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Are ya'll runnin' ethanol free fuel in your mills?
« on: June 05, 2018, 07:52:37 PM »
Of course you diesel guys are not.  I have been running ethanol free in my LT15, my Stihl chainsaws, and my forklift(early 1940's farmall BN) for a year now.  It's not that much more given the volume I use and it's not nearly as much as I use in my daily driver.

I just google ethanol free gas stations.  There are 3 in different towns that I regularly go.  My local municipal airport (part of the park district) also has it and will sell to me, only I have to bring my dolly and make two trips from where I park out to the taxi way area where the pump is for the planes.

I started doing this because I know I need it in my Stihl 090, and my tractor.
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« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2018, 08:02:37 PM »
Ethanol goes in pint and quart jars NOT in fuel tanks!  Sometimes with peach, sometimes with strawberry, sometimes with apple.  Sometimes just corn and sugar.....best with a chunk of charred white oak and aged for a few months.

Yes, ethanol free in the sawmill, edger, chainsaws, IH 140 tractor, 4 wheeler, boats, weed eater, pole saw, lawn mower, wood splitter.....you get the picture.

I've only had two bad experiences with ethanol gasoline in small engines. One was a warranty repair, the other cost me $250 and I'm not even the one that put the gasohol in my mower!
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Re: Are ya'll runnin' ethanol free fuel in your mills?
« Reply #2 on: June 05, 2018, 08:14:58 PM »
  Not yet. I run my equipment enough so far I have not had any problems yet. Longest sitting equipment is my outboard motor and weedeater and I run the fuel out of them at the end of each use. In the Fall when I quit fishing I use the rest of that gas in my chainsaws as I use exactly the same mix in both of them.  That way I start with a fresh fuel in the Spring when I start back fishing. 
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Re: Are ya'll runnin' ethanol free fuel in your mills?
« Reply #3 on: June 05, 2018, 08:48:35 PM »
I have 2 chainsaws,2 mowers, leafblower,sawmill and gas brush cutter.None use ethanol free gas,never any problems.
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« Reply #4 on: June 05, 2018, 09:16:24 PM »
Note of caution:
Just because you are buying ethanol free there is a high probability that is not what you are getting especially if you only buy a small quantity at a time.  Most pumps have one hose for 3 different grades.  So, unless you pump the first 5 gallons in your vehicle then there is a chance that you are not getting what you are paying for but getting what the previous user of the pump purchased.
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Re: Are ya'll runnin' ethanol free fuel in your mills?
« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2018, 09:38:23 PM »
I have never knowingly used Ethanol in any engine other than our car/truck.  This does not override the fact that any fuel will go stale if allowed to sit for too long and all of us have smelled that sickening stale gas smell.  :o

Our station has a separate hose for Ethanol.
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Re: Are ya'll runnin' ethanol free fuel in your mills?
« Reply #6 on: June 05, 2018, 09:42:28 PM »
Note of caution:
Just because you are buying ethanol free there is a high probability that is not what you are getting especially if you only buy a small quantity at a time.  Most pumps have one hose for 3 different grades.  So, unless you pump the first 5 gallons in your vehicle then there is a chance that you are not getting what you are paying for but getting what the previous user of the pump purchased.
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« Reply #7 on: June 05, 2018, 09:57:13 PM »
I solved on-going problems in my tractor, as well as every other carburetor I own by switching to ethanol free gasoline.  Just my experience.    Regards, Clark

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« Reply #8 on: June 05, 2018, 09:59:52 PM »
The station where I buy my ethanol free fuel has a dedicated pump for premium/ethanol free gasoline.
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Re: Are ya'll runnin' ethanol free fuel in your mills?
« Reply #9 on: June 05, 2018, 10:29:17 PM »
I use "100% gasoline" in every thing except vehicles.  But at over $3 per gallon, these rural stations near me don't sell huge volumes.  My concern is condensated water.  I empty the last half gallon of the gas containers into a glass jug for water check.  

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« Reply #10 on: June 05, 2018, 10:56:11 PM »
I run ethanol free in everything except cars.  tractor, chainsaws, boats, sawmill, trimmers,etc.  I'm fortunate to live on a large lake in illinois so local gas station about 4 miles from house has ethanol free gas at every pump for the boating crowd. 
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« Reply #11 on: June 05, 2018, 11:17:55 PM »
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Re: Are ya'll runnin' ethanol free fuel in your mills?
« Reply #12 on: June 06, 2018, 02:44:51 AM »
Me too, no ethanol for anything that matters; which is most.  It's either Premium, or some stations around here Wa/Id have 100% gas, or some such.... Makes me wonder what's in Premium.

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Re: Are ya'll runnin' ethanol free fuel in your mills?
« Reply #13 on: June 06, 2018, 06:57:36 AM »
"Premium" doesn't mean ethanol free.  It's just a marketing word for higher octane.  Every station I've been to that carries ethanol free has a dedicated pump for it, not switching.
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« Reply #14 on: June 06, 2018, 07:08:56 AM »
I run ethanol free in my mill and other gas equipment.
The station's i go to all have dedicated pumps for it.
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« Reply #15 on: June 06, 2018, 07:19:37 AM »
I run 91oct, e-free gas in everything except the car/truck!
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« Reply #16 on: June 06, 2018, 07:34:45 AM »
I run ethanol-free in all of my gas-engine machines...there's a station 2 miles away that has Sunoco GT100 race gas!  :o
Since it's only my chainsaw, pressure-washer, etc. I'm willing to pay the $8/gallon price.

All my stuff starts right up always and the smell makes me feel like I'm at the track! Win:win!   8)
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« Reply #17 on: June 06, 2018, 09:50:08 AM »
Note of caution:
Just because you are buying ethanol free there is a high probability that is not what you are getting especially if you only buy a small quantity at a time.  Most pumps have one hose for 3 different grades.  So, unless you pump the first 5 gallons in your vehicle then there is a chance that you are not getting what you are paying for but getting what the previous user of the pump purchased.
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I wonder how much it actually takes to remove the stuff in the line before you start getting what you paid for? I guess it depends on where the switching valve is located.
And probably the pipe size and length.
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Re: Are ya'll runnin' ethanol free fuel in your mills?
« Reply #18 on: June 06, 2018, 10:20:49 AM »
E-free in all small engines.  I usually fill cans when I go to our land in Va.  it is rural and many stations carry non-E gas.  One station has 2 different octanes of it.  
Here in the area I live in there are two stations with in a couple mile that have it too.

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« Reply #19 on: June 06, 2018, 01:37:52 PM »
Ethanol free in everything but the Jeep. Around here high octane is usually ethanol free, but as mentioned, pump a gallon in your vehicle first to clear the hose of the ethanol gas.  Stewarts stores used to have three nozzles, but they have phased all those out. 
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« Reply #20 on: June 06, 2018, 03:36:52 PM »
If you run them more than once a month your good to go. Drain any fuel when storing equipment. Ethanol in fuel will not cause a problem if not allowed to sit around.
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« Reply #21 on: June 06, 2018, 04:13:35 PM »
Ethanol free in everything for me anymore.
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« Reply #22 on: June 06, 2018, 04:19:35 PM »
I've made the switch! Two years ago I rebuilt about 8 carbs that were bummed up. Not again!

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« Reply #23 on: June 07, 2018, 02:55:48 AM »
Ethanol gas caused me lots of misery on a few occasions . I will not run it in any of my small engines even the ones that never go more than a day or two without running . if you run it you better stock up in carburetor cleaner. lol   
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« Reply #24 on: June 08, 2018, 08:38:20 PM »
Us too.... ethanol free in everything other than the car!

About every three months we take in the old Ford truck and put ethanol free gas in 15 5 gal containers and in old Floyd (the truck) as well...

We use premium non-ethanol only when we cannot find just plain non-ethanol.... but I have to admit that Floyd does like the premium... YUM... but a bit tough on the pocket book!  :D
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« Reply #25 on: June 09, 2018, 11:47:19 AM »
I keep 5 or 6 gas cans that only get non ethanol juice in them for the power equipment around the farm and for the sawmill. 
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« Reply #26 on: June 09, 2018, 11:53:43 AM »
One of the things that we are not allowed up here in Canada. Every pump has ethanol blended gas. :-[

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« Reply #27 on: June 09, 2018, 08:26:28 PM »
Ethanol free in everything except my truck. Around here they call it recreational gas and it's in it's own dedicated pump at the gas station. Be careful getting gas from the airport, if you get the wrong stuff it will burn too hot for your engine, and some of the additives might not be good for your seals depending on what they are made of. I also use marvel mystery fluid in everything I own to get extra lubrication on the fuel system.
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« Reply #28 on: June 12, 2018, 07:26:46 PM »
Non-ethanol for sure. Usually I try and buy premium 91 octane for my mill, and all my small engines, but I have to buy it elsewhere as my local station doesnt offer premium. If I buy locally for my small engines its non-ethanol 87 octane. 
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« Reply #29 on: June 12, 2018, 08:53:44 PM »
Timely topic for me. Just bought a new Stihl weedeater and was talking to the mechanic in their shop about this very subject. In his opinion (for what it's worth), it's not the ethanol that causes problems but letting the fuel sit for a while- oxidation in the fuel tank. He recommended fuel stabilizer to keep it from going bad or gelling. Wish there was some good research on this to find the answer one way or the other...

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« Reply #30 on: June 12, 2018, 09:30:58 PM »
He recommended fuel stabilizer to keep it from going bad or gelling. Wish there was some good research on this to find the answer one way or the other...
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Lawnmower, sawmill, and generator all use ethanol gas. I run them religiously the first of every month for about 15 minutes in the off seasons. No fuel related problems.

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« Reply #31 on: June 12, 2018, 09:40:58 PM »
Ethanol free is about $1.50 more per gallon putting it at about $4.75/gal. I was told by the Stihl dealer that if I used fuel stabilizer I wouldn't have anything to worry about. So that is what I do. I bought the tailgater generator at harbor freight and it says all over the package and everywhere else that if fuel stabilizer is not used the warranty is void. So I figure there must be some truth to what I was told. I hope I'm not proven wrong at some point in the future. Time will tell. 
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« Reply #32 on: June 13, 2018, 02:23:29 AM »
Leaving gas in anything for an extended period is not good- more than a couple months.  The lighter constituents can evaporate, assuming it is vented, which causes thickening, and if air can get to it oxidation.  Not nearly as much an issue in a closed gas can.  In a saw, weed eater, or mower, try to run them dry or dump the fuel out and then run what's left in the carb out.
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« Reply #33 on: June 13, 2018, 05:00:32 AM »
I use ethanol because it's 35 mi. to the nearest station that sells plain gas.  If it was closer, I'd consider using it.  As is, I run everything dry every time.  No problems so far.  Gary
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« Reply #34 on: June 13, 2018, 05:52:32 AM »
I run AV Gas in just about everything because it truly is ethanol free and has lead in it to help keep the valves lubed up. Chainsaws, Weedeaters, ATVs, lawnmowers you name it i put it in there because I can let something sit for over 2 years and it will fire right up without putting any additive in it.
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Re: Are ya'll runnin' ethanol free fuel in your mills?
« Reply #35 on: June 13, 2018, 07:24:10 AM »
Ethanol goes in pint and quart jars NOT in fuel tanks!  Sometimes with peach, sometimes with strawberry, sometimes with apple.  Sometimes just corn and sugar.....best with a chunk of charred white oak and aged for a few months.
If your alternative fuel plant is big enough . . . . . . You will have enough to put into gallon jugs!  But I do agree with the corn and sugar!
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« Reply #36 on: June 13, 2018, 04:16:32 PM »
I use fuel stabilizer in any gasoline besides the car's tank. Never had any issues even with an old push-mower, that just gets parked in the barn when mowing season is over. I just roll it back out in the spring, pull it 3-4 times and it fires right up. 
All small engines get 89-91 octane gas and fuel stabilizer. 

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Re: Are ya'll runnin' ethanol free fuel in your mills?
« Reply #38 on: June 13, 2018, 07:51:44 PM »
Ethanol goes in pint and quart jars NOT in fuel tanks!  Sometimes with peach, sometimes with strawberry, sometimes with apple.  Sometimes just corn and sugar.....best with a chunk of charred white oak and aged for a few months.
If your alternative fuel plant is big enough . . . . . . You will have enough to put into gallon jugs!  But I do agree with the corn and sugar!
Doc Watson used to tell the story about a guy that went into the liquor store and asked for Ole Rabbit.  The clerk said he didn't have Ole Rabbit but he had Old Crow.  The customer said he wanted Ole Rabbit because he didn't want to fly, he just wanted to hop around a little bit......
Pints and quarts are better than gallon jugs.
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Re: Are ya'll runnin' ethanol free fuel in your mills?
« Reply #39 on: June 13, 2018, 10:25:24 PM »
Well, I am going to go against the grain here I run 87 E-10 in all my engines and I have no issues at all.  Mind you they don't sit long with the exception of the wood splitter and come spring I will dump in some fuel stabilizer, shut off the fuel supply, run it out, then drain the carb bowl.  Now to really open the can of worms, I mix Wally-world marine injection oil at 32:1 in my Husky 372 saws and my weed eater, again with no issues, and those saws run hard.  
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Re: Are ya'll runnin' ethanol free fuel in your mills?
« Reply #40 on: June 14, 2018, 02:02:20 AM »
Nice thing about living in Alaska is that we don't have ethanol in any of our gas.  If we did you can rest assured I'd pay the extra for real gasoline especially in all my small engines.
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