AWMV + Cleereman = Wood-Mizer’s newest mill – with pictures!

[Bibbyman]

I've heard rumors for a good long time.  More solid details in the past 6 months.  I've been setting on some pretty direct info for at least a month.

But here is Wood-Mizer's newest mill.   You see it here first!  8)








The carriage is by Cleereman and the head is by Wood-Mizer's AWMV industrial.  It has a 50 hp 3ph motor and uses a 2" blade.  (Did you take note that WM started to market 2" wide blades a few months back?)

[Jeff]

Now dats a board spitting machine there I bet.

[Bibbyman]

 



I study the pictures and notice that the pump unit looks a lot like the one we are using on our LT40.  All I need now is the other parts!   :D

[flip]

A guy can probably pick one of dem der tings up cheap too, huh?  Couple hundred bucks ??? ;)

[rbhunter]

Bibbyman needs a digital camcorder so we can also see all of the machines working he finds.

[Dave Shepard]

That looks like the head is much bigger than the LT300, how big are the band wheels, looks like three feet? Is using a conventional carriage an advantage over the standard log deck?


Dave

[Bibbyman]

That looks like the head is much bigger than the LT300, how big are the band wheels, looks like three feet? Is using a conventional carriage an advantage over the standard log deck?


Dave

I think the wheels are 40".   The carriage with the log on the 17 degree slant allows for the slab, flitches or boards to drop into the conveyor as they are cut.  This minimizes a lot of problems moving the cut material away from the sawing.

[ellmoe]

    Looks good! I wonder if they will have one at the Richmond show.

Mark

[Jeff]

This minimizes a lot of problems moving the cut material away from the sawing.

Another advantage is loading and dogging logs. They drop in that "V" rather then a horizontal bunk where they can roll around or even off.

So does the carriage move, or does the sawhead?

[Jeff]

Looking at the pictures I got my answer. ;)

[farmerdoug]

Jeff,  It is a Woodmizer.  What is so hard about that question? : :D :D :D

[Jeff]

Hey, sawmills evolve, and sometimes history is repeated. 

[Ron Wenrich]

Looks an awful lot like a Sanborn Min-Max rig.  Sanborn used a 6" blade, I believe.

[farmerdoug]

Ron,  you are right but the Sanborn was alot heavier too.

[farmerdoug]

Has Woodmizer ever made a mill with a stationary head, except for their resaws of course?  If they have I would like to see a picture of it.

[Bibbyman]

    Looks good! I wonder if they will have one at the Richmond show.

Mark

I hear it will be.

Bibbyman needs a digital camcorder so we can also see all of the machines working he finds.

I'd love to have a digital camcorder but Mary has shot that idea down every time I've brought it up.  These pictures were taken by one of my operatives.   ;)

[Ron Wenrich]

Only the sawhead was heavier.  It used 36" wheels.  It also cut a good deal of wood in a short amount of time.  We had someone on here that had a Sanborn for a while.  

[farmerdoug]

Ron,  The head is what I was refering to.  Now the part from Cleereman looks like it may be alot heavier than the Sanborn.  That Sanborn sure looked like it could cut lumber but I always thought it would be better stationary.

[John_Haylow]

Congratulations Bibbyman, I wondered what you were up to when you made the post "Is it a time to buy" ;).
John

[zopi]

Hmmm...dats neat...as innovative as WM is, and judging by how popular they are in the states, I wonder what the odds of WM developing a small swinger is..

Patent issues likely...

[Bibbyman]

Congratulations Bibbyman, I wondered what you were up to when you made the post "Is it a time to buy" ;).
John

Yea.  That would work real well.  I could saw for 15 minutes in the morning while Mary makes my eggs and bacon and then she could offbear and stack the rest of the day!   :D

[slowzuki]

Looks a lot like my neighbours Sanborn, conveyors and all.

[Bibbyman]

Got some update data on the new mill..

The wheels are 42" not 40".

They saw head throat width is 36".

They are running a 2" wide blade with 1-1/8" spacing. But a 1-1/2" blade will also work.

They can match the saw head with any size carriage the customer wants.  They expect a setup for an 18' log to be most popular.

The blade drive motor is 50hp.  The total HP of all the motors is 85hp - including hydraulic unit and other drives.

[beav39]

SANBORN IS MADE 10 MILES FROM ME THEY USE A THREE INCH BLADEAND ARE PORTABLE,BUT,YOU NEED A WHEELER OR TRACTOR TO MOVE THEM,SETUP OF THE  NEW MIZER IS QUITE SIMILAR       SCOT

[Firebass]

Hmmm...dats neat...as innovative as WM is, and judging by how popular they are in the states, I wonder what the odds of WM developing a small swinger is..

Patent issues likely...

Patents are only good for so long... But a Orange Swinger >:(... I don't think so...

[zopi]

Patents are only good for so long... But a Orange Swinger >:(... I don't think so...

It'd be cool, tho'...american made swinger...

[ARKANSAWYER]

  There is an American made swinger.  I have played with the ideal of a swinger head mounted on a WoodMizer frame.   Then you could cut off the ruff stuff of large logs and then saw with the band head.  One day when I have extra coin and time I will work on it.  Also a slabber head mounted the same way would be great.

  I have looked at these designs and wonder about slabs and fletchins breaking off before the cut is done?    ???

[sparks]

It will be at the Richmond show. I have not heard if it will be in operation though.

[Jeff]

I got an invite to go down and run one in about 3 weeks. I'd sure love to do it but one trip to Indy equals 2 and a half trips to my property.

[zopi]

  There is an American made swinger.  I have played with the ideal of a swinger head mounted on a WoodMizer frame.   Then you could cut off the ruff stuff of large logs and then saw with the band head.  One day when I have extra coin and time I will work on it.  Also a slabber head mounted the same way would be great.

  I have looked at these designs and wonder about slabs and fletchins breaking off before the cut is done?    ???

there are alot of logs where one more board could be saved out of the slab too...

Who makes the american swinger? I thought they were all out of NZ..

[thedeeredude]

BrandX is the american made swinger.  DL Doublecut has a Canadian made swinger.

[Bibbyman]

I got an invite to go down and run one in about 3 weeks. I'd sure love to do it but one trip to Indy equals 2 and a half trips to my property.

I think you just afraid you'd get hooked into running a headrig again. ;)

[Jeff]

You might be right. :D   I bet the ergonomic design on this is certainly something that wouldn't rip my shoulders up again like the old mechanical/hydraulic stick controls I ran for all those years. I know when I sat at the controls of that 300 way back at the 20th anniversary I was wishing I had something like those and I'm certain those have been improved upon as well over the last 5 years

[Dave Shepard]

You should try the new remote, that won't hurt your shoulders. Might get tired thumbs though. ;D

Bibbyman, do you know if AWMV is going to have one of those at the NEFPE in VT next month? Would sure like to see it.


Dave

[Furby]

Little greedy there eh Dave ???
;D ;D ;D ;)

[Dave Shepard]

 ??? ??? :-\

[Furby]

Not even a week with the new mill and ya are drooling over "bigger and better"! :D :D :D

[Dave Shepard]

I said I wanted to see it, not load it in the back of my pickup, drag it home, and hide it in my closet. ;) :D


Dave

[Furby]

Yeah, sure, ok.
Don't worry, I belive ya! :
;D ;)

[Dave Shepard]

I work by myself, which means no tailman, you think I wanna tail that thing? ;D


Dave

[Furby]

Nope, just need the accessories for it! ;) ;)

[Bibbyman]

 

Jeff seated at the controls of the LT300 at the 20'th Anniversary Party.

Bibbyman, do you know if AWMV is going to have one of those at the NEFPE in VT next month? Would sure like to see it.


Dave

I don't know but I can find out.  I about bet it won't be at any of the small shows - only the big national ones.  But that's just my guess.

[woodbowl]

  I have looked at these designs and wonder about slabs and fletchins breaking off before the cut is done?    ???

I've heard that Sanborn is set up for 17° also. There must be something about that number in terms of .... not too steep that the board abruptly breaks off and ..... not too shallow that the board sticks. Anyone know the tech on all that?

[customsawyer]

I think they might need to take it to the next level and put one of those double cut blades on there and then see how many men it will take to keep up with it.

[Ron Wenrich]

Most rigs that I've run across use a 17° angle.  I was thinking there was a resaw that had a 29° angle, but I can't recall the make.  

I changed my stick control over to joy sticks, and that helped the shoulder problems pretty much.  The chiropractor did the rest.  We now have automation where the carriage runs pretty much by itself, if I want it to.

[Jeff]

Jeff seated at the controls of the LT300 at the 20'th Anniversary Party.

I dont know that big fellow...

[Firebass]

Who makes the american swinger? I thought they were all out of NZ..

I made a (American Made) swinger.  ;D



Firebass

[Bibbyman]

 

Here's something I cropped out of one of the pictures of the new mill.  I hadn't thought about it.  I guess I just thought it was a single head resaw.  Then a few brain cells kicked in and went back and took another look.  Its a twin vertical saw.  I went out to the Europe web site where I'd remember seeing a small log system and found this.

Wood-Mizer Europe - Small log processing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tcyoe8PX418

[Kevin_H.]

Hey now that's a pretty neat looking setup. you would need a consistant supply of the small logs

[fencerowphil (Phil L.)]

That's pretty neat:

           A band scrag, followed by
            A single vertical, followed by
              A multi-head (four?) horizontal resaw!

You get a stack of five boards in a tidy bundle!

[Bibbyman]

You should try the new remote, that won't hurt your shoulders. Might get tired thumbs though. ;D

Bibbyman, do you know if AWMV is going to have one of those at the NEFPE in VT next month? Would sure like to see it.


Dave

I've found out that AWMV people will have booth there but no iron, just video and such. Drop in and say Hi! anyways! 

[inspectorwoody]

Now that is a nice setup for a smaller saw!  8)

The 17 degree is very nice. Our McDonough headrig is the same type of setup but of course larger.  ;)

Jeff, I think you should head to Indy!  What is the worst thing that could happen,ya bring it home!  :D

Thanks Bibbyman for sharing.

[Lud]

Couldn't they have have found some more annoying music?   Had to shut 'er down mid video.  made me nuts.  Hell of a unit if you were in the fence post business.........

[Bibbyman]

Couldn't they have have found some more annoying music?   Had to shut 'er down mid video.  made me nuts.  Hell of a unit if you were in the fence post business.........

Yea, they could have.  There is a video link here on the Forum some place of an Italian built mill with manual hydraulics that has considerably worse than this music.  Must be some European thing.

[4x4American]

Anyone know anyone who's running this mill?

[Dave Shepard]

Funny this popped up. I was watching a Cleereman mill on YouTube and remembered this thread. 

[4x4American]

I'm kinda shocked they only put a 50hp motor on it, and like Jake said it should be a double cut blade

[4x4American]

Was visiting a place I sell lumber to and seen that they had one of these.  The owner told me they only made two of these.  I guess Cleereman took Jake's advice and put a 8" double cut blade on it and called it the lumber pro, which is a skookum choocher.  Anyways, when I was there visiting they were running their circle mill.  

[Dave Shepard]

What's the SCH stand for,  Skookum Choocher Headrig? :D

[4x4American]

lol lol lol