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Title: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on March 23, 2017, 07:54:35 AM
Hopefully today!   Came across something whie looking for something else, and with some negotiation, deal making and final swapping, something pretty cool (at least to me) is supposed to show up at the house, possibly today.

STAY TUNED!!! 8) 8)
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: POSTON WIDEHEAD on March 23, 2017, 08:02:25 AM
Hint?
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on March 23, 2017, 08:04:10 AM
It was in a barn.
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Post by: thecfarm on March 23, 2017, 08:31:11 AM
A smoker.
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Post by: cnewbykkn on March 23, 2017, 09:13:32 AM
Pudding stones!!!
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Post by: Roxie on March 23, 2017, 09:15:55 AM
Are you still waiting for those bunnies to deliver colored eggs to your door?  They were headed for your barn.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on March 23, 2017, 09:18:19 AM
Bigger than an Easter egg, smaller than a barn.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: thecfarm on March 23, 2017, 09:31:40 AM
How many wheels does it have? 2?
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Ljohnsaw on March 23, 2017, 09:37:31 AM
Let's see...  you already have a "small" barn (that would fit in a barn :D), TWO tractors, a classic car, the wifeys got a classic 4x4 and a you have a saw mill.  What else does a man need?
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Magicman on March 23, 2017, 10:21:11 AM
Toys, a man always needs more toys!   ;D
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on March 23, 2017, 10:29:36 AM
Actually, Tammy keeps claiming things, so, I actually need something that is mine. Problem is, read th first half of the previous sentence. :-\

Quote from: thecfarm on March 23, 2017, 09:31:40 AM
How many wheels does it have? 2?
Who said it had wheels? :D
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Magicman on March 23, 2017, 01:24:37 PM
I am looking forward to it, and I ain't even getting anything.   ;D
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: sandhills on March 23, 2017, 01:43:32 PM
I'm thinking hooves rather than wheels, you didn't buy the goat did you?  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Babylon519 on March 23, 2017, 01:48:57 PM
Not a float, not a goat ... bet it's a boat. Upper Michigan and all .... ::)

-Jason
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on March 23, 2017, 02:03:15 PM
It's on it's way I just heard the call. :)  if its not a float, it can't be a boat, I'd not buy a boat that could not float a goat, cause a goat that can't float, is destined to bloat. 
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: red on March 23, 2017, 03:08:08 PM
Does it burn fuel or eat feed ?
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Post by: loggah on March 23, 2017, 03:59:03 PM
Maybe a Drag Saw? Ottawa or Vaughn??  :)
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on March 23, 2017, 05:27:03 PM
Its here!  but my phone died. Gotta get a charge in it first. Plus, 4 days of rain coming, so I need to put a tarp over it because the mill is taking up the polebarn at the moment.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: DelawhereJoe on March 23, 2017, 06:09:21 PM
Did you finally find your passepartout atv....?
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on March 23, 2017, 06:35:29 PM
Tammy took a picture when she got home while my phone charges up. :)


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Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: pabst79 on March 23, 2017, 06:57:02 PM
With that wag to the right it looks like something articulated? Iron! I bet its made of iron.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: thecfarm on March 23, 2017, 07:08:12 PM
Why would you buy a brown tarp stored in a barn  ???
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: coxy on March 23, 2017, 07:13:53 PM
 is it used for logging or farming
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on March 23, 2017, 07:16:27 PM
Does this one help?

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Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: thecfarm on March 23, 2017, 07:18:56 PM
No wheels?  :)
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Post by: Bruno of NH on March 23, 2017, 07:21:36 PM
A old tucker snow cat
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Post by: pabst79 on March 23, 2017, 07:24:46 PM
Soooo its got a straight six, is it a old Chevy or GMC 1 1/2 ton? I can't tell how big your brown tarp is  smiley_headscratch
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on March 23, 2017, 07:26:20 PM
I never said it didn't have wheels! When asked how many, I said who said it had wheels? Okay, it do have wheels. 71 year old wheels. And not a Chevy or gmc. Or ford for that matter.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Don P on March 23, 2017, 07:28:32 PM
Floating power 6, that whole overhead valve thing is a passing fad.
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Post by: thecfarm on March 23, 2017, 07:31:02 PM
Does someone from NH own one like it? That would be a female member I am asking about.  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on March 23, 2017, 07:32:48 PM
See if this helps.

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Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: thecfarm on March 23, 2017, 07:35:42 PM
A studabaker!!!
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on March 23, 2017, 07:36:59 PM
Nope. :)
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on March 23, 2017, 07:38:26 PM
It came with an extra engine and a bunch of extra parts. It has a PTO.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: thecfarm on March 23, 2017, 07:40:06 PM
PTO?? most of those trucks that age had a place to hook one up.
Jeep is the word.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Holmes on March 23, 2017, 07:42:37 PM
Is it an old Dodge power wagon?
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on March 23, 2017, 07:50:59 PM
Very warm, but not a power wagon.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Don P on March 23, 2017, 07:53:02 PM
A WC or WD Dodge
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on March 23, 2017, 07:57:00 PM
okay, before you get sick of this.  :)    1946  Dodge 1 ton.  :)   Aint she purty?



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Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Don P on March 23, 2017, 08:00:22 PM
A WD-20 with an L6 floating power engine, run in Chris crafts and even cranes up into the 60's, sweet, you need its older brother  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on March 23, 2017, 08:01:45 PM
Definitely a project.  A DURN FUN PROJECT!!  :)



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Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Holmes on March 23, 2017, 08:07:14 PM
That will be a fun project. :)   The gills in the hood are a great look. 8). Looks like a bag of cement on the drivers seat..
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Bruno of NH on March 23, 2017, 08:22:51 PM
That is nice :)
Would look great with a white oak flat bed with FF lettering painted on old school
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: sprucebunny on March 23, 2017, 08:24:13 PM
Nice  8)

I was thinking the engine looked like the Chrysler Industrial in my 1950 something Bombardier.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Gearbox on March 23, 2017, 08:44:40 PM
Are they 16 or 18 inch wheels . Look the same as Power Wagon wheels . I have never seen a 1 ton Dodge that old . Lots of 1 1/2 ton . Be a nice project . I had a 47 Power Wagon but put a V 8 in it .
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: WmFritz on March 23, 2017, 08:55:48 PM
Somebody's gonna need a barn addition very soon.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Corley5 on March 23, 2017, 08:57:04 PM
 smiley_thumbsup 8) 8)
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on March 23, 2017, 08:58:09 PM
Quote from: Gearbox on March 23, 2017, 08:44:40 PM
Are they 16 or 18 inch wheels . Look the same as Power Wagon wheels .
I dunno yet. Don't really know anything yet!
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Don P on March 23, 2017, 09:24:21 PM
I recognized it from my '35 KCL 1/2 ton, that engine had a long run, I believe it was the first engine with a completely water jacketed block. It was modified through the years but was available in all their light duty trucks from '35 to '60. Mine was a 201 cid 3-1/8 x 4-3/8 stroke, with 70 hp. '35 was the last year of the Glamour series, the '35-1/2 was the first all steel cab with front hinged doors, a '36 cab with '34 hood and fenders.

'36-'38 was the Fore Point series, they moved the drivetrain 8" forward and put the chrome bullet nose on those.

'39-47 was known as the "Job Rated" series of trucks. They have a highly stylized ram hood ornament. You've gotten another motor with a cam, they coaxed it up to 230 cid 3-1/4 x 4-5/8" stroke, 105 hp. And finally, a modern rotor type oil pump! Retail was around $800 new, 17,399 WD-20's built that year. That is the year the Power Wagon was introduced, there's one on my bucket list.

That's a 5,000 lb rear axle, GVW 7,000, larger axle shaft diameter and 4 pinion differential were new that year. Standard was 650x16 six ply fronts and 7.00x16 six ply rears. They did run up to 20" wheels though. The WD 20 had a 120" wheelbase the WD-21 was 133"
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on March 23, 2017, 09:36:21 PM
Sure glad to hear anything I can about it Don.  Here are some pics of part of the spare parts. We have 4 days of rain coming, but first nice day I'm going to get the rest of them. The other engine, two more doors, 2 more running boards, and some other odds and ends.


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Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Magicman on March 23, 2017, 09:44:07 PM
Hey, waitahminute, da sawmill comes first.   :snowball:
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: red on March 23, 2017, 09:45:54 PM
Plans are made to be changed. Life Happens.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: sandhills on March 23, 2017, 09:46:56 PM
Love it! I'd put a camper on that baby!  :)


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Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on March 23, 2017, 09:48:39 PM
Quote from: Magicman on March 23, 2017, 09:44:07 PM
Hey, waitahminute, da sawmill comes first.   :snowball:

Yes it do. :)
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: fishpharmer on March 23, 2017, 09:58:52 PM
That's a beauty 8)
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: coxy on March 24, 2017, 05:59:43 AM
I had typed in doodle bug first that was a close one  :)   then asked logging or farm  just put that copper head gasket some place where someone wont scrap it  ;D have fun with it  will you be driving it to Boonville to the show this year  :D
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Post by: Kbeitz on March 24, 2017, 08:35:57 AM
Wow that body looks to be in great shape.
Are you going to make a flat bed for it ?
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on March 24, 2017, 08:53:54 AM
That's what I am thinking. Or stake rack. I was googling 46 dodge one tons. Wow, some cool looking rigs out there.   My first step will be to find the one missing part I know of so I can get glass in it. Its missing the from split windshield frame. Glass should be no problem as it is all flat.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on March 24, 2017, 08:57:55 AM
Here are the pics as we found it in the barn. it was quite dark in there and I only had the camera flash.


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Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: OntarioAl on March 24, 2017, 09:01:07 AM
Jeff
Nice find going to make a great project.
It is in great shape obviously it spent most of its life where the roads aren't seasoned every winter.
Al
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Ox on March 24, 2017, 09:12:38 AM
Looks like the frame is still in good shape, too!  Good bones is hard to replace.  Fixing rotted frames sucks...  Nice find, I love the lines.  I bet the old girl rides like a lumber wagon! 
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: GAB on March 24, 2017, 10:03:44 AM
I'm thinking you might want to order a gallon or two of Blue Creeper to make your life a little easier.
Gerald
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on March 24, 2017, 10:12:46 AM
A gallon or two of blue creeper would do ten trucks. :)

Quote from: Jeff on March 23, 2017, 08:58:09 PM
Quote from: Gearbox on March 23, 2017, 08:44:40 PM
Are they 16 or 18 inch wheels . Look the same as Power Wagon wheels .
I dunno yet. Don't really know anything yet!

I went out and pulled up the tarp.  they are 16" wheels.  :)
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: GAB on March 24, 2017, 10:35:58 AM
Quote from: Jeff on March 24, 2017, 10:12:46 AM
A gallon or two of blue creeper would do ten trucks. :)

Quote from: Jeff on March 23, 2017, 08:58:09 PM
Quote from: Gearbox on March 23, 2017, 08:44:40 PM
Are they 16 or 18 inch wheels . Look the same as Power Wagon wheels .
I dunno yet. Don't really know anything yet!

I went out and pulled up the tarp.  they are 16" wheels.  :)

Since I have never tackled a project like that, the one to two gallon estimate, was an absolute guesstimate.
Gerald
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: 21incher on March 24, 2017, 01:08:24 PM
Wow you are a great husband buying Tammy another classic truck.  ;D
You going to clean it up and drive like it is, or restore it?
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: coxy on March 24, 2017, 01:38:16 PM
gota  :D :D at the last post  :)
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on March 24, 2017, 03:16:57 PM
Quote from: 21incher on March 24, 2017, 01:08:24 PM
Wow you are a great husband buying Tammy another classic truck.  ;D
You going to clean it up and drive like it is, or restore it?

SHUT UP!  ;D

I dunno yet on what to do with it.  It wasn't raining so I went and uncovered it just to look at it. I like doing that! :)
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: sandhills on March 24, 2017, 03:23:12 PM
Ain't it amazing what us "good" husbands will do for our wives  ;D  I still think you should build a camper for it and drop in for a visit!
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Peter Drouin on March 24, 2017, 07:26:03 PM
Nice truck, 8)
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on March 25, 2017, 08:44:59 AM
Yesterday I got a call that I should come pick up the rest of the extra dodge parts, so off I went. 2 more doors, 3 running boards and the spare engine block.  This block to me appears to be military, but not sure. The other parts are a drab green, so maybe? It seems this tag on it.


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Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Ox on March 25, 2017, 09:54:40 AM
That looks like a military tag to me.  A fresh engine, too, at one time.  The 5 ton 6x6 I owned once had this same style tag on its engine with pertinent information on it.  It seems most of these older military vehicles have been rebuilt at least once in the past.  Looks like the bore stayed the same but the crank had to be turned down .010 and the rods have .010 over bearings.  I wonder if someone took the rods, pistons and crank out of this fresh block and put it in the engine in your truck?  That's like getting a free rebuild of sorts...
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: thechknhwk on March 27, 2017, 01:43:15 AM
It'll look good with a woodmizer behind it. :)
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on April 09, 2017, 03:12:48 PM
https://youtu.be/arNArnxbi5E
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: coxy on April 09, 2017, 04:07:19 PM
thought it was going to be on fire  >:( :)
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Post by: 21incher on April 09, 2017, 05:23:35 PM
I was waiting to see flames come out as you poured the gas in. :o
Don't forget the lead additive for the gas. :)
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Post by: loggah on April 09, 2017, 06:12:18 PM
Jeff, Is it a 218 c.i. motor like in my 1949 tuckers? there pretty much a dodge truck in disguise !!!! ;D ;D Dodge made pretty nice trucks back in the day !!! ;D ;D heres a pix of the Tucker engine.They even used the dodge nose !

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Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: samandothers on April 09, 2017, 06:46:18 PM
I was concerned it was going to back fire through the carb and catch fire too.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on April 09, 2017, 07:12:55 PM
Wet sand and bring some under colors up and clear coat? There are some interesting colors down there. :)


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Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: coxy on April 09, 2017, 10:14:05 PM
 looking good   how do you get all the free help  ??? do you have a big candy jar or a freezer full of ice cream  :)
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Magicman on April 09, 2017, 10:40:28 PM
That multicolored burnished look is awesome. 
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Post by: Logger RK on April 10, 2017, 05:53:37 AM
Looks like that will be a very nice project. Looks like the motor should be good to go with out to much problems. I'm wondering what model Chev that is with the camper on it in a earlier post? My Dad had a Chevy Cheyenne back when I was a kid.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on April 11, 2017, 05:23:21 PM
Interesting find in the pile of parts that came with the truck.


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Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Corley5 on April 11, 2017, 05:39:45 PM
That's  8)  Don't breathe any dust from them  :)
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Dave Shepard on April 11, 2017, 05:43:24 PM
Yeah, they weren't kidding. You get the linings.,and maybe some rivets if you're lucky. ;D
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on April 11, 2017, 05:48:23 PM
 Predrilled with rivets. :)

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Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: loggah on April 12, 2017, 04:49:06 PM
Real Asbestos brake lining ! they will work better then new ones . :)
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on April 12, 2017, 06:45:51 PM
Heck I don't even know if they need relined yet. Everything is unhooked and the master cylinder is gone.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Czech_Made on April 13, 2017, 07:02:41 AM
Quote from: loggah on April 12, 2017, 04:49:06 PM
Real Asbestos brake lining ! they will work better then new ones . :)

That!
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on April 20, 2017, 06:57:52 PM
DIY seat cover. Tammy and I decided to take on fixing up the original seat for our 46 Dodge truck. I did some welding on the frame and fixed the springs, then cleaned and painted it. Then we worked together to recover. I first used a PVC screen material sewn to the top to even out the springs in place of the old burlap, then a dense fiberfill matting for softening. We thought about vinyl for the cover, and stll might at some point, but used a bolt of material Tammy had on hand. It's denim. We'll take the seat back out and store it until it's ready to go in and stay, but wanted to try it out once first!


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Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Ljohnsaw on April 20, 2017, 07:37:37 PM
I like it!  Nothing like using what's on hand.  I much prefer a cloth seat to vinyl/leather.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Dave Shepard on April 20, 2017, 09:38:08 PM
Can you get a cheap registration for it so you can take it on the road once in a while?
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on April 20, 2017, 09:45:58 PM
Its a long ways from the road. I have to get a master cylinder and all new brake lines. I've not had a wheel off yet to see what the brakes them selves look like. Right now, it's mostly just art.  :D


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Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: newoodguy78 on April 20, 2017, 10:02:26 PM
Nice job on the seat looks great 8)
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: DelawhereJoe on April 20, 2017, 10:05:22 PM
Are you going to upgrade the brakes to 4 wheel disk or keep drums on the corners and your Flintstones emergency floor braking spot, that I saw in one of the other pics ?
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: thecfarm on April 21, 2017, 05:46:31 AM
Seat looks good.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Kbeitz on April 21, 2017, 06:00:34 AM
This is on E-bay right now....

Centric Brake Master Cylinder New Ram Truck Dodge D100 Pickup 130.81004


Brake Master Cylinder-PG Plus Professional Grade New Raybestos MC544

And...

1946-1954 Dodge Brake Overhaul Rebuild Kit
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on April 21, 2017, 06:45:36 AM
Quote from: DelawhereJoe on April 20, 2017, 10:05:22 PM
Are you going to upgrade the brakes to 4 wheel disk or keep drums on the corners and your Flintstones emergency floor braking spot, that I saw in one of the other pics ?

The existing style brake system designed for a truck destined never to go over 50 miles per hour should be adequate. The emergency brake system is a driveshaft brake.  The big hole in thee floor is not a hole. It is the battery area that does not have a cover on it. The floor itself is completely solid.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: coxy on April 21, 2017, 07:14:09 AM
how long do you think it will take you to drive it to NY to the show  :)
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on April 21, 2017, 07:37:07 AM
If I leave now, by Nevuary 32nd I should be there.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: red on April 21, 2017, 08:39:51 AM
www.mpbrakes.com aka master brakes is one supplier of conversation kit, that are not cheap but quality parts
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: samandothers on April 21, 2017, 09:06:37 AM
Great job on the seat!  Wow, How did you clean the springs?  The denim is a nice touch, may need a pocket somewhere  :D

Hope you have plenty of Blue Creeper!
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on April 21, 2017, 09:10:14 AM
No plans on converting. No money for that. If I was going to do a conversion, it would be to put it on a modern chasis.i just want a running driving old truck.

The springs were pressure washed then painted with rustoleum rust converter spray paint
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Magicman on April 21, 2017, 09:11:32 AM
Yes the seat looks good and that comment about the "pocket" made me chuckle.   :D
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on April 21, 2017, 09:20:51 AM
Probably the first thing I do will be to put a modern fuse block in so it doesn't burn down. The old cloth covered wire is shot. I had to disconnect the battery when one of the wires under the dash shorted on a the choke cable. The wiring in this old truck is pretty simplistic, so changing all of it will be a priority.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Ox on April 21, 2017, 10:08:59 AM
I think that is a very good idea.  Also a small ABC extinguisher would be a good 3rd passenger for a while, eh?  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Farmerjw on April 21, 2017, 10:57:54 AM
Jeff,  good looking old truck.  I traded off my '48 Ford F3 a few years ago and have kicked my butt ever since.  So I bought a '62 International Farm truck to use here on our little farm.  Looked at a '57 Chevy ton truck the other day.  Keeping it in the back of my mind.  Very nice on the seat!  My IH's seat looks similar to the way yours did.  Enjoying this thread, keep us informed please.





Jon
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Post by: Delawhere Jack on April 21, 2017, 11:35:03 AM
Don't know how I didn't see this thread earlier. I know you said "no conversion", but have a look at this.



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One of my milling clients from years back put his on an early 90's 1ton chassis. His was a 1945. It was built for the military but sold to the public when the war ended.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on April 21, 2017, 04:48:16 PM
First test of the cooling system. Um....



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Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: coxy on April 21, 2017, 05:23:46 PM
just stick a piece of bubble gum on there  :D
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on April 21, 2017, 07:18:17 PM
I was going to hit it with the wire welder until I started to clean it up.


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Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Mooseherder on April 21, 2017, 08:08:06 PM
It won't hold the Pepper fix. :D
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on April 21, 2017, 08:44:56 PM
Nope, and I'd bet there are more if I kept wire brushing. :)
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Mooseherder on April 21, 2017, 08:48:22 PM
Look like the previous feller got everything out of that poor clamp and the pipe failed instead. ;D
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: chet on April 21, 2017, 09:11:37 PM
Quote from: Jeff on April 21, 2017, 07:18:17 PM
I was going to hit it with the wire welder until I started to clean it up.


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Been there done that.  :D  Easy fix, have the local muffler shop bent ya a pipe ta match.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on April 21, 2017, 10:20:08 PM
Dats da plan Chet! :)
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Post by: Jeff on April 23, 2017, 03:50:57 PM
Scraping, wirebrushing, grinding sanding, cleaning, FRAME PAINTING!


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Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Just Me on April 23, 2017, 04:31:06 PM
 A muffler shop pipe will have a kink. Ask the parts store for a mandrel bent piece or order just the pieces you need from Summit Racing. Summit is very dependable.

I sold a 47 a couple of years ago, did not want to mess with the originality and it was too slow to do what I wanted it for. Not the fastest rigs with that motor to be sure. You will get run over on I 75!

There is one sitting in Roger City on the north side of town at that oil company, and I think it has a factory visor.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: chet on April 23, 2017, 04:48:45 PM
Quote from: Just Me on April 23, 2017, 04:31:06 PM
A muffler shop pipe will have a kink.

The muffler shop I use has a mandrel and custom bends, he even stocks seamless pipe.   :)
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on April 23, 2017, 05:33:46 PM
Not a single muffler shop in Mt. Pleasant. Had 1.5 inch pipe. It is obsolete. I found a full hose that worked.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: coxy on April 23, 2017, 07:14:29 PM
just watch it don't hit the fan when it gets hot and bends down that's what happened to me on a 72 blazer I put rubber in place of metal and didn't work out so well
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Magicman on April 23, 2017, 10:13:31 PM
Either patch/braze up the holes or use your ends and adapt up to 2".
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Just Me on April 24, 2017, 07:52:26 AM
https://www.summitracing.com/search/part-type/exhaust-pipes-individual-bends?N=4294887580
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on April 24, 2017, 07:53:05 AM
Quote from: coxy on April 23, 2017, 07:14:29 PM
just watch it don't hit the fan when it gets hot and bends down that's what happened to me on a 72 blazer I put rubber in place of metal and didn't work out so well
It should be good. I can't even push it into the fan. The radiator tube on the bottom angles aup and away from the radiator, and the hose has a kick in it.



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Lynn, I considered that, but the pipe was riddled with holes and my concern was even if I got them all patched, I didn't know where the new ones were going to appear.

The hose was only $12 plus two good clamps.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Magicman on April 24, 2017, 08:21:52 AM
Yup, you are good.   :)
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Just Me on April 24, 2017, 03:40:01 PM
If you want to convert it to 12 Volt here is a pulley that will allow you to stay with the 5/8" belt and use a GM 1 wire alternator. I converted mine and left the starter 6 volt with no issues, but it started with just a bump.

http://www.speedwaymotors.com/GM-Alternator-5-8-Inch-Wide-Alternator-Belt-Pulley-Plain,1868.html

Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on April 24, 2017, 03:47:49 PM
I've thought about it, but if I convert it, then I have to worry about the coil and distributer, all the gauges and lights. I do know that the 6volt starter is probably the only thing that I wouldn't have to be concerned with. The other plus side about 12 volt though, is I need to replace most of the wiring anyhow, and the 12volt would not require near as heavy wire as 6.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on April 24, 2017, 03:48:35 PM
Does anyone out there have a junk yard near them that might possible have one of these old dodges in it?
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Just Me on April 24, 2017, 07:18:08 PM
 The distributor does not care and you can swap out a 12 volt coil. Gauges, we don't need no stink'in gauges!

What parts are you looking for? Does that have the crank out windshield? If so treat it with tender loving care, very hard to find in good shape.

Look for a product called OSHPHO. They carry it in the parts store in Indian River and I use it all the time. It is made in Michigan, its a rapid oxidizer that eats the rust but leaves the good metal alone. I drop parts in it for 10 minutes to 4 hours depending on how bad the part is, rinse it off and blow it with the air gun, let dry and its ready for paint. Much better than trying to sand small odd parts. I spray it on before final sanding of body panels when painting as well, kills the rust in pits that can come back to haunt you.

I have always wanted to check out that junkyard by you that you can see from 127, but not sure how to get to it. Tried one day but ended back up in Harrison.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on April 24, 2017, 08:23:33 PM
Yea, the crank out windshield frame. :-\

HAPPY DAY!
I didn't know if it would run when I bought it and neither did the guy I bought it from. I got it to fire a couple weeks ago, but today was the day to earnestly try and make it run.
HAPPY DAY!
https://youtu.be/tWhRYHhWaWs

https://youtu.be/vDzqPksGlkE
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: thecfarm on April 24, 2017, 08:55:16 PM
That sounds good. Mighty good!!!!!    8)
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Dave Shepard on April 24, 2017, 09:04:04 PM
 8)
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Magicman on April 24, 2017, 09:31:33 PM
It idles with authority.   :snowball:
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Delawhere Jack on April 24, 2017, 09:40:32 PM
 smiley_clapping
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: newoodguy78 on April 24, 2017, 09:42:38 PM
Nice work that old rig sounds great, keep it up and you'll be cruising the backroads in no time  8) Any idea of the last time it ran?
It's crazy to look down beside the engine block and see the ground under the truck...
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on April 24, 2017, 09:45:20 PM
The last licence plate on it was 1973. :)
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: newoodguy78 on April 24, 2017, 09:51:08 PM
Good grief that makes it even more impressive. Especially since that's 5 years before I was born  :o
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Delawhere Jack on April 24, 2017, 09:55:27 PM
I've watched those vids a second time, and I think this is a fake. How can that engine possibly run without a:

Mass airflow sensor
EGR valve
PCV valve
Idle air bypass valve
No injectors
No crank position sensor
At least one, if not two O2 sensors
No cats
No knock sensor
No thin film thingamabob on the distributor
No ECU
No auxiliary ECU

You almost had me there Jeff...... Must have cost a fortune to create the CGI footage of this fictional engine that runs without the least bit of modern technology.....

;)

Next you'll be telling us that the truck didn't have airbags, seatbelts or even AC...
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on April 24, 2017, 10:07:24 PM
The airbag was pictured multiple times in both videos.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: thecfarm on April 25, 2017, 05:43:44 AM
I betcha it doesn't have that switch to make the blinker switch go back to its neutral position after making a turn either.  ;D No FM radio either as standard equipment.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Peter Drouin on April 25, 2017, 07:06:57 AM
Nice it runs, 8) 8)
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on April 25, 2017, 07:21:07 AM
Quote from: Delawhere Jack on April 24, 2017, 09:55:27 PM
Next you'll be telling us that the truck didn't have airbags, seatbelts or even AC...

Not sure how I'll manage with the truck heater. I will actually have to reach down and open these little doors that keep the heat in if I want it to come out, and almost as bad, I have to close them back up if I want it to stay in!


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Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: sandhills on April 25, 2017, 11:46:54 AM
Jeff, a guy about 20 miles away from me has a boneyard with acres and acres of trucks I'd be surprised if he didn't have a few of those, what are you looking for?  Nice to see her running!
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Dave Shepard on April 25, 2017, 12:51:55 PM
At least it has delay wipers, if the operator is paying attention.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Darrel on April 25, 2017, 10:34:35 PM
 Old trucks brings back so many good memories.  There were so many of them when I was a kid. I thought that they were old then but I really didn't know what old was. A fully restored truck is really cool to look at and so is a nice rod. But take an old truck, fix it up a bit, get it running, and let it wear its battle scars with pride. Think about the stories it would tell if it could.

Jeff, you have gotten yourself a real treasure from the past. Thanks for taking the rest of us along for the ride!
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Ljohnsaw on April 25, 2017, 11:26:34 PM
Quote from: Dave Shepard on April 25, 2017, 12:51:55 PM
At least it has delay wipers, if the operator is paying attention.

I remember my dad's old chevy wagon.  It had vacuum operated wipers.  They would slow down or stop when trying to accelerate up a steep hill...
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on April 26, 2017, 08:16:14 AM
Surprise surprise. 46 has all left hand thread lug nuts. At least on the back. I was going to check on the brake shoes, and now see it's not as easy as pulling a wheel and slipping a drum off. Time to pull some axles :)


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Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Ljohnsaw on April 26, 2017, 09:44:37 AM
Quote from: Jeff on April 26, 2017, 08:16:14 AM
Surprise surprise. 46 has all left hand thread lug nuts.
Not surprise to me!  My 1965 Davis Little Monster has '46 Dodge brake drums, so I've been told by a friend who is an old Dodge expert.  Then, to get the drum off, my puller just bent.  I had to borrow his and use a BIG sledge to tighten the puller.  Came off with a mighty BANG!  I'm amazed that the studs didn't snap under the stress.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Magicman on April 26, 2017, 09:58:25 AM
Our truck was LH on one side and RH on the other.   smiley_dizzy
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on April 26, 2017, 11:06:34 AM
The studs are part of the drum, so I can see both sides being the same. I'll have to pay close attention and assume nothing when I eventually get to the front.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on April 26, 2017, 11:26:22 AM
Artsy Fartsy Dodge.


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Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: thecfarm on April 26, 2017, 08:49:52 PM
I can remember a Dodge car my Brother had that had a "L" on the end of the stud and an "R" on the stud on the other side of the car.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: plowboyswr on April 26, 2017, 10:21:57 PM
The ole '65 ford in my avitar has left hand threaded studs on the left side of the truck and right hand threads on the right. The neighbor's '59 GMC 2 ton is the same way. Truck is looking and sounding good.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: sandhills on April 26, 2017, 10:58:35 PM
Yes, unfortunately I still get to drive an'73 old freight shaker the same way  :D
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Weekend_Sawyer on April 27, 2017, 06:45:15 AM

Jeff,

I really like the pictures you have been posting lately, Can you tell us how you do it?

On LH lug nuts, they usually have a score mark around them in the middle of the nut.

Jon
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Dana on April 27, 2017, 07:34:22 AM
I had a 46. The front will be the same.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on April 27, 2017, 08:15:34 AM
Everything I find, the right side should be right handed threads. This tels me at some point, the right hub was replaced, and replaced with a lefthand hub.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: coxy on April 27, 2017, 04:25:09 PM
jeff I hope this truck don't turn you to the left ;)  :D 8)
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Ljohnsaw on April 27, 2017, 06:52:05 PM
Jeff,
Just a thought...  Did you pull the front drums off yet?  Are they both right handed? ;)
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on April 27, 2017, 07:16:17 PM
Not yet, but front drums are not the same as the back, so, not what yet thinking.  :)
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on April 27, 2017, 09:26:52 PM
Ready for some new shoes!


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Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: PC-Urban-Sawyer on April 28, 2017, 11:14:43 AM
Quote from: Jeff on April 27, 2017, 09:26:52 PM
Ready for some new shoes!

Wingtips or brogans?

;D

Looking good.

Herb
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on April 28, 2017, 11:47:45 AM
Quote from: sandhills on April 25, 2017, 11:46:54 AM
Jeff, a guy about 20 miles away from me has a boneyard with acres and acres of trucks I'd be surprised if he didn't have a few of those, what are you looking for?  Nice to see her running!

Sent you a PM, not sure you got it.  I'm looking for the windshield frame assembly and running boards.  I got 3 running boards with it, and turns out, none of them are for this truck.

Oh, i don't need a horn!!
https://youtu.be/hhgObq1jFL4
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: sandhills on April 28, 2017, 12:30:46 PM
Sorry Jeff, I got your pm and another wanting his number, I'll get a hold of him today but been busy with work, calving, and now of coarse we're having our end of April blizzard  ::).  I'll see what I can come up with.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on April 28, 2017, 09:52:21 PM
One more little step. Horn all blasted, reassembled and painted. It got louder! It's a great horn.


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Here is the next little project. The aforementioned heater. All torn apart. Turns out, it has a fan. And it works. Lots of elbow grease goona be needed on this one!

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Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Darrel on April 28, 2017, 10:57:03 PM
Hey Jeff, the old horn looks as good as it sounds! 8) 8) 8)

And you got the whole weekend to work on the heater!

You da MAN!!!
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on April 29, 2017, 09:12:39 PM
This weekend's project.


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Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Peter Drouin on April 29, 2017, 10:13:39 PM
Looking good, nice paint,  8) 8)
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Post by: thechknhwk on April 29, 2017, 11:27:22 PM
How'd ya get it cleaned up so nice?
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on April 30, 2017, 07:12:45 AM
Power washer cleaned the paint off the aluminum cover, followed by sandpaper and a wire brush followed by sandpaper for the steel parts. Every screw and every bolt was cleaned.  I used a rustoleum "hammered" spray paint on the cover and hand pinned striped the steel art deco bands on the front and doors. I had to rewire the old motor as the cloth covered wire was in bad shape.  Heater core was flushed and blown clean, tested and painted. Its all good to go some day!  I won't be putting it back into the truck until the truck is ready for it.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Magicman on April 30, 2017, 08:39:01 AM
Looks/sounds good.

I see your medical stash in the 4th picture.   :o   :D
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: coxy on April 30, 2017, 08:53:34 AM
lookin good    the heater box looks like the old speakers at the drive in movies 
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: sandhills on April 30, 2017, 11:02:44 AM
I want your vice!  Tried to buy a good old anvil on an auction a few weeks ago but knew I wouldn't be there, didn't leave a high enough bid  :-\.  That heater turned great!
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Don P on April 30, 2017, 07:25:03 PM
Looking good Jeff  8)
Hold on to those running boards if you can until you can ID the year, I know mine are shot.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on May 01, 2017, 08:38:01 PM
 Ain't it purty?
Forgot to take a picture of the new brakes hanging on it before putting on the hub. I still have the other side to do.

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Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Delawhere Jack on May 03, 2017, 07:44:50 PM
Built before the age of "planned obsolescence". Cool!!

It's coming along quickly too.  ;)
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Post by: petefrom bearswamp on May 05, 2017, 08:30:50 AM
Been watching this with interest
Very labor intensive, good thing you have good help
Great job Jeff.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on May 05, 2017, 07:40:56 PM
Last plated in 1973, so this may be the first time in 40 years it moved under its own power. I gotta figure out that whine.  It goes away when I push in the clutch.  Maybe low on gear lube? throw out bearing mebby?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U93DDEmXesE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i70CIVrlO4M
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: pineywoods on May 05, 2017, 08:37:54 PM
Sounds like one or more cylinders not firing.. Plugs? burnt/stuck exhaust valve ? Run a compression check..Valves gonna be a problem..Those old beasts need lead in the fuel to lube the valves. Unleaded/ethanol will burn the exhaust valves pretty quickly...The whine in the tranny may be the spur gear on that pto hanging off the side...Lookin GOOD
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on May 05, 2017, 08:46:29 PM
It was running on all of them, it missed a couple times though. Just have a gas line dipped in a gas can. Its cold out here too and I never tried to let it warm up. It's only the 40s. You'd miss too. :D

It was running over 40 lbs of oil pressure on the old gauge.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Darrel on May 05, 2017, 09:05:02 PM
When I was a kid, my dad had an old 49 Plymouth that made the same sound. My first car was a 54 Plymouth and it also made the sound.  Put your foot on the clutch and it would stop. On my car, it didn't make the whining sound while driving only did it while idling foot off clutch. My dad sad all mopar cars of that era did that and not to worry. So I didn't. Now though, I'd at least find out what it is.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on May 05, 2017, 09:08:01 PM
I could fix it by putting in a radio.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Darrel on May 05, 2017, 09:13:52 PM
 smiley_singsongnote02 smiley_guitarist smiley_trap_drummer Violin_smiley horn_smiley
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Magicman on May 05, 2017, 09:23:19 PM
It should not be the throw out bearing because it should not even be turning unless the clutch is depressed.  I'd say that your whine is in the transmission.  You were in neutral so it may not whine when the transmission is in gear and the truck is moving.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: sandhills on May 06, 2017, 12:07:31 AM
Does it whine in neutral if the pto is engaged?
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on May 06, 2017, 06:57:41 AM
Dunno. I'll have to try that.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on May 06, 2017, 07:48:28 PM
Ventured a bit farther out the back of the shop today. Still no brakes, so gotta use the key and the engine to stop.
https://youtu.be/zD5S8A4XrW0
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: coxy on May 06, 2017, 08:54:45 PM
after sitting 40+years the bearings maybe a little dry let it run for a while and see if it goes away
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: red on May 06, 2017, 09:00:15 PM
They never heard of 5w-30 engine oil , more like straight 30w oil. With a can of STP.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on May 06, 2017, 10:02:17 PM
I changed the transmission lube. There was quite a bit of metallic particles in the hollow of the drain plug. I been working on the inside of the cab too. A little here, a little there.


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Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: grouch on May 07, 2017, 12:49:57 AM
Gorgeous old truck. That looks like a special barn find!

Vacuum wipers? I can remember the whining transmission in my Dad's old gray goat and the heater that would scald your legs but let the rest of you freeze.

Not to be a killjoy, but I'd be worried about the lead in the original paint when sanding. There's not enough to do much to us old farts, but it can affect kids.

[Edit to ask:]
Did Ford or Chevy ever make a flathead with the spark plugs in pairs like that?

I know on my '49 Olds (http://edge-op.org/1949_Oldsmobile/index.php?page=408) they're evenly spaced. The only flathead Fords I've seen have been tractors -- even spacing -- and flathead V8s in hotrods -- also evenly spaced.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on May 14, 2017, 07:36:09 PM
This week i worked on more clean up. Front frame and firewall. Firewall is now red. I've decided to go the 12volt changeover route. Anybody got a one wire delco alternator with a 5/8 pulley?  :)


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Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: coxy on May 14, 2017, 09:08:45 PM
are you trying to make it go faster by putting a gm part on there i think that's what one of my jd 350 dozer has is a 5/8 i know the other one has a fat belt with a narrow pulley and gives me no issues
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Post by: Gearbox on May 14, 2017, 09:22:18 PM
Jeff try one of the generator pulley they may be the same bore . A rebuilder can order pulley to fit I used 5/8 belt on old tractor and the rebuilder ordered the right pulley .
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Don P on May 14, 2017, 09:31:33 PM
I think you'll need a ballast resistor in there as well. It's been awhile since I did the tractor I think I put a 12v coil on and the resistor was in the distributor feed
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on May 14, 2017, 09:33:32 PM
I need the whole alternator. Might as well switch. All the lights are toast, the voltage regulator is toast, no idea if the gen is any good. So, 12 volt seems s best solution. Need resistors only for guages.  With the one wire delco, wont need the regulator and a 12 volt coil is cheap.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: grouch on May 15, 2017, 12:06:04 AM
Quote from: Jeff on May 14, 2017, 07:36:09 PM
This week i worked on more clean up. Front frame and firewall. Firewall is now red. I've decided to go the 12volt changeover route. Anybody got a one wire delco alternator with a 5/8 pulley?  :)


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Are you sure you want a 1-wire?

One wire compared to three wire (http://www.madelectrical.com/electricaltech/onewire-threewire.shtml)

Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: grouch on May 15, 2017, 12:15:04 AM
Quote from: Jeff on May 14, 2017, 09:33:32 PM
I need the whole alternator. Might as well switch. All the lights are toast, the voltage regulator is toast, no idea if the gen is any good. So, 12 volt seems s best solution. Need resistors only for guages.  With the one wire delco, wont need the regulator and a 12 volt coil is cheap.

Even surplus center alternators (http://www.surpluscenter.com/Engines/Engine-Accessories/Alternators/12-VDC-95-AMP-DEUTZ-04124782-LETRIKA-11-204-136-ALTERNATOR-28-1880.axd) include the voltage regulator. You could probably throw a dart into the local pick-a-part salvage yard and it'd land on a vehicle with the voltage regulator on or in a 3-wire alternator.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: red on May 15, 2017, 08:05:41 AM
When changing over to 12 volt,  I think most people leave the starter 6 volt. It really turns over fast.
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Post by: Jeff on May 15, 2017, 08:52:19 AM
Yes, the starter can stay. The only question I have on it would be, going from positive ground 6volt to negative ground 12 volt, will it run backwards when swapping he power wire to the positive on the 12volt?
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: grouch on May 15, 2017, 09:06:56 AM
I couldn't get this out of my head. I changed my slant six over from the original 1st gen electronic ignition -- with self-melting modules -- to AC/Delco salvaged from an '80 Renault LeCar (that should tell you how common that system is). It eliminated the need for the ballast resistor and eliminated the need to always carry a spare module.

Your flathead can be converted to electronic ignition if you're converting to 12v negative ground.

DIY: Desoto upgrade (http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/mopar-flathead-6-distributor-upgrade-48-desoto.653565/) (There was a follow-up on another forum, but that follow-up forum has per day page view limits for guests).

Bought distributor and HEI coil: Stovebolt Mopar "Mini" HEI (http://www.langdonsstovebolt.com/store/#!/Stovebolt-Mopar-Mini-HEI/p/1222043/category=18665979)

Oh, and for your dash:

12V to 6V 3A converter (https://www.amazon.com/DROK-Waterproof-Efficiency-Converter-Voltage/dp/B00CGQRIFG/ref=pd_cp_23_1?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B00CGQRIFG&pd_rd_r=2VJFVV2XS1BCXQ1NBJ3J&pd_rd_w=GGn5u&pd_rd_wg=Yo98h&psc=1&refRID=2VJFVV2XS1BCXQ1NBJ3J)
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Darrel on May 15, 2017, 09:53:57 AM
Quote from: Jeff on May 15, 2017, 08:52:19 AM
Yes, the starter can stay. The only question I have on it would be, going from positive ground 6volt to negative ground 12 volt, will it run backwards when swapping he power wire to the positive on the 12volt?

Yes, the starter will turn backwards in a hurry. Probably not the best option.
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Post by: pineywoods on May 15, 2017, 09:58:52 AM
Quote from: Darrel on May 15, 2017, 09:53:57 AM
Quote from: Jeff on May 15, 2017, 08:52:19 AM
Yes, the starter can stay. The only question I have on it would be, going from positive ground 6volt to negative ground 12 volt, will it run backwards when swapping he power wire to the positive on the 12volt?

Yes, the starter will turn backwards in a hurry. Probably not the best option.

NOpe, I think you will find the starter will work just fine on +12 volts. Think you will find you need the dropping resistor with a 12 volt coil unless you go with electronic ignition. So-called 12 volt coils are designed to require 10 volts or so when running, full 12 volts when cranking. Without the resistor, will have problems burning points and coils...Instruments..amp meter will work just fine on 12, oil pressure, temp and fuel gauge need the 6 volt regulator...Wiper motor is probably vacuum, might want to change that to 12 volt electric. Turn signals may or may not work on 12, depends on the blinker, easy enough to change..
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Post by: Ox on May 15, 2017, 10:28:13 AM
I've done this conversion on several old tractors.  Nothing has to be changed to the starter.  When you change everything over to 12 volt negative ground, everything for the starter just stays the same.  It won't know the difference.

All the other stuff the others mentioned about resistors for your gauges and stuff like that still applies.  I'm assuming this is for the little bulb that lights the gauge up?  These should be mechanical gauges being this old.  Only electrical running gauge would be the ammeter probably.  That'll need changing for the 12 volts.  Run a resistor to this to bring it to 6 volts will never let you know if your 12 volt system is failing.
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Post by: Magicman on May 15, 2017, 10:52:18 AM
I accidentally installed the battery "backwards" in a positive ground 1949 Chevy truck.  The starter worked and it still cranked fine but the generator gauge pegged backwards.  :o  Yup, I had to pull the battery and turn it around.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: grouch on May 15, 2017, 11:17:23 AM
You'll need to change the starter solenoid to 12v -- either before or after the 6v one smokes.

Using resistors to drop from 12v to 6v is not nice, especially for gauges. The voltage will vary all over the place. See E=IR.

My '80 Dodge used the same vibrating leaf in a can IVR found in lots of vehicles of its age and older and every gauge indicated a rough guess. Using a solid state regulator, such as a 7805 (good for up to 1A loads), gives consistent results regardless of load, battery condition, temp, etc. Making your own low power (3A or less) dc-dc converter doesn't make much sense now, though, because you can buy 'em for about what the components to make 'em cost.

Any bulbs will need to be swapped for 12v bulbs or they'll fry, sooner or later. I'd go LED just because of the cool factor of having them on *that* truck.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Ox on May 15, 2017, 11:33:45 AM
I thought this old truck had the button type starter switch like the old tractors had?  If so it'll be alright.  The 6 volt actually draws more amps doing the same work as 12 volt.  Twice as much, in fact.  :)  It's good you're able to think about things like that, it never entered my mind.  Maybe cause subconsciously I never had any problems with the old tractors and I figured this old truck isn't much more than an old tractor with higher gears and a cab on it!  :D

I've been enjoying following your other posts with all the pics, grouch.  Keep em coming!  we all like pics i think!  8)
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on May 15, 2017, 12:14:47 PM
Quote from: grouch on May 15, 2017, 11:17:23 AM
You'll need to change the starter solenoid to 12v -- either before or after the 6v one smokes.

The starter solenoid is human. Foot starter peddle/ switch.  :)
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: grouch on May 15, 2017, 12:16:52 PM
Ox:
Are we talking about the same thing? I was thinking of the solenoid (a.k.a. bendix) on the starter that engages the gear rather than the solenoid (relay) that uses a small current to send the big current from battery to starter. They're both just big electro-magnets, but the one is moving a gear and the other is just closing contacts.

[Nevermind. Just got that "warning" and I see Jeff has answered it. Been ages since I saw a starter peddle].



Thanks for the kind words about my photos. They're always too dark, too light or just weird colors.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Ox on May 15, 2017, 12:26:57 PM
I see what you're saying, with the solenoid operated bendix on the starter - got one on the old Oliver.  The old tractors didn't have starters like this, just the starter motor itself that threw the bendix gear out to the flywheel with the twisting of the shaft when you hit the button.

I'm guessing this old truck is the latter starter, and Jeff said it's the old pedal switch so I think it's good to go with no modifications required.  It'll crank like it should with no problems.  Actually, one can crank surprisingly long on a 6 volt starter with 12 volts running it without anything burning up.  The old stuff is just built better and heavier.  Of course, a properly maintained engine will not have to crank more than a few seconds.  Ever.  :laugh:
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Post by: grouch on May 15, 2017, 12:56:59 PM
Cleanup after this paint job was really easy.

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Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: snowstorm on May 15, 2017, 02:35:10 PM
Quote from: Don P on May 14, 2017, 09:31:33 PM
I think you'll need a ballast resistor in there as well. It's been awhile since I did the tractor I think I put a 12v coil on and the resistor was in the distributor feed
if you are using points you are correct
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Post by: Jeff on May 15, 2017, 02:55:24 PM
Doesn't that depend on the coil on needing a ballast resister?
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Post by: Ox on May 15, 2017, 05:29:54 PM
To add to the confusion, I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that every coil is 6 volts initially.  The coils rated for 12 volts have an internal resistor that brings it to 6 volts.  The coils rated for 6 volts simply don't have the resistor in there.

Anyway - if you're wanting to use this same 6 volt coil, you'll need to put a ballast resistor inline somewhere for the coil + wire.  I used the ballast resistor for the older Dodge pickups - in the 70s.  They used to be cheap but last one I remember paying around $15 or something.  I'd go to a boneyard and find one off something. 

The points don't care if it's 6 or 12 volts.  Neither does the condenser.  But I would put new ones in anyway.  A weak condenser really makes things run poorly.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: snowstorm on May 15, 2017, 06:02:52 PM
Back in the 70,s mopar used a ballast resister of it had points.
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Post by: thecfarm on May 15, 2017, 09:33:29 PM
I don't remember anyone talking much about the starters on the conversion to 12 volts on those old Ford tractors.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: grouch on May 16, 2017, 01:29:22 AM
Quote from: snowstorm on May 15, 2017, 06:02:52 PM
Back in the 70,s mopar used a ballast resister of it had points.

And into the 80s even if it had no points. :) My '80 Dodge truck came with electronic ignition and ballast resistor. I switched it over to the later generation GM electronic ignition (common as grains of sand) and bypassed that ballast. The parts are screwed to the fender well about a handspan away from the distributor and coil. The original system is still in place and can be reactivated by moving a couple of wire connectors.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: snowstorm on May 16, 2017, 05:51:40 AM
Quote from: Jeff on May 15, 2017, 02:55:24 PM
Doesn't that depend on the coil on needing a ballast resister?
some coils can have it built in. battery voltage with the motor running and charging as it should  13.7. the resister cuts the voltage to the points so they can live
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Don P on May 16, 2017, 07:07:45 AM
Quote from: grouch on May 16, 2017, 01:29:22 AM
Quote from: snowstorm on May 15, 2017, 06:02:52 PM
Back in the 70,s mopar used a ballast resister of it had points.

And into the 80s even if it had no points. :) My '80 Dodge truck came with electronic ignition and ballast resistor. I switched it over to the later generation GM electronic ignition (common as grains of sand) and bypassed that ballast. The parts are screwed to the fender well about a handspan away from the distributor and coil. The original system is still in place and can be reactivated by moving a couple of wire connectors.

Same here on my '80 far muse truck. I think that circuit supplied a hot spark with the key in crank and then cut it back down in the run position. I might have that resistor on a crusher bound truck here, its a 76 or 78 Dodge I think. Holler if needed and I'll take a look.
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Post by: Magicman on May 16, 2017, 07:31:34 AM
Yup, they started on 12V and ran on 6V,  It was a sure sign that the resistor had failed when the engine started while you were cranking and died when you released the starter/key.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: pineywoods on May 16, 2017, 10:05:21 AM
Hey guys, a 46 dodge ain't gonna have key start unless somebody installed it.  Big ole knob on the floor that is linked directly to heavy contacts in the starter..No solenoid involved. Just install a 12 volt battery and don't worry about the starter.
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Post by: bigred1951 on May 16, 2017, 10:36:12 AM
My 51 gmc has 12 volt battery. Not sure if the coil is 12 volt or not. But still running old generator and starter. Has a little resistor on the firewall. It also has the push button stater on the floor by the gas pedal
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on May 16, 2017, 09:21:22 PM
 

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Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: thechknhwk on May 16, 2017, 09:53:03 PM
Drop a 12v cummins in that bad boy and put a dump bed on it with drop sides :D :D :D ;D
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Post by: grouch on May 17, 2017, 04:54:27 AM
That red firewall looks sharp against that dark body.

Are there any rust issues at all in the sheet metal? Fender wells? Sills around windows and doors? Under trim? I haven't seen any rot in any of the photos posted. Heckuva barn find.

Will you be saving (ziploc bag or something) any original parts that you replace with more modern ones? I can see some museum director 100 years from now cackling like a maniac at finding that truck and a pile of parts.

Got any closeups of the latches on the butterfly hood?
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Post by: Don P on May 17, 2017, 06:31:08 AM
Not wanting to break in on Grouch's comments, cause I want to see that but it wanted to confirm on the starter question before I head out. A closeup of the hood ornament would be cool too. That is a stylized ram.

I looked at the tractor, I did switch to negative ground and the starter works fine. I also noticed the resistor and either I had a brain fart or something didn't pan out... oldtimers can't remember which, I bypassed it and haven't been replacing points. Not huge use but several hundred hours since the changeover without issue that I know of.
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Post by: Jeff on May 17, 2017, 08:39:54 AM
There are two or three areas of concern for rust. First and worst is the "mouse house". Its the inside upper cowl and roof assembly that houses the windshield hinges and windshield wiper motors and controls. I cut the cowl off and repaired it, I now have to cut out a portion of the upper roof where the cowl pinch welds to it and put in a patch panel. This I'm scared to do, as if I fail, I'd have to get someone to fix my screw up. Still up in the air on if I will try. Here is a photo of the area before I started and a picture of my repaired cowl and patch panel ready to go back in.



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The other significant area of rust was where the running boards met the fenders. There is a chink of welded on fender there, on both sides that will need to be replaced. I'd have a hard time screwing that up, because once the running boards ae on, that isn't even visible, so bubble gum welds will be outta sight. :)
Picture of this area also shows the cab edge below the door. Solid. Only surface rust.


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I noticed early on one of the headline cans was loose. Last week I decided to take them off. I found one side was welded on. I cut the welds and found out why it was  welded on. The bottom was gone!  I have to repair some torn out mounting holes in the fenders. No real rust issue there. Here is a picture of the fender area I need to repair and a picture of the rusted out can, and the extras that came with the truck. They are shaped the same but mount different. They must of come off a military vehicle. 24 volts lamps and no adjusters in the lamp.


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Here are some pics of the cab floor inside and underneath and one of the back where I had one small rust issue that I cut out and repaired.
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/inside-cab-floor.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1495024599) 

Under the cab
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Here is a photo of the hood latches.


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And the hood ornament.


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Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: sandhills on May 17, 2017, 10:11:55 AM
You been busy  :).  I still think you need to build a camper for the back and head this way though  ;)
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Farmerjw on May 17, 2017, 10:18:50 AM
A 6 volt really drags when trying to start a hot engine.  Dad always put an 8 volt battery in his '41 Packard.  Don't have to change any ballast or resistors, gives it a little more punch when hitting the starter.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: bigred1951 on May 17, 2017, 10:22:42 AM
Been meaning to ask not sure if been said. But is it suppose to be a dually it looked like bud wheels also what are you gonna do for a bed. A nice flatbed or pickup box.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on May 17, 2017, 10:27:47 AM
It definitely was a dually. I don't know what to do about the bed.  Finding one could be very very hard. Id rather have a pickup box, but that adds a bunch of other elements like longer running boards. No bed for now and eventually, one of the voices in my head should guide me to what it should be.  :D
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: grouch on May 17, 2017, 11:05:30 AM
Quote from: Jeff on May 17, 2017, 08:39:54 AM
There are two or three areas of concern for rust.

[snip]

Aw, man, I didn't see any of that before. That thing is just gonna break your heart. It's a basket case. Just close the doors and try not to let it get you down. I'll mosey by on Saturday on my way to the hardware store and take the old rusty relic out and dispose of it properly.

Bein' as how it's you, I won't even charge you a haul bill.


Better keep an eye on that hood ornament. I've read tales of a goat napping around here somewhere.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: bigred1951 on May 17, 2017, 12:12:30 PM
Get a modern dually 8 lug rear and put in it. Probably get a little more speed and easier to replace parts and wheels. But make sure it's a cab and chassis rear not one that had the pickup bed with fenders. The cab and chassis axle is more narrow
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on May 17, 2017, 12:19:49 PM
Sounds easy until you know that driveshaft is unique, so it has to be customized, the single line master cylinder would need to be upgraded to a hanging peddle system that is quite expensive.Probably any other rear end will still need to have spring mounts and such reworked.  I think if I was going to do something like that in the future, it would be an entire chassis and power plant swap.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: bigred1951 on May 17, 2017, 12:44:51 PM
I almost bought a 51 ford one time. The guy had put ton 4x4 axles under it on the factory 51 springs where it had the leaf spring straight axle. It had the original pedals still in the floor. He got a dual res master cylinder that bolted right up and still used the factory set up. It had the drum in back and disc up front.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: sandhills on May 17, 2017, 12:51:22 PM
Quote from: Jeff on May 17, 2017, 10:27:47 AM
It definitely was a dually. I don't know what to do about the bed.  Finding one could be very very hard. Id rather have a pickup box, but that adds a bunch of other elements like longer running boards. No bed for now and eventually, one of the voices in my head should guide me to what it should be.  :D
Jeff, really???  CAMPER!  (this would be the voice inside your head)  :D :D
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: grouch on May 17, 2017, 01:45:23 PM
Uh-oh.

Quote
Mopar Disc Brakes (http://rustyhope.com/site/mopar-discbrakes/)

Rustyhope disc brake kits are priced at $215 for Dodge Truck and Mopar cars with four hole spindles, and for Dodge, Chrysler, Plymouth, and DeSoto cars with standard diameter three hole spindles.  Kits for pre- 35 spindles are $245.  Kits for all cars and trucks with undersized spindles are $315. Shop labor to drill and tap your spindles is $115, spindle turning is $150. All prices quoted include shipping to US addresses.  International shipping is higher, inquire to olddaddy@rustyhope.com for shipping quotes outside the US.

The standard kits fit a variety of years, makes, and models of Mopar vehicles. Virtually all Dodge/Plymouth/Fargo trucks and Dodge, Chrysler, Plymouth, and DeSoto cars, from 1929 through roughly 1960 can be converted to disc brakes using one of my kits.

[...]

Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on May 17, 2017, 02:04:29 PM
None of that fits this truck.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: grouch on May 17, 2017, 02:12:19 PM
Your spindles are bigger, right?
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: bigred1951 on May 17, 2017, 02:21:47 PM
Does it have the straight axle leaf spring front suspension
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on May 17, 2017, 05:39:35 PM
Quote from: bigred1951 on May 17, 2017, 02:21:47 PM
Does it have the straight axle leaf spring front suspension
Yes. This is a 46 wd21 1 ton. I am told  the front end on this truck in 1946 and 47 were unique to this truck..
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: bigred1951 on May 17, 2017, 06:17:48 PM
If it was mine I would be looking for either a dodge or Chevy 3/4 to ton 4x4 and use the axles motor trans and transfer case. Might have to cut and move the spring purches on the axles and use the dodge springs. But that's me to each their own.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Corley5 on May 17, 2017, 06:26:53 PM
I've been switching old tractors over to this http://www.pertronix.com/prod/ig/ignitor/default.aspx as points are needed.  I won't buy points and condensers again.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on May 17, 2017, 06:27:18 PM
My goal was to have an old truck that I could drive up town without worrying about it raining on it or having to polish it. Something that shows its history. Maybe sme day my goals will change, but for now, I just want the old truck to run and drive and most importantly, STOP! :D
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on May 17, 2017, 06:29:03 PM
Corley, On the 39-48 plymouth dodge desoto facebook group, the talk is they do not make a kit for our trucks yet.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: red on May 17, 2017, 06:32:35 PM
www.ricksontruckwheels.com makes 19.5 wheels for lifted trucks , some even use tractor trailer tires. They are also $$$ , but nice on the right  truck.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Corley5 on May 17, 2017, 06:35:50 PM
Call them @ 909 547 9058 with the # on the tag of the distributor.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Corley5 on May 17, 2017, 06:37:12 PM
They're in California so they're still open ;D :)
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: grouch on May 17, 2017, 06:41:37 PM
Quote from: Jeff on May 17, 2017, 05:39:35 PM
Quote from: bigred1951 on May 17, 2017, 02:21:47 PM
Does it have the straight axle leaf spring front suspension
Yes. This is a 46 wd21 1 ton. I am told  the front end on this truck in 1946 and 47 were unique to this truck..

Everything I have been finding says the 1 ton had a bigger engine but the front spindles were the same as the 1/2 and 3/4. Can you pull a hub and put a micrometer to the spindle?

Even if that rustyhope kit won't fit, there's probably a disc in the salvage yard that will fit that truck. There is probably some Forestry Forum member who would recognize the measurements.

What's the track, measured from wheel mounting surface to wheel mounting surface? Knowing that would help find a donor truck to get front discs on there.


Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: grouch on May 17, 2017, 06:50:23 PM
Quote from: Corley5 on May 17, 2017, 06:26:53 PM
I've been switching old tractors over to this http://www.pertronix.com/prod/ig/ignitor/default.aspx as points are needed.  I won't buy points and condensers again.

Do Pertronix still self-destruct when you leave the ignition on under "points open" condition?

When I was researching to convert my '68 Amazon, I read accounts of that and went with a Crane Fireball XR700.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Corley5 on May 17, 2017, 07:03:17 PM
  I've got them in three Farmalls two are 6V positive ground and one is a twelve volt negative conversion.  I've also done a 2010 JD.  It runs better than ever and did away with the consumption of points and plug fouling on #4. 
  I've never had to touch a Pertronix after they were installed.  The JD was done 8 years ago.  The Farmalls within the last five.  Two of the Farmalls and the JD are AC/Delco distributors.  The other Farmall has an IHC distributor.  The JD sees serious duty on a 7' finish mower throughout the season.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: grouch on May 17, 2017, 07:18:31 PM
Thanks! That's good info to have.

[Edit to add:]

Corley5,

I apologize for the short answer above. Company drove up about the time I was responding. I'll try to do better now.

I have zero first-hand experience with Pertronix and very limited experience with the Crane. That's why I never mentioned either for the '46 Dodge.

On the other hand, there are literally millions of cars and trucks right now running with the AC/Delco system. If a part of it ever fails, you can get a replacement in any parts store in any little hamlet in the country. The only thing preventing using that is the unusual flat blade drive for the flathead distributor. That's fixable.

At the time I was researching a few years ago, there were a lot of threads in fora by people who had fried their Pertronix. Naturally, there were just as many comments from people with no problems. The common theme was that those who had fried their unit had been troubleshooting other parts of the electrical system -- turn signals, heater fan, etc. -- with the ignition on, engine not running, but the points happened to be open. It scared me away from getting one.

Right after getting the Crane unit, I had the '68 Amazon loaded up with cameras and gear about to head out to film a football game for the local high school team, hit the brakes and they went to the floor. In '68 Volvo was still using steel brake lines and these rusted through. I had to go through the whole brake system even replacing calipers and rotors. That car kept getting pushed down the priority list and so I still have very limited experience with the Crane system and can't vouch for its reliability. (Don't want Jeff growling at _me_ for being stuck somewhere between the frozen north and a Georgia pig roast).

The AC/Delco unit I robbed from a 1980 Renault LeCar is still running my '80 Dodge slant six. I bought that Renault new. That's 37 years of duty without a glitch, so far. Those systems haven't changed much, and are in widespread use, for good reason.

You probably haven't had to do much troubleshooting of electrical accessories on those tractors with the ignition on and engine off. Pertronix may have changed components or design. Either way, I'm grateful to read your experience. Sometimes negative reports get exaggerated on the Internet to where the positive ones get drowned out.

Thanks again.
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Post by: Jeff on May 17, 2017, 10:30:42 PM
Today's enhancements.


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Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: snowstorm on May 18, 2017, 07:26:25 AM
Quote from: red on May 17, 2017, 06:32:35 PM
www.ricksontruckwheels.com makes 19.5 wheels for lifted trucks , some even use tractor trailer tires. They are also $$$ , but nice on the right  truck.
19.5 is a pretty common size. every f450 550 used them from 99 and up. 8 stud thru 04 then 10 stud
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Post by: Farmerjw on May 18, 2017, 10:03:53 AM
Jeff, the truck is looking fabulous.  I think it was the last issue of Vintage Trucks that they built a new wood bed on a one ton.  Will see if I have it yet (loan them to my dad before taking them to the school).  If I have it, pm me your mailing address and I'll stick it in the mail for you.  Will give you options and help in a decision.   It is nice to drive the old trucks about 40-45 mph on a county road and enjoy the breeze and life in general. 
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Post by: Jeff on May 18, 2017, 10:32:22 AM
Message sent. :)

Farmerjw,  you describe perfectly what my wish is.  It may change, but for now, the old truck as it was meant to be is what I want.  This truck was never meant to cruse down the highway, in fact, I suspect it probably has never been over 50 mph in its life.  The old braking system is perfectly adequate for this truck and engine.

I do have this vision of a wood box with old steel fenders.
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Post by: Weekend_Sawyer on May 18, 2017, 02:26:00 PM

Jeff, you have the coolest rat rod on the block.

I like the idea of a wood bed. Howbout wood running boards?

Jon
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Post by: Ox on May 18, 2017, 02:30:41 PM
Saw a youtube video about older construction machines and one of these trucks popped out with a dump box on it with sideboards.  It looked right, with the duallys under it and all.  It just looked right. 

You could weld together a lightweight box frame and line it with nice hardy wood and have a nice looking box with the function of a dump without too much cash layout.  Have short sides on it.  It sounds like you already have your plan in your head of what you want but maybe random thoughts will trigger something better, who knows?
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Post by: Jeff on May 18, 2017, 02:31:45 PM
WOOD RUNNING BOARDS. HMMM....  ;)
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Post by: grouch on May 18, 2017, 03:11:11 PM
White oak flatbed with removable sides that look like what Ox described. Dark green steel stakes narrow on the outside, wider where they hit the wood. Look like a woodworker's dump truck with the sides on -- sunken panels instead of raised.

Maybe some walnut strips in the bed just to show off?

Would ERC running boards be too gaudy or could they be made to set off a FF emblem on the doors? Don't know if it could be made to match the orange ball in the logo.
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Post by: paul case on May 18, 2017, 10:47:51 PM
Live edge running boards ***** that would add a little flavor.

PC
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Post by: Jeff on May 19, 2017, 10:22:43 PM
I don't have grand kids, so you get truck pictures.


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Post by: grouch on May 20, 2017, 05:56:12 AM
Keep 'em coming.

Door panels could be wood, too.

I'd put a plastic gas tank between the rails so as not to have it riding in the cab with me.

Do the doors have straps or something to limit their swing?

That frame will let you do anything you want back there -- it's not ugly with random holes, bumps and twists like so many modern ones. (S10s with exposed frames are a good example of ugly).

Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on May 20, 2017, 08:04:14 AM
The dodges' didn't have the tank in the cab, it goes under it. THe filler pipe goes thrugh the side of the cab and down to the floor. I do have a tank.
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Post by: grouch on May 20, 2017, 08:18:41 AM
Crazy Dodge brothers.

I have a '64 GMC and that fuel-air bomb was right behind the seat back. Don't want any gas to leak out of the cab in case of a wreck, y'know.

Saw that filler hole and thought yours was under the seat bottom. Might be bad place for those kind of fumes after spicey food.
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Post by: Jeff on May 20, 2017, 10:07:19 AM
I even have new filler pipe and floor seals for when I put the tank in. Not any hurry for that. I don't want to put it in, and find I have to take it out because I got ahead of myself on something which I tend to do. :)

On a different note, I found a tire place in the next town that was excited to help me with mounting some good used tires on the front wheels.  No one in my town would touch them, or any one I called, so I threw them in to the truck and drove down to Clare to Bob's tires.  I used to go in there all the time between 79- 83  when I worked at the mill in Clare.  Bob is long past, but his boys still run the old school tire shop. I showed them pictures of the truck first, then asked about working on the rims. I picked them up this morning and now I'm working on painting them.  8) 8) 8)
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Post by: Ox on May 20, 2017, 10:53:48 AM
I love the old school shops.  They treat you like it was in the old school usually, too, which I like.

Farmall red enamel?
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Post by: grouch on May 20, 2017, 10:57:02 AM
Had to go all the way back to page 2 (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php/topic,95323.msg1469919.html#msg1469919) to get a look at the front wheels.

Why wouldn't any of the others work on them? What's so scary? They're just split rings, right? Changed a lot of those at my part-time job through high school. We had a cage made of pipe about 6" O.D. and strict rules about using it for any rim that was not a one-piece.

Maybe you were just meant to go back to Clare for that reconnection to Bob's tires. :)
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Post by: Jeff on May 20, 2017, 11:05:38 AM
Actually, its New Holland red.  A bit darker and not so bright.



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Whats so scary is that those old rims killed a lot of people. Even the big rigs are getting away from them, so there are not near as many people that have the experience working with them. So, most regular tire places like Bell, tire factory, metro25, and of those around here, won't touch them as the amount of business they bring is far less than the risk. Even our old school tire place in Harrison won't, mostly because the old school guys are no longer there. I see they still had a cage in the shop when I was there. It had old tubes in it.
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Post by: sandhills on May 20, 2017, 11:29:27 AM
We still have a lot of them around the farm, I don't mind fixing them but just make sure the ring seats right with a little air, I most generally will wrap a chain around it in a few spots to be on the safe side, but yes, they could kill you.
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Post by: Ox on May 20, 2017, 11:37:13 AM
I love the split ring rims.  Makes changing those big tires quite easy.  The trick to safety with these, told to me by an old farmer, is to take a wire wheel on an angle grinder and make sure the grooves on the rim and ring are totally spotless.  This pretty much ensures safety.  The first time I blow up a tire on these rims I always put the ring toward the ground, use a clip on air chuck and stand back.  I just regulate the air pressure on the regulator at the compressor.
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Post by: grouch on May 20, 2017, 12:21:44 PM
It was an immediate firing offense to air one of those or the big rig versions outside the cage at Meers Service Center. No argument, no appeal, just gone. We had clip on air chucks for that and nobody stayed in the bay where the cage was when airing. Even the initial seating of the ring with very little air was done in the cage. Rings and grooves were cleaned just as Ox described. A machinist's hammer was handy for coaxing old rings completely into their groove as that initial airing took place (less pressure than the gauge could measure). By the time the gauge moved, you were required to leave it.

Had a few 10.00-20s and -22s blow off. You could hear 'em all over that little town. People got used to it.

I don't think I'd air one outside a cage.

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Post by: sandhills on May 20, 2017, 03:05:02 PM
Yeah, I left a few things out, clean clean clean and I also use the hammer (with little pressure) to make sure they seat.  We had a guy in a tire shop just west of us get blown to the ceiling a week or so ago when a pivot tire let go.  This wasn't a split rim either and there wasn't more than 40# in it, luckily all he ended up with was a broken arm I think.  Not sure how tall their ceiling is but I've seen semis sitting in there and they said he hit it, I don't think he remembers though  :-\.
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Post by: thecfarm on May 20, 2017, 09:34:41 PM
I know a guy about 40 that lost an eye when he was in his late teens working on one of those rims for his Father.
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Post by: sandsawmill14 on May 21, 2017, 08:21:37 AM
Quote from: sandhills on May 20, 2017, 11:29:27 AM
We still have a lot of them around the farm, I don't mind fixing them but just make sure the ring seats right with a little air, I most generally will wrap a chain around it in a few spots to be on the safe side, but yes, they could kill you.

this is the way i used to do it too :) have only had 1 blow off and knew it was questionable when i started :-\ why i went ahead who knows but all i got was scared ;D :D  i havent changed one in years now we only have 2 trucks left with that kind of rim and neither are being used anymore :)
i do remember one guy being killed when i was 18-19 years old about 15 miles from my house and another guy got his arm and leg broke by one but thats all i can remember here locally  :)
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Post by: Jeff on May 21, 2017, 08:26:52 AM
If any of you guys know of any resources, I'd like to get two more of these bud rims and go ahead and put duels back on.
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Post by: sandsawmill14 on May 21, 2017, 08:39:12 AM
jeff we had a 47  2 ton but i dont know if there is still  rim here or not  ??? what size are they ???  19.5 x ? 10,00 x 20s ???
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Post by: Jeff on May 21, 2017, 09:32:31 AM
6.5 16"  6 bolt.
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Post by: grouch on May 21, 2017, 10:01:58 AM
What's the bolt circle?
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Post by: Ox on May 21, 2017, 10:27:15 AM
Aint that the tire size on Farmalls and haywagons?
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Post by: Jeff on May 21, 2017, 01:30:34 PM
Quote from: grouch on May 21, 2017, 10:01:58 AM
What's the bolt circle?
7.25 center to center on opposing bolts, center hole is 5.5 inches in diameter
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Post by: sandsawmill14 on May 21, 2017, 02:40:13 PM
sorry jeff i dont have anything that small i know :( :-\ 
unless you are dead set on getting the bead locks to keep it original i pretty sure you can order new rims that will work  :) last i checked they were under a $100 each but that was for a chevy ;) if you go that route you can put the new rims on the inside and very few people would notice it wasnt stock :)
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Post by: Jeff on May 21, 2017, 11:21:28 PM
When I got the truck, it came with a bunch of extra parts, including two plastic totes of stuff. When I first got them, I looked through them, but really didn't understand much of what was there. Today I went back through the stuff and had a couple cool finds. One was a hood prop, and the other, two arm rests. I'd seen the arm rests on eBay, in perhaps worse shape than mine for over 100 bucks. I was most geeked about the hood prop. :)


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Here it is In place.

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 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/20170521_112147.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1495422925) I also found $100 in one tote in a paper bag. The value of the brake shoes as cores that I didn't know I had. Core is 25 a shoe.

Also front wheels and tires are ready to go on once I'm ready for them.


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Post by: sandsawmill14 on May 22, 2017, 12:13:42 AM
looks like you had a pretty good day smiley_thumbsup
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Post by: Jeff on May 22, 2017, 08:50:32 AM
Turns out it was a REALLY REALLY good thing I found those shoes in that tote.  I compared them to the new ones I had, and they were slightly different, so I called down to DCM Classics where I got the shoes, and described the difference. They told me I had a pre-war axle on a post-war truck, which depending on when the truck was actually made, happened. Meaning the shoes they sent me were not going to work, and the shoes that I found were like gold  because without them, no brakes. I'm sending them all back, and in exchange I'll get my $100 core charge back plus they will re-line my shoes and send them to me.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Ljohnsaw on May 22, 2017, 09:40:37 AM
Quote from: Jeff on May 22, 2017, 08:50:32 AM
I'm sending them all back, and in exchange I'll get my $100 core charge back plus they will re-line my shoes and send them to me.
Cool!  That may cover most of the relining fee...
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Post by: Jeff on May 22, 2017, 09:54:04 AM
No additional re-lining fee. I'm returning the new brakes they sent me, and the relining is the same cost as what the purchase price was of the other shoes. :)
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Post by: loggah on May 22, 2017, 04:24:04 PM
Jeff, I'll check in the junkyard tomorrow,theres a ww2 power wagon out back in the pit there is a newer 40's dodge there but it has 7:50-20's on it. Don
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Post by: Gearbox on May 22, 2017, 07:18:44 PM
The power wagon wheels should be right . I was thinking the yard down the road from me might have a power wagon to .
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Post by: Jeff on May 22, 2017, 08:05:37 PM
If you guys could keep your eyes open for a split windshield frame from anything from 39-47 dodge or plymouth that would be great too.  :)
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Post by: grouch on May 22, 2017, 08:23:01 PM
I got a little over-anxious when removing the windshield of my '49 Olds. Busted. That was ok, though, because I wanted a '50 one-piece windshield. :) Found new one online from Bob's Vintage glass or something like that.


No luck so far with the wheels. Ran across discussions where they are claimed to be rare.
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Post by: Jeff on May 22, 2017, 08:28:40 PM
My friend Harold dropped by tonight with a surprise. He works for a company that builds concert stages. He heard I was working on an old truck, so he thought I might be needing some steel. He can buy the new scrap right now for .25 a lb. He brought me 100 lbs tonight. I told him I'll take more. He says he never knows what there will be, but he's going to keep his eyes open for me. This stuff will be perfect for building something. Don't know what yet.  Here is a pic with the stock lying across the frame.


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Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Dave Shepard on May 22, 2017, 08:35:00 PM
 That's hard to get around here. Most scrapyards won't let you buy anymore.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on May 22, 2017, 09:36:06 PM
This company has a scrap dumpster that goes to the local salvage place. The employees can buy the scrap from the dumpster for the same price as the salvage yard pays them for it. I' pretty stoked about finding I have this source.

I'll be cutting off those old scabbed on hunks of channel now.
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Post by: bigred1951 on May 22, 2017, 10:45:00 PM
Im not sure but look into ups trucks and them kind of box trucks. If I'm thinking right some of them had the big 6 lug wheel bolt pattern And im sure they are one one piece.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: loggah on May 24, 2017, 06:25:18 AM
I checked the rims on the old power wagon ,all tires were flat,and real rusty where the lock ring seats,i wouldn't trust them. I will keep my eyes open. Don
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: sandsawmill14 on May 24, 2017, 08:41:28 AM
jeff before you buy rims make sure they are the right OFFSET for duals  :o the bolt pattern will work but they will let the tires pull together before the rims tighten up  ;) i think the ones you have are the right offset from the pic but i cant be sure from the pics ???    you may have already thought of this but thought i would mention it just in case :)
also i THINK some of the old ford IH and studabaker trucks (1955 back) used that bolt pattern not sure but maybe a few years after '55 but pretty sure '55 on back would work :)

and if it is a b series it may have came with single rear wheels from the factory and all 4 wheels will be the same offset  :)
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Post by: paul case on May 24, 2017, 08:58:14 AM
Since you have 4 that will dual you could go with just white spoked or ???? for the front. I once had a pickup that had been converted to rear duals that had regular rims on the front and dually hubcaps. IT looked ok.

I have enjoyed seeing your progress on this project truck. I was wondering if the truck had a name? We had several that had names when I was growing up, Nellybelle, 2 ton tony, old blue, and Trusty are the ones I can remember.

PC
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Post by: sandsawmill14 on May 24, 2017, 09:04:48 AM
jeff you can lay a level across the center of the rim and see how much clearance you will have to be sure they are offset enough :)
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Post by: Jeff on May 24, 2017, 09:48:50 AM
I have one front rim with a different offset and the lug holes are not "innies and outies" as I call them for the duels to mesh. I guess if I had my druthers, I wish I could find some real wide modrn rims that would fit the back and put some wide tires on it. Being a child of the 70's, I still like that fat back tire look. :D   I wonder how hard it would be to get custom cemnters welded in newer tubeless rims?

This morning I pulled off the PTO and put a cover plate on it as I have no plans on using it. I've also found my motor mounts are rotten, so I'm going to replace those. Parts like that are surprisingly affordable.  The one front mount is 22 and the two back mounts are 15.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: grouch on May 24, 2017, 10:58:43 AM
According to THIS (http://toyotamotorhome.org/forums/index.php?/topic/4172-any-wheel-manufaturers-make-a-16-or-possibly-17-in-the-large-6-that-we-have/#comment-23976), "The old Dodge power wagons, the m715's and 53 to 66 ford f350's all use a 6x7.25 lug pattern to so they are in the same boat."

So, off to car-part.com and there are a surprising number of wheels -- fronts and dual rear -- available for those old Ford F350s. (Kept checking until I found one that specified lugs, bolt circle and center hole). Still splits, though.

Those could be your center donors.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: grouch on May 24, 2017, 01:56:39 PM
You are gonna growl at me for this. Tough -- I did some growling over going to an "aspx" site, so just suck it up.

Toyota This is a 3 Hole 14x5 Inch, 6x7.25 Bolt Pattern, One Piece Steel Wheel, Rim. (https://www.wheelsandcaps.com/p-23265-steel-wheel-rim-14x5-69221.aspx?keyword=6x7.25+bolt+pattern) The position on the vehicle is Universal. DRW (Dual Rear Wheel) models. Interchange Number is 69221. Manufacturer Part Number is 426013538101; 426013547103; 426013547108.

14 is tiny for that truck, 5 is skinny, but if you're going on the highway that would bring you down low even with fat tires. Or you might even find some of those super low profile things that look like the end of a roll of electrical tape. ;D

It's raining so I'm still digging (online) ...
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Post by: TKehl on May 24, 2017, 04:13:36 PM
We've had a couple centers welded in on a hay trailer.  Had a flat at least every other day while hauling with 16" LT tires the summer I got my license.  Dad took a couple open center semi wheels to the local weld/machine shop to put in 8 lug centers then put low-pro semi tires on them.  I think it was $250 for the pair, but haven't had a flat in nearly 20 years.   ;D

The flip side is it may be cheaper to get lug adapters or have them made for the bolt pattern.  I'm shooting from the hip, but probably $75 per hub and pick your pattern.  8 lug 3/4 ton wheels are plentiful and cheap as are used 16" tires. (15" not so much anymore)  1 tons not much more.  Either option lets you get the tall & narrow "pizza cutter" tires that complete the look of a vintage truck.  Or hotrod... either way!
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: paul case on May 24, 2017, 04:40:11 PM
Quote from: Jeff on May 24, 2017, 09:48:50 AM
I have one front rim with a different offset and the lug holes are not "innies and outies" as I call them for the duels to mesh. I guess if I had my druthers, I wish I could find some real wide modrn rims that would fit the back and put some wide tires on it. Being a child of the 70's, I still like that fat back tire look. :D   I wonder how hard it would be to get custom cemnters welded in newer tubeless rims?

Now you are talking my language. It can be done If you find the right guy fairly reasonable. 16'' truck rims are pretty reasonable to make into what you need and tires are easy to find.

PC
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Just Me on May 25, 2017, 07:19:47 AM
http://detroitsteelwheel.com/

http://www.stocktonwheel.com/products.html

Here are a couple that I have used. I like Detroit Wheel better.

I am thinking of converting my stepvan, but I may just switch out axle and hubs, its a P30 chassis with ten bolt wheels and 19.5 rims. I can get tires off of my brothers race truck with one race on them that are just as tall. Would just have to buy rims.

When are you going to bolt the 440 in that thing? 8)

I was in Rogers City the other day and that old Dodge is still sitting at the oil company lot on Main.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Weekend_Sawyer on May 25, 2017, 10:28:53 AM
I like the idea of single fat back tires.
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Post by: Jeff on May 25, 2017, 04:50:37 PM
Last couple of accomplishments.

Removed the starter, cleaned and painted it.


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And replaced the front motor mount.  Seems like an easy task. NOPE!  You need to follow a certain sequence of events to get the new one to go in. I probably should have documented it, but hey, then the next guy wouldn't have all the fun I had.  :D

Here is the bottom part of the old one. It was completely delaminated from the top bolt and plates. Ya think it was toast?


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New mount in place.
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Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: grouch on May 25, 2017, 05:00:40 PM
Was that old mount original equipment? It looks like natural rubber.
Where did you find the new one, or did you make it?
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on May 25, 2017, 05:16:59 PM
https://dcmclassics.com/  About 2 hours form here. most orders come in the mail the next day. Anything that fits in the mailbox ships cheap!
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Post by: Ljohnsaw on May 25, 2017, 05:52:32 PM
Quote from: Weekend_Sawyer on May 25, 2017, 10:28:53 AM
I like the idea of single fat back tires.
But that will start you down a slippery slope!  Got the big tires, now you need to upgrade the engine so you can lay some rubber down.  Then you will need to upgrade the rear end to take the torque.  Then the brake system will need to be upgraded so you can stop.  Then the suspension 'cause you'll want a smoother ride...  And on and on... :D

Looking good!
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Post by: red on May 25, 2017, 06:13:02 PM
The www.ricksontruckwheels.com also make the Fat tire single wheel. The tire height can be the same as stock just the width is wider.
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Post by: Don P on May 25, 2017, 08:58:08 PM
That motor mount was what they called "floating power".
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Post by: grouch on May 25, 2017, 09:37:29 PM
Quote from: Jeff on May 25, 2017, 05:16:59 PM
https://dcmclassics.com/  About 2 hours form here. most orders come in the mail the next day. Anything that fits in the mailbox ships cheap!

That's a resource!

They have a Shop Manual (41-47 W series ) (https://dcmclassics.com/manuals-literature/195-l-383-4147-shop-manual-41-47-w-series-.html). It doesn't say "CD" or "DVD" so it might even be a printed book.

Do you have one?
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on May 25, 2017, 09:58:42 PM
I do have one, but mine came from ebay for 8 bucks.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on May 25, 2017, 10:08:23 PM
Quote from: Don P on May 25, 2017, 08:58:08 PM
That motor mount was what they called "floating power".


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Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: grouch on May 25, 2017, 10:09:14 PM
My daughter found "Oldsmobile 1949 Shop Manual 6 and 8" for me on ebay. I don't remember the price, but I scanned it and put it online. There are a lot of CD versions of shop manuals with really crappy scanned images. I bought such a thing from Mercedes Benz USA and many of the images are just globs.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Papa1stuff on May 26, 2017, 11:18:30 AM
I have some old Motor Manuals from the 30 and 40 and the come with a flat rate manual ;D
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: TKehl on May 29, 2017, 03:52:49 PM
I've got just what you need!   ;D

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/44195/DSC02520.JPG)

Truck bed and 8 lug axle upgrade in a convenient pull home package!  Not sure the actual year, but it's period enough it would blend well.  Even a decent tailgate!   ;)

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/44195/DSC02517.JPG)

Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on May 29, 2017, 06:42:45 PM
Oh man!! What are you asking for it?
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Darrel on May 29, 2017, 06:47:18 PM
I'll open the bidding at $300 :D
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on May 29, 2017, 06:51:11 PM
Nobody is allowed to bid on this one!! :D
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: thecfarm on May 29, 2017, 07:05:19 PM
I'll bid $250.   :D
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Darrel on May 29, 2017, 07:07:15 PM
 :D ;D :D
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: sandhills on May 29, 2017, 07:48:19 PM
Now Jeff, you can't let these guys be too persuasive! THINK CAMPER!  :D
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Darrel on May 29, 2017, 08:16:18 PM
Knock it off cfarm, the chief bottle washer said no-one is aloud to bid on this!

$200  8)
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: POSTON WIDEHEAD on May 29, 2017, 09:06:14 PM
TKehl.......read this before you sell it to Jeff.

https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php/topic,4193.0.html

:D :D :D :D
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Gearbox on May 29, 2017, 09:14:07 PM
5% is 5% in Jeff's pocket . Just kidding .
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: bill m on May 29, 2017, 09:43:16 PM
I have a bed with tailgate for an old Dodge in almost as good shape but no wood floor. You can have it.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: grouch on May 29, 2017, 09:45:24 PM
I bid 2 cat's eye marbles, 4 bottle caps, and half a hershey bar.

Deliver it and I'll toss in a Dr. W. B. Caldwell's Laxative Senna bottle (slightly cracked, no cork).
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on May 29, 2017, 10:32:01 PM
Quote from: bill m on May 29, 2017, 09:43:16 PM
I have a bed with tailgate for an old Dodge in almost as good shape but no wood floor. You can have it.

Bill does your box have the squarish fenders or rounder? From what I can find, the trailer box is 53-85 all had the squared fenders.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: TKehl on May 29, 2017, 11:31:06 PM
PM sent.  But it's a looong drive to Missouri. 
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: sandhills on May 30, 2017, 12:35:06 AM
CAMPER? (somehow I don't think I'm getting far with this  :D)
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on May 30, 2017, 06:27:46 AM
After sleeping on it, I don't think the dodge would be happy at all with those square fenders. While the box and tailgate might work, Missouri is just to far. I could build a flat bed for the gas cost.  Thanks for the opportunity though. :)
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: TKehl on May 30, 2017, 07:47:07 AM
You are quite welcome!

I'm enjoying your project.  I had a 47 Dodge 2 ton a few years back, but sold it to a guy in GA who wanted it to advertise jelly.    ;D  They just have very nice lines.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: red on May 30, 2017, 07:55:38 AM
I think you can find rear fenders to be mounted on a homemade metal box.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Roxie on May 30, 2017, 08:00:09 AM
Quote from: POSTONLT40HD on May 29, 2017, 09:06:14 PM
TKehl.......read this before you sell it to Jeff.

https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php/topic,4193.0.html

:D :D :D :D

That moment when you realize that you and an old goat think alike.  :o
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: paul case on May 30, 2017, 08:34:10 AM
For a guy with a sawmill and trees of his own and a truck that needs a bed that will no doubt be wearing a Forestry Forum sticker, at the least, should have a rough sawn wood bed.

PC
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on May 30, 2017, 08:54:55 AM
I want to fix the truck up, but I don't want to be baby sitting a wood box. Then you have to worry every time it rains
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Dave Shepard on May 30, 2017, 10:44:57 AM
I think your wheelbase might be too long for that box, anyway.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on May 30, 2017, 12:40:06 PM
Lettering concept. Whaddayathink?



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Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Papa1stuff on May 30, 2017, 12:43:48 PM
Looks great to me 8) 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: TKehl on May 30, 2017, 01:22:23 PM
Thumbs up here!

Paint, magnet, or sticker?
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: sandsawmill14 on May 30, 2017, 01:49:36 PM
Quote from: Jeff on May 30, 2017, 12:40:06 PM
Lettering concept. Whaddayathink?



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i think it would look better on a chevy ;D ;)  just kidding :D :D :D looks good i like it  :)
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Weekend_Sawyer on May 30, 2017, 01:51:13 PM
Yes, I like it alot!
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: sandhills on May 30, 2017, 01:59:01 PM
 8)
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: grouch on May 30, 2017, 02:00:02 PM
Quote from: Jeff on May 30, 2017, 12:40:06 PM
Lettering concept. Whaddayathink?



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Can you shrink it just enough so that it doesn't cross that crease in the door near the window?
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on May 30, 2017, 02:27:28 PM
I actually did that on purpose, but I tried it smaller and I think you are right. I think its better  :)



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Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: grouch on May 30, 2017, 02:31:50 PM
Quote from: Jeff on May 30, 2017, 02:27:28 PM
I actually did that on purpose, but I tried it smaller and I think you are right. I think its better  :)



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There it is! Now you can get more gray hairs making this decision:

Quote from: TKehl on May 30, 2017, 01:22:23 PM
Thumbs up here!

Paint, magnet, or sticker?
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on May 30, 2017, 02:34:26 PM
Absolutely paint.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: coxy on May 30, 2017, 02:48:13 PM
I like it :) :) :)  its going to be a long ride in it to CT to pick up a trailer then all the way to Boonville  ;D   jeff I did not forget about that book  its been crazy here
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: 21incher on May 30, 2017, 02:59:54 PM
That looks good that size. It will be easy to reverse on the other side.  thumbs-up
Now all you need is one of those Tule Peak slabs on the back. :)
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on May 30, 2017, 04:46:32 PM
I figured while I lettered the right side, I might as well go ahead and put another fuel tank in too. :)



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Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Magicman on May 30, 2017, 05:07:21 PM
Wildflower?
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: TKehl on May 30, 2017, 05:32:28 PM
Quote from: 21incher on May 30, 2017, 02:59:54 PM
Now all you need is one of those Tule Peak slabs on the back. :)

Ohhh...  Single live edge slab truck bed.   ;D :o 8)
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: POSTON WIDEHEAD on May 30, 2017, 05:57:36 PM
Quote from: Jeff on May 30, 2017, 04:46:32 PM
I figured while I lettered the right side, I might as well go ahead and put another fuel tank in to. :)



So your saying you may need an extra fuel tank to maybe travel to a project?  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on May 30, 2017, 06:08:28 PM
Quote from: Magicman on May 30, 2017, 05:07:21 PM
Wildflower?

Just for fun.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Hilltop366 on May 30, 2017, 06:36:30 PM
Oddly enough to my eye the logo looks better on the drivers side with the tree closer to the front of the door. ???

I have seen a diy step side box before, the guy had the sides and head board sheared and bent at the local fab shop and welded a pipe on the top outside of the rail, the floor was checker plate.

The only parts that he bought was the fenders but for the style of fender that would go on your truck a piece of sheet metal rolled and some ½" tubing bent and welded along the edge would look nice to me.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: sandsawmill14 on May 30, 2017, 06:56:58 PM
i agree with hilltop  :) maybe you could invert the emblem to make both sides same  ??? or maybe not  ???  it looks good either way and you can only see one side at the time ;)  it just looks like it fits better to me with the tree next to the curve of the fender :)
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Darrel on May 30, 2017, 07:44:10 PM
That is way cool Jeff!!!  8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: grouch on May 30, 2017, 08:51:29 PM
Quote from: Hilltop366 on May 30, 2017, 06:36:30 PM
Oddly enough to my eye the logo looks better on the drivers side with the tree closer to the front of the door. ???


Might be some overspray. I never was too good at painting.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/38564/dodge-right-edit.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1496191705)
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Magicman on May 30, 2017, 09:05:48 PM
Nope, the logo is the logo.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on May 30, 2017, 09:12:33 PM
Quote from: sandsawmill14 on May 30, 2017, 06:56:58 PM
i agree with hilltop  :) maybe you could invert the emblem to make both sides same  ??? or maybe not  ???  it looks good either way and you can only see one side at the time ;)  it just looks like it fits better to me with the tree next to the curve of the fender :)

If you move the tree, then none of the text will line up.  I do agree the drivers side looks much better, but that is because we read left to right, front to back.  It's just awkward no matter what you do on the right side.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on May 30, 2017, 09:13:28 PM
Quote from: grouch on May 30, 2017, 08:51:29 PM
Quote from: Hilltop366 on May 30, 2017, 06:36:30 PM
Oddly enough to my eye the logo looks better on the drivers side with the tree closer to the front of the door. ???


Might be some overspray. I never was too good at painting.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/38564/dodge-right-edit.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1496191705)

That looks.... Disgusting.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: grouch on May 30, 2017, 09:18:08 PM
Quote from: Jeff on May 30, 2017, 09:13:28 PM

That looks.... Disgusting.

Well, you got some solvent and sandpaper?






Thank you for the best laugh I've had today!
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on May 30, 2017, 09:26:47 PM
 ;) :)
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Delawhere Jack on May 30, 2017, 10:15:33 PM
Quote from: Magicman on May 30, 2017, 09:05:48 PM
Nope, the logo is the logo.

I'll second that. Tree to the right of the text.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Ljohnsaw on May 30, 2017, 10:21:50 PM
Quote from: Delawhere Jack on May 30, 2017, 10:15:33 PM
Quote from: Magicman on May 30, 2017, 09:05:48 PM
Nope, the logo is the logo.

I'll second that. Tree to the right of the text.

You mean "your other right"  (old saying?) :D
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Hilltop366 on May 30, 2017, 10:26:54 PM
Fixed it.  ;D

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Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Delawhere Jack on May 30, 2017, 10:30:05 PM
Ooops.  Guess I'm a little smiley_tom_dizzy01
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: sandsawmill14 on May 31, 2017, 07:02:59 AM
jeff very few things work out perfect and i agree with mm after seeing it on the truck in grouches pic :-\   the logo is the logo  BUT its your truck and your logo so do it how YOU like it the best  ;)  :)
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: grouch on May 31, 2017, 03:38:59 PM
Quote from: sandsawmill14 on May 31, 2017, 07:02:59 AM
jeff very few things work out perfect and i agree with mm after seeing it on the truck in grouches pic :-\   the logo is the logo  BUT its your truck and your logo so do it how YOU like it the best  ;)  :)

It needed to be seen -- there were 2 suggesting it and at least 1 (me) wondering how it would look, and no telling how many silent observers, so ... it needed to be _seen_.

The tree leans the correct way and fits the door just fine, but having it come after the lettering kinda jolts the eye back and forth.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: sandsawmill14 on May 31, 2017, 04:56:42 PM
thats what i thought to grouch  :)  i thought it was a good idea till i saw it on the truck :-\
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: paul case on May 31, 2017, 05:07:20 PM
Quote from: Hilltop366 on May 30, 2017, 10:26:54 PM
Fixed it.  ;D

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My fav. PC
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Hilltop366 on May 31, 2017, 06:40:32 PM
Hmm.. if the logo was surrounded by the text in a elliptical or round shape it would look the same on both sides.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on May 31, 2017, 08:31:22 PM
I'm not changing our 17 year old logo to fit my truck.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: chet on May 31, 2017, 08:40:49 PM
Easy fix, put a drivers side door on both sides.   ;D
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Darrel on May 31, 2017, 08:59:52 PM
Quote from: Chet on May 31, 2017, 08:40:49 PM
Easy fix, put a drivers side door on both sides.   ;D

And mount the one on the right like a suicide door.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: grouch on May 31, 2017, 09:58:40 PM
Or, put in an AM radio, which requires an antenna for the parking lot delinquents to bend, and ...

fly that banner!

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Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on June 01, 2017, 10:48:54 PM
Today's progress. Mounted the coil in the firewall and painted my dash. I'm going with flat black paint and I'm going to make diamond plate door panels.


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Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Don P on June 01, 2017, 11:29:06 PM
Sort of off topic, but that sort of describes life  ;D I enjoy the little connections along the way.
One of the guys went to use the lift gate on the back of the farmers market truck and it threw sparks. I took a look and smoke was coming from the switch that runs the hydraulic pump under there. So I crawled under and pulled the switch loose and started scratching my head. The electric over hydraulic pump is driven by a starter motor and as I looked at this switch, well I've been following this thread and things sort of clicked, I realized the switch is an old floor mounted starter switch that they had fabricated a lever linkage to depress. I got on Ebay and started poking around. It arrived today and I got the lift working again this evening. The switch was NOS from a '42 Studebaker, bolted right up in 5 minutes with no modification what a hoot  :D.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on June 01, 2017, 11:37:30 PM
Awesome.  :)

I'm really enjoying learning about my truck as I work on it.  :)  I'll have been over every inch of it externally soon. Hopefully there will be no need for internal discoveries. (engine, tranny) :)
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Bruno of NH on June 02, 2017, 06:37:00 AM
I like the old truck and I'm glad you are running the motor that it came with.
History  :)
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: paul case on June 02, 2017, 09:44:08 AM
My first truck was/is a 47 chevy 3/4 ton pickup. My grandad traded 1/2 a hog butchered for it from a neighbor forever ago. He had to pull the motor out of his car to put in it so he could have a truck. It was pop's first truck too.

The motor was wore out when I got it, but it was pretty much bullet proof. They over made those drive trains back then. Keep oil in it and coolant and you will probably be good to go for a long time.

PC
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on June 03, 2017, 09:20:01 AM
Breaking a rule. Administrative privilege. ;)

I cleaned my phone out and backed up my truck photos on my Google account and saving the link in here.  Didn't realize how much I'd actually accomplished the last two months since finding the dodge until going over the photos.
https://goo.gl/photos/YUnmJYtEujNVT1f48
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Magicman on June 03, 2017, 11:25:18 AM
I have heard of being a "hard tail", but using a sack of QuikCrete for a seat cushion is a bit over the top!   :o   :D
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: fishpharmer on June 03, 2017, 12:47:36 PM
Boss man, you have done alot! 
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on June 03, 2017, 06:49:09 PM
Today's flea market find.


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Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: thecfarm on June 03, 2017, 09:15:48 PM
I don't believe it!!!!  It's in perfect shape.  8)
I found the license plate my Father had for the tractor in the stone wall,1956, not in the best of shape,like yours.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on June 03, 2017, 09:21:43 PM
I had to give twenty bucks for it, but it's gotta be worth it. It'll be the nicest thing on the truck!  :D
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: thecfarm on June 03, 2017, 09:26:06 PM
More I don't believe it. $20!!!!! What a find.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Darrel on June 03, 2017, 11:37:54 PM
Wow! What a find!!!
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: TKehl on June 04, 2017, 10:41:30 AM
WOW!  NOS?

In MO if you have a plate from the year of manufacture on an antique vehicle, you can use that as the plate for actual registration.  Same in MI?
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on June 04, 2017, 12:53:37 PM
I think so. I'll have to research it for sure.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Dave Shepard on June 04, 2017, 05:14:47 PM
MA does something like that, too.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on June 04, 2017, 06:30:19 PM
I now wish I had some welding skill. Several things I need to do but have zero confidence in attempting them myself for fear of potentially ruining parts that are irreplaceable.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: coxy on June 04, 2017, 06:41:32 PM
I think its the same in NY also for the plates    if I lived closer to you jeff I would do it for you in a heart beat or teach you how to do it its not bad  the only thing I cant do is weld with a buzz box those things are junk but that's jmop  :)
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Hilltop366 on June 04, 2017, 07:26:24 PM
Practice on scraps that are similar to what you want to weld and set them up in the positions you need to weld in, also watch some instructional videos of welding in those positions then you will know if you want to try it on the real stuff.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: thecfarm on June 04, 2017, 09:15:39 PM
What's the thinkness you welding? I would wonder about my welding skills on a frame,driving down the road at 40mph. But think nothing about it on my tractor. Those migs are easy,and I do mean easy. Get one that runs off 220 and it has suited me fine for what I need around here on The Farm.
Must be someone you know will teach ya.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on June 05, 2017, 01:33:28 PM
Today is teach myself how to make double flare brakeline day.


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Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: sandhills on June 05, 2017, 04:32:47 PM
Well you got me beat boss a few weeks ago I made a perfect hydraulic line for dad's tractor, shaped kind of in a kinky U shape I guess, but I matched the OEM one perfect!  It was then I realized I didn't put the fittings back on before making the bends.  My puffed out chest deflated rather quickly  smiley_dunce.  Enjoying watching your progress. 
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: paul case on June 05, 2017, 07:33:09 PM
I am not sure that is a journey that a midget Dr. should embark on. Let us know how it turns out .

PC
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: fishpharmer on June 05, 2017, 07:46:45 PM
Quote from: Jeff on June 05, 2017, 01:33:28 PM
Today is teach myself how to make double flare brakeline day.




Recently made up some myself.  If I can, you certainly can make brake lines. :)
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: grouch on June 06, 2017, 05:40:39 AM
Quote from: Jeff on June 05, 2017, 01:33:28 PM
Today is teach myself how to make double flare brakeline day.


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How come you're not using copper-nickel brake line? It won't ever rust!
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on June 06, 2017, 06:22:03 PM
Today's project. Sprucing up the interior firewall. I've included a couple of not so good before photos of the interior firewall. Also the picture of the materials used 70 years ago to insulate and finish. Looks like cardboard and something akin to a heavy roofing felt.
I replaced it with a material I had on hand. The foil and plastic insulation I used to insulate the garage door. I had a large hunk left over, so othr than the engine paint I used on it, it was free.



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Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Darrel on June 06, 2017, 08:10:51 PM
Hey, that don't look too bad. In fact, it's lookin pretty DanG good!
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: grouch on June 06, 2017, 08:23:50 PM
Are those the original pedals? They barely look stepped on.

You're cheating. It's supposed to take six months just to grind the rust out and another year to get the sheet metal looking like that.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on June 06, 2017, 08:32:41 PM
Hard to wear those steel peddles. No rubber, just steel other than the acceler9 peddle. That is rubber.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: grouch on June 07, 2017, 06:28:10 AM
Most steel pedals I've seen have been worn slick by years of muddy boots sliding on them. A little grit, some water, rubber or leather soles for the sanding pad, lots of pressure and sliding the foot off the side -- unintended polishing and reshaping.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: TKehl on June 07, 2017, 07:20:26 AM
Ditto here.  We had an old Allis Chalmers that came from the factory with texture on the pedals and indents in the gas, but the clutch and brakes were smooth and thinning when we had it.  Had to watch it as the throttle control was so worn that bounces from raking hay kept increasing the throttle and making it go faster.  Lot of hours on that tractor.  The original owners son asked about and and we traded it back for a heifer. 

I'm wondering if they didn't originally have a rubber cover much of their life that's now gone.  Factory, aftermarket, or improvised?  Buy it from someone short?  Maybe they had 2x4s wired to reach the pedals.   :D
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on June 07, 2017, 07:38:15 AM
Maybe it just didn't have a lot of use.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Darrel on June 07, 2017, 12:03:17 PM
X2 on that Jeff because they are obviously original.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: grouch on June 07, 2017, 03:11:11 PM
Quote from: Jeff on June 07, 2017, 07:38:15 AM
Maybe it just didn't have a lot of use.

That's what I was guessing.

Maybe you have acquired some gentleman's Sunday go-to-meetin' truck. I've ridden in both extremes, as I'm sure many have:  The ones where you climb over a pile of garbage to sit down, if you dare, and the ones where you'd best wipe your feet unless you're ready to fight.

From what you've done and said so far, I'm glad you're the one who got it. Respects the one who kept it in good shape all these years.
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Post by: Jeff on June 07, 2017, 06:09:48 PM
It was a struggle, but it's coming. Spitting and splattering, burning holes, filling them in, grinding them out, whew. I guess it's all a learning experience. At least I can't screw anything up on the top of these fenders that someone that knows what they are doing can't fix. I'm cutting patches from the rusted out light can since its the perfect shape.


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Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Woodhauler on June 07, 2017, 07:09:41 PM
I welded a couple patches on a rocker sill with my mig welder, Low and slow was the way!
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Post by: grouch on June 07, 2017, 07:52:02 PM
How to learn to weld: Buy lots of grinder discs.  ;D

I do ok with 3/16 or thicker. The first MIG welder I had was so frustrating it mostly collected dust until lightning killed it. It was good for burning holes in sheet metal, in my hands.

A real welder (or is that weldor?) told me to just stitch with dots until they flowed and flattened and eventually connect the dots. I had been trying to weld beads, as I would with stick, on typical modern car body panels. Doing dots eventually taught me to see to weld lines. I'm still not good at it, but I can weld more than burn now. (Still prefer stick and heavier steel).
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Post by: 21incher on June 07, 2017, 07:56:40 PM
If you are going to keep it old school looks like you will have to learn how to apply lead next. ;D
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Post by: thecfarm on June 07, 2017, 09:10:21 PM
My brother fixed up a '48 Ford truck. He tried lead. I forgot how it came out. I was working on a home and found a box of lead in the attic. I asked about it and the guy had no idea it was there. House been sold,2-3 times? He gave it to me when I told him what I wanted it for.
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Post by: snowstorm on June 08, 2017, 07:19:38 AM
welding??? push a mig drag a stick. mig is easy. when i learned over 40 yrs ago we didnt have such things. get a auto darking helmet. they are nice. use both hands one to steady the other. small dia wire 025. for gas i use argon with a bit of oxygen. old rusty steel will not weld good with a mig/ .rust dirty use splatter rod 6011. any wind will blow the shielding gas away. for anyone that is learning to weld with a  a c machine buy 7018 ac rod. it runs way better
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Post by: grouch on June 08, 2017, 11:12:11 AM
Quote from: snowstorm on June 08, 2017, 07:19:38 AM
welding??? push a mig drag a stick. mig is easy. when i learned over 40 yrs ago we didnt have such things. get a auto darking helmet. they are nice. use both hands one to steady the other. small dia wire 025. for gas i use argon with a bit of oxygen. old rusty steel will not weld good with a mig/ .rust dirty use splatter rod 6011. any wind will blow the shielding gas away. for anyone that is learning to weld with a  a c machine buy 7018 ac rod. it runs way better

Amen on the helmet. That made a lot more difference for me than I ever would have guessed before using one.

I use 75% argon / 25% CO2. How do you get by using oxygen in your shielding gas?

A flap disc or flap wheel gets sheet metal clean without the aggravation of wire bristles everywhere.
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Post by: snowstorm on June 08, 2017, 05:28:08 PM
It's only like 2%oxygen
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Post by: Jeff on June 18, 2017, 08:08:26 PM
My latest accomplishment on the dodge was replacement of one of the rear engine mounts. Here is a pic of the old and new lower half of the mount and a picture of the installed mount no pic of old upper mount rubber, as it was gone!


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And today, I found some pvc fake diamond plate at Menards. 4 by 8 sheet cheaper than 1/8 sheet of the 1/16" real stuff. So, we spent alittle time to see how it will look once installed as door panels.


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Post by: Darrel on June 18, 2017, 08:17:18 PM
Awesome looking door panel!
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Post by: Magicman on June 18, 2017, 09:46:15 PM
I never knew about the fake diamond plate, and it looks good.  I have a need. 
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Post by: gspren on June 19, 2017, 08:12:15 AM
   How thick is the PVC diamond plate?
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Post by: Ljohnsaw on June 19, 2017, 09:18:07 AM
And is the plastic silver or is it just the surface?  Wondering how its going to wear over time.  Maybe Kbeitz will find some in the junk yard for you and bring it up to the Pig Roast. ;)
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Post by: Jeff on June 19, 2017, 09:31:54 AM
It's not very thick but it is tough stuff. We did a test on the sample on the wall at menards.  :)

Fasade® decorative 4' x 8' vinyl wall panels quickly and easily transform any room with their unique, architectural design. Theses panels are water-resistant and durable which make them perfect for high abuse areas in your home including the garage, bathroom or utility room.  With multiple finishes to choose from and styles ranging from industrial to modern to traditional, there is sure to be a Fasade® wall panel that meets all of your design needs.
Dimensions: 48" x 96" x 0.030"
Brand Name: Fasade by ACP
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Post by: TKehl on June 20, 2017, 08:09:53 AM
At the price for the given use, who cares if it wears over time!  A coat of paint and good as new!

I'd be tempted to try some black or pewter semigloss crackle paint for a subdued eye catcher.

I'll have to take a look at this stuff for my Explorer project (if I don't sell it first).
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Post by: Jeff on June 20, 2017, 08:10:47 PM
Window frame test!  I still have the inner upper cowl to weld in and the patch where the roof welds to it yet before it can actually go in.


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Post by: thecfarm on June 20, 2017, 09:06:54 PM
Having alot of fun with that truck,ain't ya.  ;D
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Post by: grouch on June 21, 2017, 05:25:42 AM
Well, I guess I'm the left threaded nut in the coffee can, but to me, that kind of door panel on that truck is awful. It looks like something I'd put in my old junker, except with the slick side out to make it easier to wipe grease and -stuff- off of.

The Forestry Forum logo on one side of the door and plastic fake aluminum diamond plate on the other? I wouldn't want glitter and bling when you open the door, I'd want smooth and tough. That space begs for a white oak or eastern red cedar panel. I'd be willing to bet there are any number of people on here who'd be happy to make those panels from a paper or cardboard template, just for the bragging rights. Once *you* put that logo on there, it becomes THE Forestry Forum Truck, whether or not you christen it thus.
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Post by: Peter Drouin on June 21, 2017, 06:05:52 AM
Quote from: grouch on June 21, 2017, 05:25:42 AM
Well, I guess I'm the left threaded nut in the coffee can, but to me, that kind of door panel on that truck is awful. It looks like something I'd put in my old junker, except with the slick side out to make it easier to wipe grease and -stuff- off of.

The Forestry Forum logo on one side of the door and plastic fake aluminum diamond plate on the other? I wouldn't want glitter and bling when you open the door, I'd want smooth and tough. That space begs for a white oak or eastern red cedar panel. I'd be willing to bet there are any number of people on here who'd be happy to make those panels from a paper or cardboard template, just for the bragging rights. Once *you* put that logo on there, it becomes THE Forestry Forum Truck, whether or not you christen it thus.




I'm with you on fake stuff. I stay away from fakes.  :D :D
But , the truck looks nice with the work on it so far.

I would put a door panel to match the seat.   
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Post by: Jeff on June 21, 2017, 06:40:36 AM
First of all, you can't tell it is fake, even when you touch it, second of all you must hate vinyl as it is fake leather third of all I think your mother dresses you funny. :D

The original material was paper on tar paper that looked like leather.
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Post by: Jeff on June 21, 2017, 07:20:18 AM
I do have a tentative plan that will be conducive to this being the Forestry Forum truck.
I've been planning on taking the Forestry Forum pigroast table out of commission for awhile. It's so big and heavy and it's getting so weathered, and I'm tired of moving it. So, I'm considering using that to make a one piece of redwood bed for it, redwood running boards and a front bumper that has "millrat" routed into it.  I picture a bumper with oval ends, I'll cut it in the middle, slightly angle the cuts, then reattach, sand the center so it has a curved look to it.
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Post by: paul case on June 21, 2017, 09:32:12 AM
I like the door panels.
I like the bed idea.
I know my opinion dont count for much.
I always heard ''you are ugly and yore mama dresses you funny''.
Perfectionist attitude just wont work for the kind of project you are doing Jeff. I have a sawmill with a FF sticker on it and I don't have to ask before I do something to it, neither do you.
PC
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Post by: Peter Drouin on June 21, 2017, 07:16:22 PM
Ken ya keep my mom out of it, Thanks, I don't like vinyl.
A cloth seat cover with matching doors. And a nice roof liner.
Just thinking an old truck with a little class is all.


Paul, perfectionist attitude is what makes a person a Professional.
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Post by: Magicman on June 21, 2017, 07:44:12 PM
With any "rebuild from virtual junk" a realistic decision has to be made regarding whether it will be an "original" restoration or "practical modifications allowed" restoration.  In this instance I believe that the decision was dictated by the truck's condition which meant keeping as much original as possible/practicable and then suiting your own fancy as the opportunity presented itself.

I see this as a street rod, hot rod, rat rod, millrat rod which has no limits other than Jeff's artistic imagination.
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Post by: Peter Drouin on June 22, 2017, 05:50:01 AM
Yes Magicman I'm 100% with you on that. Even with real steel on the doors it looks too new for the truck.
Maybe if the boss puts some on the end of the bed to mount the tail lights too. Maybe diamond plate running boards. 
Would make it all work.
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Post by: TKehl on June 22, 2017, 05:48:03 PM
As much as I like the diamond plate (I really do, not being sarcastic), my mind wanders.  With all the artistic pictures of the truck and youngsters on this thread, the inside door panels are one protected area that intricate wood design could be used without worry about exposure to the elements etc.

I'm thinking a CNC cut or laser engraved image of some sort overlayed on a thin sheet of contrasting material. 

If you want to try out the CNC thing, I'd do it on the house.  May not be able to do it in one panel though, depends on size. 

Would like to offer laser too, but it was acting up last time used and I haven't got back to troubleshooting yet.  It's basically antique as far as electronics go. 
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Post by: Jeff on June 22, 2017, 08:47:58 PM
The door panels can only be a maximum of 1/8" thick or the door must be heavily modified to accommodate the handles and other hardware. That is also the area that takes the most abuse in a cab other than the floor.  veneer or something like that would have to b fake to hold up. Did I say fake?  ;) :)
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Post by: Jeff on June 22, 2017, 09:51:12 PM
I got my replacement light buckets sanded and ready for paint. Tammy was thrilled and thought they were going on like this. Let me be the first to say, no, they are not. :D I've got a cool idea if I can accomplish it.

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Post by: 21incher on June 23, 2017, 07:00:17 AM
If you use the plastic in the door panels be sure to leave a lot of room for expansion and contraction and use oversized holes for mounting. That stuff moves a lot with temperature change. Looking great thanks for sharing this trip.   move_it
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Post by: TKehl on June 23, 2017, 07:27:40 AM
MUST STARE...

AT LAVA LAMP...   ;D
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Post by: Farmerjw on June 23, 2017, 12:30:10 PM
Jeff, did you ever get the magazine?? ???
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Post by: Jeff on June 23, 2017, 09:54:28 PM
I did!  Sorry I forgot to say something. Thank You!  That's a great magazine if you like old trucks.
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Post by: Jeff on June 23, 2017, 10:03:51 PM
Yesterday and today was spent rebuilding the cab windshield opening.


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Post by: Magicman on June 23, 2017, 10:31:21 PM
 8)
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Post by: Peter Drouin on June 24, 2017, 06:01:55 AM
Nice job, Old truck is coming along well, 8)
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Post by: Jeff on June 24, 2017, 06:54:03 AM
Primer then red, to be followed after hard by black, then wet sanded to bring out just a touch of red, so it looks like the rest if the truck again.


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Post by: Roxie on June 24, 2017, 07:04:42 AM
Glad you put the headlight holders on.  When you posted the picture of them all shined up, I couldn't remember where they were originally. 
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Post by: coxy on June 24, 2017, 07:55:24 AM
do you think you will have it done in time for the pig roast :)  thinking 25$ a ride and 50$ a ride for farm animals  :-X :D
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Post by: Jeff on June 24, 2017, 09:36:47 AM
Nah, no way by then. Pretty soon I'm going to have to set it aside to concentrate on the pigroast chores.
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Post by: Jeff on June 24, 2017, 12:52:27 PM
Faux paint patina completed on windshield opening repair.


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Post by: Banjo picker on June 24, 2017, 03:53:58 PM
I like a vehicle with some soul.  With most of the newer cars or trucks you got to be within 50 feet of it before you know for sure what brand it is.  Banjo
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Post by: coxy on June 24, 2017, 04:54:59 PM
or color
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Post by: Jeff on June 27, 2017, 10:53:13 AM
Front hubs finished and awaiting delivery of correct wheel cylinders.


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Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on July 02, 2017, 06:41:44 AM
Attempting a 50 piece jigsaw puzzle blindfolded today. AKA, putting in door glass and window regulators in the 46 Dodge when the original parts were not in there for an example.
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Post by: Papa1stuff on July 02, 2017, 01:09:16 PM
Google how to on that window  Jeff, maybe someone out there has done that
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Post by: Jeff on July 03, 2017, 01:48:49 PM
Yes, that is really a crank up window, and yes, it really cranks up and down. After a day and a half, and becoming blood brothers with my Dodge, my number one helper Tammy and I are finally getting somewhere.


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Post by: Woodhauler on July 03, 2017, 03:16:41 PM
Quote from: Jeff on July 03, 2017, 01:48:49 PM
Yes, that is really a crank up window, and yes, it really cranks up and down. After a day and a half, and becoming blood brothers with my Dodge, my number one helper Tammy and I are finally getting somewhere.


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Is it a split window? See the metal bar in the middle, Just wonder how it works?
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Post by: Jeff on July 03, 2017, 07:02:35 PM
Don't have the corner vent windows in yet. So, yea, kinda like split window.
I just came in from putting the back window in.


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Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Woodhauler on July 04, 2017, 07:06:51 AM
Good you have google to go to. I took a 1916 pump shotgun apart to clean once, needed google to help put it together.
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Post by: Jeff on July 04, 2017, 07:44:32 AM
There was nothing on Google anywhere for the innards of the doors.
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Post by: Woodhauler on July 04, 2017, 07:55:20 AM
Plenty of pictures of window regulater, But didn't see any of it in door. You got one done so it easy peasy now!
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Post by: Jeff on July 04, 2017, 09:12:17 AM
Yup, the hard part was figuring it all out, and, getting the new window back on the regulator track. That is where Tammy and I fought the thing for hours. I'd imagine there is a special tool for compressing the little spring button things that allows the window to enter the track. I had to make my own finally That's how the truck and I became blood brothers, sliding my hand in and out of those small sheet metal openings on the door. The back of my hand is raw. 
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Post by: Jeff on July 05, 2017, 08:13:09 PM
Basking in a sense of accomplishment today. FINALLY completed the brake system on the dodge. When I got it, it came with everything brake related gone. No shoes, wheel cylinders, master cylinders, pretty much nothing on the truck. After rebuilding replacing searching, finding, receiving, returning and all sorts of other verbs and 4 letter adjectives, after building tools and gauges to make sure things were right, the brakes on the 71 year old Dodge are complete!
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Post by: newoodguy78 on July 05, 2017, 08:44:42 PM
Nice job 8)
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Post by: sandhills on July 06, 2017, 09:44:08 AM
I've never minded brake work but, I've also never started from scratch, always had something to work with or copy.  Nice job, I love the way you're "gettin er done". 
PS, I still think it needs a camper  :-X  :)
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Post by: Jeff on July 06, 2017, 10:48:38 AM
Quote from: sandhills on July 06, 2017, 09:44:08 AM
I've never minded brake work but, I've also never started from scratch, always had something to work with or copy.  Nice job, I love the way you're "gettin er done". 
PS, I still think it needs a camper  :-X  :)

We can discuss it when you get to the pigroast. ;)
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Post by: Jeff on July 06, 2017, 11:02:26 AM
 

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Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: sandhills on July 06, 2017, 02:54:57 PM
Quote from: Jeff on July 06, 2017, 10:48:38 AM
Quote from: sandhills on July 06, 2017, 09:44:08 AM
I've never minded brake work but, I've also never started from scratch, always had something to work with or copy.  Nice job, I love the way you're "gettin er done". 
PS, I still think it needs a camper  :-X  :)

We can discuss it when you get to the pigroast. ;)
Ahh, touche (or however you spell it).  When I do get there, it will be in a rig something similar, I'm working on it  ;).  Very nice job on the brakes BTW  :).
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Post by: Ox on July 06, 2017, 05:35:39 PM
Why the jig using the PVC pipe? :P
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Post by: Jeff on July 06, 2017, 05:53:31 PM
There are no self adjusters on these brakes. They have  what is called major and minor adjustments. A major is done when you install, or if they are really out. Back then they had a gauge you mounted on the spindle to set sho clearances. You first placed it in the drum to get the diameter, then mounted it on the spindle to transfer the measurement. If you can find one of those gauges now, they are over 1000 bucks. Mine was free. When I placed the drum on, they went on with just a slight drag. The minor adjustment can be done with the drums on as needed.
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Post by: coxy on July 06, 2017, 06:28:25 PM
jeff do you have an air nibbler/needle scalar  if you don't you should get one they work great for getting rust off small to medium size parts  I could have used one for years got one and used it 3x  :D
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Post by: Jeff on July 06, 2017, 06:55:45 PM
Never heard of those. Had to look it up!

Today's accomplishment on the Dodge. I built a new mount and adjuster for the new 12 volt alternator. Switching the charging system from the 6 volt positive ground, and adding a modern fuse block. The alternator is now mounted and I actually found a belt to work with only 3 trips to Napa! Too long, too short, just right!


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Today the best place to be was in the pole barn. It's nice in There!


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Post by: paul case on July 06, 2017, 10:18:03 PM
Looking real good!!!!

PC
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Post by: Jeff on July 07, 2017, 09:43:50 PM
Today was remanufacture the remanufactured running board bracket day. I had to come up with a way to lengthen them, and was able to do so with some of the scraped steel my friend Harold Bobo hooked me up with. My welds are getting better all the time. So you all know, if you happen to end up standing on my running boards someday, I did all the welding.;)

I had to jump to the brackets, because I want to put the fuel tank in, and in order to bolt in the front running board bracket, the tank has to be out.


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Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: grouch on July 07, 2017, 11:47:12 PM
You're really moving along with this thing!

Who's looking over your shoulder on your welding?

Hope you're doing practice welding on some scrap. MIG is notorious for producing pretty beads that only fuse to one side. Weld something of similar thickness then put it in a vise and beat the crap out of it with a big hammer. If the weld holds, you can pile people on those running boards until they bend (the running boards, that is, not the people).
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on July 08, 2017, 08:17:22 AM
Quote from: grouch on July 07, 2017, 11:47:12 PM
Who's looking over your shoulder on your welding?

That would be Harley. I trust his opinion of what I do explicitly
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Post by: coxy on July 08, 2017, 10:37:19 AM
looking good 8)  the first time I welded with a mig  I did the roll bars in a stock my car 2 weeks later my uncle drove the car rolled it and not one crack in the cage  8) 8) must have got lucky  ;D
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Post by: pigman on July 08, 2017, 11:34:48 AM
I want to know why we call them running boards instead of step boards.
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Post by: red on July 08, 2017, 11:56:36 AM
The first running boards predate automobiles and were installed on carriages as early as the 17th Century.  Somethings just don't change .
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Post by: grouch on July 08, 2017, 11:40:10 PM
Quote from: Jeff on July 08, 2017, 08:17:22 AM
Quote from: grouch on July 07, 2017, 11:47:12 PM
Who's looking over your shoulder on your welding?

That would be Harley. I trust his opinion of what I do explicitly

You lucky dog. Having a local mentor greatly reduces the time it takes to learn to do it right.

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Post by: chet on July 09, 2017, 12:48:46 PM
Quote from: pigman on July 08, 2017, 11:34:48 AM
I want to know why we call them running boards instead of step boards.

'cause if ya step off one while travelin' down da road you had better be already runnin'  :D
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Post by: Jeff on July 09, 2017, 07:48:19 PM
Today I got the fuel tank painted, sending unit assembled, fabricated a rear take mount, and now have the tank mounted in the truck. Next job is to make my steel fuel lines and get the tank fill tube installed.



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Post by: coxy on July 09, 2017, 09:00:10 PM
I thought they where behind the seat
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Post by: Jeff on July 09, 2017, 09:10:10 PM
Not on a Dodge. Under the truck, between the frame rails. Much better than the counter parts of that time
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Post by: Don P on July 09, 2017, 09:40:37 PM
While redoing the lines on the chevy a year or so ago I found out, slowly, that most fuel line fittings have a different thread, type AN, Army Navy thread. Doesn't quite fit anything else.
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Post by: Jeff on July 10, 2017, 10:21:03 PM
Today the fuel system was finished. Filler neck, fuel lines built and connected, all complete. The truck is ready to put gas in the tank. I installed the heater I rebuilt months ago, and hooked up all the heater hoses. It's now ready to add coolant. Technically, I could put gas in it, throw the front wheels on it, hook the battery up, and drive it. No lights or electrical system yet, but heck, I really should try out those brakes! ;)

Almost forgot, I also straightened the exhaust and bolted that back on, so the exhaust system is ready too.


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Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: coxy on July 10, 2017, 10:23:36 PM
hope you put straight pipe on it  ;D
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Post by: Jeff on July 11, 2017, 08:44:29 PM
Yahoo!
https://youtu.be/FCuf3b9-sAg
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Post by: Jeff on July 11, 2017, 09:23:41 PM
https://youtu.be/vINyANMnvuE

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Post by: newoodguy78 on July 11, 2017, 10:18:59 PM
Thanks for the ride. A few more trips around the block and I'll betcha you'll be grabbing those gears like an old pro  smiley_thumbsup.Is that a 3-speed? Bummer about the overheating but still very impressive work. That rig has come a long way in a pretty short amount of time. Keep up the good work I really like what you've done to it that old girl has class 8)
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Post by: Peter Drouin on July 12, 2017, 06:00:54 AM
Looking good, the old cars and trucks, you have to double clutch them.
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Post by: WDH on July 12, 2017, 07:33:15 AM
Bring it down here and we will put some standards on it and haul some logs  ;D. 
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Post by: grouch on July 12, 2017, 05:34:48 PM
Thanks, Tammy, for that ride-along in spite of the spinning u-joint where the floorboard should be!  ;D  When the video started, I was afraid we wouldn't get to hear that distinctive flathead sound or the transmission whine.

Synchronizers have spoiled us all. Even my old tractor has 2nd-3rd and 5th-6th synced. Just makes me grind the others and feel silly. Once had to drive a '65 VW Beetle home without a clutch cable. Shifting required tickling the throttle and listening. Thankfully, only had to go through 1 city with traffic lights. (Rough on the starter).

[Edit to add:]
Gotta find more work to do in the shade and stop burning up my few remaining brain cells. Driving that VW without a clutch is not the same problem as shifting unsynchronized gears while under way.
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Post by: chet on July 12, 2017, 05:46:19 PM
Not ta worry 'bout dat gear grindin'. Once dem gears git all rounded over she'll shift as smooth as silk.  :)
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Post by: chet on July 12, 2017, 05:52:19 PM
Jeff did ya pull da thermostat out of it and see if it still opens up? That is if some one way back when didn't already yank it out.
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Post by: Delawhere Jack on July 12, 2017, 08:03:37 PM
 

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And the neighborhood was never the same again.....  :D

Nice work Boss Man!
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Post by: Jeff on July 12, 2017, 09:11:49 PM
Do ya thunk this might be part of my problem?  :D   I went out this morning and took the cap off, and a long strand of nastiness was up hanging in the top of the radiator. I pulled all this crap out.  I did a flush and got more.   Not sure what it all is, but a lot of it is hair.   Looks like at one time there was a critter house in the radiator.  The cap was off of it when we first found it in that barn.  I'm worried how much crap might still be hanging in there. What would dissolve hair?



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Post by: rjwoelk on July 12, 2017, 09:12:57 PM
Neet  :D
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Post by: thecfarm on July 12, 2017, 09:16:21 PM
drain-o- ?
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Post by: Jeff on July 12, 2017, 09:17:04 PM
Id be scared to death what it might do to that old radiator core.
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Post by: chet on July 12, 2017, 09:18:20 PM
Quote from: rjwoelk on July 12, 2017, 09:12:57 PM
Neet  :D

Yup and lots of it.  :D :D :D
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Post by: chet on July 12, 2017, 09:20:22 PM
Given the fact that it is moving, and collecting at the filler cap is a good sign
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Post by: Jeff on July 12, 2017, 09:31:37 PM
Didn't think about it that way. Yer right!  :)    I ran it about 10 minutes today after I flushed it. It hung at about 170°, maybe a bit more. Its just straight water. I think if I go ahead and put coolant in it, it should be okay.
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Post by: thecfarm on July 12, 2017, 09:35:17 PM
I can still hear my Father tell me they use to run kerosene in the radiator in the winter time.
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Post by: Don P on July 12, 2017, 09:46:25 PM
There is prolly a pile of it stuck around the thermostat.

If it does give trouble I believe the hot tank in old radiator shops used caustic soda, which is the same as drano I believe, lye. That will eat hair, and you! I'd flush it really good afterwards.
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Post by: Gary_C on July 12, 2017, 10:31:12 PM
Try washing soda or baking soda followed by boiling hot water for organic material like hair. Both are hard on plastics but not necessarily radiator metals so should not hurt the radiator.
If you have scale deposits, some kind of acid cleaner is needed but be very careful to not mix acidic cleaners and soda or take care to completely flush one before using another type.
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Post by: grouch on July 12, 2017, 10:48:19 PM
What kind of bait did you use to get that critter?

I knew you folks in the Great Frozen North were a little nuts, but never dreamed you'd use a radiator for trappin' varmints!


I'm with Don P -- the thermostat may be acting as a trap. Maybe the water pump vanes, too. Pull the thermostat and re-flush without it?
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Post by: Jeff on July 12, 2017, 10:55:48 PM
I need t drain the water n dowto put coolant in it anyway, so ya'll talked me into pulling the thermostat.
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Post by: Chuck White on July 13, 2017, 07:23:25 AM
Jeff;  Since you'll have the thermostat removed, maybe try hooking a water hose to the drain-cock on the bottom of the radiator, remove the filler cap and back-flushing the radiator?
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Post by: TKehl on July 13, 2017, 08:07:55 AM
Caustic Soda eats Aluminum real fast.  Have some experience there.

Guessing your radiator is brass or copper.  It may be okay, but I see mixed opinions.  I wouldn't try it unless the flushing fails, then there's not much to loose.

I can say the Stainless basket we use in our caustic dip tank stays pretty clean. 
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Post by: Jeff on July 13, 2017, 08:17:38 AM
After sleeping on it, I'm going to see how the flushing worked. If I haveto do somethig further, I will, but like Chet mentioned, the system must be flowing because all this stuff was pushed up to the neck of the radiator.  I'd had the engine running two or three times before this, but just running and there was no sign of this stuff when I did that. Only after that drive.  The pile you see there was not in one big solid clump.  I used a set of long nosed pliers to pull it out a bit at a time. THe photo is where I piled it as I removed it.
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Post by: paul case on July 13, 2017, 09:13:31 AM
That will probably work. Did you have a temp guage hooked up when you drove it? If not then I would get one. I have had more engine failure to overheating than anything else.

PC
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Post by: Jeff on July 13, 2017, 10:10:36 AM
The truck has a mechanical, working, temp gauge. In the video you can kinda hear me mention the gauge going up and getting back to the house.
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Post by: Raider Bill on July 13, 2017, 12:32:42 PM
Just leave it alone and it will fall out naturally. Mine is anyway. :D
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Post by: Jeff on July 13, 2017, 10:35:30 PM
How a table becomes a truck.


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Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: trapper on July 13, 2017, 11:13:00 PM
will the truck be a table at the pigroast?
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Post by: Jeff on July 13, 2017, 11:14:07 PM
Door prize table!
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Post by: WDH on July 14, 2017, 07:27:22 AM
Perfect  8).
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Post by: Grandpa on July 14, 2017, 07:31:11 AM
I'm a couple of days late but want to thank Jeff and Tammy for the ride along. Sights and sounds of my younger days. :)
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Post by: Jeff on July 14, 2017, 10:18:04 PM
One of my friends came over and brought his tablet endoscope. We ran it in the radiator and down the hose to the thermostat. There is no thermostat. We didn't see any more debris.  I also found the reason we had smoke. I noticed the silver engine paint on the exhaust manifold is now a toasty golden brown.
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Post by: Jeff on July 15, 2017, 08:14:20 PM
Finished any major bodywork this weekend, like the places where the fenders meet the running boards.


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What do y'all think of my headache rack design?


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Post by: Grizzly on July 15, 2017, 08:19:19 PM
I like it! Just thinking though.........with your creative bent that you seem to have are we going to see some logo paint on that there rack?
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Post by: paul case on July 15, 2017, 08:39:20 PM
I like that sawblade Idea.!!

PC
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Post by: btulloh on July 15, 2017, 09:52:00 PM
Love the sawblade.  Did you cut that with torch?

Awesome truck.
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Post by: Jeff on July 15, 2017, 09:55:58 PM
Nope, 4" cut off wheel. Now i have to weld it back together. Not sure my little wire welder is the best answer for that.
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Post by: Peter Drouin on July 15, 2017, 10:11:13 PM
Are you going to raise the bed higher off the frame?
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Post by: Jeff on July 15, 2017, 10:16:29 PM
The bed is going to be narrowed. The board is only setting on there so it can dry inside. I realize it's to close to the tires as it sets, so it's going to be narrow, and the rims reveresed so then some sort of fenders can be fashioned.
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Post by: Jeff on July 15, 2017, 10:19:34 PM
Running board template


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Post by: btulloh on July 15, 2017, 10:51:00 PM
Quote from: Jeff on July 15, 2017, 09:55:58 PM
Nope, 4" cut off wheel. Now i have to weld it back together. Not sure my little wire welder is the best answer for that.

Perfect excuse to get a 400 amp mig/tig 100% duty cycle welder. Might as well get a plasma cutter too.
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Post by: glassman_48 on July 16, 2017, 07:22:31 AM
Jeff,
Nice old truck, when I come down for the pigroast I will show  you what we did for windshields for guys that chopped old trucks. 
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Post by: Jeff on July 16, 2017, 01:25:01 PM
One side done, to tired to do the other side! :D


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Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Bruno of NH on July 16, 2017, 04:36:48 PM
Nice job on the running board.
It looks sharp
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Post by: Jeff on July 16, 2017, 07:42:19 PM
I got the other one finished. Woo.
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Post by: chet on July 16, 2017, 09:08:40 PM
Henry Ford wasn't da only one ta make a woody, now Da Dodge brothers have one too.  8)
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Post by: thecfarm on July 16, 2017, 09:46:31 PM
You are a mighty clever guy.
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Post by: scully on July 16, 2017, 10:00:20 PM
Nice old truck !
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Post by: paul case on July 16, 2017, 10:10:51 PM
Quote from: Bruno of NH on July 16, 2017, 04:36:48 PM
Nice job on the running board.
It looks sharp
x2
PC
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Post by: Don P on July 16, 2017, 10:53:09 PM
She's looking great.
The Dodge Bros comment brought this to mind sittin on the bookshelf. It is older than yours but neat artwork from the brand. It says Dodge Brothers around the star.
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Post by: Jeff on July 17, 2017, 08:24:33 AM
That is very cool Don!
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Post by: TKehl on July 17, 2017, 09:17:38 AM
I like the saw blade, but where are you going to hang gum boots if you do that?   :D  ;D

As for fenders, we have a 1940 Ford homemade tow truck that my grandpa used at his service station in IA in the 40's and 50's.  In addition to the rebar grill, the rear fenders were made from cut down 55 gallon drums.  I do think they are thicker than today's barrels though. 
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Post by: Jeff on July 17, 2017, 10:14:48 PM
 

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Post by: sandhills on July 17, 2017, 10:28:32 PM
Well the pup certainly looks content  :).  I have a few tractors I'd like to bring you, you (Tom) sure seem to get a lot more done then me, love the truck and great work!
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Post by: Weekend_Sawyer on July 22, 2017, 10:08:51 AM
great job Jeff, that is one cool looking truck
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Post by: Jeff on July 22, 2017, 12:54:48 PM
M.R. Truck got his night lights back today!

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Post by: sandhills on July 22, 2017, 01:08:54 PM
I get more jealous every time I bring this up  :)
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Post by: loggah on July 22, 2017, 07:05:47 PM
She's looking good Jeff!! I started working on the 1930 Stewart the other day, got the 1950 Dodge engine purring, but lots more to do.Something about tinkering on this old iron that just gives one a bit of satisfaction to bring them back to life ! ;D
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Post by: Jeff on July 22, 2017, 07:25:19 PM
No more Fred Flinstone rides! M.R. Truck now has a floor. :)


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Post by: Jeff on July 22, 2017, 08:51:00 PM
 

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Post by: Jeff on July 22, 2017, 10:47:34 PM
Before, and once again.


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Post by: isawlogs on July 23, 2017, 08:33:24 AM
 :)   Really enjoying watching your truck come to life.  Beau travail mon ami!!!!!
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Post by: Jeff on July 23, 2017, 09:28:01 AM
Today's project. Getting the bed more weather resistant so M.R. Truck can be outside and serve as a table for the pigroast.


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Post by: thecfarm on July 23, 2017, 09:36:46 AM
All is looking good.
Really like that last picture with the 2 tractors and sawmill in the background!!
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Post by: Ox on July 23, 2017, 09:47:05 AM
I think that can says Helmsman.  Is that right?
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Post by: Jeff on July 23, 2017, 09:59:21 AM
Yup, Helsman Spar Urethane.
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Post by: Ox on July 23, 2017, 10:07:51 AM
I was afraid of that.  It brushes on nice, looks nice and feels nice.  Indoors.  Outdoors it will start flaking off in a year or so if I remember right.  The whole idea of this being a "marine varnish" is a farce, unfortunately.  I learned this the hard way and I don't want to burst anyone's bubble, but this is certainly not for anything that will get sunlight.  If you keep it parked inside and it hardly ever sees the sun it might last you. 

Maybe find some UV resistant clear coat (automotive?) that is expensive but you only need a coat or two to go over what you have down now?  I don't know what the answer is for a durable, affordable clear coat for outdoors.

I've studied on using paint base for the darker colors.  It looks promising.  Brushes on colored but dries mostly clear and protects like a good exterior paint should.  I'll be doing tests sometime soon.  Somebody already has and got several years out of his tests in some of the worst conditions you could imagine so that's good enough for me.
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Post by: Jeff on July 23, 2017, 01:09:36 PM
Ive used this before and had no problems. It is U.V. rated. This is not something that is going to be outside constantly to begin with. I don't have any qualms about using it. That chunk of redwood has been outside as a table with no protection what so ever for the last 10 years so this has to be better than that.
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Post by: Ox on July 23, 2017, 03:23:06 PM
That's good news that you've had good luck with it - I remember reading all that UV stuff on the can too and my luck with it was very disappointing.  I then looked up online about it and it was probably 75% bad luck and 25% happy with it.  I hope it works as well for you as you want it to. 

Perhaps my problem was my wood item with the stuff painted on it was outside 24/7.  But then again, so are sailboats, which this product is gearing its advertising toward, which is why I was a little peeved with the fact that it doesn't last outside.  Maybe it will with a 6 month recoating schedule?  I'll never know cause I basically just oil everything nowadays and that's good for our stuff.  Quick, easy, messy sometimes but works outside just fine!
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Post by: isawlogs on July 23, 2017, 07:03:39 PM
Thats all I use on my canoe paddles and never had one come back from peeling.
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Post by: Jeff on July 23, 2017, 09:40:13 PM
Peeling usually means poor surface prep or poor surface.

Anyhow, I'm pleased with the look on this old growth redwood.


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Post by: paul case on July 23, 2017, 11:04:55 PM
Nice portable table. ;D

PC
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Post by: Jeff on July 25, 2017, 09:01:21 PM
You've come a long way M.R. Truck!

https://youtu.be/Vno9mZ8R91Y



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Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: chet on July 25, 2017, 09:40:20 PM
Did I hear ya correctly , dat she's still overheat'n?
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Post by: Jeff on July 25, 2017, 10:23:36 PM
Yes.
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Post by: grouch on July 25, 2017, 10:28:51 PM
Could be the rest of a family of critters clogging part of the water jacket in the engine block.

Any more furballs in the radiator since the latest ride?
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Post by: Jeff on July 25, 2017, 10:44:05 PM
Pulled another out tonight.  Posts on Google talk about a thermostat a must for these trucks or they will run hot. Turns out I had way to much coolant too. It didn't heat as bad as the first run but went to 200.
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Post by: Ox on July 26, 2017, 11:02:49 AM
Thermostat restricts the flow so it has more time in the radiator to get rid of heat.  I remember old timers talking about this and it makes sense.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on July 26, 2017, 05:53:41 PM
I had to order a thermostat. The one I got up town that said it fit, ain't even close.  This is the coolant I flushed back out of the heater hoses to pull the stat. It looks pretty good I'd say. I see some hair drifting in it, so I'm filtering it be for I use it again.

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Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Dave Shepard on July 26, 2017, 08:33:15 PM
No stat can definitely cause overheating.
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Post by: Gary_C on July 26, 2017, 09:19:42 PM
The notion that more flow thru a radiator (heat exchanger) will cause overheating is pure internet folly. Here is a quote from an internet site that is the most accurate:

As far as flowing too much fluid through the radiator, if you consult any engineering heat transfer textbook, or any industrial heat exchanger catalog's application pages, they will tell you that there is a proportional relationship between coolant flow and heat transfer. More flow = more cooling. It's just that simple.

As far as all the complicated stuff, turbulent flow, Reynolds numbers, all that stuff - cooling usually increases with turbulence. Turbulence increases with flow. So cooling increases with more flow.

Those old radiators were built plenty tough compared to what you find in newer vehicles and they can be fixed much easier if you can find an old fashioned radiator repair shop but good luck with that. If you can't flush it out or chemically clean it, you will probably have to have the top and bottom heads removed and the tubes thru the core "rodded out." They then solder the heads back on, test for leaks and proper flow and they are good to go again.

Putting in or taking out the thermostat is not going to stop overheating.
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Post by: Jeff on July 26, 2017, 09:31:52 PM
Just discovered something else. The the wrong radiator cap is on this truck. It has a pressure cap on it. This is a non pressurized cooling system. The cap should really be just a cover.

Gary you are wrong on a couple things. First of all, these radiators are not that tough. You would destroy it if you did a modern pressure test. They were not built as a pressure vessel. Also, your quote from the internet is from someone that tho is he is an engineer. He is wrong. You are right on circulation but that's not how these were designed. They need the radiator to hold the water so air flow cools the water, then that cooled water is released into the block. I spent some time on the phone today with the Authority on this vintage of truck that runs a parts and restoration company in Zealand for 1939 to 1948 dodge trucks specifically. One additional point on this truck, it has a by-pass thermostat system. It doesn't just restrict flow. It redirects it.
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Post by: Hilltop366 on July 26, 2017, 10:24:38 PM
I am of the thinking that not having the thermostat was more that the coolant flows too fast to pick up enough heat from the engine rather than not being able to dissipate the heat with the radiator.

The main reason for this thinking is that the engine can only produce a set amount of heat from the fuel it burns and friction but the cooling system should have a safety factor built in for hard work but an engine over heats with only light to moderate use with no thermostat.
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Post by: sandhills on July 27, 2017, 10:54:29 AM
I'm not going to argue anyone's points here but when we ran our stockcar  we had different sized washers to replace the thermostat, some reduction was needed to keep it cool.  I do know one thing for sure though, when they go bad and won't open things get hot  :D.  Yeah I'm a genius alright  ::).
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Post by: Jeff on July 27, 2017, 11:40:36 AM
We shall find out. These are the easy idea fixes. Anything else may mean a lot of work.
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Post by: pineywoods on July 27, 2017, 07:01:08 PM
If somebody put a pressure cap on the rad, likely because gases in the coolant from blown head gasket or warped head. Result is high temps, especially under heavy load..Them old long flat heads were prone to warp. I've hauled a few to the machine shop to be re-surfaced.. ::)
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Post by: Don P on July 27, 2017, 07:57:40 PM
Good point, they removed the thermostat for some reason, a compression check one lazy weekend would be a good idea anyway just to know how it's doing. I have an extra head or two in the barn if it ever comes to that, not sure what swaps on those through time.
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Post by: Jeff on July 27, 2017, 09:33:45 PM
I think they put the wrong cap on it because they lost the first one and it is what they had.. How do I know this? Because I found the rusted up original on top of a shroud between the radiator and the grill where it was probably dropped and never found. I only found it because I removed the shroud to clean and paint it.
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Post by: Jeff on July 29, 2017, 12:40:39 PM
Removed and refabricated my back bumper to fit my tail lights and plate mount. Also converted the old  cowl lights to parking and turn signal lights. I still have the huge wire harness job ahead of me.


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Post by: Jeff on July 29, 2017, 09:28:04 PM
https://youtu.be/yeNReYYVf5A
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Post by: Gearbox on July 29, 2017, 10:16:36 PM
Jeff If the radiator has a over flow hose just stick the hose in a cup of water and run it until it warms up . Watch for a small stream of bubbles out of the hose . Old foolproof way to check for compression in the cooling system . Only works if you have a overflow hose . Hope you get it figured out you are doing a great job .
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Post by: Jeff on July 31, 2017, 03:41:23 PM
I hope I hope I hope I found my over heating problem. While trying to put in the new thermostat that turned out to be the wrong one again, I stuck my pinky in the horizontal bypass hose, or at least tried to. It was completely plugged with hair. So, I tore all that apart down to the top of the water pimp and found the entire bypass fitting plugged. I've got it all back together again without a thermostat, but it's storming now so I haven't tested it. This really could have been the problem! I'd cross my fingers if they were not so crippled up. ;)


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Post by: DaveinNH on July 31, 2017, 04:53:49 PM
I almost had water come out of my nose on my laptop from the drink I took while reading this post. Spell or auto check can be hilarious "water pimp" :D
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Post by: Raider Bill on July 31, 2017, 04:59:09 PM
I think you will be fighting that hair for awhile. By now it's prob got in the water jackets.
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Post by: loggah on July 31, 2017, 06:24:28 PM
Jeff, If you take the water pump off theres also a long steel tube that goes the length of the block that has cutouts to direct water around the valve seats, you may want to check that to make sure it isn't plugged also. Don
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Post by: Jeff on July 31, 2017, 11:40:22 PM
Yes, the water distribution tube.  I test ran it tonight. still heated up.  I think I'm going to have to pull the head and the water pump to get to the bottom of this. 
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Post by: grouch on August 01, 2017, 07:12:48 AM
How much water pressure do you have available at your garden hose? Pull the radiator hoses off, hook the garden hose to the water inlet, aim the lower hose out the door, and let 'er rip for a while. Swap connections and do it again. Might save pulling a head.
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Post by: loggah on August 01, 2017, 07:25:40 AM
Jeff,I have never seen a heater hose connection come out of the bypass! you may be circulating a lot of the water thru the heater core and back into the block, without it going thru the radiator. just for grins take a flat vise grip and pinch off a heater hose and try it. On my tucker they have a metal section in the bottom radiator hose where they pick up the heater hose, and all the other heater hoses use the rear heater port on the back of the head. Just a shot in the dark ,easier then pulling the pump and head.
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Post by: sandhills on August 01, 2017, 10:01:06 AM
I'd be a little leery of pulling the head just yet, anytime you do that one thing just leads to another in my tries anyway  ;).  If it's for occasional use I'd just keep trying to flush it and get it to stay cool, if you want it road worthy and you pull the head then you just as well keep going all the way to the bottom, that's been my experience anyway, just my half a cent worth  :).  Someone else with way more smarts than me will chime in but anytime I've done head work without messing with the block/pistons/rings it seems to tighten things up enough then you're burning oil  :(.  Those older engines can be a little more forgiving but if me, I'd try to stay away from major stuff  ???.
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Post by: Jeff on August 01, 2017, 10:58:41 AM
loggah, now that you mention it, when I got the truck, there was a heater hose between the ends of the block and the heater wasn't even hooked up. That is certainly worth a shot.    Next thing I try will be isolating the hearter core like you mention, putting the thermostat in when it gets here after doing a major garden hose flush again and also pulling the radiator hose off the water pump so I can get in there and actually see if the pulley is turning the pump blades. I've read there is a shear pin in there.   I doubt that is it because last night the radiator, the heater core, and all hoses were heated up, so the water has to be circulating, but it may be just a thermal flow. I do not witness a flow through the top of the radiator.  I think the water is diverting either because of blockage, or lack there of, as in no restriction because no thermostat.
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Post by: Corley5 on August 01, 2017, 11:02:59 AM
Might be a good time to pop the soft plugs out of the block.  Wouldn't hurt to replace them anyway ;) :)
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Post by: thecfarm on August 01, 2017, 02:39:30 PM
I wonder if the over heating problem was why it was parked many years ago?
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Post by: Magicman on August 01, 2017, 08:06:01 PM
That has been my thought for a couple of weeks.   ???
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Post by: Don P on August 01, 2017, 08:12:47 PM
If you want an older engine that was rebuilt and anyone is coming by here on the way up to there...
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Post by: Jeff on August 01, 2017, 08:45:54 PM
What's the engine Don?
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Post by: Don P on August 01, 2017, 08:56:45 PM
Its the same as yours but in the '34 '35 version, still attached to the trans, been under the workbench since the turn of the century. It is lower hp but I think would bolt up. If I ever put my truck back together it'll have a 350 and auto, just a cool old body on a grocery getter. You're welcome to it if you want it. I'd guess it'll take up most of someones 3/4 ton bed.
I'm about an hour south of I-81-I-77 cross in southwestern VA. I have a loader here. Up at that crossing there is a Lowes I might be able to bribe a forklift out of in the parking lot.

Edit;
reading the book, it's a second series '35 L-6, full length water jacket, should be a direct bolt up. That engine was introduced in '33.
I think it was 201 cid 5.5:1 compression ratio 70 brake HP 3-1/8 borex4-1/8 stroke, yours should be a 217.8 cid 3-1/4x4-3/8 L-6 at 77 HP. I think my carb bore is 1-1/4 yours is 1-1/2, I have a box of those kind of parts that I have no use for...

The previous owner of mine, from memory, rebuilt it and bored it .040 over, bearings are .020 over. He did put some kind of full filtration on it with a modern oil filter. He ran it a very few miles just to confirm the rebuild, his Dad passed and he lost interest. I've never cranked it. All wires, plugs, carb etc are on it, I just pulled it and slid it under the bench.
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Post by: derhntr on August 05, 2017, 09:17:22 PM
The old girl was looking good today. Nice job Jeff
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Post by: Jeff on August 07, 2017, 03:35:24 PM
I pulled the radiator and Got a handful of this crap and a bunch of fine knarly stuff. Its flowing clear now. Gotta get my feet unpruned and then ill go put it all back together.


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Post by: Raider Bill on August 07, 2017, 03:37:56 PM
Stop leak.
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Post by: Corley5 on August 07, 2017, 03:41:45 PM
Pop the soft plugs and flush the block.
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Post by: Jeff on August 07, 2017, 04:44:15 PM
Quote from: Corley5 on August 07, 2017, 03:41:45 PM
Pop the soft plugs and flush the block.
Last resort. The softplugs,are all behind other stuff. I'd have to strip the engine. I dont think there is anything in the block. When i decided to do a major flush today, the radiator would not flow out the bottom.
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Post by: Magicman on August 07, 2017, 04:50:58 PM
 :o  Did everyone at the Pig Roast use the PortaJohn??   ::)
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Post by: Jeff on August 07, 2017, 07:00:20 PM
That sure is what it looks like.
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Post by: grouch on August 07, 2017, 07:01:29 PM
Quote from: Magicman on August 07, 2017, 04:50:58 PM
:o  Did everyone at the Pig Roast use the PortaJohn??   ::)

Just about choked on supper when I finally figured out why you posted that here!
:D
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Post by: loggah on August 08, 2017, 05:22:22 PM
Jeff, Thats some messy looking "CRAP" !!!!!, I had a issue with the Stewart heating now that I have a temp gauge in it. I pulled the thermostat, some brain surgeon once upon a time put a new thermostat in with the linen parts tag still attached !!!!! the string was there but just gobs of linen fabric around the thermostat and filled the bypass tube. You never know !!!!!
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Post by: Jeff on August 08, 2017, 05:34:05 PM
It's better, but not right. Looks to me like near a third of the radiator tubes have been soldered. I
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Post by: Jeff on August 09, 2017, 10:10:43 PM
Looks like the radiator is the main culprit. I hauled it in today, it's only letting about 15% through. Zero water column. It has to be recored.
This is what a water distribution tube looks like. This is the extra engine that came with the truck, which turns out to have a bad freeze crack in the block. The distribution tube is great if I need it.


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Post by: grouch on August 10, 2017, 12:57:09 AM
There are people who can weld or braze a cracked block, so I wouldn't count that spare engine as scrap.

I had a '39 Ford 9N tractor that had a chunk put back in the block. It had a combination of brazing and nickel welding holding things together. The Shaker who sold it to me pointed it out first thing. Never had a problem with that.
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Post by: loggah on August 10, 2017, 07:08:23 PM
Jeff, Sounds like your on the right track, mr truck will be happy when you keep its temperature down. Don
Title: I had a dream...
Post by: Jeff on August 11, 2017, 10:36:47 AM
So, I had a dream night before laast that caused me to stop anything else I was doing on M.R. Truck and address what happened in the dream.  I dreamed that one of the little neighbor girls had climbed up in the truck, which they do, because they like the truck. As I was watching, the little head disappeared below the windshield. That's when I heard the engine turn over and saw the truck lurch forward suddenly because she had scooted down in the seat and pushed the start peddle and the truck was in gear.

I have dreams like that all the time about things I never think of while I am awake. In this case, I woke up knowing I had a safety issue.  The starter peddle is wired directly to the starter. There is no neutral safely switch on this truck and shutting the key off only prevents the truck from starting, not from turning over.

So, after short consideration, I've installed a 12 volt shut off switch this morning. I put it in the center of the riser of the seat platform. The key locks in when it is on, and can be removed when in the off position.


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Post by: grouch on August 11, 2017, 01:16:08 PM
Excellent! Might not feel like it, but that was a _good_ dream!
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Post by: chet on August 11, 2017, 01:41:47 PM
Quote from: Jeff on August 11, 2017, 10:36:47 AM
So, I had a dream night before laast that caused me to stop anything else I was doing on M.R. Truck and address what happened in the dream. 

:) One of da few memories I have of my early childhood was driving my dad's cattle truck. My brothers and I found if we put dat big thing sticking out of da floor in a certain place, and one of us held down dat little nob on da floor, we could drive dat truck. We musta not figured out dat key thing, thank goodness.  :D  My dad sold dat truck just before he passed away, which would have made me 7, and my brothers 5 and 6.
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Post by: Jeff on August 11, 2017, 03:55:30 PM
Quote from: grouch on May 20, 2017, 05:56:12 AM
Keep 'em coming.

Door panels could be wood, too.


Don't never say I don't listen or I'm not flexible. ;) :)  Like I've said, the truck will tell me what it wants to be and diamond plate? M.R. Truck has decided he do not want dat.  :D    PICS TO COME
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Post by: grouch on August 11, 2017, 05:33:44 PM
You reached back a long way for that one. Now I'm nervous. :)
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Post by: Jeff on August 11, 2017, 06:48:29 PM
 

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Post by: grouch on August 11, 2017, 09:59:04 PM
Looks like it goes well with that running board. Mine can't be the only old eyes you're straining, though. I blew it up until it was just pixels and still didn't get a good look at it.

YOU PROMISED PICS! More than 1! Almost as bad as the beginning of this thread where you wouldn't reveal what you were up to.
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Post by: Jeff on August 11, 2017, 10:01:45 PM
Only one I have right now. That was mock up. My door hardware bezels are in paint and I have some gaskets to make.
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Post by: paul case on August 12, 2017, 05:55:26 AM
SWEET!
Good on the safety measures too boss.

PC
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Post by: sandhills on August 12, 2017, 09:36:43 AM
Yes, SWEET!  I love it  8).
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Post by: Jeff on August 13, 2017, 10:17:32 AM
This is no time for my Dyslexia to kick in.



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Post by: POSTON WIDEHEAD on August 13, 2017, 11:00:17 AM
For me wires are a nightmare...... especially what you're doing. May the force be with you.  :)
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Post by: Jeff on August 13, 2017, 11:11:08 AM
Yea, I'm having a bit of an issue wrapping my head around this.
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Post by: coxy on August 13, 2017, 11:13:41 AM
blue to red green to black tan to white does that help  :D
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Post by: grouch on August 13, 2017, 02:57:03 PM
I can't do anything without a pencil, some scrap paper and a few Post-its.

Really big projects require cardboard, plywood or OSB, and Duck tape.
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Post by: thecfarm on August 13, 2017, 03:37:37 PM
Phone camera helps out too.
I really like them at the hardware store. I get to see a picture instead of something that is kinda round with about a 2 inch piece and 2 holes,one square and one oval,or maybe round.  :D
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Post by: Jeff on August 13, 2017, 03:41:47 PM
I'm on day two of taking notes and making lists. The wiring harness has way to many wires in it for this simple truck, but I need to make sure I don't remove something I may regret later.
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Post by: grouch on August 13, 2017, 04:27:20 PM
Factory service manual wiring diagrams are always too cluttered for me to follow. I like to break things down to subsystems. Then again, my stuff is never as neat as I want it to be.

Have you considered wiring headlight relays (http://www.danielsternlighting.com/tech/relays/relays.html) in?
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Post by: Don P on August 13, 2017, 06:27:30 PM
Auto electric is black magic  :P.

Those generic Ford fender mount starter solonoids from around the 80's-early '90's era are excellent and cheap relays, they can run anything from a starter, glow plugs, a winch, thumper stereo, or whatever
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: grouch on August 13, 2017, 06:55:40 PM
The standard Bosch type relays sometimes come up in good deals. I got a 5 pack of 40A relays with sockets for $14 when I needed to put a trailer hookup on my Dodge. They were 4 wire sockets but easy to swap the wires to the positions needed.
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Post by: Magicman on August 13, 2017, 06:57:14 PM
Just be sure that they are rated for "continuous duty".
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Post by: Ianab on August 13, 2017, 07:13:28 PM
I just watched a clip on Youtube of some slightly crazy Aussies repowering an old VW beetle with an intercooled turbo Subaru engine. Ended up over 350 hp in a stock looking Beetle.

That wiring loom is nothing   :D They were wiring a custom engine computer into the old VW, with the electronic boost control, variable cam timing, flex fuel sensor, and "boost by gear" where the computer increased the turbo pressure once you got into a higher gear. (Reduces wheel spin in 1st and 2nd).

Totally crazy and impractical car, as it still had VW brakes  :o But a lot of fun at the drag strip.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on August 14, 2017, 09:46:33 PM
Oh boy.


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Post by: POSTON WIDEHEAD on August 14, 2017, 10:06:22 PM
   



                                                    ADVIL




Take 2 and call me in the morning.
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Post by: grouch on August 14, 2017, 10:23:47 PM
I'm just gonna leave this laying around here...

3/8 x 100 ft split loom (https://www.amazon.com/Install-Bay-Split-Loom-Inch100/dp/B00542XWXG)

even walmart has it (https://www.walmart.com/ip/Install-Bay-Split-Loom-Tube-3-8-Inch100-Foot-Roll-SLT38/139301727)
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Post by: Jeff on August 15, 2017, 09:06:17 PM
Wiring is starting to come together at least under the hood. Still looks the same in the cab. :)



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Post by: grouch on August 15, 2017, 09:14:32 PM
You can't do that. The red on the wire does not match the red on the firewall. That's just primitive. You'll have to rip it all out and start over.
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Post by: POSTON WIDEHEAD on August 15, 2017, 09:57:43 PM
Looking good......but getting complicated in my book.  :D
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Post by: WDH on August 16, 2017, 07:39:26 AM
Everything is complicated in your book.  It only has a front and back cover, and no pages in between  :D :D :D
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Post by: Raider Bill on August 16, 2017, 08:03:47 AM
Make sure you grommet everything going through metal.
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Post by: paul case on August 16, 2017, 09:52:21 AM
In my family, when doing such endearing work to a vehicle causes it to get a name.

Nellie belle, two ton tony, old blue, bertha and punkin are some that I remember. So has she got a name?

PC
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Post by: Jeff on August 16, 2017, 11:04:57 AM
My Truck is a He, and his name is M.R. Truck. :)   M.R. stands for Mill Rat.
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Post by: loggah on August 16, 2017, 04:30:39 PM
Jeff, Im sure you will be "REAL" happy when the wiring is done!! ;D  and relieved.
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Post by: POSTON WIDEHEAD on August 16, 2017, 06:09:23 PM
Quote from: WDH on August 16, 2017, 07:39:26 AM
Everything is complicated in your book.  It only has a front and back cover, and no pages in between  :D :D :D

Y'all can kiss my Grits. I can Ware anything if I have lots of pictures and Wang Nuts.
:D
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Post by: Shotgun on August 16, 2017, 08:43:35 PM
Jeff is making real head way lights! :D
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Post by: grouch on August 16, 2017, 08:47:41 PM
M.R. Truck ain't any relation to Christine, is he?
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Post by: Don P on August 16, 2017, 08:59:42 PM
Quote from: Jeff on August 16, 2017, 11:04:57 AM
My Truck is a He, and his name is M.R. Truck. :)   M.R. stands for Mill Rat.

Shining  ;D
My folks first car was an old A model with a leaky roof, Dad did a tar and gravel job  and it became "Gravel Gertie".
On the second day after we picked up the motorhome that was to be our travelling log building construction company home, we had an engine fire. We spent 2 days up on blocks in a junkyard in Charlotte pulling wires and playing "watcha reckon that was". There's a special place in my heart for auto electric. It's a mighty small special place  :D
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on August 16, 2017, 09:01:01 PM
Quote from: grouch on August 16, 2017, 08:47:41 PM
M.R. Truck ain't any relation to Christine, is he?

Older more mature cousin.
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Post by: Jeff on August 18, 2017, 05:25:17 PM
I think we found the problem Houston! And the solution.



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Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: grouch on August 18, 2017, 07:18:38 PM
Your critter processor is clogged? Does this mean you'll have to resort to the old fashioned way of skinning 'em with a knife?
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Post by: Peter Drouin on August 18, 2017, 08:36:53 PM
Then the heater core is full too.
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Post by: Jeff on August 18, 2017, 08:38:29 PM
No it's not. It had been bypassed many years ago.
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Post by: Peter Drouin on August 18, 2017, 08:40:38 PM
Good then, less work for you. And you will have heat this winter,  8) 8)
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Post by: Jeff on August 18, 2017, 08:57:05 PM
Just the light switch, dash lights, and lastly the ignition switch left to wire.


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Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on August 19, 2017, 10:07:20 PM
No photographic proof, but I test drove the truck to the other side of the lake to get gas, and most importantly, back home too! It ran cool. Never over 160. It does need a tune up though, but didn't run to awfully bad on the 40 year old tune up it had last!  I was able to drive it because the state sent back my paperwork for my 46 plate.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Magicman on August 19, 2017, 10:20:28 PM
Now that is good news to write about....well in fact you did.  Happy times ahead.   8)
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Post by: thecfarm on August 20, 2017, 07:19:30 AM
There,cooling problem solved.  :)
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Post by: Roxie on August 20, 2017, 07:32:19 AM
 8)

I really cannot tell you how much Cowboy Bob and I have enjoyed living this restoration, vicariously.   move_it
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: coxy on August 20, 2017, 03:09:35 PM
jeff are you doing the radiator cleaning your self if so we always used a straight metal stick like an oil dip stick or a tranny dip stick if it fit in the core hole maybe different than a big truck radiator but I'm shur you get what I'm saying  :)
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on August 21, 2017, 06:04:16 PM
 

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Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Magicman on August 21, 2017, 09:49:03 PM
 smiley_thumbsup
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Delawhere Jack on August 21, 2017, 10:31:51 PM
Real gauges instead of idiot lights...  ;)
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Post by: Roxie on August 22, 2017, 06:37:10 AM
That is just so awesome!
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Post by: paul case on August 22, 2017, 07:54:55 AM
MR Truck is coming along real nice. Top notch work there Boss.

PC
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: grouch on August 22, 2017, 10:20:05 AM
That interior is far too clean and now you've ruined M.R. Truck's chances at being a Ninja Stealth Log Truck. Everybody knows you have to use red lights so you don't ruin night vision.

Seriously, it's looking good. I don't see any cracks or wrinkles in those numbers. That's amazing for its age.

Is the speedometer needle missing? When the one on my '80 Dodge truck melted, I made one out of some thin aluminum and put a crease down the middle to keep the flimsy stuff rigid. Might be hillbilly, but the sucker still works.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on August 22, 2017, 11:54:41 AM
Quote from: grouch on August 22, 2017, 10:20:05 AM


Is the speedometer needle missing? When the one on my '80 Dodge truck melted, I made one out of some thin aluminum and put a crease down the middle to keep the flimsy stuff rigid. Might be hillbilly, but the sucker still works.

It is. haven't got to that yet.   :)
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on August 22, 2017, 03:36:46 PM
Next challenge. Rebuilding the speedometer gauge. Actually, the hard part was getting it out. I ain't t no contortionist!



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Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: grouch on August 22, 2017, 04:06:56 PM
If that's your forehead near the glare of the flash, I don't know how you got to that upper fastener (nut on a stud?) holding the speedometer in.

It's still amazing how little rust there is. Things around here can rust that much in a week of condensation.

Time to 'fess up; you dug that truck out of a glacier somewhere, or a sand dune in Death Valley.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on August 22, 2017, 05:08:04 PM
Hah! That must be my forehead. I was taking the photo to figure out how the thing was held in there. I'm telling ya, it was a beast getting it out. Thank goodness for bluecreeper, it should go together easier.  Bonus of having that big open hole, I could get to the gas gauge. That had been giving me fits trying to make it work. Today, it now works!  I have to wait for a small plastic disc to arrive to put in my speedometer.  It's the center disc that had a metal rim with attached pointer. The early plastics were prone to shrinkage over time, and that's what happened. It shrunk and the pointer ring fell off.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: grouch on August 23, 2017, 05:38:36 AM
Excellent! It always bugs me to have to guesstimate the fuel level in a vehicle. One less worry when you have a working gas gauge.

The only instrument panel I've worked on that looks to be as cramped to get to as your truck is on my '68 Amazon. Nothing comes out from the front. My other Volvos and even my '80 truck have panels and subassemblies that come out to allow access to the back. The '49 Olds has a dash similar to your truck, but you can remove the seat and just lay down in the floorboard and see almost everything back there.

The best one I've worked on was my wife's '88 VW Fox. It needed a heater core and I dreaded working on it. The Bentley service manual had 1 paragraph describing replacement, but the second step referenced another part of the manual for removing the instrument cluster and panel. It meant removing the entire dash.

She was going to pick up the new one and would be gone for 1.5 to 2 hours. I sat and stared at the manual for a while and had some more coffee, then decided it just had to be done. In 30 minutes the entire dash was out on the ground. Ten to fifteen minutes later I had the heater core out. I just sat and marvelled at it until she got back with the replacement. Everything went back together easier than it came apart.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on August 23, 2017, 10:23:31 PM
I took a pretty good ride in M.R. Truck today after struggling to make it run after changing plugs and wires. Turns out at some point someone had put the distributor in wrong and I was trying to put the wires in right. Finally got that sorted out. The ride revealed I need a tail pipe!  The exhaust coming up from under the cab is not good!
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: kensfarm on August 24, 2017, 12:14:56 AM
Did the truck use to have a radiator/fan shroud?  I like how it sits down low.. just looks so cool.. everybody is going to want you to take them for a ride.  I like your Stihl sign too. 
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on August 25, 2017, 09:03:33 PM
M.R. Truck made his first real public appearance today with the historic old 27 tour group as they made a stop I Harrison for a few hours today. He drew a lot of attention.


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http://www.old27tour.com/
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Magicman on August 25, 2017, 09:15:17 PM
M.R. Truck is now famous and looked right at home with the other vehicles.   
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: thecfarm on August 26, 2017, 01:16:19 PM
I do hope you enjoyed yourself too.  ;D  It's fun to talk old trucks. Kinda the same as talking sawing and logging.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: grouch on August 26, 2017, 02:20:02 PM
M.R. Truck does seem to fit well in that crowd. Why are people clustering around it? :)

Anybody else notice how easy it is to distinguish some of the old cars from just a glimpse of a part? Only way I can tell most apart now is by seeing a name or logo. Must be approaching middle age or something.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on August 26, 2017, 03:43:48 PM
I made this up from a chunk of redwood to sit on the back.


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Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: coxy on August 26, 2017, 06:47:01 PM
i like how you did the sign for the running boards     how did you know how old the tree was     
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on August 26, 2017, 08:22:08 PM
The history of the log had followed it. There was a large plaque with the log when we sawed it up in 2007
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Post by: rjwoelk on August 27, 2017, 12:14:19 AM
If that tree could talk what a tale it could tell. Put to excelent use.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Banjo picker on August 28, 2017, 03:49:19 PM
Thats super cool Jeff.  Banjo
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on September 02, 2017, 08:30:34 PM
Big ad venture for Mr. Truck today. An 80 mile round trip, and he brought home a souvenir. We had endless people asking questions and looking and taking pictures and posing with the truck for pictures. That never happened ever with the tbird.


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Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: grouch on September 02, 2017, 08:35:08 PM
You gonna wear M.R. Truck out before you get the logo on it!

Look like you were having fun.
:)
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: thecfarm on September 02, 2017, 08:43:47 PM
souvenir?? I think an award?  ;D   8)
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Magicman on September 02, 2017, 09:50:49 PM
Well, we need a closeup of either the plaque or your smile.   :)
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on September 02, 2017, 10:06:24 PM
The award was for being one of the top 65 cars out of 209. They announced they were being given in random order and not revealing where any one finished in the voting. I think anywhere in that 65 out of 209 very nice cars was a pretty cool thing to happen. The plaque sponsor was pretty fitting as well. I'm pretty proud of my truck. :)


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Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Magicman on September 02, 2017, 10:17:49 PM
Hey, that is running with the big dogs and keeping some mighty fine company.  Congratulations!   smiley_thumbsup
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: loggah on September 03, 2017, 07:01:34 AM
Jeff ,Good for you!! MR.Truck alive and well winning awards !!!! ;D ;DI got a award or two with the Lombard years ago, they couldn't figure out what to give it ,so they decided the truck with the largest motor would be it (1090 c.i.)
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: thecfarm on September 03, 2017, 07:34:14 AM
Like the sponsor.  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on September 03, 2017, 08:54:55 AM
The truck ran very well on this first trip. Good oil pressure, good temp, and it pulls itself very well in the hills without any down shifts needed. It will run 50 mile an hour with out effort.

I do have an issue. I'm going to have to replace the right front king pin. I have some wheel shake there.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Dave Shepard on September 03, 2017, 12:32:46 PM
Wheel shake is just part of the old truck experience  :D
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on September 03, 2017, 12:53:36 PM
I noticed the play in that wheel when redoing the brakes and knew it was going to be an issue at some point. Not sure I have the ability to do it here without torches or a press.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: grouch on September 03, 2017, 01:17:23 PM
If I was a Smith Lumber Co. representative at that event, M.R. Truck would've gotten that plaque *or else*: "I don't care how many hotrods you have out there with small block 350 Chevy engines crammed in 'em. There's a '46 log truck came in under it's own power, has a sawmill blade for headache rack, and a bumper, running boards and bed from a 1,635 year old redwood tree! It WILL be awarded or we're finding another event to sponsor!"
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on September 03, 2017, 01:48:14 PM
I'm thinking the assignment was random, and coincidental.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: coxy on September 03, 2017, 02:04:08 PM
they shouldn't be to bad to do we cut 2 slices in the old ones with a saws all to get them out and if I remember I think my dad used a oak 4x4 to pound them in or used it to jack them in cant remember  I also think he had to ream the hole a little to clean them up  I also remember him pounding the old cut nails in one to tighten it up to get it inspected  :o :D
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: grouch on September 03, 2017, 03:57:34 PM
Quote from: Jeff on September 03, 2017, 01:48:14 PM
I'm thinking the assignment was random, and coincidental.

Well, you were there and I was not. I'd be willing to bet that that (Tom) truck stood out in the crowd enough so that it wasn't random or coincidental, but rather merit.
Just how many trucks of that vintage did you see there and under their own power (not trailer queens)? And with original engine? And then add in the bumper, running boards and that monster slab bed? It would stand out in the typical car shows I've seen, at least. (Yeah, I admit that's not a big statistical universe).
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on September 03, 2017, 04:06:09 PM
There were a few older trucks than mine, but none were original power or drive train.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on September 09, 2017, 06:18:13 PM
Mr. Truck and Hoopty had a good day today. Tammy drove Hoopty and it won its first award with a chick at the helm. A nice cup memorial choice award.
Mr. Truck received a very nice Trophy. Ladies Choice award. Tammy was quick to let me know, that was for the truck, not for me.


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Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on September 09, 2017, 06:22:23 PM
 

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Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: coxy on September 09, 2017, 07:34:21 PM
 you have to take Mr truck to get hoopty a prize  ;) ;D
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Post by: thecfarm on September 09, 2017, 08:19:22 PM
I suppose you all ready have a nice wooden shelf to put all the awards on. Better make it a big one.
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Post by: Magicman on September 09, 2017, 08:57:34 PM
I count Four very deserving Winners!!   smiley_thumbsup
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on September 10, 2017, 12:15:07 PM
Yesterday I had someone tell me that Mr. Truck had made one of the local papers, and was still on the on-line version, so, I came home and looked it up, and there he was!

9-1-17 Harrison US-27 Car Tour 2017DSC_5234 | The Clare County Review (http://www.clarecountyreview.com/news/car-enthusiasts-enjoy-old-27-tour-street-fair-in-clare-harrison/attachment/9-1-17-harrison-us-27-car-tour-2017dsc_5234/)



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Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: loggah on September 10, 2017, 01:38:09 PM
 ;D you are in the local limelight now  ;D!!!! hopefully you have a newspaper that gets its facts right !
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Post by: Roxie on September 10, 2017, 01:42:48 PM
When I followed the link, there was a picture of the back of MR Truck, with a fella taking a picture of your plaque.   8)
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: POSTON WIDEHEAD on September 10, 2017, 03:01:21 PM
Mr Truck represents life......ya gotta be old before you start receiving attention.  ;D

Way to go Jeff.  ;)
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Post by: grouch on September 10, 2017, 04:25:27 PM
I like the one with the guy taking a picture of the plaque. Shows off the bed.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on September 10, 2017, 06:10:26 PM
 

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Post by: Roxie on September 10, 2017, 06:12:00 PM
Yes, that's the one.   :)
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on September 10, 2017, 06:14:12 PM
The person that told me about the truck being in the paper, turned out to be the photographer for the paper. He was at this show, and took a whole bunch more of the truck.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: grouch on September 10, 2017, 06:59:44 PM
Quote from: Jeff on September 10, 2017, 06:14:12 PM
The person that told me about the truck being in the paper, turned out to be the photographer for the paper. He was at this show, and took a whole bunch more of the truck.

He did a good job -- framing, lighting, angles, everything gives you the feel of being there. (And no 'rat face' effect from too wide a lens at too close a distance).

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Post by: newoodguy78 on September 10, 2017, 10:01:02 PM
I noticed the truck has an old looking license plate on it. Is that some sort of antique plate that Michigan issues? Great job on the truck
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on September 11, 2017, 07:59:47 AM
It's a 46 plate we found. Michigan allows for a year of origin plate. It costs $35 to register it for the lifetime of the truck, or until you are no longer the owner.  There are loosely interpreted restrictions on how you can use the vehicle, but it's worth it for the savings. Insurance is much much lower as well if you have that plate.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Dave Shepard on September 11, 2017, 12:41:42 PM
MA has a deal like that. You can drive on the fifth Sunday in February every other leap year.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on September 11, 2017, 02:11:24 PM
In Michigan you can go to meets, parades, car shows, places to exhibit, drive for maintenance purposes, and all of august is anything you wish. 
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on September 11, 2017, 02:13:30 PM
Authentic license plate A special provision in law allows a historical vehicle owner to use an authentic Michigan license plate from the same year the historical vehicle was manufactured.  The plate can be obtained through a private sale or any other means available.
Reproduction and remanufactured plates as well as authentic dealer and manufacturer plates are not allowed. The plate must display the correct colors for the year of issuance.
Blue plates with white letters were issued from 1984 to through 2006.  These may be used as an authentic historic plate if the plate displays an authentic Michigan year tab corresponding to the model year of the historic vehicle. (Because 1984 blue plates were issued without a year tab, applications for 1984 model year historic vehicles do not require a year tab).
To qualify for an authentic license plate, the vehicle must be:
Fee:  $35 -- Make checks and money orders payable to State of Michigan. Authentic license plate applications must be submitted by mail.  Applications cannot be processed at a Secretary of State office.
Applying for an authentic historic plate
Owners need the following items:
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on September 11, 2017, 07:09:14 PM
 

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Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: paul case on September 11, 2017, 08:53:31 PM
I Wish I could get a deal on plates for my 47 chev pickup like that. It is usually $22.50 per year just for the tag except this year everyone in Oklahoma gets a new plate which is another ten bucks. I asked the tag agent local to me about antique tags and they are always too busy or just plain tell me ''no''.

The insurance for only liability would cost over $100 a year, for a truck that hasn't left the barn in 2 years and that was only for the kid's wedding pictures. :-[

PC
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: grouch on September 11, 2017, 09:21:01 PM
paul case,

Looks like they don't want to cut you much of a break for antiques.

Oklahoma Special Interest Plates (https://www.ok.gov/tax/Individuals/Motor_Vehicle/Forms_&_Publications/Specialty_Plate_Forms/Special_Interest__Plates.html)

That lists $23.50 for 1 year or $90.50 for 10 years.

Application For A Classic Vehicle License Plate (PDF form) (http://www.ok.gov/tax/documents/763.pdf)

Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Banjo picker on September 12, 2017, 08:12:51 PM
I don't know about a special year tag like Jeff has for MR Truck, but here in Mississippi when your vehicle gets 25 years old you can buy a one time antique tag for it, and I see people driving them everywhere; dont know if they are legal or not.  They still do it.  Banjo
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Magicman on September 12, 2017, 08:51:50 PM
Tim, to my knowledge there are no driving restrictions whatsoever.  You buy the one time antique tag and then drive it forever.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: POSTON WIDEHEAD on September 12, 2017, 10:27:14 PM
Quote from: Magicman on September 12, 2017, 08:51:50 PM
Tim, to my knowledge there are no driving restrictions whatsoever.  You buy the one time antique tag and then drive it forever.

You should know Magic.  ;D
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Magicman on September 13, 2017, 07:46:28 AM
Who you callin' antique dere Willie??   ???
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Banjo picker on September 13, 2017, 10:26:43 AM
Mississippi gets their money up front when you buy a new car I guess.  Banjo
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on September 17, 2017, 05:15:33 PM
We went to Mid Michigan Community College's annual fund raiser picnic and car show today. Mr. Truck received a nice award. This was his last outing for the year. He needs to get his kingpins rebuilt before he has anymore adventures!


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The award was a tire clock that has wrenches for hands.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Ron Scott on September 17, 2017, 05:22:47 PM
Nice!
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Post by: Magicman on September 17, 2017, 05:32:16 PM
Close up and category?
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Post by: Jeff on September 17, 2017, 05:51:40 PM
There were top twenty plaques and then there was ten categories awards. Best Car, Best Truck, Best engine, best interior, best paint, Under construction, Kids choice, Veterans car, Alumni car and "show stopper"  You needed to dress to fit your cars year or personality for that one.  The truck won first place in Under Construction. I think they wanted to give it an award and they didn't know which one to put it. Little did they know that MR. Truck is pretty much finished!  :D :D Pretty cool award, the only one there like it. The rest were all plaques of some sort or another. This one was a tire clock, and it has wrenches for hands.



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Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: sandhills on September 18, 2017, 01:06:24 AM
Good for you guys!  You just gave me a really good idea in the process of winning that, just this afternoon I was trying to get an old wooden spoke wheel off a running gear, never noticed in the last 12 years I owned the place it was actually still all intact, wasn't sure what I was going to do with it but wanted it.  Only thing was I was in kind of a hurry and as I would've done they bent a nail in the castle nut that I couldn't get out but I know where it lives so to speak  ;).
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Post by: PA_Walnut on September 18, 2017, 07:32:16 AM
That paint job is PERFECT!! Love it!  8)
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Hilltop366 on September 18, 2017, 08:10:02 AM
Good for you!

By the way these car guys know better, there always "under construction".
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Magicman on September 18, 2017, 08:33:11 AM
Yup, I love the "Under Construction" moniker for the M.R. Truck.  He ain't petite and sweet but is tough and beefy and earned the title.   smiley_thumbsup

At the next show he will be asking the other contestants; "wanna see my new King Pins" ??   :o   :D
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on February 26, 2018, 06:35:26 PM
As spring approaches I'm thi king about Mr. Truck. I'm designing some step plates to help protest his wood running boards. What do yoozguys thing of this?

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The powered by part would use a stencil font because of the holey letters.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Magicman on February 26, 2018, 06:45:04 PM
 smiley_thumbsup  That also takes care of the questions regarding "door stenciling".
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Peter Drouin on February 26, 2018, 06:54:23 PM
Is it going to made out of metal or plastic?
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on February 26, 2018, 07:02:31 PM
Metal. Diamond plate.  Here is another version. Black on top.
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Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Dave Shepard on February 26, 2018, 07:08:19 PM
I like the black version. It matches the truck better and looks clearer. The diamond tread plate is a bit flashy for Mr. Truck.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Hilltop366 on February 26, 2018, 07:12:51 PM
Second one (black) for me.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on February 26, 2018, 07:13:46 PM
How about black diamond plate?

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Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Peter Drouin on February 26, 2018, 07:18:23 PM
I like the plane black, The black diamond is too busy looking.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Dave Shepard on February 26, 2018, 07:19:37 PM
I like the black iamond plate, also. 
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on February 26, 2018, 07:22:10 PM
The diamond plate would be anodized I think. Working with Tamiam and Kevin on this.  Diamond plate so it ain't slick.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Hilltop366 on February 26, 2018, 07:23:07 PM
To me the black should not be shinier than the truck so the first black one is more pleasing to my eye, if the black checker plate was a little duller it would be almost as good. :D
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on February 26, 2018, 07:32:59 PM
How about this one?
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/golddiamond.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1519691570)
 
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Post by: isawlogs on February 26, 2018, 07:44:23 PM
, I like the black diamond plate, flat black.. ;)   :)
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Post by: Don P on February 26, 2018, 07:52:25 PM
Not sure what would happen, what if you pick up some of the red from the body... maybe in the strips, dunno?
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Post by: 21incher on February 26, 2018, 07:55:33 PM
I like the black, but wonder how it would look if the lettering was just the outline shadows using the Forestry Forum font. Those sharp corners on the back look out of place with all the sexy curves on the truck to me :o . Or you could cut everything out and let the beautifull wood grain show through. :)
Just throwing some ideas out.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on February 26, 2018, 07:57:56 PM
The idea is to protect the wood. If I left it cut out, water, dirst and grime would get in there all the time and you wouldn't get it out.

How about this? Mr. Truck's colors?

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/red-black-diamond.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1519693068)
 
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on February 26, 2018, 08:03:17 PM
I missed your suggestion @Don P (http://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=17) I think you nailed it!
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Post by: Magicman on February 26, 2018, 08:06:29 PM
We scrolled up and looked at the whole truck e/w red wheels as well as the burnished red showing through the black. 

"She" said black diamond plate with the red.  I agree.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on February 26, 2018, 08:27:26 PM
Color adjustment. Yes, this is it.
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/red-black-diamond~0.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1519694837)
 
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Post by: Peter Drouin on February 26, 2018, 08:53:32 PM
That one looks good with the red same as the truck.
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Post by: Magicman on February 26, 2018, 09:26:09 PM
Yup, you nailed it.  smiley_thumbsup
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Post by: Roxie on February 27, 2018, 05:42:12 AM
Quote from: Don P on February 26, 2018, 07:52:25 PM
Not sure what would happen, what if you pick up some of the red from the body... maybe in the strips, dunno?
I'm with him. 
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Post by: WDH on February 27, 2018, 07:21:47 AM
I have about had it with nails :). 
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Post by: stumpy on February 27, 2018, 07:42:04 AM
Definitely the Black diamond plate with red(the last pic)
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Post by: Hilltop366 on February 27, 2018, 08:08:43 AM
That last one looks fine.
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Post by: paul case on February 27, 2018, 09:55:02 AM
I like all the step plates you have shown.

When you first posted about it you said they were to protest the wood running boards and I got ticked. who is protesting that I think the wood running boards are awesome!

PC
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Post by: WDH on February 27, 2018, 04:16:12 PM
I would not protest those running boards.
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Post by: Brad_bb on March 22, 2018, 01:08:22 PM
Great thread.  Can't believe I never saw it until now!

As for the running boards step plates, I would definitely prefer a more vintage look like this

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/16191/rb.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1521738409)
 

I think the M.R. Truck font and straight lines are too modern.  What about an old script font for M.R. Truck?  What does old Dodge brothers script look like?
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Post by: Jeff on March 22, 2018, 01:59:58 PM
Dodge didn't use a script like that back then. They were block letters. Like what is on the hood.
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/hood.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1521741584)
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Post by: Brad_bb on March 23, 2018, 12:01:05 AM
It's your truck and you should do what you like.  I'm just making suggestions.  I'm talking about an older dodge script like this

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/16191/DB.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1521777571)
 
You can add that to the center of the diamond cut running board that I show above, or more complicated but equally cool,

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/16191/dodge-bros-small.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1521777571)
 
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Don P on March 23, 2018, 08:43:37 AM
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10017/dodgebros_001.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1500259770)
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Post by: Don P on March 23, 2018, 08:56:00 AM
I had to look back, I thought I'd posted that emblem, it was back on pg 27. That script emblem is from very early I believe. My wings are from a '35 by then they were block letters. I guess they earned
the title stodgie dodgie. Henry Ford was kind of an amateur Egyptologist back in the day and an early logo was the scarab beetle, until someone told him the common name, dung beetle, he went to the script logo pretty much immediately  (https://forestryforum.com/board/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) . There was another story about DB pulling that star but I can't bring it to mind.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on March 25, 2018, 06:35:58 PM
Nice day today above freezing, so I started to get busy on Mr. Truck's King Pin job. Front axle is out and I am done after all that crawling around in a cold cement floor.
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/20180325_182544.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1522017339)
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Post by: samandothers on March 25, 2018, 07:35:54 PM
Ah but done with a sense of accomplishment!  Good job.  Now time for vitamin I.
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Post by: Jeff on March 25, 2018, 09:18:57 PM
I'm going to take it to a shop tomorrow to get the old pins out and put the new ones in as it will need to be line bored and I don't have the ability to do that.
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Post by: Ljohnsaw on March 25, 2018, 10:03:44 PM
Please educate me.  Line boring, to me, means making sure all the bearings are in the same plane, like in an engine block.  What needs to be line bored on your axle?
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on March 25, 2018, 10:09:13 PM
Once the new bushings are pressed in place they need to be line bored to align the top and bottom for the new king pin.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Ljohnsaw on March 25, 2018, 10:16:02 PM
Ah! Thanks.  I was thinking the spindles (horizontal) not the bushings (vertical).
Title: Properly repurposed.
Post by: Jeff on April 12, 2018, 07:49:25 PM
Yesterday I was out fiddling with M.R. Truck. I was noticing the old marred up shift knob wondering if it would come off. I thought I could clean it up. I got a rag for protection and some channel locks for grip and it broke loose and turned off.  I looked it over then sat it on the bench and went in the house.

Fast forward to this morning. I was having trouble with my computer mouse. Tried a new battery, no good. Then I remembered I had another mouse in the bottom drawer of my filing cabinet. I opened the drawer, and there it was. No, not the mouse, but something else that had been given to me several years ago by my cousin who now owns the old farm where my dad was born, and his dad built in 1904.

It was the old antique doorknob off the old farm house. I had not seen it or thought about it since the day it was given to me those years ago, yet there it was, like it was bring handed to me by my dad and my grandad and they were saying, "Here, use this!" So i went out to the barn, cut off the stem, drilled and tapped it, (seems to be porcelain over a lead alloy).

It is now my shifter knob, and you know who I'll be thinking of each time I shift that old truck.
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/20180412_141454.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1523576932)
 
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/20180412_160628.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1523576954)
 

Title: Re: Properly repurposed.
Post by: newoodguy78 on April 12, 2018, 07:55:05 PM
Nice!! It even looks like it belongs there. It's neat to think of all the people that have used that knob
Title: Re: Properly repurposed.
Post by: coxy on April 12, 2018, 08:36:09 PM
looks good and goes with the wood on the doors 
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Post by: Magicman on April 12, 2018, 09:20:09 PM
I like it.  Matter of face, I "rally" like it.   ;D
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Post by: POSTON WIDEHEAD on April 12, 2018, 09:23:01 PM
I like the Knob but I love the door panels better.   :)
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Post by: mike_belben on April 12, 2018, 11:40:55 PM
Good stuff.  Honor thy father.
Title: Re: Properly repurposed.
Post by: ToddsPoint on April 13, 2018, 05:01:00 AM
I have a couple of those but the shaft is still sticking out and rusty.  I never tried to rework one.  I might now but I don't have an old truck to put it on!  Gary
Title: Re: Properly repurposed.
Post by: sprucebunny on April 13, 2018, 06:22:34 AM
That's cool  8)

I need to put threads on the gear shift lever of my plow truck. When I get the least bit excited the knob comes off.
Title: Re: Properly repurposed.
Post by: terrifictimbersllc on April 14, 2018, 03:45:18 AM
Someday someone is going to be scratching his head over what year they started using that kind of knob on the truck.  :P
Title: Re: Properly repurposed.
Post by: PA_Walnut on April 14, 2018, 05:41:38 AM
With that awesome exterior paint-history look, no one will even notice that shifter.
Love that paint job! :o
Title: Re: Properly repurposed.
Post by: petefrom bearswamp on April 14, 2018, 08:15:15 AM
Great looking knob.
What a serendipitous find.
Especially with the family history attached
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: WDH on April 16, 2018, 08:42:25 PM
Watch out, Pete.  Before you know it, you will be accused of using big words :). 
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Post by: samandothers on April 17, 2018, 10:39:19 AM
What a great repurposed use and something to make you smile as you are driving!  Great idea.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: petefrom bearswamp on April 18, 2018, 11:23:09 AM
Aw geez Danny.
maybe I can start a big word club to go with the wide board club.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on June 09, 2018, 07:18:11 PM
M.R. Truck is on a roll!

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/20180609_133348.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1528586223)
 
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/20180609_150035.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1528586251)
 
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/20180609_163901.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1528586273)
 
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Post by: Roxie on June 09, 2018, 07:27:45 PM
A trophy!  8)
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Post by: thecfarm on June 09, 2018, 10:26:18 PM
Ok,what did he win? Best of show? Best truck? Best use of a Craftman's lawnmower :D
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: POSTON WIDEHEAD on June 11, 2018, 06:50:09 AM
Poor Hoopty has been kicked to the curb.  :'(
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on June 11, 2018, 06:52:13 AM
Hoopty was right there with Mr. Truck. Stacy drove the bird.
Title: Re: Taking Delivery
Post by: Jeff on June 16, 2018, 07:31:55 PM
Today in Lake George Michigan. (20 minutes away) Best Ratrod.


(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/21392.jpeg?easyrotate_cache=1529191856)
 
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/20180616_192613.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1529191882)
 
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Post by: samandothers on June 16, 2018, 08:06:03 PM
You and MR Truck are racking up!  It is a compliment on your your time and work.
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Post by: thecfarm on June 16, 2018, 09:24:37 PM
That is good.
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Post by: Magicman on June 16, 2018, 09:53:11 PM
Congrats to M.R. Truck again....again.  :)