron Scott on April 05, 2002, 03:00:58 PM
A good ending to this Thread as it dies for lack of interest!  :'(

Anything but dead, eh?


Dave
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on October 19, 2007, 01:09:19 PM
Timberjack 380B Grapple Skidder. Pulls a grapple of aspen tree lengths out to the landing for delimbing and chipping. State, Wheeler Creek timber harvest; 8/07.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/timberjack_380B_grapple_skidder.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Dave Shepard on October 19, 2007, 10:06:04 PM
I noticed there are some pictures that are no longer visable. In particular, I was looking for one that was at the front of this thread. It was some kind of forwarder, and possible a harvester, with two axles on the front and two on the back. It was huge, just slightly larger than Rhode Island.


Dave
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Furby on October 19, 2007, 10:14:10 PM
Dave, do you have a reply # for the post the missing pics are in, or maybe a link to the posts ???
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Dave Shepard on October 19, 2007, 11:44:23 PM
Furby, I went back through the first 12 pages and I found these: #24-Ron Scott, #94-Jeff, #174-Ron Scott. I think there might have been about a dozen throughout the entire thread. I know Jeff kept finding folders full of photos, didn't know if there were any more missing.


Dave
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Furby on October 19, 2007, 11:52:03 PM
#25 and #94 are off site links and serves as an example of what can happen if we allow them here.
They were used waaaaaaay back then, but we don't allow them now.
Basicly they are broken links.

#174 is a different issue.

If you right click on the red X and then click properties, it will tell you what the adress is for that item.
Try it on a forum pic and you'll get an idea of what it should look like.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on October 20, 2007, 07:45:55 AM
Wow, holly Toledo. I was just looking at the number of posts in this thread. And Ron was worried way back that the thread would sink. Not in this crowd.  ;D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on October 23, 2007, 11:53:08 AM
Timberjack Grapple Skidder. Taking "a break" at the landing of the total tree chipping operation. State timber harvest; 8/07.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/timberjack_grapple_skidder_malmborg.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: sawguy21 on October 23, 2007, 11:30:27 PM
Quote from: SwampDonkey on October 20, 2007, 07:45:55 AM
Wow, holly Toledo. I was just looking at the number of posts in this thread. And Ron was worried way back that the thread would sink. Not in this crowd.  ;D
Don't stop now Ron, this is one of my favourites. ;D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: semologger on October 24, 2007, 11:18:46 PM
ron what size motor does that Timberjack have in it is it a 450? i have a 450 and it has a darn 453 detriot in it. it would never pull a bunch of wood with that size grapple.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on October 25, 2007, 10:35:26 AM
I don't know the specific size engines on these, but they will grapple a "bunch" of aspen tree lenghts in a pull with no problem.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on October 25, 2007, 10:58:59 AM
Aspen "Tree Length Bunch". One of the grapple skidders will move the "bunch" to the landing for chipping. State timber harvest; 9/07.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/aspen_tree_length_bunch.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: semologger on October 25, 2007, 10:59:10 PM
ron i have looked thru this forum alot. how do you get so many pitchures of equipment?
you have alot.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on October 26, 2007, 08:42:42 PM
I'm a consulting forester and usually take photos when I'm out administering  logging jobs, attending workshops, logging events etc.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on October 27, 2007, 11:51:39 AM
Prentice 325 Delimber. Set up at the landing to delimb tree lengths prior to chipping. State timber harvest; 8/07.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/prentice_delimber.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: semologger on October 28, 2007, 10:27:43 PM
 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/15209/my%20cutter%20forest%20forum.jpg) (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/15209/skidder.jpg) (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/15209/IMG_2447%20loader2.jpg) (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/15209/IMG_2905.JPG) (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/15209/logging%20trailer.jpg) (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/15209/cab%20over.jpg) (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/15209/delimbing%20gate1.jpg) (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/15209/IMG_2883.JPG)

thats all folks
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: sawguy21 on October 28, 2007, 10:33:30 PM
The last pictures could have been in the B.C. interior. Very typical, except for the Freightliner cab over with the sleeper but a lot of guys are hungry right now.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on October 29, 2007, 09:59:48 PM
Trelan Chipper 233. The chipping unit for this chipping operation. State timber harvest; 8/07

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/trelan_chipper_233.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ed_K on October 31, 2007, 09:05:21 PM
Finally got around to taking some pict's of a current job thats taken more than 2yrs to complete due to being very wet.
Foley lot 10/07. This was before cutting.
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10257/before_cutting.JPG)
Then after, its not the exact same placing by 50 odd ft.
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10257/after_cutting.JPG)
Here's the Taylor pulling a turn.
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10257/bringing_out_a_turn_foley_lot.JPG)
When we started this job 20mbf of beech were nice trees,2yrs later its all diseased.
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10257/beech_bark_disease.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on November 02, 2007, 09:36:15 PM
Loaded Chip Van. Ready to leave the chipping area with a load of chips. State timber harvest; 8/07.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/chip_van_malmborg.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on November 02, 2007, 09:45:29 PM
That critters got some tires under it.Around here they just use a regular 2 axle trailer.I have seen some special trailer boxes that dip down in front of the tires.If I ever have a camera by one that is parked I will take a picture.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Woodhog on November 03, 2007, 12:11:50 PM
I also noted the large amount of axles on that trailer, around here the max is 3, for a tri axle trailer with one having an airlift that you raise when empty
.
How do they make enough money to pay for the scuffed out tires on that thing when it is turning.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on November 03, 2007, 04:58:02 PM
Use these chip vans around here. Built in town.


(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11009/SD_BWS_CHIP.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on November 05, 2007, 07:27:19 PM
The Service & Support Vehicle. An important unit for every logging job. State timber harvest; 8/07.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/logger_service_truck%7E0.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on November 08, 2007, 08:33:56 PM
A "true" clear cut. This was primarily an over mature aspen stand. All trees were removed and chipped. State timber harvest; 9/07.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/clear_cut.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on November 19, 2007, 05:24:12 PM
4510 Iron mule Forwarder. Parked on the harvest area with a load to be forwarded to the landing while the operator takes his lunch break. Sheffer timber harvest; 10/07.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/4510_iron_mule.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: twobears on December 05, 2007, 02:10:32 PM

i love this post..  ;D i also like seeing how every other logger does things.

delbert
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Bill Johnson on December 07, 2007, 10:22:07 AM
We seem to have lots of photos of equipment used to harvest, process, and transport wood but not a lot of shots of equipmnet used for silvicultural purposes.

This is the bracke (Bracke Kultivatorn) which I believe was designed and originally built in Sweden. It is a patch scarifier though the model used in parts of Canada had a seeding mechanism built into it just by the rear mattock wheels.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10003/Picture_025_trimmed.jpg)

My experience using the seeder was that this design would have been better served if it were left on the shelf. The seeder plates were alway jamming up with the aluminum latex used to coat the seed, and slightest amount of humidity caused the seed to clump up.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10003/Picture_024_trimmed.jpg)

This particular bracke is beginning used a patch scarifier this site will be hand planted next spring.  In this instance the prime mover used is a John Deere 648G.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on December 11, 2007, 03:57:28 PM
A few more "woodhauler names" noted while on the road.

"Logger's Limo"
"Got Wood"
"Sporting Wood"
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on December 11, 2007, 04:16:06 PM
I wanted to comment on what was used for scarification here on local private woodlots. That is the C&H plow. Unless you have dry ground your working on, this machine should never be allowed off the float. It will ruin a sensitive site in a hurry, then those rows fill with water like ditches. If you have a good dry site, it still is best to scarify in the fall and plant in spring so the loose air pockets get worked out by the natural elements (rain, snow, thawing). Still have to be careful of pockets of duff that got turned over, prone to drying out in the summer heat. On old fields we have good luck with plowing and then spray 2 or 3 years later.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Sunfield Hardwood on December 20, 2007, 06:57:56 PM
Here's my service truck I just assembled from a 1991 chevy 3/4 ton 4/4 that I bought new in 1990. I had the cab freshened up, it's just like new, then put the boxes on. it has a fuel tank for loaders and such,air compressor all kinds of tools, jacks, saws, shovel, fire ext, big first aid kit, extra clothes, oils, grease and grease gun, ropes, chains and lots of other stuff you could need on a logging job. It will be so much nicer than crawling over and digging through all that stuff in the old pickup bed. :) (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/12782/91_chevy_servicetruck_after.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on December 20, 2007, 07:02:51 PM
Looks like a dandy. Secure enough to keep the tool thieves out.  ;)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: sawguy21 on December 20, 2007, 10:52:34 PM
That set up really does make the job easier.  8)  I have wanted something like it but then I would have to go back to work to justify it.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on December 21, 2007, 09:04:57 PM
Well done! Looks like a very good service vehicle with items available in time of need.
Title: 1270D Cut to Length
Post by: Bicboro on January 12, 2008, 08:38:44 PM
I currently run a 1270D doing mountain sides.  I've got 7000hrs on it so its alittle more work.  But come March 1st, I'll be getting my new 1470d.  I can't wait.  I've started posting stuff about it on my site...http://www.TheTreeHarvester.com.
Check it out.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/16513/e12.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: semologger on January 12, 2008, 10:09:33 PM
i liked your pitchure of the head and sun set/rise. put it on as a background.
good job nice one you dont see many like that perfect
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Gary_C on January 13, 2008, 12:06:59 AM
That's a nice looking harvester. Tell us more about your operation and the kind of wood you are cutting. What kind of forwarder is that you have?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: sleepy on January 14, 2008, 08:13:16 PM
Sometimes you have to use what you have. :D
Yea thats a FORD!  8)

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/15831/0201071740a.JPG)


(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/15831/0201071745.JPG)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zA9lJx7DaiA
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Scott on January 15, 2008, 04:36:53 PM
Oh come on! At least get a Chev  :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Furby on January 15, 2008, 05:06:52 PM
But he'd need the Ford to drag the Chev out. ;) :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Corley5 on January 15, 2008, 05:57:29 PM
Once upon a time I got my old Chevy stuck but it was OK because it took TWO Fords to pull it out.  A full size Bronco and a Ranger.  My Ford owning friends couldn't rib me about that one  :) ;D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: semologger on January 15, 2008, 07:58:07 PM
i had my john deere 648E skidder pull out my chevy tracker yesterday. ;D wasnt much a pull though.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ed_K on January 15, 2008, 10:04:14 PM
 I ended up replacing the clutch on my ford ranger clearing for my log cabin thats now 22 yrs old, the ranger lasted 10. I've had every brand up pickup, always liked the one I'm driving now  ;D .
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on January 15, 2008, 10:07:14 PM
Toyota eh?  yikes_smiley  :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ed_K on January 16, 2008, 07:58:37 PM
 GMC  ;) . who knows what the next will be. Crummies I buy Crummies.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on March 04, 2008, 07:27:06 PM
Iron Mule 4510 Forwarder.Forwarding aspen pulpwood; Sheffer timber harvest; 12/07

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/iron_mule_4510.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Rick Alger on March 05, 2008, 07:39:13 AM
Ron,

A few questions about the Iron Mule if you please. Are the bunks long enough for 16 foot logs? Can you load spotted trailers with the boom on the Mule? Is there a winch aboard for getting unstuck?

Rick
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Reddog on March 05, 2008, 11:44:40 AM
Rick,
Here is a good thread with lots of Mule info.

https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php/topic,21155.40.html (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php/topic,21155.40.html)
Post 50 covers long logs.
Short answer to your questions are, Yes stack 12's or less on top to hold them, Yes you can load a trailer and No winch from the factory, I have not seen one with a winch.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on March 05, 2008, 06:18:05 PM
Pretty much as Reddog said. We allow a maximum of a 17 foot log which they will carry on a topload. I haven't seen any with a winch either. Some have asked about the articulation joint between the operator cab and the wood bunk. He is a photo of the 4510. 

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/4510_iron_mule_joint.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Rick Alger on March 05, 2008, 08:09:25 PM
Reddog and Ron,

Thanks for the info. 

Rick
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on March 06, 2008, 05:46:04 PM
Working in Deep Snow. Falling a hard maple in deep snow takes some extra effort. The sawyer must clean out to the base of the tree prior to starting his tree falling task in this selection harvest of northern hardwoods. Nixon timber harvest; 2/08.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/falling_hard_maple_deep_snow.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ed_K on March 06, 2008, 07:33:58 PM
 No fun limbing out either, one min the bole was up to my knees next it was at my chest. Took me a min, just to get back up on top of the snow. Makes for a real long day  >:( .
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on March 07, 2008, 07:39:30 PM
Winter Harvest. White ash sawlogs bucked to length with hard maple sawlogs laying in the background waiting to be picked up by the forwarder. The sawyer's saw oil and gas containers sit on the cut stump as he works on another tree nearby. Nixon timber harvest; 2/08.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/white_ash_logs_bucked_to_length.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Dave Shepard on March 07, 2008, 08:55:23 PM
How does the forwarder move amongst the saplings? Do you just pick the path of least damage?


Dave
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: rockenbman on March 07, 2008, 10:42:56 PM
 Most of the time I run my 87 Toyota 4x4 4cyl 4 speed truck for most cuting jobs,like hauln out fire wood, hedge post,brush.And my tools  8)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on March 08, 2008, 12:19:40 AM
The forwarder runs on existing trails and the paths of least resistence as you stated making effort to knock down the least amount of saplings and regeneration. Some future photos will show a Fabtek 344B forwarder at work.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: twobears on March 08, 2008, 08:20:32 AM

RON:thanks for the mule center section pic.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on March 08, 2008, 08:26:01 AM
I kinda think what Dave means.I had my lot cut.It's alot differant than what was posted.I had a lot of old white pine,not much small stuff growing around the trees,like in the picture.He also had a graple,cable skidder too.There was some spots where they would use the skidder to bring the logs to the forwarder.I saw quite a few places where they would pull up along side of a tree that was not bucked to lenght and pull it to him on the forwarder.This required a guy with a chainsaw to be there to buck the tree to log lenght.I should of taken a picture of that.Looked real odd to see a 3 by 80 foot path in the woods.A forwarder CAN do a nice job.Depends ALOT on the operator.You still need trails to get the wood out no matter what.But with a forwarder the logs are being carried out,not dragged out.Alot less damage is done to the ground with a forwarder.I have a steep hill that is the only way across the bog.This hill would of been at the bottom if they would of been skidding the logs.There is less barking up of trees too.My land is kinda of a challange,big rocks,small mounds of dirt,trees I wanted left.I saw one spot where they had to stop and back up the forwarder to save a few trees and go around a big rock.I would not let just a skidder crew on my land.I watched this guy cut for more than 20 years.I do have pictures in my gallery.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on March 08, 2008, 12:11:23 PM
Well there is no blanket prescription as to what machine to use. The ground, local climate/season and the vegetation (trees and such)/available seed (good seed years) should dictate the proper system every time. Most of the time it's just $$ driven when you look out the door and see one lot after the other clear cut.  ::)

For instance, a woodlot that was picked through for firewood often grows back with beech in the understory. You could carry the dang firewood wood out by hand or use a machine, still beech regen on some sites. Up here, beech is about as bad as having pin cherry because it all gets infected with disease. I've had instructions from some woodlot owners who want PCT done to cut every one of those %$%$ beech and save all the maple and birch that you can, even aspen is better than growing junk.

Another scenario is cutting hardwood using a type of selection. But, the understory is overtaken by fir that is 40-60 years old, hollow butted and 8-15 feet tall. The S maple and yellow birch may have been very poorly regenerating. Not too hard to age fir if it's intact on the stump and not rotten, whack some off the stump and count rings throughout your work area. Now, you gonna save old suppressed trees about the end of their life? What machine do you use and what type of harvest do you used to help get S maple and Y birch coming?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on March 08, 2008, 05:35:23 PM
Fabtek 344B Forwarder. Works its way through a northern hardwood winter selection harvest. Nixon timber harvest;2/08.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/fabtech_344B_forwarder.JPG) (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/fabtech_344B_forwarder_1.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: JLeBouton on March 08, 2008, 09:22:13 PM
Quote from: Ron Scott on March 08, 2008, 05:35:23 PM
Fabtek 344B Forwarder. Works its way through a northern hardwood winter selection harvest. Nixon timber harvest;2/08.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/fabtech_344B_forwarder.JPG) (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/fabtech_344B_forwarder_1.JPG)

Looking good! 
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Dave Shepard on March 08, 2008, 10:27:12 PM
Yeah, that looks like a nice comfy way to get the logs out! ;D


Dave
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Corley5 on March 08, 2008, 10:55:26 PM
Does that Fabtek have a squirt boom  ???  That's a feature I'd like.  It seems like the boom on Iron Mule is always just a little too short  :) :)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on March 09, 2008, 09:54:40 AM
No its not a squirt boom, but it has more reach than the iron mule. Its a bigger machine than the iron mule and can also handle the heavy snow and hills much better. Of course it carries a bigger payload also.

A good operator is key to operating it in selection hardwood thinnings so as to damage the least amount of regen and skinning of the better quality leave trees.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: moonhill on March 09, 2008, 10:26:14 AM
A person could spend hours going through this thread!  Tim B.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: semologger on March 09, 2008, 04:00:30 PM
actually around 18 and a half hours. Slow reader. ;D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on March 09, 2008, 05:25:52 PM
 :D :D :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on March 09, 2008, 06:44:06 PM
Fabtek 344B Forwarder. The forwarder operator provides assistance to the  sawyer in getting the hard maple hanger safely down for bucking. He will then pick up the sawlog lengths for transport to the landing/decking area. Nixon timber harvest; 2/08.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/fabtec_344B_forwarder_assists_with_hanger.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: TeaW on March 09, 2008, 07:28:30 PM
Ron  does the sawyer have a machine (skidder ) with him or does he rely on the forwarder for that. How small do they take the wood down to.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on March 09, 2008, 11:51:09 PM
The forwarder picks up the cut-to-length sawlogs that the sawyers have bucked at the stump. We usually take the wood down to a 4 inch top, but on this sale sawlogs to an 8 inch top were removed. The landowner wanted the pulpwood and topwood left for his own firewood use.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on March 10, 2008, 02:49:19 PM
Fabtek 344B Forwarder. Unloads sawlogs at the landing/decking area. Nixon timber harvest; 2/08.
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/fabtech_344B_forwarder_unloads_at_the_landing.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on March 11, 2008, 04:54:32 PM
Western Star Woodhauler. The Western Star woodhauler arrives at the landing/decking area for a load os sawlogs. Nixon timber harvest; 2/08.

The woodhauler turns around at the end of the landing while the Fabtech forwarder continues unloading its bunk of sawlogs.
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/western_star_woodhauler.JPG)

The woodhauler moves into position to the log deck for loading while the Fabtech forwarder is moving around behind it.
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/western_star_woodhauler1.JPG)

The woodhauler prepares to start loading while the Fabtech moves to unload its sawlogs on the opposite deck.
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/western_star_woodhauler2.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: rockenbman on March 11, 2008, 09:05:58 PM
 I sure wood like to have a forwarder ;D it make for a easy day in the timber. how long of saw logs does it handel ?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ed_K on March 11, 2008, 09:24:22 PM
 I noticed orange & blue paint on one tree, is that the cut boundry?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on March 12, 2008, 12:11:51 AM
Forwarders of this size bunk will carry 8-17 foot sawlogs. The shorter logs are placed on the bottom with the longer logs being placed on the topload.

The trees with the blue painted ring at breast height and stump mark are the trees to be cut. The orange spots are marks made by a timber purchaser while looking at the sale prior to bidding. Some timber buyers will place their own marks of another paint color on the trees while making their own volume cruise, designate veneer trees, etc.

Our cutting boundarys are marked with red painted line trees. A blue painted "W" on a tree is a wildlife tree not to be cut. A blue painted "X" on a tree is an unmerchantable tree that is not in the tally, but may be cut at the purchaser's option.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on March 12, 2008, 05:52:56 PM
Western Star Woodhauler. It is loaded and the load chains are tightened. Plans are to move off 3 loads of sawlogs today. Nixon timber harvest; 2/08.
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/western_star_woodhauler3.JPG)

The Western Star is "ready to roll" with its sawlog load.
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/western_star_woodhauler4.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on March 14, 2008, 08:38:30 PM
Daylight On The Landing. Nixon timber harvest; 2/08.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/daylight_on_the_landing.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on March 24, 2008, 07:51:24 PM
Logger's Pickup. One can easily recognize a logger's pick-up as it shows the tools and wear of the trade including the empty pop cans inside on the floor. ;) Sheffer timber harvest; 12/08.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/logger_s_pickup_doug.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Dave Shepard on March 24, 2008, 08:01:26 PM
I've never seen a loggers truck that didn't have a pail of hydraulic fluid in it. :-\


Dave
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Gary_C on March 24, 2008, 09:13:28 PM
And a bent tailgate.   :)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Coon on March 24, 2008, 10:41:54 PM
That tailgate has got many hours of use left in it yet?  You should have seen ours at work last summer.  Had it been clean one could have used if for a large salad bowl. :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on March 24, 2008, 10:43:40 PM
Quote from: Ron Scott on March 24, 2008, 07:51:24 PM
One can easily recognize a logger's pick-up as it shows ...................the empty pop cans inside on the floor. ;)

:D :D :D Yup,very true and the back of the pickup with cans and coffee cups at times. :D Oh, man the times I've gone for rides in a logger's pickup and the rubbish under my feet.  ::)

Famous last words: "I told my son to keep this truck clean, but I can't do anything with'im." :D :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Craig on March 25, 2008, 10:52:28 AM
My tailgate isn't bent but there is always hydraulic oil in there.

Craig

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10792/pickup1_copy.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: isawlogs on March 25, 2008, 12:28:59 PM
Quote from: Craig on March 25, 2008, 10:52:28 AM
My tailgate isn't bent but there is always hydraulic oil in there.
[

There is a very important little word you fogot to put in there between " bent but " . That little word would be   My tailgate isn't bent yet, but there is always hydraulic oil in there.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Corley5 on March 25, 2008, 02:09:36 PM
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10027/Logger_truck.jpg)

It's not as straight as it looks  ;) ;D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Corley5 on March 25, 2008, 02:14:02 PM
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10027/Mule_in_the_woods.jpg)

Iron Mule and beech saw bolts
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Corley5 on March 25, 2008, 02:20:10 PM
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10027/Holding_Wood.jpg)

What happens when your back cut isn't level and you cut through the holding wood  ;) ;D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Dave Shepard on March 25, 2008, 02:29:12 PM
Gas cans: check
Chainsaws: check
Fuel tank: check
Pail of hydraulic oil: check
Banana tailgate: hmmm, are you sure it's a logger's truck? Looks pretty straight to me. ;D


Dave
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Corley5 on March 25, 2008, 02:56:44 PM
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10027/Basswood_Logs_and_Leaner_Mess.jpg)

Basswood logs to be forwarded and a couple hangups.  One was a natural blowdown.  The other was fallen into it to dislodge it and after trying to pull it out with the Mule's loader it ended up 12' in the air.  Had to cut the top out to get it back down and then it was like cutting ends off a teeter totter one at time  ;) ;D  You should never fall trees into others to get them to fall down  ;) ;D  This was actually the second one I'd fallen on it.  I finally had to hook a chain to the orginal and pull it down with the Mule.

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Collecting basswood logs

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Mule and basswood saw logs

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One of Everingham Enterprise's Western Stars.  Mike's putting his cross chains on the pup.

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Me, Jonsered 2186 and a hollow beech.  Beats wearing a tie to work any day  8) 8) 8)

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Corley5 on March 25, 2008, 03:04:17 PM
That truck's tailgate's been a real survivor  8)  It's got a crease on the outside from the old straps breaking when I flipped a round bale out of the bed and has had enough bar, hydraulic and other oils spilled on it that it'll never rust  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Dave Shepard on March 25, 2008, 03:06:12 PM
The inside of my pickup bed won't rust either. Did you know those rubber floor mats will grow about two feet when they are saturated with diesel?


Dave
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on March 25, 2008, 05:06:29 PM
That's an awesome beech Corley, even if it was hollow.  ;)

Wish our beech was smooth. I don't know how you guys escape scale, because they like warmer, not colder climates. Maybe one saving grace is the females can't fly (I think that's true  ::) ). Nature is interesting at times.

Nice basswood logs, your cutting those as if they were as thick as sugar maples in our woods. ;D

Who needs a tie me down, eh?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Corley5 on March 25, 2008, 05:23:15 PM
  Beech scale is on it's way to us  :( :'( :(  It's been in the eastern half of the UP for a while and is in the NW tip of the LP now.  The DNR attempted a control cut when it was first found in N Emmet County but it's since been found in other areas there also.  So it's only a matter of time now.  The theory is it came in from the UP on birds.  The scales are assexual and are only mobile for a short while in the spring I believe.  Birds and wind are their primary modes of transport.  That's how I remember it but I haven't read the literature in a while  ;) ;D  I'd prefer to leave beech standing for wildlife mast and shelter but they're goners anyway and this harvest site is going to be sold and the owner wants everything merchantable taken out.  Lots of firewood in one of these brutes.  Solid ones go for hardwood saw bolts.  This area was pretty thick with basswood and a few sugar maple.  It's pretty thin of anything now  :) :)
  Dave,  that mat musta been trying to climb out of the bed on its own  eh eh
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Tillaway on March 27, 2008, 10:35:31 PM
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A little down hill cable yarding Westwood Timber Sale 3/26/08.

http://www.youtube.com:80/watch?v=7QKqbVPY3QM (http://www.youtube.com:80/watch?v=7QKqbVPY3QM)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Bicboro on April 13, 2008, 10:20:23 PM
I am harvesting mountain sides.  It's quite a challenge, but I think I'm up for it.  I run 1270D wheeled harvester, but we put tracks on it.  I have a 1710D forwarder picking up behind me.  These pics are from January 08.  I traded these in, in April, and my new ones were delivered today.  I'll put up some pics of the new one soon.

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on April 14, 2008, 04:40:57 AM
Nice machines Bicboro. But hard on the dial-up. Should squeeze some bytes out of them and resize down to 450 per long side. Then upload them to your forum gallery. ;)

Do they do pre-commercial thinning on clearcut sites at a later date down there? Or just let it go wild?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 07, 2008, 05:38:01 PM
Sale Closure.The timber harvest contract has been completed. The landing has been cleaned of all woody debris and graded. The iron mule forwarder is now driven onto the lowboy for transport to the next job. Sheffer timber harvest; 4/30/08.

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 09, 2008, 07:29:04 PM
Sale Closure. The landowner (wearing suspenders) and the logger (in black sweatshirt) discuss a "job well done" on the 80 acres as the iron mule forwarder is loaded on the lowboy and ready the be hauled off the job. Sheffer timber harvest; 4/30/08.

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 12, 2008, 01:32:01 PM
 On its Way. The iron mule forwarder leaves the harvest area. It will be trucked home for a rest and maintenance and then on to the next job. Sheffer timber harvest; 4/30/08.

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Gary_C on May 12, 2008, 02:12:54 PM
Ron, thats a nice wrap up for a good job. How long did this job take from the initial contact to you thru the bid, contract, job start and then finish? 

Most of the state jobs I do here are 5 year contracts, and there are good tax reasons to hold a logging contract for at least a year before harvesting and on a sold as appraised job there are additional growth incentives to hold contracts as long as possible.

However, I know that most private landowners do not have the patience that the government has on logging jobs.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on May 12, 2008, 07:29:02 PM
Gary, that's for sure. It's usually cut and run on woodlots here and you can see the results as most woodlots get liquidated in a harvest or so badly high graded that what gets left should be burnt.  ::)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 12, 2008, 08:04:38 PM
Gary,
Time frames on this job were as follows:

(1) September 22, 2005, landowner contacted me to look at their 80 acres of hardwoods and aspen. I met with the landowner and prepared a management prescription for their timber management. The landowner didn't want any activity on the property until after the October - December, 2005 deer seasons.

(2) January 6, 2006,  the landowner contacted me and signed an Agreement To Prepare & Manage Private Land Timber Harvest.Work on the property was now authorized.

(3) February 4 - March 4, boundary lines were checked and marked, timber was selectively marked and cruised. Round trip travel was 110 miles.

(4) March 21, 2006, Timber Sale Proposal, Bib Sheet, Timber Sale Area Map, and sample Private Land Timber Contract were prepared for approval by the landowner.

(5) April 15, 2006, Timber sale was put out on bids for a May 2, 2006 bid opening.

(6) A number of producers looked at the sale but markets were now going "soft" and most were "backed up" with wood to be cut. There was one bid that was acceptable.

(7) The Harvest Contract was signed on May 16, 2006 with an expiration date of April 30, 2008.

8.  September 12, 2007, the purchaser started the harvest with the intent to complete it in a short time frame. However with slow markets and backed up with wood on other sales they had to complete the job dragged out for 6 1/2 month until the very last day of the contract, April 30, 2008. This job was carried on longer than usual, mostly because of the poor markets.

I've found that logger's are never as timely as they say they will be. When they say tomorrow, it's usually two weeks from tomorrow.  ;)

The producer was one of my better ones, but poor markets and the reasons you mentioned caused their late start-up and slow production. Once they started they were slow and consistent, but did a good job overall.

Over all from first meeting with the landowner until harvest completion it was just over 2 1/2 years. I usually allow enough time on my contracts so as to get the better producers and bidders and I inform the landowners of this though they may sometimes get inpatient.  
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on May 13, 2008, 05:01:01 AM
Yeah, quite a while to complete. You can get a few producers to do a good job, but you have to watch most of them close. Some tend to high grade if not watched over, and some take a long while and you wonder how they pay the bills. Had one guy that took 3 years and the owner was a town. They had budgeted $45,000 a year from harvests from a 300 acre woodlot. $45,000 was close to the figure from the volume removed in those 3 years. It took 3 years and the owners were at a point where they were calling everyone involved thieves.  That same lot had been badly high graded 10 years before. ::)

At the same time I looked after another lot that we harvested in the months of January-March over two years and collected the same amount of money on 80 acres. The job looked real good and you couldn't even see the skid paths after 3 years. Chalk full of regen. We had about 6 acres of clearings (I measured them), plus roads and the clearings where no bigger than 2 acres and down to less than 1 acre. It was areas of mature fir and aspen. Some of the aspen was veneer, most of the hardwood removed was small and low grade.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: AlexHart on May 22, 2008, 09:34:34 PM
Well I've just recently joined this forum and I have really enjoyed reading this thread, especially seeing how you midwestern guys seem to put these 4 wheel forwarders to such effective use.   Almost nobody runs machines like that out here.    I just purchased a 1987 Franklin 132 forwarder from out in NW Illinois and had to pay to get it trucked all the way out here to Connecticut and can't wait to try it out once all the repairs are made on it.   Maybe I can get some pics and add something to this thread.   
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Dave Shepard on May 22, 2008, 10:23:12 PM
Welcome to the Forum! You can't be too far from me, I'm just over the line in MA


Dave
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: AlexHart on May 23, 2008, 09:09:00 PM
Thanks Dave,   I had never heard of Alford Mass and I just looked it up and you aren't very far from me at all.   I truck quite a bit into Bob Beham's yard in Ashley Falls and hauled a lot of logs off of Mt. Washington this winter which looks very close to you.  Its pretty funny I'd never heard of your town and I drove right by it dozens of times the last few months. If you ever need trucking or anything let me know.   
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Dave Shepard on May 23, 2008, 09:30:36 PM
I'm about ~20 minutes from Bob. He said he stops by the Forum once in a while.


Dave
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: timberfaller390 on May 30, 2008, 10:42:24 PM
WOW took a full week to get through that one, and that was just skimming through to look at all the purdy pictures. :D I especially liked the 3 pictures of the old log trucks,except for my saw and tractor all I run is old junk.. I mean antique equipment   ;D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Harvester on June 03, 2008, 03:37:45 PM
Hi all,
I'm new to this forum, I just dreamed that I was -25 years and could start with the gear that below link shows:
http://www.e-series.fi/revolution/index.htm
The younger has a pretty good start nowadays with excellent machines, I had a TJ404 with "open cab" and the blue heaven above my hard hat, free exhaust smoke in my face.
:)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: stonebroke on June 03, 2008, 04:33:16 PM
wonder how much they cost?

Stonebroke
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: semologger on June 04, 2008, 06:53:26 PM
I want a couple of the simulators. They look like fun.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: stonebroke on June 05, 2008, 08:06:22 AM
semologger

The real things would be much more fun.

Stonebroke
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: zackman1801 on June 05, 2008, 05:58:33 PM
Quote from: semologger on June 04, 2008, 06:53:26 PM
I want a couple of the simulators. They look like fun.

we have four computers in our forestry class with both Harvester and Forwarder simulators on them. they are pretty cool because with the joysticks you buy for the software the controls are actually very similar if not the exact same as alot of Valmet equipment.  the only things these lack is graphics. the graphics are utterly horrible, the limbs on the trees are just green triangles on the stem, and the white birch trees look like someone painted a spruce tree white.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Harvester on June 11, 2008, 03:05:10 PM
Quote from: stonebroke on June 03, 2008, 04:33:16 PM
wonder how much they cost?

Stonebroke
Stonebroke, according to a Scandinavien Forestry News magazine price for the harvester 1470E is US$ 616,000 and the forwarder 1270E is US$ 450,000, Cheap  ::)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: stonebroke on June 11, 2008, 05:34:09 PM
I wonder how much wood you would have to cut ina average day to pay for that?

Almost like you are working for John Deere.

Stonebroke

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on June 11, 2008, 06:05:38 PM
Up here it means a lot more woodlots will suffer with the clear cut mentality pushed onto the operator to pay for them. It's more about finance sometimes than management.  ::)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: beenthere on June 11, 2008, 06:54:57 PM
Quote from: stonebroke on June 11, 2008, 05:34:09 PM
.............Almost like you are working for John Deere.
.....

What does that comment mean?  and directed at who?   :)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Woodhog on June 12, 2008, 09:57:55 AM
Maybe they mean John Deere FINANCE Division..

It would only then cost around a million dollars to get some wood out and sell for nothing.

Here now you have to run 3 processors to make what at one time you made with one.

Lets also buy a tractor trailer and loader to have the complete package and haul our own wood. The cost per mile for fuel on the highway for that is only about $1.15 per mile around here.

It looks like fun tho sitting in there with no blackflies chewing you up... :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: stonebroke on June 12, 2008, 01:05:59 PM
Quote from: beenthere on June 11, 2008, 06:54:57 PM
Quote from: stonebroke on June 11, 2008, 05:34:09 PM
.............Almost like you are working for John Deere.
.....

What does that comment mean?  and directed at who?   :)

It means that you are working real hard just to pay the equipment off and you really don't make any money except for the equipment maker. It is common among us farmers.

Stonebroke
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: beenthere on June 12, 2008, 01:56:44 PM
Thanks, now I "see"... 8) 8) :) :)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on June 17, 2008, 12:38:10 PM
Our Next Job. Last week's severe storms have caused a lot of blowdown and tree damage to local woodland areas. This is a salvage job we have started the field work on today. Not our favorite kind of work areas.

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: zackman1801 on June 17, 2008, 06:21:34 PM
looks like a big mess, lots of springpoles to deal with.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on June 17, 2008, 06:33:36 PM
What a nightmare to work in. Is a lot of that aspen? Seems like small root balls.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on June 18, 2008, 10:47:38 AM
Yes, it is mostly aspen with areas of standing sawlog size aspen that should have been harvested several years ago. The landowner realizes that, but just didn't. We are going to harvest all of the aspen and downed red maple and oak in and around the blowdown and leave the intermixed standing red and white oak for wildlife. It should end up looking like a shelterwood cut.

There is also a small blowdown area of red pine plantation of pole size timber that we will try to have cleaned up also.

Yes, a mess and not the safest areas to work.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: twobears on June 18, 2008, 04:53:15 PM

last week we also got a very bad wind storm. saddly,i lost a friend in it as he was running a log loader the storm hit.he saw a tree coming for the loader and tryed running for safety.he didn,t make it.he was going down the steps of the loader and got hit acrossed the back.he died right there..  :'(

delbert
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on June 18, 2008, 08:05:52 PM
What a sad incident.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: twobears on June 18, 2008, 09:02:02 PM

YEP RON:that really bothered me.who would ever think that a tree would get ya as you ran a log loader.i can see a log getting away from ya,the loader busting,or falling off the loader..but,hit by a blow down?? i figured i,de post it so everybody else would know it can and has happened.. :'( i worked with kenny for several years on a logging job.

delbert
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: beenthere on June 18, 2008, 09:40:53 PM
No ROPS on that log loader?  Sorry to hear about it, but might have been safer lived by not jumping off, i.e. leaving the protection of the ROPS.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: semologger on June 18, 2008, 10:12:00 PM
Sorry to hear about your friend Two Bears. We had a bad twister a few years back. We took on a 20 acre job. Mostly white oak and red oak. It didnt take long for us to get back to the pine thicket. I hated it i ran the skidder and had a guy running the saw. He knew what he was doing thank goodness. I was happy for that job to be done.

Most guys around here that did good on the jobs used a Bell cutter with a dangle head.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on June 19, 2008, 07:08:08 AM
Hindsight is always 20/20.
Sorry to hear about Kenny.That was a freak accident.That is too bad something like that had to happen.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: twobears on June 19, 2008, 08:43:23 AM

BEENTHERE:log loader cabs are mostly for comfort not stopping falling trees that inch square tubing and 1/8inch steel plate won,t stop much.it,s tough to stand your ground when a trees coming at you.it,s to bad he ran tho.if he had stayed in the loader he would still be here.but,like i said it,s tough to stand your ground if a trees coming at you.
CFARM:your right..talk about being in the wrong place at the wrong time.i,ve been thur tornato's(sp) 100 mph straightline winds,ect,ect,ect and i can say that storm was the most violent storm i,ve ever been thur.the wind went from about 10 mph to over 70 mph in a split second and it rained so hard i think a fish could have swam thur the air.the whole house shuttered when the wind first hit...it sounded like a big truck hit the house.

delbert
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on June 19, 2008, 11:06:22 AM
Mother Nature continues to show us "who is boss".
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on June 19, 2008, 03:53:04 PM
Yeah, just rotten luck. When your in panic mode you don't think too clear some times. Sad you lost your friend.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on June 22, 2008, 05:25:53 PM
The center mount loaders we use up here don't have any kind of operator protection, just a seat. Slasher loaders that have cabs usually don't contain a ROPS, it's just to keep you out of the cold.  Sorry to hear about your friend, twobears.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: redneck logger on August 09, 2008, 02:07:56 PM
heres whats going to be on my crew

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Gary_C on August 09, 2008, 02:55:05 PM
That's a nice looking tracked harvester. Is that one of those big Valmet heads on that machine?

Do you always use graple skidders rather than forwarders behind your harvesters?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on August 09, 2008, 04:03:50 PM
Grapple skidder is quite commonly used with processors here Gary. I find that a skidder makes for a better catch of new regeneration. Often a processor will tear up advanced regen from a lot of operations I see. And some advanced regen is best torn up if it's 50 year old fir 4 feet tall. If the timing of the harvest is right the fir, spruce, sugar maple and yellow birch will come back thicker than dog hair. ;D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: redneck logger on August 09, 2008, 07:04:07 PM
sorry thats what i want when im older im only 13
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Gary_C on August 10, 2008, 03:54:02 AM
The only jobs here that use a grapple skidder behind a harvester are in steep terain where the danger of rollovers with a forwarder is just too high.

There is just no way to keep up with a harvester without a good forwarder and even then it's difficult. Even a forwarder is seldom used for long distances like over a half mile. When you have to haul farther than that, they usually fix the road up for the semi's and use intermediate landings.

Also on many of the jobs we get now there are multiple species and cut lengths to deal with and hauling small bundles is waay too time consuming and sorting is even worse.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on August 10, 2008, 04:27:19 AM
Forwarders are common here now.Seems like if you have 2-3 guys a forwarder is used.When my lot was cut they used a forwarder and a grapple.I had a couple steep area that he wanted to use the skidder.Trees were to big for the havester or he would of used that.There are still some guys that cut alone that only have a skidder.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Dom on August 10, 2008, 04:29:37 PM
Quote from: Gary_C on August 09, 2008, 02:55:05 PM
That's a nice looking tracked harvester. Is that one of those big Valmet heads on that machine?

Do you always use graple skidders rather than forwarders behind your harvesters?

The head is a Logmax. I'm assuming a 7000. The harvester looks like a Tigercat 822.
Logmax heads are very productive units.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: zackman1801 on August 10, 2008, 11:37:13 PM
Quote from: thecfarm on August 10, 2008, 04:27:19 AM
Forwarders are common here now.Seems like if you have 2-3 guys a forwarder is used.When my lot was cut they used a forwarder and a grapple.I had a couple steep area that he wanted to use the skidder.Trees were to big for the havester or he would of used that.There are still some guys that cut alone that only have a skidder.
the only really mech logging around my area is for big companies that work directly for paper mills and the sort. mostly they just cut softwood for pulp and chip the tops and small trees. But the most common operations are usually just  guy or 2 and a skidder.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on August 11, 2008, 04:33:12 AM
How much do you drive around in ME,Zackman?I'm not talking up north.Just in our area.I see forwarders quite often cutting on small lots.I went with my Grandson's field trip,forwarder,grapple,even a three wheel havester,and chipper.I drove by a lot last year on the way to work and there was a forwarder cutting for a house lot.Was another on the way to my FIL house.I've been seeing them.Maybe they all work for the paper company.The guy that cut for me does a lot for IP or whatever it is now.
I do wonder how some was and can make decent money with all the high cost of equipment.At first I was not all that impressesd with a forwarder.But from what I've seen on other sites and on my lot,I'm very impressesd now.I have quite a hill to get up into my lot.With a skidder the top of the hill would of been at the bottom.The trails are so much better looking.I would like to have one just to haul rocks with.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on August 11, 2008, 05:38:16 AM
Gary, delimber and slasher on the yard on a few operations. On sites with small hardwood it's all pulp and might be someone bucking logs, but the volumes here are low so the bucker would never really be flooded with wood.  ;) On softwood ground, it would go tree length and probably a delimber on the yard. Talking private woodlots and career loggers, not small operators or weekend loggers. Yarding is usually less than 400 meters. Most private woodlots are between 250-400 meters wide, road up the middle or on the property line. ;)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: timberfaller390 on August 11, 2008, 06:30:42 PM
Everybody down my way uses a buncher followed by a grapple skidder, except us small timers then its chainsaws cable skidders and some kind of loader. I have never seen a forwarder on a job site here.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on August 11, 2008, 09:26:21 PM
Timberfaller3, I have a friend down there that lives in Juliette. He has a Ponsse Ergo harvester, another fellow has a Ponsse forwarder that works behind him. They are the only Ponsse machines in Georgia, I believe there are some John Deere cut to length operations though. The wood down there is ideal for the cut to length machines, but they aren't very well accepted.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: timberfaller390 on August 12, 2008, 10:28:15 AM
Quote from: barbender on August 11, 2008, 09:26:21 PM
Timberfaller3, I have a friend down there that lives in Juliette. He has a Ponsse Ergo harvester, another fellow has a Ponsse forwarder that works behind him. They are the only Ponsse machines in Georgia, I believe there are some John Deere cut to length operations though. The wood down there is ideal for the cut to length machines, but they aren't very well accepted.
Your right about it not being accepted. But then again neither is most standard safety gear. If you find a one or two man operation up here in the hills besides me that uses so much as a hard hat, then you done something worth talking about. In my area there is still a good many 1940-1970 log trucks on the road and alot of home brewed equipment, now that ain't to say that the big companies don't use all the proper safety gear cause most of them do, but it's awful hard for OSHA to come down on one guy with a chainsaw for not wearing chaps especially when Georgia ain't an OSHA state.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: twobears on August 15, 2008, 09:12:16 PM

anybody that runs a chainsaw without the proper safety equiptment is a fool! when,that chain cuts into you..you,ll wish you had chaps on..or if a tree hits you on the head you,ll wish you had a hard hat on.
i always ware safety equipment but,i know just whats it,s like to watch a chainsaw kickback and rip you apart.three years ago this coming tuesday,i got cut by a husky 272.i got cut pretty much from my left wrist to the inside of my elbow.it hit down by my wrist and twisted around my arm.when,it stopped the bar and chain was stuck in my arm and i had blood pouring out of me.i was a good 400 yards back from the landing and by myself.the other skidder op was 700/800 yards behind me and as lucky would have it the truck driver just showed up on the landing.
i pulled the saw out of my arm,tossed it on the ground and held my arm back together as best as i could.i had blood pouring thur my fingers in streams.i had to jump off the tree i was standing on.once,i got on the ground i leaned over and pushed my arm into my hip to put more pressure on it..i had blood running thur my fingers and down my chaps,it was running off the toe of my boot.i hit the landing and yelled to the truck driver.he looked but didn,t see me so i yelled again.. i,ve worked with him on and off for 20 years..i never seen him move so fast.. :o i also never saw him turn so white.
it has taken me two and a half years to recover and i,ll have a messedup left hand for the rest of my life.
now is not wearing the proper safety equipment worth it?? oooo,and don,t depend on that chain brake saving you..mine didn,t.it didn,t go off when the saw first kicked back and it didn,t even fire when the brake handle hit the side of my hand.

delbert
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: timberfaller390 on August 15, 2008, 09:18:40 PM
Exactly the reason I have chaps helmets boots gloves and eye/ear protection at all times, and being with the local fire/rescue department I have seen my share of chainsaw mishaps that range from very minor to dead when we got there.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: twobears on August 16, 2008, 08:47:20 PM

a logger has to remember where he is.the hospital might be hours away.i,ve taken two trips.the first time i got hit in the face and busted my nose really baddly.we where on paper company land.it took 45 minutes to just get to the gate on town road.then,it took another hour plus to get to the hospital.
the time i sawed my arm i was just around the corner from my house and working on private land.the land owner keepplaying game on fixing the road into the landing and we could hardly get in and out..even,in a 4x4 pickup truck.things moved pretty fast that day but it still took awhile to reach the hospital.the log truck driver called 911 on his cell phone.i was really surprized he got a good enough signal...he did tho.once,he got the emt's on the way he took his sons pickup truck and drove me out to the town road.the emt's gpt there just a very minutes later.they checked me out and then drove me acrossed my little town to a feild so,a chopper could take me the rest of the way.i ended up in a hospital about 45 minutes away by road.but,it was about two hours from getting cut until i got in the hospital.
you only have so much blood and once part of it's drained out of you..your done.EVERY!! logger should not only wear chaps,hardhat,ect they also should learn first-aid.i think a person should also learn to deal with seeing blood,ect..alot of people can,t.when,my friend got killed i heard that the skidder op saw him first and he wouldn,t even go check on him.he waited for another guy to get out of the woods and had him check on my friend. thats NOT!! the way to handle a accident.if i had been that way i,de most likely be dead. it surely wasn,t pretty or fun to see that saw cut me apart but,i had to deal with it or die.
ok,enough of that..go get your chaps,hardhat,check your chain brake and get some first-aid training then be careful so you never have to use it,,

delbert
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Craig on August 19, 2008, 09:24:52 AM
Don't forget a personal first aid kit on you as well. If you are pinned or injured really badly the kit in the skidder or in a truck on the landing won't do you much good.


Craig
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: twobears on August 19, 2008, 11:18:23 AM

CRAIG:you right.i know very few loggers around here that carry a first aid kit right on them.you should carry one plus,you should learn ways to use whats always around you..(your shirt,belt,hands,,ect,ect,ect.i had a licence from the state and i had to have a up to date first aid and cpr card to keep it.when,the time came to use it i was very glad i had it.
after,i got cut i had alot of time to think about my accident.i learned the military and hopitals use several products to stop bleeding.one is called clotstopper.i learned about that on the web.i printed the info and showed it to my doctor.he told me they had stuff like that also.the clotstopper cames in a MRE type package and is weather proof.a guy could tape it right inside his hardhat.you just open that package and sprinkle it on the wound to stop the flow of blood.

delbert
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on August 19, 2008, 02:07:14 PM
I carry a first aid kit in my brush saw harness as well as fire retardant ansil pack.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on August 19, 2008, 05:40:12 PM
 Hitachi 150 Tracked Harvester. This tracked processor is being used on a cut to length timber harvest. A Valmet 544X Forwarder works with the processor. Ewald timber harvest; 5/08.



(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/hitachi_150_tracked_harvester.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on August 20, 2008, 07:35:36 PM
Hitachi 150 Tracked Harvester. Cut to length harvesting; Ewald timber harvest; 5/08.



(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/hitachi_150_tracked_harvester1.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on August 21, 2008, 04:46:46 PM
Valmet 544X Forwarder. The Valmet fowarder is used to support the Hitachi 150 tracked harvester in the "cut to length" timber harvest; Ewald timber harvest; 5/08.



(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/valmet_544_forwarder.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on August 23, 2008, 11:46:54 AM
Valmet 544X Forwarder. Wood processed by the tracked harvester is forwarded to the landing'decking area.



(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/valmet_544X_forwarder2.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: stonebroke on August 23, 2008, 12:01:03 PM
What kind of trees are those ?

Stonebroke
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on August 23, 2008, 03:25:17 PM
Those are aspen in the above photo . The timber sale was mostly aspen and red maple, and some black cherry.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: stonebroke on August 23, 2008, 04:46:29 PM
So does it go mostly for pulp or do they saw those nice aspen?

Stonebroke
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on August 23, 2008, 05:36:35 PM
10 inches and up will go for sawlogs if straight and sound and the rest goes for pulpwood.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on August 24, 2008, 09:09:06 PM
Kenworth Woodhauler. The Kenworth woodhauler picks up the sorted wood products decked along the access road. The wood deck in front are aspen sawlogs.



(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/kenworth_at_the_landing.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on August 26, 2008, 11:16:29 AM
Kenworth Woodhauler at the landing. The Kenworth has been turned around at the end of the access road and is now being loaded with aspen pulpwood for transport to the Tenaco mill 40 miles away.



(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/kenworth_at_the_landing1.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on August 28, 2008, 07:29:25 PM
Timber Harvest Completed. This shows some of the thinning area a couple days after completion by the tracked harvester.  The harvester does a good job on getting the slash down. Ewald timber harvest. 5/08



(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/ewald_sale_thinning.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on August 29, 2008, 05:39:59 PM
FT-153 Fabtech Tracked Harvester. The harvester arrives at the timber harvest area for unloading. This harvester replaces the Hitachi 150 tracked harvester seen on previous harvests as the timber producer upgrades to a newer and faster machine. Maturen storm damage timber harvest; 8/08.



(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/fabtech_tracked_harvester_FT-153.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on August 31, 2008, 10:14:12 AM
Fabtech Tracked Harvester FT-153. The Fabtech unloads on the county gravel road to prepare the access into the harvest area. Maturen timber harvest; 8/08.



(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/fabtech_tracked_harvester1_FT-153.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on September 01, 2008, 06:49:09 PM
Fabtech FT-153 Tracked Harvester. The Fabtech harvester clears and widens the narrow winding two-track road into the storm damaged timber area as the first order of business to allow for truck access and hauling. Maturen timber ahrvest; 8/08.



(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/fabtech_tracked_harvester2_FT-153.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: JLeBouton on September 08, 2008, 06:28:09 PM
Looking good...
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: semologger on September 16, 2008, 12:22:39 AM
ron i was curious you said
Quote from: Ron Scott on September 01, 2008, 06:49:09 PM
Fabtech FT-153 Tracked Harvester. The Fabtech harvester clears and widens the narrow winding two-track road into the storm damaged timber area as the first order of business to allow for truck access and hauling.


(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/fabtech_tracked_harvester2_FT-153.JPG)

But do you bring in a dozer to build the roads afterwards to build the roads? if so dont the stump holes give ya problems?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on September 17, 2008, 09:44:26 AM
We very seldon use a dozer since we have many existing two track roads that usually need minor improvement for timber hauling. In this case, there was already an existing winding two-track road with a firm base, but not wide enough and with curves theat were too sharp for the 100 foot wood hauler to negotate. (Our loggers are very particular with their semi's and don't want to dent them or get them dirty.  ;) )

The Fabtech cut additional marked trees along the two track to widen and straighten it out for wood hauling. The valmet forwarder was then used to pull the stumps and fill the stump holes and pack the road in. The woodhauler then packed it in very well for a firm base.

When we left the harvest area the road was graded with the forwarder blade as neded and by dragging a tree top over it to smooth it out for two wheel drive vehicle use. We left the landowner with a good passable road that a pickup could hardly negotiate to begin with.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on September 17, 2008, 04:04:25 PM
As what Ron said about the Trucks not getting messed up, some truckers here don't even like a road with green limbs over hanging and swatting the mirrors.  And they will tell you right quick. ;)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on September 19, 2008, 07:15:57 PM
If you ever had to pay to replace any of those chrome trim parts you would understand why...
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on September 26, 2008, 07:59:34 PM
FT-153 Fabtech Tracked Harvester.  Cutting aspen products to length in a blowdown timber harvest. Maturen timber harvest; 7/08.



(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/fabtech_harvester1.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: nas on September 27, 2008, 08:44:48 AM
Ron
  What is the aspen used for?
Is it all for pulp? OSB?
Thanks
Nick
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on September 27, 2008, 09:30:43 AM
It's (veneer quality aspen) often veneer product core wood. Take a sheet of birch plywood, you have that razor thin birch veneer outside and the core layers will sometimes be aspen. I can smell the stuff when ripping on the table saw. Has that asprin smell in the dust.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on September 27, 2008, 11:24:32 AM
Aspen is used for all of the above, lumber, pulpwood, OSB, core stock, pellets, chipwood, etc. depending upon the quality and local markets.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Bill Johnson on September 29, 2008, 12:44:13 PM
Photos taken on Nighthawk Timber job in Brunswick township (east of Gogama, south of Timmins, west of Gowganda...sort of).

First is a truck being loaded with 8 foot jackpine pulp most likely going to Nairn Centre for chipping.


(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10003/Picture_005_1.jpg)

Second is piles of pulp wood and sawlogs at roadside waiting to be hauled


(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10003/Picture_006_1.jpg)

Third is the processor and a closer shot of the processing head



(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10003/Picture_008_1.jpg)


(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10003/Picture_009_1.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: stonebroke on September 29, 2008, 02:15:44 PM
Are those seed trees in the background or what?

Stonebroke
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Bill Johnson on September 30, 2008, 07:39:10 AM
Stonebroke
In the case of Nighthawk Timber (as well as any other Crown forest operators on the Timiskaming Forest) there is a legal requirement to leave living, dying or dead standing trees for wildlife purposes. Our rule set calls for a minimum of 25 trees/hectare (12/acre) well distributed across the cutover of which 6 must be large living with 2 being at least 12" dbh).

Additonally, there is also be a requirement to leave uncut patches to provide additional cover for wildlife but this depends on the total disturbance area (combination of new and old cuts).
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on October 05, 2008, 12:45:13 PM
Valmet 544x Forwarder. The Valmet forwarder works along with the Fabetech track processor. Here it picks up recently cut-to-lenght aspen wood products for carry to the landing/decking area. Maturen timber harverst; 7/08.



(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/valmet_544X_forwarder.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on October 05, 2008, 07:32:07 PM
Well, I hope you have lots of big wood and good price.  ;) :)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Dom on October 05, 2008, 08:10:46 PM
I should specify that I do contract work for Rottne Canada.

Rottne Canada is going to try and do a demo of the H20 soon. When they do, I'll take some pics.

Here is a picture of the machine in the shop:

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11394/H20-2.JPG)

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on October 12, 2008, 08:11:26 PM
Loading Directly From The Valmet Forwarder. The woodhauler is top-loaded directly from the valmet forwarder. Maturen timber harvest; 7/08.



(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/loading_truck_from_valmet1.JPG)



(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/loading_truck_from_valmet1%7E0.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: John_valmet on October 22, 2008, 03:37:11 PM
 

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/18154/forwarder.jpg)
A valmet 840 forwarder.

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: John_valmet on October 22, 2008, 04:01:54 PM
ill post more when i can resize my photos  ;)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Gary_C on October 22, 2008, 04:06:55 PM
Hello John. Is that a coincidence with your last name?

Here is my Valmet 840:



(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11467/Valmet-840-Forwarder.jpg)

Seems strange they are both the same models, but I know they are. Where was that one made?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: John_valmet on October 22, 2008, 04:11:06 PM
yeah the name is probably cos i like valmet machines lol, it was made in sweden. used in the uk its a 1997 model a bit older than yours i suspect lol
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: John_valmet on October 23, 2008, 06:04:22 AM
 


(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/18154/DSC00389.JPG)

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/18154/DSC00388.JPG)
this is my valmet 860 when i was working on a clear fell site in mid Wales.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on October 23, 2008, 11:26:08 AM
Well Done! What type of harvester were you supporting?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: John_valmet on October 23, 2008, 02:30:00 PM
lol there was three!! We had a Daewoo 225 with a Viking havesting head, Timberjack 1270C with a 758c head and also a (Silvatec Sliepner with a silvatec 560 head on demo). i have a photo of the silvatec.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/18154/DSC00387.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Gary_C on October 23, 2008, 03:42:20 PM
John, nice forwarders and harvester. What lengths do you cut? I see you have two different lengths.

Do you have both an 840 and a 860?

I think all the black painted 840's here in the US were made in Gladstone, MI. and had Cummins engines but that could be wrong. My 840 was at least assembled in the US and had a Sisu 4 cylinder diesel and is a bit underpowered. The 840.2 had a 6 cylinder Sisu engine.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: John_valmet on October 23, 2008, 03:51:15 PM
we cut too many different legnths gary lol in one of those pictures of the 860 i was loading fencing stakes at 5'6" then the second picture i was loading 10' saw logs. but we cut stakes 5'6", rails 12', bars 8', pulp/chip usually 8', different saw logs from 6' to 16'.yeah the sisu 6 cylinder is what was in our 860. we have a brand new 840.3 i dont have pictures of that one though and the 860. the 840 is capable to match to the 860. we had the bunk on the 840 extended so it can take two bays of 10' logs easily.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: John_valmet on October 23, 2008, 04:18:12 PM
to be honest gary i have always been interested in what it would be like to work in the US on a harvesting site. Ive always been told by people ive worked with who have worked in canada and austraila that its the same as here only everything is much bigger lol.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on October 24, 2008, 10:08:31 AM
How large of a cutting area are you working with the 3 harvesters? Are there additional forwarders being used also? It sounds like you have a good product mix to sort and market.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: John_valmet on October 24, 2008, 10:32:35 AM
we only use two forwarders a new valmet 840.3 and the 860. thats enough to keep up with 3 harvestors i cant remember the actual size of the patch i just remember that there was approximatly 15 000 tonnes of standing timber to harvest  ::)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: John_valmet on October 24, 2008, 10:49:15 AM
i hope this helps give you some clue to the size of the patch ron. its a shot from before the we started the site. the patch both sides of the road was harvested.
http://www.flashearth.com/?lat=52.377658&lon=-3.435533&z=16.1&r=0&src=msl
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: JLeBouton on October 26, 2008, 03:28:55 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/3OisG3meFks&hl=en&

FABTEK 663 checking saw speed
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on October 26, 2008, 03:45:59 PM
All you need FabTek, is the Youtube URL as typed below. Html code doesn't work in the forum threads.



http://www.youtube.com/v/3OisG3meFks

FABTEK 663 checking saw speed

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Gary_C on October 27, 2008, 08:46:00 PM
Quote from: John_valmet on October 23, 2008, 04:18:12 PM
to be honest gary i have always been interested in what it would be like to work in the US on a harvesting site. Ive always been told by people ive worked with who have worked in canada and austraila that its the same as here only everything is much bigger lol.

I am not so sure the jobs here are bigger. While we do have some 6-8000 cord jobs, it looks like you have the same size jobs there. We still have some 100+ cord jobs as the private woodlots are being more and more fragmented. And on many of those larger jobs, the loggers are still using big tracked feller bunchers along with big grapple skidders. Those jobs are not of much interest to a smaller cut to length operator, at least not to me.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: John_valmet on October 28, 2008, 05:38:28 AM
yeah im not that interested in feller buncher - grapple skidding operations. infact i dont think in the uk we do anything like that to be honest. its more cut to length jobs. also skyline jobs too they were quite populor but less now because contractors tend to use harvesters and forwarders to do the skyline jobs. For cheaper rates than the skyline gangs. which i think is not very fair.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on October 28, 2008, 11:19:02 AM
The soil types, landscape and management objectives will usually guide the method and equipment we allow to perform the harvest.

Our selection harvests will be "cut-to-length" with chainsaws, harveters and forwarders and our pine row thinnings and selections between rows and clear cuts or land clearings, and chipping operations may use feller bunchers and grapple skidders.



Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: John_valmet on October 28, 2008, 11:55:32 AM
thats probably why there aint many if any feller bunchers work in the uk because the ground is too soft. i havent been on a site yet were our forwarders could go without band tracks or wheel chains.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: semologger on February 13, 2009, 09:39:47 AM
This thread just needed bumped up. Lots of new guys around.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Big Stick on February 13, 2009, 09:46:03 AM
Am suprised to read more about cords,than millions of board feet in a sale.

Photo test.


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on February 13, 2009, 09:51:17 AM
I'm surprised not to see m3. Not. 

Sometimes even more surprised that the photo posting tutorial isn't noticed. But I can understand when there is a photo posting icon in the posting header. ;D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Big Stick on February 13, 2009, 09:58:29 AM
I guess when a guy is putting a minimum of 5 million boards a year on the ground,"cords" lose their luster.

My bad,for being desensitized..............
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on February 13, 2009, 10:02:34 AM
That's a lot of boards, 'bout 10000 cords.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: chevytaHOE5674 on February 13, 2009, 10:21:16 AM
I'm going in the field this afternoon. We have a Ponsee processor cutting hardwoods, and spruce/fir, so i will grab some pictures and videos if i get a chance.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barniescamp on March 02, 2009, 04:16:36 PM
Quote from: isawlogs on August 09, 2006, 10:57:14 AM

For those of you who ever wundered how they got the chips out of the trucks when they got to the mills ..   

                       
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10487/t%E9mis025.jpg)
 
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10487/T%E9mis032.jpg)

This was taken at the Tembec mill in Témiscamingue Québec . Both wear being unloaded at the same time . I work here been here for five years I used to haul chips for them before from Bancroft and Huntsville Ont.


Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 10, 2009, 05:02:35 PM
Loaded Chip Van of Scotch Pine Chips is pulled up the steep hill on the access road after spring break-up. The John Deere 450E pulls while the 380 Timberjack grapple skidder pushes. Schirmer wood chip harvest; 4/08.



(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/chip_van1.JPG)

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/chip_van2.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 14, 2009, 06:19:54 PM
Equipment Used On A Fuelwood Chip Harvest. Clearcutting wildland scotch pine plantation for fuel chips. The areas will be replanted next spring with 2-0 red pine. Schirmer Fuel Chip Harvest; 4/09.

411 EX Hydro AX


(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/hydro_ax_411ex%7E0.JPG)

380 Timberjack Grapple Skidder


(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/380_timberjack_grapple_skidder%7E0.JPG)

Small Trelan Chipper


(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/treelan_chipper%7E0.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on June 26, 2009, 08:02:54 PM
Scotch Pine Chip Harvest. The timberjack grabble skidder pulls the poorly formed Scotch pine trees to the chipper for processing and blowing into the chip van. Schirmer chip harvest; 6/09.



(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/schirmer_chip_sale.JPG)



(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/schirmer_chip_sale1.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: tractorg25 on July 02, 2009, 12:58:33 PM
grew up pulp wood / short stick logging. Felled with Poulan straigt bars and bucked with bow bars. skidded with a 1952 D2 Cat with a sled that would hold two cord. Hauled to mill on an old two ton IH truck similar to the one in Tom's picture. Now I have moved up to a D6 Cat and John Deere  wheel tractor for skidding, still fell and buck with chain saws and haul with a 1973 C-65 chevy truck and tandem trailer. 10 to 16 ft saw logs and ceder fence post is all I cut now.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on July 05, 2009, 07:15:17 PM
Trelan 5600-L Chipper. Chipping Scotch pine; Schirmer chip harvest; 6/09



(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/trelan_chipper.JPG)



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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: semologger on July 06, 2009, 09:59:51 PM
Welcome aboard tractorg25.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on July 22, 2009, 12:20:47 PM
West Virginia Logging. My return to Richwood West Virginia after 31 years found logging to be quite active now in the Richwood area. While I was their during the early 1970's the Monongahela N.F. was under court injunction prohibiting clearcutting.

Here a log tuck travels down the main street of Richwood, West Virginia, the Gateway to the Monongahela National Forest, 6/09. I never saw this happen during my 4 years there. Only coal trucks .



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Another log truck makes a turn from Oakford Avenue on to Main Stree in Richwood, W. Va., 6/09.



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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on July 30, 2009, 07:47:26 PM
Columbia Mill Road Sign; Craigsville, W VA; 6/09



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A wood hauler prepares to make a turn into the large Columbia hardwood plywood mill in Craigsville, W Va; 6/09.



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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on July 31, 2009, 02:42:37 AM
Ron,

Is that a sawmill or veneer plant? As you probably know, they are the largest veneer manufacturer in the country I believe. They have a plant up in Presque Isle, Maine and send a buyer around the Maritimes and Quebec for veneer to scale. I know one fellow that works there and a former scaler as well. The fellow that works there now has worked under me at the Marketing Board.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on July 31, 2009, 10:55:19 AM
It's quite a mill complex producing a number of wood products including hardwood plywood and fiber board. The Jeld-Wen Wood Fiber division is also located there in the Nicholas County Wood Products Park. It's the most wood producing activity that I've seen in awhile.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: GregW on July 31, 2009, 04:37:47 PM
Here's some old iron...



(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/19979/skidder2.jpg)

1974 International S8 "Paylogger". Weight is about 20k. 3-53 Detroit, 23.1x26 tires, Gearmatic 119 winch. I bought this about 15 yrs ago. Used it full-time logging until 3 yrs ago. I now only log part-time, mostly in the winter months. This has been a good skidder and has used me well.



(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/19979/skidder.jpg)



(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/19979/skidder1.jpg)

I use it sometimes to load big logs on my sawmill ...



(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/19979/BigPine.jpg)

IH quit making skidders in the early 80's I think. I have used JD's, Timberjacks, Tree Farmers and Franklins. I like this IH the most of all.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on July 31, 2009, 06:15:10 PM
Dad had a late 60's Tree Farmer, gas engine. The only thing I seen him replace was the battery. He used to remove it when the machine was sitting idle for a few months. I was going to say he replaced the manifold, but all he did was repair it because I think parts were hard to find at the time. Never sold it until he was ready to sell the farm. Dad used to cut all his own wood on the farm for fuel and for mill sales. There was places far off the fields he never even got to. "Why go way over there? Lots of wood right here."  I tried to convince him to cut some huge aspen at the end, close to the field to, but he was all done farm'n. :D :D :D

There was a small grove of large toothed aspen that grew back since a cut in 1994, and in 2007 those trees were already 8" dbh. Fastest growing native tree I've seen around here, it will out pace trembling by far.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Weekend_Sawyer on August 03, 2009, 09:06:34 PM

Saw this harvester sitting out by the road in Southern Maryland along 301. No one was around so I didn't get any information. It says BELL on it. looks like a fun ride.



(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10233/270/Bell_Harvester2.JPG)

Here's a front view. Looks like George Lucas would like one for his movies  :)



(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10233/270/Bell_Harvester.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: beenthere on August 03, 2009, 09:10:34 PM
Weekend_Sawyer
Here is a tube video of one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrKoxnUx2vQ
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: beenthere on August 03, 2009, 09:31:37 PM
And another. This one shows a grapple on a boom.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzI46UA-J_8&feature=related
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Tripp on August 03, 2009, 09:56:06 PM
That is one wild vehicle. I like it!

Tripp
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: wi woodcutter on August 03, 2009, 10:39:19 PM
That thing looks like it would turn on a dime and give you eight cents in change. :)

It also looks like a accident waiting to happen.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Don K on August 04, 2009, 12:05:19 AM
Excellent piece of equipment for clearing really dense stands of young pines. The first thinning on my dads place was done with a bell three wheeler with a shear head. he could get in some tight spots and didn't tear up a lot of stuff. Frasseling skidder was bigger than he was. They are not real common. Don't seem to work good in the hills (like a Z-turn mower on a sideslope) and a back weight disadvantage for larger trees.

Don
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on August 04, 2009, 05:17:14 PM
A 3 wheeled Bell feller buncher was used to salvage the many acres of burned over jack pine after the Mack Lake Fire of May 1980 on the Mio District of the Huron National Forest. It did a good job on the flat burned over areas, but I haven't seen one at work since.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Meadows Miller on August 04, 2009, 10:20:23 PM
Quote from: Weekend_Sawyer on August 03, 2009, 09:06:34 PM

Saw this harvester sitting out by the road in Southern Maryland along 301. No one was around so I didn't get any information. It says BELL on it. looks like a fun ride.



(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10233/270/Bell_Harvester2.JPG)

Here's a front view. Looks like George Lucas would like one for his movies  :)



(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10233/270/Bell_Harvester.JPG)

Gday This is a great thred its taken me nearly 12 months to read it  Its a BELL Super T fellerbuncher  ;)Have have been built in africa since the mid 60s and where built in NZ also and under licence buy Morbark in the US untill the mid 90s you can still get new ones from Bell in Africa they where pretty popular here  they come in the Super T ,120 and 220 teli loggers like in the second clip  ;) they are  Easy to drive and a 1000lb counterweight helps on the rear  ;)

Il add some pics of my own and dads from the 80s when i cget them scaned  ;)

Chris
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on August 14, 2009, 08:18:21 PM
Manufacture of Forest Products is active in Craigsville, W VA, 6/09



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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on August 20, 2009, 12:42:35 PM
Colunbia Veneer Mill Log Yard. A result of all the logging truck traffic makes for a full log yard. Craigsville, W VA, 6/09.



(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/columbia_log_yard.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on August 20, 2009, 04:50:05 PM
Ron, I'll have to drive up to the Columbia yard in Presque Isle, Maine and see what's up. I was just up by there last weekend to, but not over in the Industrial Park. We could see it from the Route 1A coming down from Caribou, actually I could pick out the airport. The folks and I came over from Perth, NB to shop and went back over the line at Bridgewater by my place (below the wind mills).
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: semologger on August 27, 2009, 09:59:18 AM
That pine wood that bell is cutting is what i like. You guys can have all the oak trees. I would like to have that saw head on my hydroax seen inthe first video. Mine just having the shear makes it a bit slower putting the wood down. But then again the Skidder still cant keep up with me now. Also i hated shelling out the money to replace those Teeth on the saws.  Ive only had to buy 2 blades for my cutter in 10 years.

The bell in weekends post has a chainsaw bar that comes out and cuts the tree once you have gotton ahold of it. You cant carry the trees around with that one like in the video. You still directional fall the trees then pull them around.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Chico on August 27, 2009, 05:14:33 PM
The only thing I dislike about a shear is fiber damage esp  when they get misaligned I've seen it so bad that 2-4 ft deductions were made on logs
Chico
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on August 27, 2009, 05:29:51 PM
They probably stopped using shears here 20 years ago. There was a lot of prototyping here in the 80's and many things came and went. Most everything now has a chain on the felling head, sometimes a slasher on the yard. Not a whole lot of delimbers, leaves huge piles of brush on roadside that takes away forest acreage until it is rotted away. They don't burn slash here anymore. I see them some on woodlots and sure is an eye sore to see all that roadside slash or worst strung in rows or piles in the landowner's field.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: semologger on August 27, 2009, 09:28:08 PM
Ya the fiber damage is the only thing i hate about my shear. The places we sell to have cut off lines so they but the ends off Around 5 inches or so. I am in the process of setting in a post yard for the type of pine trees seen in the video. Will be useing a buck saw to cut to length. I Will be butting off the ends of the the trees at the mill before i make post out of them. I hate having The extra mess but its wood and money for me. 

As far as the  delimbers go we use ours and spread the slash out in the rows left behind after cutting and skidding. I dont like to see a pile of slash no taller than 2 foot or the landowner cant get over in a 4 wheeler. My skidder driver dont like it when i come back through and see a pile left in a row thats to high for my standards and make him go find it and flatten it out.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on January 02, 2010, 03:59:44 PM
I have some pics from the last few years in the woods, thought I'd post them and bring this subject back up top 
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on January 02, 2010, 04:05:28 PM
Here's some of a loblolly thinning in central Georgia. My friend Jake moved down there from MN and bought a Ponsse Ergo processor. (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11286/667/georgia_loblolly_2.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on January 02, 2010, 04:10:37 PM
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11286/667/georgia_loblooly.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on January 02, 2010, 04:13:48 PM
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11286/667/Jake_and_his_Ergo.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on January 02, 2010, 04:14:37 PM
I think Loblolly kind off smells like lemon.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on January 02, 2010, 04:17:24 PM
Now, here's some from Northern MN where I've been hauling the last couple of winters(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11286/667/jarden.JPG) This is the Jarden woodyard in Cloquet, my truck being unloaded.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on January 02, 2010, 04:20:58 PM
This is my oldest daughter, Kiara, and Ron, one of the loggers I hauled for. About 8 months after this Ron was ran over by this skidder and severely injured, was within an inch of his life. But he pulled through and is back out in the woods again. (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11286/667/Kiara_and_Ron.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on January 02, 2010, 04:23:39 PM
This is a TJ 1270 working a black spruce clear cut(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11286/667/timberjack_1270_in_MN_black_spruce.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on January 02, 2010, 04:24:55 PM
I'll get a few more up later
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on January 02, 2010, 05:45:59 PM
Nice photos! Can you tell us more about Ron's accident with his skidder?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on January 02, 2010, 07:03:55 PM
A rock or something had scraped off an inspection cover underneath the machine. Later, a stick made its way through the hole and jammed up a linkage. Ron got out, WITHOUT shutting down the machine, and tried to remove the stick. When he pulled on it, it pulled the machine into gear and it went right over the top of him. Now Ron and his partner, also named Ron, have a time limit of I believe 10 minutes. If you haven't returned to the landing within 10 minutes the other guy comes looking for you. So, Ron went to find Ron and found him laying in a hole and the skidder up against a tree. He was able to call 911, let me tell you they were in the middle of nowhere too. They ended up airlifting him to Duluth, when they were putting him in the chopper he was still responsive but couldn't see because his blood pressure was so low. Partner Ron figured that was the last time he would see him alive. But they got him to the hospital and he made it through that first night, I think they put around 16 pints of blood in him before they finally got the bleeding stopped. His liver had been ruptured, broken pelvis, tore up his colon, in short he was in real bad shape. But by the grace of God Ron made a quick recovery, from being in a cast for his pelvis where he couldn't even get up, to a wheelchair, to a walker, and finally a cane. If I remember right, the accident happened the end of September 08, he was back in the woods (with cane) running his feller/buncher and slasher mid Feb 09, so like 4 1/2 months later. Pretty amazing recovery, considering he had to relearn how to walk and the extent of his injuries. Good lesson to everybody about being in a rush, Ron knew better, he was finishing up a job and looking at getting ready to move equipment etc. I really didn't think he would make it through that first night, I know my family and a lot of others spent a lot of time praying for Ron, just that he would live- we weren't even thinking about walking or working again at that point. The Docs said that if he would of had one thing against his health, smoking for instance, he wouldn't have made it. It was that close. Everytime one of us that know Ron go to do something risky, this incident pops into our heads and we step back and THINK. Sorry this has gotten so long, the moral of my story is be safe, there is nothing so pressing that it means chancing not going home to your family at night.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on January 02, 2010, 09:18:30 PM
This ASV has a grapple that was taken off an old pulp loader attached. This set-up was used on the landing to sort and stack.(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11286/667/ASV_with_grapple.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on January 02, 2010, 09:25:09 PM
This is a common view for a wood hauler in Minnesota that Gary C will recognize- sitting in line at Sappi Fine Paper in Cloquet, MN. These trucks are being unloaded into the woodroom, which basically eats the wood as fast as the Liebherr crane can throw it in. It takes a good crane operator about 3 minutes to unload a rail trailer, probably 4 with a bunk trailer.   (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11286/667/sappi_woodroom_3.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on January 02, 2010, 09:36:02 PM
This is Sappi's Scanlon woodyard, I don't remember how much wood they pile up there in the winter, seems like it was around 10,000 cords, in addition to the Cloquet woodyard, which is probably around the same capacity. The sequence for getting unloaded with the centermount loader is 1. Run the loader straight up in the air, as you see in the pic. 2.When the loader finishes the front half of the trailer, you get out of the truck, reach up for the pedal on the loader that controls your swing and spin the loader around to the back so the crane operator can reach all of the wood. This is because all of your hydraulics etc stick out the back of the operator platform. So you have to spin it around so the crane doesn't risk hitting all of that with their grapple. 3. Say "thank you" on the radio, pull up to the sweepdown area, set the loader down, sweep the trailer off, get in and scale out.   (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11286/667/scanlon_woodyard.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on January 02, 2010, 09:40:32 PM
 A bucket of wood soaring into the Sappi woodroom. That is about 1 cord of wood in the bucket. Thats all of my pics for tonight, I'll see if I can find more or try to take more of the CTL operation I'm hauling for now.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Bobus2003 on January 03, 2010, 03:15:43 AM
440 John Deere Cable Skidder Working in Ponderosa Pine & Tending Slash Piles
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/20739/2610/006.JPG)

Link Belt 1600 Excavator, Fitted With PATU 410 Processor (Stroke) Working in Ponderosa Pine
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/20739/2610/005.JPG)

Peterbilt Log Truck Loaded with Ponderosa Pine, Black Hills So. Dak.
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/20739/2610/Shafers_Truck.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on January 03, 2010, 09:08:04 AM
I was going to ask if that was in the hills, nice pics. I work with a fella that logged out there for quite a few years- his name is Wally Houtari.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Gary_C on January 03, 2010, 09:47:49 AM
Quote from: barbender on January 02, 2010, 09:25:09 PM
This is a common view for a wood hauler in Minnesota that Gary C will recognize- sitting in line at Sappi Fine Paper in Cloquet, MN. These trucks are being unloaded into the woodroom, which basically eats the wood as fast as the Liebherr crane can throw it in. It takes a good crane operator about 3 minutes to unload a rail trailer, probably 4 with a bunk trailer. 

Nice pictures. That scene is not so familiar any more as Sappi has been so stingy with their quota.

But don't you have it backwards? You should be down in Georgia in the winter, not here in the Frozen North. Especially since it's 30 some below zero this morning.  :o
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: stonebroke on January 03, 2010, 10:14:47 AM
Quote from: Bobus2003 on January 03, 2010, 03:15:43 AM
440 John Deere Cable Skidder Working in Ponderosa Pine & Tending Slash Piles
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/20739/2610/006.JPG)

Link Belt 1600 Excavator, Fitted With PATU 410 Processor (Stroke) Working in Ponderosa Pine
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/20739/2610/005.JPG)

Peterbilt Log Truck Loaded with Ponderosa Pine, Black Hills So. Dak.
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/20739/2610/Shafers_Truck.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: stonebroke on January 03, 2010, 10:17:24 AM
I didn't know the Black Hills grew such nice timber.

Stonebroke
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on January 03, 2010, 10:57:42 AM
There is some real nice timber in the black hills, from what I have seen out there. Beautiful country, it has a character all its own. Gary, I'm thinking you have it right , what am I doing up here when it's -30 :o. I just talked to Jake, he said it is cold there too. Only 30°, I reminded him that is 60° warmer than here. :) They have their own struggles down there though, it's been so wet they can't get any wood out.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Bobus2003 on January 03, 2010, 05:34:41 PM
The Hills have there areas of Really nice wood.. I'm working a 160 Acre tract that hasn't been touched in over 70 years.. and I'm pulling some really dandy wood.. Plus right now the USFS is Pushing alot of sales too try and get ahead of the Pine Beetle outbreak so tracts that wern't too be done for another 5-10 years are getting done now
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on January 03, 2010, 07:48:52 PM
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11286/667/burt_s_08_trucking_pictures_with_a_few_of_baby_005.jpg) NewPage in Duluth, MN. You can see the bridge that crosses from MN into WI in the background.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 240b on January 05, 2010, 04:41:27 PM
This the best thread on here. Thanks all
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on January 05, 2010, 08:25:09 PM
Thank you. We appreciate your interest and contributions to the thread. ;)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 240b on January 05, 2010, 09:03:26 PM
how do you guys get that frozen pulp to stay on those rail trailers?  DOT would just freak out if they saw that here.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on January 05, 2010, 09:34:55 PM
They have a piece of square stock about 1/2" by 1/2" welded on top of the main frame rail that kind of bites into the wood, it's actually more secure on top of a rail trailer than a flatbed, because the wood is only touching those two points whereas it can kind of slide across a flatbed. Of course, the crib trailers probably hold the load the most securely, but it ends up being a taller load. You can defineately feel the difference. The other nice thing about a rail trailer is if you start to flip over, the load will just fall off instead of flipping the truck. Or so I've heard  :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Gary_C on January 05, 2010, 09:41:45 PM
Quote from: 240b on January 05, 2010, 09:03:26 PM
how do you guys get that frozen pulp to stay on those rail trailers?  DOT would just freak out if they saw that here.

Well, the MNDOT doesn't think they do, and they have ONE picture to prove it. And they trot that same one picture out every chance they get to harass all pulp haulers.

They did make two changes in the new tiedown regulations for crossways haulers (rail trailers) a couple of years ago. One is you have a center hold down for your straps to go over and the other is that you have to uniformly crown the top of each section so the strap touches every log on the top of the load. No more going down the road with a long rail trailer with the straps flapping in the breeze in the center of the load.

That crown on the top is also for multi bunk trailers unless you have front and back barriers to prevent escape of any log. If you do have end gates and the bunks are close together, you do not need tie downs. If you don't have front and back endgates and your loads are being stick scaled, you are destined to be in conflict between your stick scaler who can't measure any higher than the outside log and the DOT that says you have to crown the load and give away the crown to the mill.  ;D

Actually I think there has been a change to more bunk trailers and less rail trailers. With a crib trailer you can throw the logs in and go. No more throwing straps.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 240b on January 05, 2010, 09:52:15 PM
back when we had 4' wood there was always a few sticks by every big frost heave.  everything is long now. 12' to 48' don't miss 4' wood
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: timberjack240 on January 06, 2010, 12:04:09 AM
i remember my pap tellinme that they cut 5' peices and loaded it by hand . started w a bow saw till he go the money for a chainsaw lcs 26 homelite . there one still inteh basement actually .
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: rick f on January 06, 2010, 08:04:08 PM
Here's what I use 1250 jd with an elkem winch.    40 hp tractor  one picture of the woods road

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/18632/2622/DSC_0137.JPG)

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/18632/2622/DSC_0132.JPG)

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/18632/2622/DSC_0133.JPG)

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/18632/2622/DSC_0141.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: bill m on January 06, 2010, 08:26:30 PM
This is my equipment. I also have a home made farmi style winch but don't have pictures at this time

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/20547/007.JPG)

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/20547/DSC00364.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on January 06, 2010, 09:27:03 PM
Gary- the trucks I'm running now are both pulling crib trailers with the end barriers, it is nice not having to chain down.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on January 06, 2010, 09:41:45 PM
This is at Savanna Pallets in McGregor, Mn. One of their yard trucks is unloading me. (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11286/667/savanna.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on January 06, 2010, 09:46:52 PM
 This is out at the landing on a northern hardwoods harvest- red oak, soft maple, white birch, aspen, and a little basswood. The John Deere forwarder is loading the truck with birch pallet bolts. (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11286/667/landing_2.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on January 06, 2010, 09:48:24 PM
Gary, do you ever bring any wood up to savanna?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: timberfaller390 on January 06, 2010, 10:33:22 PM
Here a couple of links to some skidder safety videos. They are kinda old but thought ya'll might enjoy them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEleTqx1gSc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFc4qYgbhhw&feature=channel
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: dail_h on January 08, 2010, 09:49:36 PM
   Hey Tom,
   Boy,wouldn't some of those old shortwood guys with Homelite 55s n bow blades,and a coupla bigsticks like ta get in those rows of loblollys in Barbender's first coupla pics??? Ooooopps,I'll show my age if I ain't kerful
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on January 17, 2010, 04:23:25 PM
The Amish Cutters are on the job. Schirmer hardwood sale; 1/10

Their transportation to the sale area is parked for the day.



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The horse is taken care of and fed during the work day for the trip home.



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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: stonebroke on January 17, 2010, 05:47:08 PM
Do the Amish skid with horses?

Stonebroke
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: hollywoodmfg on January 17, 2010, 05:53:51 PM
Two amish guys skidd with horses in this area but most have skidders
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on January 17, 2010, 05:59:51 PM
No, not on this job. They just come to the job in their horse drawn buggy. They have contracted the forwarding with a couple loggers that I referred them to. They are also now carching rides to the job with one of the loggers who picks them up at their mill each morning. Some of the hills on the access road and more snow has been making it a little difficult for their horse and buggy travel.

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Samuel on January 17, 2010, 06:02:17 PM
Is that allowed?  Or they just can't own a motorized vehicle?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on January 17, 2010, 06:41:59 PM
I don't know for sure, but they are good at catching rides with others. ;)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: timberjack240 on January 18, 2010, 11:32:40 PM
amish can ride in a vehicle jsut not on sundays. they can run equipment to. the very strtict ones wont jsut jump on the boss has to say u "have to ;) " run that but the ones i work around jsut do what has to be done. acutally an amish bought my dads 440 C but the guy that worked for them " bought " it . he told us that he was jsut helpin this kid buy the skidder and my dad looked at him and said i dont care whos buyin it as long as the moneys in my hand  . theres acutally ppl around here that make a living haulin the amish around . the mill i used to cut for has a big computerized sawmill and an ol amish guy ran the headsaw. theyre not as stupid as you might think
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: forest.c on January 19, 2010, 01:57:12 AM
the amish here use some power equipment and they never refuse a ride.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on January 19, 2010, 07:32:31 PM
Tree Farmer Forwarder C5D. Forwarding oak sawlogs, pulpwood, and firewood for the Amish cutters. Schirmer hardwood sale, 1/10.



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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: huskyxp on January 19, 2010, 08:39:14 PM
nice porter,i owned one like it sweet!! single bunk,barko 40 loader,deutz,23.1/26 tires,very tough reliable machine 8)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: footer on January 20, 2010, 01:37:54 PM
Does any one still use mechanical shears? I found a Barko 775a for sale pretty cheap with a shear on it. I talked to the service rep at Barko and he said they are pretty much obsolete, because of the damage they do to the log. How far up the trunk is ruined by one of these sheers?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: chevytaHOE5674 on January 20, 2010, 06:44:38 PM
The amount of damage from a sheer head depends on species, season, temperature, site, yada yada. But I've seen splitting up to 9-10 feet. Remember generally your best log is the butt log, and an inch at the bottom is worth a foot at the top.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on January 21, 2010, 11:19:16 AM
Haven't seen any used here for the past 10+ years.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: stonebroke on January 21, 2010, 03:46:56 PM
Wouldn't that be a plus for firewood trees?

Stonebroke
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on January 29, 2010, 05:07:41 PM
It could be if firewood was all that you were producing, but you would not want to devalue your higher valued wood products of grade logs, pulpwood, etc. by damaging or splitting the wood.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on January 29, 2010, 05:14:31 PM
Bucking Oak Sawlogs. This young sawyer bucks oak sawlogs which will be forwarded by his father with the Iron Mule. Schirmer hardwood sale, 1/10.



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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: treefarmer87 on February 05, 2010, 11:12:30 PM
i cut with a jonsered 2171 mostly poplar sawlogs, skid with the tractor(soon to be replaced with a c5 treefarmer) and load with my 110 prentice
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: graves logging on February 08, 2010, 11:29:36 AM
i worked for a company for 18 years we used new 860 tigercats tracked machines.and rotine 8 wheel drive porters.good set up.we cut alot of wood.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on February 16, 2010, 11:23:48 AM
More Wood Hauler Names noted on the road:

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Bobus2003 on May 27, 2010, 12:53:19 AM
Hahn Harvester:

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: arbo71 on May 27, 2010, 05:52:57 AM
How does that work ? Never seen anything like that before.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Bobus2003 on May 28, 2010, 02:05:27 PM
Its a whole tree wood processing unit, Has a 5th wheel Pin so it can be towed to the job with a Semi, once there its can move its self around the job... There are a few differnt versions of the above machine:

http://www.hahnmachinery.com/htl300.html

And a Short Wood Version:
http://www.hahnmachinery.com/hsw110C.html
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on June 20, 2010, 09:02:26 PM
4510 Iron Mule Forwarder, unloading oak sawlogs, pulpwood, and firewood on the landing. Schirmer hardwood sale 1/10.



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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on June 24, 2010, 12:45:45 PM
Woodhauler. Trucking hardwood sawlogs at the end of a winter's day
over 1 1/2 miles of snow covered wood's access road. Schirmer hardwood sale, 1/10.



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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on June 27, 2010, 07:59:21 AM
I think a lot of folks would mess themselves if they got to ride in a woodhauler on some of our woods roads around here. Even a lot of OTR drivers. "You're driving a truck in THERE?!?" They tend to get a little hairy with the icy hills, corners, and tight spots. It's what makes hauling wood interesting though, it gets a little boring cruising down the highway.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on June 27, 2010, 06:00:17 PM
The day before, this woodhauler went off the road on the icy curve just beyond where  the picture was taken. The driver just missed a large black cherry tree and it was lucky that he only ended up on flat ground in a a red pine plantation of small trees. He was stuck pretty good though and had to call out the skidders for some help. More lost time on the last load at the end of the day.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Bobus2003 on June 27, 2010, 08:51:52 PM
How about an oops like this?
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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on June 28, 2010, 06:10:32 PM
That's not good. ;) Tell us the story.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Bobus2003 on June 28, 2010, 11:43:54 PM
I wish I knew what happened, Cause ya don't see that everyday. I'm just glad it wasn't my equipment or sale
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Samuel on July 03, 2010, 04:40:46 PM
Apparently the block layout/planning crew needs to be spoken to...
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Jamie_C on July 03, 2010, 05:13:00 PM
Quote from: Bobus2003 on June 27, 2010, 08:51:52 PM
How about an oops like this?
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It was an accident somewhat similar to this that outlawed leaving open holes from digging for gravel along woods roads here. A Feller Buncher ended up submerged on it's roof after going across an unmarked open pit hole in the winter. If memory serves me right the operator actually drowned.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: twobears on July 03, 2010, 08:17:30 PM

  it looks like he found a creek.

delbert
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: graves logging on July 09, 2010, 08:20:23 PM
Quote from: Jamie_C on July 03, 2010, 05:13:00 PM
Quote from: Bobus2003 on June 27, 2010, 08:51:52 PM
How about an oops like this?
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It was an accident somewhat similar to this that outlawed leaving open holes from digging for gravel along woods roads here. A Feller Buncher ended up submerged on it's roof after going across an unmarked open pit hole in the winter. If memory serves me right the operator actually drowned.
i have a pic of that somewhere.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on July 09, 2010, 09:45:25 PM
Maybe Gary C was driving it  :)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: deutz4 on July 10, 2010, 01:09:24 AM
HahnHarvesters have been around here for at least 30 years. They usually had 2 operators, 1 for delimbing & 1 for either cutting or shearing. "Piece of advice" I've never seen anyone upgrade after owning one of these. It's kind of like the Ponsse curse. It will either make you rich or destroy you within 2 yrs.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Gary_C on July 10, 2010, 01:22:03 AM
Quote from: barbender on July 09, 2010, 09:45:25 PM
Maybe Gary C was driving it  :)

Naw, if it was me, I'd have got all the wheels under water. No sense in going in part way.

Something like this:



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Quote from: deutz4 on July 10, 2010, 01:09:24 AM
It's kind of like the Ponsse curse. It will either make you rich or destroy you within 2 yrs.

What's this all about?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: OneWithWood on July 15, 2010, 11:34:53 AM
Nice parking job, Gary!

Makes it easy to get in and out of  :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Bobus2003 on July 15, 2010, 10:42:04 PM
Holy crap.. I think ya may have found some thin ice
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on August 04, 2010, 01:17:48 PM
John Deere 440B Cable Skidder. This small skidder is used to pull tree lengths from steep hill sides and wet areas not accessable by the iron mule forwarder in the short wood harvest operation. Schirmer hardwood sale, 3/10.


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Gary_C on August 04, 2010, 02:42:37 PM
Ow Ron, that was a shock. I wasn't ready for that picture with the white stuff in August and I'll probably see to much of that this winter as I have a lot of jobs to finish by spring.

Don't even want to think about it now.  :) :)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on August 04, 2010, 02:56:07 PM
With the heat and high humidity here lately, the "white stuff" looks good. At least for the wood's work.  ;)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Corley5 on August 04, 2010, 07:55:29 PM
Bring on the frosty mornings :) :)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: sawguy21 on August 05, 2010, 11:26:33 PM
You can have my share.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on August 22, 2010, 02:06:27 PM
New Product. A local Amish sawmill is now cutting red pine into these cants which are sold to a buyer to be cut into fencing slats.



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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on September 09, 2010, 03:55:50 PM
Cedar Stumps. The Amish are very good in wood utilization. These cedar stumps will be used for table basis in there table making shop at their sawmill.



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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Norm on September 10, 2010, 07:50:59 AM
Those are cool Ron, do you know how they get them so clean? Pressure washer maybe?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on September 10, 2010, 10:53:28 AM
Yes, they pressure wash them.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on September 19, 2010, 10:09:25 PM
The Pettibone 501 Master Mountain Goat Speed Skidder, what a name, eh? Picked it up last winter.

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on October 20, 2010, 08:32:36 PM
Western Star Wood Hauler. Loading out pulpwood on the single lead only. The "pup trailer" is not being used due the long, sandy, and hilly seasonal access road. Schirmer hardwood sale, 10/10.



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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on October 21, 2010, 07:53:29 PM
1270D Timberjack Harvester. Harvesting Red Pine in the Manistee National Forest, 9/10



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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Gary_C on October 21, 2010, 08:25:16 PM
That looks like a nice job compared to the ones I get here in MN. This is what I get.


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How was your job set up? Row thin, logger select to some DBH, or marked sale? Got any more?  :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on October 21, 2010, 08:41:59 PM
Row thinned every 3rd row and selectively marked in between rows to 90-120 sq. ft basal area. This stand was in a real need of thinning. Yes, the Huron-Manistee NF's have a lot of red pine stands like this in need of their first and second thinnings. The Superior and Chippewa NF's in your area should have similar stands. Many are from the successful reforestation efforts of the CCC's. 
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on October 22, 2010, 01:30:03 PM
1010D John Deere Forwarder. The 1010D forwarder supports the 1270D Timberjack processor. Manistee NF red pine harvest, 9/10.



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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Norm on October 23, 2010, 06:52:55 AM
Thank you for the pictures Ron.  :)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: LOGDOG on October 23, 2010, 09:33:52 AM
Talk about some beautiful pine forests.  :)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: northwoods1 on October 24, 2010, 07:12:12 AM
That pile of wood in the last pic has got to be the smallest diameter pile of pine I have ever seen, is that pulp? Looks like its all 3" dia/ or less :o can't kick about utilization of that job, looks like it really did need thinning normal 1st thinning is every other row but that stand couldn't have taken it.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on October 24, 2010, 10:43:43 AM
Yes, we try for maximum utilization depending upon markets. The small topwood will go for pulpwood or sold to the Amish for fence posts and specialty products. I suspect that is where their market is for these wood decks.

The stand was in dier need of thinning and the USFS finally got to it. We usually don't do every every other row here, usually every 3rd row with selection removal between rows. Sometimes we will do two rows and leave too rows. We are concerned about preventing wind throw, retaining moisture content within the stand, moving the stand towards quality poles in the second thinning, etc.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: northwoods1 on October 24, 2010, 12:46:54 PM
That is great if they are able to utilize that small stuff for posts i've never heard of that. All the first thinnings I have ever done in my area have been every other row, 2nd thinnings approx. every other tree all geared toward producing poles. The plantations around here are a lot more mature on the average most were planted by the ccc's and there is a lot of it. The picture  I show of the standing wood is just down the road from my house a couple miles I thinned it about 10 years ago and it was 3rd thinning there was some very nice poles. Back in the early 90s' a big mill opened up in northern wi for tree length wood and we thinned a lot of these stands for the 2nd time shipping it tree length. We lost a big chunk of it in a windstorm june of 2007 that is the other picture I show, just down the road from my home. The f-5 tornado went right through the middle of two very expansive areas of this mature pole timber with a path 1 mile wide+. After all the years of watching this be carefully nurtured and managed now I get to see the whole process start over, they haven't begun planting yet but most sites have been cleaned up and prepped for planting everything that was planted anyway.







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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on October 25, 2010, 06:59:29 PM
Back to the Hardwoods.

The 4510 Iron Mule Forwarder operator sorts and decks oak pulpwood/firewood and aspen pulpwood at the landing. Schirmer Hardwood Sale, 10/10


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: mad murdock on October 25, 2010, 07:07:42 PM
Nice looking 'Mule Ron,  my brother and I bought a model 4501 (smaller version) from Ison Equip, in Monico Wisc, back in the day, ( I think it was 1982?) we paid about $45K for it back then.  The nice thing about the 'mule, is that they were so easy on fuel, ours had the 3 cyl. Perkins, and they could snake around real well for a forwarder.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: LOGDOG on October 25, 2010, 10:48:23 PM
Mad Murdock ...how'd you end up out West. I grew up about 25 miles from Monico, WI and knew the Ison family. I ran a Iron Mule 5510 I guess it was back in the day ...and a Tree Farmer, and a Franklin... Great place to log. Loved logging in the winter up there.

Northwoods1 .... that picture you posted of the tornado damage, is that by chance up on Hwy 64 between Hwy 55 and Hwy 32? Just curious.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: mad murdock on October 26, 2010, 02:52:30 AM
Logdog, I ended up here via the Great Land (Alaska), after kicking around in the Alaskan Bush a few years(Kotzebue, Nome, Aniak, Bethel), my wife and I moved back to the big village (Fairbanks), where she greew up, and when she heard that I had been offered a job in the stataes, she said" why aren't we on our way yet?"!? So in 1997 we moved to Oregon, for the glory of aviation, and one thing after another, we find ourselves on a 40 acre tree farm in the Oregon Coast range, watching these awesome douglas fir grow to the sky, not to mention, it is a pretty good place to raise some young uns' in the ways of the wood.  My dad's family moved to Forest Co. from Eastern KY back around 1919, and my Grandad owned and operated as a General merchant, and they had a sawmill Near Nashville, on Co Rd. B.  A lot of the folks buried in the old Forest Home cemetary there are my relation.  I did most of my logging in Vilas Co. as we grew up near Eagle River.  My uncle had the sawmill in Eagle River for decades, until it burned down in the 50's, and the old woodland business there on Hwy 45 where the mill yard was, stayed in operation until it my cousin shut the doors on the place maybe 15 years ago.  My Dad had contracts with all of the big timber co's like LP, Thilmany, Champion Intl. Badger Paper, P&G, Mosinee Paper, Menasha Corp, Consolidated etc. etc.  As  kid I knew alot of the people in the timber industry in that region, and my brothers and I cut our teeth logging at an early age.  I guess my dad thought it was a good way to keep 6 boys busy in the summer, peeling popple, and cutting firewood in the late summer, to save on heating bills for the winter.(We used to go throught about a truckload of firewood a season), and we got the express priviledge of cutting, splitting, and stacking it all.  It was great character building time for us, we all stayed out of trouble, and at the urging of my dad, none of us stayed in the woods professionally, at least not for too long.  But once in the woods, it's hard to boil it out of yer blood, I have always kept a foot in the woods, one way or another, even though my day job involves fixing helicopters.  The Northwoods are a great place to be from, my problem is, I have to admit, after chasing the snow from Northern Wisc, and the UP, to Alaska, when we came down to Oregon, and figured out that we didn't have to spend 4 months shoveling it, rather we can watch it run off the front porch most of the time, we kind of got soft, and decided that it is nice to visit the snow, (only an hour away to get to it in the cascades), then when we are done, we can leave it behind, and go home.  How the heck did you get to Lousianna?  I did some work there for a few weeks out of Abbyville, and Pine Island, when we worked doing seismic support for oil exploration in that area several years back. It was neat visiting, but the swamp never grew on me too much.  There is some nice timber in that country though.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: northwoods1 on October 26, 2010, 07:03:35 AM
Quote from: LOGDOG on October 25, 2010, 10:48:23 PM
Mad Murdock ...how'd you end up out West. I grew up about 25 miles from Monico, WI and knew the Ison family. I ran a Iron Mule 5510 I guess it was back in the day ...and a Tree Farmer, and a Franklin... Great place to log. Loved logging in the winter up there.

Northwoods1 .... that picture you posted of the tornado damage, is that by chance up on Hwy 64 between Hwy 55 and Hwy 32? Just curious.

I haven't sat in an iron mule for a long time, but sure have skidded a lot of wood with them over the years, out of all the different makes I've run I liked the franklins best, hard to get by without the roof mount loader after you get used to having it :). Which direction were you from Monico? Yes that is where that picture of the storm damage was taken. This was about mile 20 of the 40 mile long continuous path.  Might be hard for some to make out what there looking at but just in that shot there are tens of thousands of chords of wood down you can see how one big pine area of r.pine plantation is laid down showing the rotation of the tornado. Just a couple miles off the photo to the right there was a large federal sale with a crew working way back off the road cutting the day the tornado went through. It was a 2man/machine mechanized processor crew and they were directly in the middle of the path as the storm went through. The processor operator  told me he was cutting and the wind picked up a little bit. Then it got a little windier, then he said all the windows in the machine fogged up almost instantly and the debris started flying he just put his head down between his knees and waited. It was over in less than a minute but imagine how weird it would be to be in a situation like that, way out in the middle of the woods 1 minute and then literally couple minutes later not be able to see a single tree standing for as far as you could see just all downed trees! Talk about timber harvest methods and equipment :D it was like a logging convention around here after that for a good long while. Just in that pic alone there had to be at least 12 different crew working for close to 2 years just cleaning up tipper over wood no standing trees. I worked for over 1 year on just an 80 acre area of Exc+ red oak and large white pine to the upper left in the photo.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: northwoods1 on October 26, 2010, 07:12:31 AM
Quote from: mad murdock on October 26, 2010, 02:52:30 AM
, my problem is, I have to admit, after chasing the snow from Northern Wisc, and the UP, to Alaska, when we came down to Oregon, and figured out that we didn't have to spend 4 months shoveling it, rather we can watch it run off the front porch most of the time, we kind of got soft, and decided that it is nice to visit the snow, (only an hour away to get to it in the cascades), then when we are done, we can leave it behind, and go home. 

You didn't get softer you got smarter :D  I just can't hardly take the cold anymore myself. I mean, if it's below zero I ain't going out and cutting wood! Unless its in from a heated cab! Oregon sure sound nice!
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: LOGDOG on October 26, 2010, 08:24:19 AM
MM & Northwoods1 ... A lot of what you described fits my life growing up right down to cutting and splitting the firewood for the winter. I know right where Cty B is in the town of Nashville. I grew up in Pearson which is about 8 miles Southeast. Do you remember a restaurant called "Hill's Still" ... about a mile up the road from there. My folks still live up that way. I don't get back much. I know what you mean about getting soft once you're out of the snow and the cold. It's a rare thing to see snow in our parts down in LA. What brought me here? ...My wife. She's from here. It looks like we have our property sold though so we're looking at our options. Actually looking hard at the NW. I'll be looking for some land to do a 1031 Exchange into so I don't get killed on taxes.

Yep, my Great Grandpa worked in the logging camps down on the Wolf River. He used to have a cabin on the river down by Cty A near what was Michelor's Bar if that rings a bell. I heard the property that the cabin was on recently sold and was disappointed that none of my family had told me about it or done anything to try and buy it. I think I probably would have bought it just for nostalgia if nothing else. It's a great spot on the Wolf River too. Did a lot of trout fishing there over the years.

NW ... I'm with you, those Franklins are Cadillacs with the roof mount loaders. The one I ran was brand spanking new. You know, in the event of a bad storm, sitting in a processor probably isn't a bad place to be... as solid as they're built with thick plexiglass and steel around you. What a show that would be to watch huh? I heard it was ugly though. Lot of big deer up those woods on Hwy 64.  ;D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: northwoods1 on October 26, 2010, 09:40:06 AM
Quote from: LOGDOG on October 26, 2010, 08:24:19 AM
MM & Northwoods1 ... A lot of what you described fits my life growing up right down to cutting and splitting the firewood for the winter. I know right where Cty B is in the town of Nashville. I grew up in Pearson which is about 8 miles Southeast. Do you remember a restaurant called "Hill's Still" ... about a mile up the road from there.

Yep, my Great Grandpa worked in the logging camps down on the Wolf River. He used to have a cabin on the river down by Cty A near what was Michelor's Bar if that rings a bell. I heard the property that the cabin was on recently sold and was disappointed that none of my family had told me about it or done anything to try and buy it. I think I probably would have bought it just for nostalgia if nothing else. It's a great spot on the Wolf River too. Did a lot of trout fishing there over the years.


My family/grandfather worked the camps around here also. They floated a lot of timber down that river I have a collection of vintage photos of that era very neat stuff, the wolf was a very fast river I've got one pic of a big jam down by the Dalles. Pics of the drivers taking bateaus through the dales pretty hairy water! Was up canoeing up near where you mentioned just a couple weeks ago. Put in by Lily. We had a lot of rain last few weeks so river was high(real high for this time of year!). Took my girlfriend who I hadn't canoed with before and was hesitant, but I thought she could handle the water it can get pretty fast in places, what a beautiful trip it was :) ... I live just East of Langlade and I also have a small farm a little further east on the South Branch of the Oconto, very good trout fishing there only 1 fish over 20" and the browns can run a fair amount larger than that!
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on October 26, 2010, 10:13:07 AM
Hey, this thread is supposed to be timber harvest methods and equipment, not a cheesehead reunion :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: mad murdock on October 26, 2010, 10:53:18 AM
Well Barbender, bringing it back on topic, I know what you all mean about them Franklins, After we ran the tires off that Iron Mule, My brother got tired of fixing the planetaries (It was from constant overloading the machine) on the 4501, he traded up to a 132 pack a back, with the roof mounted hawk loader.  That was a sweet skidding machine!  Nice cab, tons of power, and a truck loader on top of the cab, a little over 3 skidder loads and you had a truckload out.  Production went from an honest 18-20 cord a day to every day a 30 cord day, and more if you were in good wood.  We had a JD 450C w/ a Morbark shearhead on it, you could lay down usually 4 truckloads of wood a day with that machine as well.  That was about as mechanized as we got.  We could've gotten bigger, but eventually we all went the way of the 4 winds, and the rest as they say is "history".  There sure are some nice machines out there now for woods work, I just wonder how a guy can afford them with wood prices the way they are.  Makes the old iron worth alot more today in my book, you don't have to spend your whole day working for the bank.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on October 26, 2010, 11:33:07 AM
I'm just ribbing you guys, I enjoy hearing about your experiences in the north woods.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: mad murdock on October 26, 2010, 12:19:37 PM
i figured as much B B :D  Did have some good times "growing up under a tree", as my wife tells my kids, "your dad was born under a tree"! "and raised by his'self".  As far as timber harvest methods go though, I do like the way they do things in this country, cutting longer lengths, and hauling them that way to the mill.  Makes for better production at the end of the day for sure.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: LOGDOG on October 26, 2010, 10:13:42 PM
Northwoods ... I'd love to see those river pics with them floating the logs down the river if you ever get the chance to scan them. Sometimes I think I was born in the wrong era. Then again, those guys were tough scrappers and I probably couldn't have cut it.
I've caught many a trout out of the Wolf River. Never fished the Oconto, although I've heard it's good.

You guys feel free to stay in touch via PM that way we're not hijacking the thread.  ;D

MM ...did that 450C you ran the shear head on have a front end loader that allowed you to get some lift on it and tilt the sheer head? I remember we used to run a shear head on a Case 1150 with the front end loader. Used the grapple skidder to forward it up to the slasher if we were in pine.

I don't know how they get the numbers to work on the new machines either. Volume is the ticket I guess. So long as you have the contracts and the wood to fill them and can stay working the payments get made. Working in the woods taught me real quick that I needed to get book smart sooner than later and pursue something else for my primary income. That said, my heart's still in the woods. Always will be. 

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on October 27, 2010, 02:26:05 AM
Go ahead and hijack, I'm enjoying all this except that I've never got to fish trout over in Wisconsin so I'm getting a little jealous ::) Pics of large trout hooked on beautiful rivers are always welcome, too!
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: mad murdock on October 27, 2010, 02:32:45 AM
Quote from: LOGDOG on October 26, 2010, 10:13:42 PM


MM ...did that 450C you ran the shear head on have a front end loader that allowed you to get some lift on it and tilt the sheer head? I remember we used to run a shear head on a Case 1150 with the front end loader. Used the grapple skidder to forward it up to the slasher if we were in pine.

LogDog, that is what it was, had a 4 in 1 bucket that would interchange with the shear head.  It made a pretty stable snipper, though not near as fast as a rubber tire machine (Hydro-Ax), but it was pretty versitile, being able to have the use of the bucket now and again.   There was an old guy in Ashland way back in the day, who had an old WWII sherman tank modified with a shear head that he used in the woods for years.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on October 27, 2010, 09:02:14 PM
The 440B John Deere Cable Skidder is used to pull tree lengths off the steep slope areas to be cut into product lenghts for pick up by the Iron Mule forwarder. Schirmer Hardwood sale 10/10.



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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on October 27, 2010, 09:09:52 PM
That looks like a really well maintained 440. Nice machine.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on October 27, 2010, 09:34:03 PM
Yes, this operator takes excellent care of his equipment. He owns the Iron Mule also. He had two Iron mules, both in great shape, but sold one of them.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: treefarmer87 on October 27, 2010, 09:49:03 PM
i would like to have a 5510 iron mule
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: D Hagens on October 27, 2010, 09:51:14 PM
 85 pages and still going strong! I've been reading and following this thread and I find it very interesting and informative. I'm learning a lot about the machines that are used on a daily bases in the forestry industry.
I would like to say a big thanks to Ron and others for keeping this thread going and posting all the pics.   :) :)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Okrafarmer on October 28, 2010, 12:24:19 AM
I'm slowly working my way through this thread-- about 10 pages a night. Wow.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Bobus2003 on October 31, 2010, 01:46:56 PM
Timberline 3800 Boom Delimber w/leveling Cab Working Ponderosa Pine, Black Hills SD
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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: northwoods1 on November 01, 2010, 07:51:49 AM
Quote from: Okrafarmer on October 31, 2010, 01:45:19 PM
Quote from: sawguy21 on October 31, 2010, 01:26:10 PM
:o We wouldn't be allowed in the bush in those conditions.
That looks normal for Maine. The land heals itself. These are the conditions skidders are built for. If they didn't have to contend with these conditions, they would look a lot tamer.

How forestry equipment is designed and built and what conditions it can operate under, and managing/harvesting timber land in a sustainable manner are two different things. Just because a skidder can drive through wet ground up to the axles making ruts 2' deep with #20,000 of wood on its back is no excuse or justification for doing it. Acceptable damage standards on logging jobs varies everywhere.  Up here loggers have to operate under guidlines... BMPs, or best management practices in order to have contracts with many mills. Loggers are required to have training on the hows and whys of BMPs'. True enough the land heals itself but that is still not justification for damaging it unnecessarily. That is why we have people who are foresters who determine the best way to prevent damage to land/timber and promote things like management of timber, protecting watersheds, improving land for recreation or wildlife habitat. How they go about harvesting the swamps of the southern U.S. really can't be compared to how forests are managed in other parts of the country.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: northwoods1 on November 01, 2010, 07:54:26 AM
Quote from: treefarmer87 on October 31, 2010, 02:38:25 PM
heres the cutter

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What the ?????? , do you have any info on these pics like who, what where, when? I've never seen or heard anything about a machine like you showing and the pics look like there taken somewhere right up by me, I wonder what year?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: northwoods1 on November 01, 2010, 09:06:46 AM
Quote from: Okrafarmer on November 01, 2010, 08:27:28 AM
You're absolutely right. It's all about what's acceptable for the given circumstances. The free market means that if there is a demand for lighter impact  logging, it will be supplied by the loggers.

No not really that is not what I was saying. What constitutes sustainable forestry managment practices has nothing to do with the free market or what loggers or landowners want. If a landowner wants to ruin there land through unwise timber harvesting method, maybe to make a buck,  that does not make it acceptable or sustainable forestry. The entire challenge of sustainable forestry practices, the way I see it, is to figure out how to be able to incorporate them and still be able to make $$ in the free market not the other way around :)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: northwoods1 on November 01, 2010, 09:14:21 AM
Quote from: treefarmer87 on November 01, 2010, 08:58:34 AM
its in michigan in the 60s try this http://www.heavyequipmentforums.com/showthread.php?t=12720



I find that to be some very interesting equipment :) , this was such an innovative time up here in the forest products industry people were just beginning to figure out the potential of mechanization. My neighbor has sitting in his shed the very 1st Timbco ever made and that was right around the time Case was experimenting with a shear head on a tracked excavator. I really can't believe how far it has come since then, that 1st timbco spawned todays timber pro machines. I can remember when they first got that machine up and running and cutting on some of there large sales here, they really thought they were on to something  :o and they were!
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: northwoods1 on November 01, 2010, 10:19:24 AM
Quote from: thecfarm on November 01, 2010, 09:23:34 AM
I know of one guy that guy fined for cutting in a brook like that back in the 80's.I remember reading about it in the paper.Still see some butcher jobs around,or at least in my eyes.I've been told before that I'm to fussy with my woodlot.  ::) Most jobs are very well done.Even back in the 80's and 90's too.There are still are few around that will holler,"Well you got to get the wood out" A nice,neat job can be done without destroying the land the tress grow on.Just takes more time to do it.And of course time is money.

I saw a very sad situation this past summer. Long time friend of mine called me and said he was having 40 acres of timber land logged which was located up near Florence WI. He is an absentee landowner and lives 300 or so miles away. He got a forester from up in the U.P. to set up and administrate the job. He called me because he was concerned about the cords coming up short it had been estimated at 1300 cords total aspen. When I got out to the job I couldn't beleive what I saw. =To access the  timber the logger had tried to cross a black ash swamp by laying down timber mats for 150 yards, (totally unnecessary he could have went around this swamp if he would have walked the job and looked for the path of least resistance)  The mats were all floating there and they had things royally screwed up. The job should have been a winter only job and they came in and started april of the wettest year on record here. They had things so rutted up I have never seen anything like it before in all my years of logging. To top it off they had all the timber cut, the wettest area skidded and totally rutted, trails up hills with springs running out of the ground right down 2' deep ruts, and a small creek only 150 yards away the whole 40 acres wide running in to a large creek just off the propery line. All the soil was washing off the hills down in to the creek. And they ended up pulling out because it was too wet and leaving 70% of the wood to be skidded all of it cut.  I got on the phone with the forester and I found that he hadn't even been out to the job since marking the property lines even though he had told my friend he had been and was monitoring things. My friend had not received any money down, which the contract stated he would have, and that they would not haul anything from the job without it being payed for, which they had done. I simply told him things better be corrected and in a hurry. The contract had only a $1000 performance bond which wouldn't nearly cover repair of the damage they had done or how much they devalued the land. My friend is still working things out on that job. I take a lot of pride in doing a nice neat job. Staying out of the mud and not doing that kind of damage is a matter of sheduling jobs correctly for conditions.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on November 06, 2010, 02:35:45 PM
Ponsee Fox Harvester. Harvesting lowland timber species in a Michigan lowland area.The Ponsee Fox Harvester has a good lighting system for working in low light or night time operations. These machines are often worked 20 hours per day with only 4 hours down time for maintenance. Grayling. MI 11/10



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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on November 07, 2010, 03:09:08 AM
That's one of the few Ponsse Fox's in the states there Ron, isn't it? Ponsse just had one up here demoing it.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Corley5 on November 07, 2010, 09:18:43 AM
Ya gotta have lots of lights and run those Ponsee's 20 hours a day just to make the payments on them :-\
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on November 07, 2010, 09:59:56 AM
This actually was a Ponsee demonstration. Ponsee bought the lowland timber sale so as to have their own demonstration area and operator/service training for their machines. They were giving this demonstration at a Michigan SAF meeting.

The machine with tracks works very well in lowland areas. Yes, at a "1/2 million $ purchase price", they have to run constantly. There was a logger coming to look at it for possible purchase however. Ponsee's are starting to get popular here over some of the other historical brands.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Okrafarmer on November 07, 2010, 02:39:26 PM
Quote from: Corley5 on November 07, 2010, 09:18:43 AM
Ya gotta have lots of lights and run those Ponsee's 20 hours a day just to make the payments on them :-\

I think I'll pass for now, my mama warned me not to get caught up in any ponsee schemes.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on November 08, 2010, 07:25:47 PM
Ponsee Fox Harvester. Harvesting spruce pulpwood in a lowland area, Grayling, MI 11/10. It is powered by a quiet Mercedes Benz 4 cylinder engine.



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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: treefarmer87 on November 08, 2010, 07:29:17 PM
thats $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ high dollar
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Corley5 on November 08, 2010, 07:37:40 PM
Wonder how it'd perform/hold up in gnarly, knotty northern hardwood  ??? :-\ :)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: snowstorm on November 08, 2010, 07:45:31 PM
i have a 150 keto on a valmet. you be surprised at the hardwood it will limb. a 3"  limb dosent even slow it down...4" back up an hit it a couple times
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: treefarmer87 on November 08, 2010, 07:55:02 PM
do the processors break down much?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: snowstorm on November 08, 2010, 08:10:16 PM
its been pretty good. did buy a reman computer for it. 2500 bucks and it comes with a dent in the screen screws missing and the battery is flat. but it dose work fine for 2 months then throws code short cirkit-cable bk. call the dis. in quebec says he will look into it . that was in june....2 weeks ago i hear from him "the display is fine must be somethind else"..........anybody on here ever deal with quadco???
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: chevytaHOE5674 on November 08, 2010, 09:05:29 PM
Quote from: treefarmer87 on November 08, 2010, 07:55:02 PM
do the processors break down much?

I know many guys UP here break the feed wheels often trying to ram large hardwoods through to delimb them. Often times in the process they chew the logs up (which can knock them down in scale and grade) and where the limbs are sheared off it can cause fiber pull and such .
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Bobus2003 on November 08, 2010, 09:16:35 PM
Quote from: treefarmer87 on November 08, 2010, 07:55:02 PM
do the processors break down much?

My Patu 410 Has tendancy to Shake the Processor Board loose after 30-40hrs or limbing (Stroke) so it has a bit of abuse thrown at it..
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: snowstorm on November 09, 2010, 06:09:43 AM
keto dose not use feed wheels. it has tracks there are times they will slip. most of the time they dont. there are lots of vids of them on youtube
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on November 09, 2010, 08:29:42 AM
A well trained operator is certainly needed in these high priced technical machines.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on November 09, 2010, 08:04:16 PM
Do processors break down a lot? Yes, but it depends on the abuse they recieve. You can't take someone that is used to hammering through the woods in a skidder and just throw them in a CTL machine, they will destroy it in short order. But even with a good operator that doesn't abuse the machine, they are high maintainence machines.
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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: TW on November 11, 2010, 02:56:13 AM
I found some short film clips of some classic forwarders on Youtube.

Stornalle was considered a great forwarder back in the days. They still have a great reputation for being able to work in rocky terrain where everything else gets stuck.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqNd-SUhhZM&feature=related

Skogsboxer was a common logging tractor back then. They are still sought after in Sweden.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xp97W0QPvpI

Both were based on the strongly built Volvo BM 350 farm tractors. The motor was a three cylinder slow running thing giving about 60hp. They were manufactured in the 1960-ies.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: LOGDOG on November 11, 2010, 08:30:28 AM
I like the throaty sound those tractors have. Reminds me of my little John Deere 450C when he's under load. Pretty backdrop with all the snow too.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on November 13, 2010, 10:04:20 AM
The Ponsee Fox Harvester makes it turn on the lowland cutting strip. 11/10


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on November 21, 2010, 08:35:34 PM
Ponsee Fox Harvester, H6 Harvester Head



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A Ponsse Sales Rep points out the features of the Ponsse H6 harvester head.



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The Ponsse H6 Harvester Head has a cutting diameter of 25 inches.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: arbo71 on November 25, 2010, 10:21:58 AM
just a moment - I ll try again soon
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: treefarmer87 on November 25, 2010, 11:50:29 AM
that is a cool harvester
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Corley5 on November 25, 2010, 11:57:19 AM
Tree Farmers were manufactured by CanCar.  My C4D forwarder which is newer than an 1986 has CanCar on the ID plate.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: paul case on November 26, 2010, 09:15:03 PM
 i just finished reading all 87 pages of this great thread. heres a pic of my dads tractor we use to load logs.


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on November 29, 2010, 08:05:30 PM
It is often asked if the chains should be put on the front or the back tires. Here the chains are being put on the front tires of the 440B JD Cable skidder. Schirmer hardwood sale, 3/10.


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: treefarmer87 on November 29, 2010, 08:11:42 PM
nice skidder
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Bobus2003 on November 29, 2010, 08:31:37 PM
I do love those little 440's
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: isawlogs on November 29, 2010, 08:35:58 PM
 I like having the front chained up if only one set is available, why does he not have the sid ecovers on the engin , where they off to check a few things , I would never take to the bush with out them in place , there is just too much to go wrong with a limb going in there   :o :o  It sure don't take long for a limb to find the chain and climb into the pump  ::) :o :-X
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on November 29, 2010, 08:53:08 PM
He must have taken the side covers off while putting the chains on for some reason. This guy is very particular and careful with his equipment so he wouldn't run without them. ;)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Bobus2003 on November 29, 2010, 09:59:59 PM
My 440 Doesn't have factory Engine Covers.. I have a Home-made set, but they tend to make it over-heat.. Did the 440 have Engine covers from the factory? I have never seen one with them
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: isawlogs on November 29, 2010, 10:06:22 PM
 Bobus2003
    As far as I know they did.
  I saw that the machine was really clean and not abused from the pics, one reason for asking, for a machine that old it sure stands proud.  :)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: snowstorm on November 30, 2010, 06:22:31 AM
Quote from: Bobus2003 on November 29, 2010, 09:59:59 PM
My 440 Doesn't have factory Engine Covers.. I have a Home-made set, but they tend to make it over-heat.. Did the 440 have Engine covers from the factory? I have never seen one with them
if for some reason you have a pusher fan you must have the side covers with the holes in them.  some of the b's had pusher fans.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: grassfed on November 30, 2010, 06:46:49 AM
The owners manual lists side covers as an option.

My skidder did not have side covers when I got it but it had the hinges. I once had a limb break off the oil pressure sending unit. I saw what I thought was a black thread coming out of the engine and going up toward the sky.  A couple of seconds later I realized what it was and I shut down the skidder. I did not damage the engine but I had to spend the rest of the day  bagging black snow to clean up all of the oil. I lost about 3/4 of a gallon of oil in a few seconds. I now have side covers. 
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Bobus2003 on November 30, 2010, 07:43:41 AM
Quote from: snowstorm on November 30, 2010, 06:22:31 AM
Quote from: Bobus2003 on November 29, 2010, 09:59:59 PM
My 440 Doesn't have factory Engine Covers.. I have a Home-made set, but they tend to make it over-heat.. Did the 440 have Engine covers from the factory? I have never seen one with them
if for some reason you have a pusher fan you must have the side covers with the holes in them.  some of the b's had pusher fans.

I Actually have both, Pusher and Puller fans for my 440.. My dad used to change the fans for winter/summer use.. The side Covers i have have holes, but maybe just not enough holes or maybe they need to be bigger.. :-\
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on November 30, 2010, 11:03:39 AM
Other photos of this machine in the thread shows a black engine cover.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: mad murdock on November 30, 2010, 12:51:34 PM
I sure liked those fans that had the blades that you could adjust to suck or blow, depending on the season.  Just reach in, push down and twist the blades to whichever position you wanted.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on December 13, 2010, 02:31:28 PM
I like this thread to stay near the top, so I'll throw up a pic of my equipment on a little clearing job I did.

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Gary_C on December 13, 2010, 04:04:39 PM
That's a nice Minnesota winter picture. Too bad we all have to switch to our black and white cameras in the winter. It's the law you know.  :D :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: paul case on December 13, 2010, 07:19:41 PM
i like this thread also. it is neat to see all the logging equipment.
 

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this is my unloader at the mill. pc
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: paul case on December 13, 2010, 09:52:18 PM
here's how i get to where i m logging at.


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this picture was at the end of a day of logging black walnut at the silvey farm, seneca, mo.    pc
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on December 14, 2010, 03:31:36 PM
Quote from: Gary_C on December 13, 2010, 04:04:39 PM
That's a nice Minnesota winter picture. Too bad we all have to switch to our black and white cameras in the winter. It's the law you know.  :D :D
Gary, that's a color picture, it's just a black and white day :: :)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: treefarmer87 on December 14, 2010, 09:00:02 PM
i like your truck paul case :)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: paul case on December 14, 2010, 10:03:03 PM
it kinda reminds me of banjo pickers and his kinda reminds me of yours! ;D ;D   pc
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on December 23, 2010, 09:38:23 AM
Some more woodhauler truck names noted.

`Chip
`Steady Teddy
`Husky's Headache
`I Love My Money
`Hoodlum
`Road Runner
`The Ripper
`Money Pit
`Late For Dinner
`Big Ben
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: northwoods1 on December 23, 2010, 10:16:17 AM
Quote from: Ron Scott on December 23, 2010, 09:38:23 AM
Some more woodhauler truck names noted.

`Chip
`Steady Teddy
`Husky's Headache
`I Love My Money
`Hoodlum
`Road Runner
`The Ripper
`Money Pit
`Late For Dinner
`Big Ben

- dog & pup - a neighbors Mack
- the old warhorse -  another neighbors International
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Clark on December 23, 2010, 10:44:50 AM
Quote from: northwoods1 on December 23, 2010, 10:16:17 AM
Quote from: Ron Scott on December 23, 2010, 09:38:23 AM
Some more woodhauler truck names noted.

`Chip
`Steady Teddy
`Husky's Headache
`I Love My Money
`Hoodlum
`Road Runner
`The Ripper
`Money Pit
`Late For Dinner
`Big Ben

- dog & pup - a neighbors Mack
- the old warhorse -  another neighbors International


I recall seeing quite a few different names when I was a scaler at the mill.  The only one that I recall, and northwoods1 is probably familiar with, is "The Hairlip Duck", which naturally calls out "Mac, Mac" instead of "Quack, quack".

Clark
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: sawguy21 on December 23, 2010, 10:54:50 PM
I remember 'Old Snort' an International with a 6-53. Never any question who was coming down the hill above the house. Jim is retired now and kinda hard of hearing. :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on December 28, 2010, 04:32:28 PM
Amish Horse Logging. With the recent heavy snows and the delay of their contracted producer getting back to work after the firearm deer season and the recent heavy snows, the Amish brought their team of Belgem work horses in to the job to do the skidding in the interim and to keep things moving in the woods.

They are also waiting for the access road to get all plowed out for trucking. They are working 1 1/2 miles back in from a seasonal access road and one of their truckers refuses to haul until conditions get better. Hopefully all will get back to normal soon. Schirmer hardwood sale, 12/10.


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on December 29, 2010, 09:38:07 AM
Neat pics, Ron
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: GRANITEstateMP on December 29, 2010, 03:42:31 PM
Wow Ron,

I always enjoy your pictures but seeing those two animals working is great don't see much of that around here.

Matt
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: northwoods1 on December 30, 2010, 07:40:12 AM


Those are great pictures, hope you get a chance to take some more  :)

We have lots of Amish up around these parts and it never ceases to amaze me how expert they are with horses. I was married to a large animal veterinarian for many years and got a chance to visit many farms it was something I always looked forward too :)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: timberfaller390 on December 31, 2010, 10:41:08 PM
paul, how are your standards attached to your flatbed?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: paul case on January 01, 2011, 11:45:19 AM
Quote from: timberfaller390 on December 31, 2010, 10:41:08 PM
paul, how are your standards attached to your flatbed?
just bolted down thru the 1/8'' steel floor with 2- 1/2'' bolts each bunk.those bunks are 4'' tube uprights sandwiched at the bottom by 2 pieces of 3/8''x4x4 angle iron. they would almost stand alone. i always bind loads of logs all the way to the truck frame. i made the bunks this way so i could drop them off and use the truck to pull a gooseneck trailer. i thought i might have trouble with the bolt holes ripping out but i have hauled logs on that truck that way for 10 years or more and no troubles. the average load of 10' logs on my truck scales out about 500 to 600 ft. pc
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: timberfaller390 on January 01, 2011, 10:04:03 PM
I have basically the same setup. My bunks look like yours but fit down in the stake pockets.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: mad murdock on January 01, 2011, 11:29:33 PM
Thanks Ron for posting the pics of the Amish boys skidding with the team.  Do they fell and buck the timber as well?  Do they do that with axe and misery whip? or do they use mechanized help (chainsaw)?  When I was 13, I worked with a logger who skidded with a horse, myabe I mused on that in another post.  That horse could drag out about 6 cord of wood a day, working him for 6 hours or so, giving him breaks every 1-1/2 to 2 hours.  Good hayburners are a real asset in the woods. 
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: northwoods1 on January 02, 2011, 08:16:09 AM
Quote from: mad murdock on January 01, 2011, 11:29:33 PM
Thanks Ron for posting the pics of the Amish boys skidding with the team.  Do they fell and buck the timber as well?  Do they do that with axe and misery whip? or do they use mechanized help (chainsaw)?  When I was 13, I worked with a logger who skidded with a horse, myabe I mused on that in another post.  That horse could drag out about 6 cord of wood a day, working him for 6 hours or so, giving him breaks every 1-1/2 to 2 hours.  Good hayburners are a real asset in the woods. 

I'd like to see more pics of anyone logging with horses I find that really interesting. There are a few people still doing it around these parts. Down the road from me just a little ways the U.S. forest service had a black of jackpine they wanted clear cut. But the understory was beautiful hardwood, mostly all oak. I don't know why that stuff comes up so good under jackpine must be the right amount of shade. But they specified it had to be horse logged to save the understory and  did they ever do a nice job. That is the only time I have ever heard of a federal job requiring horse logging but it was the perfect thing in that situation :)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on January 02, 2011, 04:08:40 PM
The Amish horse loggers delimb the tree and then horse skid it tree length to the landing where they buck it up with a chainsaw. They then sort and deck the sawlogs and pulpwood on the landing with a their skid steer. They use mechanized equipment for work but personal travel is by horse unless thy can hitch a vehicle ride with someone, which they are good at. :D

They also want to get back to mechanized skidding and forwarding again as they are complaining that the horse skidding is too slow. ;) I don't mind though as long as they do good work.

The Amish are using the 576 XP Husky chainsaw on this job.



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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: donny hochstetler on January 02, 2011, 05:28:12 PM
is it common practice for that area, to snake logs out with cable skidders ,or is the prefered method forwarders, I always thought a small skidder, with a good operator would be the best ,{other than horses}  I also realise that the cable skidder, is only as good as its operator, I have been watching some U tube clips, of skidder operators its amazing some of these people call themselves operators   :o
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on January 03, 2011, 03:06:30 PM
Most of our selective hardwood thinnings are done with small forwarders with a cable skidder allowed to pull tree lengths off hill sides and from wet areas where the forwarders can't access. These are cut to length jobs where the product is cut at the stump.

Cable and grapple skidders are allowed on clear cut jobs and pine row thinnings with selection between rows. It all depends upon the objectives of the harvest and the operating plan what tree removal method is allowed is permitted.

"Poor operators" are not allowed to continue working on any job, they are soon replaced. ;)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: donny hochstetler on January 03, 2011, 08:02:24 PM
thanks ron , around here it is very hilly .to downright rough,  all cable skidding there are people that can"t even stand to watch us work,    :o        goodday
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: NB sawdust on January 03, 2011, 10:28:49 PM
Thought I would post a few pics of what we have been up to around here .This is some of the equipment at work . Two man operation ,myself and the owner .We geared up the patu harvester on a 161 kubota excavator, and I must say it is a great rig! Small but mighty....beats a power saw for production in medium to small timber... and it's warm in there!!!Harvested this nice stand of spruce in the pics below... dropped every tree and ctl with no issue at all. The forwarder is/was a c4 can car/tree farmer that has been converted to a single bunk forwarder.More to come later......

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Dave Shepard on January 03, 2011, 11:06:17 PM
Very nice! I'm a big fan of the Kubota compact excavators. 8)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on January 04, 2011, 12:49:03 PM
I just sold a job yesterday of mixed aspen, hardwoods, and pine which has the objectives to improve the area for deer and grouse. This a selective harvest of the hardwoods and pine with total removal of the aspen which covers a good part of the area.

This job will be a highly mechanized job allowing tree length skidding with grapples, hot saw felling, slasher, chipping, etc.

I'll post some photos of activities in a few weeks once the job gets going.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on January 07, 2011, 05:35:34 PM
Amish Cutter looks over the situation before falling the marked red oak tree. Schirmer hardwood thinning, 11/10.


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He's taken his escape route and watches as the tree falls.


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Bobus2003 on January 07, 2011, 09:46:59 PM
Quote from: NB sawdust on January 03, 2011, 10:28:49 PM
Thought I would post a few pics of what we have been up to around here .This is some of the equipment at work . Two man operation ,myself and the owner .We geared up the patu harvester on a 161 kubota excavator, and I must say it is a great rig! Small but mighty....beats a power saw for production in medium to small timber... and it's warm in there!!!Harvested this nice stand of spruce in the pics below... dropped every tree and ctl with no issue at all. The forwarder is/was a c4 can car/tree farmer that has been converted to a single bunk forwarder.More to come later......

Couldn't agree more on the Patu head on a small machine.. I love my Patu 410SH on my 1600 Link Belt
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on January 16, 2011, 03:35:54 PM
Aspen Pulpwood. Awaiting pick up by the Iron Mule forwarder. Schirmer hardwood sale, 11/10.


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on January 17, 2011, 09:00:13 PM
The aspen pulpwood is picked up by the Iron Mule forwarder for transport to the landing. Schirmer hardwood sale, 11/10.


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on January 22, 2011, 06:35:41 PM
The Western Star Woodhauler arrives at the landing to take out a load of aspen pulpwood. Only a single lead is used with no pup due to the long and difficult access road with steep hills to climb in and out of the timber harvest area. Schirmer hardwood sale, 11/10.


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: northwoods1 on January 23, 2011, 09:38:12 AM
Quote from: Ron Scott on January 17, 2011, 09:00:13 PM
The aspen pulpwood is picked up by the Iron Mule forwarder for transport to the landing. Schirmer hardwood sale, 11/10.


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That sure looks like a nice woodlot. So much regeneration in there. Really looks like it has been well managed.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on January 23, 2011, 09:58:41 AM
It's a very nice property, 585 acres with 3 private lakes and a landowner's cabin. We have been working the entire area. Proper timber management has greatly improved it and the landowner is well pleased.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on January 27, 2011, 08:45:37 PM
The Western Star leaves the landing with a load of aspen pulpwood, Schirmer hardwood sale, 11/10.



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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Maine372 on January 27, 2011, 09:16:00 PM
Jan 2009


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2004 John Deere 990 with 430 loader and 351 farmi winch. my father and i were working together. mostly he would cut and i would skid. the skidding was the slow step of the operation and i could move the tractor faster and make it pull more. i was probly a little harder on it, but i just used it to its potential, didnt thrash on it.

typically we would punch a road the the back of a woodlot and work towards the front. that way we were falling trees into the open and didnt have to run over the brush. important when you have ag tires and no belly pan. i did once have to replace the fan cause a stick got in the engine compartment. plastic fans dont make good chippers, FYI.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Rick Alger on January 28, 2011, 09:08:58 AM
Question for Ron Scott and others

What is typical daily production for a small iron mule? Will it load a trailer with stakes?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Reddog on January 28, 2011, 11:26:13 AM
Quote from: Rick Alger on January 28, 2011, 09:08:58 AM
Question for Ron Scott and others

What is typical daily production for a small iron mule? Will it load a trailer with stakes?

I will start with the easy one. Loading a trailer.
Yes you can load a high bunk trailer with one. But it will give a kink in the neck as the seat doesn't swivel far enough to give a good view of the loader or the pile based on which side you have it on. And you need to be real close to the trailer as the reach is limited at that height. Leaving you almost working blind on the far side. And again this varies by model as some of the later Mules had more reach. But I don't know of any that the seat turned all the way to face the loader.

A lot of variables in production. Terrain is a big one.
Mules haul between 1.5 and 3 pulp cords depending on the model and bunk configuration. Takes around 15 to 45 minutes to load and unload plus travel time. Big difference in times if loading behind a buncher or a hand crew and saw logs to pulp.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on January 28, 2011, 11:32:09 AM
Ron, do you guys always still have green leaves in november? ???
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on January 28, 2011, 08:14:39 PM
Rick,

Pretty much what Reddog stated on the Iron Mule's production and truck loading. The Mule usually just decks the wood at the landing and the self loader trucks load themselves more efficiently while the Mule keeps on forwarding to the landing/decking area.

Barbender,

This was an odd November. No real cold temperatures or snow until December. A lot of tree leaves stayed green and on the trees longer than usual. Not the norm, however.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on January 29, 2011, 01:38:50 AM
Oh wow! I thought you posted the wrong date, I was being a little bit of a smart aleck :) I don't think I've ever seen green leaves up here past mid October.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Rick Alger on January 29, 2011, 06:12:18 AM
Reddog and Ron,

Thanks for the info.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on February 02, 2011, 08:52:59 PM
It's a long truck haul out. Several landing/decking areas are set up along this 1 1/2 mile two track access road which will now need to be plowed out again after last nights heavy snow storm. Schirmer Hardwoods Sale, 11/10.


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: paul case on February 03, 2011, 01:25:18 PM
have i said....
thanks for this thread? i really enjoy all the pics

a big thank you .. pc
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on February 03, 2011, 07:53:41 PM
Your thanks is appreciated. I like it when others post their methods and equipment here as well.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: inspectorwoody on February 04, 2011, 09:53:06 PM
Neat pictures Ron.  :)

Beautifal country too.

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: pineywoods on February 05, 2011, 03:27:54 PM
A short video of a plantation pine second thinning in north central Louisiana. These trees are all volunteer in what 20 years ago was a pasture. It all went for pulp. Deere feller buncher, deere grapple skidder,(never seen a cable skidder in this part of the country) 2 prentice knucklebooms loaders, one with a slasher/de-limber, 2 double bunk log trucks.
All operated by the owners and families, 4th generation loggers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxvGz1lAWbM

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: treefarmer87 on February 05, 2011, 04:05:26 PM
nice vid, that prentice is a nice machine 8)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Norm on February 06, 2011, 07:31:43 AM
Neat vid thanks.

Is that SYP and what do they use the pulp for?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: pineywoods on February 06, 2011, 05:04:15 PM
Norm, yeah that's loblolly aka syp. Goes to the local paper mill. We have over 100 acres of timber that size. Hopefully next cutting will be some sawlogs. Right now, pulp pays better, nobody wants to pay anything for sawlogs.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on February 06, 2011, 05:13:46 PM
Piney, are there large patches of pine forest getting eaten by the beetles, or is it patchy? I would guess with the hurricanes of late years and them beetles marching in, it has put a glut on the pine log market. Same as in BC, a lot goes to China now. And the pine logs probably degrade fairly quick with stain, maybe the sawmills are not too wild over denim pine.

Just guesses from afar way up north. ;)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: pineywoods on February 06, 2011, 09:36:54 PM
SD the beetle population has about run it's course. Seldom see any beetle killed pine any more. Most of the katrina and Rita logs have been turned into lumber by small bandmill operators. The big mills have never bought logs from a dead tree. What has killed the log market here is a total collapse of the housing industry.  Plus our state legislature enacted very restrictive building codes statewide after katrina. Big commercial mills are either shut down or only running 2 or 3 shifts a week. The small one or 2 man bandmill operations are thriving, but it's all specialty stuff, species the big guys don't want, barn boards, beams, extra long stuff, blocking, pallets etc.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on February 06, 2011, 10:01:26 PM
Piney, yes I see. The industry is hurting all over.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Corley5 on February 07, 2011, 08:55:46 PM
  Some of what's been going on here this winter  :)   


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: treefarmer87 on February 07, 2011, 08:57:37 PM
really good pics! nice c4.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Meadows Miller on February 08, 2011, 08:58:59 PM
Corley

Thats one dang tidy looking TF Forwarder you have there  ;) ;D 8) 8)  what year is it Mate  ???

Regards Chris
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Corley5 on February 09, 2011, 07:53:15 AM
A former TF dealer told me it was an 86 or newer or newer than an 86.  I forget which  ;D  I sent an an e-mail to Franklin/Tree Farmer with the serial # asking what year it is and never heard back from them.  I assume it's one of the last true Tree Farmers before the Franklin takeover/merger. 
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: ga jones on February 12, 2011, 07:07:16 PM
franklin is actually out of business.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: treefarmer87 on February 12, 2011, 07:15:48 PM
i think they went out in 2006 :'(
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Corley5 on February 13, 2011, 09:05:42 AM
I heard that they stopped production but didn't actually go out of business  ???  Website still looks good  :)  But no one answers e-mails  :-\
http://www.franklin-treefarmer.com/index.htm
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: venice on February 14, 2011, 01:56:21 PM
What an interesting read! Took me days to get through.  :P

Ron, by any chance, did you take close up's of the log arch used by the amish horse loggers?

Thanks. Venice
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on February 15, 2011, 08:16:42 PM
At present, I don't have any close up photos of the Amish horse arch other than what have been pictured. I may be able to get some in a week or so when I check the job again or when i'm at their mill. The horses have been moved off the job now since all the wood has been cut and they only have hauling to do.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on February 21, 2011, 09:01:12 PM
Red Oak Sawlogs & Pulpwood. Cut to length products wait to be forwarded to the landing. Schirmer hardwood sale, 11/10.


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Note the split sawlog. A good log can be damaged during falling and bucking. Falling this tree across the two track road and its uneven ground caused the sawlog to split and lose of value when cut to length. In this case, the mill owner's son split the log so it was taken to the mill for a salvage cut.


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on March 10, 2011, 04:12:07 PM
4835 STX SkidSteer. The Amish use one of their skid steers to work the landing/decking area and sort their wood products for hauling. Schirmer hardwood sale, 12/10.


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: paul case on March 11, 2011, 10:38:20 PM
cut some walnut today and got another photo of the truck and trailer.


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pc
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: northwoods1 on March 12, 2011, 09:25:35 AM
Quote from: Ron Scott on February 21, 2011, 09:01:12 PM

Note the split sawlog. A good log can be damaged during falling and bucking. Falling this tree across the two track road and its uneven ground caused the sawlog to split and lose of value when cut to length. In this case, the mill owner's son split the log so it was taken to the mill for a salvage cut.


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I don't think it split because he dropped it across the road, but when he bucked that log off one end was resting on the ground and the weight of the tree was being supported by it. Then it looks like he made a small cut into the top of the log down to the depth of the split and then began sawing up from underneath and he did not cut fast enough which caused the log to split. With red oak like that you need a big saw to be able to power through the log and not give it a chance to split. Another way to prevent that is to ring the tree and cut down into the log a couple inches all the way around before you begin making the up cut that will help immensely but you may still get some pull out if you saw is not powerful enough.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: northwoods1 on March 12, 2011, 09:26:35 AM
Quote from: paul case on March 11, 2011, 10:38:20 PM
cut some walnut today and got another photo of the truck and trailer.


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pc

Nice looking logs Paul :) you going to saw those up yourself?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: sawguy21 on March 12, 2011, 12:56:27 PM
Judging from the first picture you have no rear suspension travel  :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: paul case on March 12, 2011, 01:01:57 PM
not sawing these myself. they will be sold in a semi truck load lot.
the right rear suspension is mashed down to the block or almost. it seems a little more soft than the left side,but has no broken leaves or anything else that i can see. it does come back about 6'' to 8'' when empty. pc
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: treefarmer87 on March 13, 2011, 11:21:08 AM
i like the log body,toolbox and head gate on that truck, nice logs too :)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: paul case on March 13, 2011, 04:16:38 PM
those log bunks are stout. i cut them off a log bed that was on that truck when i bought it. they are 4'' sq tube 3/8'' wall uprights sandwiched between 2- 4'' angles 3/8'' thick. the bunks will come off by just taking 4 bolts out and it has a 10' steel flatbed with a gooseneck hitch. the front rack is 2x2 tube with 1/2'' rod across it. i have laid big logs on it by accident and it dont give a bit. the toolbox i bought at auction for $5. my 660 w/ 25'' bar will fit in it. its pretty handy.
i kinda think you can build it heavy enough that it wont break or bend out of shape, or you can do it light and redo it and redo it. build it to last a lifetime or spend your lifetime fixing it.  pc
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: treefarmer87 on March 13, 2011, 08:03:15 PM
you are exactly right, you wont ever have to worry about it
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on March 19, 2011, 12:20:53 AM
Here's a few pics of the black ash I just finished cutting for a friend. He's building a house and wants to use it to make paneling for his ceiling.

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on March 19, 2011, 08:54:06 AM
Nice looking ash. I had a whole acre of mature black ash that the beavers flooded after surrounding stands were harvested. I wouldn't say they were all as nice as those, but they had some decent sizes up to 14" inches or so. These would be not real old, but at least 80 years old because a fire went through about 1908. Found some charcoal in cedar stumps in the area and grandmother knew it burned when she was young, born 1900. The areal view of my woodlot shows them still alive back in 2000.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on March 19, 2011, 11:38:27 AM
Beavers kill a lot of ash around here too. It seems that flooded stuff usually has the bark fall off of it, and then it will stand there for a long time. I love getting that stuff for firewood, it's nice and dry and so hard you can feel every chainsaw tooth hit it. In a regular ash stand, when a tree dies the bark stays on and it rots right away. Donk, this stand looked to be about 70 years old, there where big burned Cedar stumps throughout the stand here too.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: treefarmer87 on March 19, 2011, 12:29:55 PM
nice logs, there isnt much ash around here. if you run across it they dont give you much money for it
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on March 19, 2011, 02:47:17 PM
We can get a good dollar from the flooring plant and from the tool handle plant.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: treefarmer87 on March 19, 2011, 07:40:08 PM
saw this @ the local tire shop today getting a new set of 30.5s

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: paul case on March 19, 2011, 08:09:07 PM
they do exist, or is that bobby goodson's? pc
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: treefarmer87 on March 19, 2011, 08:25:16 PM
there is a guy here that has a all chipping operation named ricky allen. i think its either his or tapscott bros logging. i believe he bought it in NC.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Bobus2003 on March 19, 2011, 08:48:16 PM
Doesn't look like its been used for a little bit judging by the rust on the Clam
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: treefarmer87 on March 19, 2011, 09:27:47 PM
I  saw it sitting next to a large tract of small pine on my way to augusta lumber co. it says 640C on the front panels. then the next day it was @ the tire shop, they are putting 4 new ones on the back :o$$$. wonder how much the machine cost?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: bill m on March 27, 2011, 05:07:24 PM
A few photos of the last 2 jobs this winter.
First 2 photos are creating a sugar bush for a landowner.

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Next photos are cutting pine that will go to FF member Dave Shepard.

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on March 27, 2011, 05:20:05 PM
Nice!  :)

Dave, how do you rank? ;) :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: treefarmer87 on March 27, 2011, 05:40:24 PM
nice job! good pics
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on March 27, 2011, 07:13:00 PM
I agree- Very nice looking work!
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: paul case on March 28, 2011, 09:30:32 AM
nice work and some nice looking logs too. makes me a little jealous. sometimes here we cant find a straight tree. pc
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: sawdust on April 04, 2011, 11:49:43 PM
 
Ran a skidder today  :D   No witnesses thank goodness. I had no idea, still don't I'm sure! Timberjack 480B with a hydraulic grapple. I left a trail of trees that I could follow all the way back to the place I picked em up. Never piloted anything articulated, could not see what I was carrying and did not realize that you have to keep tightening the grapple as the load rolls around in there. I have always thought that the back end of an ambulance was a rough ride... nope, smooth as silk. I was driving on real nice smooth frozen ground and thought the seatbelt was going to pull me in half.
Skidder operators have my utmost respect.
sawdust

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on April 05, 2011, 07:43:39 PM
Quote from: sawdust on April 04, 2011, 11:49:43 PM
Ran a skidder today  :D   No witnesses thank goodness. I had no idea, still don't I'm sure! Timberjack 480B with a hydraulic grapple. I left a trail of trees that I could follow all the way back to the place I picked em up. sawdust

That doesn't make the forester happy. ;)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on April 06, 2011, 10:28:41 AM
The one grapple machine I ran for but a few minutes had a detent on the grapple control that applies a small amount of hydraulic pressure to the the grapple so that you don't have to hold it or constantly squeeze the grapple. I think most of them are set up that way.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on April 09, 2011, 07:53:14 PM
John Deere 548D Grapple Skidder. Schirmer hardwood sale, 1/11.


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The Amish logging crew take a lunch break around the fire with the skidder parked to break the wind.


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Bobus2003 on April 09, 2011, 10:15:04 PM
Interesting Idea with the tire on the grapple..

FMC Track Skidder (Cable Type)

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: semologger on April 10, 2011, 10:10:37 AM
Yes  i to like the tire idea. Might have to try that one. Grapple skidders are all ive ever run. Prob why my pants size are a little to big now days.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: treefarmer87 on April 11, 2011, 06:52:44 PM
nice FMC bobus2003 8) i have seen a couple skidders with the tire like that. what is it for?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: snowstorm on April 11, 2011, 07:06:30 PM
Quote from: treefarmer87 on April 11, 2011, 06:52:44 PM
nice FMC bobus2003 8) i have seen a couple skidders with the tire like that. what is it for?
to keep the graple from banging headed in empty
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: treefarmer87 on April 12, 2011, 04:26:11 PM
thats a good idea, saves wear n' tear
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: semologger on April 14, 2011, 01:43:24 PM
Its alot cheaper than putting brake pads in. Always old tires laying around
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: woodtroll on April 14, 2011, 03:08:20 PM
Bobus2003, where is the FMC working?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Bobus2003 on April 14, 2011, 07:22:06 PM
Quote from: woodtroll on April 14, 2011, 03:08:20 PM
Bobus2003, where is the FMC working?

We've got it 13 miles south of Deadwood on Killoern Springs Rd
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: woodtroll on April 15, 2011, 12:58:54 AM
I will need to swing up that way and check it out.
Is it on a Fed job?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Bobus2003 on April 15, 2011, 01:17:53 PM
Yea its on Fed Land.. Hopin for some warm weather so we can start pullin wood again..
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on April 16, 2011, 05:48:02 PM
The Amish use one of their skidsteers to sort and deck products at the landing. Schirmer hardwood sale, 1/11.



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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: donny hochstetler on April 16, 2011, 06:59:17 PM
I like the pictures, do the amish have there own mill ? I grew up just east of there, I know alot of the amish from northern mi. , figured I might even know who these folks are , some of the younger ones I don't know but might know there parents its been about 20 years since I moved out of the area but we still go back every year or so  northern mi. is a beutiful place 8)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on April 16, 2011, 07:14:23 PM
Yes, they own their own Sawmill and a table factory.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on April 19, 2011, 05:23:13 PM
Tree Length Logging. The Amish loggers tree length oak to the landing with a grapple skidder that they rented to finish the job after their contracted producer failed to finish the job. Schirmer hardwood sale, 1/11.



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Title: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: amberwood on April 22, 2011, 01:43:09 AM
 A few quick pics from this week. It is starting to get steep.

TJ1210 Forwarder working its way downhill loaded.


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DTR
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on April 24, 2011, 07:14:59 PM
Where the operators earn their pay and value their machines. ;)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on April 24, 2011, 07:38:20 PM
Backing Up the John Deer 548D Grapple Skidder For A Pull of Oak, Schirmer Hardwood Sale, 1/11.



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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on April 24, 2011, 07:40:16 PM
Should try it when that hill is covered in granite boulders. :D :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Maineloggerkid on April 25, 2011, 07:47:10 AM
^^^Then it would be like this neck of the woods. haha
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on April 25, 2011, 07:55:11 AM
It's not a problem here in farm country, but Deersdale, McAdam, Napadogan, Northpole is one big boulder field.  :D :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: amberwood on April 25, 2011, 07:58:28 AM
no thanks on the boulders, shallow topsoil on top of slippery clay and gravel is challenging enough. Non tilt machine tops out at about 25deg slope. I have a tiltbase Timbco 445B fellerbuncher and D7 grapple coming in to work the  steep parts. The Koehring will then have a working holiday as processor only on the edge of the landing.

DTR
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 02, 2011, 12:22:53 PM
Amish Cutter delimbs red oak, Schirmer hardwood sale 1/11.



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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 06, 2011, 11:50:27 AM
Ready to Start Another Job. The 843K John Deere Feller Buncher and 748H John Deere Grapple Skidder are on the job and ready to start the timber harvest. Holcomb/Allen timber harvest, 4/11.



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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: treefarmer87 on May 06, 2011, 05:31:52 PM
the k series and h series machines are super nice :)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 06, 2011, 07:38:59 PM
Yes, they can get some work done. ;)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: sjfarkas on May 06, 2011, 11:42:30 PM
I love pictures! Especially of tractors!
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 1270d on May 07, 2011, 09:52:35 PM
Is this Gentz equipment ron?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Bobus2003 on May 08, 2011, 09:59:15 PM
I really hope my boss can get rid of his 450C TJ (I hate it) and get his 748...
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 09, 2011, 12:06:40 PM
No, it's Jason Lutke's equipment.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 12, 2011, 07:51:43 PM
The 843K John Deere Feller Buncher starts work on the aspen removal, Holcomb/Allen timber harvest, 4/11.



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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: HuZzEy on May 17, 2011, 07:06:39 PM
treefarmer pullin poplar centeral Maine


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1973 chevy c65 366 gas with prentice Loader with rotobec bucket this was our future Log truck but can't keep the brakes working stupid hydrolics makes a good log sorter


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: treefarmer87 on May 17, 2011, 07:31:20 PM
nice rigs i used to have a c65, good truck :) nice lil prentice G loader too. i have a buddy that has one with the loader mounted all the way on back with a unit. you would be suprised at the logs he picks up :o
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: HuZzEy on May 17, 2011, 07:58:24 PM
yea the loader works good for $1500 for truck and loader. it would work awsome it didn't have that barge anchor on the end of it that rotobec is extremely heavy we just bought a 1986 ford f800 with a 8.2L detroit AIR brakes 5/2 speed for $600 to put that loader on to haulour wood to the mill with. I will post pics of it soon and our old home built skidder  
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: treefarmer87 on May 17, 2011, 08:15:03 PM
thats a good deal :)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: a old timberjack on May 17, 2011, 09:08:18 PM
that is a f model prentice. wich came out earlier then the g. i have one of them on a working antique 67 diamond reo log truck. the g models you swing with the seat, and on the f, just the boom swings.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: HuZzEy on May 17, 2011, 09:17:34 PM
thanks old tj I didn't know what modal it was the ID plate is all smashed up I knew it was old it has been around by the looks of it but it works good
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: treefarmer87 on May 17, 2011, 09:17:58 PM
i didnt know they made a F? is it smaller than the G? i want to put a cab on my H, will a cab from a G fit on a H?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: HuZzEy on May 17, 2011, 09:33:13 PM
Mine only has a 15-16ft reach
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: a old timberjack on May 18, 2011, 06:21:25 AM
they are/were strong loaders. i seen alot of guys cut up that model and put them as a replacement loader for there forwarder, easy to do cause the loader and valve bank are seperate. parts are still easily available from prentice. that one still has the original seat and seat pedestl....... 8) dont see many of them. take care of that one!!!!
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: HuZzEy on May 18, 2011, 11:08:53 AM
yeah the seat hinge is worn out so i will have to replace it and the platform needs repair other than that it's a solid loader
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: HuZzEy on May 18, 2011, 07:36:38 PM
this was our skidder for 12 years 1943 chevy g506 army truck the log arch used to be a power trailer that my grand dad made to go behind the modal B in the pic added a branden winch a 3spd tranny and ran it off the pto then put it on that truck. it was a great investment buying that treefarmer I broke 4 fingers over the years trying to steer that thing through the woods had manual steering



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heres a pic of our future log truck


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I also own a thomas 2411 bandsaw mill I bought new 2 years ago 
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 21, 2011, 06:25:30 PM
Work At The Landing/Decking Area. The grapple skidder skids the tree length aspen to the slasher. The slasher cuts the aspen products and piles the tops on the opposite side for chipping. Holcomb/Allen timber harvest, 4/11.



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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: PAFaller on May 21, 2011, 09:18:53 PM
How long have they been working that sale? Certainly looks like they aren't goofing around with the piles they've got there. Is that customary to have so much wood piled or are things tightening up in your area Ron?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on May 22, 2011, 06:33:58 AM
I suspect that hasn't been piled down too long, maybe 3 days. With 3 or 4 trucks going it soon gets cleared out.  ;D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: chevytaHOE5674 on May 22, 2011, 09:02:39 AM
Correct with Michigan trucks hauling 20+ cord a load that pile is gone in a hurry.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: paul case on May 22, 2011, 09:15:32 AM
i havent been around a loader like that much. does he have to get a truck to hook on and move him or does he unload the logs he has for weight and move the trailer mounted loader with the loader? pc
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 22, 2011, 09:18:22 AM
This job was started on February 18th, but they didn't work most of April due to spring breakup, wet weather etc. They moved back in on May 19th and job is now done with all the wood hauled except for the aspen. The mill taking the aspen has shut down for a couple weeks, so they need to wait until then to haul the aspen.

This is a high production operation, so it doesn't take them long to do a harvest when they get on it.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: paul case on May 23, 2011, 06:42:49 PM
Quote from: paul case on May 22, 2011, 09:15:32 AM
i havent been around a loader like that much. does he have to get a truck to hook on and move him or does he unload the logs he has for weight and move the trailer mounted loader with the loader? pc
?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 23, 2011, 07:14:06 PM
A truck hooks on to the fifth wheel to move it any distance from job to job, but the unit has a seperate engine to self propel itself short distances and relocate itself around the landing etc.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: snowstorm on May 23, 2011, 07:50:28 PM
looks to be self propelled. front wheels are turned a bit. with a 5th wheel pin on it so it back a truck into it and go. usually a hydr motor drives the transmission and a hydr ram in place of the streeing box all powered my the crane. at one time it was a truck
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Bobus2003 on May 23, 2011, 09:07:36 PM
Quote from: snowstorm on May 23, 2011, 07:50:28 PM
looks to be self propelled. front wheels are turned a bit. with a 5th wheel pin on it so it back a truck into it and go. usually a hydr motor drives the transmission and a hydr ram in place of the streeing box all powered my the crane. at one time it was a truck

Thats the way our old Timberline Delimber is.. 6x6 drive, Hydraulic motors at each wheel, 5th wheel pin for distance moves.. Though she will move down the highway at about 20mph
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: chevytaHOE5674 on May 23, 2011, 09:22:19 PM
Most slashers around here are mounted on old 6x6 military frames. As stated they have a hydraulic motor mounted to the transmission input in place of the factory diesel motor. This allows them to move from place to place in the woods all from the loader cab.

Then for distance moves there is a 5th wheel pin for a semi tractor to back under and move them on down the road. 
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: paul case on May 24, 2011, 12:22:23 AM
i have only seen 1 other loader like this and that was on tv, bobby goodsons all terrian logging ''swamp loggers''. they moved it to a spot with a truck. i think i saw them move it back an forth some with the boom.
inquiring minds want to know. i read that somewhere.  pc
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on May 24, 2011, 03:41:18 AM
Lots of them in the woods up here.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: VT_Forestry on May 24, 2011, 07:22:22 AM
Nothing new or unique, just some pine plantation thinning...this stand is 25 and finally getting it's first thinning.  Because we are a water utility, we tend to work on a longer rotation than most industrial operations

Bunching from the rows close to the deck
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Stacking logs...This particular logger is able to take the bottom log (sometimes 2) and run them through his mill for smaller dimensioned products.  It takes what would normally be a pulpwood thinning and turns it into chip-n-saw or even sawtimber prices. 
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Pretty good growth but should have been thinned quite a few years ago based on those rings :)
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Everything is pulled tree length to the deck then delimbed...slash is carried back onto the skid trails
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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Bobus2003 on May 24, 2011, 02:09:04 PM
Quote from: VT_Forestry on May 24, 2011, 07:22:22 AM
Nothing new or unique, just some pine plantation thinning...this stand is 25 and finally getting it's first thinning.  Because we are a water utility, we tend to work on a longer rotation than most industrial operations

Bunching from the rows close to the deck
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Stacking logs...This particular logger is able to take the bottom log (sometimes 2) and run them through his mill for smaller dimensioned products.  It takes what would normally be a pulpwood thinning and turns it into chip-n-saw or even sawtimber prices. 
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Pretty good growth but should have been thinned quite a few years ago based on those rings :)
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Everything is pulled tree length to the deck then delimbed...slash is carried back onto the skid trails
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What length wood are they cutting? 648 Deere Skidder?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: VT_Forestry on May 24, 2011, 06:42:30 PM
They are cutting mostly 10-12 footers from the butt log, sometimes 16 if they can.

You're exactly right, JD 648.  Prentice 120 loader and a Hydro-Ax 511 round out the other equipment.  They let me drive the JD the other day and pull some wood to the deck...that was a good time :)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 28, 2011, 12:55:35 PM
Logger's Supply Vehicle, Holcomb/Allen timber harvest; 4/11.



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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: treefarmer87 on May 28, 2011, 05:43:22 PM
they do alot of plantation thinning here too. good pics  VT_Forestry  smiley_thumbsup
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on June 02, 2011, 07:21:08 PM
Tree Length Logging, Aspen. Holcomb/Allen timber harvest, 4/11

Feller Bunched aspen trees await skidding by the John Deere Grapple skidder.


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The John Deere Grapple Skidder makes the pickup and skids the tree lengths to the landing for processing by the slasher and chipper.


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: treefarmer87 on June 02, 2011, 08:07:12 PM
nice pics ron :)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Jasperfield on June 02, 2011, 08:55:12 PM
The photo's contained within this topic (not to mention the text) could just about teach a non-logger the basic operations of logging even though that person knew nothing whatsoever before.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on June 03, 2011, 08:20:30 PM
Thanks!
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on June 08, 2011, 05:03:18 PM
The Slasher cuts and sorts aspen products at the landing. The topwood is sorted and decked for later chipping. Holcomb/Allen timber harvest, 4/11.



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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: treefarmer87 on June 10, 2011, 02:57:56 PM
nice setup :) that is ALOT of wood :o
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: paul case on June 10, 2011, 05:46:50 PM
yep neat to see that set up.
i guess those are the saw logs on the right and the tops are on the left? if so what do you saw out of logs like the second one up on the pile?  pc
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: LOGDOG on June 10, 2011, 06:06:09 PM
I wouldn't call those "sawlogs". "Bolts" maybe.... and barely at that. A lot of pallet wood comes from "bolts". Short stock. Some of the high grade aspen/ white poplar is sorted out for things like solid core doors too. I used to mill a bunch of that up in WI.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on June 10, 2011, 07:08:12 PM
Aspen can get pretty big at times. On our lot we had lots 20-36" dbh that were cut. One mill required a special ticket for over sized aspen, stuff over 24" on the but.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on June 10, 2011, 07:16:17 PM
The decked aspen that can be seen in the photo will be going as pulpwood. The tops will be chipped.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: paul case on June 10, 2011, 07:41:56 PM
i bet that log will make toilet paper just fine. ;D  just wondering. thanks.  pc
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Bobus2003 on June 10, 2011, 10:19:16 PM
I so wish we had a Pulp mill here.. So much wood gets wasted because of Size or Crook. Even if i could do post and pole out of the tops I could greatly reduce waste.. but USFS and the Sawmill say no.. So i end up with huge slash piles
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Taylortractornut on June 11, 2011, 12:26:15 AM
One of my friends is in the firewood business on the side.  He hates waste and uses a special jig to  cut off 18 inch  sections from  the slash in a CTR saw on his  loader.    He has it set up where he can back a trailer under the saw.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on June 12, 2011, 07:22:05 PM
Another View of the Landing/Decking Area. Aspen and mixed hardwood sawlogs and pulpwood are decked on the left awaiting trucking and the Top wood is decked on the right awaiting chipping and trucking. Holcomb/Allen timber harvest, 4/11.


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: smwwoody on June 18, 2011, 12:43:29 AM
The company I work for at my day job brought these back to the mill today for some PM between jobs

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: treefarmer87 on June 18, 2011, 02:26:33 PM
Whos are those woody?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: smwwoody on June 18, 2011, 06:23:39 PM
Lacy's Eddies brother
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: treefarmer87 on June 18, 2011, 07:27:23 PM
i thought he had a 490 prentice skidder? that is quite a pair :) they are nice
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: smwwoody on June 19, 2011, 11:26:05 AM
The 490 was a loaner while the Tigercat was in the shop
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: treefarmer87 on June 19, 2011, 11:57:47 AM
O OK :) I saw them working on the gravel road off 622 with the prentice. it looked like a good skidder, but i bet he likes the tigercat better :)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: smwwoody on June 19, 2011, 03:55:38 PM
The prentice is much faster but the tigercat pulls a little more at one time.  So I guess it is dependent on how your crew is geared
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on June 22, 2011, 01:08:30 PM
Chipping the Top Wood and Loading the Chip Van; Holcomb/Allen timber harvest, 5/11.



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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: treefarmer87 on June 22, 2011, 04:10:07 PM
look @ all those axles on the truck and trailer
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Bobus2003 on June 22, 2011, 04:45:17 PM
Quote from: treefarmer87 on June 22, 2011, 04:10:07 PM
look @ all those axles on the truck and trailer

Most the chip trucks the saw mills run here have 5 axle trailers and 4 axle trucks.. Makes for heavy payloads without overloading during weight restrictions
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: treefarmer87 on June 22, 2011, 07:46:37 PM
wow! never seen anything like that around here :o
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: smwwoody on June 22, 2011, 10:10:04 PM
How much can they Gross on a truck like that?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Bobus2003 on June 22, 2011, 10:12:02 PM
Our chips trucks were running around 105,000 lbs gross
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: sawguy21 on June 22, 2011, 10:39:49 PM
Won't see anything like that on our highways either. How does it turn without scrubbing the tires?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on June 23, 2011, 05:14:09 AM
Nothing like that here either. During 80% weight restrictions in the spring you aren't likely to get a truck out of the woods roads to begin with. They turn to slime in some areas. Our trailers are just as big, just not the x's. The trailers have more air flow in the load to.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: MReinemann on June 23, 2011, 08:28:44 AM
Looking back through this post I figured you guys would get a chuckle out of this one.  1993 K1500.  "The heartbeat of America".  Maybe some day ill get a skidding winch on the tractor.




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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Meadows Miller on June 23, 2011, 08:47:11 AM
Gday

All those axles and you can only gross in at 105000lbs 47.6 ton  :o :) :) :) :) Down her we can gross in at roughly 39 ton or 89000lbs  I think on mechanical suspension and abit more than that on full air with a bogie drive semi pulling a triaxle trailer  ;) and then you get into bogie tri tri B double and at 60 ton/132000 lb ;) gross

Bobus whats your cutoff diameter for sawlogs sounds like your leaving a fair bit in the bush Mate  ???

Regards Chris

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: chevytaHOE5674 on June 23, 2011, 09:05:52 AM
That truck should be able to gross over 130k if i remember right. Maybe more because it has 2 pusher axles on what looks to be a 9' spread.

An 11 axle michigan log truck is legal at 164k gross.

They scrub the tires pretty good when making sharp turns.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Bobus2003 on June 23, 2011, 10:53:39 PM
Quote from: Meadows Miller on June 23, 2011, 08:47:11 AM
Gday

All those axles and you can only gross in at 105000lbs 47.6 ton  :o :) :) :) :) Down her we can gross in at roughly 39 ton or 89000lbs  I think on mechanical suspension and abit more than that on full air with a bogie drive semi pulling a triaxle trailer  ;) and then you get into bogie tri tri B double and at 60 ton/132000 lb ;) gross

Bobus whats your cutoff diameter for sawlogs sounds like your leaving a fair bit in the bush Mate  ???

Regards Chris



7" Top for sawlogs
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on June 26, 2011, 07:40:37 PM
Serco Slasher Feeds the Chipper. The topwood piles are fed to the nearby chipper and the chips are blown into the waiting chip van to be hauled to the nearby co-generation plant for fuel wood.



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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on July 02, 2011, 12:47:07 PM
The topwood is chipped and hauled to the local cogen plant while the aspen pulpwood awaits trucking during a 2 week mill shut down. The John Deere grapple skidder remains parked on the landing. Holcomb/Allen timber harvest, 5/11.


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on July 06, 2011, 07:48:34 PM
The mill has opened back up after its shut down. The decked pulpwood is now being loaded out. Holcomb/Allen timber harvest, 5/11.


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on July 10, 2011, 07:14:30 PM
Valmet 644 Forwarder. The forwarder of the logger working on the 80 acres just over the line from the timber harvest we were doing, 5/11.


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: treefarmer87 on July 10, 2011, 09:17:53 PM
thats a good pic ron.  that is a nice machine
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on July 28, 2011, 07:55:56 PM
The landing and decking area where all the tree length slashing, chipping, and hauling took place has been cleaned up, and the timber sale contract is getting ready for closure. The landowners are quite happy with the work and will plant the area with wildlife trees and shrubs. Holcomb/Allen timber harvest, 7/11



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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on July 28, 2011, 08:39:34 PM
Nice clean job Ron.  :)

I always thought that if wood was cut it should be taken and used, but some loggers like to leave their left overs, all too common. Not a lot of waste, but usually some "nubbins" left about. It'll all make soil I suppose. ;)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on August 01, 2011, 11:50:18 AM
Many of the landowner's management objectives can be obtained through a well planned timber harvest. One of this landowner's objectives was to improve deer management on the property. One of management directions was to plant wildlife shrubs, and food plots on the property.

In this case the logger prepared the landing/decking area for planting and seeding prior to closure of the timber harvest contract.


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The landowner has 30 apple trees ready for planting on the landing/decking area along with planned wildlife food plot seedings.

 

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on August 15, 2011, 12:46:08 PM
Tree length skidding over an area of hydric soil during periods of heavy rain caused some rutting which will need correction before the timber harvest is closed. The area had been previously rutted and torn up by ORV travel on the existing trail. Holcomb/Allen timber harvest, 6/11.


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on August 18, 2011, 08:32:32 PM
The rains have ended and after a drying period, a dozer is brought in and the rutted area is repaired. The original rutted ORV trail is now filled and graded into an environmentally suited trail road as an improvement to the landowner's property. The timber harvest is now completed and the contract can now be closed. Holcomb/Allen timber harvest, 6/11.


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: treefarmer87 on August 18, 2011, 09:08:11 PM
looks good, around here the usually leave ruts like that :(
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on August 18, 2011, 09:12:26 PM
I would kick someone right in the ~%&@ if they left the ruts. Should be in the contract not to leave it like that. I would start to haul rocks and fill the ruts up on my land while they was still logging.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on August 19, 2011, 02:45:44 AM
Nice cleanup, but sad to say, it's not something practiced too often here. On crown it's rutted pretty bad too in places. Makes for a nice surprise sometimes when grown over and your walking along with a brush saw and drop into them ditches.  ::)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: quietrangr on August 21, 2011, 10:37:55 AM
 

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1952 Model Feller

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1952 Model Buncher

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1952 Model Feller Operating 1980 Iron Mule 5000F with Hood 418 Loader



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Pretty Green Foliage Crushed by 1952 Model Feller's Felling



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Hickory and White Ash Piled by 1952 Model Feller/Buncher
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: treefarmer87 on August 21, 2011, 02:00:31 PM
nice pics, beautiful woodlot too :)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: lumberjack48 on August 22, 2011, 12:34:57 PM
Looks like the Ole strip cutting days, i cut and piled many thou's of cords back in the 60's. We had a Hill Lake dray behind a 03 Oliver cat. This is where you need a good pick Axe for piling it up, i could cut and pile 10 cords a day in Aspen when i was 16 yrs old.

I didn't think there were any Lumberjacks left, quietrangr you sure qualify as one.

Back in the 60's and 70's the the Feds payed us to disk-up and plant Clover on all our landing sites.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on August 28, 2011, 04:38:39 PM
Aspen Regeneration. Quick aspen regeneration within 1 month of the aspen timber harvest. Holcomb/Allen timber harvest, 6/11.


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: treefarmer87 on August 28, 2011, 07:39:05 PM
It grows quick!
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on August 28, 2011, 07:59:43 PM
Large tooth (big tooth) is the fastest growing commercial tree up north here. They look like quaking aspen in the photo, but they grow real fast to. I think in Michigan I read that aspen grows most per acre a year than any tree (native to Michigan).
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on September 12, 2011, 08:19:48 PM
Wood hauler on its way to the mill, 6/11.


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Wood hauler makes the turn onto the mill's route, 6/11.


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: isawlogs on September 12, 2011, 08:37:01 PM

Not a bad looking load of logs at all !!!  :)  Man that rig has a lot of tires to deal with  :-\
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: PAFaller on September 12, 2011, 09:34:21 PM
How many bd feet is legal to haul? And how much do they usually haul? I can't imagine log haulers there are any different than log haulers here, hence the two part question ;)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: woodtroll on September 12, 2011, 10:39:06 PM
How many bdft/ton?
The age old question.
But how much weight can you haul with all the axles?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Bobus2003 on September 12, 2011, 11:30:37 PM
I have often thought that a multi-axle truck from Wisconsin in western SD would allow some major weight to be hauled, but in the same way alot of your net would be lost due to the weight of the extra axles so it prolly wouldn't pan out very well.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: chevytaHOE5674 on September 13, 2011, 08:31:52 AM
In Michigan an 11 axle truck is legal to 164,000lbs. That works out to about 20-22 cord and 8500-9000 bdft of logs in my experience. That will change a little if they are all random length logs or all 8 footers.

I've bought as much as 11,000 feet of logs off one truck, and stick scaled 24 cord off a truck. Both trucks didn't have loaders on them so it allows them a little more room for wood.

A Wisconsin truck is good for 1/2 the weight of a Michigan truck. When we load trucks that are destined for Wi they get about 9 cord of wood or 4000bdft. If basswood we put 5000 bdft on, if red oak or yellow birch we put 3700 or so on.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ianab on September 13, 2011, 08:52:36 AM
They look to be stacked a lot higher than the local trucks are allowed.

May be to do with our roads of course.

They changed the regulations and now have a longer trailer with 2 sets of bunks / logs and one set on the truck. All up weight is the same, but the load is longer and lower. Safer on the winding roads.

Ian
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: wwsjr on September 13, 2011, 09:53:35 AM
Mississippi allows loggers with forest permit to 84,000 lbs, otherwise 80,000. Typical load is 26 to 28 ton of wood. I use 7 - 8 ton per 1000BF as a estimated yield of SYP or cypress. I have never seen a pup trailer or self-loader in my area, all are 18-wheeler type. SYP Chip-n-saw, SYP and hardwood pulp is hauled tree length and saw logs are usually 12' and 16'. All are loaded on landing with knuckleboom loader.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on September 13, 2011, 04:58:31 PM
I've seen a lot of the numbers when working at a marketing board, you get all the scale slips whether it's weight or stick scaled. The average load of 8' hardwood was 34 metric tonnes. That's with a self loader on the trailer, which was very common up until few years ago. In the spring before restriction on weight, I've seen as much as 44 metric tonnes on a scale slip with no loader. A metric tonne is 200 lb heavier than an American ton. We used 2.5 green metric tonnes per cord based on a cunit of solid wood (100 ft3, 56 lb/ft3 hard maple, beech, yellow birch). I know the 2.5 conversion is close because I've bought stove wood that way and it measured out very close. I have a spot in the basement that holds exactly 6 cords, and I can get 2 more cords along another wall and around the corners with adjoining walls. But I only put 7.5 down.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Taylortractornut on September 13, 2011, 11:11:46 PM
Wwsjr     you mentioning   not seeing any  self loaders  in MS.        Theres a DM  Mack running around Belmont with a self  loader set up.       You  may know him  Andy Barnett.    He  used the have a white Rmodel   Mack with a bunk on the back later  set up as a trailer.   
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: chevytaHOE5674 on September 14, 2011, 08:27:41 AM
In Michigan its sort of uncommon to see a log truck without a loader on it. I only know of a few trucks without loaders, and most of them have a sister truck with a loader so that one truck can load two. Around here you would be hard pressed to find many loggers that would even load your truck for you.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: wwsjr on September 14, 2011, 04:46:16 PM
There are a few contract haulers around my area, but most trucks and trailers are owned and operated by the loggers themself or a spin-off company owned by the logger. A couple of the loggers I know use two loaders on the landing and if bad road conditions use an old pull-out truck. Drop trailers, hook up to road truck. They operate similar to Bobby Goodson on "Swamp Loggers"
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: WDH on September 14, 2011, 08:37:11 PM
The self loader on a truck fits a system where wood is brought to roadside and stacked.  Then, at a later time, the self loading trucks come and get the wood.  This is a common system where the wood can be stored on the roadside without degrade.

In the Southern US, 99% of the logging is "hot logging".  The wood is processed on logging decks and loaded directly on trucks.  Wood stored on the roadside would not keep with the heat and humidity.  There is more than one way to skin a cat, but sometimes environmental conditions have a say.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on September 15, 2011, 04:33:59 AM
I think one of the reasons there is no self loaders on public lands is wood theft. Real easy to go out on a weekend to pick over someone's piles for firewood or logs and not a soul around. Also poachers of figured maple.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on September 16, 2011, 11:02:56 PM
I'd say we have about 70% self loaders up here.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: treefarmer87 on September 17, 2011, 12:21:39 PM
they are handy, i dont know why more people dont have them here, i like the one smvwoody has, it is set up nice. there is a 1900 intl. that has a pto on it. i could put a small prentice loader on it, but i think im going to try to get a grapple skidder, or prehauler :)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: snowstorm on September 17, 2011, 02:54:55 PM
Quote from: treefarmer87 on September 17, 2011, 12:21:39 PM
they are handy, i dont know why more people dont have them here, i like the one smvwoody has, it is set up nice. there is a 1900 intl. that has a pto on it. i could put a small prentice loader on it, but i think im going to try to get a grapple skidder, or prehauler :)
you must have missed it there is a bell 3 wheeler with a dangle saw on criags list maine either 9 or 10k. i think it was at poulin tractor in scowhegan
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: treefarmer87 on September 17, 2011, 03:34:25 PM
I havent seen that one yet :)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Bobus2003 on September 17, 2011, 04:55:24 PM
I can only think of one truck in the Black Hills that doesn't have a Loader on it.. But if the truck doesn't have a loader they don't get loaded
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on September 17, 2011, 06:01:23 PM
There are all kinds of scenarios you could run through that either works best. It just depends on your business. I know several guys that load their truck with a forwarder or slasher or even have a dedicated loader truck with 5 trucks or more on the road hauling. Then there is a log truck driver that just hauls wood for others so he uses a loader on his truck, unhooks next week and pulls a produce trailer. ;)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on September 18, 2011, 08:25:43 PM
99% are self loaders here.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on September 18, 2011, 08:40:46 PM
When we used to have more custom haulers, we had a higher percentage of self loaders.
Now there are more logging outfits that have their own trucks pulling crib trailers. Our hauls are getting so long, it adds up quick hauling that extra almost 2 cords that a loader weighs. 100 mile hauls to the mill one way are not uncommon anymore, and it seems like it keeps getting longer as markets disappear. But, even a huge operator like Reiger up here is running all center mounts because it makes the logistics much simpler. A woods crew can roll in, hammer up 500 cords on the landing and move on before the trucks even touch the job.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: mad murdock on October 01, 2011, 12:29:24 AM
Here is how we help trees grow after the harvest in the PNW.  A very informational vid from a very good timberland owner.  Their head forester is a super nice guy too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1UTmizwtR8&feature=player_embedded#!

This tree farm has units that I have seen 60"+ leader growth on Douglas Fir reprod in one growing season.  Pretty amazing thing to see!  My hat is off to all you foresters out there!  Keep up the good job 8) 8) 8)
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Post by: sawguy21 on October 01, 2011, 02:43:15 PM
That sure brings back some memories. ;D Thanks
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Post by: Ron Scott on October 01, 2011, 08:13:52 PM
Good video of helicopter spray project.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: mad murdock on October 01, 2011, 11:55:03 PM
Thanks Ron.  I cannot take credit for the video, I did not tape it. We have other videos and pics on the Co.'s new website.  I don't get to the woods with the crews, I spend most of my time in the shop fixing the aircraft and other things.  I have been in the woods a bit this past week though, we are dialing in a new DGPS guidance system that we have put together ourselves, rather than spend the bocou $$ on a  turn key system for the aerial platform.  It is working better than any system that I have seen IMO,  is much more scalable, and a much better value than others as well.  We have in the past donre a lot of aerial fertilization, but the last 2 years with the sky high fert prices, timber companies are not ponying up the cash to do much, if the market were to stay stronger (timber market), they would begin to spend more. Luckily for us they have returned to a more normal cycle for release and site prep, since the cutting has stepped up markedly with the good export market of late.
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Post by: SwampDonkey on October 02, 2011, 03:34:27 AM
Wow, fertilizing forests. I didn't think anyone did that. I didn't think the economics paid off like thinning does. We found you got maybe 3 years of growth spurt with aerial fertilizing, versus 25 years with thinning. ;) I'm not debating it, but some folks must see benefits that we haven't back east.
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Post by: WDH on October 02, 2011, 06:53:46 AM
Fertilization is not at all uncommon in the South.  My company has a major forest fertilization program backed up by decades of research.  Even though fertilization pays out under most timber price scenarios, the biggest return for the silvicultural dollars spent is weed/vegetation control.  Apparently, this is true for the PNW as well.
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Post by: Meadows Miller on October 02, 2011, 08:38:14 AM
Gday Treefarmer there is a bogie drive W model Kenworth up in PA with a 120 prentice on truckpaper.com Mate for $8 or 9 k Mate  ;)
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Post by: treefarmer87 on October 02, 2011, 11:04:37 AM
thanks ill take a look at it :)
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Post by: HuZzEy on October 02, 2011, 12:10:29 PM
it has a hood 7000 loader still good loader
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: mad murdock on October 02, 2011, 07:11:58 PM
Quote from: WDH on October 02, 2011, 06:53:46 AM
Fertilization is not at all uncommon in the South.  My company has a major forest fertilization program backed up by decades of research.  Even though fertilization pays out under most timber price scenarios, the biggest return for the silvicultural dollars spent is weed/vegetation control.  Apparently, this is true for the PNW as well.
Most REIT's and private timber co's will fertilize within 5-7 years of harvest, and sometimes mid growth, after the first thinining, as it can speed up growth in a given period of time and increase the yield at harvest up to 25% in volume, especially the fert application 5-7 years prior to final commercial harvest.  We have fertilized as far east as Montana in the past, as it will increase yield volume at harvest by 10-15%, under forest practice rules, they would take the 10-15% increase at the time they fertilized, by being allowed to increase the cut the same year the fertilizer was applied on areas that were under harvest in the same year, since the increase in volume is a documented result of fertilizing.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Meadows Miller on October 02, 2011, 10:31:09 PM
Quote from: HuZzEy on October 02, 2011, 12:10:29 PM
it has a hood 7000 loader still good loader
Quote from: treefarmer87 on October 02, 2011, 11:04:37 AM
thanks ill take a look at it :)

No Problem Mate  ;) ;D

Welcome to the forum Huzzey  ;)  ;D 8) And yeah I can get it wrong from time to time I look at alot of gear Mate   :) ;) :D :D ;D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on October 03, 2011, 05:26:23 AM
Mad_Murdock, that was what we concluded to. Within 3-5 years of harvest was beneficial to dominant trees mostly. We found there was delay in codominant growth increase and the suppressed trees, which were low quality anyway, were further suppressed. But we found that most of the nitrate was gone with heavy rainfall events and carried to streams.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: hillsidevt on November 17, 2011, 07:44:24 PM
Quote from: Ron Scott on December 23, 2010, 09:38:23 AM
Some more woodhauler truck names noted.


this has been the best topic so i wanted to bring it back TTT
& here are a few local truck names:
Crazy Dave
Awful
Bud Man
Bug Barber
Got Wood?
Pa's Pad When Ma's Mad
Indian Outlaw
Slimer
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 240b on November 17, 2011, 09:39:00 PM
I had crazy Dave and Bud man haul wood.  Crazy Dave was a circus and Bud Man was on time and relaxed. 
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: celliott on November 17, 2011, 10:12:46 PM
Quote from: hillsidevt on November 17, 2011, 07:44:24 PM
Quote from: Ron Scott on December 23, 2010, 09:38:23 AM
Some more woodhauler truck names noted.


this has been the best topic so i wanted to bring it back TTT
& here are a few local truck names:
Crazy Dave
Awful



Know both Crazy Dave and Awful, both live in my town.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: hillsidevt on November 19, 2011, 03:34:55 PM
i'm not far from you, in ryegate.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: GRANITEstateMP on February 18, 2012, 04:35:07 PM
Here is our 1975ish TJ230D pulling some firewood.  The trees got uprooted in a tropical storm this past summer.


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on February 22, 2012, 10:12:38 PM
Good looking vintage TJ230D.
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Post by: Emajsh on September 01, 2012, 11:21:48 AM
i havent seen anything posted here for a while so i thought i would post a few pictures, hopefully i do it right!   

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Post by: Emajsh on September 01, 2012, 11:24:56 AM
i guess the last one didnt come out i'll try it again

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: treefarmer87 on September 01, 2012, 04:05:19 PM
nice pics, that 340 is a rare machine. smiley_thumbsup
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on September 02, 2012, 07:34:12 PM
Nice photos with a good looking 340D at work.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on September 02, 2012, 09:28:17 PM
I didn't even know JD made a 340. What year is yours, and what was the last year they made them? That would be a nice size machine for sure.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Okrafarmer on September 02, 2012, 11:43:36 PM
Quote from: Emajsh on September 01, 2012, 11:21:48 AM
i havent seen anything posted here for a while so i thought i would post a few pictures, hopefully i do it right! 

Nice pix! I have never seen a JD 340 in person. Are they physically smaller than a 440?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Emajsh on September 03, 2012, 07:36:48 AM
Thanks guys, i guess they are pretty rare machines. They only made them for a few years, 84 and 85 i believe. I dont know the specifics about the differences between the 340 and 440. I do know that the 340D is a non Turbo and for some reason you could buy it without a blade or a rear log plate and you could get it with different narrower tires. What the advantage would be to have a skidder without a blade or a rear plate for your logs is beyond me, but luckily mine has both and the regular 18.4-26 tires

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Post by: Okrafarmer on September 03, 2012, 07:45:14 AM
There is a kid's book called "Logging Machines in the Forest" that I used to get out of the library when I was a kid. I remember seeing a picture of a 340 in there, and it had no blade. I was amused at the time. Maybe JD was just trying to sell a base line skidder with no frills for the most bottom dollar. I don't know.
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Post by: barbender on September 03, 2012, 11:53:41 PM
Seeing this topic back up top reminded me I have pics from last winter I needed to upload. Here it's daylight in the swamp.


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The Ponsse Buffalo forwarder on the landing.




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On the landing with a load of black spruce, I must have been tightening a hose or something. Somewhere between 5-6 cords on the machine, it depends on how much you heap it up.



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Here, if you look carefully in the middle of the photo you can see the critter that snuck up about 100' behind me out of curiosity, I guess. I'm glad we finally have a hunting season for them this year, I like having wolves around but they are getting a bit too comfortable around people, IMO.



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Well my laptop battery is going dead and I have to hit the sack, I have a ton of pictures from the windstorm this summer that I still have to upload.
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Post by: Ron Scott on September 04, 2012, 11:17:54 AM
Nice photos of early morning hours and Ponsee Buffalo at work.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: lumberjack48 on September 04, 2012, 05:36:29 PM
barbender good pic, i cleaned up blow down on Co. 9 from the dam out to Hwy 2 back in the 80's. I can't remember what yr the big blow came across Winnie, it blew down many 1000's of cords, Co. 9 was blocked a couple days. It blew down 3' White pine an Norway log trees.

I just ran in to a 1985 340 JD, they want $25,000. for it.



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Heres a pic of my boy running my C5-D, that arm had that bend when i bought the  skidder, this is 26 yrs ago.



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These are vintage pictures, this is me on the S8 IH decking Aspen poles, 30 yrs ago



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This is the Co. truck pulling off the job, he has about 15 cds of Birch saw bolts on, 6 more cords then he can haul legal. Its all back roads to Bigfork and late evening, so why not over load.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on September 04, 2012, 07:15:30 PM
Good pics, LJ48. I remember the blowdown on c.r.9, if I remember right that storm totally flattened that area where the recent storm kind of jumped around and hit pockets really hard. I still remember the sign the forestry put out there, "windstorm damage, watch for a new forest appearing soon" :) Now it's all 30-40' tall forest. I guess the forestry was right :)
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Post by: 1270d on September 04, 2012, 07:51:41 PM
Very nice photos.  We have the greatest view from our offfice windows, don't we?

Lj, we had a trucker hauling for us a few years ago who hauled in an evening load of tamarack pulp like that.  Crossed the scales over 205000.
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Post by: beenthere on September 04, 2012, 08:04:39 PM
205,000 lbs ??

How many axles under that 100 ton load?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Woodhauler on September 04, 2012, 08:07:38 PM
Quote from: 1270d on September 04, 2012, 07:51:41 PM
Very nice photos.  We have the greatest view from our offfice windows, don't we?

Lj, we had a trucker hauling for us a few years ago who hauled in an evening load of tamarack pulp like that.  Crossed the scales over 205000.
Back in 1995 i loaded a load of studwood spruce/fir on a 3 axle bws trailer behind a 500hp mack tractor, 160,000 pounds! Guy hauled it from jackson maine to canada! Went across the border in jackman maine! Around 140 miles one way!
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: chevytaHOE5674 on September 04, 2012, 08:49:54 PM
Quote from: 1270d on September 04, 2012, 07:51:41 PM
Very nice photos.  We have the greatest view from our offfice windows, don't we?

Lj, we had a trucker hauling for us a few years ago who hauled in an evening load of tamarack pulp like that.  Crossed the scales over 205000.

I too have seen a few loads of wood between 205,000 and 210,000 cross the scales in the dark of night. That's on an 11 axle "Michigan Truck"... Only 40,000 overweight  :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on September 04, 2012, 11:07:55 PM
That kind of weight is crazy, have any of you ever pullled a load that heavy? I've had a couple #120,000 + loads on, you know you have a load behind you, even with 500hp.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Bandmill Bandit on September 04, 2012, 11:16:39 PM
never pulled a load over a 100K lb but have seen a few loads of logs that scaled right at the 200 to 215 K. Some of the oilfield hauling you see in this country dont even get scaled cause there isn't a scale that you can get the rigs on to even weigh em.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Woodhauler on September 05, 2012, 08:20:15 AM
Quote from: barbender on September 04, 2012, 11:07:55 PM
That kind of weight is crazy, have any of you ever pulled a load that heavy? I've had a couple #120,000 + loads on, you know you have a load behind you, even with 500hp.
I have grossed in 108000 with my tri axle self loader truck back in the day! HAVE the biggest loads hauled into several mills! 8600bf of saw logs! Hauled 8000bf on a regular occurrence!
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Bandmill Bandit on September 05, 2012, 09:29:26 AM
Talked to my brother last night. He is mostly hauling loggin and oil feild equipment now but he said that 100K mark is the norm now for log trucks up north. said he saw one about a week ago where the jeeped tractor had a set of tandem steering axels and triple drivers pulling a trailer with 2 center axels and a triple rear.

He figured they were using a heavy pipe/drill stem hauler to bring out logs to the plup mill from the lease and road clearing and said it looked to be about a load and a half on a regular tri axel trailer rig.

He was going to see if he could get a picture if he caught them on the his haul in there today with the other mud tank.   
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Mark Wentzell on September 05, 2012, 03:11:54 PM
Quote from: lumberjack48 on September 04, 2012, 05:36:29 PM

This is the Co. truck pulling off the job, he has about 15 cds of Birch saw bolts on, 6 more cords then he can haul legal. Its all back roads to Bigfork and late evening, so why not over load.

I've never seen logs loaded  across the truck like that around here( Perpendicular to the trailer.). Is that a regional thing or is it the old way or what? Seems it would make unloading easier.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on September 05, 2012, 04:46:22 PM
Regional, it's a lakes states thing. I'd guess about 95% of our wood is cut 100", and about 75% of that is hauled crossways. If I remember right, a good crane operator at Sappi could unload a rail trailer with 14 cords of aspen on it in under 3 minutes, it would take 1 minute longer with bunk trailers. Doesn't sound like much but when the trucks are backed up bumper to bumper all day it adds up.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: lumberjack48 on September 05, 2012, 04:50:05 PM
Quote from: Mark Wentzell on September 05, 2012, 03:11:54 PM
Quote from: lumberjack48 on September 04, 2012, 05:36:29 PM

This is the Co. truck pulling off the job, he has about 15 cds of Birch saw bolts on, 6 more cords then he can haul legal. Its all back roads to Bigfork and late evening, so why not over load.

I've never seen logs loaded  across the truck like that around here( Perpendicular to the trailer.). Is that a regional thing or is it the old way or what? Seems it would make unloading easier.
Mark, saw bolts are 100" long same as pulp, he'll be about 30,000 over with the load.

The truck has 6 axles counting the front, the truck is way over built to, heavy rig empty.

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Mark Wentzell on September 05, 2012, 05:16:06 PM
Thanks guys. Always learning. :P
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: chevytaHOE5674 on September 05, 2012, 05:39:21 PM
Yeah 95% here is 100" wood loaded crossways on the truck and pup. Only time to load them lengthwise is when you have random length logs to haul. But even then I know a few truckers that haul 10' and 12' logs sideways on the truck, then just offset them so the majority sticks out the passenger side.... In no way shape or form is it legal but some do it because they hate trying to load a few long logs lengthwise and having to splice them in with the rest of the 8' logs.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 1270d on September 05, 2012, 07:20:10 PM
Wow, never heard of hauling randoms sideways.    Not on the public roadways anyhow.   9 ft wood I have.   Looks normal if its loaded well.   

We had another truck driver crack up a freeze road with ahuge loade of 8 8 sawlogs.  There was no way to fit another stick on the under the loader on the truck and the pup was humped up.  This was 90% frozen hard maple.  I can't imagine what that must have weighed. 
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ken on September 06, 2012, 06:27:03 PM
Very few local truckers carry wood crossways.  It used to be quite popular as most pulp mills only accepted 8' wood.  Now most of our pulp is cut random length.  Much easier to work with.   

It was great to see this thread again.  Probably my favorite. 



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In the bottom picture the piles are quite messy.  Sure hard to pile wood evenly when the bark is peeling off.   I do normally take a lot of pride in putting up a neat pile.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Maine372 on September 06, 2012, 10:02:43 PM
i have to be careful, this story may be about you! my dad saw a guy pull into line in jay when the trucks were backed up out the gate. this was probly 15 years ago. unloaded a triaxle load of wood into that little pull of on the right as you leave the mill. came back twice more that day and threw half the first load on each trip. had the loader heaped right up, but there was no overhead obstacles between the wood and the destination.

Quote from: Woodhauler on September 05, 2012, 08:20:15 AM
Quote from: barbender on September 04, 2012, 11:07:55 PM
That kind of weight is crazy, have any of you ever pulled a load that heavy? I've had a couple #120,000 + loads on, you know you have a load behind you, even with 500hp.
I have grossed in 108000 with my tri axle self loader truck back in the day! HAVE the biggest loads hauled into several mills! 8600bf of saw logs! Hauled 8000bf on a regular occurrence!
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on September 07, 2012, 09:18:03 PM
The guy that use to truck for me would load his truck like in lumberjack picture. He would kinda have to throw the wood up towards the cab. This was with a loader up by the cab.He was real good at it. This way he would not have to move his stakes.Now I see most load thier trucks with the wood stacked the same way the truck is going,than cross ways than another tier like the first one.The cross ways one is probably only 6 feet wide. this is all 8 foot pulp.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Bobus2003 on September 08, 2012, 12:21:54 AM
Quote from: barbender on September 04, 2012, 11:07:55 PM
That kind of weight is crazy, have any of you ever pullled a load that heavy? I've had a couple #120,000 + loads on, you know you have a load behind you, even with 500hp.

Hauled our crane to Williston ND (355 miles) Grossed out at 141,000 lbs It was a pull but the ole 550hp CAT did well
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on September 08, 2012, 10:30:27 AM
That's a long haul being that heavy, Bobus. There's plenty of steep grades too. Hwy 85? All I know is 500 hp and an 18 speed kind of spoils a guy ;)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: PAFaller on September 08, 2012, 10:36:49 AM
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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: PAFaller on September 08, 2012, 10:42:08 AM
Got a little ahead of myself and clicked post before I typed a description. That pic above is after a decent afternoon of skidding. Gave the machine a workout, is was a 20 min skid one way out of a hollow so real hard to be productive but the size and quality of the timber makes it worthwhile.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: PAFaller on September 08, 2012, 10:57:10 AM
Heres a few more from that job:
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Pretty nice stick. thats a 660 with 24in bar for reference. I try to peel the root flares off, makes it a lot easier to debark and saw without all that extra wood on it.
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The ground is pretty steep but pics dont do it justice. I laid this one across the hill to keep it from splitting at the crotch and it took a pretty good run down the hill in the process.
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Thats the first 'bench' where I can still turn the skidder around, much above that and its not worth the risk. The job is pretty tough, the timber lays above the road but not all the way to the top so there are no roads to go up and then come down over.
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End up going to get a lot of it with this, the sawmills 550G. I was never a big dowzer fan, but i am coming around. Pretty amazing what you can do as your skill and confidence builds.
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Pretty tall stuff to, I laid this one up the hill and turned around to take a pic where I topped it.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: PAFaller on September 08, 2012, 11:04:47 AM
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An interesting find, its a rifle slug that was in my backcut. Odds of splitting it in half are slim, but I suppose its better I found it with a chainsaw than the mill finding it with the 8inch band headrig!
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Heres a what not to do! This was a job from last winter, as a favor to the farmer we were cutting and shoving over some nasty leaners that were hanging into the hay field. It was one of the colder days and this little black birches hinge didnt hold. I should have known better and it would have hurt being a bigger tree, but being as it was small its sort of laughable now.
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Cherry sale summer 2011, the boss making sure I am doing it right.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: PAFaller on September 08, 2012, 11:13:45 AM
I love my job and love to work, but its nice to get away and leave it all behind once in awhile. My wife and I love the outdoors and the northern mountains. Heres the adirondacks, summer 2011
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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on September 08, 2012, 07:40:26 PM
Nice!
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Mark Wentzell on September 08, 2012, 10:12:38 PM
Quote from: PAFaller on September 08, 2012, 11:04:47 AM

Cherry sale summer 2011, the boss making sure I am doing it right.

Looks like he's a nightmare to work for.  :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on September 09, 2012, 06:26:49 AM
Good pictures. I see you don't run chains in the summer.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: PAFaller on September 09, 2012, 08:32:03 AM
The rings stay on in the front. My front tires are still in good shape overall without any big cuts but the tread is worn to nothing. I run the studs in the winter or in the rocks, but those double diamonds just fill full of mud. Had to take them off when I did a big clearing job and was up to the axles. I dont like running in mud that deep, but when there is an excavator right behind you grubbing its not as big a deal.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Okrafarmer on September 09, 2012, 01:11:02 PM
Quote from: PAFaller on September 09, 2012, 08:32:03 AM
The rings stay on in the front. My front tires are still in good shape overall without any big cuts but the tread is worn to nothing. I run the studs in the winter or in the rocks, but those double diamonds just fill full of mud. Had to take them off when I did a big clearing job and was up to the axles. I dont like running in mud that deep, but when there is an excavator right behind you grubbing its not as big a deal.

What you just described is called routine logging in Maine, any time but winter. In winter of course, you hope to be able to stay on top of frozen ground for the most part. They dragged bottom logging my dad's place in September of '91.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on September 10, 2012, 08:27:07 AM
I missed the front chains in the picture.
Okrafarmer,sorry not all of Maine was like your Dad's place.  :(   I look at ALOT of logging jobs in Maine. Some I spend some time looking and some I leave very quickly.
If the guy I had cut my land started to make ruts even 6 inches deep,I would kick him off my land so quick he wouldn't even know what happened. I told him I have to get my tractor through the woods. And I told him I would kick him off my land too.He used alot of my trails too.I HATE ruts. My land is good land and I want to keep it that way. I went to check on one job of his while he was cutting. As I was walking up to him he was putting a bunch of brush and limbs in a soft spot so when the forwarder came through it would not sink in. That is one reason why I let him on my land. I have seen deep ruts on some land and I cross that logger off my list.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Okrafarmer on September 10, 2012, 08:41:23 AM
People may be more sensitive to it these days. My dad didn't like the ruts, but he knew it was part of the price of admission, especially on his soil type. His solution was to buy a D-6 and fix the road a couple years later. He also used the D-6 to clear the stumps out of the clear cut area and build a pond. All things he had wanted to do anyway. His 2-ton John Deere tractor made ruts too. The same logger logged off a much bigger section of land a mile down the road, a year or so later, and I saw the road they came out of, they were dragging bottom there too. Not much you can do about it sometimes. On another piece of land nearby, they logged it and the ruts weren't too deep because it was better soil and it was fairly dry when they logged it. That piece got bulldozed out and reclaimed for hay field, which is what it was before the trees grew back up in it.

Maine has many different soil types, even within the space of a mile, multiple soil types can often be found. We lived in one of the glacial deposit areas, and the soil types were especially spotty. The bulk of our land was minarda clay, which is particularly messy. I got Dad's D-4 stuck in it twice. The guy who bought Dad's D-4 from him sank it up to the hood the day he drove it off the truck.  :o I remember our next door neighbor with his Oliver 77 stuck up to the axles in his front yard, our other neighbor's Allis WD-45 sat stuck in the mud for over a year. Our road was discontinued past our house, but as a logging road, continued through to the next town. Dad pulled at least a dozen lost souls' cars, vans, and 4X4 trucks out of the mud on that road over the years. "Stuck-in-the-mud" was almost one word in the local vernacular.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on September 18, 2012, 09:57:22 PM
This morning's view, the fall colors are getting here.
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11286/2012-09-18_10-48-18_91.jpg)
Ponsse Ergo working blowdown in one of the hardest hit areas from our July 3rd windstorm. (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11286/2012-09-18_09-22-11_469.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on September 18, 2012, 10:02:03 PM
We had this huge area of blowdown, and now it is this dry in the sand country
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Some more blowdown, this is aspen on the NE shore of Ball Club lake
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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on September 18, 2012, 10:08:51 PM
Another landing shot, sometimes we will team up two or even three forwarders to get a job hammered out
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Nature shot, this hawk followed the machine around the whole time I was on this job, must have thought I was going to rustle up some grub for him
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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on September 18, 2012, 10:25:19 PM
That looks like a mess. I had a hawk that would follow me around too.especailly when I got too close to his or her nest. Than the hawk would get too close to me. :o
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Bobus2003 on September 18, 2012, 10:44:41 PM
Quote from: barbender on September 08, 2012, 10:30:27 AM
That's a long haul being that heavy, Bobus. There's plenty of steep grades too. Hwy 85? All I know is 500 hp and an 18 speed kind of spoils a guy ;)

Yeah its a Good Haul, Can't wait too be Done Working Up there. The Oil traffic Sucks.. Hardest part on hwy 85 is the Climb out of the Little Missouri River south of Watford City.. It would be differnt driving if i didn't have a 18spd, and 550hp
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on September 29, 2012, 12:08:24 AM
We're still working blowdown, it keeps me close to home is the good part about it.
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This is a Red Pine plantation a I thinned about 5 years ago, it is about 50% on the ground, 25% bent, and 25% undamaged.

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: WDH on September 29, 2012, 06:57:26 AM
What an awful mess  :).
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on September 29, 2012, 07:23:54 AM
Lots of money lost with that storm. that is too bad. Is this a land owner lot or a company? Acres? Nice and ALOT safer to do all that from a cab.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on September 29, 2012, 09:44:08 AM
We've been cutting all small private lots, these landowners have really taken a beating on the stumpage. This sale was $5/cd on the aspen. The dangle head processor is the only way to fly in this stuff, IMO. It would be a death trap to try and cut by hand, and a hot saw doesn't work very well in it either.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Okrafarmer on September 29, 2012, 09:53:21 AM
Wow, I remember getting $42 a cord on the landing for aspen back in 1998. And thinking how that was a pitifully poor return on my time for cutting it. I guess you're talking about what the landowner gets, $5 / a cord. What would be normal price these days to pay a land owner for good standing aspen?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on September 29, 2012, 04:50:41 PM
$20-$30/cord for aspen prior to it being blown down. Most of these sales have been $10/cord, this one was administered by the MN DNR because of a conservation easement, they dropped the stumpage in half because the Doctor that owns the property needed the access road to his cabin on the property cleared out by the duck opener ::)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Okrafarmer on September 29, 2012, 06:45:57 PM
That's more like it. So what would the landing price be (or millside price, whichever you would know more easily) ? For comparing, then to now. Back then I think it was $42 landing, $50 mill price.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on September 29, 2012, 08:30:10 PM
You would have a tough time getting much more than $50/cord on the landing now in this area (for aspen pulp) unless you have a coveted UPM Blandin contract, that keeps the haul short. Otherwise the haul distance gets to be over 100 miles to the other paper mills, pushing trucking rates well over $30/cord. $80-$85/cord delivered on the aspen pulp, do the math and you can see why you don't want large equipment payments ::) I logged my place about 6 years ago, I was getting $102/cord delivered for my aspen, and it only cost about $15/cord to get it there. We still had local (23 miles) OSB mills, and they were all hungry for wood. Three of those OSB mills shut down that spring, never to open again. The good old days ::)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Okrafarmer on September 29, 2012, 10:34:20 PM
When I was a kid in Maine in the '80's, it was still the hey-day of logging up there. Didn't matter what you wanted to do, saw-logs, firewood, pulp, veneer, tree-length, 4-foot pulp, bolt-wood, bio-mass, selective cut, clear-cut, skidders, forwarders, bulldozers, jitterbugs, conversion trucks, wheelers, semi's, farm tractors, power trailers, bombardiers, pulp trains, furniture, fencing, post and beam, you name it. Chainsaw:resident ratio, around 2:1. Skidder:resident ratio, around 1:20. Wood meant money. Lots of money. You could make an honest living. If you were industrious, you could make a killing. If you were ingenious, you could make a fortune.

Now. . . . .




:'(
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on October 06, 2012, 06:17:27 PM
Old Frankin skidder,no idea what it had for a motor in it. Was raining hard when I stopped,there's a rain drop in the 3rd and 4th picture. This was working in the woods when I saw it. I do not know the year,but I like to see the old stuff being used. It looked to be a clean machine. It did not have grease and oil all over it.



 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10436/franklinskidderthecfarm1.jpg)



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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: treefarmer87 on October 07, 2012, 12:21:59 PM
looks like a late 60s early 70s franklin 132 in really good shape like you said :)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: lumberjack48 on October 07, 2012, 06:26:54 PM
Quote from: Okrafarmer on September 29, 2012, 10:34:20 PM
When I was a kid in Maine in the '80's, it was still the hey-day of logging up there. Didn't matter what you wanted to do, saw-logs, firewood, pulp, veneer, tree-length, 4-foot pulp, bolt-wood, bio-mass, selective cut, clear-cut, skidders, forwarders, bulldozers, jitterbugs, conversion trucks, wheelers, semi's, farm tractors, power trailers, bombardiers, pulp trains, furniture, fencing, post and beam, you name it. Chainsaw:resident ratio, around 2:1. Skidder:resident ratio, around 1:20. Wood meant money. Lots of money. You could make an honest living. If you were industrious, you could make a killing. If you were ingenious, you could make a fortune.

Now. . . . .




:'(

Around here in the 60s and 70s, everybody or anybody could get a job logging. Every little town had one or two timber buyers, i even had-em come out to the house. Most of the farmers logged over the winter months.
1980 the logging industry here took a dive, after that logging was just a dog-eat-dog job.

barbender i have cut many thousands of cords of that kind of blow down with a saw an cable skidder in the 80s. That was one of my nick names [blown down Nelson] in the 60s an 70s it was [Easy-Money]


Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on October 07, 2012, 06:46:07 PM
Blow Down Nelson...I like that :D It's dangerous stuff, everything is loaded.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: keen on October 13, 2012, 05:29:45 PM

Great thread took me a while to get through the whole thing. Alot of great pics from members.


(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/27101/IMG_20120808_105654.jpg)

Heres a red pine skid on a job a few weeks ago. 10" dbh was about the average tree size. 8" and over went to the local amish for tounge and groove paneling. 5"-7" was sold to a local fence post company and will be peeled and treated. 2"-4" was sent to pennsylvania for furniture making. The 2"-4" was the money maker on the job since they can not be processer cut furniture makers are having a hard time finding them and are paying top dollar.
   
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Maine372 on October 13, 2012, 05:50:10 PM
whodathunkit! 2-4" diameter material being the money maker!

whats your machine keen? C5D?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: keen on October 13, 2012, 06:17:47 PM
Its a c5d with a deutz 5 cylinder. It does pretty good for us, for what it is.  I had a few loggers and truckers see my pile of 2"-4" stuff and say " Your getting a pretty good pile of pulp wood" and have them say that they are getting roughly $60 a cord for it. When I say im getting $250 a cord on the landing there jaw drops. Being a low production chainsaw crew we really have to shop for the right market to be able to make a decent profit.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on October 13, 2012, 08:09:51 PM
I just saw a craigslist ad looking for that same stuff, keen. Same problem, feed roller tracks don't look very good on your log furniture ::)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 1270d on October 13, 2012, 08:24:50 PM
Would they take it if it was cut with a stroke processor?  Like a little tapio or something like it?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Okrafarmer on October 13, 2012, 10:16:08 PM
Keen, that is EXACTLY the proper way to log. It sounds like you are making money.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: keen on October 14, 2012, 09:59:49 AM
Im not sure on a stroke processor 1270d, never thought of that. Its a good idea. I have never seen wood in person cut by one. Does it just remove some of the bark as it slides? I wouldn't think a  little scrape here and there on the wood would be a big deal. Where about in the UP are you? I was up there two weeks ago and fished the carp river and the black river. I'm from mid michigan(gladwin).
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 1270d on October 14, 2012, 10:14:16 AM
I ve never run a stroker but I don't think there would be a whole lot of bark disturbance.  If the knives were kept nice and sharp I think they would limb really clean also.  I live about a quarter of a mile from the carp.  Definately one of the smaller sections of the river though
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Bobus2003 on October 14, 2012, 01:32:00 PM
If he knifes are sharp, and the machines running good Stroke Processors don't disturb much.. They scrap some bark of (in many cases very nicely without touching the wood) but they do sometimes gouge the wood..
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ken on October 14, 2012, 05:28:43 PM
Nice looking skid behind that C5D keen.  I agree that we all have to aggressively market our products and services in the hopes of finding those "niche" markets.  Be careful though how often you spread the word about really good markets as there are those who would be more than willing to fill the market for a bit less.

Cheers
Ken
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on November 27, 2012, 08:52:04 PM
This is a Clark skidder. I don't see many of these in my area.



 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10436/thecfarmclarkskidder.jpg)

I have no idea the year. This is just a guy with a skidder and a chainsaw. This was a real small job. I doubt even 4 acres. It's between 2 roads and one side has a house on it and the other side was cut off a few years ago.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Okrafarmer on November 27, 2012, 09:46:44 PM
I knew a guy in Burnham, Maine, who had a Clark Ranger for a while. Back in the late '80's, early '90's maybe.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: WDH on November 27, 2012, 09:59:03 PM
I used to see them many years ago.  Now, down here, you very rarely see a cable skidder of any type anymore.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: sawguy21 on November 27, 2012, 10:09:34 PM
They were a common sight here.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: keen on January 11, 2013, 09:39:34 PM
Heres a few pics of the job we're cutting now. Getting pretty close to getting it completed, if the weather would only cooperate. There will be around 500 cd of aspen, once that is cut we will start on the ash.
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Counted a 110 rings on the tree to the right, it was solid all the way up. Don't find to many aspen that size in these parts.
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Sure like how these trees cord up, had to shave some bark off this one to get the 8 foot choker around it.
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This was Tuesday, trying to beat the thaw. The truck in front is loading logs. The truck in the rear is loading pulp.
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The ash on this job site keep me up at night :o Some board footage in these babys!

Had some hard rain here last night and today, dreading to see what things look like when I get there monday moring. Hopefully the rest of guys are getting though the weather, sure makes it tough.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Bogue Chitto on January 11, 2013, 10:40:40 PM
 

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 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/28428/DSCN3102.JPG) 

 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/28428/DSCN3110.JPG) Thinning in Louisiana.  Every fith row.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on January 12, 2013, 07:48:17 AM
keen,that tree makes that skidder look small. A tree that size takes alot down with it when it falls. I wonder why the trees did not get cut before. Looks like alot of small stuff coming up around it on your last picture. I see you have just about as much snow as I do.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: treefarmer87 on January 12, 2013, 01:00:02 PM
Keen, what happened to the orignal arch on your c5? i see a deere arch now? you are cutting some great logs, good job :) bogue, that is the cleanest pine job i have seen. where is the slash?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Bogue Chitto on January 12, 2013, 01:31:38 PM
It's a big mud hole now.  Raining all week and still more to come.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: JLeBouton on January 12, 2013, 04:07:19 PM
 

 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/16830/2013-01-11_17-00-42_129%7E0.jpg) Here is something you have not seen before...
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: keen on January 12, 2013, 04:43:48 PM
Bogue nice looking work there, whats the pine sold and used for there? Yeah, thecfarm not much snow this year. Its pretty much all gone now, 60 degrees today :-\ Treefarmer87 the deere arch was on it when I bought it. It was originally a grapple/cable, the guys I got it from were working on alot of slopes and put the arch on it. Maybe it will get a paint job this summer so it doesn't look like a mut.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: lumberjack48 on January 12, 2013, 05:04:45 PM
I cut a lot of Aspen like that around here, i liked cutting it at -10 to -20, no limbing, come out like high line poles. When its 60 degrees they don't slide very easy and pick dirt up.

That looks like a big White Ash your standing by, cut a few Black Ash that big.

Nice size row cut pine, i cut many thousands of cds of that here in the Chippewa National Forest

FABTEK all i want is the cash that machine is worth.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 1270d on January 12, 2013, 05:35:18 PM
That's the new improved fabtek in escanaba right now?   Heard about it. You must be the engineer that refined it?

I think it will work. There is definately a market for fixed heads here and Deere was missing out.

Do you own this head and market through deere, or sell it to them?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: treefarmer87 on January 12, 2013, 09:05:47 PM
keen, i would like to have a grapple and arch to convert mine to a grapple skidder. all the ones i have found are way too big for my c6
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Bogue Chitto on January 12, 2013, 11:33:39 PM
Keen, this is the first cutting of these trees. We are just thinning for chip and saw. 

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: treefarmer87 on January 13, 2013, 12:17:42 AM
is the skidder a 648H?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Bogue Chitto on January 13, 2013, 12:22:10 AM
Yes, Tree farmer
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: WDH on January 13, 2013, 08:21:11 AM
There is a very good small log market in that area.  The Company I worked for has a small log sawmill in Holden.  Are these logs going to Holden or Bogalusa?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Bogue Chitto on January 13, 2013, 08:52:03 AM
Bogalusa
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: WDH on January 13, 2013, 09:39:33 PM
That is nice mill.  I have been there several times.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: semologger on January 14, 2013, 08:09:18 PM
nice equipment there. Thats my kind of work in the pines. I like seeing the green grass. not much green around here.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: OlympicYJ on January 20, 2013, 06:23:08 AM
Yarder side just outside of South Bend, WA. Stroker clearing the chute/ processing and shovel sorting and loading. Tank mount Madill yarder.
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/31261/DSC01095.JPG)

Cougar Mountain in foothills of the Olympic Mountains, South Western part of Olympic Peninsula. 171 or 172 Madill yarder; can't remember which. Smaller Kobelco shovel sorting/loading and Kobelco with Waratah clearing chute and processing. Kenworth T-800 "long logger", 4 Axle truck with 2 axle long log trailer, and pup. Gross 88,000 but should have a permit allowing more since it has the pup.
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/31261/DSC01098.JPG)

Looking over the edge where the processor is at. Bottom end was shovel logged wher it meets the old clearcut.
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/31261/DSC01130.JPG)

At the above unit looking East toward the head end of the Wishkah river and farther East the Wynoochee river, my stompin grounds.
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Up the Wishkah river. About 2 miles as the crow flies from the pic above. Cat yoader loading, Komatsu sorting, and Komatsu with Waratah processing. Next pic is another Komatsu shovel swingin in turns on a lower bench to the landing.
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Timber King buncher just to the right of the above shovel.
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New Deere near the last two jobs. On what I call the Donut Hole. Old train turn around with a knob in the middle. Originally set up to be downhill logged but the op worked the shovel to the top and slid em over the edge. Had a Yoder on this job as well. Jewell conversion.
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Out of Forks, WA. Dahlgren Logging. I believe this is one of their two Berger Marc VI yarders. Tallest production Yarders ever made. 130ft tubes and hang out around 9000ft. Dahlgrens own the only two in existence. Check out the Flying Cats vid on Youtube.
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Different Dahlgren side south of Forks. Madill 3800C with 624C Waratah.
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/31261/DSC01192.JPG)

All of these were taken in the summer of 20011. I was interning for a timber comany doing log quality and logging compliance. I worked all the way from the Strait of Juan de Fuca to the Columbia.

Hope everyone enjoys.

Wes
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Bogue Chitto on January 20, 2013, 08:12:30 AM
Nice pictures OlympicY, thank's.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on January 20, 2013, 08:28:43 AM
OlympicYJ,enjoyed and than some. Thanks for the logging pictures and pictures of the the lay out of the land. That Deere shows how steep that hill is. Just a whole different way to log and the language is different too.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ed_K on January 20, 2013, 10:42:45 AM
 X2  ;)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: g_man on January 20, 2013, 12:02:21 PM
My daughter has lived in western Wa and now Portland, Or for the last 20 years. When ever we go out I marvel at the logging operations out there compared to here. The size of the timber, the steepness, the equipment, and methods are all so interesting but I have never been able to get as close as your pictures show so thanks for posting.
In 1993 she lived in Marblemount and they were logging a mountain side south of Rt 20 with helicopters, Even from miles away it looked like a big operation.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: ClarkF66 on January 20, 2013, 12:02:55 PM
Beautiful pictures, OlympicYJ. Enjoyed watching the Flying cats on youtube.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: OlympicYJ on January 20, 2013, 04:30:11 PM
Thanks guys. Yea so maybe a little background on me first so you guys get a fel for who I am lol. I grew up on a farm, my old man is not a logger, just a retired heavy equipment mechanic that has done some logging and worked on some big jobs in WA and Ak. I unfortunately don't have pics of our Treefarmer or TD-6. I'm a year and half from my BS in Forestry but have a technical forestry degree already. In those pics I was interning for one of the major landholders on the Peninsula as their first ever operations intern. I'll be working up on the Upper end of the Peninsula this summer so good chance I'll be around Dahlgren's some more. First rate loggers. I'm gonna venture a guess but the tower in my pic is not the Marc VI but a diffent Berger yarder of theirs.


Background on the flying cat's vid. Like I said Dahlgren's own the two largest production yarders in the world. There are non factory yarders that are bigger but they weren't built by a yarder manufacturer. One is in working operation the other is in their boneyard, for parts I'm assuming. The video is on Merril & Ring's Pyist tree farm. There were acess issues and the timber value was not worth it to Heli log. So they flew those cats out to the back end of the unit and logged 80 acres with the cats hauling to the tail tree and yarding from there. They were hangin out around 4000 feet.

The pic showing the new Deere doesn't do the hill justice. I'm guessing it was around 25%. He was popping Helmock stumps like picking up a golfball on the green.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Okrafarmer on January 22, 2013, 07:09:30 PM
Olympic, thanks for the pictures.

In this one: "Timber King buncher just to the right of the above shovel."

Is that a giant old growth stump I see?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ryan D on January 22, 2013, 07:52:18 PM
 

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A couple of photos from the other day. I'm currently working on a Red Spruce commercial thinning. This tree was an older White Pine left from a previous harvest that had the top blown out of it this summer. It was a little over 30" diameter at the base.

The saw is an MS441 with a 28" Oregon Power Match bar (I typically use a 20" bar, put this one on just for fun) and the tractor is a Kioti DS4510 with a Farmi 501 winch.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: clww on January 22, 2013, 08:01:52 PM
Great pictures guys. :) That 130' yarder must be a sight to behold! :o
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: OlympicYJ on January 23, 2013, 11:01:35 AM
Quote from: clww on January 22, 2013, 08:01:52 PM
Great pictures guys. :) That 130' yarder must be a sight to behold! :o

Oh yes indeed. Hopefully I'll be gettin nice and close to it this summer. Did you check out the video?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: MReinemann on January 24, 2013, 08:01:23 PM
The saw is an MS441 with a 28" Oregon Power Match bar (I typically use a 20" bar, put this one on just for fun) and the tractor is a Kioti DS4510 with a Farmi 501 winch.
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How does that tractor work for pulling out trees that size?  Just curious.  I got a small kubota l2800hst 4wd and i'd be lucky to pull out 1 tree that size in the snow.
-Matt
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ryan D on January 26, 2013, 07:41:37 AM
It doesn't seem to put much of a strain on it. So far it will pull anything I hook up. I've been very impressed.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: WindyAcres on January 26, 2013, 09:36:29 PM
Looks great Ryan! Keep it up!
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: OlympicYJ on January 26, 2013, 10:14:29 PM
Quote from: Okrafarmer on January 22, 2013, 07:09:30 PM
Olympic, thanks for the pictures.

In this one: "Timber King buncher just to the right of the above shovel."

Is that a giant old growth stump I see?

Sorry for the late reply. Yes that would be an Oldgrowth stump.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on January 30, 2013, 01:13:15 PM
From Chuck Ray's Blog. Looks like a great setup.

http://gowood.blogspot.com/2013/01/mid-winter-firewood-blues.html
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: beenthere on January 30, 2013, 02:15:20 PM
Have seen that posted and had the thought that Quebecnewf possibly could use such a system to conquer the water transportation and get his logs out... maybe even in better logging conditions.
Wonder what the investment in equipment would be.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: LOGDOG on January 30, 2013, 03:01:10 PM
I dig his Iron Horse.  :)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: nas on February 05, 2013, 12:53:01 PM
Ryan, I have the same tractor and have also been impressed by what it can pull.  It also has good lifting capacity on the loader, which is why I bought it over the Kubota.  The only thing I would like is a middle gear range between the high and low.  I think the DK series has that.  The Kiotis are quite a bit heavier than the Kubota L series.

Nick
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: mikeb1079 on February 09, 2013, 06:13:47 PM
that's a really neat video ron, thanks for the link.  i really like small setups like that.  seems like that young man has his system down pat!   8)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: JuniperBoss on February 09, 2013, 07:50:05 PM
Just wondering, does anyone here have trouble with popping tires on small tractors like that while skidding? I've been told it's a terrible idea to run a farm tractor through the woods with "farm" tires and that tracks or a real skidder is the way to go. For those who skid with a tractor, what tires do you use? Do you have trouble with your tires?

I haven't really been up to beat with this thread so I'm sorry if I interrupted anything.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: nas on February 09, 2013, 09:22:19 PM
Juniperboss, I have never popped a tire on my tractor, but I am a lot more careful than I would be if I had a skidder.  The bigger issue for me is protecting the engine parts from branches getting in.  I hope to improve the guards around it in the near future.

Nick
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on February 09, 2013, 09:29:43 PM
I only cut on my land,that makes a big difference. I can take my time,because I get all the money. I run 8 ply tires and never had a problem. But I don't run over my brush much,I cut most of it into 2-3 feet long pieces. Any small stumps gets cut real low to the ground. My small tractor is 40hp by the way. My skid roads are very clean and some what smooth. Any improvements I make I get to use for years.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on February 11, 2013, 12:20:19 PM
The cutter measures for a final sawlog cut from the black cherry top and then makes the cut.
LC timber sale 2012.


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: WDH on February 11, 2013, 08:17:40 PM
Nice cherry!
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: lumberjack48 on February 11, 2013, 09:57:22 PM
Can't a guy cut the hole top in to, 1', 2', 3' pieces, what ever it takes to get a straight piece down to 3 or 4 inches. Then saw it in to 1x1's, 1x2's, what ever it will make, there would be a lot of pieces of Cherry in that top.

I'm just thinking out of the box
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on February 12, 2013, 05:00:14 PM
The remaining topwood down to 4 inches was removed as pulpwood and firewood.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on February 12, 2013, 05:20:45 PM
This logger works with his wife and his iron mule forwarder. She also falls and bucks the sawlog trees. They produce for a major Lower Michigan sawmill. LC timber sale, 10/2012.


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: lumberjack48 on February 12, 2013, 07:39:54 PM
Thats where the money stays on the table, man and wife team. When you wake up in the morning you know where your helps is. If their not there, you have a big problem. :o
My wife ran skidder, fell, bucked up and limbed, i think you call this mill rights.

I sure hope they pay better then the Co. we worked for.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on February 15, 2013, 06:16:34 PM
Two sons work with their father in the logging operation. The sons do the felling and bucking while dad does the forwarding and product sorting at the landing. Samfilippo timber sale 2/13.


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: keen on February 15, 2013, 08:39:39 PM
Hey Ron good pics. Its a great thread you started. Nice to see some local logging. Looks like a beech in the upper photo? Cut some beech not to long ago. The mills I checked with didn't want any or wanted to pay pallet prices so it ended up going in the pallet pile and to the amish.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on February 15, 2013, 09:26:46 PM
Not a softwood tree in sight. No small trees either.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: treefarmer87 on February 15, 2013, 11:45:07 PM
Its always good to see handfelling and working with chainsaws :)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: lumberjack48 on February 16, 2013, 01:36:05 PM
This is the same way my father and me and my two brothers did it in the 60's. It involves a lot of labor, lifting and piling, compared to cable skidding. When we got a cable skidder, one guy run skidder, one fell and one bucked up. Then my father used the short wood dray to sort and pile on the landing.
Quote from: Ron Scott on February 15, 2013, 06:16:34 PM
Two sons work with their father in the logging operation. The sons do the felling and bucking while dad does the forwarding and product sorting at the landing. Samfilippo timber sale 2/13.


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on February 16, 2013, 05:05:16 PM
This threesome was very productive and didn't take much time to stop and talk. The boys had to keep right on cutting as the dad kept right up to them with his Fabtek 344B forwarder. ;)They are now done with the cutting and we are just waiting to get all the wood hauled off so we can close out the timber sale probably next week.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ken on March 03, 2013, 10:33:08 AM
Love this thread.  Been reading through it all again.  Heres a couple from the past week. 

The TJ 610 with a load of 8' studwood


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The old TJ 225 pushing up some poplar.  We use a powersaw and the skidder to cut and yard the bigger ugly trees that the harvester has a hard time with.

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Two trucks loading poplar last week.  The TJ 608 harvester sitting idle at the landing getting some fuel and grease.


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on March 03, 2013, 10:38:43 AM
I love this thread too. As I say this thread will keep you busy for a while. I would like to see more pictures added to this thread.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: treefarmer87 on March 03, 2013, 12:25:27 PM
ken, how big is that 610? looks like the newer 230 forwarders? I like this thread too.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Jamie_C on March 03, 2013, 12:27:01 PM
the 610 replaced the older 230 machine, they gave it about 1/16" more cab room then the old 230's so needed to give it a new model number ... lol
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: treefarmer87 on March 03, 2013, 12:38:49 PM
they look like a nice machine :)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: snowstorm on March 03, 2013, 12:40:31 PM
Quote from: Jamie_C on March 03, 2013, 12:27:01 PM
the 610 replaced the older 230 machine, they gave it about 1/16" more cab room then the old 230's so needed to give it a new model number ... lol
you mean its a tight fit?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Jamie_C on March 03, 2013, 12:40:54 PM
They are tough machines and pretty basic but the design doesn't lend itself to operator comfort
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Jamie_C on March 03, 2013, 12:43:10 PM
Quote from: snowstorm on March 03, 2013, 12:40:31 PM
Quote from: Jamie_C on March 03, 2013, 12:27:01 PM
the 610 replaced the older 230 machine, they gave it about 1/16" more cab room then the old 230's so needed to give it a new model number ... lol
you mean its a tight fit?

I believe a Real Estate Agent would call it "cozy" ... lol

If you aren't careful turning the seat around you will smash your kneecaps off on the parking brake lever, plus if you want to bring anything into the cab with you that is bigger than your shadow then you could be out of luck .. lol
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: sawguy21 on March 03, 2013, 01:39:43 PM
No place to put your lunch?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ken on March 03, 2013, 05:41:34 PM
The 610 does not the most spacious cab but overall this machine (my first forwarder)has treated me very well and works every day.  The load is a little better than 4 cord.  There are times that I would like a forwarder with a larger cab and automatic tranny but Rome wasn't built in a day and my funds were limited when I was searching for equipment. 
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: treefarmer87 on March 03, 2013, 08:25:07 PM
a load of grade oak to go to Lindsey Hardwoods in Farmville, Va.

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Offthebeatenpath on March 04, 2013, 01:36:34 PM
On the smaller side of things, here's a minute long video showing my little skid steer pulling out white pine. You can see how narrow the skid road is as well as thinned and unthinned sections of the tract.  The flag line is wetlands setback and the blue trees are slated for removal.

http://youtu.be/OSr9Dqant0o

Here are a couple photos of the yard as well.


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This was one of the first loads of saw logs to go out.
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You can see from the treeline in the background that the tract was thinning out by this load. I was bringing the trailer load of fir to a different mill with my one ton because there wasn't a full wheeler load of it and I wasn't going to leave it on the landing...
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on March 04, 2013, 01:43:54 PM
Very typical set up of a logging truck in Maine.
What was you using that long bar for? don't see any trees there that you needed it for? The bar looks 4 feet long.  :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Offthebeatenpath on March 04, 2013, 01:56:40 PM
I don't use that saw, I just carry it around and put it in photos to make me look tough...

No, it's only a 28" bar -sitting on some of the smaller spruce and fir logs makes it look bigger.

There was a lot of really wonky (mostly pulp) 24-32" pine on that lot.  I didn't like getting on the bad side of the tree, so the long bar was helpful in not having to cut from both sides on each big tree.  Even with that bar though, I had to work both sides on some of 'em.

Jed
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on March 04, 2013, 02:05:24 PM
I got a 28 incher too. I guess I need to put it on a pile of small wood too.  ;D Have not used it for years.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ken on March 04, 2013, 06:08:19 PM
That tandem truck would be extremely overweight here in NB even without road restrictions which were put in place this morning  :(. 
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Woodhauler on March 04, 2013, 06:22:24 PM
Quote from: Ken on March 04, 2013, 06:08:19 PM
That tandem truck would be extremely overweight here in NB even without road restrictions which were put in place this morning  :(.
Looks like a nice legal load to me Ken!  ;D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Jamie_C on March 04, 2013, 07:57:54 PM
Quote from: Ken on March 04, 2013, 06:08:19 PM
That tandem truck would be extremely overweight here in NB even without road restrictions which were put in place this morning  :(.

Here in NS a load like that would likely be a fine of over $1000 if you got caught and depending on which mill you might even be told not to come back. Back when Mactara was still operating if you weighed in heavy 3 times the truck got suspended from delivering for awhile, if it kept happening even the wood producer would get penalised.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on March 04, 2013, 08:03:39 PM
 Looks like two typical loads to me.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: chevytaHOE5674 on March 04, 2013, 09:11:27 PM
Its all good until you get busted. Have plenty of trucks that haul for me that have gotten 1000+ dollar tickets plus having to unload logs on the side of the road someplace to get under legal weight, then having to come back for those logs on another trip making you lose even more money. 164k is the max gross legal weight here but I've seen plenty of trucks scale out at over 200k, good friend of mine has been trucking for about 50 years and said he used to run overweight all the time thinking he was making more money, after a few tickets, and the increased wear and tear on tires, brakes, axles, bearings, suspension, frames, etc he said he found that running legal weight he actually finished the year with more money in his pocket.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: isawlogs on March 05, 2013, 08:13:04 AM
 You would not make it far here with a load like that, or the configuration of the truck.
there's not only the wear on the truck that one needs to take into acount, the roads take a beating from all the extra weight and that cost hurts everybody, not only the owner operator.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Stephen Alford on March 05, 2013, 09:24:41 AM
   In and around the city of Charlottetown we have 3 police forces, municipal,RCMP, and DOT.  When moving wood on truck or trailer the one thing they all look for is tie down straps. Two every eight feet.  The three inch strap seems to please them all. Some you ratchet with a bar , some have a handle.


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on March 05, 2013, 09:32:01 AM
The guys that are saying that is not a legal size load and truck not legal either,got pictures of trucks in you area that are legal?
I'm not trying to beat a dead horse,  ;D but I see loads and trucks like that every day. I have no idea the weight he's hauling,but if I stood on the cornor where the paper mill is,I could take 100 pictures just like that. The state roads are not posted for weight so the wood can be moved. Some guys will save a job on a state road.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Stephen Alford on March 05, 2013, 09:52:53 AM
  The morning I hauled this load did not know it would be my last. The Mill is gone .
 

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on March 05, 2013, 09:57:40 AM
I'm trying to figure all this out.  :D  Is that all you can haul to be legal? Or was that all you had cut?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: chevytaHOE5674 on March 05, 2013, 10:04:57 AM
Just because you could take a picture of 100 of them doesn't necessarily mean its legal. Like I said I know plenty of guys that scale out at over 200k and do it almost everyday. Seen a load or two at over 250,000lbs (that's almost 100k overweight, or the weight of a normal semi/van trailer combo).

Is it legal? No.
Are they getting away with it for now? Yes.
Are they tempting fate? Yes.
Are they putting extra load on the truck? Yes
Are they putting extra strain on our already crappy roads? Yes
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Offthebeatenpath on March 05, 2013, 10:06:42 AM
Stephen-

What do you mean the mill is gone?  For the season? For ever?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on March 05, 2013, 10:09:54 AM
No expect with trucking.just saying that's the way it is done without 10 axles under it as you guys do it. These trucks are being weighted beside the road,every so often too. If they was overloaded those weight guys would be all over them after a while.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: chevytaHOE5674 on March 05, 2013, 10:19:58 AM
Here is a load that if I remember correctly scaled out at 250,000lbs. That's close to 100k over weight. He hauled many loads like that off a job and got away with it. Legal? Heck no. But he got away with it. At least in Michigan there are lots more trucks on the road than there are DOT guys, so your odds of getting away with it are pretty good. But every now and then the DOT guys will get a bug in their behind and will sit right outside a mill and stop just about every truck. Word travels fast on the CB and the trucks stop showing up.

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on March 05, 2013, 10:23:22 AM
WOW!! Like to see the trucks in your area. That truck looks longer than the trucks here. Nice looking logs. What kind?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: chevytaHOE5674 on March 05, 2013, 10:27:14 AM
Red Oak.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ken on March 05, 2013, 06:47:19 PM
Before our road restrictions went on yesterday a 3 axle trailer such as ours can be licensed for 49 500kgs (109 000lbs).   Most roads except for the major highways put on a max 80% limit for the next couple of months. Some of the major highways are still 100%.  The load pictured below weighed in at a little over 52 000kgs             (114 000lbs).  That is what we generally try to haul.  Overweight by a little bit nearly every trip down the road but not enough to draw too much attention. 
I only know of one tandem truck locally with a loader at the back of the cab.  I'm not sure what he can license for but I suspect only about 6 cord of softwood.  Most tandem trucks also pull a pup trailer.

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: snowstorm on March 05, 2013, 07:43:25 PM
is that small red heart fir studwood?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: LOGDOG on March 05, 2013, 10:03:39 PM
What an awesome load of wood ChevytaHOE5674! That would have been a nice looking load of wood to have on a truck at Logging Congress up there. Looks like a Western Star?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ken on March 06, 2013, 04:15:24 AM
Quote from: snowstorm on March 05, 2013, 07:43:25 PM
is that small red heart fir studwood?

That load is spruce/fir pulp going to a newly reopened OSB mill.

Cheers
Ken
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Stephen Alford on March 06, 2013, 08:27:39 AM
   Cfarm here the definition of legal pretty much boils down to, will you be stopped and if so fined ?   Years ago I was told that for the most part  that is pretty much determined by  "visual impression" and by the reputation of the truck.   With a little effort you can get by.  I have never been stopped or fined so that has led me to believe that it works. But  to keep it in perspective I have never tried to cross the Provincial scales off Island.  Different truck specs allow for more weight. For example they look for trucks with a heavier front. Here they check to see if you have two steering cylinders on the front axle. Then with bigger tires you can have more weight on the front axle.  Woodhauler or snowstorm could give you a better answer than I.  As Ron has said to stay in business and make a living it has to be market driven. Then you have to get your product to the buyer.
   Jed, the stud mill shut down a couple of years ago and dismantled. At one time  pulpwood used to be barged over to Newfoundland.  Wood harvested here is hauled to NB, NS and to Main. There is a mill that plans to reopen in NS and wood is being bought and stock piled in a pit here. It is my understanding that it will be hauled to NS when the ferry starts up in the spring.
   Years ago when we were hauling tree length spruce to a mill in Main the trucker phoned around 2 pm said the load was refused. Told him to pull in behind the big Irving truck stop and stay there till he saw a lot of traffic going by indicating a shift change at the mill. Then beat it back to the mill. Sure enough load gone.   :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Offthebeatenpath on March 06, 2013, 12:14:21 PM
Stephen,
Guess you gotta do what it takes- good story.  Too bad there's no mills on PEI, but a mill in NS is better than Newfoundland!
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Stephen Alford on March 06, 2013, 02:21:24 PM
  Well Jed the word that still sends shivers is "temporary closures". Back then as a wood producer it was hard to know what to do.  Before the age of the internet, decisions  were based on pretty limited information.  When a mill shut the gate it was on to the next. As production overtakes demand things get bad in what seems like a heartbeat. Specs go up and prices down.  Lots of good folks lost gear,homes and with the added financial stress some lost families.  Things seem to have stabilized .  We can only hope for better days.
   Enjoyed your video, are the hydraulic filters still stuck out and vulnerable . That would work good on urban lots.  When you get that skidder up and running I think you will find it works well on those sites.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Offthebeatenpath on March 06, 2013, 03:48:45 PM
Stephen, it seems to be the ebb and flow of all things.  I speak as much from family stories as I do from my own life.  I'm not seasoned enough to feel like I can say that from experience, but my family has been on the same piece of land for going on 250 years now.  It's taken some sacrifice to keep our little piece intact... but I'm getting off topic from the thread.

Just delivered the head, crank, and block back to the shop from the machinists for the 440D.  Should start putting the pieces back together tomorrow.  The hoses on the ASV are still exposed.  I switch between that bucket and a grapple that has the same issue.  Ripped the hoses off with a branch last year.  But yeah, it's good for small lots, backyards, etc.  I do quite a few small jobs- hazard tree removal, pulling firewood for landowners off their land, etc.  If I can charge by the hour, then I know I can do okay.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Stephen Alford on March 06, 2013, 06:52:27 PM
  For a lad of your age you seem to have a pretty broad skill set. What I have enjoyed most over the years is site reclamation projects.  This can be done for yourself or developers. Removal of derelict structures, tires out of streams, maybe a bridge, walking trails, habitat enhancement and general woodlot improvement. With what you have  and a log loader on a trailer I think you would be good to go.   Somehow add in some computer apps and digital photography.  You thought you could get off topic.   8) 8)  :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ryan D on March 07, 2013, 07:07:24 PM
 

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Couple pics from my last job. Commercial thinning 45 year old Red Spruce. 1st pic is the finished product, 2nd is a nice Yellow Birch that was released and the last pic is a section of new road that we cleared for the landowner.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ken on March 07, 2013, 07:48:45 PM
Nice looking job Ryan D.  How much volume was removed and what type of equipment was used?  Whereabouts in NS?  Always love to do those types of jobs when the economics allow. 

Cheers
Ken
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: redneck logger on March 07, 2013, 08:41:13 PM
Hey Ryan D its not hard to tell that you take pride in everything you do keep up the good work and where abouts in Nova Scotia is that, im from Pictou County.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ryan D on March 07, 2013, 10:29:47 PM
Quote from: Ken on March 07, 2013, 07:48:45 PM
Nice looking job Ryan D.  How much volume was removed and what type of equipment was used?  Whereabouts in NS?  Always love to do those types of jobs when the economics allow. 

Cheers
Ken

We averaged around 10cords/acre of mostly studwood. The road clearing did put that average up a bit. I had funding for the commercial thinning and we also did some crop tree pruning which helped out with the economics. The woodlot is in Lunenburg and we did all of the skidding with my Kioti DS4510 and Farmi 501 winch. It isapretty slow setup and I'm going to buy a forwarding trailer sometime soon. We mostly do PCT work though, the logging is just a way to stay busy in the winter. I enjoy it the most though.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on March 08, 2013, 09:32:04 AM
How many hp is that Kioti again? A forwarder trailer is nice to have. looks good.  ;D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ryan D on March 08, 2013, 01:00:00 PM
45hp tractor. I'm just waiting for silviculture season to start and I am going to pull the trigger on a Metavic 1150 trailer.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: grassfed on March 09, 2013, 03:06:31 PM
This is a video of me cutting some trees on my WHIP cut. I am wedging back leaning trees using some GOL techniques. This was Friday morning.http://youtu.be/J8LFMQMasTI (http://youtu.be/J8LFMQMasTI)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: beenthere on March 09, 2013, 03:30:50 PM
Good video, and thanks for posting it.
Looks like great weather for cutting some trees. If we had less snow, this would be a good day to be out.
But I don't enjoy climbing up on deep snow much at all.   :)  It is like one long, long stairway.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: grassfed on March 09, 2013, 03:45:29 PM
I only plowed the driveway 2 times this year. It has been cold though and the place I am cutting tends to get wet. It is frozen solid this year 8)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Peter Drouin on March 10, 2013, 07:35:01 AM
Nice job grassfed
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: grassfed on March 10, 2013, 04:17:04 PM
Thanks beenthere and Peter. Here is a shorter 4x speed version. Its kind of funny with the music my wife suggested. ;D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlJjjvxBiSw&feature=share&list=UUym4bgf95og-g7FdNER2CBg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlJjjvxBiSw&feature=share&list=UUym4bgf95og-g7FdNER2CBg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 240b on April 11, 2013, 04:17:56 PM
Me a couple saws the skidder and loader.

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: PAFaller on April 11, 2013, 05:00:18 PM
240b, where was this picture taken? looks like a lot of areas here in PA. What are you running for a loader?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 240b on April 11, 2013, 06:17:42 PM
picture is at home in central vt    my loader is a '95 180d  the 240 is a '95 also..

 



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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ken on April 11, 2013, 06:30:13 PM
Very nice looking "Jack" but where's the door?  Although I worked without a door for many years after getting one it was hard to do without. 

Nice bunch of hardwood logs as well.  We seldom get to cut quality hwd logs on private land here. 
Cheers
Ken
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: PAFaller on April 11, 2013, 06:50:30 PM
Have you ever had any problems running rings on the rear of your machine? Not to get this thread off topic, but I was told by a few people that running rings on the back in real rough ground was hard on the no spins in the axles, seeing as there is quite a lot of weight on them with a big hitch sucked up tight. I like that loader alot, been thinking that will be my next purchase. I think the convenience of being able to sort would be great, even if it doesnt ultimately add to the production. Real nice looking setup for sure.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 240b on April 11, 2013, 07:20:45 PM
Ken, the door came off because the beech regen was so thick I couldn't get it open (or closed) most of the time in that stand,but yes the door is usually on. I don't think I would want an open cab again, I had one for years. I do cut a bunch of junk also.   this was last summer on the same property, nice stuff, huh.



 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/20675/100_0153.JPG) 


PAFaller, never had a problem with the rings on the back, the rear end has a diff lock, not a no-spin,which might not like all that traction. The skidder will not steer on steep frozen ground with ring chains on the front. (If the tires were loaded it would probably work,just not enough psi to force the caulks into the ice.     Locally, the ground we have is a lot like WV.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: PAFaller on April 11, 2013, 09:00:02 PM
Good to know. Not sure exactly where you are in VT but Ive seen a lot of the state, my wife has family up around the Randolph area. We usually try to get up there and see our nieces at least once in the summer, and Ive attended the expo in Essex Junction 2 or 3 times. Are the markets holding pretty steady up there?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on April 19, 2013, 09:49:33 PM
International Skidder S7C
Looked like it was just being used for firewood.



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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: JohnM on April 20, 2013, 08:41:55 AM
Quote from: thecfarm on April 19, 2013, 09:49:33 PM
International Skidder S7C
Looked like it was just being used for firewood.



 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10436/internationalS7Cthecfarm2013.jpg)

Is that a 'chip' outta that plow (I'm sure it's not a 'plow' ::))?  And the tire chain is missing a link or two.  Seems that sucker has been used hard. :o :)

JM
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on April 20, 2013, 09:13:57 AM
Yes,John,that is a chunk out of the blade. good eye on the missing linK. He had a bunch of D rings holding things together. But I see he had the winch covered on it.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: treefarmer87 on April 20, 2013, 11:35:54 AM
240b, I really like your loader and skidder
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: PAFaller on April 20, 2013, 04:14:04 PM
That cut out in the blade isnt uncommon. It may have been done on purpose, many guys cutting softwood in the winter would run the limbs off the trees with their skidders, at least the top and 2 sides anyways. Back when that machine was brand new most of the wood was still cut with chainsaws and yarded with cable machines. As mechanization took over you dont see that as much anymore, most big crews have stroke delimbers or pull thrus on the landing loaders. Or have graduated to CTL technology and the processors do it all.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on April 23, 2013, 08:49:33 PM
The guy that cuts for me is trying out a new JD 1510E 8 wheel forwarder, 6 cly.
This pictures has no tracks on it. They came and put tracks on it.


 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10436/jdforwarder1thecfarm2013.jpg)

This is showing the cab swings with the boom.



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I went for a ride in it today.That is quite the unit.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: snowstorm on April 23, 2013, 08:59:31 PM
is it new? or the almost new one that milton cat had?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 1270d on April 23, 2013, 08:59:37 PM
1110e looks like
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on April 23, 2013, 09:06:28 PM
I thought it was a 510E. That was on the side. I forgot where he got it from. I pretty sure it was brand new. I looked at real hard on Saturday and not a scratch on it,the bunks looked like they was never used.

Edit,I forgot the "1" should be 1510E.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on April 23, 2013, 09:10:15 PM
And now the old stuff,a Timber Jack



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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 1270d on April 23, 2013, 09:20:28 PM
JD does make an 810e but it has 4 cyl.  The crane is mounted on the cab half of the machine.  There is also 10 11 1210 e.  1110 is the smallest with a six     cyl.  Maybe its one off or something new
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on April 23, 2013, 10:06:16 PM
I went back through my pictures before I downsized them,it is a 1510E,for sure. I forgot the "1" I will go back and fix the past posts.  ;D And you know the worse part,I have it as 1510E in my gallery. Somehow from the gallery to post I forgot the "1".
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 1270d on April 24, 2013, 09:15:07 AM
That's a pretty good size machine.  Very nice.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on April 24, 2013, 09:26:07 PM
The guy with the new JD forwarder has this Cat havester with a fixed head on it. He has another havester,but I can not remember what kind it is.



 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10436/cathavestergeorgethecfarm2013.jpg)

The sawdust is a flying



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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Corley5 on April 24, 2013, 09:37:26 PM
Cat's Fabtek  :)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on April 25, 2013, 08:23:48 AM
He does have a Fabtec forwarder. The JD might take it's place.
This logger is a real nice guy. He was cutting here and I asked if he was going to cut any cedar to kinda push it off to the side and I would get it with my tractor. He did better than that,he brought it right down to the sawmill. I went up to see the new JD forwarder and I was in riding inside and I mentioned the dead white pine that was cut with the harvester. They are going to forward it out for the land owner to burn for firewood.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: beenthere on April 25, 2013, 10:47:59 AM
thecfarm
Prolly a lot easier to move it out, than to "push it off to the side" where it still can be in the way.

Were the pics taken in your timber?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on April 25, 2013, 01:47:28 PM
None of these on my land. Some would not bother with bringing it out. The ceder was not in one area. So it was"pushed off to the side" to be picked up at a later time. It was all brought out in one load.
Just like the dead wood I mentioned. there would be a live trees and a dead one. He picked up the live trees and left the dead ones. I suppose he will go back and pick the dead stuff up all at one time,the same way he did the cedar.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: coxy on April 25, 2013, 08:27:07 PM
Quote from: beenthere on April 25, 2013, 10:47:59 AM
thecfarm
Prolly a lot easier to move it out, than to "push it off to the side" where it still can be in the way.

Were the pics taken in your timber?
is prolly like an ex ;) ;D ;D  just pokeing a little fun :)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on May 02, 2013, 09:44:59 PM
I saw this while driving down the road.
    Valmet 546 haverster



 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10436/valmat546havesterthecfarm2013.jpg)



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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: semologger on May 11, 2013, 10:59:37 AM
the only thing i can see is about all the new machines is you have to be a computer wiz to work on it. i would like to see them last like the old timberjack you posted. but they will be in scrap yard while the timberjack prob be around still.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: snowstorm on May 11, 2013, 11:13:15 AM
Quote from: semologger on May 11, 2013, 10:59:37 AM
the only thing i can see is about all the new machines is you have to be a computer wiz to work on it. i would like to see them last like the old timberjack you posted. but they will be in scrap yard while the timberjack prob be around still.
computer wiz yes you have to be. will they not last no. i looked at a 911 valmet a while ago that had 36,000 hrs on it in real nice shape
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: grassfed on May 11, 2013, 02:41:01 PM
Quotelooked at a 911 valmet a while ago that had 36,000 hrs on it in real nice shape

If I calculated right that would be 4 years 1 month and 10 days +- without ever turning the machine off.

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ken on May 12, 2013, 06:54:55 AM
Quote from: semologger on May 11, 2013, 10:59:37 AM
the only thing i can see is about all the new machines is you have to be a computer wiz to work on it. i would like to see them last like the old timberjack you posted. but they will be in scrap yard while the timberjack prob be around still.

Any machine can last a long time given proper maintenance and care.  The more modern harvesting machinery has only been around for the last 25 years or so.  I would bet that the well maintained units will be operational for many years to come.  My harvester (unknown hours) and porter (29000 hours) are both 15+ years old and chug along every day.  Harvesting machines are just big hunks of iron with motors, hydraulic systems and some sort of drive train.   Replacing parts on them is no different than repairing old skidders. 

At one time I thought that skidders were the only way to harvest wood.   My body began to tell me otherwise after 20+ years of conventional harvest work.  Although we still use a skidder for some work I suspect it will never be my primary piece of harvesting gear ever again.

More efficient machines make our industries more competitive.  I don't see too many farmers still sitting on a stool beside a cow pulling teats in order to fill their milk quota.   

Cheers
Ken
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: german.logger93 on May 16, 2013, 08:18:23 AM
Hey guys,
I´ve got some pics from Germany for you..

 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/31187/IMG_0966.JPG) 

 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/31187/IMG_0973.JPG) 

 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/31187/IMG_0023.JPG) 

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 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/31187/IMG_0487.JPG) 

 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/31187/IMG_0793.JPG) 

 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/31187/IMG_0816.jpg) 

 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/31187/IMG_0978.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: german.logger93 on May 16, 2013, 08:30:16 AM
 

 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/31187/IMG00030-20110112-1038.jpg) 

 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/31187/IMG00033-20110112-1227.jpg) 

 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/31187/IMG00047-20110124-1424.jpg) 

 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/31187/IMG00065-20110329-1140.jpg) 

 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/31187/IMG00110-20110902-1631.jpg) 

 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/31187/IMG00129-20111018-1348.jpg) 

 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/31187/IMG00138-20111026-1003.jpg) 

 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/31187/IMG00142-20111026-1107.jpg) 

 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/31187/IMG00177-20120119-1134.jpg) 

 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/31187/IMG00177-20120119-1134.jpg) 

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I hope you´ll enjoy my pictures..

Also check out our homepage: www.forstunternehmen-reith.de
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on May 16, 2013, 10:31:02 AM
Thanks for posting all those pictures, German logger. I always enjoy seeing how things are done in other areas.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ken on May 16, 2013, 07:05:39 PM
German Logger

Thanks for sharing the pictures.  I too enjoy seeing how things are done elsewhere.  I do have a question though.  What is the machine in the 2 pictures before the last one?  It looks like a skidder with a crane.  Some sort of clambunk perhaps?  I thought I have seen most forest machines in action but that one is a mystery! :P

Cheers
Ken
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on May 16, 2013, 09:25:22 PM
Nice pictures.  ;D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: german.logger93 on May 17, 2013, 01:40:05 AM
@ ken
You are right, it is a skidder. It´s a Franklin skidded with a crane. In Germany the most skidders are modified with a crane cause the normal grapple skidders are senseless in Germany. We havn´t got enough space for them in the forest´s so we have to use cranes. If i can find a pic of the back of the skidder I´ll post it here. You´ll see than how it works.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: german.logger93 on May 17, 2013, 04:15:19 PM
 

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: PAFaller on May 17, 2013, 10:20:42 PM
You guys sure have some cool toys over there. Ive watched some videos of older 240 Timberjacks with the big butt plate and two winches. Always thought that would be kinda handy to have, you could either sort out your skids or at least work off both sides of a trail without kinking the cables every which way. If you dont mind my asking, what brands of conventional type skidders can you still get in Europe?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: arbo71 on May 18, 2013, 01:34:19 AM
Quote from: PAFaller on May 17, 2013, 10:20:42 PM
You guys sure have some cool toys over there. Ive watched some videos of older 240 Timberjacks with the big butt plate and two winches. Always thought that would be kinda handy to have, you could either sort out your skids or at least work off both sides of a trail without kinking the cables every which way. If you dont mind my asking, what brands of conventional type skidders can you still get in Europe?

There are still a few like Franklin, John Deere, Camox, Noe, LKT, HSM, Ritter, Welte and a few more I guess. Most of them come with a crane or get one before delivery. Even though cranes are very common over here HSM , one famous german brand placed a special crane- less type on the market last year: http://www.hsm-forest.net/hsm-805-s.html . 
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: arbo71 on May 18, 2013, 01:56:43 AM
Here is some more from Germany - me and some pinewood for chipboard: 



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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on May 18, 2013, 05:53:50 AM
Nice job stacking and thanks for the pictures.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on May 18, 2013, 09:07:08 AM
Nice looking piles  ;)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Kemper on May 18, 2013, 07:51:44 PM
I could look at those photos all day long.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 240b on May 18, 2013, 08:27:41 PM
In the third pic of the forwarder piling wood it looks like a masons line(string) strung out where the  front edge on the pile to be. wow thats planning. 
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on May 18, 2013, 08:34:47 PM
Good eye 240b.   :o   Now that you mention it,the fifth picture I see some too.
And I use to to enjoy seeing pictures of Southern logging.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on May 19, 2013, 12:23:39 AM
I just saw the string line, too. I guess it makes me not feel so bad, I usually get to make my piles on stumps and dozer spoil piles from punching the road in ::)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: arbo71 on May 19, 2013, 01:13:59 AM
The line is my cheap trick to make nice looking piles :)  Sometimes it´s very usefull and it only takes a few minutes to set it up.  Of course  I don´t do this for every little pile since I´m also able to do  without... :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: beenthere on May 19, 2013, 01:28:58 AM
Neat, straight piles are impressive, regardless how you get them that way. Good job.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ken on May 19, 2013, 08:05:49 AM
I like to take pride in my piles as well but they never look that neat.  Great job the truckers must love you.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: brendonv on May 19, 2013, 09:43:36 AM
Nice stack, wow.  Mine are always crooked and leaning. :D. Nice equipment, I love seeing what you have over there.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on May 19, 2013, 04:38:34 PM
I'm guilty of painting a dashed line once in a while. I usually put more effort into it when I'm forwarding a job on my own- we often have two or  more forwarders on the same job, all piling in the same piles. Then there is no sense in being that much neater than the other guy, I would just get frustrated ::)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 22, 2013, 12:16:29 PM
Crossover Vehicle from Chuck Ray's Blog.

http://gowood.blogspot.com/2013/05/canadian-conversion-logging-vehicle.html
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: semologger on May 31, 2013, 02:52:50 PM
i just bought a 511 ex hydro axe and was debating on buying a track machine with a processing head. but i bought mine for 20 and didnt think i would be able to find a cutter in that price range. a guy in the woods does pretty good just topping. i can finish up with the knuckle boom and delimber what he dont get
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Okrafarmer on June 07, 2013, 08:47:13 AM
Quote from: german.logger93 on May 16, 2013, 08:18:23 AM
Hey guys,
I´ve got some pics from Germany for you..

(photos deleted for brevity)

German.logger93, what brands are those farm tractors? Some of them look like John Deere and others like Case, Valmet, or Fendt. I can't read the names on them.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: hillsidevt on June 07, 2013, 03:29:16 PM
Quote from: Okrafarmer on June 07, 2013, 08:47:13 AM
Quote from: german.logger93 on May 16, 2013, 08:18:23 AM
Hey guys,
I´ve got some pics from Germany for you..

(photos deleted for brevity)

German.logger93, what brands are those farm tractors? Some of them look like John Deere and others like Case, Valmet, or Fendt. I can't read the names on them.

Looks like a Case IH and a couple Steyrs?..
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Okrafarmer on June 07, 2013, 06:14:06 PM
Yes, could be Steyrs. Forgot about them and several other European luxury tractors we don't see too often over here.  :-*

Still want a Lamborghini tractor for my birthday. . . .
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: VT_Forestry on June 25, 2013, 02:39:09 PM
This was something a little different for us...had a crew come in with a whole-tree chipper for a first thinning on some loblolly pine.  Pretty neat operation to watch.

This is a picture of one of the decks they cleared to make room for the chipper (there are a total of 10 different stands in this contract - 218 acres)

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/14567/thinning.JPG)

They are running 2 feller bunchers and 2 skidders on this job - this is a Tigercat 822 tracked buncher, don't see them running too often in this part of the state

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/14567/tracked_fellerbuncher.JPG)

Skidder pulling wood to the chipper

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/14567/skidding.JPG)

My kind of logging deck! (Well, it's a tool trailer, but still :) )

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/14567/chipping.JPG)

And of course, a logging job isn't complete without a small breakdown.  Ok, a pretty big breakdown...

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/14567/broken_loader.JPG)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 1270d on June 25, 2013, 05:29:26 PM
The whole swing bearing came apart???   Whew, glad I don't have to be involved.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ken on June 25, 2013, 06:26:11 PM
Quote from: 1270d on June 25, 2013, 05:29:26 PM
The whole swing bearing came apart???   Whew, glad I don't have to be involved.

I'll bet the operator got quite a rush.  I was standing beside a truck a few years back when the remaining bolts on a swing bearing broke and threw the loader operator quite a distance when the tower toppled.  He wasn't hurt but it sure shocked him. 

Quote from: VT_Forestry on June 25, 2013, 02:39:09 PM
This was something a little different for us...had a crew come in with a whole-tree chipper for a first thinning on some loblolly pine.  Pretty neat operation to watch.

VT Forestry  Do you get a lot of tree damage due to loose bark this time of year or is that not as much of an issue where you are?  During this time of year it is nearly impossible to due a thinning without scarring many of the leave trees

They are running 2 feller bunchers and 2 skidders on this job - this is a Tigercat 822 tracked buncher, don't see them running too often in this part of the state

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/14567/tracked_fellerbuncher.JPG)

There are several of those 822 Tigercats in this area.  Most are running CTL heads.  Very compact machine.  Thanks for the pics

Cheers
Ken
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on June 25, 2013, 06:49:32 PM
I suspect you would find that crews maintainence regimen to be lacking a bit :o
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 1270d on June 25, 2013, 08:26:35 PM
For sale. Used Peterson tree length chipper.  Cab and crane sold separately.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: beenthere on June 25, 2013, 10:54:25 PM
Quote from: 1270d on June 25, 2013, 08:26:35 PM
For sale. Used Peterson tree length chipper.  Cab and crane sold separately.

:D :D :D

(I was slow on that one !! )
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: VT_Forestry on June 26, 2013, 06:58:38 AM
Quote from: barbender on June 25, 2013, 06:49:32 PM
I suspect you would find that crews maintainence regimen to be lacking a bit :o

Oddly enough, they seem pretty good on their maintenance - I guess when things are gonna break, they're gonna break!

Quote from: 1270d on June 25, 2013, 08:26:35 PM
For sale. Used Peterson tree length chipper.  Cab and crane sold separately.

:D :D :D :D


Quote
I'll bet the operator got quite a rush.  I was standing beside a truck a few years back when the remaining bolts on a swing bearing broke and threw the loader operator quite a distance when the tower toppled.  He wasn't hurt but it sure shocked him.

He was pretty shook up.  The other guys were giving him a hard time, said when he came out of the window he looked like a squirrel flying out of a knothole in a tree when it's getting cut down - I guess he wasn't sticking around long enough to try and use the door...with 1050HP of chipping power running wide open, I can't much blame him  ;D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Jamie_C on June 26, 2013, 09:12:21 AM
Quote from: barbender on June 25, 2013, 06:49:32 PM
I suspect you would find that crews maintainence regimen to be lacking a bit :o

I suspect that they will be checking the bolts on the loader bearing a lot more often after this, funny he couldn't feel the loader moving on the bolts ... the cab should have had noticeable movement long before all the bolts let go
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Okrafarmer on June 26, 2013, 11:43:47 PM
Thirteen years ago I had to jump out of the way of a dump truck body that broke and fell over sideways under load. I jumped for cover and landed on my right shoulder, which I have had trouble with before that time, and ever since. My boots got covered up with gooey fermented corn silage. Thank God, nobody got hurt.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on August 29, 2013, 10:50:19 AM
This is a typical Maine truck,in my area, hauling 16 foot pulp heading for New Page in Framington,ME.



 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10436/thecfarmaug2013georgeslogging.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: logman81 on August 29, 2013, 10:57:19 AM
We have the same trucks around my neck of the woods.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on August 29, 2013, 11:37:32 AM
I wish we could move our wood 16', all of our mills are set up for 100" wood. This means you get to load a forwarder twice, basically, one bunk at a time ::) It would sure be faster handling long wood. About the only long wood we move is pine saw logs.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: logman81 on August 29, 2013, 12:03:37 PM
All the pulp wood around here is cut 21'.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Dave Shepard on August 29, 2013, 12:08:51 PM
That's typical for here as well. That one would look good in my yard. ;D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: wwsjr on August 29, 2013, 01:08:38 PM
All semi log trucks in my area. I saw one 10-wheel a month or so ago. Pine and hardwood pulpwood is hauled tree length down to 3" I think. Pine chip-and-saw 27' down to 10" top. Pine and hardwood sawlogs look to be primarily 12' and 16', two bunks on each trailer. I think some hardwood is cut to 10' for crosstie mills. 84,000 lbs gross with forest permit.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Maine372 on August 29, 2013, 05:03:43 PM
you should have taken a pic of the other side of the truck. unless they replaced the hood the left fender got ripped off when the truck was just a couple months old.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: chevytaHOE5674 on August 29, 2013, 05:19:09 PM
It's like half of a "real" log truck.... haha :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on August 29, 2013, 05:19:29 PM
There still is a short truck or two set up like that around here. But 99 % of the pulp wood is on TT as tree length. Some are self loaders, so shorter stuff there. At one time it was all 100" around here, even in Maine markets we had. Now most want random length, or tree length. ;D We even have oversized loads that are not highway legal. Real high and wide. I'm telling you they really sway back and forth on the road. Rock a bye baby........... :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on August 29, 2013, 09:04:51 PM
Maine372,George never told me about that one. The only one I know of was when Justin was coming out of the woods on a steep hill last winter and almost made it to the top and he lost traction and went backwards. George takes good care of his trucks and equipment. If something happens,it gets fixed and replaced. The left side looks just as good as the right side.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: gwilson on August 29, 2013, 09:34:12 PM
 These are some pictures of my own small crew operating in SC.


 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/29065/Summer_2013_161.JPG) 
 
Hydro AX 411B
 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/29065/Summer_2013_124.JPG)   
Oak Saw logs
 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/29065/Summer_2013_244.JPG) 
 Hardwood and Pine Pulp  :)
 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/29065/Summer_2013_095.JPG) Timberjack Making big pulls  ;D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: JLeBouton on September 13, 2013, 10:11:53 AM
 

 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/16830/IMG_20130906_120214_599.jpg) 

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: snowstorm on September 13, 2013, 04:12:56 PM
so are you telling us you are making the head for  barko now? fill us in
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: CTL logger on September 13, 2013, 06:07:25 PM
I believe I saw that in escanaba last weekend isn't the barko equipment repainted Puma equipment?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Corley5 on September 13, 2013, 06:18:08 PM
I saw it too  ;D  The head does look Fabtekish  ;) :)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: snowstorm on September 13, 2013, 08:17:22 PM
Quote from: CTL logger on September 13, 2013, 06:07:25 PM
I believe I saw that in escanaba last weekend isn't the barko equipment repainted Puma equipment?
it sure is
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 1270d on September 14, 2013, 09:48:12 AM
So is the head for sale to other manufacturers as well.  Like john Deere?  I heard there was trouble with the measuring system on the one you mounted on the Deere. 
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: snowstorm on September 14, 2013, 06:22:48 PM
will it be another 6 months before we get the rest of the story?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: semologger on September 14, 2013, 11:35:15 PM
is doing cot to length with a processor and forwarder much faster than tree length logging. i use a felller buncher skidder and a loader with a pull thru delimber. i would like to go to do all cut to length out in the woods. rather than tree length but dont think i can afford to make the change over. that would cost alot of money i dont have. also how well do the processors do in oak. i know of one timbco in my area and they use a 525 cat skidder to skid with.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 1270d on September 15, 2013, 08:12:34 AM
CTL is slower than a buncher job almost all of the time.  Some advantages of ctl are less ground disturbance and the ability to leave an better stand because of maneuverability.  For pure production though a hot saw, grapple combo take the prize
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on September 15, 2013, 10:23:58 AM
Quote from: 1270d on September 15, 2013, 08:12:34 AM
CTL is slower than a buncher job almost all of the time.  Some advantages of ctl are less ground disturbance and the ability to leave an better stand because of maneuverability.  For pure production though a hot saw, grapple combo take the prize
X2, another thing is that CTL equipment can often still work in conditions that shut conventional equipment down.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on September 15, 2013, 11:25:01 AM
We have very few stands that wouldn't just be clear cut out right, so you have to be in nice stands to be able to justify it. And the wood has to be more valuable than pulp prices. They work here rain or shine. I've seen them aloud to destroy roads in wet conditions on public land to keep the wood flowing. We often get on a thinning block in the fall and some block is up for logging on the way in, so much for the road. Just think of the ruts on the land. We find them, when thinning, every one. ::)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: semologger on September 15, 2013, 02:37:06 PM
thanks for the info very useful
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 1270d on September 15, 2013, 09:01:53 PM
That's unfortunate swamp donkey.  It doesn't do very well for our reputation.  The job I am currently cutting has a maximum rutting depth of eight inches, any more and we are shut down, or made to fix damage.  I try my best to lay good mat down in trails, but it is difficult when thinning to 80 ft2.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: JLeBouton on September 18, 2013, 08:11:35 AM
Quote from: snowstorm on September 13, 2013, 08:17:22 PM
Quote from: CTL logger on September 13, 2013, 06:07:25 PM
I believe I saw that in escanaba last weekend isn't the barko equipment repainted Puma equipment?
it sure is


The two roller head on the machine is new. The machine itself has been tweaked.  The measuring system on the yellow four roller has been sorted out, and the first one is sold, and headed to Vermont.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: snowstorm on September 18, 2013, 08:17:39 PM
Quote from: FABTEK on September 18, 2013, 08:11:35 AM
Quote from: snowstorm on September 13, 2013, 08:17:22 PM
Quote from: CTL logger on September 13, 2013, 06:07:25 PM
I believe I saw that in escanaba last weekend isn't the barko equipment repainted Puma equipment?
it sure is


The two roller head on the machine is new. The machine itself has been tweaked.  The measuring system on the yellow four roller has been sorted out, and the first one is sold, and headed to Vermont.
now its getting interesting. lets hear more
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: JLeBouton on September 20, 2013, 08:25:44 AM
The pictured Barko harvester is a new design. It's essentially nothing like the Puma. Took some video of the machine running. I'll try to get it uploaded soon. My videos are never all that impressive, as they are usually taken during the first few hours of the machine's life.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on September 20, 2013, 03:45:05 PM
Here's a little CTL work-

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11286/2013-09-11_15-15-54_886.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on September 20, 2013, 07:43:17 PM
...and more- here's the machine at the end of the woods road, the road was "slashed in" as it's called up here. I threw a bunch of tops, limbs, and a few whole trees across the trail to keep vehicles out, as per the forester's request.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11286/2013-09-18_16-10-50_697.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: snowstorm on September 20, 2013, 08:09:37 PM
Quote from: barbender on September 20, 2013, 03:45:05 PM
Here's a little CTL work-

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11286/2013-09-11_15-15-54_886.jpg)
nice looking wood pile
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on September 20, 2013, 08:24:19 PM
Thank you- I can't spend too much time tidying my piles, I try to make them so they are easy for the trucks to load out of. I hauled out of enough scrappy piles when I drove truck ;) I make them as neat as I can, as fast as I can :)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on September 20, 2013, 08:59:43 PM
Aspen and white spruce pulpwood-

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11286/2013-09-18_16-10-50_697.jpg)
Job finished, last look back 8) I've been driving almost 2 hours one way for this one.
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11286/2013-09-18_16-10-50_697.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on September 20, 2013, 09:05:43 PM
I don't know what the problem is, I keep posting the same pictures ::)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on September 20, 2013, 09:17:52 PM
Are these the ones,
Pulpwood picture


 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11286/2013-09-11_15-16-16_379.jpg)

Last look


 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11286/2013-09-11_19-47-29_229.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ken on September 21, 2013, 05:21:59 AM
Several truckloads in them piles.  Nice big landings make life convenient.  I'm some glad our pulpwood does not all have to be 8' anymore.  Most of ours is cut 16'.  I too would be very happy to see a job done that requires a 2 hr one way drive. 
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on September 21, 2013, 06:04:46 AM
Yes, it's surprising how much wood is sitting in a pile. Even what looks like a small pile. ;D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: keen on September 21, 2013, 12:23:15 PM
Nice pictures barbender, looks like a nice clean jobsite. If I could stack that good maybe my trucker would give me a better deal  :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on September 21, 2013, 04:59:32 PM
This was a job from this summer, our conventional crew cut this block (you can see the tree length piles in the background). They hand bucked the red pine logs and I forwarded them to the landing since I was on the same job. Pine markets are such in our area that logs don't pay as well as stud bolts, so if it is less than the 20" Max diameter that Potlatch accepts, it gets cut to 100" and sent to them. So all of these are over 20", 12-20' long. Poston, eat your heart out  ;D
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11286/2013-08-01_17-08-30_426.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on September 21, 2013, 07:00:29 PM
A few more- conventional landing, JD limber, JD 748 skidder, and a Cat skidder, I don't remember the model.
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11286/2013-08-01_17-15-17_517.jpg)
The Cat grabbing a small bunch as I forward wood out behind him, it's fairly unusual for us to work next to each other like this.
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11286/2013-08-06_10-56-04_670.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on September 21, 2013, 08:10:46 PM
Not all days are nice piles and big landings :(
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11286/2013-08-26_09-42-33_661.jpg)
It's not a big deal blowing a hydraulic line on the crane, but I sure dread the ones under the cab in the belly pan. It was about 95° that day, I know that won't get any sympathy from the southern members, but that's too hot for people that spend half the year below freezing ::)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: OneWithWood on September 22, 2013, 11:38:30 AM
Too hot to be messing with hydraulics.  What a sweaty job...
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: pineywoods on September 22, 2013, 01:42:53 PM
At least you were smart enough to scrounge up a hunk of cardboard to lie on while crawling around underneath. Nothing like wallowing around in hot oil soaked sand.  ;D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on September 22, 2013, 02:44:07 PM
Your right Piney, once my clothes get "hydraulic mud" on them they usually go in the garbage ::) So, it is nice to have something to lay on. That particular hose was the main supply line going to the valve block that feeds the crane functions, probably about 10 gallons sprayed out in the belly pan. I really hate losing toxic fluids on the ground like that, but there is really way to recover it when it happens that quickly :(
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: EricR on September 25, 2013, 03:36:01 PM
 

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my JD 350b and international 504 with primero trailer
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on September 25, 2013, 05:21:05 PM
That looks like a nice set up, EricR. Do you cut for yourself, firewood or a sawmill?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: clww on September 25, 2013, 05:35:11 PM
I like the looks of your setup, too, EricR. :)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on September 25, 2013, 05:51:23 PM
It would be tough to beat for low impact work ;)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on September 25, 2013, 08:40:30 PM
I like it.  And then some.  What year is the tractor? Hp?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Birchwood Logging on October 07, 2013, 12:07:40 AM
I currently am logging with a John deere 550a and use my cat skidd steer loader to load with I got 2 straight trucks a 600 and a 700 ford I am a small operation here in the Appalachian mountains of ky looking to get a bigger jd 700h dozer

 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/33951/image%7E0.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Birchwood Logging on October 07, 2013, 11:57:10 AM
A nice load of red oak 

 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/33951/image%7E1.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Birchwood Logging on October 07, 2013, 12:07:26 PM
My new toy just signed the papers today

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on October 07, 2013, 07:55:25 PM
I like that truck,year.motor? And the logs.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Birchwood Logging on October 07, 2013, 08:06:51 PM
It's a 79 f700 with a 3208 cat motor great little truck I love my old fords the logs where red oak some old growth timber I have another ford 600 I will post a pic of it
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Birchwood Logging on October 07, 2013, 08:11:54 PM
Pic of my ford f600 gasser 

 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/33951/image%7E5.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on October 07, 2013, 08:21:56 PM
Almost a pair.   :D  Not many trucks like that around here now. years ago the farmers use to put wooden stakes in thier small dump trucks and haul pulp. I can't remember the last time I saw a single axle truck hauling logs.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Birchwood Logging on October 07, 2013, 08:37:32 PM
That's all I haul with my self I have had better service out of the old f series than any other truck I have owned I have had the orange f600 sense 89 I also have a 91 ford f450 dump truck I haul short stuff on sometimes
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: sawguy21 on October 07, 2013, 10:17:07 PM
Don't even think about crossing our scales with those loads on a two axle truck. :o I remember dad needing help to cut oak lumber down to a manageable size, I always tried to find something else to do. :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: shortlogger on October 10, 2013, 01:28:20 AM
Nice to see there is still a few small guys left . I have hauled many a loads on my old single axle ford over the years .
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on October 10, 2013, 10:14:59 AM
Another CTL landing
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11286/2013-10-09_15-00-21_985.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on October 13, 2013, 10:23:29 PM
A load of hardwood sawlogs leaves the landing for the sawmill from a winter 2013 timber harvest.


 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/scan0001%7E5.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on October 13, 2013, 11:52:18 PM
That's a nice load of logs  :o
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: sawguy21 on October 14, 2013, 12:33:48 PM
Has he got enough axles? That is a nice load.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: shortlogger on October 14, 2013, 04:24:02 PM
Wow , I would hate to put a new set of tires all around on that rig $$$$$
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on October 14, 2013, 07:51:17 PM
Quote from: shortlogger on October 14, 2013, 04:24:02 PM
Wow , I would hate to put a new set of tires all around on that rig $$$$$
I think someone says that every time a picture of a Michigan truck is posted  :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: rfm7fxfox on October 14, 2013, 08:42:11 PM
 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/24043/IMG_20131013_104520_493.jpg)


My new office. Timberjack 450C
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: rfm7fxfox on October 14, 2013, 08:43:54 PM
 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/24043/IMG_20131008_111033_222.jpg)

Our little tree farmer C5
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: rfm7fxfox on October 14, 2013, 08:46:30 PM
 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/24043/IMG_20130814_124722_000.jpg)

The tractor trailer my pop hauls logs with. I'll have to get a pic of the peterbuilt log truck soon.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: rfm7fxfox on October 14, 2013, 08:54:24 PM
 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/24043/IMG_20131014_205208.jpg)

First peterbuilt log truck with 124 Prentice loader
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: smwwoody on October 14, 2013, 09:03:57 PM
those 450s were good machines.  I had a 460 for a short time and we wont go there

Nice looking trucks

Woody
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: smwwoody on October 14, 2013, 09:05:49 PM
Was that Pete built in Clearfield Pennsylvania by Hubbler Bros?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: rfm7fxfox on October 14, 2013, 09:09:56 PM
I believe it was. The other Pete he drives I know for sure did. Just picked it up from there about a month or so ago.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: smwwoody on October 14, 2013, 09:13:14 PM
I thought it looked like their work.  the shape of the standards and the Hydra head board gave it away. 

I grew up with those guys. they build great trucks

Is the new truck on their truck of the month web site?

Woody
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: rfm7fxfox on October 14, 2013, 09:26:09 PM
Not that I'm aware of...
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on October 15, 2013, 12:26:10 PM
Fabtek 344B Forwarder. Works a hardwood selection harvest this past winter  January, 2013.


 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/scan0001%7E6.jpg) 

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Clark on October 15, 2013, 01:21:35 PM
Ron - What species of tree is it that the forwarder is loading?  I presume the one on the ground is from the same tree...my guess is beech but since my experience with them is very limited it's a WAG at best.

Clark
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on October 15, 2013, 07:13:30 PM
Yes, American Beech.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: NWP on October 15, 2013, 07:19:43 PM
Those are nice looking trucks. I really like that Pete with the Prentice loader.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on October 15, 2013, 08:43:49 PM
That forwarder really caught my eye. I have never seen a short one like that around here.
You guys may have long trucks,but short forwarders.  :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: keen on October 15, 2013, 09:27:51 PM
Nice pic Ron. I like those fabteks. I see Jason Lutke has a 344b for sale right now.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on October 20, 2013, 09:06:00 PM
John Deere 1270E Processor. Getting ready to start a CTL pine and aspen harvest. A Ponsee Elk forwarder will be picking up the CTL wood behind  the processor. Dunn Timber harvest, September 2013.


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on October 22, 2013, 08:03:44 PM
 The Ponsee Elk Forwarder follows the John Deere processor in the CTL pine and aspen harvest. Dunn timber harvest, September 2013.


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: ga jones on October 25, 2013, 08:54:28 PM
My little log truck. Mixed hardwood Evans job aug2013

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: ga jones on October 25, 2013, 08:57:21 PM
My 1964 c4 treefarmer pulling a 42 inch red oak

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on October 25, 2013, 09:01:01 PM
You may have a little truck,but that loader looks big.  ;D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on October 26, 2013, 06:16:07 PM
Oak matts are placed across the wetland on the access and forwarder route to prevent excessive rutting and ponding by the CTL harvesting equipment.


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: JohnM on October 26, 2013, 10:26:59 PM
Quote from: Ron Scott on October 26, 2013, 06:16:07 PM
Oak matts are placed across the wetland on the access and forwarder route to prevent excessive rutting and ponding by the CTL harvesting equipment.


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Ron, are those mats 'tied' together (spikes, webbing, other?) or the cants just laid side by side?  And are they left to rot after the job?

JM
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: stumpjumper83 on October 26, 2013, 10:39:08 PM
Those look to be pipeline style mats that are 4' x 16' and 8" thick, and bolted together with 4 long bolts.  Yes, you usually save them for the next job as they are not cheap.  look up "pipeline mat" and you will see companies that specialize in producing, selling, and renting them.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on October 26, 2013, 11:46:50 PM
What Stumpjumper said. I was out the other day retrieving some with a grapple skidder, some areas we put them in with the skidder because our forwarders can only lift the mats right next to the machine, they are heavy.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on October 27, 2013, 09:02:08 AM
We are having a power line upgrade. I see them things 3 deep in places.  :o  I see truck loads of them things now. And stacked by the roads waiting to be hauled under the power lines. When all this is done,I would think those could be bought cheap.
They use to make them out of hemlock in this area. I was talking to a logger and he was selling hardwood,maple, to a place in New Vineyard,ME that makes them.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on October 27, 2013, 11:18:10 AM
Yes, they are the type mats used for pipelines and power lines. They are carried out to the job site on logging truck or flat bed, placed by the forwarder and then retrieved when the job is done for use elsehere. The are bolted or cabeled together in 6 x 20-22 foot oak plank sections.

A good time to get them is when the power or gas line company's are done with their use of them. They often give them away for the taking.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: JohnM on October 27, 2013, 06:57:26 PM
Good to know, thank you guys.  I've seen those on powerlines as well Ray, just couldn't tell if those were the same thing that Ron posted...they are a bit 'rougher' than I had seen. ;D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on October 27, 2013, 09:47:33 PM
The John Deere 1270E  processor works a CTL harvest in a red pine plantation. Bougrand timber harvest, October 2013.


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Various CTL products such as 22 foot hops poles (becoming popular with the increasing brew makers), small sawlogs, and pulpwood are cut and placed for the following forwarder to pick up and forward to the landing. 


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: WDH on October 28, 2013, 07:49:55 AM
Those are some straight logs.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Gary_C on October 28, 2013, 10:12:45 AM
Nice looking red pine stand Ron. Tell us more about the 22 foot hops poles. I've never heard about that product here. Are the volumes needed significant?

Gary
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on October 28, 2013, 10:17:10 AM
I grew some hops this summer. Did not do much last year,first planting,but they grew this year. We did not havest the fruit.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on October 28, 2013, 10:48:51 AM
The "hops poles" were a new product for me also. I wasn't aware of this market until this red pine producer had a market for them and started cutting them. I'm not that familiar with the growing of hops but I guess they need long poles up to 22 feet. With all the micro beer brewerys going in around here I guess that there is more demand for hops and the long pine poles necessary to grow them.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: beenthere on October 28, 2013, 11:08:49 AM
Googled "Hops growing" and several pics shown of the "pole" stand that the hops grow up.

one for instance
http://brewutah.blogspot.com/2011/01/start-hops-co-op.html

Appears to be a product that could withstand some hop-pole butt treatment with a preservative before it goes into the ground. Looks to be some real expensive layout that is involved.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Dave Shepard on October 28, 2013, 12:26:41 PM
There is a small hop yard where I used to work. Similar setup. Rows of poles with cables strung between them. They used locust poles.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ken on October 28, 2013, 06:16:40 PM
That's a nice stand of pine Ron.  I've never had an opportunity to work in planted pine.  I'm guessing a stand like that would lend to high production even in a partial cut. 
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: NWP on October 28, 2013, 07:26:25 PM
I had a guy call me a year or so ago wanting long black locust poles for something like that. I think he said he was growing grapes or something. I didn't have anything but I was curious why used light/telephone poles wouldn't work?  They would be a lot cheaper. Around here you can usually get them for free and they are still in ok shape.

In the link BT posted, it looks like they are using pressure treated poles.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on October 28, 2013, 10:51:54 PM
I had to pick up some mats today, sorry for more of my fuzzy through the windshield photos ::) This was an area on a haul road that had a swamp "flowage" through it.
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These things are heavy, you have to crowd right up next to the machine to lift them, even then the crane just barely lifts them over.
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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: OlympicYJ on October 29, 2013, 01:18:27 AM
In WA state we had allot of hop poles made out of alder, Alnus rubra. I don't know of any alder hop pole markets now; but back when my dad was in high school, mid 60's, him and my uncle cut some but they were mostly doing plug poles for paper rolls. The hop poles went to Eastern WA mostly around Yakima. They used to grow lots of hops and still do but don't know how much anymore.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Kodiakmac on October 30, 2013, 07:09:19 AM
Quote from: Tom on March 27, 2002, 05:49:22 PM
I've heard snowbird farmers talking about cutting their trees in the winter like this picture shows.  Then they say they go back in the spring and cut the 10 or 12 foot butt cut.  :D

HEEE, Heeeeeeeee......... :laugh:

That reminds me of what my Dad used to say if we didn't tramp down or clean out the snow around the butt before falling (felling): "When are you going to come back and get that cord?"
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on November 06, 2013, 06:17:11 PM
The John Deere 1270 Processor lays down various products in this CTL red pine thinning. A Ponsee Gazelle Forwarder will follow and remove the cut wood to
the landing for trucking.


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ken on November 06, 2013, 06:32:24 PM
Ron do you now what the pre and post harvest volumes were and let us know the age of the stand?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Mark Wentzell on November 07, 2013, 04:04:35 PM
I'm surprised they would be able to thin a red pine plantation with stems that size. all the rp plantations around here that I've seen don't have the crown size to even respond to a thinning when they reach that size. That stand looks really good though.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Dave Shepard on November 07, 2013, 06:04:25 PM
What is the red pine used for? We've got a bunch of it here on the farm. Other than 50 poles sold in the  '90's for a log cabin restoration, we've never found a viable market, or use on the farm, for it.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on November 10, 2013, 08:43:31 PM
Ken,

This is a 63 year old red pine stand. It was previously thinned about 13 years ago by removing every third row. Prior to this second thinning, the stand contained 12,500 trees at an average of .083 cords/tree for a 1,038 cords total volume. The basal area averaged 190-200 sq. ft.basal area.

The second thinning by a selection harvest took the basal area down to an avearge basal area of 90 sq. ft. 3,184 trees were removed for 265 cords harvested. Approximately
25 % of the trees were removed in this second thinning. It was primarily a thinning "from below" removing the worst first.

Dave,

Red pine is used for sawlogs and structural wood in the housing industry, cabin logs, utility poles, landscaping timbers, hops poles as in this harvest, pulpwood, etc. There is a good red pine market in this area.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on November 10, 2013, 10:10:31 PM
The Gazelle Ponsee Forwarder moves the red pine products for sorting at the landing. Bougrand timber harvest 10/13.


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ken on November 24, 2013, 08:30:49 PM
Time to bring this thread back up to the top

We are building a roadway through a 33 year old stand that was pre-commercially thinned in 1993.  Predominately balsam fir with some red maple and white birch.  Locally there are thousands of acres that will soon be available for harvest work again.  Although the piece size will be small these stands will be nice to work in due to their uniformity.

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The new roadway will be slightly more than a mile with 3 turnouts and 4 pipe installations.  We pile the grubbings to one side of the roadway, dig a trench for road bed material and then fill in the trench with the grubbings.

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One of the pipe installations required a no grub zone so we had to use a gravel truck to move enough material to cross this wet area.   

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Cheers
Ken
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on November 24, 2013, 11:00:53 PM
Neat project, Ken ;)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on November 24, 2013, 11:39:26 PM
Good photo documentation.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: redneck on November 27, 2013, 04:07:39 PM
Great looking road! Are you building the road to access a future harvest site? or were you hired just to build the road?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 240b on November 27, 2013, 05:29:42 PM
I work alone with my cable skidder and crane  These are from the summer and fall.

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ken on November 28, 2013, 04:29:39 AM
Quote from: redneck on November 27, 2013, 04:07:39 PM
Great looking road! Are you building the road to access a future harvest site? or were you hired just to build the road?
redneck   We are also cutting a bit more than a 1000 cord off the block at this time.  The company that owns it plans to wait another 5-10 years before harvesting the remainder.

240b  Nice pics except that second to last one.  It looks like it was a wet mitten day.  We sure don't get that quality of maple around here.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: br389 on November 28, 2013, 04:54:08 AM
Where abouts are you located?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Bobus2003 on December 29, 2013, 12:28:28 AM
Been a while since I've been on here, kept overly busy this past year building a business and specialty equipment. Bought some beasts of the forest. Tigercat 630B,  Tigercat 635, JD 648GII and a JD 748E... the 635:

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: kiko on December 29, 2013, 04:10:35 AM
Nice to hear from u again bobus , are logging or buying and selling equipment? If you need any help with those tigercats, let me know I may be of assistance.  They are well build but different from the rest. 
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on December 29, 2013, 09:22:29 AM
Don't see to many of them rigs in my area.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Stephen Alford on December 29, 2013, 09:31:16 AM
 Nor here.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Bobus2003 on December 29, 2013, 12:23:15 PM
Quote from: kiko on December 29, 2013, 04:10:35 AM
Nice to hear from u again bobus , are logging or buying and selling equipment? If you need any help with those tigercats, let me know I may be of assistance.  They are well build but different from the rest.

Still working for a utility construction company building all terrain cranes and diggers (pics of the completed rigs too come) and working hard at upgrading from the one man, saw and 440 to a fully mechanized operation. Got a boom delimber found, and maybe a Timbco, still figuring on a skidder. Just unsure what to get (working with those Tigercats was a game changer)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: redneck logger on December 29, 2013, 02:47:10 PM
Nice to see Bobus2003  back ,hope you can make a go of things that skidder is a neat-o beast,long ways since the old stroke head and  cable skidder good work :new_year: :new_year:
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: kiko on December 29, 2013, 09:49:44 PM
Why not get a knuckle boom, loader and delimiter, so much less maintain ace and expense of a stroker. Skilled operator meet mill specs around here without the auto measure day in day out. Even top size. That big skidder would work a stroke delimiter silly.  I have seen those  635 bring 13 to 15 ton per turn, but they don't  get around good picking up they wood, they need a small skidder dry decking at the main skid road. True story  A customer of mine half cut a track of same age wood with conventional delimbing equipment the other half was processed with a brand name harvester and the conventional crew cut out more logs than the harvester.  It was a bet and they flipped for which half got processed with what. More logs on the conventional side , maybe.  Operation skill me thinks. I do under stand southern logging is different and the methods are different.  So there is the disclaimer  for feeling the processor or stroker is a waste of time and money, cause they are around here. 
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Bobus2003 on December 29, 2013, 11:45:34 PM
Kiko, that 635 came out of Southern Georgia.. Its not a machine that can/could be used here very well. Most our timber sales are too small with leave trees to close. I bought it and had it shipped up here and we outfitted it with a 27' pressure drill.
I know what your saying about a boom delimber, especially after watching an operation in Florida/Georgia this summer, but the limbs we have on the P-Pine would tear up a knuckle boom and limber where the Timberline booms were built for these trees. My biggest problem currently is what brand of skidder to go after. I've ran many Deeres and really liked them so I thought a 648/748 would be good, but after seeing and running the Tigercat 630B I think one of them would be a big producer compared to the Deeres unless it was a 848..
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: kiko on December 30, 2013, 03:10:05 AM
Did you remove any of the grapple boom parts to fit the drill?  If so I might be interested in purchasing those parts from you employer if they are so inclined.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Bobus2003 on December 30, 2013, 09:46:57 AM
Kiko, PM Sent
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Mark Wentzell on January 02, 2014, 07:29:26 PM
I thought I'd put some pictures on here from some of our harvesting labs this fall.

First off is a john deere 700 series buncher working in a mixedwood clearcut.


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Whole trees were taken to roadside by an 848h grapple skidder.


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A 2054 processor delimbed and bucked at roadside. Not sure what Warratah head was on this machine. (Sorry for the Picture quality, it was a bright day)


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The logs were then sorted by a loader (No picture for that). There were 5 or 6 different  products being cut here. The smaller diameter stems were being chipped for hog fuel or pulp chips.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: JohnM on January 03, 2014, 09:43:08 AM
Quote from: Mark Wentzell on January 02, 2014, 07:29:26 PM
The smaller diameter stems were being chipped for hog fuel or pulp chips.
Showing my ignorance here but what is "hog fuel"?  Great pics/write-up, Mark.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: beenthere on January 03, 2014, 10:36:35 AM
Hog fuel likely (or can sometimes) mean it is being shipped to someone running a co-gen system, and burning the chipped (hogged) wood for heat and/or electricity.

Sometimes the chipper is referred to as the "hog".
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Mark Wentzell on January 03, 2014, 04:28:35 PM
Quote from: JohnM on January 03, 2014, 09:43:08 AM
Quote from: Mark Wentzell on January 02, 2014, 07:29:26 PM
The smaller diameter stems were being chipped for hog fuel or pulp chips.
Showing my ignorance here but what is "hog fuel"?  Great pics/write-up, Mark.

Hog fuel is basically the same as pulp chips except the bark, branches and leaves/needles are chipped as well. Like beenthere said it's used in cogen plants or burned for heat.

Next few are from a "commercial thinning" in a mixed stand of spruce and fir. There were two different methods used here, the first was a short wood system utilizing a kioti forester manufactured by payeur distributions out of quebec.


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The forester is a stock kioti tractor attached to a metavic forwarding trailer. The tractor has full rops canopy, belly plates, protection for the engine and a hydraulic winch.


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Mark Wentzell on January 03, 2014, 04:34:31 PM
The second method used here was a pair of draft horses (Belgians I think), pulling tree length. 


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on January 03, 2014, 05:05:05 PM
I bet those horses and a man that knows how to use a chainsaw can make a place look like no one has been there.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on January 04, 2014, 01:43:54 AM
I always enjoy seeing the low impact and especially horse logging. The 848 and monster processor were pretty cool too I guess ;) Keep it coming.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: MUDDY on January 04, 2014, 12:20:01 PM
logs layed out to be scaled and sold



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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: clww on January 04, 2014, 07:03:06 PM
Great pictures of those ponies, Mark! :)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Mark Wentzell on January 04, 2014, 09:58:26 PM
Quote from: barbender on January 04, 2014, 01:43:54 AM
I always enjoy seeing the low impact and especially horse logging. The 848 and monster processor were pretty cool too I guess ;) Keep it coming.
There's definitely applications for both. A lot of landowners like the horses and the tractor for how low impact they are. Both methods are also not that bad production wise, the forester put up about 10 cords for the day. And that was with a bunch of people all trying to learn how to run it, in really crappy wood. The horses put up less wood but I think we were slowing them down :D 
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on January 04, 2014, 10:16:16 PM
Yeah, quit petting the work horses :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: treeslayer2003 on January 05, 2014, 01:31:19 PM
 

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: treeslayer2003 on January 05, 2014, 01:32:19 PM
ha! it worked, I may have this figured out.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on January 05, 2014, 01:33:54 PM
treeslayer,are those logs you cut? What kind and where are the logs going to be used for.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: treeslayer2003 on January 05, 2014, 01:38:38 PM
nope, can't do it again
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: treeslayer2003 on January 05, 2014, 01:40:29 PM
Quote from: thecfarm on January 05, 2014, 01:33:54 PM
treeslayer,are those logs you cut? What kind and where are the logs going to be used for.
yes sir, yellow pine going to the mill. they will make large timbers from those. 12x12 and such. pics is kinda tricky here, just tryin show y'all what I do.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 1270d on January 05, 2014, 03:08:29 PM
Slayer your pics always have nice sticks.   

I just upload pics into my gallery, then copy and paste the link in the pic description into my post.  Found its the easiest way on a smartphone.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: clww on January 05, 2014, 06:51:35 PM
Those are some serious looking pines from the Eastern Shore. 8)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: treeslayer2003 on January 05, 2014, 07:10:17 PM
thanks guys, I have been fortunate to be in nice timber for a while. the big boys with cutters and delimbers don't really like to do selections so I do mostly stay in oversize. copy n paste, gotta try that.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: treeslayer2003 on January 05, 2014, 07:11:37 PM
Quote from: clww on January 05, 2014, 06:51:35 PM
Those are some serious looking pines from the Eastern Shore. 8)
yep, n you got some down yer way.....or ya did, I ain't been down there in a while. you ain't real far really.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Dave Shepard on January 05, 2014, 08:08:25 PM
Nice! 8) What will the timbers be used for? That's my kind of truckload.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: kensfarm on January 05, 2014, 09:01:25 PM
Treeslayer.. man those are some sweet looking logs..  I'll take a load of 8 to 12 footers..  your probably headed in my direction anyway!   ;D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on January 05, 2014, 09:16:28 PM
Those are beautiful logs!
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: treeslayer2003 on January 05, 2014, 09:30:14 PM
Dave, I have no clue but they pay better for the fat ones lol.
Ken, no pine goin yer way all hardwood goes north. we got little choice on pine now as only one mill left local.
thanks Barbender, we cut off at 52' now because of new length rules.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on January 05, 2014, 09:39:12 PM
Most of the pine logs up here go for power poles, Bell Pole is the name of the outfit that gets most of the logs. A few go for log homes, a lot less than there used to be after the housing crash. And I've never seen a load of logs like treeslayer's up here :o They look like perfect cylinders.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: clww on January 05, 2014, 09:57:53 PM
We usually cut ours at 16.5', unless it's a special order. We did a trailer load in November of some really clear pine trunks. I cut them all at 41' length, filling that trailer with only seven trees. :) On the small end, they had to be at least 16", and any size on the butt. Not sure where these were sold or what kind of $$$ they fetched.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on January 06, 2014, 10:04:01 AM
Basically, our pine markets are anything less than 20" is cut 100" for the Potlatch stud mill. A lot of beautiful logs are cut up 100" and sent there because they pay as much or more than log buyers, it's a hassle free wide open market, and they pay promptly. Oversize logs arr cut from 10'-20', with 16's being most common. When I referred to "logs" in my previous post what I meant was tree length. Either way, we have a lot of nice pine timber cut into 8' 2x4 because that's where the money is.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: missouriboy on January 07, 2014, 12:08:59 AM
This is a question for the guys with small operations like the guys who are one or two man crew who just have a skidder and some chainsaws. How do you get your skidder to the job. That might be a dump question just wondering. I have towed a timberjack 225 on a big gooseneck trailer with my f250. I know that was to much for a f250. But now we use the log truck with a home made trailer to haul the skidder around.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ed_K on January 07, 2014, 08:38:16 AM
My taylor weighs 20k so I hire a dropdeck @ $80. an hr.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Woodboogah on January 07, 2014, 08:45:16 AM
Yep same here I hire out the trucking to move my TJ240.  I wish I could find someone local at 80/hr.  THe cheapest I can find is 100/hr.  Adds up quick.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: logman81 on January 07, 2014, 08:45:39 AM
I have a guy with international dump truck and a 9tone tag along.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: NWP on January 07, 2014, 09:36:27 AM
 I haul a TJ 350 for a guy with my truck and trailer. It's a 10 ton trailer with removable log bunks.  When he bought the skidder, he hauled it from Minnesota to Missouri with a one ton dually and a gooseneck.



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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Bobus2003 on January 07, 2014, 02:28:35 PM
Haul my JD440 and 550G dozer on a 20k lbs GN flatbed with my F350.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: missouriboy on January 07, 2014, 07:19:06 PM
Bobus2003 what year f350 do you have.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ken on January 08, 2014, 08:28:08 PM
A couple pics from our latest job.   

Tree length cedar merchandised to a 4" top.  Longest ones are 35'

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Spruce logs heading out the trail

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Cable skidder and power saw used for larger hardwood

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on January 08, 2014, 08:39:59 PM
That's nice Cedar, Ken ;)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on January 08, 2014, 09:16:53 PM
Nice cedar. Mine's all rotten in the middle that size.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Bobus2003 on January 08, 2014, 10:27:08 PM
Quote from: missouriboy on January 07, 2014, 07:19:06 PM
Bobus2003 what year f350 do you have.

Currently a 2012 Reg Cab, used to use a 06 Crew cab, and a '99 F250 before that, pushed the limits of the F250 though.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: missouriboy on January 11, 2014, 04:18:59 PM
Bobus2003 whats the specs on your trailer. I am looking for one but don't know what I should get.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: JLeBouton on January 12, 2014, 03:51:50 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QL-cWCBLe08&feature=share&list=UUw9S4v_O3CXuYGlH19iMkTA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3niyYpWsCc&list=UUw9S4v_O3CXuYGlH19iMkTA&feature=share&index=1
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Bobus2003 on January 13, 2014, 04:04:16 AM
Quote from: missouriboy on January 11, 2014, 04:18:59 PM
Bobus2003 whats the specs on your trailer. I am looking for one but don't know what I shouuld get.

I have Longhorn 32'+4' gooseneck, 20k lbs rated, tandem Dexter 10k Oil Bath axles running duals.. and a Longhorn 20'+4' gooseneck, same specs
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: OlympicYJ on January 22, 2014, 10:05:46 PM
Don't know what beavertails or tilt decks are running around these parts but to move a big shovel on a lowboy (4 axle truck, 2 axle jeep, 2 or 3 axle trailer with a 2 axle booster) you're looking at about $600 a move. Why most loggers with allot of iron usually invest in a lowboy. They pay themselves off real quick. Especially if you run a hayrack when not moving machinery or you have one of the quick change 5th wheels or move for other outfits.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: hanstedtwr on January 27, 2014, 01:57:51 PM
Ron, have a  DC70d my self just wondering where this one is located. I'm in northern wi.  Have you seen many with processing heads on them the one I got has a 2 roller Fortec on it, a1300 model I believe.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: VTPettibone on February 01, 2014, 09:07:56 PM
Pettibone Master 12D Cable Skidder

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: sawguy21 on February 01, 2014, 09:37:04 PM
That beast looks very experienced. ;D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ken on February 02, 2014, 06:05:31 PM
A few pics of the current job we are on.   Harvester working in an area heavy dominated by cedar and spruce.

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Porter cleaning up area.  Notice the larger hardwood logs and pulpwood that was cut with a powersaw as they were quite large for the harvester to deal with.

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Load of tree length cedar.  Notice that this trucker has his self loader attached to the side of his trailer.  Only set-up I have ever seen like that. 

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Couple of loads of hardwood pulp headed to the mill that is less than 20 miles away.  Harvester is headed to the fuel trailer.

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on February 02, 2014, 06:19:19 PM
Looks good. I have never seen a self loader on the side like that. Could you please get a picture on the other side?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: clww on February 02, 2014, 06:20:49 PM
I've never heard of a loader mounted that way, either.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on February 02, 2014, 09:00:37 PM
I've never seen a side mount either, but it looks like an innovative way to solve a problem.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: sawguy21 on February 02, 2014, 10:49:34 PM
 ??? That load would get him pulled over here.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on February 02, 2014, 11:51:56 PM
I think it is all white cedar, I don't know if you can fit enough on to be overweight.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: danabg on February 03, 2014, 05:51:49 AM
I've seen sideloaders before on B trains for 8 ft pulp an d they were detachable.They would leave them at the site too reduce weight.That was 15 years ago,haven't seen one since,probably more trouble than they were worth I'm thinking.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: OntarioAl on February 03, 2014, 06:23:54 AM
Folks
Only way he can load shortwood or treelength and take the loader with the load. It is also the first time that I have seen such a setup
Al
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Maine logger88 on February 03, 2014, 08:30:24 PM
I'd also like to see a pic of the other side I'm curious about how its mounted?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ken on February 04, 2014, 04:06:52 AM
I'll try to get a pic today of the side mounted loader if he shows like he is supposed to.  Our truck had the front differential blow apart last Thursday so our landings are getting full.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ken on February 04, 2014, 06:26:24 PM
Quote from: sawguy21 on February 02, 2014, 10:49:34 PM
??? That load would get him pulled over here.

That load only weighed slightly more than 45 tonnes (100K lbs).   We are allowed 49.5 tonnes on many roads around here. 
Here are a couple of pics of the loader set up on the side of the trailer. That set up allows him to haul 2 1/2 bunks of random length wood or tree length.  The load of hardwood he was putting on in the pictures would weigh about 55 tonnes when finished which is quite a bit overweight but it's only a few miles to the mill.

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on February 04, 2014, 08:25:25 PM
Now I see. Interesting. That is one of those things that I put the brakes on driving down the road,turn quick into driveway,or whatever,and I have to go back and check that, I tell the wife, I have to check this thing out.  ;D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: loggerboy9325 on February 05, 2014, 07:04:34 PM
 

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Heres some of my dads and I's fleet. 2004 JD 648g3 prentice loader 180 and a bell feller buncher. Whats missing is our 2009 540 and we do have another bell.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Big timber little dozer on February 06, 2014, 04:04:35 PM
I think every one should get a OC3 so i don't feel alone
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on February 06, 2014, 04:10:35 PM
Got a picture of it,so I know what I am looking for to buy?  ;D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Big timber little dozer on February 06, 2014, 07:42:00 PM
Quote from: thecfarm on February 06, 2014, 04:10:35 PM
Got a picture of it,so I know what I am looking for to buy?  ;D
you must be the only one who doesn't know because i am sure every one else knows. but i guess just cause you are a Mainer
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on February 06, 2014, 07:50:37 PM
Maybe I was the only one to ask too.  ;)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: redprospector on February 06, 2014, 10:48:02 PM
Quote from: Big timber little dozer on February 06, 2014, 07:42:00 PM
Quote from: thecfarm on February 06, 2014, 04:10:35 PM
Got a picture of it,so I know what I am looking for to buy?  ;D
you must be the only one who doesn't know because i am sure every one else knows. but i guess just cause you are a Mainer
Just when you're most sure of something, someone will prove you wrong.  :D
What the heck is an OC3?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on February 07, 2014, 12:04:48 AM
OC3??? No one has heard of it for being such common knowledge ::)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: celliott on February 07, 2014, 07:14:18 AM
Ooops doubled that up, just meant to edit original post.
Moderator can delete this if possible. SORRY! :)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: celliott on February 07, 2014, 07:15:52 AM
Quote from: redprospector on February 06, 2014, 10:48:02 PM
Quote from: Big timber little dozer on February 06, 2014, 07:42:00 PM
Quote from: thecfarm on February 06, 2014, 04:10:35 PM
Got a picture of it,so I know what I am looking for to buy?  ;D
you must be the only one who doesn't know because i am sure every one else knows. but i guess just cause you are a Mainer
Just when you're most sure of something, someone will prove you wrong.  :D
What the heck is an OC3?


I don't know for sure, but just a guess that it's a small Oliver crawler tractor? OC3= Oliver Crawler 3? Google turns up some results for that anyways...
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Big timber little dozer on February 07, 2014, 11:51:05 AM
Oliver oc3 stands for oliver cletac 3 or it it stands for oversized log carrier  :P ;D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: logman81 on April 25, 2014, 09:39:42 PM
 

 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/23822/image%7E68.jpg) here's a pettibone skidder.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on April 26, 2014, 12:13:50 PM
I like that 'bone, logman. I think if the FEL had a quick connect system, it would be slick. But can you imagine trying to sneak through a thinning with that on? I bet they get quite light on the back end if you pick up a good load ???
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on June 17, 2014, 11:09:10 PM
Got back in my forwarder today after about a month off, moved into a nice little Red pine sale.
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11286/20140617_155723.jpg)
The big pile is 8' pine saw bolts, the small pile in front of the machine is 12' and 16' logs, and there are random length poles (or house logs, I don't know, I just put em on the landing ::)) behind the machine.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Okrafarmer on June 18, 2014, 05:38:24 PM
Quote from: redprospector on February 06, 2014, 10:48:02 PM
Quote from: Big timber little dozer on February 06, 2014, 07:42:00 PM
Quote from: thecfarm on February 06, 2014, 04:10:35 PM
Got a picture of it,so I know what I am looking for to buy?  ;D
you must be the only one who doesn't know because i am sure every one else knows. but i guess just cause you are a Mainer
Just when you're most sure of something, someone will prove you wrong.  :D
What the heck is an OC3?

OC-3's are actually quite popular in Maine. They are about the size of a smaller skidsteer, weigh 1.5 - 2 tons soaking wet, were made from about 1950-1960ish, and were made in large numbers. They came in several widths-- narrower ones work better for sneaking though the woods.  Wider ones were used for cultivating row crops, and in some cases were used with very wide track shoes for crawling on top of deep snow for special applications such as working the sugar bush, grooming ski slopes, or taking hay to ranch cattle after snow storms. Some people would simply bolt a long 2X4 to each track shoe for extra flotation in snow. The OC-3 replaced the Cletrac model HG after Oliver bought Cletrac in 1944. The HG was made for a few more years, then replaced by the OC-3. The HG and OC-3 looked nearly identical, in fact many of the parts interchange, and there are nearly as many differences between an early HG and a late HG as there are between an HG and an OC-3.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ken on June 18, 2014, 10:21:20 PM
Quote from: barbender on June 17, 2014, 11:09:10 PM
Got back in my forwarder today after about a month off, moved into a nice little Red pine sale.

Nice dry landing to work on and tidy 8' pile.  I could use a dry landing.  Has the bark already tightened on the pine or was it cut earlier and just being forwarded now?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on June 18, 2014, 10:57:53 PM
Ken- no, the bark hasn't tightened yet. This wood was just cut last week, and yes, it is a nice dry landing. It has been really wet here, we had a wet spring and the rain just keeps coming down >:( There is actually some major flooding 100 miles to the north on the MN/Ontario border on the Rainy River. (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11286/20140618_133156.jpg)
This is a picture of my "pole skidder" ::) This is the first time I have had to move poles with the forwarder. It works about as good as you can imagine, not very much fun on this hilly job.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on June 25, 2014, 10:32:00 PM
The bark definitely has NOT tightened up on the Aspen we're in. It's hard to make a pile 2 sticks high with this stuff, it is so slippery >:(
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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: chevytaHOE5674 on June 25, 2014, 10:46:28 PM
I feel your pain. Started running forwarder for a friend of mine 2 weeks ago now. The bark won't stay on the aspen to save your life, then its been raining every other day so the decks of logs just slip and slide all over the place. Can't keep the aspen in a pile over about 6 feet high before it just slides every which direction like somebody put a grenade in the deck. 
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ken on June 26, 2014, 04:29:33 AM
Poplar and balsam fir seem to be the worst to deal with when the bark is slipping.  We cut our poplar random length so it is a little better.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Corley5 on June 26, 2014, 05:59:26 PM
I started cutting a small patch of Scots Pine today.  It's bark is slipping and is so slippery the measuring wheel on the processer can't always get traction.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: chevytaHOE5674 on June 28, 2014, 11:14:32 PM
Need to remember to take a camera to work one of these days. Snapped these with my cellphone Friday of the processor working its magic on some 20+ inch aspen trees on a narrow little ridge that we are cutting.
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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 1270d on June 29, 2014, 09:08:41 AM
who are you skidding for Chevy?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: chevytaHOE5674 on June 29, 2014, 10:30:23 AM
Friend of mine has had a log truck for a while and now just bought the logging equipment and we are cutting for Plum Creek. Company name is MSP trucking.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on June 29, 2014, 03:54:28 PM
Big step up from just a log truck, that processor looks pretty new $$$ :o
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ken on August 12, 2014, 09:13:18 PM
Like to bring this thread up once in a while.  We just finished a job and here is a pic of the new harvester waiting for its second float drive.  This time only 4 miles up the road.  This jobsite was alongside a public road which is always nice.

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on August 12, 2014, 11:05:02 PM
Sharp machine, Ken ;) I forgot, what are you running for a forwarder?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ken on August 14, 2014, 04:38:37 AM
Quote from: barbender on August 12, 2014, 11:05:02 PM
Sharp machine, Ken ;) I forgot, what are you running for a forwarder?

Old Timberjack 610.  Although it still works great at 30K+ hours it will now be the weak link in the operation.  Will have to look for a replacement before long.

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SPForesrty on August 14, 2014, 07:49:26 PM
Ken, sometime between 2000-3000 hrs we started to get some hairline cracks on the frame welds and feedwheel arms on our H480C .  Top knife also cracked along the bottom.   Not major issues but just thought Id pass it along so you can watch for anything.  I have around 3800 hrs on it now.   
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 1270d on August 14, 2014, 08:21:50 PM
what kind of wood are you in SPforestry?    Seems like we had 5000 or so hours before any cracks showed up on our 480.  Both roll frames had broken by 8000.  never had a knife break.  Mostly cutting hardwood, some very large.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on August 14, 2014, 11:27:51 PM
Ken, when I used to haul wood, the one crew I hauled for ran a 703 like yours, I don't know which head it had but it stayed in large aspen most of the time. They had a Ponsse Buffalo King paired with it to keep up. I think they had a fair number of 100 cord days with that 703 ;)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SPForesrty on August 15, 2014, 10:25:02 AM
Cut plenty of big spruce and HW but lately it's been smaller spruce and fir. 
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ken on August 16, 2014, 05:52:26 PM
Quote from: barbender on August 14, 2014, 11:27:51 PM
Ken, when I used to haul wood, the one crew I hauled for ran a 703 like yours,  I think they had a fair number of 100 cord days with that 703 ;)

There will be no 100 cord days in this mess

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Jamie_C on August 16, 2014, 05:57:25 PM
At least everything appears to be laying in one direction.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on August 17, 2014, 08:29:52 AM
Maybe 30 a day?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: chester_tree _farmah on August 17, 2014, 09:52:59 AM
Wonder if it would be faster to have someone cut them off the stumps with a  saw and than u run behind and process. It's not really big wood. Give me a full days head start though. Lol
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on August 17, 2014, 11:52:29 AM
Quote from: chester_tree _farmah on August 17, 2014, 09:52:59 AM
Wonder if it would be faster to have someone cut them off the stumps with a  saw and than u run behind and process. It's not really big wood. Give me a full days head start though. Lol
The easiest way to cut them off is with a dangle head like Ken's. You don't want to have to cut them by hand. I always thought one of the Bell dangle head fellers would work dandy for pre bunching in blow down, when our crews do it with a hot saw feller it has to have a skidder working right with it. Then another skidder pulling the bunched piles, or a processor working the piles. We typically just use 1 CTL crew and keep it simple ;)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ken on August 17, 2014, 03:13:44 PM
This is an old field site so the trees are shallow rooted.  Most of them were solid so they did not break instead the stump partially uprooted.  Really hard to get the stump cut low and not ruin too many chains.  Many of the trees and stumps can be pulled up off the ground before cutting the stump off.  This site is averaging 0.15 m3/tree of mostly (80%) 8' studwood and the remainder pulp.  Averaged 9 m3/hr yesterday.  Should easily average 13-15 on a site like this if it was still standing.

Cheers
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Jamie_C on August 17, 2014, 10:15:11 PM
That's pretty decent wood Ken ... since we went back to work in May we have averaged 0.09m3 per tree
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: mudfarmer on August 18, 2014, 03:42:52 PM
Hello everybody! This is my first post here but have been following along with your adventures for quite a while now.

Just wanted to share pics of my new skidder... It is a 1950s FWD Corp "Blue Ox" straight frame skidder with International 6cyl gas engine, 5spd transmission with hi/low transfer case and a Carco winch.

I saved it from the scrapyard and it is going to get a new lease on life. Wish me luck!!! :)



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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on August 18, 2014, 08:52:53 PM
I'm a wishing.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: luvmexfood on August 18, 2014, 09:03:31 PM
Welcome and good luck. Age is just a number. At least that is what I tell this cute little thing at the corner store I stop at. HA..

Seriously. I was out working on the farm the other day and heard an unmistakeable sound. A putt putt John Deere Tractor. At least thats what we used to call them. Sounds like each time it hits is the last. The farm across the hollow used to have one and may still have. They still used it in the 70s and I guess still do sometimes. Once you hear one working you will never forget the sound.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: sawguy21 on August 18, 2014, 10:56:20 PM
That Blue Ox skidder is certainly an interesting piece with it's ROPS. ;D Let us know how it works out.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on August 19, 2014, 12:12:11 PM
Yes, good luck with it. Keep us posted on its progress.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on August 26, 2014, 06:21:19 PM
A modern John Deere 1510E double bunk forwarder at work for high production.


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Jamie_C on August 26, 2014, 08:08:33 PM
My office



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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 1270d on August 26, 2014, 09:51:40 PM
how has the 622 been?  what are the faults? Do you process all roadside, or in the woods behind a buncher.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ken on August 27, 2014, 03:56:51 AM
Thanks for the pics.  Ron, the John Deere E series forwarders are quite common here.  Wish one was in my budget.

Jamie_C  I bet that bad boy loves fuel.  What do you burn/hr?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Jamie_C on August 27, 2014, 05:50:47 PM
1270d ... we process at the stump behind a pair of Tigercat 870 bunchers, only trouble with the head so far has been the computer module that controls the bottom knife. Currently it is jury rigged by being wired to open and close with the feed wheel arms, it's a pain in really limby/crooked wood but I deal with it ... boss doesn't want to fix it properly

Ken, actually for a machine that tips the scales at about 27 tonnes with the head the old girl sips fuel. It has the Mercedes engine, we can get four shifts out of a tank of fuel (957 litre tank capacity) .. I figure average fuel consumption is around 20 liters an hour.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: M Cook on September 03, 2014, 12:19:57 AM
I'm new to the forum, but have been full time producing for 35 yrs.  spent the last week reading this thread, enjoyed it very much, I'm for central lower MI and know a lot of the operators that Ron Scott posted.  On pages 23 & 25 there are pictures of a Hydro-Ax with a boom and processor head, that was ours and here is the story behind it.

Our Hydro-Ax dealer was Doyle Equipment and at that time they were getting a lot of used machines on trade without a good market for them.  So Joe Doyle and I came up with the idea of mounting a boom and processor on a 511, Hydro-Ax had done this before in the 1980's with a model 6200 which was a boomed carrier with a 16 inch buncher head on it.  This concept never took off however Hydro-Ax did get the bugs worked out of them before they were discontinued.

So they mounted a new Serco loader, reinforced the mast and main boom, then put a new LogMax 5000 on it.  All the tires were loaded for better stability, the pumps were changed to accommodate the boom and processor.  I bought the machine as an experimental unit, it had great speed and power but lacked good stability and  needed an extend a boom.  Overall it gave us good service and in decent wood averaged 250 cords per week.

I sold it in 2005 along with TJ 1010 forwarder and bought new chip vans, our main operation is flail chips for PCA in Filer City, MI

I will try to get some pictures of our equipment on the forum ( still learning ) 
Thanks for reading sorry about being so long.


Mike Cook
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on September 03, 2014, 05:10:26 AM
M Cook,welcome to the forum. Thanks for the story of the Hydro-Ax.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on September 05, 2014, 04:37:23 PM
A load of mixed hardwoods pulpwood is about ready to leave the landing. Hintz timber sale 8/2014.


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on September 06, 2014, 12:26:30 AM
I just never get over those Michigan trucks :o
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: BargeMonkey on September 06, 2014, 09:05:23 AM
 I dont know how they afford the rubber. How many cord or tons are on that truck ?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: clww on September 06, 2014, 09:13:38 AM
Quote from: BargeMonkey on September 06, 2014, 09:05:23 AM
I dont know how they afford the rubber.
I was thinking the same thing when I saw those pics. Man, that's a bunch of tires!
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: chevytaHOE5674 on September 06, 2014, 10:12:34 AM
Legal weight is around 50 tons/20 cord of wood depending on the setup of the truck. Most guys run more than that. Our truck normally hauls 25 cord and our hired trucker claims he can haul close to 30 cord depending on destination.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: M Cook on September 06, 2014, 10:25:43 PM
It does cost a lot more to own and operate Michigan trucks, we currently have one self loader that can gross 164k and can legally haul 112k.  We also run 5 chip vans that are 135 cubit yards capacity with 6 & 7 axles under them legal to haul 96k.  We are allowed 11 axles total, with anywhere from usually 3-5 air lift axles to be able to corner.

It is very expensive to purchase these trucks and trailers, also maintenance is very costly, the mills in this state expect us to haul our wood to them cheap because we are allowed to haul so much weight on a single load.  They don't seem to care what our costs are.

The other diffulculty with our trucks is it takes a lot of iron to get them out of the woods when the roads are mudded out, also you need good drivers who are familer with hauling heavy weight, the wrong guy can tear up a lot of drive line.

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: BargeMonkey on September 09, 2014, 10:26:34 PM
 

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Pulling the bridge panels out.


 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/34634/20140823_173801.jpg)  1/2 done. The panels where 6x30 and 5-6 tons each. Approach to bridge was graded, seeded and mulch 75' from each end with 2 water bars.


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Long slow drag out.


 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/34634/20140909_181440.jpg)  The woodlot im working on now.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: BargeMonkey on September 09, 2014, 10:34:06 PM
 

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New bar for the slasher.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Southside on September 09, 2014, 10:38:10 PM
Barge Monkey, that was not a nice name to call her,   :D :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: lopet on September 09, 2014, 10:55:01 PM
5 or 6 ton for those panels  :o   What are they made off , I beams ?   But sure is a nice way to cross a waterway.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: BargeMonkey on September 09, 2014, 11:04:06 PM
Quote from: Southside logger on September 09, 2014, 10:38:10 PM
Barge Monkey, that was not a nice name to call her,   :D :D
She decided she was coming to "help" me in the woods today, lets just say her future as a weekend skidder operator doesnt look too good.  :o

The panels are 10" thick, steel frame with solid HW beams filling the panels. I have a JRB coupler and forks for the 644H loader, and she knows it when you pick one of these panels. My barko loader will pick them but its not pretty.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: BargeMonkey on September 10, 2014, 08:34:31 PM
 

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Slow going by myself, finish this lot up next time I get home. Will NEVER buy wood thru this forester again. Back to the boat early Saturday, just in time to bring the boat back out.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: M Cook on September 10, 2014, 10:30:49 PM
Barge monkey

Good looking 450 jack, I used to have a 480c, we're still running a 560 & 660 jacks.  We bought a couple of 848's after deere bought out Timberjack, but they haven't held up as well as the 60 series TJ's.  We're still running them but are switching to Cats, we got a 545c that we are real happy with and also have a new 535d ordered that we're excited to get later this fall.

Mike Cook
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: BargeMonkey on September 11, 2014, 09:34:32 PM
 Mike,
For some reason Cat skidders are rare around here, I know of 1 508 and a 518, southworth our local dealer hasnt had the greatest reputation, but Nortrax isnt far behind them. That 450C came out of northern NH, she runs good but I think she has been around the block a few times. Im happy so far with it, im actually thinking of buying a 380C I see for sale because of how nice she pulls. I park all my stuff for the time im gone, more of an expensive hobby than an actual job but its something to do, cant sit on the couch and collect welfare like the Obama crowd.  :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: BargeMonkey on September 11, 2014, 09:47:01 PM
 

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The load I dropped to the mill this morning, 3970bft. Not to bad, brought ok money. 

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Slowly getting some wood back in the yard, shipped a bunch of firewood already and it hasnt even started yet, will sell every stick I have this year. 

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Where I find the time to read the FF most of the time.  :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: M Cook on September 11, 2014, 10:21:18 PM
BargeMonkey,

There aren't very many cat skidders here either, but cat is aggressively going after the forest industry and are doing extensive redesign and engineering on their equipment lines.  Cat also bought out Prentice and have improved that equipment also.  We currently are running a Prentice 2384 that was built by cat and also a 573c buncher, both machines are doing well and are much better built than the previous models.

Looks like you have a nice operation that allows you to enjoy cutting wood without all the pressure to put out everything that is possible every week. 

Mike Cook
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: BargeMonkey on September 11, 2014, 11:29:36 PM
 I bought my slasher from Southworth, and  they keep stopping in, I just cant justify a super new machine. Cat owns alot more than most people realize, between acquiring Blount, who owned prentice and fabtek, they also bought a company called "united railway", who owns EMD. In the marine world you have 3 choices for tug engines, MTU = junk, EMD, or Cat, I bet they control 80%+ of the market. All my stuff is paid for, I hustle but its been getting extremely aggravating lately, finding help just isnt possible. Back to the real job saturday, paid to sit and watch gauges, break other people's stones, drink coffee.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: M Cook on September 11, 2014, 11:51:05 PM
BargeMonkey

I hear you about help, in 35 yrs of logging I've never seen anything like the labor force we have today.  We run 18-20 employees, between guys taking different jobs and drug testing I only have 5 guys left that have been with me more than a year!  In our area the biggest competition for labor is welfare, they give them housing, food, and money for doing nothing.

What brand of slasher do you have, we run a Barko 160b and a 2384 Prentice both with Siiro Slashers mounted on big john self propelled carriers.  My first slasher was a Barko 130 with a S&L 44 slasher, I bought it in 1982, can't tell you how much they have improved since then.

Mike Cook
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Firewoodjoe on September 12, 2014, 04:51:05 AM
I just read in a mag cat is coming out with a 555D. That should be interesting. Cat has tried getting us to buy a skidder also but they were much heavier then our 648h.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: M Cook on September 12, 2014, 09:24:51 AM
Firewoodjoe

Your right about the 555d, it's not much bigger than the 545d, they both use a lot of the same components.  They are a little heavier than the deere's but I feel they are better built and have surpassed deere in both engine and skidder design.  I have a new 535d ordered and was given a tour of the cat factory in LaGrange, Georgia. They have spent a lot of money and listened to I put from loggers on machine design, when they come out you should take a look.

I'm not to far from you (Harrison) when I get mine this fall get a hold of me and you can come down and try it out if you like. 

Mike Cook
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Firewoodjoe on September 12, 2014, 12:07:54 PM
I'll prolly see it at your shop. We're always driving by. Thanks for the invite too.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: M Cook on September 12, 2014, 05:15:44 PM
Looking forward to meeting you

Mike Cook
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: BargeMonkey on September 12, 2014, 09:42:03 PM
 

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Someone decided to come to the woods this morning. 

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Had a pretty good day, in 8 hours I laid down 300+, this job is 90% cut, finish skidding when I get home. 

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Had a big slippery beech start to roll out of the head, this bar maybe toast.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: beenthere on September 12, 2014, 10:07:54 PM
Did she move anything?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: chevytaHOE5674 on September 12, 2014, 10:18:12 PM
That bar looks totally fixable. I've actually been amazed how much the abuse and hydraulic pressing the bars can take to get straightened out and still remain usable.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: BargeMonkey on September 12, 2014, 10:22:25 PM
 Ive pressed this one quite a few times, has a few good cracks and this time it busted 1/2 the rivets in the tip. Take it off when I get home and try. Bought a rail tool from Baileys that works great on the 3/4 bars. Im impressed with how much abuse my slasher bar takes, and how much wood it chews thru in between sharpening.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Jamie_C on September 16, 2014, 11:30:32 AM
 

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One of 3 Tigercat 870's with Hornet heads that are on our crew ... two of them run double shift and one is kept as a spare and is only ran a few shifts a week, primarily when one of the others breaks down.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: BargeMonkey on September 16, 2014, 11:46:06 AM
 The hornet is purely a "shortwood processor right ? A mechanical stop on the end, and a processor with rollers ?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Jamie_C on September 16, 2014, 11:56:49 AM
They are roll feed, no computer to speak of. Length measurement is done by paint marks on the head and by running the tree out until it hits the butt plate. Very crude compared to any of the newer heads but in the right wood they can really shine. They weigh somewhere around 10,000 lbs so need a big carrier to handle them.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: jwilly3879 on September 16, 2014, 06:00:50 PM
BargeMonkey, what rail tool did you get?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ken on September 16, 2014, 06:41:03 PM
Those big hornet heads really shine in the hardwoods that would destroy most dangle heads.  There used to be a number of them in the hardwood areas of northern NB.  Not sure about now.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: BargeMonkey on September 16, 2014, 06:45:57 PM
Quote from: jwilly3879 on September 16, 2014, 06:00:50 PM
BargeMonkey, what rail tool did you get?
Baileys had a rail straightener, fixed everything from 3/8, .404 and 3/4, I cant seen to find it again. It has a handle and a heavy strike plate, gets those tweaked spots out of bars. We have had a bar grinder for 15yrs plus, thats how you get life out of bars. 150-200 cord from a .404 processor bar. Looks like a coke bottle when you throw it away.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: CuddleBugFirewood on September 16, 2014, 11:00:17 PM
Yoder Job 2014


Delimber and slasher

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skidder
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Loader & loggers truck
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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: lopet on September 17, 2014, 07:39:44 PM
I always been thinking of a grapple boom like that. Does yours swing to to side as well ?  And did you build this ?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: chevytaHOE5674 on September 17, 2014, 07:54:01 PM
Looks like an Esco swing grapple?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: CuddleBugFirewood on September 17, 2014, 08:47:08 PM
It is an esco, it was on the machine when I bought it.  Honestly don't know what I would do without it. Comes in real handy reaching around obstacles or bunching logs.  Have to be careful pulling large hitches on tight turns.  Or getting boom on downhill side while lifting a log.  All four tires have fluid in them so that helps
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: lopet on September 17, 2014, 09:01:28 PM
 8) 8)  I want one too
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: BargeMonkey on September 23, 2014, 09:46:34 PM
 

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Got to the woods today, trying to knock this lot out.



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This came in the mail, they must like my picture.  :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: BargeMonkey on September 24, 2014, 09:23:49 PM
 

 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/34634/20140924_132442.jpg)   theres a bunch of wood up in the corner of this woodlot, didnt pay to track the Timbco up there, its so tight. 

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Not a bad pile for 3 days. Wood orders coming in every day, hopefully I dont get to this pile this year. 

 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/34634/20140924_191321.jpg)   the day didnt end to well for him.  :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ken on October 10, 2014, 05:51:27 PM
I hate when this thread goes dormant so will bump it back to the top.  I should not have mentioned that last week was my best.  This one not so much.  This is how the week started and it did not get much better.

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Jamie_C on October 10, 2014, 06:56:58 PM
Yikes !! Is there a matching new sneaker for the other side too ?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: lopet on October 10, 2014, 08:42:05 PM
That rubber looks like some serious $$$$ to me.
I know one day it will me my turn again  ;D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: BargeMonkey on October 10, 2014, 09:41:38 PM
 A brand new 30.5... ouch.  :o
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: lumbertick on October 10, 2014, 10:21:09 PM
M Cook
I hear you on finding good help.. We would like to get another processor but just can't find anyone that can take care of the machine and get production..
I'm Duane's kid Brian ( Leonard forest products) and I wish we were getting what the UP guys were for our pulp that would sure help.. At least log prices are coming up..
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: BargeMonkey on October 11, 2014, 08:19:44 PM
 Figured I would post some pictures from today, 

 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/34634/20141011_093624.jpg)   had 8 of these like that today, cleaning up the wood on the edges of this woodlot, about 3 good days left. 

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 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/34634/20141011_093620.jpg)  I bought that 3120xp about 1yr ago, first time im using it and im kinda impressed. Wont carry it to far but she gets the job done.  :D

 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/34634/20141011_183618.jpg)  the 2 sticks of hemlock sitting on my loader are around 200-220yrs old, the rings are so tight its hard to tell, its a shame they are full of shake. 

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 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/34634/20141011_183852.jpg)   not a bad pile of wood for 3 very long days... 7 in the morning till 7pm..  :D   thank god its going to be "tugboat monday" soon
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: lopet on October 11, 2014, 08:36:27 PM
How many guys are you working with ?   That's a lot of equipment to run for one guy. ;)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: BargeMonkey on October 11, 2014, 08:42:22 PM
 8)Uhm... ive had 1 guy help me the last 2 days to skid. Other than that im the only one, i normally dont have much help.  Cut a bit, skid, slash. Repeat.  :D   the help just isnt out there, and the cost of comp in NY just makes me more determined to not hire anyone. My stuff gets parked while im gone on the boat, got a whopping 600 hrs on my Timbco in 3.5 yrs.  :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: M Cook on October 11, 2014, 10:27:59 PM
Lumberjack

This labor situation is costing everyone money, the markets are the best they have been in years and the help isn't out there to take advantage of it.  I have more than enough equipment to run a second flail chip crew but don't have enough people to run it full-time.  Meanwhile the markets are putting pressure on us to do more.

Things never stay the same for a long time, so when the economy slows down  there'll be lots of help but probably won't need it.  Such is the wood business, where else can a person have so much fun.

Mike Cook
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on October 12, 2014, 11:14:36 AM
Bargemonkey, if my piles looked like yours the truck drivers would get together and lynch me ;D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: BargeMonkey on October 12, 2014, 01:15:34 PM
Quote from: barbender on October 12, 2014, 11:14:36 AM
Bargemonkey, if my piles looked like yours the truck drivers would get together and lynch me ;D
Normally I would truck some out before it becomes a mess, and this header is on a postage stamp. The sawmill is only 3 miles up the road and I have to go over the landowners lawn so I only wanna go when its super dry.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: coxy on October 12, 2014, 06:30:19 PM
barge monkey that soft maple looks good the hearts anyway ;D     if that was by me they would have holes half the size of the tree ;D       where do you sell your soft wood      what mill is up the road from you              how long are you on the boat for this time
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on October 12, 2014, 06:48:58 PM
Quote from: BargeMonkey on October 12, 2014, 01:15:34 PM
Quote from: barbender on October 12, 2014, 11:14:36 AM
Bargemonkey, if my piles looked like yours the truck drivers would get together and lynch me ;D
Normally I would truck some out before it becomes a mess, and this header is on a postage stamp. The sawmill is only 3 miles up the road and I have to go over the landowners lawn so I only wanna go when its super dry.
I'm just ribbing you, you can pile your wood any way you want ;)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: lumbertick on October 12, 2014, 07:05:26 PM
M Cook

I don't know how Chris Muma and Lutke find the help...
And ur right it sure would be a lot better if the markets would stay this good forever.

What do you get per pulp cord for oak firewood?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: M Cook on October 12, 2014, 07:51:37 PM
Lumber tick

Chris, Shawn, and Jason struggle to find good help also.   

We don't sell any 8 ft firewood only cut and split, prices for 8 ft oak firewood is $90 & up for green and $100 & up for seasoned around here.  Chris told me in September that Shawn and him were not taking any more orders because they were already booked through April of next year.

Mike Cook
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: BargeMonkey on October 12, 2014, 08:20:34 PM
Quote from: coxy on October 12, 2014, 06:30:19 PM
barge monkey that soft maple looks good the hearts anyway ;D     if that was by me they would have holes half the size of the tree ;D       where do you sell your soft wood      what mill is up the road from you              how long are you on the boat for this time
The firewood on this job didnt turn out to bad, the logs where kinda so so. Our sawmill is about 3 miles up the road from the job, we saw 99% of the softwood we cut,  or ship the hemlock for pulp. The mill im selling to now for good logs is about 15 miles away. Go back for 7-10 days this time, hard to get much done on short trips home.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: lumbertick on October 13, 2014, 06:59:16 PM
M Cook

We are getting 100 for green oak and 120 for seasoned.. 90 for mixed hardwood.
We are just putting people on a list got a good 40 orders right now.. Crazy how people wait till last minute
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: M Cook on October 13, 2014, 08:57:35 PM
Lumbertick

I think we could see even higher prices before spring, there isn't going to be enough firewood for the demand.  The last time I remember anything like this was the  early eighties, that was when Leonard Forest got started hauling firewood 24/7.  Hope it will continue but odds are it won't, gotta get all you can while you can.

Mike Cook
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: lumbertick on October 14, 2014, 06:21:11 PM
M Cook

Ya we still have a ton of those old customers..
We have turned down over half of them we don't go any further down then birch run now.
You buy alit of ur own sales or just so a lot for pca?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: M Cook on October 14, 2014, 08:23:24 PM
We buy all our own wood, were also hauling to DPI in Alpena.  A couple times a year we chip plantation aspen for PCA on their land.

Mike Cook
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: lumbertick on October 14, 2014, 08:44:03 PM
M Cook

I see you guys must get pretty good money per ton out of those clean chips?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: M Cook on October 14, 2014, 09:19:50 PM
Lumbertick

We get more than pulpwood prices and can produce a lot more tons, but it is an expensive investment.
We are closely monitored on bark content and chip size, and need to feed decent wood to chipper so we don't pull any scrag logs. 

Someday when you have time get a hold of me and I'll take you out to job and show you what we're doing, right now we're around 10 miles from Tobie's mill. Tobie has my number.

Mike Cook
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: lumbertick on October 15, 2014, 08:17:06 AM
M Cook

Sounds good.. I would like to see one of those work
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on October 15, 2014, 08:47:30 AM
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Daylight on the landing, on a large UPM aspen sale (company land). Unfortunately, the harvester operator will find a flat tire waiting for him this morning.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: BargeMonkey on October 15, 2014, 09:09:56 AM
  Now thats a nice neat pile of wood.  ;)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: lopet on October 15, 2014, 08:07:00 PM
Yup  it's gotta be somebody's pile who knows how to run a forwarder. 8)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Maine logger88 on October 15, 2014, 08:09:47 PM
The truckers must love coming to your job 8)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on October 15, 2014, 09:05:38 PM
I try to keep it as neat as I can and still keep hustling. I used to haul wood and I know first hand how it stinks when the landing isn't right and the piles are messy. Plus, the truckers get paid by the load and I get paid by the hour. I figure if I make a mess just to up production a bit,  I'm lowering their hourly wage to do it. Maybe it's that Golden Rule thing ;)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: lumbertick on October 15, 2014, 09:19:27 PM
Barbender

How much production do you average per hour with that Ponsse is decent wood
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on October 16, 2014, 10:34:00 AM
Well, it depends on the skid length a lot for forwarder production. If I get this machine heaped good, it's 7 cords a load. Right now the skid is almost 1/2 mile, I top the load off with big wood and pile it as high as I can, it has to be close to 8 cords then. At that, I get one load an hour. Last night a I was tired of the long skid, so I moved wood that was right on the landing and piled as much in 3 hours as I had in 10 on the long skid. Overall, I try to have an average of a load per hour I work, that includes time spent on maintenance, greasing, etc- if I have 50 hours on my paycheck I want 50 loads on the landing. The processor is probably getting 10-12 cords an hour in this wood- good production.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: lumbertick on October 16, 2014, 12:14:18 PM
Does he cut them down or you guys got a buncher in front of processor?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on October 16, 2014, 02:21:47 PM
No buncher, we never use that method. The numbers for the processor are in good quality aspen, 10"-12" dbh, 6-7 sticks and flat ground.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ken on October 16, 2014, 05:52:37 PM
Quote from: barbender on October 15, 2014, 09:05:38 PM
I try to keep it as neat as I can and still keep hustling.

Everybody on this site can appreciate the nice pile of wood but only those who have piled wood with a loader can appreciate the expertise of the operator who piled it.  Great job.

Quote from: barbender on October 16, 2014, 02:21:47 PM
No buncher, we never use that method. The numbers for the processor are in good quality aspen, 10"-12" dbh, 6-7 stocks and flat ground.

Wow  10-12 cords/hour.  I need to get better
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: lumbertick on October 16, 2014, 06:14:22 PM
I run a fabtek 133 and I average 8 cords in hour in good aspen and 10 cord an hour in red pine... Hardwood averages 6-7 per hour and I cut it down with processor... We tryed running a shear in front of it but didn't really help.. Only time it is good to run a shear in front of a processor is if you are going to chip
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on October 16, 2014, 08:02:38 PM
Thanks for the compliments, Ken. Now on the production numbers, there's a few poor areas on this sale where I doubt they cut 5 cords an hour, probably closer to 3. Small wood, and lots of brush. That stuff kills my production too, I only got 8 loads out today in 9 hours. A long skid with small brushy wood >:( The outfit I work for has some darn good processor operators no doubt, I have worked behind one (in a Ponsse Bear) that was keeping 2 of us in forwarders busy, in medium to large aspen. Around 140 cords a day. That's not every day, but we got in a groove where he was cutting 80-90 cords per day with just me following him, and he wasn't pushing hard. I know that because he was parked with his feet kicked up a lot ::) I wasn't going to call him on it cause I knew I would just be working longer days to keep up :) This operator was also on a Red pine final felling where he had 2 forwarders AND a skidder pulling poles out :o Understand, that's not everyday either, that's the job everyone talks about for 5 years afterward ;) As a forwarder operator, I know when I'm getting moved to different sales what to expect by wood types- decent aspen clear cuts will be getting put on the ground at anywhere from 70-100 cords a day, first entry red pine thinnings 30-60, winter black spruce 30-40.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: BargeMonkey on October 16, 2014, 11:56:51 PM
 100 cord in 1 day stacked on the header would be like the high point in my logging career. :D 1/2 a load of saw logs, 16-24 cord of firewood, some logs for us and maybe some pulp is about all I ever get in 1 day.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on October 17, 2014, 03:00:57 PM
Quote from: BargeMonkey on October 16, 2014, 11:56:51 PM
100 cord in 1 day stacked on the header would be like the high point in my logging career. :D 1/2 a load of saw logs, 16-24 cord of firewood, some logs for us and maybe some pulp is about all I ever get in 1 day.
I hear you, but I bet if you went and got the million dollars and bought a new CTL team and were cutting the same wood, your pile would be just as big or bigger at the end of the day. Production is a very relative concept. If I'm hand falling and cable skidding by myself, I'm quite proud of 10 cords ;)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: BargeMonkey on October 17, 2014, 09:37:05 PM
 I gotcha. I wasnt breaking your stones, more of pointing out that region and wood type have alot to do for production. If I had to keep 90-100+ cord to the header every day I would be out of business pretty quick, not a lack of wood, I dont think you could move fast enough. Your seeing a touch more CTL around here but cable skidders are still 100-1 vs forwarders, i will admit it does do a cleaner job. I see a new 644K MH and a 100' stacker coming before anymore wood equipment unfortunately.  ;) 
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Kodiakmac on October 18, 2014, 08:23:19 AM
 

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Fellow who buys white cedar locally has this trailer/loader rig.  He hauls up to 750 bf. 
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on October 18, 2014, 09:00:30 AM
That's nice looking cedar. That grapple is unusual, I've never seen one quite like that. Is it a factory unit, or something he fabbed up? Bargemonkey, I didn't think you were busting my stones ;) I'm just pointing out, in my case, it's more the equipment and wood than the skill of the operator- trying to be humble here ;D I'd say my production is better than average, but we have a few forwarder operators that can walk away from me. It drives me nuts because it's not for lack of effort on my part. So my point was, in the same circumstances, I'm sure Bargemonkey logging would have piles of wood on the "header" that were just as big ;) I didn't take your comments as a dig at all.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Kodiakmac on October 18, 2014, 09:34:06 AM
Quote from: barbender on October 18, 2014, 09:00:30 AM
That's nice looking cedar. That grapple is unusual, I've never seen one quite like that. Is it a factory unit, or something he fabbed up?

Yup, I've got some nice cedar.  May as well log it before the woodpeckers ventilate it!

He can handle 22 ft logs on his mill.  He needs 9.5 inches s.e.d. - he squares the cedar for log houses.

The loader has "CHARGO" printed on it.  The rig is made somewhere in Quebec.  I'll get the name of the industry from him.  It has 4 initials - something along the lines of BMJP Industries...or something like that.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: mad murdock on October 20, 2014, 04:05:32 PM
A really awesome videl I found on YT, shouing how it was done "back in the day" in the PNW.  Those old steam donks could really move the logs, and fast!!  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0K5XwmGmuw
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Skidder Kev on October 20, 2014, 07:03:12 PM
that is some nice looking cedar kodiakmac,  cedar was what i cut when i first started logging,  cut it all winter and dropped 15lbs and well lets just say i need to start cutting cedar again hahaha
kev
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: lopet on October 20, 2014, 07:26:04 PM
Great video      thanks for sharing
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 1270d on October 20, 2014, 09:10:54 PM
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Start learning to run it tomorrow
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Corley5 on October 20, 2014, 09:19:04 PM
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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: chevytaHOE5674 on October 20, 2014, 09:41:39 PM
1270D where are you cutting at?

Too bad the Scorpion doesn't have space for a passenger as I'd love to take a ride in it.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on October 20, 2014, 10:24:43 PM
On his lap ;D I didn't know you were getting a Scorpion, 1270d. Is it a Scorpion King? I haven't worked around ours yet.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 1270d on October 20, 2014, 10:44:10 PM
It is the king model yes.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on October 21, 2014, 08:45:40 AM
Our operator has been pretty happy with his Scorpion. A couple of things he didn't like- one, he said it turns like a John Deere and two, the fact that you have to back out of strip looking over your shoulder. Both things you should be used to  ;)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Kodiakmac on October 21, 2014, 10:51:09 AM
Quote from: kculler on October 20, 2014, 07:03:12 PM
that is some nice looking cedar kodiakmac,  cedar was what i cut when i first started logging,  cut it all winter and dropped 15lbs and well lets just say i need to start cutting cedar again hahaha
kev

I had 4 trees that were 9.5 inches or above at the 48 foot mark.  I measured the tallest on the ground and it was 83 feet 9 inches - and there is a good two feet of stump. It had a bit of dry rot in the centre at the butt end for the first 3 and a half feet.  That's pretty good cedar for around these parts.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: lumbertick on October 21, 2014, 05:07:37 PM
You U.P. Loggers must make more money then us in the lower half of the state... We'll I know you do you guys get almost double what we get for your pulp wood.. That machine looks mean what's the price tag? I heard somewhere around $700,000 before they came out
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ken on October 21, 2014, 07:57:41 PM
1270d  That is a sweet looking ride/office.    What size head do you have and does it have a top saw to deal with the hardwood in the background?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 1270d on October 21, 2014, 08:11:31 PM
this is H7 head with no top saw.  Tried it for the first time today, very nice to operate.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: chevytaHOE5674 on October 21, 2014, 09:31:00 PM
Cutting a first thin red pine plantation currently. Snapped a few pictures today in front of a deck of bolts.
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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on October 22, 2014, 09:42:05 AM
Chevy, is that a Caribou model forwarder? What is your load capacity?

1270d, I'm looking forward to more reports on the Scorpion King. I'm waiting for the forwarder to come out that matches ??? What would they call it though? Seems it has to be something from the animal kingdom ::)

Ken, I don't think a top saw is available on any Ponsse head smaller than an H8, which is the head that is run on the Bear model. Our Bear has doesn't have a top saw, I heard we demo'd a head with one. They must not have found it to give much of a boost, cause we didn't keep it ::) I think they would be slick in hardwood, and the big aspen we cut (technically hardwood, I know). To be honest, most of our guys are so production minded that anything that slows the head down gets hacked into pieces and left, not the best use of resources I know, but that's how it is.When I ran processor for a friend, with no top saw, I would end up having to drop a stem and spin the head around to measure a stick because the top knife was hitting a crotch or whatever. It would have been nice to just push a button. I was just watching some videos of a 703 in hardwood with a topsaw, it looked real slick. Does your head have one?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: chevytaHOE5674 on October 22, 2014, 07:09:00 PM
Yeah its a Caribou leveled off its about 4 cord, if I really heap it up I can get close to 5 on there. Only really heap it up if I'm close to the landing or along the road.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on October 23, 2014, 09:40:36 AM
Piled high ;)



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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 1270d on October 23, 2014, 05:58:56 PM
thats a loaf!
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on October 23, 2014, 06:30:16 PM
 ;D I don't usually mound it that high, but this is a loooong skid so I want every load to count. The weight is fine for the machine's capacity, however today I had an overload issue- unfortunately it was in the cab. I broke my seat :o I'm getting too portly for my porter, maybe?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 1270d on October 23, 2014, 06:42:20 PM
Break the mounting bolts or what?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on October 23, 2014, 07:13:04 PM
No, right where the pivot points mount to the frame. They are built too light, or I am built too heavy ;D How is that Scorpion treating you, 1270d? You're going to have to change your handle :)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 1270d on October 23, 2014, 07:25:48 PM
whats in a name?  that which we call a rose by any other name would smell as sweet. :D 

Definitely liking the scorpion a lot.  not seeing the crane is huge, and the head is awsome.  rolls through crooked hardwood very well.   Also very powerful.    The machine is very comfortable as well, very little jostling etc.
The crane handles quite a bit like the Deere so that helps me too.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: snowstorm on October 23, 2014, 07:45:57 PM
you dont worry about breaking a hose and having the crane land on the cab
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: lumbertick on October 23, 2014, 08:12:20 PM
1270d

What do you average per hour with the scorpion in hardwood?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 1270d on October 23, 2014, 08:25:21 PM
I've only run it for two days.   Wont have any averages for a while.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: lumbertick on October 24, 2014, 09:23:22 AM
What about the 1270?
I'm asking because I run a fabtek 133 a And we are thinking about getting a dangle head machine.. The salesman will tell you anything you wanna hear... Just trying to see what the guys that run them say..
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 1270d on October 24, 2014, 06:46:03 PM
what kind of wood and ground are you in?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: lumbertick on October 24, 2014, 08:10:14 PM
Down here pretty flat ground and the wood is not to bad i would say average hardwood tree is 7 sticks
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: lumbertick on October 24, 2014, 08:11:14 PM
We cut 60 percent hardwood the rest popal and red pine
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: BargeMonkey on October 25, 2014, 10:05:17 PM
 

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Thats the last pile I had down below, all stacked up in the yard, rained thurs and sat at the mill cutting firewood. 

 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/34634/20141023_122255.jpg)  another day of pounding out firewood. With him and I we average 6-8 cord a day including delivery. 

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The header has a 6" layer of thick slime on it. 

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Added a bit more to it today, have about 60 trees to go for monday and then move out while the weather holds, im hauling across the guys lawn. 

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The soon to be "new wife" and I this morning. We have been engaged for almost a year, and had the wedding planned for July 25th. We scheduled engagement pictures 2 months ago, and about 2 weeks ago she got some very very bad news at the doctors, so tomorrow at 1pm we are getting married up at my parents lake. Oh boy.  ;)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on October 26, 2014, 06:07:08 AM
Very very bad news does that sound good.  :(  Good luck to her.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: chester_tree _farmah on October 26, 2014, 02:55:03 PM
Sorry to hear about the bad news man. Sucks. :-(
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on October 26, 2014, 04:32:13 PM
I'm happy for you getting married, but man getting bad news from the Doc is never good :( We'very had our fair share the last few years with my wife, the poor woman can't seem to catch a break. That is a beautiful picture of the two of you ;)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: chevytaHOE5674 on October 26, 2014, 06:23:48 PM
Never good to get bad news :(. Wish you all the best.

This is about as much as I can heap this old girl up before I spend more time picking up fallen logs then getting wood to the landing.
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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: BargeMonkey on October 26, 2014, 07:16:17 PM
 Now thats a loaded forwarder    :D

Thanks guys, yeah its always something. She kept putting off her visit to the "female" doctor and when she went they found something, did 2x ultrasounds and then some tests, at 33 she is going for a full hysterectomy. Her insurance is so bad, they started giving her a hard time, I came home tues and she was in the chair crying, I said enough and called the town judge at 7pm. Did it today, all went well except for the rain.  :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: lopet on October 26, 2014, 08:12:38 PM
Wish you all the best and hope things  gonna turn to the good.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on October 26, 2014, 09:35:20 PM
Congratulations! and great pictures.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on October 27, 2014, 12:08:25 AM
Nice load, chevy!
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: BargeMonkey on October 29, 2014, 12:54:03 AM
 

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Finally finished up the job, the cable skidder fits so much nicer, and what was left was scattered.


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There wasnt a stick there last Monday. Thurs was a washout, couldnt haul any out because of the landowners yard. Truck it all out when I get back off the boat next week.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on October 29, 2014, 09:48:24 AM
BM, that first picture is sure pretty! A nice skid and a nice background ;) The second picture, I see a family of beavers must have snuck in and built a lodge while you were out on the boat ;D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: BargeMonkey on October 29, 2014, 11:50:34 AM
 I had a few better ones but for some reason it wont load them. There is a large power line that runs thru our town, thats one of the flatter sections, about 1 mile from there is a gorge you cant walk into, I logged that off 2 winters ago, had to winch my 450G backwards to get up out, stump to stump.
Ive got a pet partridge on this job, comes within 1' of you all day long just being nosy, runs right up to the skidder, I hope he makes it. Pheasants everywhere, could have gotten 2x of them right off the skidder yesterday. Need to get moved off this job, the landowner is a pain in the @ss anyway, and he didnt quite understand the volume of wood he sold when this went to bid, so thats caused some tension, the forester had to come down, made for a few heated conversations. next guy who cuts this has some great wood, ive walked around 200+ cherry over 24" DBH.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on October 29, 2014, 08:58:44 PM
I've heard of the tame partridge before, I've never had one follow me though. I must look to shifty :)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: BargeMonkey on November 04, 2014, 08:25:35 PM
 

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There he is. You cant get away from him. 

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Try and truck the rest of the wood tomorrow, but cant get moved before I go back to the boat.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on November 04, 2014, 10:47:18 PM
I want a pet partridge ;D How is it pronounced in New York? Part-tridge (MN pronunciation) Paht-ridge (Maine) or something in between?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: WDH on November 05, 2014, 07:13:24 AM
Don't be "grousing" about how to pronounce it  ;D.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on November 05, 2014, 07:16:38 AM
 :D :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on November 05, 2014, 07:19:49 AM
Don't get your feathers all ruffled up about it.  ;D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Maine logger88 on November 05, 2014, 10:01:07 AM
Ya it's paht-ridge in Maine. But I just callem road chickens or dinner lol. But if I had one follow me around all day I wouldn't be able too eat it
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: dsgsr on November 05, 2014, 06:49:33 PM
Here in Maine their called Spruce Partridge. They have a little yellow in their feathers. They are protected buy the law (No shoot). I've had them peck at my feet when cutting firewood. they're just protecting their area. The closer you get to their nest the more aggressive they get.

David
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: BargeMonkey on November 05, 2014, 07:08:14 PM
 This one hasnt been aggressive, just nosy. Follows you about 100ft around the woodpile. The released about 100 pheasants right next door a few weeks ago, they are everywhere. Tried to get one with the log truck today.  ;)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on November 05, 2014, 07:15:07 PM
We have spruce grouse here too, in addition to the ruffed grouse. Actually they are more common a bit farther north, in the big spruce swamps.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: BargeMonkey on November 05, 2014, 07:33:51 PM
 We have 2 flocks of turkeys on the farm, just wandering around. Its great, the elk attract everything, they think its "safe".  ;)
Got in the log truck at 0700 this morning, and trucked till dark. 8 loads today, and probably 3 tomorrow, get the loader yanked out, grade up and go. 

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The picture kinda sucks, but theres 4 loads of pulp and 4 loads of saw logs sitting there. Truck the saw logs friday, needed to get out of this job before it gets wet again.


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Thats what I got off this last job, and about 30 cord in another pile on the side. Been thru a pile like that already this year. I have 2.5 more just like it. My competition has basically no firewood put up. Im going to laugh myself to the bank come January.  :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on November 05, 2014, 10:43:29 PM
 smiley_thumbsup smiley_thumbsup smiley_thumbsup
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Maine logger88 on November 05, 2014, 10:54:07 PM
Nice looks good!
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: luvmexfood on November 06, 2014, 04:27:45 PM
Never had any wild game come up except a doe and her two fawns last winter. Could come with in 30 ft of them turn the tractor and back-up to a log, get off and hook-up, then get back on and skid out. They just stood and watched me. If I were hunting then you would never see them.

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: BargeMonkey on November 06, 2014, 09:46:35 PM
 Started in at 0700 again this morning, finished at dark just in time to get wet.  :D

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Getting graded up. I will take that G series dozer over the J series dozers's we have any day of the week. 

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We got that finished just as it started raining, im so glad to be done there. 

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I got a suprise phone call when I got home, "be back to the boat by 0700" which screws up my plans of trucking logs and moving stuff tomorrow. Only 96 hrs off this time.  >:(   but im way to cheap to turn down free money.  ;D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Maine logger88 on November 06, 2014, 11:27:39 PM
Looks good! Must be nice too be done there! Off too the MT next?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on November 06, 2014, 11:35:53 PM
That's a really nice looking cleanup job, Bargemonkey!  What do you like about the G model dozers? My dozer experience is pretty limited, I'm just curious about the differences between the series.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: BargeMonkey on November 06, 2014, 11:56:26 PM
 Yeah, off to the MT to finally get this woodlot wrapped up. Not where I wanna be.
That G dozer has a complete deere factory woods package, added weights in the front, just a nice machine. Im a powershift fan, the J's are single lever hydro, great for dirt work but im just not a fan with one in the woods.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: eichenberg93 on November 07, 2014, 08:48:54 PM
Moved onto a new job for a few weeks that has some nice white pine. Its pretty tight quarters so we dug out the old
the old forwarder Truck. Thought everyone was showing a picture of there forwarder loaded So here's ours ;D



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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on November 07, 2014, 11:07:45 PM
Nice! What kind of old truck is that?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Reddog on November 07, 2014, 11:12:12 PM
REO?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: eichenberg93 on November 07, 2014, 11:20:59 PM
its is a FWD still has the original wakasha in it but does use quite a bit of oil  ;)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Maine logger88 on November 08, 2014, 10:32:26 AM
Is the loader on it a F model prentice
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: chester_tree _farmah on November 08, 2014, 02:02:03 PM
Very cool FWD and that yard looks spiffy Barge Monkey.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: sawguy21 on November 08, 2014, 02:04:56 PM
I like that truck, reminds me of the movie "Duel".
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: BargeMonkey on November 08, 2014, 02:35:08 PM
 I like seeing iron like that.  smiley_clapping   

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: eichenberg93 on November 08, 2014, 08:15:15 PM
Quote from: Maine logger88 on November 08, 2014, 10:32:26 AM
Is the loader on it a F model prentice

I don't think its a F model. I have seen one before and its smaller. The boom is only 15ft long. It will still lift a good sized log... as long as the motor stays runnin :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Maine logger88 on November 10, 2014, 05:35:52 PM
Sent a couple loads today figured I'd snap a couple pics. First one is loading a load of oak tops a guy is buying for firewood.
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/34559/image~5.jpg)
And a load of logs.
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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: eichenberg93 on November 10, 2014, 06:34:09 PM
Nice load of logs. Just missing a few axles and a Pup Trailer for Michigan ;) How much can you scale on a setup like that?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Maine logger88 on November 10, 2014, 06:53:05 PM
Thanks! Of oak legal only 3500 too 4000. Softwood probably 5000 I'm not 100 percent sure I'm not used too sending tri axle loads usually I cut trailer loads for my father and grandfather but there both busy doing earthwork
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: chester_tree _farmah on November 10, 2014, 07:18:44 PM
U r pretty darn close for not being sure. :-) Nice load. That truck bed looks longer than typical but maybe it is just the angle of the pic. R they all 8's?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: eichenberg93 on November 10, 2014, 07:21:22 PM
Is that international Scale or Doyle? Whats the GVW of a Tri-axle in Maine?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: snowstorm on November 10, 2014, 07:24:12 PM
Quote from: eichenberg93 on November 10, 2014, 07:21:22 PM
Is that international Scale or Doyle? Whats the GVW of a Tri-axle in Maine?
international rule....75900lbs
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Maine logger88 on November 10, 2014, 07:40:43 PM
It's 9's and 10's front and rear and 8's on sideways. It's a 26ft body!
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on November 10, 2014, 07:45:07 PM
Maine logger88,where are 8-9-10 load going and for what? Most places don't like many 8's. 9's is diffeant too.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: BargeMonkey on November 10, 2014, 08:55:05 PM
Thats a nice load of wood, now we all know who's got the money around here.  ;)   unless im shipping to bailies or a buyer, the mill im dealing with wants nothing over 12' with trim now. Works out better for me. I like the idea of stacking the 8's sideways, my bunks just arent set up for it. Have you worn that Clark out yet ?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Maine logger88 on November 10, 2014, 09:09:06 PM
They like oak and hardwood sawlogs 8' and 10' and veneer oak is 9' and 10' pine spruce and hemlock they don't like short tho.
No I haven't wore the Clark out yet but it is wearing me out lol
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: chester_tree _farmah on November 11, 2014, 05:24:29 AM
Yah da veneer they want 9'6 10'6 and 11'6 deer and da  high value HW day take 8 all da day long up in da nort here. :-)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Maine logger88 on November 11, 2014, 05:16:30 PM
Might as well post another pic I guess here's a load of hemlock from today.
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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Woodhauler on November 11, 2014, 05:29:53 PM
Quote from: Maine logger88 on November 11, 2014, 05:16:30 PM
Might as well post another pic I guess here's a load of hemlock from today.
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Garys getting brave!
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Maine logger88 on November 11, 2014, 06:05:46 PM
Yeah it's a good size load but the hemlock on this lot hasn't been weighing up very heavy
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: chester_tree _farmah on November 11, 2014, 07:48:55 PM
That going to Chester Forest Products?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Maine logger88 on November 11, 2014, 09:05:27 PM
It's going too Farmington chip plant who chips it for New Paige. I have sold some too Chester before it's been a few years tho. I believe they also chip for New Paige don't they?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: chester_tree _farmah on November 11, 2014, 09:27:42 PM
Not sure but they process a lot of hemlock. They buy studwood, tree length saw grade and pulp. Bit of a treck from down there but they list what they r paying in this New Brunswick price list.  The 8' pays decent but is labor intensive but u end up with a load of pulp from the tops if u cut enough.
  http://www.ysc.nb.ca/PRICELIST.html
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Maine logger88 on November 11, 2014, 10:01:42 PM
Yeah there good guys too deal with it's just quite a hike up there is the only reason I don't sell them more. I cut most of my hemlock and pine pulp 8ft it's not bad if you push it up even and cut a bunch up at once. The lot I'm on now is ED Bessey land and they wanted it too go to Farmington so that's where we are sending it which is fine by me
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: BargeMonkey on November 11, 2014, 10:14:19 PM
 I got digging thru the computer tonight and found some pictures i thought where gone, figured i would post them.  :D
 

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Thats the beast i started out with, actually worked good. Was kind of a pain to move being so high and wide. Had an expandable under carriage if you wanted too. 

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The day she went on the trailer down the road. I should have kept it and added a heal and grapple on it. Simple to work on. Had 1750hr original when i sold it. Had sat in a barn for 20yrs. 

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Ive got a couple good Irene photos. That was my garage and backyard. Thank you FEMA for all your help.  :D  sore subject. 

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My neighbors house. 

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One of the better looking roads. 

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Friend of mine wanted that oak butt for a table, he just got it finished and i have to get pictures.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: chester_tree _farmah on November 11, 2014, 10:35:35 PM
Quote from: Maine logger88 on November 11, 2014, 10:01:42 PM
Yeah there good guys too deal with it's just quite a hike up there is the only reason I don't sell them more. I cut most of my hemlock and pine pulp 8ft it's not bad if you push it up even and cut a bunch up at once. The lot I'm on now is ED Bessey land and they wanted it too go to Farmington so that's where we are sending it which is fine by me

Does he still have a log yard?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Maine logger88 on November 11, 2014, 11:43:54 PM
That's a cool old machine bargemonkey! Do you have the pic of when the guy flipped it? Man that's bad! Was that a river by there house that was overflowing or just runoff that made a river?
Chester they have a yard in Ellsworth and a yard in Newport. The oak logs and HW pulp is going too the Newport yard. They also have some contracts at the mills and have a huge amount of land around the area
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: chester_tree _farmah on November 11, 2014, 11:51:58 PM
Yeah I heard about him and was looking for his Newport yard to compare some prices but it sounded like he had closed it. That was about a year ago. Sounds like HC Haynes up this way.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: BargeMonkey on November 12, 2014, 12:01:29 AM
Somewhere ive got a picture of the tracks pointed for the sky, have to find it. Took a 330C and 325C cat excavator's to stand her back up.
That was a tiny creek in back of the house. Used to be 100ft behind the garage. Got the garage. My house. Alot of people lost everything. I spent a few months in that forwarder picking up storm debris.
People that had nothing to start with collected big from fema, but if you had house insurance it became a blame game of who would do something. The town had just recently dumped a few 100yds of material over the bank which funneled the water towards me and the neighbor. I bought the house when i was 19, my parents didnt want me blowing my boat checks, after almost 2yrs of fighting and lawyers i calmly put the keys in the mail and walked away.  :(   
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Maine logger88 on November 12, 2014, 12:24:26 AM
No it's still going they actually just put in a new yard it's a lot nicer than there old one. I can pm you the # too the main office in hinkley if you ever want too get prices from them.
Wow that's terrible too lose your house like that. How long ago was that?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 1270d on November 13, 2014, 05:36:56 PM
Some decent pine

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: snowstorm on November 13, 2014, 06:16:09 PM
Quote from: 1270d on November 13, 2014, 05:36:56 PM
Some decent pine

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how is the ponsse working out? fill us in
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Maine logger88 on November 13, 2014, 06:28:05 PM
Some nice looking stuff! How much snow do you have up there?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: BargeMonkey on November 13, 2014, 09:05:23 PM
 That is a nice looking picture. If you had to buy one would you stay away from a 6 wheeler and go 8 ? Is a 1010B to small for mt country ? My 230 just doesnt have the snot or stability for around here.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 1270d on November 13, 2014, 10:03:21 PM
Quote from: snowstorm on November 13, 2014, 06:16:09 PM
Quote from: 1270d on November 13, 2014, 05:36:56 PM
Some decent pine

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how is the ponsse working out? fill us in

its a real nice machine.  One of the best parts about it is being able to customize the controls however you like  There has to be a hundred different control options and you can put them on any button you like, in any order, at any time.  The leveling/stabilization system works very well.  Well enough you dont notice it working....ever.

Quote from: Maine logger88 on November 13, 2014, 06:28:05 PM


Some nice looking stuff! How much snow do you have up there?

Theres mayber 12 to 14 inches on the job. about 15 miles away in one of the snow belts 42 inches was recorded

Quote from: BargeMonkey on November 13, 2014, 09:05:23 PM

That is a nice looking picture. If you had to buy one would you stay away from a 6 wheeler and go 8 ? Is a 1010B to small for mt country ? My 230 just doesnt have the snot or stability for around here.

If your only working harder ground a six wheel is great.  eight if you need the extra traction or flotation.  The 1010s are great forwarders.  There is a 1010d just out of the picture on the right, its been a real good machine with plenty of power.  The john deere powered ones have excellent power, cant speak to the other engines.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: keen on November 16, 2014, 08:36:42 PM
It's been a while since I posted any picture. Here is a few of the cuts we did this year.
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Some good size hard maple. Nice mature woods with no under brush to deal with.
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Harvesting some ash for my amish neighbor. In my area the amish are not allowed to  use chainsaws so we do a lot of cutting for them. Sure was nice to get to the job site in less than a minute.
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Laying out some strips of aspen. Trying to keep them lined up as good as possible so the forwarder can get loaded quick. The aspen on this job has been running around 50 cord of acre. Good production wood.
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The old tree farmer earning its keep. The logs are cut at 7ft and sent to the local amish for pallet wood. Hoping to have processor marks on the logs soon. The wife said once I pay a few things off I can pull the trigger.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Dave Shepard on November 16, 2014, 09:16:51 PM
What are the long logs on the trailer for? Are they long just for convenience, or are they for a special product?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: keen on November 16, 2014, 09:29:41 PM
The long logs will be marked and bucked for veneer at the mill. Saves us some bucking and decision making.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: CuddleBugFirewood on November 16, 2014, 09:40:03 PM
Keen. That's nice looking maple logs.   


Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: keen on November 16, 2014, 10:05:12 PM
It was some nice timber. This is the landowner in the pic, retired detective heck of a nice guy. Nice woods with little under growth makes our job easy, wish I could stay in gravy patches like that all the time.
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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Maine logger88 on November 16, 2014, 10:09:10 PM
Nice looking stuff!
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: lopet on November 16, 2014, 10:18:59 PM
Thanks for sharing.  Is that a Hood loader on that porter ?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: coxy on November 17, 2014, 05:42:04 AM
if I had h maple like that my buyer would think I was cutting on the state  :D that looks like it should be a 5 dollar or more a foot log     is that ash or aspen in the saw pic  nice looking trees     thanks for sharing
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: BargeMonkey on November 17, 2014, 07:47:23 AM
Quote from: coxy on November 17, 2014, 05:42:04 AM
if I had h maple like that my buyer would think I was cutting on the state  :D
Isnt that the truth. I know where some cherry sits on the state that would blow your mind. About 50 trees on top of the knob in a 2 acre spot. Smallest is maybe 28 dbh. Problem is its 3x the stump value and a fancy ankle bracelet.  ;)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: eichenberg93 on November 17, 2014, 07:57:55 AM
Some nice logs. Its always nice to cut with no Brush. How many cord can you get on the forwarder?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: keen on November 17, 2014, 10:30:26 AM
Yep lopet, its a hood loader on the porter. Its been a good machine got a good deal on it and put a little time  in it getting it running good.

Coxy your  right on the maple price. Small hearted veneer on large logs like that can bring 3-8 dollars a foot. It amazes me what trees like that can sell for. The pic with the saw is aspen, the saw has a 24" bar on it. That's a good sized healthy aspen for our area.

Sounds like some whoppers BargeMonkey, its always good to see some bigguns still standing.

Eichenber93 the clear ground makes up for all the time spent cutting around thorn apple and otamolive trees lol. The forwarder will hold two cord of 8 footers.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: sawguy21 on November 17, 2014, 10:19:19 PM
You got enough rubber under that load? ;D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: CuddleBugFirewood on November 18, 2014, 09:57:55 PM
How do I get this image to rotate 90 degrees.... I tried the crop and rotate, and save... I uploaded from a phone, but am posting now from a computer...  When I view it in my album it brings up the large picture correctly when I click on crop and rotate. 



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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: CuddleBugFirewood on November 19, 2014, 01:18:19 PM
Ha, not sure why it looks right now, so well try again... Yoder Job 2014.  I about 90 acres timber, I am about 1/2 done.  Will take me a while.




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Swing boom in action.. had to cut the log in two, to get by a few trees without skinning them up. 




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High stump along skid road on right is due to old barb wire fence.  Seems like a fair number of trees on this job have had fence in them, and if they are mertchantable I will go ahead and cut because they will never be good veneer trees with the metal stain in them.



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damage and tops... the trees you see bent over or scarred are elm trees, and are generally cut in a tsi situation....  The have come in under the shade of the oaks as they seem to be more tolerant of shade.  What is not shown is a small red oak about 30 foot high to the left of the picture that did not get squished.  The tops make good brush piles for wildlife, and the amish landowner and neighbors will cut many of them up for firewood.



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All the green leaves = The enemy of the woods.... Amur Honeysuckle.... aka bush honeysuckle.  This will eventually take over much of our eastern woodlots...This spot is not too bad..yet.  others in his wood lot I had to make a path with the skidder or duck under all of it to get to the trees to harvest.  The landowner I am cutting on has no plans to control this invaisve, and this farm is next to my dads, which we have painstakingly worked to rid the woods of this invaisve.  We are trying to convince him to at least do some controled burns or let the kids loose with some loppers.



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small red oak I left... you can tell by the top it was suppressed.  My experience suggest these types of "leave" trees will either die or be surpassed by another tree in about 10 to 20 years...What do the foresters think... I thought about cutting it and letting it stump sprout. 



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A few leave trees. One on the right most would cut around 22 inches or so, but i had a small group opening just outside pict and wanted to leave for seed.  The red oak right here seemed to be doing well and I suspect those two trees will be about 25 to 30 inches in about 20 - 30 years when this farmers son has a harvest done.  A clump of post oak in the background. 

Need to get some pics of the log piles next....



Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: BargeMonkey on November 19, 2014, 09:54:25 PM
 

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The one woodlot you dont wanna cut when the weather turns bad. Steep. Rocky. 1 mile skid. Want to get in and get out. 

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Thats looking N/E, skid road goes up another 400 ft at a wicked graded then your staring DOWN on Windham Mt. There is some ok timber, alot of it is ice damaged and wind twisted.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Maine logger88 on November 19, 2014, 10:03:24 PM
Some decent looking stuff! That 450 should work good on a long skid like that
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on November 20, 2014, 03:13:14 PM
Started this CTL northern hardwoods job just before the heavy snows came in. Working in some step hills, so don't know if our logger can get the job done this winter with the excessive early heavy snow. Also since the transmission on his Timberjack forwarder went out yesterday and they are working on it in the woods today under less than favorable weather conditions. The "low points" of being a logger. ;)


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: BargeMonkey on November 20, 2014, 08:00:04 PM
 

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Hitch after hitch. Roads are so narrow if you slip 1 wheel off your done. ive been getting 9-10 good ones to a drag, she handles it fine just a pain turning corners.   

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Theres a pile of wood sitting there now, finishing slashing in the morning. When i say MONTHS cutting HM, BC, and RO on this lot, theres alot there there.  :D :D :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Maine logger88 on November 20, 2014, 09:18:17 PM
Now those are some nice sized hitches! Looks like the jack pulls good!


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Following the truck out tonight after work
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on November 21, 2014, 12:29:06 AM
 Nice drag, Bargemonkey! 8)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ken on November 21, 2014, 06:46:45 PM
Quote from: Ron Scott on November 20, 2014, 03:13:14 PM
Also since the transmission on his Timberjack forwarder went out yesterday and they are working on it in the woods today under less than favorable weather conditions. The "low points" of being a logger. ;)


 

Have done my fair share of in woods mechanic work.  Not much fun.  We just got done doing 2 weeks of repair and maintenance to my old Timberjack forwarder.  Clutch, brakes, hydraulic pump, hoses, welding, etc, etc.  We did however have a shop to work in. 

Nice hitch BargeMonkey.  Doesn't take many of those trips to load a truck.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: BargeMonkey on November 21, 2014, 10:29:24 PM
 Thanks, i think its time for small fenders. Had 6 tonight coming out, i figure there was 1500mbft and 2-3 cords. Its all downhill, about 1.5 miles to the back of the lot. 

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Soft maple right on the skidroad. It twists like that for about 40', we have a buyer who looks for those for furniture.


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Keep pounding them out. 

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I took about 20 skidder pictures today but they wont load for some reason. Way up on top of the mountain. 

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Not bad for 2 days, still had about 30 to slash but it got too dark to see the logs clearly. Parked everything and hit it hard when i get home again.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: lopet on November 21, 2014, 10:43:38 PM
Nice pics BM.  I ve never seen a twister like that. What do think is causing something like that ?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: BargeMonkey on November 21, 2014, 10:53:45 PM
Uhm, WIND.  :D  this is way up on the mountain, just a horrible place to be 364 days out of the year, alot of the stuff im cutting the tops are all broken from some bad ice storms. Ive had a few like this, they are around if you look. Special wood like that can bring 30-50 a running ft depending. My parents sawed some for the new house just like that, looks awesome. They will keep a 1"-1.5" slab with that twist and use it on "rustic" furniture. We cant keep pine slabs, wood from the "Catskill" imported to the "Adirondack's" for the people with more money than brains.  :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Kodiakmac on November 22, 2014, 11:28:08 PM
Quote from: lopet on November 21, 2014, 10:43:38 PM
Nice pics BM.  I ve never seen a twister like that. What do think is causing something like that ?

Got to be global warming.  :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Mainer_for_life on November 25, 2014, 12:35:32 PM
I don't know to much about other places but here in Maine they either cut it tree length Nd take it out on trailers that are 4 feet wider on either side than the truck or they do cut to length logging with processors and forwarders.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: BargeMonkey on November 25, 2014, 10:49:27 PM
 

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Finally got her moved this morning, told the driver to let me know how it went, this is what i got.  :D     ive been having a horrible time getting pictures to load on the FF lately, maybe 1/5 of them take. No rhyme or reason to it. ??? 
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on November 25, 2014, 11:29:37 PM
I was having a bugger of a time with loading pictures off of my Samsung S5, it turns out they were too big. I resize them first, and they always load now.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: dustintheblood on November 25, 2014, 11:45:06 PM
1270d it's good to see that you're using the Ponsee Scorpion.  I've followed their product development, but haven't talked to anyone who's worked it yet.  How's the operator liking it?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 1270d on November 26, 2014, 05:48:24 PM
I am the operator, and I love it.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Maine logger88 on November 29, 2014, 04:24:27 PM
Pulled some hemlock in the snow today. About the perfect amount to make the roads nice but not be hard walking. Too bad it's gonna warm up tomorrow and Monday.


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: chester_tree _farmah on November 29, 2014, 08:58:29 PM
The old Clark is getting it done ML88...
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Maine logger88 on November 30, 2014, 01:18:22 AM
Yeah it's been doing the job got one more load to pull then this job is finished then I can take a couple days and fix my Jack then save up and then on to the Deere gotta have them up and going soon got a couple decent lots to cut this winter
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: BargeMonkey on November 30, 2014, 10:12:43 AM
 Dont you hate cutting wood at one place for too long ? The closer you get to being done the better the feeling.  :D 
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Corley5 on November 30, 2014, 02:18:44 PM
Quote from: BargeMonkey on November 30, 2014, 10:12:43 AM
Dont you hate cutting wood at one place for too long ? The closer you get to being done the better the feeling.  :D

Yup  ;D 8)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on November 30, 2014, 03:09:18 PM
I know what you guys are saying, I think I have been on this job for at least two months. I think we've cut over 3000 cords already, and maybe another 1000 to go.
     Here's a landing shot the other morning, my machine is warming up. The other operator is more on the ball and is piling his first load already.


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This is how much more capacity the Buffalo King forwarder has over the standard Buffalo. We each loaded 2 bunks on a crib trailer, and I had this much left.


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Autocar on November 30, 2014, 03:22:03 PM
Nice looking timber everyone, Keen probably the nicest hard maple I have ever seen thanks for scharing all the pictures.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Maine logger88 on November 30, 2014, 04:05:27 PM
Quote from: BargeMonkey on November 30, 2014, 10:12:43 AM
Dont you hate cutting wood at one place for too long ? The closer you get to being done the better the feeling.  :D
Yup I do it's nice to get the big lots but I have been here since mid august and I'm ready to get on to the next one! Looks good barbender I like seeing big piles of wood! Is there one or two prossesors cutting ahead of you?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on November 30, 2014, 04:23:39 PM
Just one, with two operators that are alternating long days, they must be in the machine 12 hours each day.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Maine logger88 on November 30, 2014, 04:32:46 PM
So it doesn't stop for long then! With two operators how much are they cutting per day?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on November 30, 2014, 08:51:12 PM
I'm having a hard time explaining this, operator A comes in Monday and works a 12 hour day. On Tuesday operator B comes in and works a 12 hour day. So the machi e is working 12 hours a day, not 24. At that, I have seen them get into a poor patch and cut 60 cords a day, and other days they are getting well over 100 cords. I am moving 70-80 cords per day, and managed to fall over 1000 cords behind them so they are putting out the wood. Yes that is right, 1000 cords- the second forwarder has been with me for 8 days, together we are landing about 150 cords a day. We're still 3 days cutting behind :o
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Maine logger88 on November 30, 2014, 09:42:37 PM
O gotcha. That's some good production numbers!
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: eichenberg93 on December 04, 2014, 06:42:15 PM
Nothing better than a running feller for a birthday present 8)

Morbark Wolverine cutting Some Popple



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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: lopet on December 04, 2014, 07:14:30 PM
Well then happy b day  eichenberg 93.  You must have your brake problem solved, it looks like she's chopping.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: eichenberg93 on December 09, 2014, 06:20:05 PM
1942 Fwd Truck 6x6 with Prentice Loader and bar saw Slasher



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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: lopet on December 09, 2014, 06:58:22 PM
And still going strong  8)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: sawguy21 on December 09, 2014, 10:10:55 PM
That is really something, I am impressed. ;D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: coxy on December 10, 2014, 07:20:44 AM
lets see if all the new computer junk  is still around in 74years  :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: eichenberg93 on December 10, 2014, 12:07:37 PM
Quote from: coxy on December 10, 2014, 07:20:44 AM
lets see if all the new computer junk  is still around in 74years  :D

exactly  ;)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Dave Shepard on December 10, 2014, 12:19:17 PM
The computers will have taken over in 74 years and we will be their slaves. Oh, wait, we already are their slaves. :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Southside on December 10, 2014, 08:26:25 PM
I see the date on those photos is September 12.  The white fungus on those logs would really concern me that time of year. 
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: lopet on December 10, 2014, 08:37:30 PM
 :D :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: eichenberg93 on December 10, 2014, 08:41:05 PM
I was wondering if anyone would see that. If that's the case its been one cold September ;D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on December 10, 2014, 11:25:17 PM
    This is a crib trailer I'm loading out, that's one forwarder load of black spruce on the trailer. Spruce is a light wood, I don't remember how much it weighs offhand but not much over 4000 pounds per cord. I can barely fit a legal load (88,000 lbs.) on this trailer, the uprights are a bit short.

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   Our conventional crew cut everything on this sale except for 700 cords of black spruce. I'm picking up black spruce with the forwarder while the slasher works in the background.

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on December 13, 2014, 09:20:27 PM
A few more from this black spruce sale-

     Some nice black spruce, this stuff is much larger than average. Some of these sticks are probably 14-16" dbh

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     Black spruce pile, marked with the contract processor operator's initials so he gets paid for it

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    My crane folded up for greasing

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: lopet on December 13, 2014, 10:50:59 PM
Are you still working on this big job ? That's some nice spruce.
Like your stake extensions.
I am always dreaming of one of those picker uppers. Maybe some day, but it won't be such a fancy one. ;D 
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on December 13, 2014, 11:48:51 PM
This is a new job I've been on for a week. 750 cords or so of cut to length wood. I'd guess there was 1500-2000 that the conventional crew cut. From the pics I've seen of your operation, lopet, a "picker upper" would work great for you ;)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: BargeMonkey on December 16, 2014, 09:28:07 AM
 Well its been 2 wks, and im guessing if im lucky it will only be another 4-6wks. The wife isnt too happy but she likes the paychecks. No woodlot in my future. Figured i would throw a few pictures on. 

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Thats what 35,000 gross tons looks like. 160' wide. 790' feet long. Not huge for down south but large for up here with only a 3000hp boat. 

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The joke show known as the Tappan Zee Bridge. Dropping all the material off there now too.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on December 16, 2014, 09:30:40 AM
Nice pictures of something that I will never see. I've been across the Tappan Zee Bridge a few times.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Skidder Kev on December 16, 2014, 09:38:03 AM
What is it that you are hauling BM
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: tule peak timber on December 16, 2014, 10:02:51 AM
cool pics. Where are you at ? I used to pilot and navigate, with a much smaller ticket. Left it all behind in 1999. Rob
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: BargeMonkey on December 16, 2014, 10:21:15 AM
 Crushed stone and aggregate, a little sand sometimes. Im the chief engineer on the big pushboat they have, running from Poughkeepsie to NYC basically every day. About 4.5 mil tons this year, or 3\4 of the stone NYC uses. Figured i would throw a few pictures up, something different. my equipment sits on the job covered in snow, my relief quit and i told them i would stay. The new wife isnt used to this, she has gotten used to 1-2 wks at a time, she isnt liking this. We are putting in a gas station\ country store at home, the price of stuff is thru the roof so im just going to sit here and stack cash for as long as i can. it will take more than 6-8 wks to break me, did 178 straight once.  :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on December 16, 2014, 01:13:31 PM
178 :o You're an animal! You have to make sure it doesn't break her though  ;)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Jamie_C on December 16, 2014, 05:57:20 PM
My regular machine was broke down today so i was running the spare processor, a Tigercat 860 with a Hornet Head 

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: lopet on December 16, 2014, 06:05:31 PM
Sometimes you gotta go where the money is.  Keep the pictures coming BM.  Got one of the push boat ?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: redneck logger on December 16, 2014, 06:20:36 PM
If you dont mind me asking jamie who do you work for ive heard those hornet heads are almost bullet proof
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Jamie_C on December 16, 2014, 06:26:53 PM
I work for E & R Langille, there are 3 Hornets on our crew, 2 run daily and 1 is a spare  ... all on 860/870 carriers.

They are a near bulletproof head, can put a lot of wood through them.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: redneck logger on December 16, 2014, 06:57:53 PM
haha i kind of figured jamie thats why i asked
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: tule peak timber on December 16, 2014, 07:56:27 PM
Personally , I'm interested in the machinery space...Pics   ?  Rob
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: submarinesailor on December 16, 2014, 09:36:13 PM
Quote from: BargeMonkey on December 16, 2014, 09:28:07 AM
The joke show known as the Tappan Zee Bridge. Dropping all the material off there now too.

I read somewhere that Ne York State brought in one of the worlds largest floating cranes to make the replacement go faster.

Bruce

BTW - Spend 210 days submerged one year.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: BargeMonkey on December 16, 2014, 09:40:25 PM
Quote from: redneck logger on December 16, 2014, 06:57:53 PM
haha i kind of figured jamie thats why i asked
They are only a "short wood head" right ? looks like a bundle of hose.  :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: BargeMonkey on December 16, 2014, 10:08:36 PM
Quote from: submarinesailor on December 16, 2014, 09:36:13 PM
Quote from: BargeMonkey on December 16, 2014, 09:28:07 AM
The joke show known as the Tappan Zee Bridge. Dropping all the material off there now too.

I read somewhere that Ne York State brought in one of the worlds largest floating cranes to make the replacement go faster.

Bruce

BTW - Spend 210 days submerged one year.
Ive worked with 2 ex-submariners, something about being under for 200+ days days something to your brain.  :D   my newest deckhand is fresh off a flight deck, good kid.


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There is the "left coast lifter". Was built for a bridge job out there, now sitting here. I wouldnt have wanted to be on the boat towing it over.  :D


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Thats the "quantum of the seas" maiden entrance into NYC a couple weeks ago. Something nice to look at @0630 on crew change morning. 

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The mate took that picture a few yrs ago, one of the nicer ones. Ive got some others in my gallery. Things are changing out here, and not for the good.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Southside on December 16, 2014, 11:25:19 PM
In what way Barge Monkey?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: BargeMonkey on December 17, 2014, 12:04:10 AM
Quote from: Southside logger on December 16, 2014, 11:25:19 PM
In what way Barge Monkey?
Its a double edged sword,
The USCG and the maritime schools are getting closer to finally restricting this industry to the "grad children". The workboats historically where "hawsepipe" guys, father then son, family friends, it was a close industry. Due to the dead U.S flagged ship industry it isnt that way anymore. Not saying its completely for the bad but its changed things. My family was on the tugs out of NYC in 1903 when we came over from Sweden / Norway.
The companys are doing more with less. less people, more hours, more paperwork. Im looking at another 4+ wks of classes in the next 18 months just to keep up with the requirements. Very few guys stay anywhere any amount of time, 1\2 of the tug companies in NY are gone from when i started 13yrs ago. The guys in the gulf are sweating it right now, they chased the high paying OSV jobs, have been makeing crazy money, now stuff is slowing down and boats are being stacked. Like anything it goes in a cycle, i saw the good times in 05-07, then the bottom fell out in 08. Basically it comes down to you looking out for YOU, alot of these guys will be handing out baskets at walmart in a few yrs because they allowed themselves to become complacent.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Piston on December 17, 2014, 02:01:09 AM
Enjoyed your forestry pics BargeMonkey, and I'm enjoying the tug pics as well.  It's definitely not easy on the wife when she's used to 1-2 weeks, but it makes seeing you that much better when you finally do get home. 



Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: luvmexfood on December 17, 2014, 02:43:06 AM
BargeMonkey. After you load or pick-up loaded barges how long does it take to push them down to NYC? Do you have to bunk on the tug and how's the food?

There was a link on here awhile back about life in the timber camps in the early 1900's. Thought it funny that a worker would quit one camp and go to another sometimes for less money if they had a better cook.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: BargeMonkey on December 17, 2014, 04:42:56 AM
 We turn a trip in 24-26hrs. Thats making up a light tow of 7-9-15 empty barges, head up the river, grab a loaded tow and back down to the city. It 60 up, 60 back. We work the deckhands like savages, i help out what i can. We dont eat to bad, no actual designated cook on this boat.
Ive seen guys quit to get on a newer boat and to get the holidays off. Its still a weird, unique industry, there are some laws on the books that will make you scratch your head.
If i am overseas, stuck, no money, cant get home, i walk down to the first US flagged vessel i see, coming back, and by law they have to take me onboard, in the capacity of my ticket or its some astronomical fine.   
Ive worked with the guy who owns this website, does a great job.  Www.tugboatinformation.com
Somehow the wife got her wish and im going home monday for 1 week,  :D 
 
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ford_man on December 17, 2014, 07:12:13 AM
Sounds like the wife has more authority than you think. lol lol lol lol lol lol lol
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Dave Shepard on December 17, 2014, 07:59:55 AM
I heard on the radio this morning that a couple of floating concrete silos filled with aggregate at the Tappan Zee bridge collapsed yesterday. Was that some of your material?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: BargeMonkey on December 17, 2014, 08:29:04 AM
  They are mixing concrete on a large portable batch plant on the west side of the bridge, yeah i would imagine its stuff we have brought down.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Dom on December 17, 2014, 11:27:34 AM
Quote from: Jamie_C on December 16, 2014, 05:57:20 PM
My regular machine was broke down today so i was running the spare processor, a Tigercat 860 with a Hornet Head 

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Those heads are basic, but tough. I think they went under the name Target as well!?

Sounds like a good combo for the carrier/head. Hard to believe of someone having a spare harvester, but definitely a good idea if you can swing it.


Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: g_man on December 17, 2014, 03:27:04 PM
Hey BM your pics reminded me of the times I had a ride on a push boat. Single heated barge of hot asphalt from Baton Rouge down the mighty Mississippi and across the gulf to Tampa. They pushed until they got to the gulf then they decoupled the barge and towed it with about 100 yds rope about 4" in diameter if I remember right. One thing I definitely remember was that the boat could not stop going down stream w/o beaching up on the bank which we had to do one time because the product lab test showed bad. We were a couple hrs down river. It was early 70's. It was an ESSO barge with two 750 hp Cats. A couple had blown up. Company I worked for was hired by ESSO to figure out why since Cat said it was ESSO's fault.  We put pressure and temperature sensors all over those engines with recorders and alarms. I had about a half dozen trips across. Engines ran perfect. 
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: BargeMonkey on December 17, 2014, 11:19:56 PM
 Youve been to "redstick"  :D  Baton Rouge in cajun. Thats mile marker 242-246 i believe, end of the road for a larger vessel, made a trip from redstick once, to, San juan, Savanah, Norfolk, Albany, Portland, then back to Baton Rouge. Wasnt a fun adventure. Had a good fire @ 0200 about 30 miles off the D.R with no one coming to save us getting our brains beaten in pushing 100kbbl of blue super high test aviation gasoline. Fun times. I worked black oil 1 season on the G.L's for a company out of MI, dont miss that. Most people dont realize you can get your butt kicked sailing out of Cleveland. They have a strip club on the Cayahoga in Cleveland with a lighthouse on it, like a magnet for us sailor types.  :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on December 21, 2014, 08:21:51 PM
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     Another load of black spruce, ready to head for the mill. This truck is light, about 29K empty, and can legally run 88K. That figures out to about 15 cords, IF I can fit it all on ::)


Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 1270d on December 21, 2014, 08:37:07 PM
Do you load the trailers while they wait, or are they spotted for you to load?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on December 21, 2014, 09:32:23 PM
I load them while they wait. These are contracted trucks, all of our company trucks have center mount loaders. We do have a crib trailer I've loaded maybe twice, our drivers will hook up to it if they for some reason can't operate their center mount. Anyways, if it's a short skid, it all comes directly out of the woods onto the truck. If it's a long skid, I bring one skid out and load the rest out of the pile. I get a truck loaded in 35-45 minutes, with a load on the machine and the remainder out of the pile (with spruce) It's kind of a pain because you are trying to fit every stick you can to get enough weight on. Also, if I am loading out of the pile, that's time not spent skidding and it does affect the load count at the end of the day.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: M Cook on December 23, 2014, 10:44:21 PM
 

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 1270d on December 23, 2014, 10:51:28 PM
I like watching those whole tree chip jobs run.  What kind of saw heads/skidders are you running?  Was a bit north of you on a GFP chip job a few years ago.  The guy running the buncher there was a pro.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: M Cook on December 23, 2014, 11:02:33 PM
We're running a prentice 2670 and a new Cat 573c for bunchers, a Cat 545c, 2 848 JD, 1 660 TH and a new 535d Cats kidder on order.  Our chipper is a Morbark 2755 flailchipharvestor, running next to a prentice 2384 loader with a Hanfab 60 in slasher.  Our chip fans are 6 axle 50 ft, averaging about 37 tons in aspen, we put out 10-12 loads per day. 

Mike Cook
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 1270d on December 23, 2014, 11:20:18 PM
You have got to be happy to see off road under 3$
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: M Cook on December 24, 2014, 08:48:02 AM
1270d

Yes I am, chip operations produce a lot of wood but burn a lot of fuel.  We better enjoy these prices while we can.  I have 2 guys bunching wood, 1 is new the other has been doing it for over 10 years, I keep him in a new machine most weeks he lays down 800-1000 cords of wood, it still amazes me after all these years. 

Merry Christmas,
Mike Cook
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on December 24, 2014, 12:56:27 PM
Mike,

Nice pictures, I see your chip vans on the road quite a bit over this way.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on December 25, 2014, 08:24:16 PM
I like seeing all the tires under those MI trailers.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Maine logger88 on December 28, 2014, 09:43:55 AM
 

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A decent pine I cut yesterday I couldn't get the skidder close enough to push so had to do it the old fashion way
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 1270d on December 28, 2014, 10:19:00 AM
That's a nice white pine.  How did it cut out?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Dave Shepard on December 28, 2014, 10:27:27 AM
Put a stamp on that thing and send it to Alford. :D I cut a bunch of nice looking pine last winter only to find a big hole in that end. :(
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Maine logger88 on December 28, 2014, 01:38:53 PM
Quote from: 1270d on December 28, 2014, 10:19:00 AM
That's a nice white pine.  How did it cut out?
It only had2 16' logs and a 12' log then about 4 sticks of 8' pulp it got real crooked at 45'
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Maine logger88 on December 28, 2014, 01:41:02 PM
Quote from: Dave Shepard on December 28, 2014, 10:27:27 AM
Put a stamp on that thing and send it to Alford. :D I cut a bunch of nice looking pine last winter only to find a big hole in that end. :(
I would but I couldn't afford that many stamps lol! Yeah it always sucks when there's a hole in the end of a nice looking stick
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: coxy on December 28, 2014, 05:45:42 PM
at least you have a good saw  :D :D :D  71-72 or 66  nice pine
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Maine logger88 on December 28, 2014, 07:30:52 PM
It's a 66 that I ground the transfers on its been a good saw I have two just alike time to buy another getting to be that time of year I like to start off winter with at least one new saw
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: coxy on December 28, 2014, 07:57:26 PM
I have started the winter off with 2 the first one got mushed  :D :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Maine logger88 on December 28, 2014, 08:12:44 PM
O really that always sucks. What did you get 66s?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ed_K on January 05, 2015, 08:24:14 AM
 

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: coxy on January 05, 2015, 03:53:39 PM
ed is that yours that's neat  ;D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Puffergas on January 05, 2015, 07:31:09 PM
Quote from: coxy on January 05, 2015, 03:53:39 PM
ed is that yours that's neat  ;D

And nice woods..!!    ;D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ed_K on January 05, 2015, 07:49:34 PM
It belongs to my boss at the highway garage.He just installed the Tajfun winch this fall.Before it had the winch that came on the front of the duce and half.I'll get a pic of the way he set up the winch when it warms a little.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: brendonv on January 06, 2015, 08:27:46 PM
Just messing with uploading vids from phone.

http://youtu.be/Pnda0Y_0PsQ
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: brendonv on January 06, 2015, 08:34:00 PM
Thats a fail. Uploaded private some how dont know how to change it on ipad.

Edit. Figured it out
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: longtime lurker on January 07, 2015, 05:22:00 AM
Grabbed a few pics (mobile phone so please forgive the quality) on the last load out for 2014.

First we get to leave home:

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thats the front "lawn" at home so it can be difficult at times, depending on how the fish are biting.

Then we drive up the mountain:



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The road is barely wide enough for two cars to pass each other. Make one a truck and it can be a case of slow down and creep past each other or at times someone gets to back up to a wide spot. Going up isn't such a problem but coming down can be a bit "intesting" at times, and downright terrifying at others. Running the jinker with full length logs we put a pilot vehicle out front for the 15 odd miles of the range road proper. Today we's only on clean up duty - shorts and the last few full logs that it wasn't worth sending a tractor trailer rig up for.

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: longtime lurker on January 07, 2015, 05:31:51 AM
The current block is a mix of "eucalypts". There's rose gum, red mahogany, Turpentine, and Bloodwood in this block. The harvest zone has around 4000 acres of workable ground and we'll take off somewhere around 3000 tonnes of sawlog over the next few years. The plan is to utilise this block for our annual "wet season" logs - we get rain like Alaska gets snow, and what logs we have in the mill yard at the end of December usually have to carry us through to early May.



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This block was last cut about 40 or so years back so what we're getting is a mix of regrowth and larger logs that were deliberately left last time. In turn we leave a % of the larger timber for the next crew - the aim of this is to harvest on a 40 year cycle and have a mix of log sizes. What doesnt really show in this picture is the length of them - a lot of those logs will give 2 "tree length" logs at 45 foot each. 90' to the first branch isn't uncommon in a rose gum block. We don't take anyhting under 18" dbh as a general rule, and a fair percentage of these will be hitting 36" dbh.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: longtime lurker on January 07, 2015, 05:42:29 AM
Logs are cut exclusively with a chainsaw, and the length issue means it takes a fair degree of skill to get them on the ground cleanly, and sometimes a lot of winching and blocks when things dont go according to plan. Then they get pulled to the ramp by skidder or sometimes the dozer, then loaded with a wheel loader. The heavy gear has gone home for the wet when these pictures were taken so all thats left to load is the JCB. It is nominally a 2.5t machine but the counterweight has been expanded and she'll handle closer to 4t.



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Logs are broken for loading on the little truck as required, which is determined by either the max length I think I can get away with or the lift capacity of the gear. I run overlength and overweight a lot in the body truck - no onboard scales and the reality is that Australian hardwoods weigh heavy. About 1.5 times the density of red oak, to give you guys a frame of reference.

Last of the logs on the ramp:

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: longtime lurker on January 07, 2015, 05:55:06 AM
Then back down the hill to home with the jakes echoing off those rock walls all the way down. You mightn't be able to see me coming but you'd have to be deaf not to hear it. Up the coast to the mill and unload.



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Reminding ourselves that we better get the waterpump back into the yard loader soon because this "short log" caper is a little bit tough on the 2t forklift. :D

Last load of logs for 2014 "in".



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Probably around the 12t mark on that load. Mind the wet appears to be late and if it doesn't rain in the next week we might just throw a skidder on and go back and get some more. 8)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on January 07, 2015, 06:12:48 AM
Thanks for the pictures and how things are down in your part of the world.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: coxy on January 07, 2015, 06:56:40 AM
nice pics that poor little kitty cat  >:( in the one pic it looks there was a fire or is that how the first 5ft of the tree looks standing they look burnt  :)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: longtime lurker on January 07, 2015, 03:09:41 PM
Quote from: coxy on January 07, 2015, 06:56:40 AM
nice pics that poor little kitty cat  >:( in the one pic it looks there was a fire or is that how the first 5ft of the tree looks standing they look burnt  :)

Fire is part of the cycle in  eucalypt woodlands. Mostly they need to burn every couple of years, the hard shells on the seed pods require the heat to crack open so they can grow. Doesn't hurt the live trees at all - they have thick bark either full length or in a "stocking " at the base to protect the tree - and it helps to clear out competing weeds etc also. The major problem that arises is when they don't burn regularly, excessive fuel loads can make for fires that are uncontrolablely hot.
Working after a burn is nicer... we might have to suck a bit of ash with the dust but we can actually see where we're going in there. Dead logs are very slow to burn, particularly turpentine which is one of the most fire retardant timbers in the world. There's old stumps and trees on the ground that might be 100 years old in there and all they have is some charring.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: coxy on January 07, 2015, 06:59:37 PM
 thanks for the info    do you have a pic of a turpentine tree never heard of one  ;D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Puffergas on January 07, 2015, 07:13:10 PM
The Reo is gone but not forgoten... 8)

Resting


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Rear view


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Landing


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Skidding


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In the yard


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Out the back window


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Another hitch


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:new_year:
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on January 07, 2015, 07:16:54 PM
Puffergas,thanks alot!!
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on January 09, 2015, 10:41:04 AM
Building a pile-
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     I like to lay out the wood the length of where the pile will be, it makes it easier to build the pile straight.

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     Then I take my "bucket" (lake states term for grapple) and tap things straight. Keeping the bucket half open kind of works like a plumb bob and helps me keep the face of the pile vertical.

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      Then you just keep adding on and going up ;)
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     When you have that one piled up, start another row, if you have room-

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on January 09, 2015, 10:43:55 AM
I thought this scene was pretty, this is a mature stand of second growth Red pine after a fresh snowfall. Unfortunately that's not what we're cutting, it was just where my machine was parked ::)

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: lopet on January 09, 2015, 06:39:38 PM
You always have some pretty neat piles barbender. Keep up  the good work.  ;)  The truckers must really like you.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 1270d on January 09, 2015, 06:47:02 PM
nice piling Barbender.  Ive been cutting some black spruce if the buncher breaks down.  Pushed a stick down 22 ft yesterday ;D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: WDH on January 09, 2015, 08:16:46 PM
Barbender,

Those are some plumb nice piles. 
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Corley5 on January 09, 2015, 08:18:07 PM
Too nice  ;) ;D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Maine logger88 on January 09, 2015, 08:36:37 PM
Looks nice! We call them buckets around here too
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: snowstorm on January 09, 2015, 08:40:06 PM
Quote from: 1270d on January 09, 2015, 06:47:02 PM
nice piling Barbender.  Ive been cutting some black spruce if the buncher breaks down.  Pushed a stick down 22 ft yesterday ;D
yup 22ft you remembered that i pushed one down 21'6" last winter
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ed_K on January 09, 2015, 08:40:28 PM
I spoiled my trucker too,but not that much  ;D .You didn't run a string did you  ;) .
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Southside on January 09, 2015, 10:04:30 PM
Quote from: snowstorm on January 09, 2015, 08:40:06 PM
Quote from: 1270d on January 09, 2015, 06:47:02 PM
nice piling Barbender.  Ive been cutting some black spruce if the buncher breaks down.  Pushed a stick down 22 ft yesterday ;D
yup 22ft you remembered that i pushed one down 21'6" last winter

Be careful snowstorm, someplace I have photos of a tracked processor that went down just as far in February one year.  One big hole had to be dug to get her out. 
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Dave Shepard on January 09, 2015, 10:09:51 PM
Quote from: Ed_K on January 09, 2015, 08:40:28 PM
I spoiled my trucker too,but not that much  ;D .You didn't run a string did you  ;) .

A string is ok, but using a theodolite is pushing it. :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 1270d on January 09, 2015, 10:46:06 PM
Quote from: snowstorm on January 09, 2015, 08:40:06 PM
Quote from: 1270d on January 09, 2015, 06:47:02 PM
nice piling Barbender.  Ive been cutting some black spruce if the buncher breaks down.  Pushed a stick down 22 ft yesterday ;D
yup 22ft you remembered that i pushed one down 21'6" last winter

:laugh:  whats your deepest bog?  they do get a bit spooky at times.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: WDH on January 10, 2015, 07:39:14 AM
I would like to see Barbender's sticker stacks  ;D. 
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on January 10, 2015, 11:16:28 AM
No stringlines or anything- I did spend many years on an asphalt paving crew where I had to make people's driveways look nice. Curves, straight lines, all had to be done by eye because you don't use forms with asphalt. So, I probably go about things with a different perspective ::) I think I may leave real loggers shaking their heads :D
     1270d, this particular region we are working is somewhat unique, the spruce tracts are basically wet sand instead of actual bogs. Frequently, Jack pine is interspersed with the spruce, and it can be a real bugger to tell them apart if the processor operator isn't helping you out.
    WDH, I've made some nice looking lumber piles, and some I sure wouldn't  want Red oaks lumber to see ;D One of my prouder moments was when last summer, I had my 14 and 12 year old daughters sticker some white oak decking, unsupervised, and when I inpected their work I found that I wouldn't have done it nicer myself. I did heap some praise on them for that ;)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: snowstorm on January 10, 2015, 05:17:15 PM
Quote from: 1270d on January 09, 2015, 10:46:06 PM
Quote from: snowstorm on January 09, 2015, 08:40:06 PM
Quote from: 1270d on January 09, 2015, 06:47:02 PM
nice piling Barbender.  Ive been cutting some black spruce if the buncher breaks down.  Pushed a stick down 22 ft yesterday ;D
yup 22ft you remembered that i pushed one down 21'6" last winter

:laugh:  whats your deepest bog?  they do get a bit spooky at times.
that was it. it gets you to thinking how fast would this machine sink. on the other side of the same swamp a tracked machine went down. part of the cab sticking out
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 1270d on January 10, 2015, 07:15:37 PM
Are you enjoying the rottne?  Happy with the switch from valmet?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: snowstorm on January 10, 2015, 08:26:28 PM
Quote from: 1270d on January 10, 2015, 07:15:37 PM
Are you enjoying the rottne?  Happy with the switch from valmet?
night an day difference. the valmet was cheap at the time and the keto head had pretty low hrs on it. it was a 546.pretty simple to work on. rottne bigger cab air ride heated seat. more hp hy stat  piston pumps. one thing i dont like it dosent have a lot of swing power. its ok most of the time. temp at -5 i shut the pumps off turn the key its running. no either. i like that iveco motor
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on January 11, 2015, 08:50:55 PM
Well done on the decking, very professional to show case the decked wood on the landing. One never knows when the media will be taking pictures. ;)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ken on January 12, 2015, 08:20:11 PM
Am I the only one foolish enough to sell 4' wood?  A local greenhouse heats 2 outdoor boilers and uses about 150 cord/year.  He pays well although it is a lot of work on our end.  Been a client of mine for the past 3 years.



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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: snowstorm on January 12, 2015, 08:34:17 PM
we used to here. i hauled a lot of it. 4ft sp that was slashed wasnt all that bad. and it was stick scale
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: lopet on January 12, 2015, 08:50:24 PM
I used to have a couple of guys with out door boilers, but only about 15 cord each. One got a little lazy and put up a feed bin and now burns either corn or pellets, where ever he gets the better deal. The other guy sold the property, never heard  who bought it.  In my case it was a lot of manual labor and I don't miss that part.
I mean, it all depends what your setup is. I assume you buck the logs on the landing with your processor and load and unload with your grapple loader then I think it can't be that bad.
I would probably  hang on to a customer like that, then you never know if logging will slow down again. Just my 2 cents. 
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Corley5 on January 12, 2015, 08:57:40 PM
There used to be pallet mills in the area that bought 38", 42", 46", 50", and 72".  They're all closed now.  Fifties were my favorite.  We loaded them by hand.  I had a loader tractor but it was faster by hand.  To be young and foolish again ;)  I've had inquiries about long wood for boilers but won't do anything longer that 22".
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: huskyxp on January 13, 2015, 09:01:04 PM
I remember cutting 4' pulp which they would load on trailers here in Yarmouth and ship across to maine by ferry :) be nice if  US market was still a option.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on January 13, 2015, 09:04:27 PM
Boise,in Rumford Maine only took 4 foot back in '93. I think they use to stick scale it too?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: huskyxp on January 13, 2015, 09:54:32 PM
Some reason I'm thinkin it went from bar harbour to bucksport , but not sure
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: snowstorm on January 14, 2015, 05:48:35 AM
Quote from: huskyxp on January 13, 2015, 09:54:32 PM
Some reason I'm thinkin it went from bar harbour to bucksport , but not sure
yes you are right. the mill was st regis later champion then  ip  then verso  now closed. the mill also owned several thousand ac around yarmouth
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: coxy on January 14, 2015, 04:21:17 PM
do they still own the land if so what do they do with it
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Maine logger88 on January 14, 2015, 05:49:17 PM
 

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Been cutting some hemlock the last couple days it's smaller stuff but I need to clean up this corner of the lot
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: dsgsr on January 14, 2015, 05:52:39 PM
Quote from: Maine logger88 on January 14, 2015, 05:49:17 PM


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Been cutting some hemlock the last couple days it's smaller stuff but I need to clean up this corner of the lot

Really nice looking piles, where you cutting.

David
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Maine logger88 on January 14, 2015, 06:04:49 PM
Thank you. I am cutting in Belmont
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: David-L on January 14, 2015, 06:06:58 PM
Looking good, nice and tidy.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: coxy on January 14, 2015, 07:18:39 PM
first pics look like cherry    yes nice piles
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: snowstorm on January 14, 2015, 07:36:11 PM
Quote from: coxy on January 14, 2015, 04:21:17 PM
do they still own the land if so what do they do with it
when it was champion they owned it. then when they sold to the IP they sold the land . this is what i was told and he worked for the mill so he should know
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on January 14, 2015, 10:23:23 PM
Nice looking landing, Mainecutter ;) (Or whatever you folks call it up there-header?)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Maine logger88 on January 16, 2015, 07:25:42 PM
Thank you. We call it a yard in this area. Different meaning than door yard btw lol! Tho I have put my yard in a dooryard before haha!
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on January 17, 2015, 01:29:48 AM
Quote from: Maine logger88 on January 16, 2015, 07:25:42 PM
Thank you. We call it a yard in this area. Different meaning than door yard btw lol! Tho I have put my yard in a dooryard before haha!

     Yeah, you  Mainiacs already helped with the interpretation of "dooryard" and "dustpan" ;)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: sawguy21 on January 17, 2015, 12:46:16 PM
Here that would be called a yard. Logs are skidded out and loaded at the landing.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: whiskers on January 17, 2015, 09:38:17 PM
 

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Quote from: coxy on January 07, 2015, 06:59:37 PM
thanks for the info    do you have a pic of a turpentine tree never heard of one  ;D

stump from a turpentine tree felled before the mid fiftys when a forest fire burned through this place. I fetched it in from out back, thought it looked a bit more appealing than a pt 4x4 for the street numbers. this area was known for stills, turpentine and moonshine. turpentine ended years ago, moonshine not so much.
link with pics from the good ole days  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turpentine   
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 1270d on January 20, 2015, 08:18:22 PM
Cut some nice pines today.   This is about a cord shy of the whole tree
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Another load on the way to the road
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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Maine logger88 on January 20, 2015, 08:31:57 PM
Nice looking pine! About how many ft to a load?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 1270d on January 20, 2015, 09:39:16 PM
I think about 3000 ft on the forwarder is a big load.  The bottom log in the first pic scaled 1100 Scribner.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Maine logger88 on January 20, 2015, 11:32:58 PM
Wow that's a nice tree! 8)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ed_K on January 21, 2015, 05:00:15 PM
Finally got the camera to work.
Getting warmed up for the morning.


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Would these make sawlogs?


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One of the hemlock pile.


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One of the cordwood pile.


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It's slow going but I'm having fun and making a little $.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Maine logger88 on January 21, 2015, 05:59:04 PM
Looks good thanks for sharing the pics! What brand of skidder is that?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: lopet on January 21, 2015, 07:11:38 PM
Nice piles Ed.  Did you switch skidders ?  Thought you had a old Tj.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 4x4American on January 21, 2015, 07:21:39 PM
Quote from: Ron Scott on March 30, 2002, 04:59:17 PM
Kevin,

Excellent picture. It's hard to find a chain saw on some of the jobs here anymore. I sure endorse them for still doing some of the better quality work.

How about expaining some of your "colorful" clothing and its purpose, i.e. the Kevlar boots etc. 

You ain't kiddin, lots of tennis shoe logging going on.  My neighbor is an independant log trucker, he's got a Hood 7000 loader and a pup trailer, and he told me he only trucks for the little guys with just a skidder and a chainsaw.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ed_K on January 21, 2015, 08:32:17 PM
1972 Taylor model 112 gearamatic 19 winch 18.4-34 tires, I've had it since 2000.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: lopet on January 21, 2015, 11:22:34 PM
Sorry, must have something mixed up. ;D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Maine logger88 on January 26, 2015, 10:40:42 PM
Some hemlock we cut the last 3 days
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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: JohnM on January 26, 2015, 11:04:08 PM
Quote from: Maine logger88 on January 26, 2015, 10:40:42 PM
Some hemlock we cut the last 3 days
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You work some nice lots over there, ML.  I drive by a yard on 131 in Swanville that is a pretty good size operation from what I can see, a lot of wood coming out of it at least.  I'd take pics of it but feel weird asking to photo their job so I can put it on the web. :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Maine logger88 on January 27, 2015, 12:14:02 AM
Yeah I have been lucky for the most part! If it's the same outfit I'm thinking of then that guy is a nice guy his name is Bernard.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: JohnM on January 27, 2015, 10:53:35 AM
Quote from: Maine logger88 on January 27, 2015, 12:14:02 AM
If it's the same outfit I'm thinking of then that guy is a nice guy his name is Bernard.
We're (the crew I'm on) building a house  just down the road from the yard, can hear his fellerbuncher all day. ;D  He's got a big grapple skidder and a delimber in in the yard.  I've seen a number of nice loads drive by over the last few weeks, including several really nice loads of saw logs that I wish were being dropped off beside my Lucas.  >:( ;) :D  Assume those were headed to Robbins.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ken on February 03, 2015, 07:46:04 PM
Cold day with lots of fresh snow in central NB.  Three large storms in the past couple of weeks and another on its way.  Started the harvester on a new block yesterday.  The block was precommercially thinned around 25 years ago.  Small diameter wood but lots of it.

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: treeslayer2003 on February 04, 2015, 04:23:27 PM
tulip poplar


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Dave Shepard on February 04, 2015, 04:39:15 PM
I don't run into much of it around here. I do like sawing it on the mill.  :)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: clww on February 04, 2015, 09:03:13 PM
Those are some mighty nice poplars, treeslayer! Diameter average? ???
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: treeslayer2003 on February 04, 2015, 10:08:29 PM
Quote from: clww on February 04, 2015, 09:03:13 PM
Those are some mighty nice poplars, treeslayer! Diameter average? ???
never messured, 36" bar wouldn't go thru any of them. ima have trouble getting the big ones out lol
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: coxy on February 05, 2015, 07:21:08 AM
nice wood   poplars are they heavy or light
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Dave Shepard on February 05, 2015, 10:26:20 AM
Does tulip poplar stay sound when it gets big? I've only sawn eight trees off of one of the properties we had logged where I used to work, so I don't have a lot of experience with it.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: treeslayer2003 on February 05, 2015, 05:56:59 PM
coxy, they can be either but as a rule, large ones are heavy like any kind of tree. also depends on the ground and water.......dry sites tend to yield lighter stems.

Dave, they can have holes, i have cut them 7' wide but just a shell. biggest sound one i have cut was about 6' wide and it had a little hole bout the size of a baseball. that don't hurt it though. as above, ground and water have alot to do with it.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Southside on February 05, 2015, 11:32:54 PM
You're not kidding water has a lot to do with it.  I cut into one last year with my Fabtek - must have been 15 gallons or more of water that came gushing out of the cut and began spraying all over the head - I thought I blew a main feed hose on the head so I killed the hydraulic feed lever and when that did not stem the flow to speak I killed the engine thinking I was about to pump my hydraulic tank dry.  The water was still running and I was scratching my head trying to figure out what to do and if the tree was going to topple over.  Took a minute of looking a the head to figure out what was actually happening.  When I got it down the center had a big hole but nothing above so it was storing water in there.  Quite the lesson.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: treeslayer2003 on February 06, 2015, 08:41:24 AM
ha ha ha, try that hand falling lol. get a stinky bath. sweet gum and some types of red oak are the worst.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: lopet on February 06, 2015, 06:49:20 PM
........ or soft maple. Done that, been there and you look like you are sprayed on with hydraulic fluid. :D :D
The tree maybe thought, if you cut me down , i am gonna give it to you !  :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on February 07, 2015, 05:42:30 PM
 The John Deere 550D Crawler is left on the job to open and grade the access roads and plow snow as needed. Dull/Kellogg Timber Harvest 2015


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The Timberjack 209A Cable Skidder pulls tree lengths off the steep hillsides being worked.


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Tree lengths are then cut to length for forwarding to the landing.
 

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The Valmet 546 Forwarder carries the cut lengths to the landing.


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Maine logger88 on February 07, 2015, 10:42:26 PM
Looks like a slick operation! I've still been fighting the snow...


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ken on February 08, 2015, 04:27:54 PM
Always enjoy your pictures Ron Scott.  Very nice looking woods.  Maine logger88 those woods also look very nice.  I bet the jack is doing more winching of trees than dragging them through all that snow. 

Here is my view for the next few weeks.  Small diameter wood, mostly balsam fir in old thinnings.  The tree in the head shows two trees that merged into one at about 10 feet.  Don't see that too often.   

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Maine logger88 on February 08, 2015, 07:36:11 PM
Yeah it's definatly doing a lot of winching which isn't super productive. Not bad softwood must be pretty decent tons per acre? How does deep snow affect CTL bad good or not make a difference?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on February 08, 2015, 08:17:50 PM
The deeper the snow gets, the harder it is on our CTL jobs, especially on the steeper terrain, as it just gets harder to get around in the snow. One job had to shut down for now mainly because of the snow conditions and steepness of the slopes remaining to log. They will finish up after the snow leaves.

The conditions on another area we're logging are still pretty good since the snow isn't too deep yet and the slopes aren't as long and steep and they have better equipment for handling the conditions.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on February 08, 2015, 08:25:23 PM
I just saw the guy that cut my land,CTL,he still going strong. Yes,it's harder,but the job has to be done.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on February 08, 2015, 08:37:16 PM
Timberjack 209A Cable Skidder works tree lengths from the hills. Dull/Kellogg Timber Harvest 2015.


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The Valmet 546 Double Bunk Forwarder carries the CTL pieces to the landing for product sorting. The landing is near a well traveled county road so it it cabled off to prevent passerby's from entering into the sale area and removing pieces from the wood deck for firewood, especially on weekends when the loggers usually aren't there.


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: coxy on February 08, 2015, 09:45:50 PM
never new they made a 290 tj whats the difference in the 290 to the 240
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on February 08, 2015, 11:47:05 PM
Not sure other than that's what the operator said it was. It's an older one that has been recently rebuilt. I'll have to check it out closer the next time I'm there.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on February 09, 2015, 04:44:58 PM
The 546 Valmet cleans the skid route from the overnight snow during its first morning run. Dull/Kellogg timber harvest 2015.


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A mixed load of hardwoods is forwarded to the landing.


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Maine logger88 on February 11, 2015, 05:39:41 PM
Fell off the oak while I was limbing it and went right too my waist 20" on the saw the bartip is just touching the ground


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Had a bunch of decent sticks like this


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on February 11, 2015, 05:45:47 PM
The Timberjack Cable Skidder pulls tree lengths to flat ground for hand cutter to cut hardwood products to length (CTL); Dull/Kellogg timber harvest 2015


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Hardwood sawlogs cut to length waiting to be forwarded to the landing/decking area.


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: coxy on February 11, 2015, 06:59:18 PM
those h maple shur are nice  8)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on February 14, 2015, 12:38:32 PM
Timberjack 230A Forwarder works a northern hardwoods timber sale. This job has now shut down due to the deep snow with about 60 trees yet to reach and remove from the steep slope areas. Riehl Timber Harvest, November, 2014.


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: chevytaHOE5674 on February 14, 2015, 05:29:21 PM
You would think that with temps around -20° F at night and daytime highs only in the teens and 4-5 feet of snow on the ground that you wouldn't have to worry about mud. Two hours later with some pulling from the processor and some digging the forwarder was back on dry ground.

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on February 14, 2015, 05:31:14 PM
I have a bog that would treat you the same way.  ::)  It never freezes.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: coxy on February 14, 2015, 06:39:37 PM
didn't some one say in another post that forwarders was the only way to go cause they didn't leave ruts  :D :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: so il logger on February 14, 2015, 06:50:10 PM
Quote from: coxy on February 14, 2015, 06:39:37 PM
didn't some one say in another post that forwarders was the only way to go cause they didn't leave ruts  :D :D

Yes I think iv'e seen that somewhere as well  ;D ::)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 1270d on February 14, 2015, 06:58:35 PM
creating frog habitat!

If you need bog frozen it needs to be ripped up pretty good and left rutted and lumpy, then mixed and ripped up again.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: coxy on February 14, 2015, 07:04:34 PM
Quote from: 1270d on February 14, 2015, 06:58:35 PM
creating frog habitat!

If you need bog frozen it needs to be ripped up pretty good and left rutted and lumpy, then mixed and ripped up again.
:D :D :D 8) 8)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on February 14, 2015, 08:07:18 PM
1270d,well I guess they got the ripped up pretty good and left rutted and lumpy part done once. Wonder it they will go back and do it again?   :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on February 14, 2015, 08:12:38 PM
Ron, I wish we had more high quality hardwood stands like in your pictures, because I would really like to have an operation like that- hand falling, cable skidder, and small forwarder. I'm starting to get a bit "portly" sitting in a "porter" all day on northern MN pulpwood harvests :)
 
     Chevy, I've not fallen through with the forwarder yet where I couldn't get myself out. The frame lock overide switch is your friend in those situations. It is pretty tough to get out without assistance once you lose the front end of the machine though.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: chevytaHOE5674 on February 14, 2015, 09:34:22 PM
Oddly enough I had been driving over that spot with the processor for almost a week and it seemed hard as rock (like I said nights were well below zero). Ground just decided that it didn't want to hold up the empty forwarder. haha

Wouldn't have been too bad except the blade was hung up on a stump that was up on a little mound.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 1270d on February 14, 2015, 09:41:53 PM
Its always impresses me where you could skid with a Caribou.  I broke through the mat on a swamp strip with our 346 Fabtek totally empty. The other operator (in a fully loaded Caribou) went around me, off the mat, and pulled me out.  Fabtek is a boat anchor in wet/soft ground though.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on February 16, 2015, 01:37:31 PM
Some recognition to the loggers during these cold work days.

http://gowood.blogspot.com/2015/02/loggers-work-while-rest-of-us-stay.html

      Chuck Ray's Blog
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: lopet on February 16, 2015, 06:45:08 PM
Wow, quite a bit of scrap iron in this video.  But hats off to those guys, who maneuver this big loads.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: g_man on February 16, 2015, 09:26:39 PM
I liked those Ron.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on February 19, 2015, 07:15:16 PM
Idaho Woodhauler near Idaho Falls on its way to the mill yesterday.


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on February 20, 2015, 01:22:08 PM
Coxy,
This is a 209D Timberjack Cable Skidder, not a 290 as the operator was calling it. I checked the tag on it. Its an early vintage machine and still going strong.


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: ga jones on February 20, 2015, 03:35:29 PM
Shickshinny pa mixed hardwood 2014.

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: ga jones on February 20, 2015, 03:40:07 PM
 

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: so il logger on February 20, 2015, 03:55:33 PM
Them are dandy red oak GA Jones
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on February 20, 2015, 06:32:55 PM
Nice!!
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: chevytaHOE5674 on February 20, 2015, 06:37:43 PM
Barbender my forwarder guy got himself stuck again today. I hopped in and tried the frame lock override with the boom swung over to the side and I was able to walk it right out. Thanks for the tip.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on February 20, 2015, 09:40:08 PM
Cool! I'm glad it worked for you, it's got me out of quite a few pinches ;)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: coxy on February 20, 2015, 10:38:18 PM
Quote from: Ron Scott on February 20, 2015, 01:22:08 PM
Coxy,
This is a 209D Timberjack Cable Skidder, not a 290 as the operator was calling it. I checked the tag on it. Its an early vintage machine and still going strong.


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im all about old iron she is a dandy ;D the nice part of old iron is just about every penny is profit  :)  is the steering on the dash or over on the right hand side where the batteries are
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: affordabletreesd on February 21, 2015, 11:23:25 AM
I'm looking at buying one like this how do you like it
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on February 21, 2015, 03:33:47 PM
The sawmill owner must like it since he has been running it as his primary and only cable skidder for the past 20 years that I know of. He just overhauled it last summer. I'll check the steering location on it for sure my next time on the job.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on February 21, 2015, 03:39:53 PM
A cold morning at the landing. The loggers aren't working today with the equipment parked waiting a warmer morning start up. Dull/Kellogg timber harvest, 2/18/15


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: coxy on February 21, 2015, 07:07:30 PM
ron your part of the country looks a bit like ours with the hills and valleys  good pics  ;D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on February 22, 2015, 04:04:07 PM
We are logging the property of two landowners who have their homes on neighboring hilltops for their landscapes view. This makes for some tricky operations planning.
One of the landowners hilltop homes. Dull/Kellogg timber harvest 2/18/15


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Selection cutting in hill country hardwoods.


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Forwarder trail route down hill terrain to one of the landings.


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: coxy on February 22, 2015, 07:03:31 PM
how many ac are you cutting
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on February 22, 2015, 09:04:30 PM
 146.80 MBF and 97.10 Cords on 31 acres.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on February 27, 2015, 05:52:49 PM
Wake up Ponsses, there's daylight in the swamp ;)


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: snowstorm on February 27, 2015, 06:06:25 PM
leten daylight in to swamp. that saying came from maine. wayyyy back when
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 1270d on March 05, 2015, 07:15:50 PM
www.youtube.com/watch?v=43fIX5oAK1M
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: lumbertick on March 05, 2015, 07:33:49 PM
1270D Let's see a video of that scorpion working!
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: lopet on March 05, 2015, 07:46:14 PM
You'll be running out of trees soon. :)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on March 08, 2015, 07:27:06 PM
Coxy,

The steering lever on the 209 D Timberjack is a lever in the center of the machine. Serial # 779756


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on March 12, 2015, 06:24:16 PM
CTL Logging on a hilltop. Dull/Kellogg timber harvest, 3/15


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: coxy on March 12, 2015, 08:14:01 PM
thanks ron on some of the other/older ones it was  on the side by the batteries  don't think I could get the hang of it  ;D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on March 13, 2015, 06:58:05 PM
CTL harvest on hilltop. The 209D Timberjack cable skidder pulls the cut tree lengths from the side slopes to the hilltop with its winch where they are cut to product lengths to be forwarded to the landing. Dull/Kellogg timber harvest, 3/15.


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ken on March 13, 2015, 07:48:16 PM
Thanks for the pics Ron Scott.  I noticed the guys wearing chaps instead of safety pants.  Chaps are not very common around here.  Are they commonly worn in your area?  Beautiful tall hwd timber in your area. 
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: coxy on March 13, 2015, 08:08:52 PM
looks a little steep ;)  could you please send me that dead beech cut in 20in chunks and split 1 time in half  thanks  :D :D :D :D 8) 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on March 14, 2015, 12:09:23 PM
Ken,

They wear both chaps and safety pants here depending upon one's preference. Chaps are usually used more during the winter weather for comfort and fit with the heavier cloths worn underneath for warmth.

Coxy,

Yes, the area is a series of steep rolling slopes. Access to each slope area is slow and a a specific challenge.The dead beech is being left as a "wildlife tree", ;)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ken on March 17, 2015, 06:01:47 PM
These two old timberjacks have a combined hour meter reading of 68000+ hours and are working daily.  Tough machines

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: lopet on March 17, 2015, 07:05:21 PM
I don't see anybody with a big grin in his face. Those machines have paid for them self more than once.  smiley_thumbsup
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: BargeMonkey on March 17, 2015, 09:24:57 PM
 Thats a good looking picture.  :D   how does the 4bt run in your 230 ? My 230 has a 353 and semi gutless and ive pondered either swapping or just wait till i upgrade. Will that 1010 climb a decent hill loaded ?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: BargeMonkey on March 17, 2015, 11:28:09 PM
 

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I like to make sure each one gets a hug before it gets the 395 / 3120 treatment. You cut and skid 12 of these a day alone and you know it.  :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: sawguy21 on March 18, 2015, 09:53:29 AM
 :o For a moment I thought that tree fell on him.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Maine logger88 on March 18, 2015, 05:34:12 PM
Nice tree! I cut some pine today nothing huge but added up decent


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Dave Shepard on March 18, 2015, 05:51:30 PM
That's the stuff I like for timbers. Big enough to get the timber, small enough to not produce a lot of side lumber. :)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Maine logger88 on March 18, 2015, 06:06:52 PM
Yeah it's actually my favorite size stuff to cut 3 or 4 trees to the thousand easy to cut and limb and grades well!
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on March 21, 2015, 01:29:12 PM
   Let's see if I can figure out how to link to a video-
Pine on the landing: http://youtu.be/NZkDQ9ixfIQ

  I hope you all enjoy the Pow-wow music as much as me :D I have two radio stations on this job, classical MPR and KOJB "the Eagle", I was leaning towards my native heritage ;D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Clark on March 21, 2015, 02:07:15 PM
Barbender - Is this some of the pine along Hwy 46 they have marked?

88.5 was always my go to station when someone wanted to listen to country, which I do not listen to. Compromise with classical!

Clark
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on March 21, 2015, 02:22:19 PM
     Clark,
We are about 1/4 mile off of 46, out of sight from the road. There are multiple cutting blocks though, and I haven't looked them all over.

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: so il logger on March 21, 2015, 03:31:43 PM
Not so sure about the tune's.. :D :D But you are a very talented operator barbender ;) DanG nice work  8)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on March 21, 2015, 05:03:05 PM
It's an acquired taste ;D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 4x4American on March 21, 2015, 07:58:04 PM
great operating, like an extension of your body.  I can see what you mean about the music!  I think it was kinda cool, and if I was running something all day I'd listen to it too.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: WDH on March 21, 2015, 09:12:59 PM
Sounded a bit like rain dance music  ;D. 
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ken on March 21, 2015, 09:41:06 PM
Thanks barbender.  I would sure love to get a chance to work in timber like that
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on March 21, 2015, 10:23:58 PM
   
Quote from: WDH on March 21, 2015, 09:12:59 PM
Sounded a bit like rain dance music  ;D. 

     I didn't think of that, WDH! :D Ken, this stuff is a treat, especially for the processors. This pine forest is part of what is known as the "Avenue of the Pines" on Hwy 46, it is all pine that was planted by the CCC in the 30's. Here's another video from out in the woods, my wife said she would have done a better job filming if she would've known I was posting the video here :)  I have been driving 60-90 minutes one way to work for the last 9 months, so it is really nice to be close to home, I can have the family stop out and visit ;)

3-20: http://youtu.be/NF6-VddYaT0
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: so il logger on March 22, 2015, 12:15:08 AM
There ya go barbender the last video would be more my choice of tune's.  :D But after watching the other one again I can see where the tribal music would catch on.... and for sure would get a rythym going. Again great operating, really a joy to watch, thank's.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on March 22, 2015, 12:51:56 AM
.    The thing is, so il logger, it's all the same radio station. It actually suits me pretty good, they play everything from classic country to alternative, 80's British invasion synth pop to reggae- plus the pow-wow music (not to mention the KOJB Ojibwe Phrase of the Day) :D I like listening to Christian radio stations, and even classic rock, but when you sit there for 10-12 hours a day you get pretty sick of hearing the same songs over and over. So when I get in the area, I tune in to "the Eagle" because you never know what will come out of the speakers :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Maine logger88 on March 22, 2015, 01:27:45 AM
Looks good barbender nice stuff! Very smooth!
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: g_man on March 22, 2015, 09:11:24 AM
Nice video barbender. I love seeing you guys at work. Thanks for posting.  A couple of those grapple fulls would be a load for me  :D



 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/21065/P1100492.JPG)

gg
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Stephen Alford on March 22, 2015, 02:26:41 PM
   Yes Barbender, very nice, thank you for posting. Smoooooth comes to mind for sure. That appears to be a very stable porter but man that double acting extenda boom now that is "sweet".
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Gary_C on March 22, 2015, 03:07:14 PM
Nice video Barbender and those pictures look all too familiar except I've got a Valmet.

But I have to ask, what no sorts for bolts?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on March 22, 2015, 03:50:32 PM
Gary, it's all bolts ;) I've landed about 200 cords, and I have a pile of pulp that's about 5 cords. It's pretty much bolts to the top of the tree. We are sorting a few 10' and 12' logs, I've set out about 4 truck loads. We're only sorting logs out of stuff greater than 15" diameter.
     Stephen, this is a stable forwarder. I ran it for a month this winter with no frame lock, I wouldn't really notice unless I reached way out to the side with with no wood in the bunks. The sliding crane is nice- to be honest, the way these machines are configured you need the extensions. You can barely reach the ground without the extension because of theh height of the bunks.
     g man, yeah, 2 grapples would about do it ;D I love running forwarder, but sometimes I miss getting to fire up the old cable skidder and actually touch a tree with my hands :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Clark on March 22, 2015, 05:54:40 PM
Quote from: barbender on March 21, 2015, 10:23:58 PM
   ...This pine forest is part of what is known as the "Avenue of the Pines" on Hwy 46, it is all pine that was planted by the CCC in the 30's...

I'm pretty sure large portions of the "Avenue of Pines" were natural origin after a fire in the 1870-1880's. Maybe the block you are cutting was planted by the CCC? I'm not sure. I do know that they have a 7 acre chunk devoted to a long-term growing stock study and that spot (and surrounding areas) are fire origin and nearing 150 years old. Unfortunately they were not managed in any way until they were 70 years old so the largest trees are only ~28" DBH.

It would be interesting to know how many rings the stumps have on them...if you're not busy!

Clark
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on March 22, 2015, 09:46:36 PM
You know, Clark, that's very interesting. I don't know why I was assuming the CCC planted this stuff. The thought did cross my mind that the wood is pretty big for being 80 years old. Now you have me wondering- I will have to count some rings tomorrow ;)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on March 23, 2015, 09:20:00 PM
Well @Clark (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=6815), you were right on the money. I counted the rings on one log, 135+ :o It was hard to count some, there is a fire scar from the first 20 years, and the last 20 or so are really tight, so it could easily be 145-150. Before you brought this up, I was looking at a photo online of the Avenue of Pines online that looked to be from the 40's and the trees were quite large (makes sense if they were already 80 years old instead of 10  ::) ) Fascinating stuff, at least to me anyways ;)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Clark on March 23, 2015, 10:19:41 PM
Thanks for taking the time and counting. I've wondered how much of that pine is actually that old. I'd guess a lot of it is that old. It seems odd to have a stand of pure red pine that was naturally regenerated. I guess the birch and jack pine that came up with it died out 50-75 years ago.

You're not the first to think the CCC planted it. I heard a gov't employee (who should have known better) claim the same thing! Naturally they were claiming it was "bad" because it was "artificially" planted by man.

Also, please tell me this isn't for their climate change experiment...

Clark
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on March 24, 2015, 08:45:18 AM
I don't know what the purpose of this harvest is, Clark. Now that I know how old this stuff is, I'm surprised they are harvesting it. I don't know what BA we are thinning to, but there are a fair amount of mini-clearcut/wildlife openings (or whatever their purpose is), if that adds any insight. On another note, I heard on the radio the other day that one of the agencies, I don't remember if it was the USFS or MNDNR, was doing some experimental patch clearcuts in black ash stands and replanting swamp white oak- trying to head off EAB and or climate change.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Gary_C on March 24, 2015, 01:54:05 PM
Quote from: barbender on March 23, 2015, 09:20:00 PM
It was hard to count some, there is a fire scar from the first 20 years, and the last 20 or so are really tight,

There's your reason. It looks like those largest diameters you are harvesting are not large enough for the age of those trees.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Southside on March 24, 2015, 03:24:10 PM
Quote from: Gary_C on March 24, 2015, 01:54:05 PM
Quote from: barbender on March 23, 2015, 09:20:00 PM
It was hard to count some, there is a fire scar from the first 20 years, and the last 20 or so are really tight,

There's your reason. It looks like those largest diameters you are harvesting are not large enough for the age of those trees.

You lost me with that...
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Gary_C on March 24, 2015, 05:02:54 PM
Quote from: Southside logger on March 24, 2015, 03:24:10 PM
You lost me with that...

If you have 130-150 year old red pine, you should see a lot larger diameters than I'm seeing in the videos. Plus if the outer rings are very tight, it's time for a thinning.

Most likely the forester for the job has taken some bore samples and seen those tight rings and decided the stand either needed a thinning or a final harvest. So I suspect they are looking for some diameter growth with another thinning as it's unlikely they could get approval for a final harvest.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: coxy on March 24, 2015, 06:15:17 PM
is the tighter growth ring better/stronger for lumber :-\
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Clark on March 24, 2015, 07:02:15 PM
Gary - I'm pretty sure this is part of the Cutfoot Sioux Experimental forest. "Normal" management is out the window, this timber is more for ideas to be explored and regimes to be tested.  Final harvest, I'm sure, only rarely applies here.

Clark
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: WDH on March 24, 2015, 08:36:39 PM
They will just die of old age and fall down and become beetle food.  Nature does not care. 
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on March 24, 2015, 09:09:13 PM
I'd hate to cut them all down, I know that. But I was looking at another block today that looked like it had a beetle kill in it.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Clark on March 24, 2015, 11:07:04 PM
Considering that most of the experts claim red pine won't respond to release after the age of 100 or that it won't live past 150 and they have shown on the Cutfoot Experimental Forest that neither of those claims are true, I too would hate to seem them all go. Plus, where else in North America do you have several thousand (well, at least 1K) acres of red pine over 100 years old? Granted, it would be awesome to see more silviculture practiced but we've got what they have arranged.

@barbender (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=1286) - I'm going to start another topic on the study you heard about. It's pretty interesting and since you live close to it I'd like to give you more details without having it buried in this thread.

Clark
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on March 24, 2015, 11:52:14 PM
     Like @Clark (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=6815) said, this timber covers a very large area. You drive through it for about  6 miles on highway 46, and that's just the part the highway goes through. It is truly beautiful.
     Gary, my point was that I don't know why the USFS is doing this harvest. Typical timber management practices may not apply, it could have been for toad habitat or something ::). They don't operate the way the other forestry agencies do.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ken on March 25, 2015, 06:28:08 PM
Still a wee bit of snow here in the bush.  I just started a small job on the south end of a large field and alongside a public road..  The harvesting head is 4 1/2 feet tall for reference.  There are spots where it completely disappears when I reach for the butt of the tree.

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on March 25, 2015, 07:14:17 PM
Wow Ken! >:( We are snow free here, I think you guys out east got your portion, plus ours- and maybe someone else's too.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ryan D on March 25, 2015, 07:35:18 PM
I measured over 5ft of snow in my field yesterday. Gonna be a while yet before I can get back to work.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on March 25, 2015, 07:48:00 PM
Hey @coxy (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=14170), I forgot to reply to your question- yes, this slow grown pine would make some fine lumber, it is more stable than fast grown red pine. I'd really like to quartersaw some of it, I like the look of vertical grain pine.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: coxy on March 25, 2015, 11:14:37 PM
no problem  :)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 1270d on March 28, 2015, 12:20:13 AM
Thinning some hardwoods.  Mostly red oak in this clip.
http://youtu.be/8YsouCY7794
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: wannaergo on March 28, 2015, 11:46:40 AM
1270 is that a go pro camera? All the wood looks small. I still want to try working side by each to see how the two machines compare
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on March 28, 2015, 02:20:52 PM
  How are you liking the Scorpion after a winter in it, 1270d? It's a Scorpion King, right? Does yours have an H6 or H7 head?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 1270d on March 28, 2015, 06:22:26 PM
Video is with my phone.   This job is mostly pulp poles, not much diameter to it.

Barbender, it is a scorpion king, with the h7.  It has just over 900 hours on the meter now, and I like it more every week.  There has been a few problems here and there, but the service dept has been great.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on March 28, 2015, 06:59:40 PM
By the looks of the video, you've settled right into it ;)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ken on March 28, 2015, 07:51:00 PM
Thanks for the video 1270d.  That H7 has some good delimbing power.   I was looking at a Scorpion here at a local dealership.  Looks like a nice machine to work in.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: huskyxp on March 29, 2015, 04:27:04 PM
Nice video! You guys must have good wood prices to pay for a machine like that thinning wood that size! You'd be hard pressed to pay fuel cuttin that round here let alone payin insurance/operator/forwarding/stumpage/breakdowns etc...
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on March 30, 2015, 07:25:38 PM
1270D

Where's your job located in the UP?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on March 30, 2015, 07:35:01 PM
The landing and decking area during spring break-up. Road restrictions are on and trucking is restricted. The sawlogs and pulpwood will be decked until the trucking restrictions are lifted. Dull/Kellogg timber harvest, 3/15.


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Straightgrain on March 30, 2015, 10:01:49 PM
High Lead on a tank hull; perhaps an M48 or M60.

Not mine; it's located on what I believe is Stimson' land, above Tillamook Oregon.



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It has been parked in the same spot for at least 2 years.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Maine logger88 on March 30, 2015, 11:29:32 PM
That's cool I like to see yarders!
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: coxy on March 31, 2015, 06:57:28 AM
Ron    how much weight do you think gets lost in a pile of pulp like that from sitting maybe 2 weeks     nice looking logs     looks to be mostly hard maple
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on March 31, 2015, 10:29:35 AM
I got caught once with a load in the spring. The know it all guy up the road was having a fit that I was going to loose money on weight. ::)  Guess he thought it would pay to put it in the back of a pick up and haul it 2 miles to a unposted road.  ::)  I had all ready cut 2 loads,almost made it with the last load. Some of us have to work at another job to support the ones that can stand around all day and tell others how it needs to be done.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on March 31, 2015, 02:09:48 PM
Coxy

Yes, that is mostly all hard maple sitting on the landing. There would not be to much weight loss/cord for a 2 week sit on the landing at present weather conditions. It would depend upon the relative humidity around the site, but if weather is dry during the period it might average about 3.8#/cord/day weight loss on the hard maple pulpwood or a 53.5# loss/cord for a 2 week period.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 1270d on March 31, 2015, 05:43:20 PM
Quote from: Ron Scott on March 30, 2015, 07:25:38 PM
1270D

Where's your job located in the UP?

Central UP in Marquette county
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on March 31, 2015, 06:11:04 PM
Spring break up is a good time for a needed oil change on the forwarder. Dull/Kellogg timber harvest, 3/15


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on April 02, 2015, 04:32:26 PM
Tree lengths are CTL along the forwarder's route to be forwarded to the landing when the oil change is done.


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: g_man on April 02, 2015, 05:00:00 PM
Ron your roads seem to be staying in great shape.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on April 02, 2015, 05:57:58 PM
They're still frozen pretty well and the soil is a major factor.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on April 02, 2015, 11:24:40 PM
  A "plugged" landing- I was running out of room with no trucking for a few days. It's hard to tell in the picture, as a lot of the wood is "double ranked", but there is between 400 and 500 cords piled up here.

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: chep on April 02, 2015, 11:48:44 PM
Barbender. Awesome picture! How tall are those piles?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: BargeMonkey on April 03, 2015, 12:20:59 AM
Thats a good looking picture.  :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on April 03, 2015, 07:56:03 AM
Chep, some of the piles are getting up around 20'. I typically try not to pile that high, as it can be dangerous for the truckers. Sometimes we run out of landing room though, and the only way to go is up.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on April 03, 2015, 12:22:41 PM
Your truckers will appreciate the work waiting for them. :(
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: JohnM on April 03, 2015, 05:24:31 PM
Quote from: chep on April 02, 2015, 11:48:44 PM
Barbender. Awesome picture! How tall are those piles?
x2 Very cool pic, BB.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Maine logger88 on April 03, 2015, 05:37:53 PM
Nice looking piles as usual!
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on April 03, 2015, 06:08:49 PM
The 209D Timberjack pulls tree lengths off the hillside for CTL products. Dull/Kellogg timber harvest, 2/15.


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on April 03, 2015, 08:11:32 PM
My Father would say,That tree on the left is so crooked it would not make straight smoke.  :)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Maine logger88 on April 03, 2015, 09:20:03 PM
Quote from: thecfarm on April 03, 2015, 08:11:32 PM
My Father would say,That tree on the left is so crooked it would not make straight smoke.  :)
Haha my grandfather always says that lol!
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on April 03, 2015, 11:33:25 PM
Thanks for the compliments, guys ;)  Ron, I really like that cable skidder/forwarder system, that has to be about the lowest impact way of doing things, and for getting the best value out of sawtimber.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: WDH on April 04, 2015, 08:00:59 PM
Barbender,

Looks like Brazil. 
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on April 04, 2015, 08:19:12 PM
Quite a ways from Brazil, WDH  ;) This is a sale in what is called the "Cutfoot experimental forest), 150 year old Red pine (I learned that on here, I thought the CCC planted it ::)) It is a beautiful forest, I count it a privelege to have had the opportunity to work in it. My picture came out a little squished, I like to use the panoramic function on my phone camera for landing pictures, usually it works good but I had to keep resizing this one to get it to load. 
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on April 04, 2015, 08:23:22 PM
I'll see if this one is a bit less compressed-

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11286/20150401_191139.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: coxy on April 04, 2015, 08:37:03 PM
looks like a big pile of birch to   is it logs or pulp
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on April 04, 2015, 11:08:33 PM
Pulp on the end you can see in the pic, pallet bolts on the other end.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Straightgrain on April 05, 2015, 10:55:35 AM
Nice example of hard/smart working in these pics!

Almost everything looks the same as what I see out here in Oregon; the log length, the weather (or geography), and species of trees being the three exceptions.

Q: Are those logs in these pic mostly 8'6" long?

Most of us out here need a number of 21' bunk logs in the decks where quality cuts produce shorter logs. The timber companies usually produce 40' ers. 
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on April 05, 2015, 02:15:53 PM
95% of what we cut is 100", there were some 12',18', and 20' logs on this job. It typically pays more to just cut them 100" and send them for stud bolts, but the stud mill has a 19" max size. It seems like a shame to cut nice logs for stud bolts, to me, but that's the market we have.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: lumberjack48 on April 05, 2015, 03:37:03 PM
 The main reason to cut them into saw bolts is you get payed by the cord, makes it hard for the mill to steal. When its cut into logs you get payed by the BF, you lose about 30%, this all depends on which mill your taking it to.
I cut many thousands of cords that was planted by the CCC boys in the Chippewa National Forest. They did some pretty crocked farming in some places.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on April 05, 2015, 08:05:37 PM
I agree, LJ48- Potlatch pays by weight, so it's a simple number conversion. Some of the mills that buy logs, their prices aren't that good in the first place, then the scale is stingy, and it takes them a month to pay. So we hack them 100" and be done with it.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Clark on April 05, 2015, 10:21:48 PM
barbender - Are you responsible for the piles you can see from Hwy 46? If so, you did a mighty good job of piling them high!

Clark
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on April 05, 2015, 11:34:48 PM
Nope Clark, the block I was on was not visible from the highway. We had 5 forwarders on that job, I don't know which of our guys worked the block right off of the highway. You were up my way, I take it? ;)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Clark on April 06, 2015, 03:14:49 PM
Went to see the family for Easter, Hwy 46 is not optional for that drive!

It's good to see that pine getting used for something. I think that stuff has needed thinning for many moons.

Clark
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on April 06, 2015, 03:59:48 PM
Our loggers have a very good firewood market for the "crooked hardwood" sections also so they will be going up in smoke.  ;)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: BargeMonkey on April 07, 2015, 10:54:16 PM
 

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Moving to a new job.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: coxy on April 08, 2015, 06:55:50 AM
BM must be nice to not have any snow  ;D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: jwilly3879 on April 08, 2015, 07:21:45 AM
Wish my loader looked like that.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on April 08, 2015, 12:21:34 PM
The Timberjack 209D is parked by a hard maple sawlog tree marked for cutting while the cutter is working a hillside for the cable skidder's work. Dull/Kellogg timber harvest, 3/2015


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: BargeMonkey on April 08, 2015, 12:40:30 PM
Quote from: jwilly3879 on April 08, 2015, 07:21:45 AM
Wish my loader looked like that.
If you knew what i paid you would fall out of your chair and shake on the floor. She is a good machine, probably look into a 437C when i get another big skidder, my 440D has all she wants to yank that around.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: WDH on April 08, 2015, 08:09:37 PM
That maple looks like it was damaged in a previous harvest. 
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Maine logger88 on April 08, 2015, 08:22:11 PM
Looks good guys!
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on April 09, 2015, 07:04:53 PM
yes, much of the hardwoods that we are now cutting were damaged some in a previous tree length logging operation 12-15 + years ago.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on April 10, 2015, 06:50:43 PM
Dressing up a road we tore up in the muddy conditions- (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11286/20150410_123703.jpg)  (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11286/20150410_125216.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 1270d on April 10, 2015, 07:20:51 PM
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had some more snow this morning
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on April 10, 2015, 10:17:31 PM
I hate April snow  >:(
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: g_man on April 12, 2015, 07:01:07 AM
From yesterday.  Using a tractor to remove poorest quality trees from a previously high graded lot.



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A little video

https://youtu.be/UivrQ7PfEtw


Yesterday was probably my last day for a while. Trails were still frozen solid but 60 degrees today and the rest of the week.

gg
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on April 12, 2015, 07:32:11 AM
Yes,that stuff you posted pictures of look kinda rough.  :(   That one in the video looked good.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: lumberjack101 on April 12, 2015, 10:00:50 AM
Can anyone tell me how to upload a pic on here still new to this
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: lopet on April 12, 2015, 12:06:46 PM
thecfarm has prolly done it a couple of hundred times. Just wait for him.

Jeff also has posted some picture tutoring videos, but I can't find them anymore.

g_man  Out of the one in the picture you could easy make a " natural barber chair "  :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: sawguy21 on April 12, 2015, 12:17:05 PM
Go to the Home page and scroll down to Posting photos. It is not difficult, even I can do it. ;D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Straightgrain on April 12, 2015, 12:22:49 PM
Thanks G_man,

I'm learning a lot from your posts; safe and productive timber-harvest practices!

That one tree that formed an "S" looks like a place where a cougar might be found napping etc. ;D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ken on April 12, 2015, 02:30:40 PM
Got an opportunity for a nice spring breakup job less than 5 minutes from home.   Very nice wood although a very long yard to get it roadside.

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Here are a couple loads of spruce.   

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Oh and did I mention roadside.  I love piling on the side of the pavement this time of year.    That is firewood in the foreground and background with logs and random length pulpwood in the center.

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on April 12, 2015, 08:19:16 PM
Wow Ken! That really is "roadside"! ;) You must pile it from the side opposite the road, they don't let you right on the asphalt, do they?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Corley5 on April 12, 2015, 10:21:19 PM
Most if not all counties here won't let you deck on a county road right of way.  Cool pics  :) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on April 13, 2015, 06:35:01 AM
lumberjack101,welcome to the forum. This will get you started.  :)
https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php/topic,61788.0.html
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on April 22, 2015, 05:20:17 PM
Logs on the landing waiting to be hauled as soon as road restrictions are lifted. The weather still isn't cooperating with cold rain yesterday and snow today. April 2015.


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 1270d on April 22, 2015, 09:14:17 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xI7E1GakiSk
made a video processing behind the buncher today.  mix of maple and balsam pulp. 
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: lopet on April 22, 2015, 09:29:40 PM
Nice. You seem to know what the machine is capable to do and what not, like the way you're cutting up those crotches.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: beenthere on April 22, 2015, 09:47:55 PM
Thanks, I think I could watch that all day.  Appreciate hearing the sounds of the machine (and not music  ;D )
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: chevytaHOE5674 on April 22, 2015, 09:57:06 PM
I'm jealous of that unobstructed view and the speed of that H7 head.

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: JLeBouton on April 22, 2015, 11:28:22 PM
 https://youtu.be/cKYl4Y8b2Zg (https://youtu.be/cKYl4Y8b2Zg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on April 23, 2015, 06:22:08 PM
Good videos featuring different machines.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 1270d on April 29, 2015, 10:19:40 PM
Here is another clip from our current job.  This hill side is too steep to run the forwarders up, so the buncher "hands" the wood up closer to the top, from a flat area part way down the hill.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXAArwRqVps
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: coxy on April 30, 2015, 07:15:39 AM
doesn't look like much money is going to be made there  ;D  but gota  do what ya gota  do  8) thanks for the pics  like watching your kind of logging out there
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 1270d on April 30, 2015, 05:57:40 PM
It isn't productive, but was the best way to get that spot.  Took a half hour in a three week job.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: lopet on April 30, 2015, 09:51:58 PM
A half hour of lower than average production in three weeks. Is that what you guys are talking about.  :o
I wish i could say that from me.  ;D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Straightgrain on April 30, 2015, 10:02:51 PM
A new "thingamajig"

When skidding a large log with a pulley on the log, I needed/wanted something with a bell/hook so the end of the cable could attach to the slots on winch; the local logging supply store built this mini-New England Style choker.



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I can also rig a 2" clevis onto the end link and run it to stationary anchor point.

Works good!
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: g_man on May 01, 2015, 06:48:53 AM
Looks good straightgrain. It is those special little accessories that help make things go easy.

You probably realize it is better to connect the fixed end of the cable to a fixed object like a stump rather than to your tractor when using a pulley or snatch block on the log. If you connect to the tractor you double the force pulling your tractor back just like you double the force on the log. You have two cables pulling your tractor back. If you hitch to a stump the tractor gets 1/2 and the stump gets 1/2 of the pull on the log which is double the cable tension.

Just thought I would mention it in case you didn't already realize this. Sometimes you have no choice but the tractor.

gg
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on May 01, 2015, 07:00:14 AM
Straightgrain,can you get a picture of the "thingamajig"  ;D  in use?
Anything to make it easier.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Straightgrain on May 01, 2015, 09:59:52 AM
Good point g_man; I seen the dynamic effects on the tractor, and I will permanently put your suggestion into my toolbox of repertoire (had to look up that word ;D).

The pulley really helps when skidding big logs towards a deck and I approach a rise that the tractor can't pull both; I drop the log, motor to the top, drop the winch and skid it up...learning a lot from you guyz.

Will get some pics; have a couple trees to drop today.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 10, 2015, 08:33:38 PM
The Fabteck FT-153 Processor is now on the job. Dull/Kellogg timber harvest, 5/15.


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 15, 2015, 06:23:22 PM
Landing and Decking Area Scenes, Dull/Kellogg Timber Harvest, 5/15.


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Straightgrain on May 22, 2015, 09:53:01 PM
I needed my thingamajig today, this 28" x 21 foot log was so heavy, a block was needed to move it up the hill and onto the loading pad.



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Once the winch settled-in, the tractor stayed-put, and the log moved fairly easy.



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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: mad murdock on May 22, 2015, 09:57:47 PM
Some tight rings on that fir! Will make some real nice boards.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Straightgrain on May 22, 2015, 10:23:24 PM
Yesser, it was a heavy bugger; the 32" bar was "beaver-tailing" at the hinge.

Here is a look at the stump, while standing on the butt.



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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: JLeBouton on May 25, 2015, 05:00:37 PM
Quick vid of a Barko 240 running a Skidmore CF-18 in some mixed hardwood.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5wyY_G1jec&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: snowstorm on May 25, 2015, 06:24:48 PM
Quote from: FABTEK on May 25, 2015, 05:00:37 PM
https://youtu.be/i5wyY_G1jec
looks like it works real well. i was hoping to see one at the bangor show..there wasnt any
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: JLeBouton on May 25, 2015, 09:40:23 PM
First look at the new machine.



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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 26, 2015, 05:59:30 PM
New is Nice! ;)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: lumbertick on May 26, 2015, 07:56:14 PM
Fabtek what head does that machine have on it
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: JLeBouton on May 26, 2015, 08:37:14 PM
 
Quote from: lumbertick on May 26, 2015, 07:56:14 PM
Fabtek what head does that machine have on it



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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: so il logger on May 27, 2015, 01:56:21 AM
Name change??
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: BargeMonkey on May 27, 2015, 02:32:46 AM
 It looks pretty but the payment and woodpile it has to cut to keep afloat scare me.  :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: so il logger on May 27, 2015, 02:41:27 AM
Quote from: BargeMonkey on May 27, 2015, 02:32:46 AM
It looks pretty but the payment and woodpile it has to cut to keep afloat scare me.  :D

X3  :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ken on May 27, 2015, 04:25:07 AM
Quote from: lumbertick on May 26, 2015, 07:56:14 PM
Fabtek what head does that machine have on it

I would say it is a Waratah 622B.  John Deere completely redesigned their harvesting carriers and skidders and that is a pic of the new 803 JD.  The local dealer is having a Open House next week to showcase the new machines.  I may go for a burger but my buying days are over for a while.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: g_man on June 08, 2015, 06:47:12 AM
Spring grading the haul road/drive this weekend with my tractor, rear blade, and homemade grading scraper



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gg
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: lopet on June 08, 2015, 08:18:05 PM
Nice work and good job on the box grader. smiley_thumbsup
Did you use 1/4 " thick on the sides and rear ?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: g_man on June 08, 2015, 09:02:57 PM
Thanks.  3/8" mild steel plate. 2 1/2 X 2 1/2 X 1/4 sq tube.



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gg
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on June 08, 2015, 09:13:39 PM
Looks like some mighty fine road material you have there.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: jwilly3879 on June 08, 2015, 09:20:03 PM
Just saw this on Vermont CL. Looks neat. Gearmatic 9 doesn't work.



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Anyone know about them?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Maine logger88 on June 08, 2015, 09:54:29 PM
I have never seen one before even a pic before just now but my grandfather always talks about an international track skidder that my great uncle had back in the late 60s I'll ask him about it again and get some info. I know he hauled wood for him back then. Thanks for sharing the pic I've always been curious what they looked like!
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Woodhauler on June 09, 2015, 01:29:21 AM
Quote from: jwilly3879 on June 08, 2015, 09:20:03 PM
Just saw this on Vermont CL. Looks neat. Gearmatic 9 doesn't work.



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Anyone know about them?
I can tell you all  about them!! Ran on from when I was in 3rd grade up till high school! Di d this every school vacation! Dad bought it brand new, had a diesel motor. Pulled lots of wood, tracks was a bear once you lost one off. Had to use the winch to pull it back on.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: so il logger on June 09, 2015, 02:19:14 AM
What was the process to put the track back on using the winch? I am just wondering how in the world a guy could pull it off, I have done it on a dozer but that is a different animal
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Woodhauler on June 09, 2015, 05:38:06 AM
Quote from: so il logger on June 09, 2015, 02:19:14 AM
What was the process to put the track back on using the winch? I am just wondering how in the world a guy could pull it off, I have done it on a dozer but that is a different animal
I would lose one off a couple times a month, man handle it so its back under the front wheel and middle wheel and over the top as much as possible then hook winch into top and winch tight and back up slow. Man this brings back memorys! Would like to have on for old timesake!
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: g_man on June 09, 2015, 07:49:40 AM
Quote from: thecfarm on June 08, 2015, 09:13:39 PM
Looks like some mighty fine road material you have there.

The road is about 20 years old. Actually it is just the natural dirt and 3/4" crushed rock I put in the mud holes little by little the first 3 or 4 years. Now it packs hard and stays pretty good.

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: so il logger on June 09, 2015, 08:48:56 PM
Quote from: Woodhauler on June 09, 2015, 05:38:06 AM
Quote from: so il logger on June 09, 2015, 02:19:14 AM
What was the process to put the track back on using the winch? I am just wondering how in the world a guy could pull it off, I have done it on a dozer but that is a different animal
I would lose one off a couple times a month, man handle it so its back under the front wheel and middle wheel and over the top as much as possible then hook winch into top and winch tight and back up slow. Man this brings back memorys! Would like to have on for old timesake!
That makes sense, I bet it was a workout though  :)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 47sawdust on June 09, 2015, 09:00:06 PM
g man,
That grader/scraper is a nice piece of work.Good job.
Mick
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on June 10, 2015, 04:45:24 PM
Well done on the road work. The roads are usually an issue on most logging jobs.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on June 21, 2015, 06:31:37 PM
Timberjack 380C Grapple Skidder, Riehl timber harvest, 6/15


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on June 26, 2015, 07:12:54 PM
Getting the slash down to improve traction on the hillsides, improve area aesthetics, and to get the "fines" from the woody debris into the ground for soil improvement.


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on June 30, 2015, 09:37:16 AM
Nice little Red pine tract
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One forwarder load- (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11286/20150626_104447.jpg)
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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: gww on June 30, 2015, 10:53:41 AM
I just dropped a big black oak across a set of the thing you don't like.  I had been cutting on my pipe line and when I got to dads power line I didn't give it another thought.  I couldn't have made a better hit if I had really worked at hitting it.  Compleetly square across the lines with plenty of extra tree to make sure.  I cut a log from between the brances to try and recoup my losses.  The electric company sent two trucks and six guys to fix it.  I would have felt a bit better if the tree would have at least been walnut :D.
cheers
gww
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: sawguy21 on June 30, 2015, 11:35:17 AM
Did the power company bill you?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: gww on June 30, 2015, 02:04:20 PM
It only happenned a few days ago but I am sure they will. 
gww
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Firewoodjoe on July 01, 2015, 06:04:59 PM
Ouch. Sorry to hear that. I've heard that can be big money😟
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: gww on July 01, 2015, 06:40:58 PM
If They don't charge me, it was still stupid of me.  If they charge me based on how stupid, I may not be able to afford it.  Time will tell.  I come close one other time in my life with a giant yard walnut and scraped the wires hard even after cabling and wedging the tree.  It was deader then a door nail and headed that way, if I had did nothing it would have took out the wires eventually.  I did something and got lucky.  This one was a strait enough tree that it could of probly been put anywhere and it went where I picked.  I still can't believe I didn't even think of the lines.  There are many times I wonder how I stayed alive this long.  Oh well, another old saying, "I'ld rather be lucky then good".
gww
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: coxy on July 01, 2015, 10:36:32 PM
your suppose to pull the roots and all then call the power co and tell them that a tree fell over on the wires  :D :D  :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Corley5 on July 02, 2015, 08:08:07 AM
I had a tree get away from the harvester a couple winters ago and take down a line.  I had the machine in the road cutting trees throwing them back into the woods ;)  It's a dead end and it was the middle of winter.  The temp that day was 15 degrees.  The tree was a triple trunk sugar maple and I couldn't get a good grip on it.  I thought I had it but the bark slipped and it went over the side of the head and hit the power line behind me.  It didn't break the line but it sure stretched it and made it sag.  After being sure the tree wasn't touching the line I grabbed it and ran it into sticks and threw the brush over the bank.   It wasn't twenty minutes and the power company was there.  By that time we had the logs moved and were down the road a bit.  The lineman stretched the line back up and replaced the fuse in the transformer.  It did knock out power to 6 houses.  No words were spoken.  We just all went about our business  ;D 8) 8) 8)  I was sweating it for a bit  ;D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on July 02, 2015, 02:34:23 PM
Corley, been there, done that :D I wasn't going to lie if they came and asked if I was the responsible party, but I wasn't calling them, either ;D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: jwilly3879 on July 02, 2015, 09:20:42 PM
Years ago I had one the wind caught and it took down the lines. When I called it in they had already had 17 calls about it, it was Soap Opera time. Besides that the lines landed on the truck which had lunch and coffee in it with sparks jumping all around.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on July 05, 2015, 11:27:18 AM
Had one faller get a power line. It cost his employer $300.00 by the power company. When he did it a second time, he was relieved of his job.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: gww on July 05, 2015, 02:20:39 PM
I will be very surprized if I get by with only a three hundred dollar bill.  My cousen clears power line easments.  He droped one on a line and they fired him.  However they also rehird him and have just promoted him.  Just saying.
Cheers
gww
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ken on July 05, 2015, 02:49:01 PM
We took out the power to a community a few years back on one of the coldest days of the winter.   I immediately called the local power commission and they were appreciative that I contacted them as soon as it happened.   No charge.   Locals were unimpressed though. 
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on July 06, 2015, 12:55:38 PM
Woodhauler "Night Train" participates in 4th of July parade.


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 1270d on July 06, 2015, 01:31:30 PM
Nice looking truck
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on July 09, 2015, 07:15:46 PM
The Fabtek CTL harvester is working the flat ground near the landing/decking area as the job nears completion., 6/2015.


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: eichenberg93 on July 09, 2015, 09:11:51 PM
Morbark wolverine cutting red pine

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on July 10, 2015, 12:47:38 PM
Sawlogs being unloaded at one of the local Amish mills.


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on July 12, 2015, 07:40:50 PM
The active landing/decking area before closure of the timber harvest.


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The landing/decking area is cleaned up and graded upon closure of the timber harvest.


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Straightgrain on July 12, 2015, 09:47:16 PM
Nice looking soil Ron,

And a real professional looking job!
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: gww on July 12, 2015, 10:33:11 PM
Ron
How does the big wheeled equiptment handle traction and incliment weather compared to the tracked equiptment?
Thanks
gww
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on July 12, 2015, 10:56:17 PM
The rubber tired equipment handles the terrain well though chains are needed during the deep snow season and when working excessive hill terrain. Having good rubber on the tires helps a lot. ;) The tracked machines may be more versatile overall but with a little less speed and more ground impact.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: gww on July 12, 2015, 11:07:39 PM
Ron
Thank you for the responce.
gww
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: wfcjr on July 14, 2015, 08:30:06 PM
Quote from: Ron Scott on July 12, 2015, 10:56:17 PM
The rubber tired equipment handles the terrain well though chains are needed during the deep snow season and when working excessive hill terrain. Having good rubber on the tires helps a lot. ;) The tracked machines may be more versatile overall but with a little less speed and more ground impact.

Do you ever run chains on the wheeled (rubber tired) equipment year round?  I am finding that our tractor ag tires are getting beat up in the woods by rocks, ledge, etc.  Thinking about running chains year round.  Others have cautioned against this due to possibility of chains picking up & slinging exposed branches, slash, etc, that would otherwise be under snow in winter.  But I am thinking more & more that the chains will protect the rubber in woods & tough terrain.

Thoughts???
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ed_K on July 14, 2015, 08:36:37 PM
 I run chains on the landini yr round, I replaced the rear tires with nokia forestry tires last fall (@$3000.) and the farm tires still had good tread after 10 yrs. Chains are definatly cheaper.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Maine logger88 on July 14, 2015, 11:26:27 PM
I run chains all the way around all year on my skidders and wouldn't have it any other way
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Puffergas on July 15, 2015, 12:34:05 AM
Used chains year round with the farm tractor and doodlebug.. 😉
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: coxy on July 15, 2015, 08:31:07 PM
I run them year round to ice chains    thinking of putting bear paws on just for the summer  any thoughts on that
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: jwilly3879 on July 15, 2015, 09:17:08 PM
Ice chains on the back and rings on the front all year.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ken on July 21, 2015, 08:37:58 PM
Some days are better than others in this racket.  Noticed something wonky in the bogeys early this morning so took them off machine.  Hard days work.  Now to strip them down and find/fix the problem.

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Corley5 on July 21, 2015, 09:00:27 PM
Oh my :-\  That looks bad :-\
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on July 21, 2015, 10:25:41 PM
Quote from: Corley5 on July 21, 2015, 09:00:27 PM
Oh my :-\  That looks bad :-\
X2, what's up with it that you had to tear the whole diff out?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: lopet on July 21, 2015, 10:46:29 PM
They never brake in the shop. :o
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: snowstorm on July 22, 2015, 06:41:16 AM
they look like gear driven naf rears. my valmet has chain drive naf that says valmet on it. my rottne has gear drive naf that says rottne on it. what dose wonky sound like???crash bang ? or scrunich?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on July 22, 2015, 12:38:17 PM
Not a good working situation. Hope it turns out better than it looks.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ken on July 23, 2015, 07:12:50 PM
Quote from: barbender on July 21, 2015, 10:25:41 PM
X2, what's up with it that you had to tear the whole diff out?
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I seem to have gotten off very lucky.  When travelling back in the trail Tuesday am I noticed one side of the bogies jumping a bit.  I stopped, got the other operator and had him try it while I was on the back of machine.  When he tried it the bogies on the opposite side would not spin.   We then unhooked the driveshaft and assisted the machine to roadside with the harvester and tore it down. 
When we stripped it apart yesterday morning the all components looked great  8).  There was however a huge build up of pressure in the differential.  We believe that one of the brake cylinders was leaking by and the vent plug was not releasing all the pressure thereby causing the brakes to lock on.  It may have been overkill to tear it apart but now I know what the inside looks like and can have confidence that it should last a long time.  Far too often I have seen machinery run too long when something was not right and consequently ended up with larger issues.  Hopefully start putting it back in machine tomorrow.   
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on July 23, 2015, 09:53:51 PM
Those brake cans are notorious for leaking hydraulic fluid into the differential and overfilling it. We draw straws to see who has to pop the plug to check the oil level, because a lot of times there is pressure built up and you get a shower of gear lube/hydraulic oil >:( You seem like a head first kinda guy, Ken!
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on July 26, 2015, 08:01:44 PM
Thinning in some hills of northern hardwoods. Riehl timber harvest, June, 2015.


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 1270d on July 26, 2015, 10:24:35 PM
Looks like that area was just cut a couple years ago?   Or just skidding through a previous cut?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on July 27, 2015, 01:52:06 PM
Good observation! The lower valley area that we are primarily skidding through was high graded
10-12 years ago. We are now harvesting much of the hillside timber that was previously left.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on July 27, 2015, 05:51:31 PM
Hardwood sawlogs are being decked along a seasonal access road, The seasonal road is elevated above the lower landing/decking area where the trucker will park along the road side and load the logs. All wood should be hauled this week and the timber harvest contract will be closed. Riehl timber harvest, 7/2015.


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on August 23, 2015, 05:11:48 PM
Starting another hardwood job. The John Deere 1270E Processor is unloaded from the lowboy and walked back in on the timber access road to begin its work on the timber harvest. Harris/Ketchum timber harvest, 8/15.


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on August 26, 2015, 07:36:46 PM
The Valmet 646 Forwarder picks up the hardwood sawlogs, pulpwood, and firewood products behind the processor, August 2015.


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ken on August 26, 2015, 07:55:29 PM
Thanks for the pictures Ron.  That hardwood looks quite rugged for that wheeled harvester and dangle head.  Certainly not what they are designed for but with an experienced operator can be quite efficient. 
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: lumbertick on August 26, 2015, 09:35:49 PM
Who's 1170E is that
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on August 27, 2015, 05:17:36 PM
The 1270E processor is owned by Housler Sawmill, Inc., Mesick, Mi. and is doing an excellent job on this northern hardwoods harvest. Yes, it helps that the operator has been to school in Finland on its use and has over 20,000 hours in working such machines.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment, 8/2015
Post by: Ron Scott on August 28, 2015, 05:22:47 PM
Cut to Length harvest with the John Deere 1270E Processor, 8/2015


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on September 01, 2015, 11:39:17 AM
View of the inside of the cab of the John Deere 1270E Processor showing computer screen, map and specs. file of timber sale, etc. ,8/15


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Cutting Head. With the skilled operator, the machine was able to cut up to 20" hardwoods quite well. A hand cutter and forwarder followed up for cutting the larger diameter hardwoods.


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ken on September 01, 2015, 05:36:39 PM
Did you get to take it for a drive Ron?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on September 01, 2015, 08:07:44 PM
Very short one with tutoring. ;)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 1270d on September 01, 2015, 09:25:47 PM
The 270 is supposed to be a great hardwood head.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on September 02, 2015, 03:07:23 PM
Yes, I was very surprised as to how it handled the large hardwoods with ease. Very few trees were left for the followup hand-cutter. Much less than i thought there might be.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: chester_tree _farmah on September 02, 2015, 09:21:40 PM
Very cool.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on September 03, 2015, 02:51:42 PM
The Valmet 646 Forwarder works behind the John Deere Processor which has now finished its work and is being moved on to another job site. 8/15


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: lumbertick on September 03, 2015, 08:15:51 PM
How much production did he get a day in that stand?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on September 04, 2015, 12:10:17 PM
He did 260.35 MBF in17.5 operating days so he averaged 14.9 MBF/day with some minor down times and terrain issues of hills and wet areas.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 1270d on September 04, 2015, 09:27:33 PM
here is a short clip processing a couple of hard maple the other morning.  Sometimes its easier to zip em with the saw.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saAXbFqdNLk
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on September 04, 2015, 09:45:26 PM
Looks good, 1270d ;) Most anyone can keep a head zipping in clean softwood, but an operator that can keep things moving in limby hardwood knows what he's doing ;) That head tilt function looks handy.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: chevytaHOE5674 on September 04, 2015, 11:27:00 PM
Just before the ring and pinion went in our harvester I was processing a bit of bigger black spruce and cedar and it was a real treat to cut compared to the rough hardwood I've been cutting since early last winter.

I really like that H7 head. Boss keeps talking about trading the current Ergo in on a later model with the C5 crane and H7 head. After watching your videos I really wish he would.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: snowstorm on September 05, 2015, 08:08:45 AM
Quote from: 1270d on September 04, 2015, 09:27:33 PM
here is a short clip processing a couple of hard maple the other morning.  Sometimes its easier to zip em with the saw.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saAXbFqdNLk
you can tilt the head part way and use the saw? mine the has to be all the way up or down
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 1270d on September 05, 2015, 10:02:28 AM
Yes. Ponsse calls it proportional tilt.  Works like a charm.   One button for tilt up, one for tilt down.  Hold a button till your desired angle then release and it stays there.   Tap a button to go back to floating tilt.   
  The 480 head could do this, but not as easily.   There was a function button to enter proportional mode, then set tilt angle.
The first harvester I ran was a Logman 801, with an AFM 60L.   It had the same tilt function as the Ponsse.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Jhenderson on September 05, 2015, 06:38:16 PM
That's quite a machine, but at this point in my life I can't even imagine having to run in the dark just to make payments. I've grown too used to watching the sun come up with my wife at the breakfast table.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ken on September 05, 2015, 08:33:41 PM
Quote from: 1270d on September 05, 2015, 10:02:28 AM
Yes. Ponsse calls it proportional tilt.  Works like a charm.   One button for tilt up, one for tilt down.  Hold a button till your desired angle then release and it stays there.   Tap a button to go back to floating tilt.   
  The 480 head could do this, but not as easily.   There was a function button to enter proportional mode, then set tilt angle.

My 480 head has a button to set the tilt angle for cutting leaning trees, etc but when I hit the saw button it automatically dumps.  I must ask the dealer technician  if there is a setting that will allow it to stay up which would work great for cutting some hardwood limbs.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: chevytaHOE5674 on September 05, 2015, 08:47:29 PM
Quote from: Jhenderson on September 05, 2015, 06:38:16 PM
That's quite a machine, but at this point in my life I can't even imagine having to run in the dark just to make payments. I've grown too used to watching the sun come up with my wife at the breakfast table.

Running in the dark UP here this time of year might just mean you started cutting at 7am... haha. Couple more weeks and its lights on until 8am or later.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 1270d on September 05, 2015, 08:53:03 PM
ken, if i remember correctly, holding your head open function the entire time you tilt will keep it in position without dumping.   I was real used to propping the 480 saw box against things and then pushing the head into position for cutting limbs.   easier than JD's tilt rigamarole.


We get cutting around six, tahoe is right, sometimes lights on still at close to nine (in the winter)  Right now i like the lights till around 730.  We don't work crazy hours.  Ten hour days is average.   I have met some who have slept in the machines or the truck.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: snowstorm on September 06, 2015, 08:38:56 AM
the sun comes up late out your way but when dose the sun go down? here in november it will be dark by a little after 4pm
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 1270d on September 06, 2015, 08:45:04 AM
Maybe 5 or 530 on around the shortest days
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Clark on September 06, 2015, 05:32:05 PM
You have to remember that he UP is at the far western end of the eastern time zone. Things get funny with that. Maine is on the other end of it so comparing time of day for events is somewhat silly. The UP probably has a little more daylight during the winter than Maine but for practical purposes we all receive the same # of hours during the winter.

Clark
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on September 07, 2015, 06:22:40 PM
Forwarding CTL northern hardwoods to the landing, 8/15.


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: chet on September 07, 2015, 08:54:25 PM
Quote from: Clark on September 06, 2015, 05:32:05 PM
You have to remember that he UP is at the far western end of the eastern time zone.
Clark

Not really    ;D    Some of us western counties are on the far eastern side of the central time zone.   ;)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: chevytaHOE5674 on September 07, 2015, 10:00:39 PM
Just like Ken's pictures from a few pages back except we were able to get the machine steam cleaned and into shop to work on it.
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And a few teeth missing off the ring gear will cause you all sorts of issues.
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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 1270d on September 07, 2015, 10:07:40 PM
Any luck finding parts?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: chevytaHOE5674 on September 07, 2015, 10:23:18 PM
Yeah after a few trips to Rhinelander I was able to drag home 3 differentials as they call them (which is the axle housing from brake to brake and weighs overs 1k lbs). The best one that was supposed to work ended up having a different gear ratio, one ended up not having a ring gear in it at all, luckily the third unit was usable so my brakes and boggies are getting bolted to it and hopefully into the machine in the next day or two. Hopefully be cutting wood by Thursday. 

A gear set is still at least another week away from Finland... Hopefully we won't end up needing it.

No more pulling loaded log trucks around for this harvester. haha
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on September 07, 2015, 10:31:30 PM
We always use the forwarders for pushing/pulling trucks, if for no other reason than the boss wants the processors out cutting wood. I like to keep about half a load of wood on the forwarder when I'm pushing, it gives a lot more traction.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: chevytaHOE5674 on September 07, 2015, 10:43:04 PM
No way our old worn out Caribou is going to pull a 160,000 lbs truck around. It has all it can do to move itself. ha
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: g_man on September 08, 2015, 11:02:54 AM
Using a Dresser TD7G dozer to convert an old skid trail made by a cable skidder during a heavy harvest 20 years ago into a tractor road for lighter footprint TSI harvest activities.



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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on September 08, 2015, 01:15:14 PM
Good use in planning for use of the area's infrastructure developed from previous harvest operations and improving upon it for the access needs in the area's ongoing forest management.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on September 08, 2015, 10:18:03 PM
 :(
Quote from: chevytaHOE5674 on September 07, 2015, 10:43:04 PM
No way our old worn out Caribou is going to pull a 160,000 lbs truck around. It has all it can do to move itself. ha

     I forgot you have the big trucks to push :o The heaviest ours can run (legally ::)) is #102,500, in the winter, on a 6 axle rig. I've had to push trucks up some fair sized sand hills with the ol' Buffalo king, and it's not uncommon for me to drop the blade and roll out a big stump that I get sick of bouncing over, either. The standard Buffalos have nearly as much power. We've never had any Caribou machines, there was an Elk in the fleet when I started, it had a reputation for being gutless. There were a few Wisent models around before I came to work here too, but they all got sent down the road as well. From what I gather about the Elk, it was kind of a toss up what was weaker- the engine, or the hydrostatic transmission. It really struggled on hills, to the point that guys would have to haul half loads. The local Ponsse guys even got authorization from the factory in Finland to bump the pressures up on the tranny, to help the poor thing out a bit. I did have to replace a valve on the Buffalo king when I got it because it didn't want to climb hills or push stumps. The Ponsse tech came out, we replaced some parts and reset some pressures, now I can have all the wood I can fit on and climb any hill I've came across (or spin out)  I will say, the Buffalo king isn't a lot of fun in first entry pine thins though.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on September 08, 2015, 10:21:48 PM
Do you guys (Corley and 1270) have blades on your Caribous? I just ask because I only pull trucks if absolutely necessary, 99% of the time I push them with the blade.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on September 08, 2015, 10:23:14 PM
g man, that TD 7 looks like a nice machine ;)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 1270d on September 09, 2015, 04:56:11 AM
We don't have it anymore, but the caribou had a blade.   A small one.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: chevytaHOE5674 on September 09, 2015, 07:22:02 AM
Our Caribou has a small blade on it, good for pushing around loose dirt, no way your pushing much of a stump out. haha
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Corley5 on September 09, 2015, 07:30:00 AM
I don't have a Caribou  ;) ;D 8)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on September 09, 2015, 01:32:23 PM
Sorry Corley ;)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: lumbertick on September 09, 2015, 03:55:29 PM
We use our blades on our fabtek skidders everyday. Been doing CTL for 7 years now never had a dozer on the job yet.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on September 11, 2015, 05:00:12 PM
Forwarding to the landing with the Valmet 646 and making the sort of the hardwood wood products, 8/15.


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: BargeMonkey on September 11, 2015, 05:34:00 PM
That looks like a very clean and neat job, forwarders are the way to go if you can run them.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on September 13, 2015, 09:43:50 PM
Sorting the cut hardwoods into their various product piles for hauling makes for good marketing of the different forest products, 8/15.


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Maine logger88 on September 14, 2015, 09:38:27 PM
Some pine logs on a job I just started

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on September 16, 2015, 04:37:56 PM
Processing Northern Hardwoods with the 1270E john Deere, 8/15.


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: chester_tree _farmah on September 16, 2015, 06:29:57 PM
Quote from: Maine logger88 on September 14, 2015, 09:38:27 PM
Some pine logs on a job I just started

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Hmmm at first I thought that was a Clark lurking in the shadows. :) What r u getting for pine logs down there logger88? Thinking about cutting some. B mostly 2 and 3s and pallet.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Maine logger88 on September 16, 2015, 07:34:58 PM
No it's my 540 I have used a Clark a few different lots tho! I've been averaging 315 ish after trucking Which isn't to bad
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ken on September 20, 2015, 08:03:50 AM
I've got a nice block to work on over the next few weeks.  There is however nearly a km of road to build in order to access it.  Time to beef up the excavator bucket so called in someone better on a welder than me.  It's getting pretty thin so adding some wear bars and hard surfacing other areas.  Notice the fully stocked service trailer I picked up a few weeks back.  Great addition to my operation

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: timberlinetree on September 20, 2015, 08:12:48 AM
That shop trailer will be real handy to have.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: BargeMonkey on September 20, 2015, 08:54:33 AM
 Having a portable shop trailer would be so handy, I just worry about getting ripped off or it burning.  :o  lately if things aren't glued down around here you would show up in the morning to an empty trailer. Is any of your road work subsidized or does the cost fall on you for 100% of it ?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on September 21, 2015, 06:01:44 PM
Roadside Timber Harvest, 9/15.
This is a small property area along a gravel county road where the hardwood timber was selectively cut and skidded to the roadside where the truck loaded it up for transport to the mill. One truck load was about the total amount of the harvest.


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: teakwood on September 22, 2015, 08:45:40 AM
Ron: whats 9/15 or 8/15 means?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: beenthere on September 22, 2015, 11:20:33 AM
Probably month and day... Sept. 15 for example.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: chester_tree _farmah on September 22, 2015, 11:24:21 AM
Quote from: Ron Scott on September 21, 2015, 06:01:44 PM
Roadside Timber Harvest, 9/15.
This is a small property area along a gravel county road where the hardwood timber was selectively cut and skidded to the roadside where the truck loaded it up for transport to the mill. One truck load was about the total amount of the harvest.


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Wow Ron - how did that work out? I mean it wouldn't seem one load would be worth moving equipment for? Was it mostly veneer?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Puffergas on September 22, 2015, 12:01:27 PM

That's the size job we looked for. 👍
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: chester_tree _farmah on September 22, 2015, 03:53:10 PM
ohhh I forgot it was in Michigan. One truck with 32 wheels.  ;D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: timberlinetree on September 23, 2015, 05:43:35 AM
Late summer in southern new england 9/15 processing ash fire wood and sorting out logs.

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87 132 franklin forwarder
81 timberjack 230 super E
91 f superduty
Brute splitter/convory
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: WH_Conley on September 23, 2015, 07:40:05 AM
I have the twin to that F-Super Duty. Same year, color and all. Slow as the dickens but will pull anything.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: BargeMonkey on September 23, 2015, 09:25:00 AM
 That forwarder saves alot of work and your back in the FW piles, she looks good, and that 4.5 is the engine to have.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on September 25, 2015, 05:23:49 PM
Teakwood,
   
          Yes, 9/15 or 8/15 are just the month and year of the activity. I like to keep track of the activities by month and year so that I post current items, and yes a small road side timber harvest needs to have some veneer and very good quality timber to make it worthwhile for anyone to make a commercial harvest of it.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: teakwood on September 26, 2015, 09:53:13 AM
Thanks. I feel like a dumba.., i could a have figured that out by myself.


Nice pics
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on September 28, 2015, 12:05:25 AM
Laying down the Wood, 8/15.


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on October 04, 2015, 11:16:16 PM
Under direction of the logging boss, a good forwarder operator will earn his wages by sorting out the different hardwood forest products of veneer, grade logs, pulpwood, and firewood to await pickup and delivery by the trucker to the different marketing designations to maximize profits.


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SFires on October 09, 2015, 07:55:02 PM
 

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Not sure if it really counts but here's my daily driver. Company I work for clears power line right aways. There's a mower that'll follow behind me chipping up everything that I trim down
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 1270d on October 09, 2015, 08:15:28 PM
 

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Nice morning over the river.



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We just finished a thinning on top of this hill.   A bit thick, but there are some nice views through the trees.    This overlooks an area that our company has been cutting in for 30+ years.  (Lots longer than I've been cutting)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: lopet on October 09, 2015, 08:48:15 PM
Quote from: SFires on October 09, 2015, 07:55:02 PM


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Not sure if it really counts but here's my daily driver. Company I work for clears power line right aways. There's a mower that'll follow behind me chipping up everything that I trim down

Sure that will count.
Jaeraff ?  Deutz diesel ? Hydrostatic drive ?

Just curious, if I am not mistaken it's powered only with a 80 Hp motor.  I take it with all that weight it's not moving fast or probably doesn't have to.
What really interests me is the drive system. Is there a hydraulic motor on each differential , or is there just one on the transfer case ?
Btw , mowers count too. :)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: ScottAR on October 10, 2015, 12:59:58 AM
Kershaw SkyTrim. 
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on October 10, 2015, 09:40:21 AM
1270d, any trout in that river? Nice pics.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on October 10, 2015, 09:49:00 AM
  Most of the ground we harvest in north central MN is relatively flat or rolling, but occasionally we get into some decent hills.


(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11286/20150814_113325.jpg)

     It's always a challenge to get the pesrpective of hills in a picture, but this one got steeper the farther I went up, until I finally lost traction. I didn't have any tracks or chains on the machine at the time, which reduces traction some. Actually, I think chains all the way around, versus tracks, would give the most traction for hills.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 1270d on October 10, 2015, 05:52:04 PM
Quote from: barbender on October 10, 2015, 09:40:21 AM
1270d, any trout in that river? Nice pics.

I think probably too close to the head waters of this particular river for trout.   Might be but more than likely just chubs.   

Also agree that chains provide better traction for hill climbing than tracks.   CTL stuff doesn't climb that well, but you sure can go down a hill that most other machines won't.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on October 10, 2015, 08:30:09 PM
I just saw a CL ad in WI for a Valmet rubber tire harvester that looked like it was converted to 4 D4 dozer undercarriages- I think that thing could go cut places that you could never get to to pick up. Unless of course, you had a forwarder set up the same ;D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on October 10, 2015, 08:41:23 PM
     A friend of mine just moved out to Oregon to set up a new Ponsse shop in Colberg. He said they are setting up some of the machines with an aftermarket drive integated winch system for really steep slopes.  These machines are cutting slopes that previously were only accessible with cable logging systems. He told me he was riding on the bench seat in a harvester the other day, trying to troubleshoot something, while working a slope somewhere in the area of 35° (I don't remember what that would be in % of slope, 45° is 50% I think). Anyhow, he said it was no fun at all :)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: beenthere on October 10, 2015, 09:07:26 PM
45° is 100% slope

27° is near 50%

90° is infinite %   ;D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 1270d on October 10, 2015, 09:53:03 PM
that syncro winch system, or whatever its called is supposed to be 100+G's.  the nicest softwood in the world out there sounds like, so i guess it must pay.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on October 11, 2015, 08:47:17 PM
Firewood is decked in the pile on the right and noted with pink flagging ribbon to earmark it so that it is not removed by the trucker. This firewood deck will be about 20 full cords which is to be left as compensation to the private landowner who let us cross 1/2 mile of his property to get to the timber harvest area on other adjoining private lands to the south of his property. He also let us stage the landing/decking area on his property for pickup by the trucker. His only request was that we provide him with about 15-20 cords of firewood and be done prior to September 7th, Labor Day so as not to interfere with his upcoming hunting seasons on the property. We finished in plenty of time and all parties were satisfied with a a job well done, 9/20/15.


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SFires on October 12, 2015, 05:43:20 PM
 

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Did somebody say slope?? 
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SFires on October 12, 2015, 06:07:11 PM
its a Kershaw skytrim I believe it 105 hp   with a hydrostatic drive    and noits not the fastest machine in the forest barely 13 mph in high gear but she'll slooooowwwwwlllllyyyyy crawl about anywhere I wanna go.  tomorrow ill try to take a couple pics of some mowers.  got a pic of a special mower id like to show but it wont load       
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 1270d on October 12, 2015, 06:38:56 PM
Interesting machine, how high can it reach?  How big can you trim with it?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SFires on October 12, 2015, 07:38:08 PM
its got a 60' boom that sits roughly 10' off the ground so all total 70' tomorrow ill get some pics of the boom stretched out. ill also try to get some with the cab layed over that's pretty neat to see too.  its got a 24" blade but minus the gear box it only gives me a 10" cut  ill try to get a couple pics of it too.  tomorrow ill be back in my machine and not this new fangeled contraption that ive had to drive the past couple days 
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: lopet on October 12, 2015, 08:48:35 PM
As you're right at it, can you take a picture or two of the hydraulic drive ?   It almost looks like  the whole unit is sitting on  a stretched skidder frame with a transfercase.
Just wondering if the hydro motor is mounted right to the tc.  :)  Just curious.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SFires on October 12, 2015, 08:58:52 PM
no problem  ill just go pic crazy if that's ok with you guys
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: teakwood on October 13, 2015, 07:54:34 AM
thats what we like here, lots of pics of forestry equipment! there is no such thing as too much pictures!  :D :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SFires on October 13, 2015, 07:22:43 PM
 

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OK first let me apologize I didn't get to take as many pics as I wanted. I had to babysit a new mower hand we hired and he thought it'd be a good ideal to mow up an oil pipe and then drop a power line on me. Great day. Lol
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: coxy on October 13, 2015, 07:44:50 PM
can you run/cut with the cab at a tilt
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SFires on October 13, 2015, 08:16:40 PM
Yes sir I sure can. She'll run any way I set her. That how I can make some of the more awkward cuts I have to make sometimes. She'll even run down the highway that way as long as there's clearance for the boom. Hopefully tomorrow I'll be back with MY crew and not having to babysit this other crew.   I miss MY machines :(
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: beenthere on October 13, 2015, 09:16:41 PM
SFires
Really enjoy the pics of your machine.

Some words along with your pics will go a long way to making them even more interesting. ;)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Dave Shepard on October 23, 2015, 06:43:43 PM
Myrtle pulling some fifty footers.



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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: wannaergo on October 23, 2015, 08:37:11 PM
Demo'd Barko's new 260W harvester with a Southstar QS500 head. Here's a short video of Barko's demo operator cutting a 20+ inch hard maple.

https://youtu.be/Mq5R4dI4HLs
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: North River Energy on October 23, 2015, 08:48:34 PM



Learned something nifty today. :laugh:

Quote from: mooseherderIf you take out the s from the https the video should show in your post instead of a link.
with the s:  (https://youtu.be/Mq5R4dI4HLs)

without the s:
http://youtu.be/Mq5R4dI4HLs

Quote from: mooseherderI learned that tip from Furby.  ;)

Thanks both.  I've been trying to figure that one out for quite a while.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: RCBS on October 24, 2015, 10:29:04 AM
Behold...30hp of fury!  She's got more guts than she has ballast.  The bigger logs are at the limit with some brake steering needed to turn sometimes due to front end loft.  1/4 mile + skids to my firewood yard (thankfully, mostly downhill)
https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/34187/IMAG0270.jpg
https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/34187/IMG_20140927_124419700.jpg
https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/34187/IMG_20151004_153031340.
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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 1270d on October 24, 2015, 03:18:28 PM
Made a quick video this morning processing some hard maple.  Sorting pulp, bolts and saw logs. http://youtu.be/TYc9Axm32jg

Removing the "s" works like a charm, thanks for the tip.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Dave Shepard on October 27, 2015, 04:35:30 PM
Seven fifties, two forties.



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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 1270d on October 27, 2015, 06:57:12 PM
Wow, nice load!   Is it white pine?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: brendonv on October 27, 2015, 07:01:58 PM
Nice wood!
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Straightgrain on October 27, 2015, 07:06:48 PM
So, I needed some type of brush attachment and I don't have the money for a grapple, a third function valve, or even a good set of debris forks...so I bought a 2nd set of used fork lift blades.

The "on/off" opening at the bottom-front of the Titan carriage was too wide for the blades to keep in the inner-most or center location, so I welded some 1/4" flat stock on both sides of the opening to provide keeper support for both blades.  I also welded a snatched hook on the inside-center of the carriage since I had the welder out....and the Titan warranty recently expired ;D



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The only draw-backs I can see are the width of the blades and the loss of @ 115 pounds of the available 970 LB factory lifting capacity.

Will  try them out on slash piles this week end
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Dave Shepard on October 27, 2015, 07:17:09 PM
Quote from: 1270d on October 27, 2015, 06:57:12 PM
Wow, nice load!   Is it white pine?
Yes.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Dave Shepard on October 27, 2015, 07:18:13 PM
Quote from: brendonv on October 27, 2015, 07:01:58 PM
Nice wood!

Yeah, it's pretty good stuff.  Hard to find.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on October 27, 2015, 07:23:13 PM
Straightgrain,I betcha that will work pretty good. Too bad you could not get one "finger" hooked up to hyds. That would keep the brush in place on rough land.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: g_man on October 28, 2015, 08:10:57 AM
Quote from: Straightgrain on October 27, 2015, 07:06:48 PM



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The only draw-backs I can see are the width of the blades and the loss of @ 115 pounds of the available 970 LB factory lifting capacity.

Will  try them out on slash piles this week end

Nice work. That will be way better than doing it by hand. You will never see the lose of lift capacity with brush I don't think. But then again it is western brush so it is probably big  ;D

Sometimes I move brush/slash with my winch. I lay out a long chain/choker and pile the slash on it. A huge pile. Bring the choker up over the top and winch it up to the tractor. Drag it off to the burn or debris area where I can push it around with the bucket. Still a lot of hand work and you loose some on the drag.

gg
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Straightgrain on October 28, 2015, 08:33:39 AM
Quote from: thecfarm on October 27, 2015, 07:23:13 PM
Straightgrain,I betcha that will work pretty good. Too bad you could not get one "finger" hooked up to hyds. That would keep the brush in place on rough land.

Thanks for  the evals; scooting large heap of slash to the treatment areas is the best I can do, without that 3rd function. 

If "things...." settle-down in  2017, I'll go off the deep-end and get a 3rd function valve and a grapple.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on October 28, 2015, 12:51:09 PM
Dave,

Are those fifty and forty foot white pine going into poles or cabin logs?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Dave Shepard on October 28, 2015, 01:36:18 PM
Ron, they are being cut into 10" x10" and 12" x12". They are for a barn we are building at work. We got three cut this morning before it started to pour. About an hour each with two of us working.




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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on October 28, 2015, 05:54:15 PM
It's good that you had a project already planned for their use. Continue the pictures of their use in the barn construction.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on October 28, 2015, 08:00:02 PM
That mill seems to be getting longer every time I see it.  :)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Dave Shepard on October 28, 2015, 08:33:28 PM
It's probably done growing. For now. :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Straightgrain on October 29, 2015, 09:39:50 PM
Quote from: Dave Shepard on October 28, 2015, 01:36:18 PM
Ron, they are being cut into 10" x10" and 12" x12". They are for a barn we are building at work. We got three cut this morning before it started to pour. About an hour each with two of us working.




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Nice looking beam.....beautiful actually.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SFires on November 25, 2015, 07:22:30 PM
 

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Brush mower  chipping up some brush
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Mountaynman on January 01, 2016, 08:38:29 PM
lets move this one back up
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on January 01, 2016, 10:25:22 PM
Thanks for the interest!
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on January 02, 2016, 06:20:02 AM
Another thread got started and I see postings in that one about what are you currectly cutting. This thread is a great one,because it's all in one long thread. A nice way to see how others get the wood out in other states. Love those MI trucks!!!!
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Puffergas on January 02, 2016, 01:15:34 PM
Nice to see this back for 2016, I always enjoyed this thread or what ever the technical name is.. 😊
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: jwilly3879 on January 02, 2016, 04:07:39 PM
This is a short video of our stuff. I'm in the loader and it's throttled down some.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HL0FCQ7QcGQ
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: coxy on January 02, 2016, 05:25:11 PM
wish my landing was frozen like that  ;D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: jwilly3879 on January 02, 2016, 05:54:32 PM
That's 2 years ago. We haven't worked in 3 weeks, JR messed up his back working as a carpenter while the 540 he runs was broken down. He has been out of work for almost 2 weeks.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: coxy on January 02, 2016, 07:23:14 PM
 that stinks  hope he starts felling better  I know all about back trouble they want to do another surgery on me and I wont do it till I cant move anymore
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: concretecutter on January 02, 2016, 09:19:45 PM
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79 international s8a
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: g_man on January 03, 2016, 07:25:51 AM
Using a small tractor and winch to remove the fir from around some larger white pine.



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gg
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: lopet on January 03, 2016, 08:57:19 AM
So   the large pine stays, or you're just making room to drop her ?
What is it going to be used for ?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: g_man on January 03, 2016, 09:54:34 AM
The good pine stays. The worst junk I cut which I am lucky to get a log out of. The rest goes to the neighbor OWB or lays and rots.



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The fir goes to a saw mill 7 miles away for spruce/fir lumber. Here is an old picture of a typical load.



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Most has stump rot which is another reason I am cutting it.



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gg
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Dave Shepard on January 03, 2016, 10:05:39 AM
I like large pine.  ;D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Gary_C on January 03, 2016, 12:32:09 PM
Here are two pictures from the Ponsse 2016 calendar. Both pictures are from Europe and I think the first is from Italy. Not a place for timid drivers.



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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: lopet on January 03, 2016, 12:47:40 PM
a cliff hanger  electricuted-smiley electricuted-smiley
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on January 03, 2016, 01:38:50 PM
Not for the timid for sure and some experience required, ;) 
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 1270d on January 03, 2016, 02:23:30 PM
 

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 1270d on January 03, 2016, 02:28:21 PM
 

 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/23720/IMG_20150429_102006471.jpg) from the cab in the same location.   The buncher almost took a little ride over the edge in a different spot, quite a bit lower down.  Something about steel tracks and rock not providing much traction...
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ed_K on January 03, 2016, 02:59:32 PM
 Yowzer!  :o .
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on January 03, 2016, 06:34:31 PM
Putting a lot of faith into a piece of machinery.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on January 04, 2016, 06:45:19 PM
And the operators have a few hours under their belt. ;)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: BargeMonkey on January 16, 2016, 10:23:03 PM
Figured I would post a couple pictures to this thread to keep it alive. 

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Got her fired up today, never used a stroke delimber before but I've got a fair amount of hemlock to cut. Im a sucker for the older iron that still keeps working and was paid for when it got off the trailer.  :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: timberlinetree on January 17, 2016, 06:53:04 AM
 That delimber would look really nice with a new coat of paint. Neat and handy machine! Work safe!
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: snowstorm on January 17, 2016, 07:55:14 AM
will it limb hemlock??
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: jwilly3879 on January 17, 2016, 02:27:51 PM
New job and waiting for the loader to get towed over, makes it so much easier than this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=up1S38r3NwU&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 1270d on February 01, 2016, 09:19:36 PM
 

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Put some new delimbing knives on the harvester Saturday afternoon.   The new ones are longer with a different curve, should be better for picking from the ground.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: coxy on February 02, 2016, 07:12:03 AM
how expensive are they    are they easy to install
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: chevytaHOE5674 on February 02, 2016, 08:19:25 PM
Not sure on the price but they are relatively easy to install. One short pin for each knife and then the cylinder.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: eichenberg93 on February 28, 2016, 08:32:54 AM
Couple pictures from last week. Finally got the slasher fixed up and on a job.                                           

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: lynde37avery on February 28, 2016, 10:20:22 AM
My 208. 

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: AfraidChocker on February 28, 2016, 12:58:42 PM
You guys are going to laugh, but right now I use a simple Kubota, but hope to upgrade soon to a small bulldozer.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/42329/Kubota_and_Pine.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on February 28, 2016, 01:57:08 PM
I must have pictures of mine 40hp in this thread somewheres. My Father and me hauled out ALOT of white pine well over 3 feet across with that poor tractor. No pictures of that operation. I was always going to take pictures,but never did.  ::) That was before I hit the digital age too.
You will be surprised how many log like that on here.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: AfraidChocker on February 28, 2016, 04:33:48 PM
Well you would be surprised how many #3 white pine logs go through our Thomas Bandsaw mill. We tell the truck driver, if they scale at #3's; haul them back and we'll make boards out of them ourselves!!

We have used everything here, from horses to feller-bunchers, but over all have just used tractor the most. On a short twitch and good ground I can get out 12 cord in two days and burn 7 gallons of diesel doing so. That is not bad. However, there are locations on my land that have yet to see a chainsaw only because I can't get back that far/in the wet areas with my little tractor too. I hope to change that with a dozer.

Here is one such area. Do you think it needs a wee bit of thinning?  :D

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on February 28, 2016, 06:19:36 PM
Yes,I have some areas that still look like that. I have had my land logged 3 times so far. Hard to keep up with the trees with one chainsaw and one tractor. As you well know.
I have a OWB and I burn ALOT of dead wood in that. But still there is no way to keep up with what is dieing and what needs to be cut.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: AfraidChocker on February 28, 2016, 06:37:08 PM
For me it is going around the edges of the fields. It seems like by the time I get aound them all, it is time to go back. When I took over the farm in 2008, some of the fields had 50 feet of space from the rock wall to the first row of corn. One field I have is exactly 1 mile in circumference around it. Do the math on that and you come up with 7 acres I was losing! That is a lot.

The USDA gave me grief, says it is wildlife habitat, but Mylanta, I think they got plenty of places to perch besides 7 acres of prime farmland. My Forefathers worked hard with axe, oxen and matches to make this a field, the least I can do is try and keep it cut back to the rock walls they built!

One thing I do too is go around and bat down the upper branches with an excavator. All it takes is one long limb jutting out into the fields and the boys, as they roll along with tractors now encased in glass, to swerve out around it, and soon you have sapling encroachment again!
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on February 28, 2016, 07:04:40 PM
I have fields too,but not that big. It's a never ending job. I need to trim around them this year. I only did enough last year to get the mower through the limbs. Than its the boundary lines that need to be kept clean. I won't even mention the rocks I dig out of the field. Than I am claiming back an old pasture. Rough and rocks are the keywords with that project. I am trying to cut some trees so I can see into the field as I come up the road. I bought back 7 acres of the farm and cut off the corner of that grown up field so I could see the corner of the field and keep track of the deer down there. But I enjoy it all. Wish I could just retire early and work here every day.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: AfraidChocker on February 29, 2016, 07:12:17 AM
Oh I know the feeling!

I work 80 miles away at BIW and absolutely HATE it. We have 1600 people applying for 9 jobs and I want OUT. Sure wish I could make it farming and logging, but it is so hard to give up that weekly paycheck which is really a security blanket.

I have cleared back some land myself; 12 acres so far with another 20 planned. It is a little easier for me probably because I can justify it with sheep. It is more work because they require a little work every day, rather than a lot of work on a single day like logging, but when ten of them grow to full size in 5 months instead of taking 35 years or more to grow to marketable size, the cost per acre is a lot better.

I'll never cut all my wood off for Agriculture, just some places that make better sense too. Here the Amish are really driving up the value of tillable land. In 1992 we planted fields into trees because no one wanted to farm them and paper mills were going gang busters. Now it has swung the opposite way. No paper mills left and everyone wants fields. That is a long way of saying, you can't rent fields anymore so a lot of farmers like me are clearing land.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ken on March 14, 2016, 08:23:16 PM
I don't think I have the appropriate equipment for the end of this job.  Should have bought a buncher and chipper.  Can't really complain though as the remainder of the winters job was pretty good.   Finished cutting this morning and the forwarder finished this afternoon.  Time to idle for a few weeks.

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: BargeMonkey on March 16, 2016, 10:38:57 PM
Add a couple pictures from the last week. 

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Starting to get a pile.


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Lots of ugly hw. Maybe 5% makes a log, it was high-grade 25yrs ago and it shows. 

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There's that fuel carrier I had talked about, it's all lagged down and fixed now, that was the trial run so it was just strapped in. Works great so I'm not fighting to get fuel to my loader. Got the big hand pump, not pleasant to pump so it discourages theft.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: coxy on March 17, 2016, 03:40:01 PM
Barge at least if you get the skidder started at -20 the fuel in the tank should be nice and warm from the fan for the other toys
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: timberlinetree on March 18, 2016, 04:47:46 AM
Lots of nice iron and great jobs! Thanks for posting and work safe!
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on March 18, 2016, 12:41:07 PM
Ditto! Well done!
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: BargeMonkey on March 19, 2016, 10:52:08 PM
Coxy-  had never thought about that but I bet it would warm up fuel, she does move alot of air, at least get something out of the 40-55gal of fuel she drinks every day. 

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1 jack helping another jack.  :D. I caught a stick in the center and it didn't end well. 1 of the cab jack hoses was bad, so lifted the cab and replaced 4 hoses yesterday. 

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Had a guy on FB tell me that "you can't get any wood" with a grapple skidder. Yes sometimes cable is the only way to go, but working behind a buncher you will curse all day long with cable getting bunches. I tried to buy a semi-clean 640D with a 400 winch last week but the guy won't haggle at all.  :D
Head back to the boat next week, I doubt this arrives before I leave. 1600hrs, leslie equipment guarding package, she is fast. 

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Haven't been on much, get home and crash. Trying to pound out this woodlot, only about 30% done so far.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Plankton on March 20, 2016, 07:50:26 PM
Nice shots barge! That's a serious hitch on there!

Snapped this photo yesterday hard to tell but 600 ft and a pulp twig all the old girl wanted.

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Another good one for the clark 664
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About a truck and a half there yesterday, shipped one load out today. One of these days Ill get a photo or video of the walking deck trailers these logs go out on.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/37042/20160319_184939.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: coxy on March 20, 2016, 08:24:23 PM
those walking floor trailers are neat the only thing they are a pita to load with the bars going a crossed the top and have to load from the back we did 3 one day the one old guy showed us how to do it (the last guy ) the other 2 all they did was complain how we were doing it that was the first time I ever saw them trailers and how they worked
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ken on March 21, 2016, 09:00:33 PM
A chipping operation set up on the same road we are still trucking out of.  Had to wait a bit for them to finish loading today before I could get by.  A Tigercat 845 buncher, a couple of 748 Deere skidders and a Morbark flail chipper on this job.  This outfit does not take long to cut a block.   

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on March 23, 2016, 09:11:01 PM
     Scenes from spring breakup

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     Load ready to go, that's probably around 18 cords of black spruce-

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     And today, starting a really nice pine thinning on sandy ground. Over half of what is cut is going for poles, it takes a very nice stand of wood for that

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11286/20160323_084108.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Clark on March 23, 2016, 10:17:02 PM
Quote from: barbender on March 23, 2016, 09:11:01 PM
     And today, starting a really nice pine thinning on sandy ground. Over half of what is cut is going for poles, it takes a very nice stand of wood for that

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11286/20160323_084108.jpg)

Holy! Is this state or federal ground?

Clark
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on March 23, 2016, 11:49:25 PM
     This is a state sale, right next door to the state nursery/research station at Bedoura so it has recieved a fair amount of grooming I think ;) This area has lots of well managed plantations, red, white and jack pine of varying age classes. It looks kind of like a pine garden :D

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on March 23, 2016, 11:52:02 PM
     Those poles are straight, I was using the panoramic function on my camera and it makes them look crooked :)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: BargeMonkey on March 24, 2016, 01:09:33 AM
You guys put up nice piles of wood.  :D.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: g_man on March 24, 2016, 11:52:13 AM
A change in scale. A little TSI job did last season. I put a tractor road in last July



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Cut the fir and some firewood late December



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This is what it looked like last week



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gg



Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: killamplanes on March 24, 2016, 12:46:18 PM
 

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: killamplanes on March 24, 2016, 12:47:51 PM
Everybody does things different as long as we make $ most the time
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on March 24, 2016, 11:54:37 PM
Quote from: killamplanes on March 24, 2016, 12:47:51 PM
Everybody does things different as long as we make $ most the time

     Isn't that the truth! I love seeing all the different ways we go about getting the wood out.

     G man, I love doing the type of work that you are. I wish I could be out with a saw in my hands more- I did get to drop 3 :o ;D trees today, I love felling timber.  If I could make a living around here doing small scale harvests with a focus on TSI, I'd be all over it.

     View down a strip


(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11286/20160324_105638.jpg)

     Poles and bolts on the landing

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: coxy on March 25, 2016, 05:07:43 AM
on the poles how many limbs are you guys allowed on the bud whorl   all of the red pine around here has 5 limbs and they wont buy it I cleared about 2a of red pine for a house site some of the r pine was 20in dbh and straight as an arrow shame to let it rot away the 2 soft wood mills are packed solid
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 78NHTFY on March 25, 2016, 09:56:55 AM
g-man: nice lot, nice load!  Have been doing the same--just fun being out in the woods at this time of year without 3' of snow to wade through.  This Winter sure has been different.  All the best, Rob. 
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on March 26, 2016, 03:27:26 PM
     Every time I get on a pole job, I start thinking about this video- https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fi7Fl76EyxI
     This is a very efficient forwarder operator- in Europe, I think they are very methodical compared to us in North America. They actually put operators through schooling before they ever get in a machine. My boss, I had only talked to him on the phone, he told me where the job was and where to find the keys on the machine :)  At any rate, I'm wondering if any of you other CTL operations handle poles much, and have any of you made an attachment like this operator has on his back bunk for skidding poles? I'll probably weld something up today, but I'm curious how others deal with poles with a forwarder. I'll just say, the way we do it works great until you have to turn :)

  Coxy, the pole buyer pre-marks the poles on the sale, with the length written on them. So we don't sort them ourselves, although I did quiz the pole cruiser as to what he's looking for. Mainly, the straightness, minimum diameter, branch whorls aren't an issue except for diagonal knots.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 1270d on March 26, 2016, 05:00:02 PM
I have never cut poles.  That does look like a pretty simple and effective  way to forward them out.   Looks like it allows another pivot point for turning.    Seems like there could only be one row on that rack or the next ones would slide off.      How many can you carry at a time barbender,  three or four?    This guy looks like he could get eight or ten on.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on March 26, 2016, 05:21:56 PM
     1270, if the landing is set up so I don't have to turn, I can put on 10 on that are size that are on this job (32', 37', and 42'). I guess I could fit mor, but I try not to push it as it puts all the weight on the back bunk, not to mention the strain put on the machine if you have to turn. If we get into big ones I might only skid 4. It all depends on how much turning I have to do. When I have long ones (47, 52,57, and 62' I don't think I've gotten into any longer) and turns, I sometimes just fill the "basement" with pulp or bolts, just so the poles can pivot and not bind up in the bottom of the bunks.  This is one of those situations where the mechanic and I keep talking about slapping one of these together, but then I get the job done and we forget about it until the next pole job comes up, 6 months later ::)  On this job however, I am having a heck of a time because the strips are laid out perpindicular to the woods road, and it is so tight I can't make the corner without poles on. I have to come out, stop and back up. So it is starting to get very tedious, and even the skidding plate won't completely solve my dilemma.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: chevytaHOE5674 on March 26, 2016, 05:32:31 PM
Last winter I cut some 40' aspen poles for a guys timber frame house. Forwarding them out was a real treat, basically we did did like you are talking filling the bottom of the bunk with some pulp and then putting the poles on top of them off the back. Trouble was it was winter time and we had some terrain to contend with so it seems like the forwarder guy was forever readjusting them or loosing them off the back.

Boss joked if we got into a job where we had to do that often he would go buy a cheap grapple skidder to move them around.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on March 26, 2016, 05:44:24 PM
If we have a really big job with poles, we will have a grapple skidder on the job. This is just a 400 cord sale, and it's a long ways from our shop. So I'm forwarding them. I actually like skidding poles, it's just this landing is not set up for them at all.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: coxy on March 26, 2016, 09:55:45 PM
how far is a long way from the shop  ;D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: chester_tree _farmah on March 28, 2016, 05:24:59 PM
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/32112/20160327_171337.jpg)

The old method. :) Thinning hardwood and feeding the deer on some high ground.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Peter Drouin on March 28, 2016, 06:25:25 PM
Is the black spruce cut into 2bys at a mill?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: chester_tree _farmah on March 28, 2016, 07:05:34 PM
There is no market here for small spruce or fir at this time. No spruce fir pulp market. Just sawlog  and studwood. Some take whole tree but it has to be good stuff.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on March 28, 2016, 09:51:49 PM
Quote from: coxy on March 26, 2016, 09:55:45 PM
how far is a long way from the shop  ;D

About 100 miles ;)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on March 28, 2016, 10:00:48 PM
Quote from: Peter Drouin on March 28, 2016, 06:25:25 PM
Is the black spruce cut into 2bys at a mill?

     Peter, I didn't know if you were asking me or Chester, but the Potlatch stud mill will happily take black spruce stud bolts down to 5 1/2". Sometimes we sort them, sometimes not. It depends on how full UPM is on wood, but usually when we are in black spruce (winter) UPM is trying to get ahold of all the spruce they can. BTW, ine of Potlatch's foresters told me if they could run their mill on just spruce, they would love it. It goes through the mill faster and is cheaper to dry. However, probably 75% of their volume is red pine, with the remainder made up of jack pine, spruce, balsam, and white pine.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: chester_tree _farmah on March 28, 2016, 10:07:04 PM
My apologies sir.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on March 28, 2016, 10:33:40 PM
Quote from: chester_tree _farmah on March 28, 2016, 10:07:04 PM
My apologies sir.

No apologies needed, he might have been asking you!
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Peter Drouin on March 29, 2016, 06:28:39 AM
My apologies, I should have asked in a better way. My ? was out there asking all who knew.
I like to see / hear what's out there. I'm always looking for markets for wood.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 1270d on March 29, 2016, 08:58:33 PM
 

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Older pic from a job with some nice aspen a few years ago. Ponsse S10 Caribou loading.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on March 30, 2016, 12:21:57 AM
Nice piles, looks like a forwarder load or more in each one!
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on March 31, 2016, 01:28:45 PM
Again, some great timber harvesting photos.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ken on March 31, 2016, 05:14:19 PM
It's not always fun and games.  Cracked gear cover on front of motor, leaky wheel seal on one bogey and a new sneaker for the other side.

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: coxy on April 01, 2016, 06:58:13 AM
I didn't think the newer eq broke down  :) :) :)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on April 01, 2016, 11:52:27 AM
  Sorry, Ken $$$ >:(  I finally finished my spring breakup pole sale, my landings turned into a real mess. Although this is sandy ground, the frost coming out has the ground saturated. In addition, we got a fair amount of rain one night. The one day, 4 trucks got sent out for poles. It was fortunate I was still on the job, because the first truck was stuck (with the big front mount loader and all the bunks on his trailer, he said he weighs 45,000 :o). Typically I am already gone when the pole haulers show up, so they were lucky this time. They come from over 200 miles away, and they wouldn't have been able to get loaded.  As it was, we got them set up in a wide spot, and I would skid the poles out to the loader truck. Then a bunk would back in, he would load those poles on. Then they would move ahead so I could skid more. Kind of a cluster  ut we got them all loaded and on their way.

     The loader truck put a load on at the landing, and then I pulled him out. You will notice the chain attached to his front end ;D
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11286/20160330_121506.jpg)


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(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11286/20160330_145215.jpg)

     When a landing turns to slop, I do my best to dress it up when I get done. It's a challenge with the tiny blade on the forwarder.  It always feels good to get a job finished, but a muddy job always looks best in the rear view mirror ;)


(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11286/20160331_191251.jpg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Peter Drouin on April 01, 2016, 05:48:52 PM
Is that Red Pine barbender?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on April 01, 2016, 07:22:02 PM
Yes it is, Peter. That is the only species that they take for poles (from our area). I think the max length we get around here would be around 75', so for longer poles they get Red cedar from the west coast.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ken on April 01, 2016, 07:25:11 PM
Quote from: coxy on April 01, 2016, 06:58:13 AM
I didn't think the newer eq broke down  :) :) :)

Coxy  That old forwarder has over 38000 hours on it so it deserves a bit of work now and then. 

Barbender  I would love to get an opportunity to work in a red pine stand like that.  Very few stands of red pine in this part of the world.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Corley5 on April 01, 2016, 07:48:52 PM
A couple pics from last winter.

Togetherness  ;D

 

 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10027/154.JPG)

Removing cylinder from Franklin with Tree Farmer  :)  It's good to have an extra machine



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Ready for re install.


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Partial load of hardwood pulp from last winter.


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: dustintheblood on April 01, 2016, 09:31:03 PM
Quote from: barbender on April 01, 2016, 11:52:27 AM
  Sorry, Ken $$$ >:(  I finally finished my spring breakup pole sale, my landings turned into a real mess. Although this is sandy ground, the frost coming out has the ground saturated. In addition, we got a fair amount of rain one night. The one day, 4 trucks got sent out for poles. It was fortunate I was still on the job, because the first truck was stuck (with the big front mount loader and all the bunks on his trailer, he said he weighs 45,000 :o). Typically I am already gone when the pole haulers show up, so they were lucky this time. They come from over 200 miles away, and they wouldn't have been able to get loaded.  As it was, we got them set up in a wide spot, and I would skid the poles out to the loader truck. Then a bunk would back in, he would load those poles on. Then they would move ahead so I could skid more. Kind of a cluster  ut we got them all loaded and on their way.

     The loader truck put a load on at the landing, and then I pulled him out. You will notice the chain attached to his front end ;D
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11286/20160330_121506.jpg)


(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11286/20160330_132345.jpg)


(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11286/20160330_145215.jpg)

     When a landing turns to slop, I do my best to dress it up when I get done. It's a challenge with the tiny blade on the forwarder.  It always feels good to get a job finished, but a muddy job always looks best in the rear view mirror ;)


(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11286/20160331_191251.jpg)

Hi Barbender,

Quick kudos and thumbs up and smiley faces and all that internets stuff to you.

I've spent a lifetime in the forest sector and am spending my semi-retirement advising the national and provincial wood sector here in Canada.  Now all that and a couple of bucks will buy you a cup of coffee, but the reason is to let you know that from what I've seen of your work and ethics, you're a great example of how to do it right.  Great job all around!!!!

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: dustintheblood on April 01, 2016, 09:32:39 PM
Quote from: Corley5 on April 01, 2016, 07:48:52 PM
A couple pics from last winter.

Togetherness  ;D

 

 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10027/154.JPG)

Removing cylinder from Franklin with Tree Farmer  :)  It's good to have an extra machine



 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10027/155.JPG)

Ready for re install.


 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10027/152.JPG)

Partial load of hardwood pulp from last winter.


 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10027/146.JPG)

Give me old iron to work on any day!  This new fangled stuff sure does cut like heck but I'll be darned if I can fix it without googalizing it first.

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Gearbox on April 01, 2016, 09:42:20 PM
Barbender has been to best logging practice class .
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on April 01, 2016, 10:11:52 PM
     Gee, thanks guys! I just try to do it the way I would want it if it was my property, and leave things so the boss doesn't have to haul out a dozer to fix a mess I left etc. Ken, you would have loved processing this Red pine. It probably had the best form of any I have worked in. I think it was around 400 cords total, and only about 80 was bolts and pulp. The rest made poles. It seems like usually those numbers are flip flopped ;)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: BargeMonkey on April 01, 2016, 10:42:23 PM
 I'm always impressed with the CTL pictures you guys post. Everything always looks clean and efficient.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: chester_tree _farmah on April 02, 2016, 05:54:49 PM
How about some pics of your C4D forwarder Corly? :)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Corley5 on April 02, 2016, 06:19:54 PM
When it was new to me  ;) ;D



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Later days.  Still hand cutting.


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Loading the firewood machine.



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Sugar maple saw bolts



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A couple winters ago.



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Winter before last.



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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Logger RK on April 02, 2016, 06:43:07 PM
Nice Tree Farmer. Looks about the same color I painted my stuff. ::)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on April 02, 2016, 07:58:32 PM
     Corley, with those single bunk machines, do you have to set the blade down for stability when running the crane?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: chester_tree _farmah on April 02, 2016, 08:03:59 PM


Thank you sir. Very nice machine!
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Corley5 on April 02, 2016, 08:55:36 PM
She's tippy loading and unloading without the blade down ;) ;D  It's got a pretty high center of gravity.  The 132 Franklin is much more stable. 
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: BargeMonkey on April 02, 2016, 11:42:38 PM
Very nice looking machine, those CTL jobs always look good. Forwarder is beyond handy sometimes.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: RHP Logging on April 03, 2016, 12:12:42 AM
Nice machines Corley!  Yeah the Franklin roof mounts are great machines. My headache rack is a touch taller. Takes some gettin used to loading and unloading.  Especially big logs.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: timberlinetree on April 03, 2016, 06:15:15 AM
Nice! Does anyone run duels on these forwarders( for stability)?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: wannaergo on April 07, 2016, 10:21:49 PM
New machine showed up today. Ponsse ergo, 8 wheel, H8 head. Now I gotta learn how to run the dang thing.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/33326/image~1.jpeg)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 1270d on April 07, 2016, 10:37:27 PM
sure is purty!  Have to change name to gottaergo now.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: chevytaHOE5674 on April 08, 2016, 01:30:45 AM
Is that the C44+ boom? Don't see too many of that style, most have the C5 sliding style. That H8 is a monster of a head, not as fast as a H7 but has lots of power. Would love to be running that.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Gary_C on April 08, 2016, 01:40:19 AM
Did you stay with the Ergo to get that H8 head? Or was it too long a wait for a Scorpion?

I know another guy that wanted a H8 head on a Scorpion and Ponsse said no.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Gary_C on April 08, 2016, 02:01:03 AM
Quote from: timberlinetree on April 03, 2016, 06:15:15 AM
Nice! Does anyone run duels on these forwarders( for stability)?

On my 6 wheel machines, I mostly run tracks on the bogeys year around for both flotation and weight (stability). Other guys that don't run tracks sometimes use fluid in the bogey tires for stability but that can cause some rutting and compaction.

It also depends on the size of the bogey tires on the 6 wheelers. Some guys run 600's for bogeys for better navigation between the rows in pine stands. The guys that run the narrower tires are more likely to use fluid in the tires. I run 700's and tracks but lately have been running without tracks on the forwarder because I've had to run down some county roads sometimes.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: chevytaHOE5674 on April 08, 2016, 02:11:22 AM
Quote from: Gary_C on April 08, 2016, 01:40:19 AM
I know another guy that wanted a H8 head on a Scorpion and Ponsse said no.

Yeah only the H7 head on the Scorpion King. As the salesman told me the Scorpion is really just to lure the John Deere 1270 guys over to Ponsse as the rotating cab/boom is the style they are used to and were asking for. The Ergo is still the workhorse of the fleet.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: wannaergo on April 08, 2016, 05:51:16 AM
Yeah we wanted the H8 head, because we cut a lot of hardwood. We went with the c44+ Because it's the only crane that will work with the ergo-h8 combo. That head is pretty dang fast as well as powerful.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on April 08, 2016, 06:04:11 AM
wannaergo,that will move some wood. I see you got some new snow.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Peter Drouin on April 08, 2016, 06:13:31 AM
Nice, If you have time can you get a closer pic of the head?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 1270d on April 08, 2016, 07:24:31 AM
My c50 scorpion boom is the same as the c44+ with the exception of the over the cab wishbone (I think).   I'm hoping after a few years of production the boom proves out enough to order the h8/scorpion combo.     
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on April 08, 2016, 09:33:59 AM
     We just got a new Ergo 8 wheel, with an H7. It's still sitting in the Ponsse yard, it's too wet to get in the woods ::)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: JLeBouton on April 16, 2016, 06:18:04 PM
JP Skidmore CF-22 installed on a Timberpro TN 725C for Jacobs Logging in Antigo, WI

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: wannaergo on April 16, 2016, 08:05:32 PM
Didn't barko have some kind of rights to that head?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: JLeBouton on April 16, 2016, 08:24:43 PM
Quote from: wannaergo on April 16, 2016, 08:05:32 PM
Didn't barko have some kind of rights to that head?

That was the CF-18.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: wannaergo on April 16, 2016, 09:50:46 PM
Oh gotcha. If I was to run another fixed head, I would absolutely go with the cf-22. Looks like a great head. I was talking to the barko salesman, and if it's as fast in the woods as it is on paper, it's pretty impressive. I just don't have any interest in going back to fixed.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on April 16, 2016, 10:32:13 PM
     How are you liking that H8 dangle head, wannergo?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Peter Drouin on April 17, 2016, 06:13:46 AM
CF/22 WoW. That's nice.  8) 8)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: wannaergo on April 17, 2016, 06:34:55 AM
Quote from: barbender on April 16, 2016, 10:32:13 PM
     How are you liking that H8 dangle head, wannergo?

We got shut down a few days after it showed up, so I only have maybe 15-20 hours on it, but I sure enjoyed them.  The head is super fast, powerful, and the machine is smooth. I'm getting a little bit antsy sitting at home and not cutting wood. Hopefully be back to work in a week. Good thing we haven't paid for it yet.  :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Firewoodjoe on April 17, 2016, 08:42:46 PM
I see some deeres are getting skidmores also.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Firewoodjoe on April 17, 2016, 08:45:42 PM
I just looked again to be sure. Ones on YouTube with a cf-20. It's a 4 roller much like the fabtec style
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 1270d on April 18, 2016, 08:40:07 PM
 

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New TL725.  Should be working within a week.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on April 18, 2016, 11:44:14 PM
     Is that a bar saw head, 1270? Do you guys bunch all of your wood?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 1270d on April 19, 2016, 12:12:00 AM
Yes sir, 32 inch barsaw.    Pretty much all the wood is bunched anymore.  I still cut soft ground and miscellaneous other stuff with the harvester, but pretty much all chasing the buncher.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 1270d on April 20, 2016, 10:28:26 PM
First day back cutting

https://youtu.be/Tfc6sWjRBZ4
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on April 20, 2016, 10:48:37 PM
     What is the advantage of the barsaw head, vs. a hot saw? More control? Just curious. One of our contract guys just picked up an older buncher and is trying that method out. Other than that, we have a few state Red pine final felling clearcuts where it is specified in the contract "full tree skidding only". It basically wipes out all the underbrush and opens up the soil. The state figures they are getting their site prep for replanting for free, and I can't argue with them. Some of those will be bunched, pulled in with a skidder to the landing, and processed by a CTL harvester. Other than that, we pretty much just fall with the harvesters.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Gary_C on April 20, 2016, 11:06:03 PM
Very nice video! I would love to have that clear view in a Scorpion but then I think of all the wood that needs to be cut to pay for one and just keep on with my Ergo.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: killamplanes on April 20, 2016, 11:25:28 PM
In that 12 minute video I believe that I couldnt have hand felled and bucked those in an 8 hour day and u might have used 5 gallons od 2 dollar fuel :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: chevytaHOE5674 on April 20, 2016, 11:51:20 PM
Quote from: killamplanes on April 20, 2016, 11:25:28 PM
...and u might have used 5 gallons od 2 dollar fuel :D

Not sure on the Scorpion, but the Ergo I run uses 2~4 gallons per hour. So in that 12 minutes he probably used around 1/2 gallon of fuel.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 1270d on April 21, 2016, 05:15:54 AM
Quote from: barbender on April 20, 2016, 10:48:37 PM
     What is the advantage of the barsaw head, vs. a hot saw? More control? Just curious. One of our contract guys just picked up an older buncher and is trying that method out. Other than that, we have a few state Red pine final felling clearcuts where it is specified in the contract "full tree skidding only". It basically wipes out all the underbrush and opens up the soil. The state figures they are getting their site prep for replanting for free, and I can't argue with them. Some of those will be bunched, pulled in with a skidder to the landing, and processed by a CTL harvester. Other than that, we pretty much just fall with the harvesters.

Often we work in Rocky rough ground and he will prep the skid trails to speed up the forwarders.  Digging and pulling stumps etc.  Also one cut for bigger trees.  Using the head to lift up the machine to turn.   Other contractors have harvesters fall the wood that the hot saw can't efficiently get to, we can get it all with this machine.  Except swamps...

The new machine is plumbed for a hot saw or  bar saw.  If it seems like a big advantage down the road we can swap.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: g_man on April 21, 2016, 07:15:12 AM
Great video !! Thanks for posting. I love seeing how it is done.  Makes my tractor and winch look silly though .....

gg
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: MUDDY on April 21, 2016, 08:14:07 PM
That one stick looked a little long. ..
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ken on April 21, 2016, 08:27:58 PM
Love the pictures and videos.  Thanks for posting  Those TimberPros look awesome but they have not made an impact around here.  I would also love to operate a Scorpion.  The extra window room must be nice.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on April 21, 2016, 10:00:22 PM
     I have no experience operating the Timberpros.  But I do know one thing about them- when they punch through soft ground, it ain't just a little :o  There's been more than one around here working frozen swamps that went down so far the top of the cab was below ground height ::)  I got to forward a job where the Timberpro had drove out in the swamp, sunk about 2 feet, and backed right out and called us to come cut it with CTL equipment.  I skidded the whole job right past his ruts, until I finally fell through on my last load :D That's the worst I've ever fell through, I actually had to throw my load off to get out.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on April 21, 2016, 10:12:01 PM
     1270, what would you rate as the more beneficial aspect of the Scorpion harvester- the visibility, or the self leveling?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 1270d on April 23, 2016, 05:11:50 AM
Quote from: barbender on April 21, 2016, 10:12:01 PM
     1270, what would you rate as the more beneficial aspect of the Scorpion harvester- the visibility, or the self leveling?

I would say the visibility.   The leveling and active suspension is great, but you couldn't utilize it fully without the visibility.   It's a well designed package.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 1270d on May 04, 2016, 08:47:16 PM
 

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A forwarder operator's favorite time of year, when the aspen bark is slipping.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: RHP Logging on May 04, 2016, 10:02:33 PM
Yep bark really started slipping today. Easier to find the eab trees that way. Not that it matters anymore other than justifying our actions.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: chevytaHOE5674 on May 04, 2016, 10:06:55 PM
Aspen and Basswood bark are terrible not only for the forwarder man but the processor guy and the trucker. Sometimes it wants to wad up under the measuring wheel on the processor throwing your lengths off and the forwarder and trucker have to mix a little dirt in to keep the logs from sliding all over the place.

But at least your working. We are still waiting on restrictions to go off so we can get back to work.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 1270d on May 05, 2016, 06:31:00 AM
 

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A nice sunrise with our new Timberpro
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on May 05, 2016, 06:33:23 AM
1270d,you have a great day
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: lopet on May 05, 2016, 09:48:00 PM
I always dreamed about being in the woods when the sun rises.  Sometimes still do. :)
Nice pictures.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: BargeMonkey on May 05, 2016, 10:08:42 PM
 

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Not cutting much great. Few 1-2 log pasture oaks and fw. 

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When the going get tough, you start pulling cable.  :D  skid is so long from the back its worth while. 

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A "little" pond we have been doing just up the road. 

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Finally got my free antique squared away, move

 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/34634/PART_1462498882786_20160428_161847.jpg)  it about 3 miles down the road when I get home. Working alone and this should speed things up.
The bank asked if I had some wood ahead. They kick and scream to finance forestry equipment but did the rough math on almost 800 cord stacked right now ahead.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on May 05, 2016, 11:37:51 PM
      Good times ;)

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: lopet on May 06, 2016, 09:18:54 PM
Assuming you mean the slippery bark you're almost sounding a women , good means bad or  no   means  yes and so on.  ;D
Or did you bend some thing ? :)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: dustintheblood on May 06, 2016, 09:54:04 PM
Running machinery and dealing with women are just the same....

when you hear something grinding, just smile and nod.   And then fix it fast.

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 13, 2016, 05:43:28 PM
740 Timberjack Feller Buncher used on a salvage job of white ash infected with the emerald ash bore. This area of northern hardwoods was selectively harvested about 12 years ago before the white ash infestation, but the small white ash logs and pole size ash trees that became infected with the emerald ash bore are now being removed. Spring 2016.   


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 1270d on May 20, 2016, 05:49:38 AM
The guys from Timberpro stopped by our job to take some film of our buncher.   Here it is!

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jHZgawrlKU8
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: coxy on May 20, 2016, 07:23:05 AM
neat video  do you have much trouble jumping the tracks
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: BargeMonkey on May 20, 2016, 07:42:14 AM
Every manufacturer has jumped on the drone videos, love seeing that machine work. Why did you guys go barsaw in smaller stuff ? Got to ask, 4/5 of the bunchers around here are barsaw but it's because of stuff 24" up. New timberpro is 480-525???
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Straightgrain on May 20, 2016, 10:09:01 AM
Cool video; thanks!

Machine and technique.

What are some of the reasons to harvest trees of that size & that scope (clear cutting)?

Will that area be replanted with a different (more profitable) species?
A parking lot?
Is that simply the size needed?

Thanks again.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 1270d on May 20, 2016, 07:14:55 PM
Quote from: coxy on May 20, 2016, 07:23:05 AM
neat video  do you have much trouble jumping the tracks

Only when the UC gets pretty worn.

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 1270d on May 20, 2016, 07:21:06 PM
Quote from: BargeMonkey on May 20, 2016, 07:42:14 AM
Every manufacturer has jumped on the drone videos, love seeing that machine work. Why did you guys go barsaw in smaller stuff ? Got to ask, 4/5 of the bunchers around here are barsaw but it's because of stuff 24" up. New timberpro is 480-525???

This particular job is real small wood, not typical.   Usually we work in decent sized hardwood on rocky hilly terrain.   The head gets used a lot for uprooting trees and moving dirt to make better skid trails.  We may buy a disc saw head too if these type stands become more common.   

You pretty much take whatever job you can get during breakup
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 1270d on May 20, 2016, 07:24:31 PM
Quote from: Straightgrain on May 20, 2016, 10:09:01 AM
Cool video; thanks!

Machine and technique.

What are some of the reasons to harvest trees of that size & that scope (clear cutting)?

Will that area be replanted with a different (more profitable) species?
A parking lot?
Is that simply the size needed?

Thanks again.

This is 50-60 yr old aspen with balsam fir mixed in.   The aspen is not growing well and is poor quality so it is going.

Aspen stands are usually managed by clear cutting and it will regenerate quickly from the existing root system..
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Straightgrain on May 20, 2016, 08:14:53 PM
Quote from: 1270d on May 20, 2016, 07:24:31 PM
Quote from: Straightgrain on May 20, 2016, 10:09:01 AM
Cool video; thanks!

Machine and technique.

What are some of the reasons to harvest trees of that size & that scope (clear cutting)?

Will that area be replanted with a different (more profitable) species?
A parking lot?
Is that simply the size needed?

Thanks again.

This is 50-60 yr old aspen with balsam fir mixed in.   The aspen is not growing well and is poor quality so it is going.

Aspen stands are usually managed by clear cutting and it will regenerate quickly from the existing root system..

Thanks, I'm in awe of that machine and the way it is being utilized.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on May 20, 2016, 09:42:20 PM
     Nice video, 1270 ;) I can see where being able to dump stumps would be a huge advantage for forwarding. I was bouncing over some big hardwood stumps on a sidehill today, thinking "I wish a barsaw buncher would've gotten rid of those for me" ;D I end up getting frustrated and pushing them out with the forwarder blade sometimes.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: BargeMonkey on May 20, 2016, 09:43:49 PM
I have a friend jumping into the mechanical game right now, trying to show him the light on a disc saw for cutting bigger HW behind a cable skidder.  :D A barsaw head is slower, but you can do so much more, I routinely cut a road, yank stumps and move a few rocks that would require a dozer with the head. The timberpro's are so nice. Another semi local guy I know bought a new 725B, 300hp and longer track is nice. I think the tigercat barsaw with the lowen wrist is the barsaw head to have.  :D. 
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ken on May 22, 2016, 05:07:23 PM
Quote from: 1270d on May 20, 2016, 05:49:38 AM
The guys from Timberpro stopped by our job to take some film of our buncher.   

Don't think I've seen a buncher with a barsaw around here.  A disc would sure make short work of that poplar and fir.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: wannaergo on May 26, 2016, 04:02:08 PM
Someone asked awhile back for pictures of our ponsse h8 so here goes.

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on May 26, 2016, 08:49:10 PM
     How's the Ergo handling that big head, now that you have some time in it? One of our guys just went from a Bear (early model, I think it was the first one in North America) to a new Ergo 8w with an H7 head. He said the Ergo actually has more power. The Bear had seen a LOT of wood though ;D I think Ponsse is going to totally refurbish that machine-new head, crane, pumps.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: wannaergo on May 26, 2016, 08:58:41 PM
It throws it around great! I wouldn't mind a little more boom power for horsing around big wood, but for the most part I'm thrilled with it. I found out today that it actually has h7 feed motors in it. It's super fast, and the power is impressive. That head builds up momentum right quick.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: BargeMonkey on June 05, 2016, 12:15:37 AM
 

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Doesn't like the big hardwood but any of the smaller stuff it chews it right up. Having trouble loading pictures, I'm cutting 2 jobs right now, on another small private road mowing down hemlock on certain days. Trying to get done on this one, about 1/2 done now.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on June 05, 2016, 12:17:38 AM
Hey, that looks like a pretty big landing...er, header, for you ;)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Straightgrain on June 05, 2016, 10:43:59 AM
Quote from: BargeMonkey on June 05, 2016, 12:15:37 AM


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Doesn't like the big hardwood but any of the smaller stuff it chews it right up. Having trouble loading pictures, I'm cutting 2 jobs right now, on another small private road mowing down hemlock on certain days. Trying to get done on this one, about 1/2 done now.

Your OPTEMPO is amazing; driving a barge, logging on two jobs. Much to be respected about hard working people.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: BargeMonkey on June 06, 2016, 10:51:13 PM
Quote from: Straightgrain on June 05, 2016, 10:43:59 AM
Quote from: BargeMonkey on June 05, 2016, 12:15:37 AM


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Doesn't like the big hardwood but any of the smaller stuff it chews it right up. Having trouble loading pictures, I'm cutting 2 jobs right now, on another small private road mowing down hemlock on certain days. Trying to get done on this one, about 1/2 done now.

Your OPTEMPO is amazing; driving a barge, logging on two jobs. Much to be respected about hard working people.
Its called "indentured servitude".  :D :D :D. I should be home drinking beer and chasing woman the 2-4wks im off the boat, instead I just got in from 13hrs in the woods. But I enjoy it. Finally got some newer pics to load.
"Barbender", there was a "small" clearing there when I started, kind of hard to stack 800-1000 cord in one little spot.  ;D


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That's yesterday afternoon. Behind the delimber is another wall from today. Kind of looks like the same picture over and over, there is 12X stacks running along the big stack now. People come up and have never seen that much wood in 1 spot before. 

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I need another grapple skidder, can't feed the limber fast enough.


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TSI work. It pays so I don't care. Cutting some hemlock down in the hole. I've got 150Kft of monster oak to cut right next door, whatever to keep them happy. 

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We have 8 fulltime guys right now. My other home, wrenching on screens and greasing and fueling equipment. Gravel/stone/material is big business down here. Anyway back to the grind tomorrow.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on June 07, 2016, 07:50:34 PM
You're one busy person! ;) Great wood production.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 1270d on June 08, 2016, 10:21:48 PM
 

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A little downhill work today in the Scorpion.   These won't climb like a tracked machine, but they can go down hills that make your stomach flip.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: chevytaHOE5674 on June 08, 2016, 10:35:20 PM
Looks familiar :D. Today was going down a hill and I just about had my feet on the dash to stay in the seat.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: chevytaHOE5674 on June 09, 2016, 02:49:06 PM
Never a good day when this happens... >:(
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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: lopet on June 09, 2016, 09:57:45 PM
We all get those days, it's just part of the game.  :D

Do those boogies float ? Or can you apply pressure to the one side and limb out of the woods ?

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: chevytaHOE5674 on June 09, 2016, 10:18:17 PM
They float. That tire has had a bad bad sidewall for 2 years it was just a matter of time until it blew. I swung the boom off to the side and took some weight off it and drove it out. Then swung the boom farther over and unlocked the frame to get the tire up off the ground. Off was easy we will see about getting it back on tomorrow.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on June 09, 2016, 11:03:36 PM
Yep, a flat tire is kind of a "groan" event :(
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: coxy on June 10, 2016, 07:12:35 AM
 wonder how they would be foam filled  :-\
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: chevytaHOE5674 on June 10, 2016, 07:16:41 AM
I'd imagine the ride would be rougher than heck. They are filled with calcium chloride but that still allows them to flex over rocks, stumps, logs, etc.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 1270d on June 10, 2016, 07:02:12 PM
Who does your tire service?    All of my tires are dry, but I've heard a lot of ponsse guys run the juice for extra stability.   We also almost always have Pomps come change them in the woods.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: chevytaHOE5674 on June 10, 2016, 08:41:26 PM
We sorta do our own tire service. I took it off and took it to Whitetail tire down in Ewen, and had a new used tire mounted up. Came back and tossed it on and away we went this afternoon. The loaded tires make a huge difference in stability when reaching off to the sides. 
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 1270d on June 10, 2016, 09:49:59 PM
Have never worked far enough west to deal with whitetail.   R&r in lanse a time or two.   The scorpion has the active stabilization and is rock steady.   I'd be afraid it would be a lead balloon in swamps if the rubber was loaded.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: chevytaHOE5674 on June 10, 2016, 10:51:22 PM
This old girl doesn't have any fancy pants active stabilization :D, just the oscillation joint frame lock. But on hills reaching out to the sides with the frame locked the whole machine will get a little light from time to time. On a steep downhill If I reach the boom straight out and grab onto a decent sized tree the cab end of the machine will come off the ground if I'm not careful.

As far as weight all 4 boggy tires loaded up only adds like 4800lbs to the overall machine which still puts the machine under 49K which I think is what the scorpion weighs? Being an 8 wheeler your machine will float a lot better, the 6w Ergo sinks like a lead balloon under the cab in a hurry.

R&R in Lanse? Was that the place in the old ford dealership there on the hill going out of town?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 1270d on June 10, 2016, 11:35:23 PM
Yes, was in the Ford dealer.   They closed over a year ago I think.  mine weighs around 55 k all tracked up.    Only thing I've been wishing for lately is balanced bogies.   We have been in some hills and the regular ones aren't nearly as good for climbing.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: BargeMonkey on June 13, 2016, 12:21:42 AM
 

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I'm not a fan of hammering a woodlot, I do everything I can to make sure that there is good wood left and a future for 15+yrs from now when my kid can come back and cut it. The guy who cut these 20+yrs ago didn't think that way. Cut the very best and ran, lots of small junk wood, alot of scarred wood, landowners basically told me to make it look good. 

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I don't know how I went without one of these.  :D :D :D. It's not really that slow, spent some time and went thru it, now I won't part with it. Below 24" on the stump it doesn't care. 460 literally can't shovel me wood fast enough. Can't give firewood away right now. 

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I rarely get to cut alot of good wood. Little bit here and there but alot of pulp and garbage. I will say stacking the brush in a few spots in the woods makes it so clean. It's almost scary now seeing how much ground and wood you can cut in 1 day. Be back in the cab by 7am.  :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on June 13, 2016, 06:33:26 PM
I know what you mean with harvesting poor stands. We do a lot of stand restructuring and aesthetic improvement with stands that were "hammered" and high graded in the past. We are more landscapers than loggers. ;)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 1270d on July 01, 2016, 09:52:08 PM
 

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Here is a shot of my ScorpionKing all ready to load up heading to a new job.   It's the only harvester that folds up like this.   Kind of a pain compared to some.
  The head had a bolt on guard over the top knife and this rests on the machine steps, which are bolted in place.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: BargeMonkey on July 01, 2016, 10:38:29 PM
That is a bad looking machine.  :D  alot of hrs on it already ?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 1270d on July 01, 2016, 10:56:08 PM
About 3200 now.   It's a sweet ride for sure.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: g_man on July 22, 2016, 04:52:39 PM
The last two afternoons I used the TD7G to convert a rough old skid trail into a trail I can run my tractor and winch on. With a small dozer it can be challenging to find enough dirt to straighten out what the skidders left on rocky hillsides. Every big rock you push up either has to be buried or you need to find more dirt which brings up more rocks to fill the hole. These are my roads so to me it is worth the time. It is fun work and I have to concentrate so much I forget that it is hot out.



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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: dustintheblood on July 22, 2016, 07:19:13 PM
Nice work g_man.  My oh my your woods looks just like mine.  This past spring I used a Cat 308 with a thumb to groom and layout new trails here (another post thread).  I too expressed how hard it is to scrape up a shovel full to drop into the holes after the rocks were either removed or moved around to get it smooth.

The final trail smoothing was a ton of work, but totally worth it.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ed_K on July 22, 2016, 08:36:38 PM
Bet your glad you don't live across the conn. river they have BIG rocks. I worked on some rds in the green mountain Nat. forest in the early 80, we would find open spots between trees on upper hill sides to get material for fills.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ken on July 28, 2016, 07:31:22 PM
The truck is getting a little help getting over the hill on a greasy morning.  I am so glad to have the harvester moved to a flat area with short yarding trails for a little while.  We have been working nasty side hills all summer.  The valley behind the landing is where these nice spruce logs came from.  Most of the block is tolerant hardwood but there are some dandy spruce.  The block has not been touched for many decades.

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on July 29, 2016, 11:25:05 AM
A good load. Hills can be a real pain to work. Some special knowledge and skills are needed.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: coxy on July 29, 2016, 06:37:58 PM
just wondering   how come you don't put chains on :-\ or is it easyer to push it out
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: chevytaHOE5674 on July 30, 2016, 08:49:55 AM
Around here if the road is kind of loose all chains really do is let you dig down farther faster. Pushing is quick and easy.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Gearbox on July 30, 2016, 09:24:09 AM
coxy  if there are rocks in the road you will be repairing chains every time you put them on .
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on August 16, 2016, 02:33:27 PM
This woodhauler makes time down the highway with a load of red pine saw bolts probably headed for an Amish sawmill.


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on August 20, 2016, 05:16:27 PM
Fighting rain, hills, and ruts has been the norm in northern MN this summer. It could be worse, we're not flooder or anything like folks are dealing with other places.

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A little deceptive rut fixing with the bucket


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Like it never even happened ;D These little boogers come ride with me sometimes, our 3 youngest. It's one of the little blessings being able to bring the kids out with me


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And finally, after slogging through mud and lots of bad terrain, with the accompanying poor production, it's nice to get a job like this. Red pine clear cut, very good production. 2 Ponsse Buffalo Kings, about 650 cords on the landing in 3 days.The only downside is for the landowner, this plantation got wiped out by a windstorm >:(

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Dave Shepard on August 20, 2016, 05:23:49 PM
I love your OCD stacking. :)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on August 20, 2016, 11:26:14 PM
The challenge is to be neat and FAST ;) To be honest, we have more of an emphasis on the fast part, but I do my best to keep things as neat as I can while keeping the crane a-swingin' ;) I've had like 5 truck drivers say "thanks for the neat piles" in 4 years so I must be doing something right :) :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: snowstorm on August 21, 2016, 07:53:33 AM
Quote from: barbender on August 20, 2016, 11:26:14 PM
The challenge is to be neat and FAST ;) To be honest, we have more of an emphasis on the fast part, but I do my best to keep things as neat as I can while keeping the crane a-swingin' ;) I've had like 5 truck drivers say "thanks for the neat piles" in 4 years so I must be doing something right :) :D
you gotta stop putting these pictures of perfect wood piles on here. this is what i hear ...why dont your piles look like barbenders.......
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Logger RK on August 21, 2016, 08:24:26 AM
I believe in neat piles also. Then we have trucks picking it up without having to call. I was told once by a trucker that I must sit a the bar and practice pilling straw's up when I'm not Logging. :D I always figure it's worth taking pride in your work. Even when fixing Eq,if it involves wielding I'll intial it & put the year,if there's room. I'm still seeing things my Dad fixed 40 years ago 8)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on August 21, 2016, 02:16:52 PM
I'll share a secret with you guys- the camera makes things appear neater than they really are ;) The big pile on the far side of the hayfield was put up by the other operator, he tends to trend more to the "fast" than the "neat" :D The main thing I try to accomplish when making piles is that the trucks can reach everything and load with a minimum of fuss; they get paid by the load, I get paid by the hour. I try to keep the sticks laying level and parallel, I am less concerned with them being perfecly flush on the ends. Within 6" is close enough. Another area I can help them out is keeping as much brush and dirt out of the piles as possible. I could go faster if I just closed the bucket on the wood with no concern with what comes up with it- and some guys do. I figure forwarding in of itself is a  pretty simple job, it's how you deal with all the little issues that come up that can make you stand out ;)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ken on August 23, 2016, 09:31:34 PM
I've had one small flat area since June.  Getting a little tired of nasty sidehills.  I'm having to use the excavator on some of these trails in order to make it accessible for the forwarder. My road into this block comes off the Route 8 hwy at the top of the pictures

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on August 23, 2016, 10:39:21 PM
Pictures never do the hills justice. I'm thinking that is very steep though.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: AlexHart on August 23, 2016, 11:05:21 PM
What a nice view that's making.   I guess if you can look out there while eating lunch that would count as a fringe benefit.  :) 
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: BargeMonkey on August 23, 2016, 11:08:55 PM
 Always nice to have a good view on a job, that is nice looking country.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: BargeMonkey on August 23, 2016, 11:16:33 PM
 

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Still on the same job, slow progress and waiting out log prices. 

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I knew one of these days I would get the pleasure of working on that boom chain, didn't realize it broke till it spit the whole thing out the back. Miserable job getting it back together. 

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Maintenance.  :D  dust is so bad everything needed a bath again. We have 2 water wagons and the little one works great for the washer. 

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The guy didn't have a big enough excavator.  :D basically shut down cutting wood and driving truck when I'm home lately.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: coxy on August 24, 2016, 09:26:26 PM
barge we had a 400 in the blue stone quarry one time that thing was a monster   the one so called operator ripped the bucket to shreds trying to get the top rock off the boss just smiled and said they better get another bucket here asap   about 8-9 years ago I was some place over by Tannersville and they where doing some digging in the river from a flood I think    I saw the biggest excavator I ever saw in person that thing was huge it had double dipper rams and doudle jib boom rams  one track looked to be about 4ft wide 
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: BargeMonkey on August 25, 2016, 12:52:35 AM
 That's a new 490 Komatsu with all the emissions crap, eats 100gal a day on economy mode in 6hrs just loading trucks. The tunnel they are digging is something to see, they lower a 135 kobelco zero in to load the rock pail and it looks like an ant. When we where doing the mass excavation part of it they had a new 375E Cat with a 5yd pail, they had 10-12 trucks hauling to keep up. I remember when a 690-790 was a big machine. It's nice work down there but the rock is rough, just lined another box last weekend with 450 hardox. Your "buddy" still have that limber he dragged down from Maine ?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: coxy on August 25, 2016, 06:53:40 AM
ya  :D :D :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: danbuendgen on August 25, 2016, 09:10:47 PM
Quote from: BargeMonkey on August 25, 2016, 12:52:35 AM
eats 100gal a day on economy mode in 6hrs just loading trucks.

100 gallons?????? What is the EPA thinking? Sure it burns cleaner, but an older would not burn half that!
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Loghauler86 on August 25, 2016, 09:28:57 PM
Exactly, with the piles of empty DEF containers around and all the extra resources used to make these ridiculous emissions systems. There probably is no environmental benefit at the end of the day.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Puffergas on August 25, 2016, 10:03:23 PM
The good news is that John Deere has fire extinguisher port holes all over the engine compartment.. 😉

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: danbuendgen on August 26, 2016, 06:11:19 AM
Quote from: Loghauler86 on August 25, 2016, 09:28:57 PM
Exactly, with the piles of empty DEF containers around and all the extra resources used to make these ridiculous emissions systems. There probably is no environmental benefit at the end of the day.

Burning 3x more fuel to get the same job done, is not worth it. I don't care how clean it burns. Now we just hand over 3x more money to the oil company's in stead of keeping it. Seems to me the oil company's probably paid the EPA to do all this emission stuff to so they can make more money. Don't get me wrong, I believe pollution is bad, but honestly I have been doing a lot of research on "climate change" and I do not believe it's man made...
If interested watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1xMuE9brkc
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Bandmill Bandit on August 26, 2016, 08:53:12 AM
The universe we live in is a NET ZERO SYSTEM. NO one is EVER gona change that!
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: danbuendgen on August 26, 2016, 04:00:16 PM
Quote from: Bandmill Bandit on August 26, 2016, 08:53:12 AM
The universe we live in is a NET ZERO SYSTEM. NO one is EVER gona change that!

What do you mean by NET ZERO?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Puffergas on September 05, 2016, 10:22:41 PM
No finer a view than from the cockpit of Timberjack One.

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: g_man on September 06, 2016, 07:42:20 AM
That is a good view. You have nice trees - I have nice rocks  :D
Maybe we need a view from the cockpit thread.



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gg
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Bandmill Bandit on September 06, 2016, 09:05:18 AM
Quote from: danbuendgen on August 26, 2016, 04:00:16 PM
Quote from: Bandmill Bandit on August 26, 2016, 08:53:12 AM
The universe we live in is a NET ZERO SYSTEM. NO one is EVER gona change that!

What do you mean by NET ZERO?

in the grand sceme/system(s) of the universe, ALL inputs are equal to ALL universal outputs. It is a zero sum game. NO exceptions. No environmental policy is, by any well meaning bone head, that is to dense too understand that fact, is EVER going to change it.

Only humans are capable of believing that they are, at best,  greater than this universal fact and worst equal to it, not realizing that they are indeed only a minuscule part of it. The rest of the creatures and living things know this within their being.

It is tantamount to a creature pushing the wet rope of life and pulling the aluminum chain of death at the same  time. The end result is ultimately death to the human in the middle at about the same time he realizes that the NET result of the action he is attempting to establish is about to balance out at a ZERO.       
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: coxy on September 06, 2016, 06:28:50 PM
Quote from: g_man on September 06, 2016, 07:42:20 AM
That is a good view. You have nice trees - I have nice rocks  :D
Maybe we need a view from the cockpit thread.



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gg
if you could get them rocks to NY I know a guy that will buy them for trout habitat for the rivers they look like the right size  :) :)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Puffergas on September 06, 2016, 09:25:55 PM
Quote from: g_man on September 06, 2016, 07:42:20 AM
That is a good view. You have nice trees - I have nice rocks  :D
Maybe we need a view from the cockpit thread.
gg

G_man, I like that tread idea and I could use a lot of those nice rocks. We have some but nothing like that. How about a rock thread. ðÃ...¸ËÅ"ââ,¬Â°
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Puffergas on September 06, 2016, 09:28:59 PM
Hmmmm, my smiley faces don't work any more. 😥
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on September 07, 2016, 05:47:10 AM
A rock thread??



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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: dustintheblood on September 07, 2016, 06:43:03 AM
Ha ha ha !!!!

That looks like our back pasture last year about two hours after my wife warned me not to wreck it!! 

"You better fill the holes afterwards!" she said

"But I'm sick of sharpening the mower" I said

"Fill them" she said

"Yes dear" I said




There's still holes
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: coxy on September 07, 2016, 07:05:54 AM
Quote from: Puffergas on September 06, 2016, 09:25:55 PM
Quote from: g_man on September 06, 2016, 07:42:20 AM
That is a good view. You have nice trees - I have nice rocks  :D
Maybe we need a view from the cockpit thread.
gg

G_man, I like that tread idea and I could use a lot of those nice rocks. We have some but nothing like that. How about a rock thread. ðÃ...¸ËÅ"ââ,¬Â°
they hacked your smiley faces  :D :) ;D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ken on September 07, 2016, 08:03:22 PM
It's not always fun and games.  This was the first thing project last Monday.  Operator backed up on the large hemlock stump while swinging the boom to the side.  First time I've had to deal with that project.  Looks much worse than it was.

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on September 07, 2016, 08:49:40 PM
I've came close to that a few times, Ken. Hasn't happened yet, but I know any day it could be me- I have seen daylight under the bogies more than once :o
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: chevytaHOE5674 on September 07, 2016, 09:19:32 PM
Last winter I got a phone call to come help with the same situation. My boss/forwarder operator was trying to swing and drive and did the same thing.
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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on September 07, 2016, 11:54:55 PM
It looks like both machines were empty?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: chevytaHOE5674 on September 08, 2016, 05:22:23 AM
Ours was. That Caribou we had was very tippy and swinging and driving empty was a big no-no.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: coxy on September 08, 2016, 06:55:32 AM
you guys have all the fun  :)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on September 10, 2016, 08:56:56 PM
One of the nice things about the BuffaloKing I run is the stability- it is incredibly stable, especially with the tracks on. I've lifted the back a few times when empty, but that was with the extensions all the way out, just not paying attention. The problem is, the natural reaction when the back starts tipping is to reverse what you are doing (reaching out). Don't do that, just reach out and touch the ground, if need be, and it will set back down. Guys get scared and try to draw the crane back in, the back tips far enough that you lose your crane swing, causing the crane to swing to gravity, and over it goes. I'm afraid when I go over, it will be with a load on, on a side hill, from a high stump, and it's going to hurt :o
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 1270d on September 10, 2016, 09:47:29 PM
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So this happened a couple weeks ago.  No one was injured but it was quite a project to put back on its feet. 
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 1270d on September 10, 2016, 09:52:53 PM
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We had to hire a couple of hoes to help.   They had to tack about 3.5 miles back to our location.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 1270d on September 10, 2016, 09:57:29 PM
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The two hoes couldn't quite get it on their own and a push with tje forwarder was needed to put it over the rest of the way.   Another hour or so carefully working the oil out of the top side of the engine and it was running again.   One more day was spent repairing bent metal and replacing an electrical panel and she's back in business.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on September 10, 2016, 11:12:09 PM
Ughh! That's just they way it goes in hills though, glad no one was hurt, especially while getting it back upright. Cables and chains make me really nervous. What does the Timber Pro weigh?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 1270d on September 11, 2016, 04:39:16 PM
Weighs about 68k.   One cable gave out on us but he was able to slack it before it snapped all the way
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: coxy on September 12, 2016, 07:00:52 AM
glade no one was hurt   but wouldn't it be easer  next time to crawl under it and look for leaks than on its side  ;) :D must have been a different ride 
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on September 12, 2016, 07:52:26 PM
Doesn't make the boss happy. ;)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: chevytaHOE5674 on September 20, 2016, 10:47:46 PM
Got a "new to us" forwarder last week and already it fell over. ha
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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: WDH on September 21, 2016, 07:31:52 AM
I hate it when that happens....
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on September 21, 2016, 11:33:25 AM
Did the boss do it again? That makes it easier :D What's the specefics on the "new to you" forwarder?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: chevytaHOE5674 on September 21, 2016, 02:29:34 PM
Yeah the boss did it again. Was fully loaded and trying to reposition to grab one last pile of wood on a steep hillside, backed up the last foot to the wood and up onto a stump on the high side and over she went.

The "new" machine is an 03 Buffalo, with like 17k hours on it. Just through the shop with all kinds of work done including all new paint/body panels/windows. They always say "the first scratch and dent are the hardest", well he put the 1st and 20th on at the same time. 
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on September 21, 2016, 04:35:34 PM
Makes for a change in the work day. Always better when the boss does it. I've seen some very irate bosses and equipment owners in these situations. ;)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: chevytaHOE5674 on September 21, 2016, 09:28:16 PM
My contingency plan if I ever flop the machine is to just get in the truck and go, send a text message from the road saying what happened and don't worry about sending my last weeks paycheck. hahaha :D :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Frickman on September 22, 2016, 03:32:03 PM
I put a forwarder on its lid one time. I got on a side hill with a full load and over it went. I just shut it off and walked out of the woods. Made it home for lunch. My buddy brought his skidder over and between his Franklin and my John Deere we got it back on its feet. I let the oil settle for three days before I started it again. I only lost one quart of motor oil and one gallon of hydraulic oil. That wasn't bad. It may have been a quart low in the engine anyway.

I have never put a skidder on its roof, or even its side.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: lopet on September 22, 2016, 08:36:50 PM
Quote from: chevytaHOE5674 on September 21, 2016, 02:29:34 PM
Yeah the boss did it again. Was fully loaded and trying to reposition to grab one last pile of wood on a steep hillside, backed up the last foot to the wood and up onto a stump on the high side and over she went.

The "new" machine is an 03 Buffalo, with like 17k hours on it. Just through the shop with all kinds of work done including all new paint/body panels/windows. They always say "the first scratch and dent are the hardest", well he put the 1st and 20th on at the same time.


I can just imagine how that makes YOU feel :)    ......It wasn't me !!!......   
Gives you a lot more wiggle room for future negotiations. ;)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: coxy on September 22, 2016, 08:42:45 PM
I know my first time it left a brown spot where it should not have been :-X :D :) ;D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: g_man on September 25, 2016, 07:25:15 PM
Just a picture I took yesterday morning. Plan to start cutting some fir and pulling it up here tomorrow morning.



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gg
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 1270d on October 03, 2016, 09:17:08 PM
 

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Fall colors are starting to show here in the central UP.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on October 04, 2016, 01:04:13 PM
The fall colors make for nice photos.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: lynde37avery on November 16, 2016, 10:31:32 PM
my hydro ax I just got.



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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Logger RK on November 17, 2016, 07:22:23 AM
Looks like a nice machine. 511 Hyro Ax with a 20 inch shear head? I have a 311 with a 16 inch HS Ax Head. Would like to get the bigger machine eventually.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: WDH on November 17, 2016, 07:44:31 AM
I had a 10 acre loblolly pine plantation, 30 years of age, clearcut because of root rot and bark beetle mortality.  Harvest was done by Hill Logging, one of the very best that I have ever dealt with.  This stand yielded 36 semi loads on the 10 acres.  This crew had a tigercat fellerbuncher, one tigercat skidder, a John Deere processor, and a tigercat loader.  Took them 2 1/2 days.  They averaged 14 loads per day.  Average diameter of the logs was about 15". 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWj3rbcdPEE
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: ppine on November 17, 2016, 10:32:57 AM
There are some great machines out there now, but most are limited to 30 % slopes or a little more.

In the Big Mountains it is still pretty much chainsaws and cable shows.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: newoodguy78 on November 26, 2016, 01:44:36 AM
Quote from: 1270d on September 10, 2016, 09:57:29 PM
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The two hoes couldn't quite get it on their own and a push with tje forwarder was needed to put it over the rest of the way.   Another hour or so carefully working the oil out of the top side of the engine and it was running again.   One more day was spent repairing bent metal and replacing an electrical panel and she's back in business.

1270d,

When you worked the oil out of the top end did you pull the injectors to do so? The reason I ask is I put an ASV 60 directly on its roof today. I was able to get it back sunny side up after about 6 hours but I'm concerned that oil got into the cylinders. Any tips are appreciated.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 1270d on November 26, 2016, 08:29:23 AM
Quote from: newoodguy78 on November 26, 2016, 01:44:36 AM
Quote from: 1270d on September 10, 2016, 09:57:29 PM
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The two hoes couldn't quite get it on their own and a push with tje forwarder was needed to put it over the rest of the way.   Another hour or so carefully working the oil out of the top side of the engine and it was running again.   One more day was spent repairing bent metal and replacing an electrical panel and she's back in business.

1270d,

When you worked the oil out of the top end did you pull the injectors to do so? The reason I ask is I put an ASV 60 directly on its roof today. I was able to get it back sunny side up after about 6 hours but I'm concerned that oil got into the cylinders. Any tips are appreciated.

No we didn't.    Decided to risk it.   Just bump the starter, and I mean just touch it, until you have made a couple revolutions on the engine.  As soon as it would come up against the oil in the cylinder(s) we would stop and let it sit for a half hour or so.  Then bump the key again.   

If your engine is not too worn it should be pretty dry after six hours. 

Once it would turn over freely we had a piece of wood ready to block the intake in case of runaway.   

If your injectors are easy to access I would pull them.   Ours were not, buried pretty good on the back side of the engine under plenty of other stuff..

Don't get greedy or you could crack a piston, or bend a rod.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on November 26, 2016, 10:03:49 AM
Or shoot a rod right out the side of the block, I've seen that.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: newoodguy78 on November 26, 2016, 10:44:20 AM
Thanks for the advice. The machine only has 1400 hours on it, so it's tight. I'm gonna tackle into pulling either the injectors or glow plugs. I don't dare risk anything. I checked the oil this morning and it's only down a bit., but don't want to assume anything. It's amazing how little physical damage it did. I must have pulled the lever to raise the loader as I was performing the back flip and they took the brunt of the impact. It was one of those rides that was a split second long but left way too long to think of the possible outcome.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 1270d on November 26, 2016, 06:21:49 PM
Our engine had about 500 hrs on it at that point.   Turn it over by hand to be safe.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: chevytaHOE5674 on November 26, 2016, 07:46:46 PM
When we flipped our forwarder upright we let it sit overnight then rolled the motor over by hand a few times to make sure it wasn't locked up. Hit the key and away she went.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ken on November 26, 2016, 08:01:02 PM
Good luck Newoodguy78 with the restart. 

It was moving day for me.  We had to move earlier this week to cut out a roadway for a winter cut we have to do.  Moved back to the ongoing job today.  Roads were very slippery this morning.  Float driver had to be very cautious.

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: newoodguy78 on November 26, 2016, 10:21:39 PM
Well I got it started with no issues. I pulled the glow plugs,spun it over by hand Then cranked it over with the starter. Once I got the glow plugs back in and changed the oil it fired right up smoked for a second or two and cleared right up. The only thing I found that didn't work was the light on the back of the cab. The lack of damage is absolutely amazing, it went directly over backwards and onto its roof. It didn't even scratch any paint. 8) 8) 8)

Thanks again for any and all advice and good luck that was sent. It's always nice to get advice from people who have the t-shirt so to speak.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on January 10, 2017, 01:19:12 PM
Glad that you got going again without any further issues from the incident.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: TreesLogan on April 23, 2017, 12:17:06 AM
Very glad there was no damage must have had a guardian angel on that one.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on April 30, 2017, 11:07:16 PM
Prentice 210D Slasher starts a new job cutting products in a hardwood thinning; 4/17.


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: nativewolf on May 01, 2017, 08:16:06 AM
Ron that is a very uniform looking pile of logs there.  My clearcut is going to average a greater DBH but they wont be nearly as uniform, all over in terms of size of logs.  Yours looks...almost perfect.  Is that all one species?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 01, 2017, 06:00:42 PM
Yes, it's mostly all beech with a few hard maple. 
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 1270d on May 01, 2017, 10:43:05 PM
Not much slashing happening  anymore it seems like.   Are there many guys running tree length down that way Ron?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on May 01, 2017, 11:52:45 PM
Plenty of slashing going on up in this country still. We have 2, plus a few contract cutters sith conventional crews. That's just our outfit, I don't know what the breakdown is percentage-wise, but I'd guess 60-75% of MN timber is still cut tree length and slashed. We're kinda the opposite, probably 80% of our volume is CTL.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: chevytaHOE5674 on May 02, 2017, 12:01:03 AM
Still know quite a few buncher/slasher crews over this way.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on May 02, 2017, 03:15:25 AM
It pays if you have some nice but logs and good price . Local mills pay not much more than pulp price for hardwood logs ($230/mbf). Our better prices for hardwood were in the Maine market with the veneer.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 04, 2017, 11:23:23 AM
No, not as much tree length skidding and slasher work here like there use to be especially if grade logs are involved. Most is CTL and landowners prefer harvesters and rubber tired forwarding over tree length logging.

This job happened to be in a subdivision development with lot site clearings with mostly low grade sawlogs and pulpwood being removed so a slasher is being used.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: sawguy21 on May 06, 2017, 11:08:44 PM
I attended the Interior Logging Association show in Vernon, BC this afternoon, the equipment display was impressive to say the least. 


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Some of the equipment was huge like this feller/buncher.


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This is not a good picture of a huge machine that at first I couldn't identify, it is a portable chipper.


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One of the biggest grapple skidders I have ever seen.


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This is a neat machine, a cab forward grapple forwarder. With the cab up the drive motors and hoses are readily accessible.




Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: mike_belben on May 07, 2017, 01:14:56 AM
Beautiful iron. Biggest thing about any of them is the payment!
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: sawguy21 on May 07, 2017, 12:49:08 PM
They need to move a lot of wood to make these pay for themselves. The fellow I was with is a trucker with a lot of low bed experience, he didn't want to think about moving some of these pieces into the bush. ;D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Puffergas on May 07, 2017, 12:56:12 PM
Looks like banker's bait.  😀
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: coxy on May 07, 2017, 02:41:21 PM
I new a guy years back that got a new jd540 and ran it a year and a half and never made a payment on it never worked around his home town always 1-2 hours away I think the only reason he got snagged was the truck broke down while he was moving it at night and the cops came along  :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 07, 2017, 04:06:39 PM
The "Repo Man" is also known to work at night. ;)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 10, 2017, 12:30:50 PM
Some big timber tracts are regularly needed to support their ownership. ;)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: JLeBouton on May 26, 2017, 05:18:25 PM
https://youtu.be/uKgsLaGyPgA (https://youtu.be/uKgsLaGyPgA)

Video taken this week of a JP Skidmore CF-22 cutting in Lower Michigan.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: snowstorm on May 27, 2017, 06:44:39 AM
some would say pine limbs easy it dosent. the pasture pine you have dosent look much different than what we have here
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on May 28, 2017, 09:37:18 PM
Good video of the Skidmore.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on June 22, 2017, 10:09:45 PM
 I got a new office today😊

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2017 fresh off the boat Ponsse Buffalo King. Actually, we've had it for almost two weeks but just finally got it out in the woods today. Between some service on my prior machine and setting up the computer etc. on the new one, I only got about 40 cords out with it today. I'm loving it, here's to a hundred cords tomorrow!😁

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Working view-

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Driving view, yes that is an oven on the right of the console, in case I want to make cookies or something😂

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Finally, two of Ponsse's technicians from the local Grand Rapids, MN shop. We had to replace the rotator on my old machine, I just took this picture for the scale of these SG420 grapples we've started running. I talked the boss into trying one this winter, I liked it a bunch so we got the same one on the new machine. They are quite large, as you can see😊


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: lopet on June 22, 2017, 10:40:22 PM
Quote from: barbender on June 22, 2017, 10:09:45 PM
I got a new office today😊

Again ?  :o   And with a oven, I am so jealous  8)

Now you better make your boss some money !
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 1270d on June 22, 2017, 10:53:54 PM
Ahhh, that new Ponsse smell.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Gary_C on June 22, 2017, 11:17:58 PM
Nice new wheels! I suppose you have an assistant to run the oven, coffee machine and computer?  Did it come with a new hat too or did the boss keep the hat?  :D

If you are going to be picking up 100 cords tomorrow, I guess you will have to miss the big show and dinner at Crandon tomorrow. You got a better deal than a dinner anyway. Dinners don't last as long as that new machine will.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on June 22, 2017, 11:49:54 PM
Nope, Gary, I won't be making it to Crandon. I can probably bring one of my kids to tend to the oven, etc. and I got 2 hats- I was wearing a John Deere hat today, the Ponsse guys made me forfeit it for an extra Ponsse hat😁
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Gary_C on June 23, 2017, 05:49:48 PM
You are going to be tired tonight if you do pick up 100 cords of that peckerwood like I see in the bunk in one picture. Looks a little like Birch but not sure.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on June 23, 2017, 11:29:37 PM
100 cords a day of birch would be miserable, but this sale is 85% aspen. I ended up having to go to town for 3 1/2 hours, so only 70 cords today. I'm really loving this new machine. It's an improvement in every area, not a night and day difference but across the board. A little smoother, a little more powerful, a little faster hydraulics, a little quieter, and on and on I could go.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: newoodguy78 on June 23, 2017, 11:36:41 PM
That's an impressive piece of iron for sure. Glad that you like it.
Is that really an oven? Or did you just get one over on me? :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on June 23, 2017, 11:49:56 PM
Well, I haven't tried it out yet, but yes. It has a switch on it to either heat or cool, I'll try to give a review in the future😊
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 1270d on June 24, 2017, 08:25:03 AM
The grey box won't cook anything barbender.   It will keep cold stuff cold or warm stuff warm though.   I took mine out after not too long.   There is an actual oven option though.   It is a lot smaller, little black box.   
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on June 24, 2017, 11:47:38 AM
It has the little black box, too ;) My Grandad cut pulp with horses, he said 3 cords was a good day for one man. It's incredible to me how hard people had it not that long ago (or right now, in other areas of the world) and how spoiled I am, spending my days in luxury.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: coxy on June 24, 2017, 01:42:19 PM
good luck with it     do you feel any older  ;D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on June 24, 2017, 06:59:48 PM
Yes ;D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: paul case on June 24, 2017, 10:51:49 PM
Well happy b day barbender!


PC
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on June 25, 2017, 01:27:08 AM
Thanks, Paul!
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on June 25, 2017, 09:45:22 PM
You've got to like that. ;)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ken on July 13, 2017, 08:09:54 PM
So you want to be a logger.  It will be fun they said. 
Haven't seen this thread in a couple weeks so thought I would add a couple pictures from today.  Of course the big d-link hook on the harvester was buried in the mud so had to dig it out before we hook the forwarder onto it.  Actually came out pretty easy after we jammed a bunch of studwood under the tracks. 


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on July 13, 2017, 09:39:20 PM
I have a wet hole like that on my land.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: coxy on July 13, 2017, 10:08:37 PM
after all this rain ill have a 200a mud hole  ;D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on July 14, 2017, 01:23:09 AM
Ugh. Thumbs down👎
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: g_man on July 14, 2017, 07:33:56 AM
Quote from: coxy on July 13, 2017, 10:08:37 PM
after all this rain ill have a 200a mud hole  ;D

EXACTLY !!!!

gg
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: GRANITEstateMP on July 14, 2017, 08:57:29 AM
Ken, some people think playing in the mud is fun! ;D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: coxy on July 14, 2017, 02:34:55 PM
not me it takes to long to fix the mess  ;D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: mike_belben on July 14, 2017, 10:47:44 PM
Man.. That sinkhole looks like a whole dang case of the mondays.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: lopet on July 14, 2017, 10:51:10 PM
Did the boss do it or the operator ?  ;D
Anyways, glad you got her out without busting anything.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ken on July 16, 2017, 08:43:33 AM
Quote from: lopet on July 14, 2017, 10:51:10 PM
Did the boss do it or the operator ?  ;D
Anyways, glad you got her out without busting anything.

I actually had started the strip and although it was soft in there I thought it was doable.  When my operator walked the machine back in he didn't even get to where I finished and sunk.   He has the honour of getting a harvester of mine stuck for the first time.  Just another day
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: lopet on July 16, 2017, 11:13:51 AM
Know what you're saying, sometimes a ground only takes one passing but no second one. How do I know that  ;D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: wannaergo on July 28, 2017, 11:14:07 AM
We just got a new forwarder. Been waiting about 6 months, and the deal finally went through. We didn't tell our operator it was coming until the Lowboy pulled onto the job. He was quite pleased. It's a rottne F15 and seems to be a pretty nice rig so far.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/33326/IMG_2237.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1501254371)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on July 28, 2017, 11:32:21 AM
A great surprise for the operator .  ;) Where in the the U.P. will it be working?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: GRANITEstateMP on July 28, 2017, 11:53:58 AM
wannaergo,

  You probably just made that guys weekend!
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: wannaergo on July 28, 2017, 01:02:41 PM
Quote from: Ron Scott on July 28, 2017, 11:32:21 AM
A great surprise for the operator .  ;) What are of the U.P. will it be working in?

We are usually right around the central to western UP. Around the michigamme area is where most of our work is.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: grouch on August 02, 2017, 05:57:57 AM
I'm only up to page 82 in this thread (thanks Ron Scott for starting this!) so apologies if this has been posted in here before:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0K5XwmGmuw

Allison Logging - Coastal Logging in the early 20th Century

If anybody relied on me to carry an axe and climb up to top a tree at over 120 ft, they'd still be living in a rock house or a hole in the ground.

(Back to reading).

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: sawguy21 on August 02, 2017, 06:17:40 PM
They wouldn't find me up there either.  ;D Thanks for that, a great video. It was a very hard and dangerous way to make a living, lots of ways to get hurt or killed. Did you notice the guy chopping fuel for the yarder? I sure wouldn't argue with him after a few beers.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Bandmill Bandit on August 02, 2017, 08:28:53 PM
Hey Sawguy
The wisdom and treachery that comes with grey hair is a part of a relationship the goes with the pith and vinegar of youth for the greatest success that is possible. One without the other doesnt even get half the job done.   
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: JLeBouton on August 28, 2017, 05:11:17 PM
FABTEK 133 with new 2-Roller conversion cutting in Cedar River, MI.


https://youtu.be/4S8575jqO00 (https://youtu.be/4S8575jqO00)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Peter Drouin on August 28, 2017, 09:04:55 PM
What market is there for the small "top" wood?
JLeBouton
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: grouch on August 28, 2017, 09:10:16 PM
Nooooo! It's the last page. Need more pictures of equipment I'll otherwise never see, much less operate.

Amazing thread and thanks to all who took time to share photos, videos and descriptions of these operations! The whole range is covered.

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: chevytaHOE5674 on August 28, 2017, 09:17:32 PM
Quote from: Peter Drouin on August 28, 2017, 09:04:55 PM
What market is there for the small "top" wood?
JLeBouton

Hardwood pulp or sometimes firewood.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: sawguy21 on October 27, 2017, 09:33:57 PM
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11763/IMG_0163.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1509153067)
Unloading fir peelers at Canoe Forest Products plywood plant near Salmon Arm BC. Quite something to see this beast lift. The plant is on the edge of Shuswap Lake, logs are also boomed down from the north and east arms then trucked from here to area mills. I would like to have been closer but didn't have the required ppe so took a quick pic then scurried back to the truck.
They have another crane to load the log trucks. Unfortunately somebody wasn't paying attention and towed it out a little too far, it sank and pulled the newly repowered tug down with it. The pilot got out but likely had to look for a new employer. ;D Both were recovered but the tug has yet to return from repair in Vancouver, a smaller one is in service meaning smaller booms. Some loads are now being trucked around the lake, an 11 hour trip on a good day.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Dave Shepard on October 28, 2017, 11:29:57 AM
Is that a derrick? The yellow boom on the left is fixed, aband d the one on the right pivots around it?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: sawguy21 on October 28, 2017, 11:44:42 AM
Yes
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: lopet on October 28, 2017, 07:58:54 PM
Has the price for peelers going up after all those fires ?  I guess I know the answer, but how much ?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: sawguy21 on October 28, 2017, 08:52:51 PM
Last price I saw was over $428US/thousand for softwood. Very profitable but logs are limited due to the fires, BC lost an estimated four year supply.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: lopet on October 28, 2017, 11:07:10 PM
I kinda meant for you locals. Arn't you selling in m3 to the mill ?  So is that more than $ 100 per m3  ?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: sawguy21 on October 29, 2017, 04:57:46 AM
I have no idea what the mills pay for logs
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: JLeBouton on January 12, 2018, 10:21:26 AM
Video shot yesterday near Stevens Point, WI showing a Fabtek 133 with 2-roller conversion. The owners report an increase in production of at least 3 cords per hour over their 4-roller set up. Between eliminating the maintenance associated with the 4-rollers, and the increased production, their only regret is not making the switch sooner.

Fabtek 133 2-Roller
Barko 240 CF-18



https://youtu.be/YC9UCCwx_3M (https://youtu.be/YC9UCCwx_3M)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on January 12, 2018, 01:12:14 PM
Good video of the FT-133 at work in a second thinning. Nice pine stand with good regeneration.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on January 12, 2018, 02:18:16 PM
Nice video
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 1270d on January 12, 2018, 08:44:42 PM
When did Brian get rid of his 1270?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: mike_belben on January 25, 2018, 11:18:04 AM
Some oldies

https://youtu.be/BvV4rh_mm60

https://youtu.be/g7N-QjxuiIM

  Any of you guys ever been in the woods with one of these?

https://youtu.be/sbz-ufmsmSA



Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Pclem on January 25, 2018, 01:29:55 PM
I've seen that video before somewhere with the 350. Hard to believe that little thing'll haul such a load!
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: teakwood on January 25, 2018, 07:11:23 PM
Nice! A bulldozer with a grapple crane, that would be handy for me
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Corley5 on January 25, 2018, 08:26:22 PM
Makes me cringe seeing that loader/dozer combo with absolutely no protection for the operator.  I've seen the main vertical shaft break completely off on those Gafners.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Skeans1 on January 26, 2018, 03:14:50 AM
If I get in trouble for this but it fits https://forestryequipmentsales.com/282/Enviromax/149/Enviromax-Forwarder.html
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: mike_belben on January 26, 2018, 08:09:28 AM
Quote from: Pclem on January 25, 2018, 01:29:55 PM
I've seen that video before somewhere with the 350. Hard to believe that little thing'll haul such a load!

It makes me wonder why ive never been able to find a forestry trailer behind a dozer.   Ive seen quite a few videos over the years of 4wd farm tractors struggling to get half loads up a hill or thru a swampy patch.  Badly sunken in or having to unload the whole trailer, move a few feet then reload several times.  The soil gets wrecked.  Im curious why no one seems to use a crawler on swamp pads for the power unit.  Id think the volume or logs per trip, increased stability and not getting stuck as much would offset the slower speed and have a kinder footprint.  Am i wrong?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: g_man on January 26, 2018, 09:48:56 AM
I stole this picture from a tractor forum. This is a rig a guy over in Down East Maine uses. He has a tractor for the trailer also plus a skidder. He says the Dozer/Trailer combo is the best way to go for him.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/21065/DSCN4595.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1516977688)

gg
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: mike_belben on January 26, 2018, 04:26:52 PM
Nice setup.  Has he ever pulled the trailer with the skidder?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Puffergas on January 26, 2018, 06:09:11 PM
I have a JD RotoBoom. Originally the boom was mounted on the cat (I think). The plan is to mount it on the 3pt hitch of the Steiger and pull the trailer.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/19539/Log_Trailer.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1420249670)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Gearbox on January 26, 2018, 07:19:37 PM
Puffergas that I want to see . I have wanted to put one on my 9600 Ford .
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on January 28, 2018, 07:59:37 PM
The John Deere 350 and Gafner loader were popular units for logging the cedar swamps and jack pine areas of the eastern UP during the early 1960's. Also with no protective canopies.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on January 28, 2018, 08:08:30 PM
g_man,not a bad setup. But I don't have a dozer. BUT I sure could use one. BUT using one would only found more rocks to haul into the bog. Getting a bigger forwarder trailer would enable to haul more rocks too. What a vicious circle.  ;D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: lopet on January 28, 2018, 09:45:44 PM
Quote from: thecfarm on January 28, 2018, 08:08:30 PM
Getting a bigger forwarder trailer would enable to haul more rocks too. What a vicious circle.  ;D

Then you need a bigger tractor and and and.......  :D

Don't you wanna leave any rocks to the next guy ? :)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Skeans1 on January 28, 2018, 09:51:15 PM
Or just a forwarder with the right tracks
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on January 29, 2018, 06:50:49 AM
I really doubt I will run out of rocks.   :(  And if I did, I could call a blasting crew and that would keep me going for a while.  :D Got some biggies sticking out of the ground.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: coxy on January 29, 2018, 07:18:48 AM
Quote from: Corley5 on January 25, 2018, 08:26:22 PM
Makes me cringe seeing that loader/dozer combo with absolutely no protection for the operator.  I've seen the main vertical shaft break completely off on those Gafners.
my dad logged with an old jd 1010 dozer for 20years with no ROPS  then there was about 10 years with out a dozer then got a 350 with ROPS the first week he said I cant believe I never got killed with that 1010 
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: nativewolf on January 29, 2018, 07:41:54 AM
Quote from: mike_belben on January 26, 2018, 08:09:28 AM
Quote from: Pclem on January 25, 2018, 01:29:55 PM
I've seen that video before somewhere with the 350. Hard to believe that little thing'll haul such a load!

It makes me wonder why ive never been able to find a forestry trailer behind a dozer.   Ive seen quite a few videos over the years of 4wd farm tractors struggling to get half loads up a hill or thru a swampy patch.  Badly sunken in or having to unload the whole trailer, move a few feet then reload several times.  The soil gets wrecked.  Im curious why no one seems to use a crawler on swamp pads for the power unit.  Id think the volume or logs per trip, increased stability and not getting stuck as much would offset the slower speed and have a kinder footprint.  Am i wrong?

Or pickup a lamtrac  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YvarzmWp3I or Fecon  or cmi.  Undercarriage on all those are designed for the woods.  Trouble is they are weighted to offset the a heavy front end but I bet you enterprising folks could put a trailer forward and use the hydraulics to drive the crane.  Then disconnect the whole system when you wanted to put the mulching head back on. 
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: mike_belben on January 29, 2018, 08:58:33 AM
Speaking of forestry undercarriages.. How are the best ones set up?  To oscillate somehow?  Any particular machine i can study thats got a great reputation for woods agility?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: coxy on January 29, 2018, 04:29:37 PM
there was one like that around here a guy was using to log part time with but it didn't hold up he made an arch for it it was a neat looking little thing
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Maine logger88 on January 29, 2018, 09:38:40 PM
Never posted a picture of my bell so here it is(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/34559/IMG_0209.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1517279511)
And a pic of moving it and my 225 last week
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/34559/IMG_0210.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1517279701)
I just bought this 240A grapple today needs a little tinkering before I put it in the woods(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/34559/IMG_0206.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1517279820)
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/34559/IMG_0207.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1517279887)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: mike_belben on January 29, 2018, 10:23:55 PM
Nice collection
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Dave Shepard on January 29, 2018, 10:38:37 PM
Is that an Esco grapple? Looks like the one on Myrtle.

Myrtle before rebuilding.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/14240/tj_3.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1194543315)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Maine logger88 on January 29, 2018, 10:56:44 PM
Thanks mike! Dave I believe it is a esco
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on January 30, 2018, 05:57:58 AM
I don't see many of those Bells around here.
I have seen the Orange ones around. Those was around about 30 years ago. Last one I saw was about 10 years back. Grandson had a field day with a logging company and they had one there.
Good luck with the grapple skidder.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Bay Beagle on January 30, 2018, 01:21:37 PM

Gett'n ready ~

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/40896/2018-01-30_11-47-46_177.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1517335919)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Resonator on January 30, 2018, 02:06:56 PM
Good to see an old Prentice getting ready. Those were built not far from me in Prentice, WI. They were sold to CAT forest products in 2007. Got to haul their machines on flatbed a few times.

 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/47685/P1000899.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1517338338)
This was back in spring of 2011, it ended up going to Louisiana as I recall. Unloading it took some work, they had to attach the cab and run the machine to lower the outriggers onto old skidder tires. That lifted the machine enough that I was able to drive my trailer out from underneath it.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: mike_belben on January 30, 2018, 02:12:19 PM
Nice stepdeck.  Are those 17.5?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: coxy on January 30, 2018, 03:36:11 PM
Quote from: Bay Beagle on January 30, 2018, 01:21:37 PM

Gett'n ready ~

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/40896/2018-01-30_11-47-46_177.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1517335919)
a little body puddy and some sand paper and she almost road ready  :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Resonator on January 30, 2018, 03:53:07 PM
Mike, it was the company's step deck, a Chaparral. And if you mean wheels, I don't remember. Looking online their listed as 22.5's.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: mike_belben on January 30, 2018, 05:49:46 PM
Man they look tiny.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: sawguy21 on January 30, 2018, 10:01:07 PM
Quote from: coxy on January 30, 2018, 03:36:11 PM
Quote from: Bay Beagle on January 30, 2018, 01:21:37 PM

Gett'n ready ~

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/40896/2018-01-30_11-47-46_177.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1517335919)
a little body puddy and some sand paper and she almost road ready  :D
Just don't try to get past the scales. Man that is ugly. :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Skeans1 on January 31, 2018, 12:02:14 AM
Quote from: Dave Shepard on January 29, 2018, 10:38:37 PM
Is that an Esco grapple? Looks like the one on Myrtle.

Myrtle before rebuilding.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/14240/tj_3.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1194543315)
Young also built grapples like that, also a heads up for you guys with Esco grapples they no longer do forestry grapples.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Grandpa on January 31, 2018, 09:41:57 AM
Quote from: mike_belben on January 30, 2018, 02:12:19 PM
Nice stepdeck.  Are those 17.5?
I don't remember the size but they are the small ones. That is a low pro stepdeck with a deck height of 34 to 36".

Resonator, I have no idea who you are but I can say without a doubt that I have been hooked to that same trailer. I quit in 2013 and went back in the woods.

If my memory is correct a 519 is a yellow 210.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: starmac on January 31, 2018, 03:54:27 PM
There is three different sizes of 17.5 tires, maybe even 4. I have the small ones on a stepdeck, bad mistake and I doubt I would ever buy another stepdeck with 17.5 tires at all, but might would try the larger ones.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Resonator on January 31, 2018, 06:23:44 PM
Hey Grandpa, very good chance we were at the same place, I'll send you a PM.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: logman81 on February 10, 2018, 08:03:13 AM

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/23822/20161128_125549.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1480363034)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: logman81 on February 10, 2018, 08:04:28 AM

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/23822/20161128_101837.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1480362881)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Dave Shepard on February 10, 2018, 11:15:05 AM
That's a nice stick! What is that skidder?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: logman81 on February 10, 2018, 04:16:59 PM
There was some really nice wood on that job. The skidder was a gafner mini skidder a little bigger than a Garrett 10. Sold it and just got a old c4b long frame.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: JLeBouton on February 27, 2018, 03:12:39 PM
Franks Logging out of Peshtigo WI with their TimberPro TN725C with JP Skidmore CF-22 in oak.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/16830/IMG_20180221_153206.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1519762266)
 
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Skeans1 on February 27, 2018, 05:47:07 PM
How many of the Skidmore heads have the bottom knife/arm been put on?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: JLeBouton on February 28, 2018, 09:59:27 AM
Quote from: Skeans1 on February 27, 2018, 05:47:07 PM
How many of the Skidmore heads have the bottom knife/arm been put on?
Between the CF-22s and modified CF-18s, probably 5 or 6 with lower thumb.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: teakwood on February 28, 2018, 06:31:06 PM
The firm Haas from germany takes new John Deere forestry machines and make them even better, the have some cool videos!

HAAS Traction aid cable winch JD1110E - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEcXjUvvMCA)

HAAS Traction aid rope winch JD Harvester (Front & Rear) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0j5GoN_eMc)

A very good video but sadly in german: Haas makes every wish and tough you have a reality. This guy wanted the traction winch and bogie lifts in the front and back individually usable as he explains/shows at 4.02min  
The machines come with remote winching and remote driving 
Kombiforwarder JD 1110E HAAS - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbeBDbpZLS0)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: lopet on February 28, 2018, 07:12:24 PM
The dancing forwarder. :D :D
Pretty impressive how they can climb those hills.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Corley5 on February 28, 2018, 08:28:05 PM
Does anything have to done to engine and hydraulic oil intakes to be sure the systems aren't starved of oil operating in these extemes ???
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Skeans1 on February 28, 2018, 10:02:29 PM
There's a set of Alpine winches on some Ponsse's out here and so far they haven't had an issue. The videos really don't do justice vs seeing the guys drop a Tigercat 870 or 855 off 90% or steeper ground. If you guys want to see the original steep ground machine look up a Washington/Allied feller buncher far as I know of all the ones built there's only one left out at camp 18.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Riwaka on March 01, 2018, 12:08:52 AM
Climb Max - this was filmed a while back.
Be interesting to see the cost figures of a tracked feller buncher/ felling head machine operating with a traction winch excavator/ bulldozer against the cost of just operating the Climbmax with winch, blade , dry sump engine etc
Would also like to see a Climbmax operating with a tiger cat or south star felling head or duxson felling head. http://www.duxson.co.nz/fellinghead
Safer Tree Harvesting with ClimbMAX - YouTube (https://youtu.be/omp_BV30B_A)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Skeans1 on March 01, 2018, 12:16:09 AM
Not sure there's a climbmax not too far from me and lots of the Tractionline & Summit & a Falcon out here. One thing I can see with the extra machine is you have a good anchor point vs trying to anchor to an old growth stump which I wouldn't trust with my life, also some places are changing the slope rules which will require a leveler to tether.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: teakwood on March 01, 2018, 06:28:53 AM
No tilt base on the climbmax(https://forestryforum.com/board/Smileys/default/shocked.gif), i can just imagine how tired that is for the operator and machine.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Skeans1 on March 01, 2018, 08:02:07 AM
It doesn't make that much of a difference with a leveler or not the slopes are steeper then what they are designed to level out for. Most of these leveling machines are made to walk up a steep slope so once you're leveled out and spin on the hill you quit going up, heading down they don't tilt as far back especially with the road tiller or single bar grousers the guys add on 10" tall.
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/47446/0c293254030b2f36923994cb49deee1b.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1519909244)
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/47446/1347369685_7656ef37c0.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1519909005)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: mike_belben on March 01, 2018, 10:15:17 AM
Good Lord thats a lotta tilt.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: teakwood on March 01, 2018, 05:15:00 PM
I think i wouldn't have the balls/stupidity to be in such a slope (https://forestryforum.com/board/Smileys/default/shocked.gif)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: coxy on March 01, 2018, 05:20:18 PM
neat toys but way to many moving parts for this poor logger to fix  :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: dustintheblood on March 02, 2018, 01:47:08 AM
Quote from: teakwood on February 28, 2018, 06:31:06 PM
The firm Haas from germany takes new John Deere forestry machines and make them even better, the have some cool videos!

HAAS Traction aid cable winch JD1110E - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEcXjUvvMCA)

HAAS Traction aid rope winch JD Harvester (Front & Rear) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0j5GoN_eMc)

A very good video but sadly in german: Haas makes every wish and tough you have a reality. This guy wanted the traction winch and bogie lifts in the front and back individually usable as he explains/shows at 4.02min  
The machines come with remote winching and remote driving
Kombiforwarder JD 1110E HAAS - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbeBDbpZLS0)
I have only two thoughts on those....
1)  Nope
2)  No way
I'm man enough to admit there's better men than me   :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: GRANITEstateMP on March 02, 2018, 11:19:44 AM
Me thinks those trees can stay, I'll cut somewhere else  :o
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: coxy on March 02, 2018, 11:46:58 AM
looks like the hills we have here except for we have ledge rock not to bad i just don't trust cable that much if it broke what a ride he would have  :D :D 8)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on April 02, 2018, 06:14:46 PM
The Ponsse Gazelle is the forwarder of choice for this operator doing a Manistee National Forest red pine thinning, March 2018.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/IMG_1554.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1522706950) (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/IMG_1552.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1522706908)

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/IMG_1551.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1522706725)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Firewoodjoe on April 02, 2018, 07:12:43 PM
Ron I seen that. It looks like there clearing all the pine out of the hardwood. Looked like a small strip on the south side of 55.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: coxy on April 02, 2018, 07:15:09 PM
ok wanted to ask this before but keep forgetting   after the thinning like in the second pic  the remaining trees are/look far apart what keeps them from blowing over wouldn't it be better to just clear cut it  or do guys go back if they blow over and clean them up  one other thing how many knots are in your bud whorl we have 5 and they wont buy them for poles i think only 3 is aloud but could be wrong     
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on April 02, 2018, 09:24:58 PM
I'd like to try one of those smaller forwarders, all I've gotten to run are Buffalo and BuffaloKing models.
  Coxy, that pine looks excessively thinned, we don't take them down that far for the reason you stated.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: chevytaHOE5674 on April 02, 2018, 09:34:53 PM
Barbender once your used to the Buffalo its painful to go back to the little machines. The small crane won't lift what you want it to, the bunk fills in a hurry, the small tires ride rougher and you get hung up easier, and the little 4cyl motor is wound like a cheap watch getting a full load moving uphill. Hahaha 
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Skeans1 on April 02, 2018, 09:44:18 PM
Looks like a thin we did for one of the local governments 100 fir an acre and if there was an oak clear out a 50' to 75' circle around them this included the fun of making snags with down wood piles.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on April 02, 2018, 11:14:21 PM
Chevy, we used to have an Elk model. That machine was almost identical in size to a Buffalo, but with a 4 cylinder engine. I never ran it, but by all accounts it was pathetic. Not only did the engine lack power, the drive system was really weak. It could not climb hills at all, I guess. This new BuffaloKing really impresses me with it's hill climbing ability, I can climb hills that the processors spin out on😊 Anyhow, I just wanted to try one of those dinky machines for the fun of it, I'm not giving back the big machine😁
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on April 04, 2018, 12:28:21 PM
Firewoodjoe,

Yes, the job is just east of the Caberfae Ski Area road and south of H-55. The heavy thinning is in the small stretch along the highway road right-of-way probably as designated by MDOT and the USFS landscape architect. The timber access road angles into the red pine stand and a block of National Forest timber to the south.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Firewoodjoe on April 04, 2018, 07:50:43 PM
To you guys that think the pine will blow over. Yes it will if not done properly. Most pine is thinned 3 or more times over many years. The root system recoups and it's generally fine. Then they used to cut telephone poles from the remainder final cut but I don't see many poles cut like I used to.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: gaproperty on April 14, 2018, 07:31:43 PM
I am a small scale guy.  I use chain saws, a 47 hp kubota  tractor, logging winch and trailer. I leave about 50 percent of the forest standing and have great luck with keeping wildlife in the area.  Here is video of some crazy pictures I have taken.  

https://youtu.be/a43NQ2dJdBQ (https://youtu.be/a43NQ2dJdBQ)



Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: gaproperty on April 14, 2018, 08:00:16 PM
I used skidders and forwards but I am just doing small scale logging for myself with a kubota tractor and logging winch, logging trailer. It's not to bad if the going is good but man I would love to have one of those smaller track machines.  This is my smaller operations.

https://youtu.be/uhx0dGFBpBM (https://youtu.be/uhx0dGFBpBM)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: pinefeller on April 14, 2018, 08:45:22 PM
so, how bad do you want a small tracked machine.....
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Skeans1 on April 14, 2018, 09:49:28 PM
And how small are you talking? A mini? A 490/120 size machine? 45k lbs weight?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: pinefeller on April 15, 2018, 10:52:05 AM
how about 5k lollollol
Copy of Bombardier SW48 Tracked Skidder - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yV8csqrRl7I)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: quilbilly on April 15, 2018, 12:42:15 PM
Hermann has moved to %100 shovel logging now using madill 3800's
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: lopet on April 15, 2018, 02:19:39 PM
Quote from: pinefeller on April 15, 2018, 10:52:05 AM
how about 5k lollollol
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yV8csqrRl7I)
I can see now how you can flip that thing.
Btw we old timer would like to listen to the sound of a diesel not such terrible music. smiley_thumbsdown smiley_thumbsdown :D :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Skeans1 on April 15, 2018, 05:39:20 PM
Quote from: quilbilly on April 15, 2018, 12:42:15 PM
Hermann has moved to %100 shovel logging now using madill 3800's
Wonder how long till they dig out the old Washington Buncher to hang off a line.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on December 09, 2018, 09:36:25 PM
The mainliner's access with its pup is difficult across the hilly terrain to the timber landing and decking area of the logging job in back so the forwarder operator loads the unhooked pup on the county road side.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/IMG_2288.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1544408671)
 The loaded woodhauler comes out of the logging area to hook up its pup on the county road side for a full load of logs to be taken to a down state sawmill.  
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/IMG_2289.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1544408721)
 
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on December 16, 2018, 09:35:46 PM
 
Aspen clearcut on north side of one of my deer blinds. December 2018(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/IMG_2297.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1545013402)
John Deere 1010 forwarder works on aspen clearcut on east side of my deer blind. December 2018. A large doe was taken here just before the cutting began.
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/IMG_2298.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1545013496)
 
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: g_man on December 17, 2018, 04:53:17 PM
Should be really good hunting when those root sprouts spring up. Looks good !!

gg
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: mike_belben on December 17, 2018, 08:20:13 PM
Agreed.  Now that the acorns and grasses are going,  deer all over my tiny woods eating bud tips and sprouts. 
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Skeans1 on December 21, 2018, 05:12:40 AM
The days of change are here less guys on the ground especially setting chokers, other then the Tigercat machines all the other stuff is built in SW Washington.
https://youtu.be/gVgCaKomkYo (https://youtu.be/gVgCaKomkYo)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: gaproperty on December 21, 2018, 06:34:57 AM
I do some small scale logging with my KUBOTA L4740 tractor, a logging winch, logging trailer and sometimes even my atv. Here is a quick video.  My small scale logging harvest methods. (https://youtu.be/uhx0dGFBpBM)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on December 28, 2018, 05:06:58 PM
 
The 1010 John Deere forwarder operator loads aspen pulpwood and sawlogs from the aspen clearcut and mats the aspen slash to prevent rutting over the wet soil as he works out to the landing and decking area in a nearby corn field.(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/IMG_2300.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1546034183)
 
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/IMG_2307.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1546034230)
 
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: coxy on January 04, 2019, 07:17:34 PM
Ron does that get replanted or does it just come back through nature if nature about how long before it will be cut again    
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on January 06, 2019, 08:55:16 PM
It will all be natural regeneration to mostly aspen and will be harvested in another 60-80 years.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on January 06, 2019, 09:31:07 PM
I cut one aspen tree here and another 100 comes back.  :o
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on January 06, 2019, 09:38:12 PM
Great habitat for deer and ruffed grouse. fudd-smiley
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Resonator on January 06, 2019, 09:54:58 PM
The white bark Poplar (part of the Aspen tree group) in my area will send hundreds of "clone" sprouts up from the roots around the stump, and grow like a weed. You would have to push the tree over, and uproot the stump, to prevent regrowth. I clear cut a small Poplar patch on my land four years ago, and the saplings are already at least 8' - 10' tall. (https://forestryforum.com/board/Smileys/default/shocked.gif)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on January 06, 2019, 09:58:01 PM
On a small scale,10 trees,I cut a bowl into the stumps of the aspen trees. I fill the bowl full of rock salt and water. I keep a bucket of salt by the stumps and carry water as needed. I keep the stump filled up with whatever is needed. I check them weekly. Works on beech too. Deer like the salt too. ;D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: mike_belben on January 06, 2019, 10:10:37 PM
Water the salt with vinegar and youll really kill em. 
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on January 07, 2019, 07:17:28 AM
Never heard of vinegar. Will the deer like it. :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on January 07, 2019, 11:14:16 AM
😂😂😂 There are so many aspen sprouts most areas around here, I don't know how you would kill them off other than round up. Or, like the Forest Service had us do on one timber sale- thin the Aspen so there is room for shade tolerant hardwoods to come up underneath, and let the aspen grow old and die. It won't regen underneath itself because it is very shade intolerant. I'm curious to see how that one turns out. I wonder sometimes if the reason that WI and MI have so many more hardwoods than MN,  is because those states got logged first. Maybe came up and aspen, it got old and died and succesional hardwoods took over. Whereas in MN, once things grew back to aspen, there was a market for it- so we cut it down. Then it grew back to Aspen, and we cut it down. Then it...you see where I'm going with this😁
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Resonator on January 07, 2019, 12:22:57 PM
In Wisconsin the paper industry made Poplar very popular. (https://forestryforum.com/board/Smileys/default/grin.gif)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: nativewolf on January 07, 2019, 07:06:02 PM
Quote from: Resonator on January 06, 2019, 09:54:58 PM
The white bark Poplar (part of the Aspen tree group) in my area will send hundreds of "clone" sprouts up from the roots around the stump, and grow like a weed. You would have to push the tree over, and uproot the stump, to prevent regrowth. I clear cut a small Poplar patch on my land four years ago, and the saplings are already at least 8' - 10' tall. (https://forestryforum.com/board/Smileys/default/shocked.gif)
we had stump sprouts on Yellow Poplar, a magnolia family member, hit 8' in 1 summer after late winter harvest.  Forest mulchers will take both right on out though.  
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on January 08, 2019, 05:12:52 PM
Some landowner's don't like the aspen clearcuts not realizing that that's how its managed productively as an intolerant species and they will then again complain that the regeneration in to thick after the harvest. After a few years they are amazed by their new growth forest. ;) 
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on January 08, 2019, 05:21:55 PM
 
The John Deere 1270 C Harvester works a plantation salvage thinning of wind blown red and white pine in hilly terrain during the seasons first snow. Dunn Timber Salvage Harvest, December 2018.(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/scan0001~9.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1546985685)
 
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on January 12, 2019, 05:33:40 PM
 
The John Deere 1270C Harvester reaches out to process wind blown pine on a hill side with its 11.7m (38 ft.) boom. December 2018 salvage thinning.
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/scan0002~6.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1547332106)
 
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on January 13, 2019, 08:55:49 PM
 
The John Deere Harvester cuts the salvaged pine into 100 inch lengths and piles it for pickup by the forwarder. Wind blown salvage thinning, December 2018.(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/scan0003~3.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1547430757)
 
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on January 14, 2019, 07:11:45 AM
Nice pictures Ron.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on January 17, 2019, 05:15:58 PM
 
Another area of windblown timber from the August 2018 storm is salvaged by a 1270B Timberjack Harvester. American beech is decked awaiting removal. January 2019.(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/IMG_2386.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1547763108)
 
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on January 17, 2019, 06:05:38 PM
Nice beech. All the beech I have that size I can run my arm up into.
I was cutting some about that size and I was cutting my notch. Went to the backside and started cutting.All at once something started to come of of the tree as a liquid.  :o  I shut the saw off,thinking my saw has sprung a leak. ::) I never had that happen. There was a limb that had broke off and that was water in the hollow part of the tree.
All the beech I have have bumps all over it,caused by cankers, beech bark disease.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Resonator on January 17, 2019, 06:58:26 PM
Beech makes excellent firewood.  (https://forestryforum.com/board/Smileys/default/fire.gif)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on January 17, 2019, 07:09:19 PM
Yes it does. That's what I was doing with it. I was on my Father's land,and we hauled it out on a trailer. Had to load it 4 foot. No way some of that beech was going to be loaded on a trailer. I went into the woods with 3-4 iron wedges and a sledge hammer. Sometimes I would have all 3 wedges buried into that wood. I finally did convince him to haul it out in longer lengths.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: WDH on January 18, 2019, 07:45:20 AM
Big beech down here tends to be hollow.  The hardwood cruisers beat it with a cruising stick to listen and hear if it is hollow.  At least the old hardwood cruisers did.  

Not sure if the Millennials beat on beech :).
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: olcowhand on January 18, 2019, 06:58:40 PM
I'm sure not a "Millennial", but I beat on the beeches (all second growth) that are in my wood. Most all of them are hollow, and those Beeches are dangerous to fell......
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on January 19, 2019, 12:25:56 PM
They are also good to leave some as den, snag, cavity, and mast trees for wildlife. 
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: mike_belben on January 19, 2019, 01:36:14 PM
Theres a 400 acre lease a short hike behind me that the neighbors and i all hunt.  Just one hollar past my buddies ridgetop stands is a steep creek cut bank about 30feet tall with bedding above it and a MONSTER beach tree in the bottom that theyve not noticed.  The wall funnels deer into a narrow tract to get down to the tree and i cant wait to set up over there to drag out the bucks my pals drool over. Just to be a turd.   ;D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on January 20, 2019, 07:38:54 PM
 
A Timber Harvester is recommended for safety and efficiency to produce a good product mix in the salvage of wind blown timber. A Timberjack harvester is being used in this January 2019 cleanup after an August 2018 wind storm.(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/IMG_2387~0.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1548030588)
 
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: coxy on January 20, 2019, 08:25:00 PM
doesn't look like you got much snow 
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on January 20, 2019, 08:30:44 PM
No, not much snow at all yet this winter. Had about 6 inches at the most, but rains in between has decreased that. Cold weather now. Was below zero all day today and 8 below now. Snowmobilers and cross country skiers are hurting.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: coxy on January 20, 2019, 08:57:54 PM
we got about 10in out of the storm last night thats the most we have had got some back in November but that got rained away to late in the year for this crap im ready for spring 
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: mike_belben on January 20, 2019, 09:54:36 PM
Weve had like 1/4" of snow and thats plenty for me.  Other than tracking deer it serves me no purpose.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on January 20, 2019, 10:44:31 PM
 
Picture taken just last Friday when we had our 6 inches of snow so far. More unsightly blow down of plantation red pine on National Forest land along the heavily traveled road to the Caberfae Ski Area. There is still a lot of patch work timber salvage work to be done on private and public lands in the area.(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/IMG_2400.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1548041506)
 
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/IMG_2402.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1548041595)
 
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Firewoodjoe on January 21, 2019, 07:41:18 AM
Ron isn't that a sighn the row pine is being thinned to much to early. I see a lot of thin pin that takes it hard in bad weather in our area. Mid/northern mi like u. It's to bad a lot of dollars lost due to shake.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on January 21, 2019, 08:49:00 AM
Some storms, it doesn't matter. We had a big storm in 2012, it didn't matter how well stocked a site was- it all got flattened.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: nativewolf on January 21, 2019, 09:32:29 AM
Quote from: Firewoodjoe on January 21, 2019, 07:41:18 AM
Ron isn't that a sighn the row pine is being thinned to much to early. I see a lot of thin pin that takes it hard in bad weather in our area. Mid/northern mi like u. It's to bad a lot of dollars lost due to shake.
I believe it is now known that shake is really bacterial in nature.  I am curious about the pine thinning strategy, in the south they would have been thinned a long time ago.  Was it just planted too densely to begin with?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Clark on January 21, 2019, 09:41:30 AM
On Forest Service land, at least up here, it's almost a given that pine plantations are not thinned early enough. The result is tall, spindly trees that don't hold up well to storms when they are thinned. Thinning early (25-30 years old for red pine) and then consistently will yield larger pine that are more wind firm. 

As bartender points out, it doesn't matter how wind firm the trees are in some storms. It's all coming down.

Clark
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on January 21, 2019, 02:58:36 PM
One sign of an over thinned stand is when they are all bent over instead of broken.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Firewoodjoe on January 21, 2019, 05:03:32 PM
 I understand there is some storms and it doesn't matter.  And I agree they're not thinned soon enough resulting in over thinning latter because they're not wind strong causing them to blow over in a slightly above average storm. Just my observation these days it seems I see a lot of bent up or broken red pine.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on January 21, 2019, 08:13:57 PM
These red pine stands had been recently marked for their second commercial thinning, but they were blown down by the heavy August 2018 storm before they could be harvested. Now they are a patch work of salvage operations with a years work or more of clean up ahead.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Gearbox on January 21, 2019, 08:41:45 PM
Around us there is almost 0 market for pine pulp therefor no one will invest money to thin with no payback for years .
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Skeans1 on January 21, 2019, 11:13:16 PM
This is sure impressive how far they are hanging out.
https://youtu.be/gGLnFeVsroE (https://youtu.be/gGLnFeVsroE)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on January 22, 2019, 12:28:25 AM
There's markets, Gearbox- they just don't pay anything😊
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: nativewolf on January 22, 2019, 08:39:08 AM
@Skeans1 (http://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=37446) it sure is impressive.  How the heck do they manage to get that cable anchored over there?  Fly it in a helicopter or use a skidder or excavator?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on January 22, 2019, 02:17:27 PM
@Skeans1 (http://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=37446) ,don't see much of that type of logging around here. Grapple on that "thing" that rides on that cable?  How can operator see what it's doing,camera??
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Skeans1 on January 22, 2019, 02:58:31 PM
Quote from: thecfarm on January 22, 2019, 02:17:27 PM
@Skeans1 (http://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=37446) ,don't see much of that type of logging around here. Grapple on that "thing" that rides on that cable?  How can operator see what it's doing,camera??
That's what's called a grapple carriage with a camera on it, the main reason most of the guys have gone to that style of carriage is to get guys off the ground.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Skeans1 on January 22, 2019, 02:59:10 PM
Quote from: nativewolf on January 22, 2019, 08:39:08 AM
@Skeans1 (http://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=37446) it sure is impressive.  How the heck do they manage to get that cable anchored over there?  Fly it in a helicopter or use a skidder or excavator?
Helicopter or with hay wire just like a main skyline.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: mike_belben on January 22, 2019, 04:26:55 PM
Guys are still cheap in appalachia. 
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Skeans1 on January 22, 2019, 04:42:42 PM
It's not the labor that kills it's the insurance, if you take the same sized yarder or tower with the big carriage Grapple carriage would out produce some choker setters. With a standard carriage or butt rigging you need two guys in the brush most of the time three, one guy chasing on the landing, then a guy running yarder how much labor is that?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: mike_belben on January 22, 2019, 04:58:24 PM
Where i live?

$30/hr cash for all 3. 
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: nativewolf on January 22, 2019, 05:05:52 PM
Quote from: mike_belben on January 22, 2019, 04:58:24 PM
Where i live?

$30/hr cash for all 3.
guys with that sized operation re doing it by books , so osha regs met, workmans comp is 100% of salary, etc.  3 guys gets to over $100/hr fast.  
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ianab on January 22, 2019, 05:59:52 PM
Not sure if it's the same machine as Skeans Posted, but this is a local manufacturer of that sort of gear, with some specs. The remote unit has a little 7.5 hp diesel for hydraulic power, and electrical for the cameras, lights and radio link. Cameras appear to be standard wireless security cameras that transmit back to the operator via wifi.

Hawkeye - EMS (http://emsnewzealand.co.nz/hawkeye/)

And a BIG safety advantage of not having boots on the ground setting chokers as logs are being yarded around them. So if a log hangs up and flicks around, or drops from a grapple, it's only a nuisance, not clobbering someone working nearby. 

Latest work is a remote operated feller buncher that they can send down those hills on a cable, and operate from a nice remote cab up on the hill. If something goes wrong on the business end up the rope, no one gets hurt. 
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: mike_belben on January 22, 2019, 07:35:50 PM
Quote from: nativewolf on January 22, 2019, 05:05:52 PM
Quote from: mike_belben on January 22, 2019, 04:58:24 PM
Where i live?

$30/hr cash for all 3.
guys with that sized operation re doing it by books , so osha regs met, workmans comp is 100% of salary, etc.  3 guys gets to over $100/hr fast.  
I know.  But there has nothing to do with here, and my initial comment was guys here are cheap. And im stickin to it.  
No license no insurance no problem!
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: nativewolf on January 22, 2019, 07:46:57 PM
Mike pretty soon you are going to be a business magnate there.  
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Skeans1 on January 23, 2019, 05:13:08 AM
Quote from: mike_belben on January 22, 2019, 07:35:50 PM
Quote from: nativewolf on January 22, 2019, 05:05:52 PM
Quote from: mike_belben on January 22, 2019, 04:58:24 PM
Where i live?

$30/hr cash for all 3.
guys with that sized operation re doing it by books , so osha regs met, workmans comp is 100% of salary, etc.  3 guys gets to over $100/hr fast.  
I know.  But there has nothing to do with here, and my initial comment was guys here are cheap. And im stickin to it.  
No license no insurance no problem!
That's great till you get a visit from the state at a job or you're doing company work, most of the guys doing this stuff are doing are working for one or the other.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Riwaka on January 23, 2019, 06:25:20 AM
Quote from: nativewolf on January 22, 2019, 08:39:08 AM
@Skeans1 (http://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=37446) it sure is impressive.  How the heck do they manage to get that cable anchored over there?  Fly it in a helicopter or use a skidder or excavator?
Looked like the Valmet? was the mobile tailhold
Use an industrial drone (dji matrice 600 and others) to tow out a thin dyneema rope then haul out the haywire, then cable. 
Prototype Winch and Drone for Yarder Setup April 17, 2016 - YouTube (https://youtu.be/qj7uJw1MSQc)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: nativewolf on January 23, 2019, 09:28:15 AM
That was great @Riwaka (http://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=27844) .  Drone service, Amazon has nothing on that logging crew.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: quilbilly on January 23, 2019, 10:14:18 AM
Quote from: Skeans1 on January 21, 2019, 11:13:16 PM
This is sure impressive how far they are hanging out.
https://youtu.be/gGLnFeVsroE (https://youtu.be/gGLnFeVsroE)

We were on a job that was hanging out just a bit further and steeper. Had to be a mile+ and steep ground. They logged with a little tiny madill 071. Wish I had some video of the old stuff our local guys did with the big skagits.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on January 23, 2019, 02:41:40 PM
@Skeans1 (http://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=37446) Thanks for the info
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: olcowhand on January 23, 2019, 05:33:19 PM
Quote from: nativewolf on January 22, 2019, 07:46:57 PM
Mike pretty soon you are going to be a business magnate there.  
From what I've read about Mike, he'd like that. I don't know if there's a special distinction between a "Business Magnate" and a regular one- but if the Business kind attracts Iron and Steel like a regular one, Mike would be very successful with all that extra material to work with. I heard that Magnates stick to Iron and Steel.....
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: nativewolf on January 23, 2019, 06:18:23 PM
Quote from: olcowhand on January 23, 2019, 05:33:19 PM
Quote from: nativewolf on January 22, 2019, 07:46:57 PM
Mike pretty soon you are going to be a business magnate there.  
From what I've read about Mike, he'd like that. I don't know if there's a special distinction between a "Business Magnate" and a regular one- but if the Business kind attracts Iron and Steel like a regular one, Mike would be very successful with all that extra material to work with. I heard that Magnates stick to Iron and Steel.....
:D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Resonator on January 23, 2019, 06:29:17 PM
For more info on mountain logging, check Youtube: "West Coast Logging Alex Esgate". He has good videos showing how skyline logging works, and the equipment they use.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Skeans1 on January 23, 2019, 08:08:30 PM
Quote from: quilbilly on January 23, 2019, 10:14:18 AM
Quote from: Skeans1 on January 21, 2019, 11:13:16 PM
This is sure impressive how far they are hanging out.
https://youtu.be/gGLnFeVsroE (https://youtu.be/gGLnFeVsroE)

We were on a job that was hanging out just a bit further and steeper. Had to be a mile+ and steep ground. They logged with a little tiny madill 071. Wish I had some video of the old stuff our local guys did with the big skagits.
A buddy's dad use to run a big old skagit he's told us and showed us the pictures of flying out the older D8's a mile they were impressive machines for their day. Or seeing pictures from the mountain doing the salvage of the old growth having to use the line shovels and the yarders to load the timber.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: dustyjay on January 27, 2019, 07:22:09 PM
I'll never keep up with you guys but I enjoy harvesting with this set up.
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/34459/IMG_3812.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1548634894)
 
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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: doc henderson on January 27, 2019, 07:49:56 PM
I bet they start up easy, maybe put out a little methane gas.  run on hay and grass.  A little attitude now and then.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: dustyjay on January 27, 2019, 08:18:57 PM
Quote from: doc henderson on January 27, 2019, 07:49:56 PM
I bet they start up easy, maybe put out a little methane gas.  run on hay and grass.  A little attitude now and then.
The mare was sure giving attitude today. We harvest our own hay in the summer. SLow, but efficient.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on January 28, 2019, 07:35:37 AM
The best part is,if you need to go forward a foot you don't have to get back on and wonder if that was enough.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: upnut on January 28, 2019, 08:50:10 AM
dustyjay- I'm reminded of an old cartoon comparing horse farming with monstrous agribusiness..."That poor guy has to quit when the sun goes down!"... The money quote...KJV Ecclesiastes 4:6 "Better is an handful with quietness, than both the hands full with travail and vexation of spirit."

Scott B.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: JLeBouton on February 07, 2019, 10:40:45 AM
Hey FabTek / Cat guys, check this out.


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on February 08, 2019, 05:33:17 PM
What vintage and reach?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: gaproperty on February 28, 2019, 05:53:53 AM
Quote from: dustyjay on January 27, 2019, 07:22:09 PM
I'll never keep up with you guys but I enjoy harvesting with this set up.
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/34459/IMG_3812.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1548634894)
 
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/34459/IMG_3811.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1548634893)

Reminds me of me and my father years ago. Dad had this theory. It's not how much money you make it's how much you enjoy your work and how much money you have left in the bank on Friday.  He had horses and old trucks.  Big machines cost lots of money and although they can make good money if you keep them going many went bankrupt. Big money.. lots of pressure and no time to enjoy your work.  
Your method doesn't cost anything and most likely one of the most enjoyable ways to log.  Dad and I got a lot of satisfaction from it.  It's been 45 years and I still work in the wood doing small scale logging mostly firewood.  I have a kubtoa tractor with a logging winch and power saws.  I keep it simple.  https://lostcaper.ca/dad-the-man-the-myth-the-legend/(opens in a new tab) (https://lostcaper.ca/dad-the-man-the-myth-the-legend/(opens%20in%20a%20new%20tab))
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: g_man on March 21, 2019, 10:03:31 AM
Yesterday was the end of the winter Sp/Fir season for me. My method is to get 1000 BF on the landing then make two 500 BF trips to the log yard 6 miles away.


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This is the last load.


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The mill I used to use closed last year. They would take down to 10 footers. The log yard min length is 12 foot. Makes me wish I had a longer truck. Makes steering interesting when the haul road is icy.


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gg

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on March 21, 2019, 10:29:41 AM
Your woods look like mine,as in snow.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: 78NHTFY on March 21, 2019, 11:40:18 AM
g-man: nice looking stacks--bet you like that grapple!
Unless we get another big freeze, like you g-man, I am done in the woods 'till summer.  No problem:  my log deck is chocka-block full so I'll be sawing (ash, oak, WP, hemlock--over 100 logs); my landing zone is full with full-length (50' - 75'--lots of dead ash from the "yellows" as my forester call it) so I'll be bucking up and sorting cordwood (mostly) from saw logs, chainsawing rounds and hand splitting rounds into cordwood (gotta stay in shape ;) 
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All the best, Rob.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: g_man on March 21, 2019, 06:57:37 PM
Looks like that 440 is working out nicely for you Rob !!!

gg
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on March 22, 2019, 01:56:12 PM
Looking Good!
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on March 24, 2019, 06:06:12 PM
Salvage of a large area of windblown timber from the destructive August 2018 windstorm has started along State Highway 55 west of Cadillac, MI. The timber salvage changes the landscape appearance while greatly improving the area's aesthetics, March 2019.

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Firewoodjoe on March 24, 2019, 06:31:43 PM
Ron that area took it hard. It's to bad how much standing timber we lost.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on March 24, 2019, 07:57:51 PM
Yes, hopefully most of the downed timber can and will be salvaged. 
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on March 26, 2019, 11:40:43 AM
John Deere 700H Crawler and Forwarder parked at the landing of the timber salvage operation, March 2019. The 700H crawler was used to open the snowed in access routes into the windblown timber. 

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on March 27, 2019, 04:45:48 PM
The salvaged timber logging/decking area with a John Deere slasher and harvester parked on site during the afternoon thaw. The logging is done during the early morning frozen ground conditions and then stopped during the early afternoon warm ups so as not to "mud up" the operation. March 2019.

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: gaproperty on March 27, 2019, 08:09:44 PM
Great hand tools help me with my small scale firewood operation.  Man there is some big outfits and fancy equipment but I have a tractor with a winch and logging trailer.  Great logging hand tools are a great help to my operation.  I have a Kubota l4740 and a wallenstine fx 6500 as well.  I also use a logging trailer.  Usually I winch the tree to the road then buck up the wood into firewood length peaces.  It works pretty good. I find good hand tools are a great help. Good birch hooks, peaveys, etc.  Here is a video of my logging hand tools.


Great hand tools I use for my small scale logging operati (https://youtu.be/ahWSFJ1jH10)on
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on March 28, 2019, 01:02:47 PM
This large commercial timber operator uses a lot of John Deere armor of the largest size for large volume production on this large acreage of wind blown salvage timber, March 2019.

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Peter Drouin on March 29, 2019, 05:49:41 AM
Have to move a lot of trees to pay for that,  But I bet it does it well. :)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Skeans1 on March 29, 2019, 06:11:22 AM
Quote from: Ron Scott on March 28, 2019, 01:02:47 PM
This large commercial timber operator uses a lot of John Deere armor of the largest size for large volume production on this large acreage of wind blown salvage timber, March 2019.

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1210? Or 1510?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on March 29, 2019, 05:07:18 PM
1210E 
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on March 29, 2019, 08:43:46 PM
A few from this spring. We're getting some time off this spring for a change, which is alright by me👍

A small sale we cut right off of a highway

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A nice second entry red pine thinning

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A nice little landing, I tried to put the wood up really neatly because it has to sit until the road restrictions come off. One of the most embarrassing things you can have happen as a forwarder operator is having your end of winter piles fall over because you left too much snow under them. No this has not happened to me😊

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Ponsse BuffaloKing forwarder and Ergo harvester all done with this one. Waiting for the lowboy to take them in for spring maintenance.

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And finally, another outfit that was working down the road. They are running a JD rubber tire buncher in front of a JD track harvester and a JD forwarder. The forwarder's piles are atrocious, IMO😁

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Cub on March 30, 2019, 07:23:11 AM
Those some nice looking piles there!! Maybe someday mine will be that nice. I'm usually somewhere in between your piles and the last picture. Never had any fall over YET :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: WDH on March 30, 2019, 08:07:03 AM
Barbender, you make nice piles. 
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: wannaergo on March 30, 2019, 09:20:07 AM
Those are beautiful piles. I've had one spring pile tip over. It was a small pile of saw logs, and when I made it, the snowbanks were 6 feet tall, and when the trucker went to grab them, they were almost gone.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on March 31, 2019, 04:21:45 PM
Neat piles often reflect on the expected quality and perception of a good logging job. The landing/decking area is usually the first part of a logging job seen by the passerby. ;)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on March 31, 2019, 09:39:54 PM
The landing/decking area grows with salvaged timber from the August 2018 wind storm. The timber is sorted into product species and lengths for the best market prices. March 2019.

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on September 07, 2019, 03:10:35 PM
This small independent logger has been in business for a number of years and has a waiting list of clients in the local area. He uses the simplest of equipment in his operations. Here is a short bunk woodhauler and loader on the landing of one of his current tree length hardwood timber harvests, 9/19.
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/IMG_2983.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1567882703)(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/IMG_2984.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1567882752)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on September 08, 2019, 08:13:06 PM
This logger also uses a 450E John Deere crawler with a grapple on this tree length hardwood harvest operation. 9/19.

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: g_man on September 09, 2019, 05:51:49 PM
You don't see a crawler set up like that every day. Pretty neat.

gg
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Puffergas on September 21, 2019, 08:08:14 PM
The 5625sx loading on the landing.


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: g_man on September 22, 2019, 07:02:31 AM
Small Scale CTL ?  Thinning produces pole sized fire wood.


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gg  
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on September 22, 2019, 11:43:42 AM
Loading onto a small trailer,you can hardly tell you have been there. We use to bring out four foot wood like that.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: sawguy21 on September 22, 2019, 11:53:07 AM
Quote from: Ron Scott on September 07, 2019, 03:10:35 PM
This small independent logger has been in business for a number of years and has a waiting list of clients in the local area. He uses the simplest of equipment in his operations. Here is a short bunk woodhauler and loader on the landing of one of his current tree length hardwood timber harvests, 9/19.
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/IMG_2983.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1567882703)(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/IMG_2984.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1567882752)
Interesting, I have never seen a coe with a tri drive let alone that lift axle. The loader is a neat setup.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Puffergas on September 29, 2019, 08:44:12 AM
The 125E skidding tree length. After seeing the above dozer with a grapple I'm thinking about a log arch with a grapple. Looks like an old grapple is difficult to find.


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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Skeans1 on September 29, 2019, 08:51:59 AM
@Puffergas (http://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=9539) 
You might try Young Industries since Esco is pretty much out of business they were the two big players in building the grapple arches.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Puffergas on September 29, 2019, 09:04:25 AM
@Skeans1 (http://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=37446) 

Did they or anybody make a trailer type log cart with a grapple? I don't want to attache it to the dozer just pin it to the hitch. On a budget so it would need to be 3/4 wore out.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Skeans1 on September 29, 2019, 09:11:45 AM
At one time wheel arches were used out here but they were the big boys nothing you'd pull with that size of cat. Isn't the whole point of a grapple not needing to exit the machine to set the grapple or in this case I'm imagining a cable grapple?
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Puffergas on September 29, 2019, 11:01:47 AM
Might be able to run the controls from the seat of the cat. No winch on the cat.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Skeans1 on September 29, 2019, 11:39:19 AM
One issue I can for see is how will all that weight transfer on the hitch? Normally you don't want to use a grapple on a rear final or standard style final cat it applies all the weight onto the final when pulling a turn the best style is a track skidder where the final drive is the high drive style but centered.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Puffergas on September 29, 2019, 07:16:44 PM
I think the tongue of the cart would be lifting up on the cat hitch making the weight on the drive sprocket a bit less. Assuming the weight of the log was too the rear of the cart axle. I was thinking about using a truck axle or a trailer axle from a 40' trailer.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: g_man on September 30, 2019, 05:55:04 PM
This is a rig I saw in a logging museum near Klamath, OR. An old Cat 30 dozer, one of the earliest Cats, and log arch. Looks to me like the Cat had a winch and they got the log in tight over the arch tracks to keep the tongue weight fairly neutral.


(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/21065/Cat30LogArch.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1417801146)
 

gg
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on September 30, 2019, 07:35:20 PM
Interesting unit. I can remember when most all the logging was done with cats on the Michigan National Forests back in the early 1960's. Most with open seats, no armor, etc.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Puffergas on September 30, 2019, 08:18:35 PM
Only Bigfoot could reach that high to grab the cable.   ;D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on September 30, 2019, 09:49:31 PM
I got a book from the local library once that had an extensive section on dozers and logging arches, it was very interesting with tons of great pictures. I wish I could remember the title of it.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on October 01, 2019, 07:50:10 AM
@barbender (http://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=1286),Endless Tracks In The woods by James A. Young and Jerry D. Budy will keep a man looking and reading for hours.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Skeans1 on October 01, 2019, 08:08:17 AM
@barbender (http://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=1286) 
@g_man (http://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=11065) 
@Ron Scott (http://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=2) 
@Puffergas (http://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=9539) 
@thecfarm (http://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=436) 
If you ever get the chance to make it out here Camp 18 has tons of those arches still in working condition, even with those you can still stand a cat up on her back end.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on October 01, 2019, 12:48:27 PM
I'd like to see it!
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: thecfarm on October 01, 2019, 02:10:37 PM
You buying lunch at the restaurant?  :D  :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Skeans1 on October 03, 2019, 09:39:51 AM
@thecfarm (http://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=436)
The food is pretty good but the coolest part to me is that iron museum that they have outside, where else are you going to see a Washington/Allied Feller Buncher I think of the less then 50 built there's only one maybe two still cutting and then this one.
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Puffergas on October 20, 2019, 12:37:12 PM
The 114 unloading some logs at the yard.

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: BargeMonkey on October 21, 2019, 12:25:30 AM
 Just a tough as nails machine, walks all over a newer 648G3. 

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Skeans1 on November 06, 2019, 10:39:24 PM
@SW Oh Logger (http://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=27772) 
@BargeMonkey (http://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=24634) 
Here's an idea for you guys
https://youtu.be/eGToBy1VFyA (https://youtu.be/eGToBy1VFyA)
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on January 12, 2020, 06:28:41 PM
Came across this neat landing/decking area along a heavily traveled roadway into a popular winter sports area. This logger will attract new clients with "neatness".

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on January 19, 2020, 07:24:06 PM
Equipment still in use by the small independent operator; a 5510 Iron Mule Forwarder and a John Deere Cable Skidder on an early 2020 timber harvest.

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Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: barbender on January 19, 2020, 09:11:59 PM
I think I'd really enjoy operating that way, Ron. A small forwarder and a cable skidder, and hand falling. The problem up here is I don't think we have enough of the type of timber that would make it viable. 
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: Ron Scott on January 22, 2020, 05:15:49 PM
This one is operating on National Forest land along a major snowmobile trail which is a designated National Recreation Trail in an area of blow down timber. It is a "light on the land" CTL operation on and along the trail under USFS management.

The cable skidder is primarily being used to pull the tree lengths off of the slopes and out of wetland areas where they are then cut into wood product lengths for removal to the landing/decking area with the forwarder for product sorting.

There is still a need for these small independent operators here, but they are becoming fewer and fewer.

Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: newoodguy78 on January 30, 2022, 05:09:42 PM
Hate to see this one forgotten. 
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: SwampDonkey on January 31, 2022, 05:20:40 AM
As to those machines on side hill like that. You never worked on the back side of the South Ridge Road. Up on top of the ridge is flat like your pasture for miles north-south-west. Down over toward the Miramachi river is a big drop, road at the bottom. They worked for their pay in there. Irving contractors. :D :D
Title: Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
Post by: ppine on March 09, 2023, 12:04:16 PM
The coastal areas of OR, WA and northern CA and BC have typically been clear cut in the past, often with cable logging shows due to steep slopes.  Typically called the "West Side", the country west of the Cascade Crest, it is also the area known as Ecopopia.  There are more liberal minded people living there.  There has been resistance to clear cut logging on the West Side in the last 30 years or so.  They have little fire danger and do not seem to recognize the need for logging and thinning like more fire prone areas. 

I met with some professors at the U of Washington this summer in the field.  We talked about some "new harvest methods".  They are mostly derivatives of shelterwood methods.  Some seed trees are left after logging.  They can be harvested in a step wise fashion to promote more uneven aged stands.  I believe this is how we are going to sell the public on logging on the West Side in the future.  We also need to make them understand growth rates and carbon sequestration in managed forests compared to the mess that we have now.